02-26 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.

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desired results. The networks got their ratings. The politicians got their
talking points. And if it means innocent people get caught in the middle of the
racial enmity they’ve fomented, obviously it’s considered acceptable collateral
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365 Responses to 02-26 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. brutalhonesty says:

    post pro-gz messages here please before it takes off,. new propaganda video only 52 views….from color of change dot org

  2. ytz4mee says:

    One year ago today, George Zimmerman’s life changed forever.

    Thoughts and prayers to the entire extended Zimmerman family.

    Veritas numquam perit

    • maggiemoowho says:

      I pray for them everyday. God Bless and stay strong.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      I join you ytz4mee, with heartfelt thoughts and prayers, may GOD give you strength and peace in all that comes before you today. There are many who support you, as where you are, could very easily be one of us. Hold tight to your faith. Do not let it falter. Sending big hugs to all!!!

      • arkansasmimi says:


      • jordan2222 says:

        Thanks for this.

      • HughStone says:

        Whenever this videos is posted I am almost sure something is about to happen REAL soon.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          I truly LOVE this video. I was really hoping it would be here for The Zimmerman Family today. It is so much of a calm and inspiring video. I read each verse, and yet, it seems sometimes one will just POP out as important for me at the time for some reason. I had never heard til I saw SD post. LOVE it, and you are correct, thinking back it does seem something does happen. LOL for one today it looks like NBC gave a response… Good to see you HughStone!

    • jello333 says:


      Over most of the past year, only my immediate family and closest friends have been more in my thoughts than you have. I’m sorry it took me until mid April to realize what you were being put through, but I’m thankful I finally got involved. Most of my spare time has been learning as much as I can about this, and doing whatever I can (mostly just through words of encouragement) to help you guys out. I don’t regret a minute of it.

      Hang in there, guys!… and just realize how many people out here care about you.

    • jordan2222 says:


  3. brutalhonesty says:


    Going (69)
    Maybe (31)
    Invited (1,298)
    Tuesday, February 26, 2013
    5:00pm in EST

    Tuesday, February 26, 2013 marks one year since the tragic and senseless murder of Trayvon Martin. Weeks after his death thousands of students and civil rights groups convened on the Georgia State Capitol and called for the arrest of his murderer George Zimmerman and an amendment to the “Stand Your Ground” law. Students, civil rights groups, and gun safety organizations will return once more to seek justice for Trayvon and stop gun violence in Georgia

    Gun violence survivors, students, civil rights groups, clergy, and legislators will unite in this symbolic event to show the world that we still expect justice to be delivered, and law makers to pass common sense gun safety legislation.

    “Remember & Act” is also a time to shape the gun policies in our state and the nation. We demand that our legislators close the loopholes that allow criminals easy access to guns. As major advances in gun violence prevention and safety are on the rise, a lack of action will leave a host of problems in its wake.

    Organizers of this local event are encouraging everyone to convene on the steps of the Georgia State Capitol at 5PM in a rally to show their support for protecting our right to life, our families, and our friends. The event is a collaborative effort of iCAN (InterCollegiate Action Network) and State Senator Vincent Fort (39th), and sponsored by the National Coalition of Black Civic Participation.

    How you can effect change:
    1. By proclaiming February 26 as a day of action for Trayvon Martin and gun violence prevention and safety
    2. By confirming your attendance at http://tinyurl.com/JusticeReturnsGA
    3. By joining our efforts through sponsoring a bus for students, providing an official to act as spokesperson, and/or rallying volunteers to participate in the event
    4. By discussing gun violence prevention and safety in your services during the week prior
    5. By providing your support through texting JUSTICETM to 50555 to donate $10.00 to The Miami Foundation to benefit the Trayvon Martin Foundation
    6. By making your members/email group aware of this event (details enclosed)
    7. Following @iCANhq on Twitter and liking www/facebook.com/iCANhq and http://www.facebook.com/SenatorVincentFort

    For more information on how we can all work together to promote justice and raise awareness of gun issues, please contact us at (678) 608-0401 or email iCANhq@gmail.com. ). The best way to honor the memory of Trayvon, Jordan Davis, the victims of Newtown , Aurora, Chicago and the hundreds of people who are shot and killed right here in Georgia each year, is to make sure it does not happen again.

    Thank you for your consideration and we look forward to seeing you on the 26th.

    • Sharon says:

      Why are we advertising for the trayvon martin trash can parade when we just had two lovely comments posted to encourage Mr. Zimmerman. Sometimes I just can’t keep up with the reasoning. I have “How Great Is Our God” playing at full volume—maybe if I just turn it up a little louder……

    • jordan2 says:

      I do not understand the purpose of your post?:

      • brutalhonesty says:

        1 only 60 going of thousands invited
        2 you dont care to find out what lies they tell there?
        3 you dont take issue with “Trayvon, Jordan Davis, the victims of Newtown , Aurora, Chicago and the hundreds of people who are shot and killed right here in Georgia each year, is to make sure it does not happen again.”???????
        4 and that they are having the wrong conversation
        5 and you have no interest in correcting them on their own page?

        • jordan2222 says:

          I did not say any of that but you did not explain the purpose of the post. Without an explanation, it clearly looks like an ad as Sharon indicated. I only know better because I know you are regular here.

      • libby says:

        I get it.
        They have the temerity to pretend trayvon was as much of a victim as real victims of gun violence (like those in newtown, CT).
        It is also nice to have the phone number so we can call and tell them how insulting (and I like the other ideas also, though I felt much like Jordan at first) they are to trayvon’s memory as an aspiring thug

        • libby says:

          Call the number and remind them that teens should refrain from playing the knockout game (it is bad for their health sometimes if they knockout the wrong guy as trayvon did)

  4. diwataman says:

    Here is my theory as to what I think happened with Witness #8. It really starts with one of Trayvon’s friends tweets made on March 22, 2012.

    The date is important because this is two days after the Crump presser where he revealed Witness #8 to the world and there was considerable news coverage talking about her and playing some of the short clips provided by Crump of her interview with him.

    It seems to me Mr. Stephen B knows one thing for certain; that the girl Trayvon was seeing didn’t know he was dead until a week after the fact. It is this reason Stephen B gives as to why the girl being reported must be a different girl Trayvon is seeing at the same time he is seeing the girl they know. Notice here he is not saying that the girl being reported is not Trayvon’s girlfriend because it doesn’t sound like her. No, he saying it’s not her because he is assuming the girl being reported knew Trayvon was shot and killed whereas the girl they know he was with didn’t.

    I think Witness #8 is the girl Stephen B knows as the girl Trayvon was with and he wrongly believed the girl he was with didn’t know Trayvon had been shot and killed until a week after the fact. He wrongly assumed there were two different girls based on this.

    How is it that Trayvon’s girlfriend didn’t know Trayvon had been shot and killed until a week after the fact? And how does Stephen B know this?

    The way I think he knows this is from what happened at Trayvon’s viewing held on March 2, 2012.

    Witness #8 went to the viewing and while there became so physically upset that she had to be taken to the hospital. The reason given was that she learned at the viewing that she was the last person to talk to Trayvon and it was this information that had made her go to the hospital. But how could this girl after nearly a week not have known she was the last person to talk to Trayvon? She was on the phone with him. She said Trayvon was in physical danger, that she thought she heard a crazy white man push Trayvon and she couldn’t get back in touch with him. It was being tweeted the next afternoon that Trayvon had been shot and killed in a fight.

    Am I to believe Witness #8 couldn’t put it together that the fight she said Trayvon was in the night before was the one he got killed in thereby making it likely that she was the last one to talk to him? That she had to be told this? No, I’m not buying it.

    I think what happened as to why she went to the hospital and why Stephen B thinks she didn’t know about Trayvon being shot and killed until is because she acted the day of and at the viewing like she had just found out. This is why Stephen B thinks the girl he knew Trayvon was with didn’t know about it until a week after. Because she’s acting like she didn’t. She acted so dramatically she even went to the hospital.

    Now why exactly would Witness #8 do this? What reason would she have for pretending like she didn’t know Trayvon had been shot and killed five days before? I contend the reason is because she didn’t want anyone to know she was the last one to talk to Trayvon. She didn’t want anyone to know what she really heard on the phone that night.

    Remember, at this time no one but her knew that she had talked with Trayvon. No one knew until, reportedly, Tracy Martin called her, from looking at the phone bill, on March 18th.
    But why would a concerned girlfriend who just heard this dastardly thing happen to her boyfriend on the phone not immediately try to get him help and make sure he’s okay? Any human being in their right mind would do so but not this girl. Why? Why would she not let anyone know in the days following? Why?

    The only reasonable explanation is because she heard something else other than what she testified to. More than likely she heard Trayvon say he was going to take care of the white guy he thought was following him, that is, go kick his ass. She may have even encouraged Trayvon, her man, to do it.

    After she lost connection with Trayvon and couldn’t get a hold of him right after she figured Trayvon was laying low after taking care of the white guy and so waited until the next day to talk to him to hear the details from Trayvon. Except the next day she didn’t hear the details from Trayvon. She saw the details in tweets like the ones above. She got the most important detail; that Trayvon had been shot and killed.

    My god, the horror in that moment she must have felt starring at the tweets roll in about Trayvon’s death. To know what she encouraged resulted in his death. Fear stricken and riddled with guilt she tells no one. She completely shuts down all communication. For the next few days she acts, to anyone she may encounter, as though nothing has happened and keeps interactions to a minimum. Then on March 2 she puts on her big show and goes to the viewing telling people she had just found out what happened and goes to the hospital because she cannot face all the people knowing the truth. Guilt put this girl in the hospital, not shock.

    Unfortunately for Witness #8, she is not in the clear. She gets the call from Tracy who tells her that he knows she was talking to Trayvon. What does she say? She must be smart enough to realize she can’t lie and say that she wasn’t. Or perhaps she did and Tracy sternly reminds her that he’s looking at the phone bill and that’s how he got her number. So she begins to talk and tell her story. But what does she say?

    Keep in mind here, it has been three weeks between the night of the shooting and the conversation with Tracy. There has been, at this time, a tremendous amount of news coverage and we know the family had more details about that night than the media. The point is, witness #8 had plenty enough time to craft and mold her story from what she has heard, for the past three weeks, from family, friends and the media.

    It is possible that Crump et al. doesn’t even know though it’s also possible they helped her craft her story upon learning the truth from her. Also keep in mind here I’m not talking about any 2dd hypothesis. I’m merely trying to explain what I believe what went on with Witness #8 as a singular person.

    • jordan2222 says:

      Wow.. double wow. You obviously put a lot of thought into this, Dman. I would need to think about this as much as you have before commenting but, after my first read, this seems possible.

      However, this also means that DeeDee is real and that she was actually on the phone with Trayvon. Others here do not believe that.

      I am about to give up on figuring this out. It has gotten too complex for my tired little brain. Everyone appears to have a different theory but Sundance seems very sure of himself so my inclination is to go with him until we have concrete proof.

      • ftsk420 says:

        I believe she is real and I also believe she was on the phone with him but I believe she was texting with him not talking. I don’t really text a lot but I know if I keep dropping calls I can probably send a text for some reason they seem to send when it’s hard to get a good signal for a phone convo. I agree with D-man I think she knew everything that happen between Trayvon and George I believe she is the cause of it.

    • waltherppk says:

      Please point me to the discovery page that references the subpoena of the phone records for W8. We were talking about this before and I recall the state subpoenaed the phone records from 2-26-2012 through some time subsequent. But I need to look at that document again and I can’t recall where it was.

      • John Galt says:

        Phone records for 2/26 to 4/2 from Simple Mobile


        • jello333 says:

          I think Walther is right when he says MOM/West should expand any dates for phone record to include BEFORE 2/26…. so they can see if the locations in the pings/GPS match up with Dee Dee(s?)

          • waltherppk says:

            Yeah with a GPS history it won’t be any mystery what is the likely address for W8 nor any need for anyone to ask her to solve a mystery “where you been stayin’ and how long have you been stayin’ there?” GPS will tell them that and a few other things too, like if she was the probable usual user of that phone on 2-26-2012 or was it somebody else. It will be interesting also to look at an address history for W8 as well as her call contacts and see if those histories and contacts are consistent before 2-26-2012 and after 2-26-2012. It needs to be ruled out any possibility that somebody has played musical chairs with a prepaid cell phone that suddenly became adopted by W8 in a time after 2-26-2012 but was a phone belonging to and used by persons unknown on and before 2-26-2012.

        • waltherppk says:

          Thanks, that’s it. That Excel spreadsheet would be the ping logs and GPS and call times accurate to the second. It seems odd, almost deliberately “not looking” that an expanded time frame like from the beginning of February would not be requested for a prepaid “anonymous user” phone. It seems like the police were almost afraid to look further because of what they might find.

    • John Galt says:

      Then why the need to hide her address from defense counsel in clear violation of law and discovery rules? I think they need to hide her address because it doesn’t match the ping logs.
      Why the BS about Crump doesn’t know her name or age or address at the time of the interview?
      Why doesn’t Crump do a face to face interview?
      Why is she hidden from cops until April 2?
      Why did she age from 16 to 18 between March 19 and April 2?
      Why does Ronquavis have a formal meeting with her at the funeral? He didn’t tell Nancy Grace that he didn’t know she had talked to Trayvon when he met her.
      Why does Natalie Jackson say they hired a PI?
      I don’t buy that Tracy didn’t check the online phone records until March 18 when the cops asked him for the phone pin on March 5. And the phone billing cycle shown on the online records is inconsistent with Tracy receiving a bill on or about March 18.

      • waltherppk says:

        You already know where I am going with this. :D

      • diwataman says:

        1) Sure, that would certainly do away with my theory but of course we don’t know that, yet.
        2) I don’t see how that effects what I’ve said.
        3) Same as #2
        4) Until I know why the state didn’t interview her until April 2 I can’t say how it would effect what I’ve said.
        5) A simple explanation was that Crump lied in an attempt to keep the media away, that’s certainly what he expressed in the presser on the 20th where he revealed her and kept stressing that she’s a minor child.
        6) Ronquavis’ answer is odd, when asked if he had an opportunity to talk to her he replies with “No not personally just like, just a meet, just a formal meeting.” I have no idea what to make of that. However him saying that he doesn’t know her and met her at the funeral is something that could effect my theory but I’m going with Stephen B over Ronquavis, I wonder how well Ronquavis even knew Travon.
        7) I have no idea why or how it would effect what I’ve said here.
        8) That’s fine that you don’t buy that but I don’t think him contacting her all that much earlier would effect the core of what I’m saying here. The phone record printout looks legit to me. I have long ago printed out the same type of bill I just never got around to blogging it. But again I’m not sure exactly what you are saying that would effect what I’m saying.

        • waltherppk says:

          April 2, 2012 was a busy day for the State. At 10 minutes past noon FDLE special agent Wes Mullins in Orlando receives subpoena compliance for the phone records of W8 with Excel spreadsheets (ping logs) for the anonymous user prepaid phone of W8 beginning with the records date of 2-26-2012. And there is a non-disclosure for records pertaining to a juvenile flag on that document.

          An SAS Investigative Division “memorandum” for later that same day (page 36 and page 37 of 283) shows circumstances of the BDLR interview of W8, about 7 hours after the phone records of W8 are delivered to the FDLE. But there is no non-disclosure “juvenile flag” on these documents. O’Steen and BDLR are in Miami hours later on the same day as FDLE has the ping logs for the phone of W8.

          There is no report of FDLE forwarding the subpoena compliance information to BDLR that same day as was the interview of W8 done. I am curious about the coincidental timing of the subpoena compliance phone records to FDLE about 7 hours before BDLR interviews the W8 for whom those phone records had just been delivered by e-mail from the service provider to FDLE in Orlando. Was BDLR copied on that subpoena compliance before his interview with W8, or did BDLR speak by phone with FDLE Orlando and have any significant information about the phone records which could cause BDLR to be skeptical and patronizing in his questioning of W8 ?

          On April 2, 2012 did the right hand know what the left was doing WRT the SA investigators trip to Miami, and the phone records received in Orlando by FDLE ?

        • recoverydotgod says:

          “attempt to keep the media away” and/or generate media sympathy

          [i.e. Pay no attention to what the attorneys are doing]

          Jasmine Rand met with Assistant Attorney Pat Whitaker on March 19th, 2012 same day Ben Crump was interviewing W8.

          - 2 links from March 20th – Jasmine Rand interviewed about meeting with Assistant State Attorney Pat Whitaker

          ‘I Am Trayvon Martin’ As Their Message, College Students Rally Demanding Justice
          Trymaine Lee

          The students also demanded a meeting with Assistant State Attorney Pat Whitaker, which eventually was arranged. Four of the protest leaders and law professor Jasmine Rand of Florida A&M, walked into Whitaker’s office, emerging an hour later only mildly satisfied with what they heard.

          “Our concern is that the conversation began with “We are conducting the investigation to see whether or not a self-defense claim can be proved” not “We are conducting the investigation to see whether or not we can prove manslaughter,’” said Rand, whose firm Parks & Crump has been retained by Martin’s family.

          • John Galt says:

            “not “We are conducting the investigation to see whether or not we can prove manslaughter,’” said Rand”

            Manslaughter? The poor little candy toting black child was hunted down and shot in the street like a rabid dog and she only wants manslaughter? I guess she didn’t know about the Crump – Bondi- Corey connect.

    • spectator1 says:

      I see that as a possibility Dman, but i think it would be much more likely she’d be blowing her horn all night and the next day about Martin getting into a fight(with a white dude?) and not calling her back.
      I’d think it would’ve been a pretty hot topic and would’ve kept spreading thru the new and improved grapevine we now have.

      By the next evening it would’ve turned into a nuclear bomb, and we’d have viewed much of that slang communique.

      Miami LE & Sanford LE phones would be ringing away until the media announced “the girl that heard it all”.

      In a case like this, it would’ve only took 1 or 2 ears to that bomb ticking.

      This is why i don’t believe she heard squat.

      • waltherppk says:

        BDLR asked DeeDee a leading question if Trayvon had told her he bought some iced tea and she answered YES ….which was the very wrong answer, and makes her entire statement HIGHLY SUSPECT as being completely manufactured, or at the very least confirmed to be testimony colored by either the media narrative or by coaching. Even the probable cause affidavit is “tagged” as fraudulent by the “iced tea” disinformation. It was WATERMELON JUICE which was found with the deceased. People close to the investigation not just readers or hearers of reports about it, did know very well the soft drink was watermelon juice and not iced tea. BDLR knew it. That is why BDLR asked the question of DeeDee, and the wrong answer to that question did serve to discredit the state’s star witness as well as the probable cause affidavit.

        • ejarra says:

          If I went to the store and bought a bottle of Jim Beam and the media called it Jack Daniels and the person I was talkking to one my phone knew I drank JB and the queston was, “Did he go to I store for J?”. That person should know what I drink and not agree with the question that I had JD with me instead of JB.

          Did I just hurt someone with that analogy?

        • John Galt says:

          “BDLR asked DeeDee a leading question if Trayvon had told her he bought some iced tea and she answered YES”

          She actually did better in the Crump interview. She said Arizona and didn’t specify iced tea, as far as I can tell. She is apparently easily led, which might be useful for the defense in extracting even more suspect testimony. “DD, it’s been a long time since April 2 and I’m sure you have had an opportunity to think in more detail about what you heard that night. Did you hear Travyon say anything like, “Oh No!, there’s two crazy creepy old white men and a cockatoo after me.”

      • waltherppk says:

        There is something significant represented by the wrong answer of DeeDee to the question of BDLR about “iced tea” and that significant thing is called “reasonable doubt”.

        • John Galt says:

          Lesson: If you’re going to lead a witness, don’t lead them to say things which conflict with the physical evidence.”

          • waltherppk says:

            The leading question may have been an “exit strategy” of BDLR who already knew the witness account was bogus and the “iced tea” disinformation tag probably created by Serino was the litmus test ….let’s dye mark this phony witness for later identification under the “black light” of scrutiny. We can put that under our hat and pull it out later if needed just to prove we were doing our jobs and cover our own six.

            • hooson1st says:


              the distinction between Arizona watermelon juice and iced tea may have escaped BDLR at that time. Remember that BDLR and the gang are operating on the theory that GZ is guilty as they have charged him, and they tend to ignore details that do not support their theory and which seem to have to investigatory value.

              • waltherppk says:

                Prosecutors engage in theater where the adversarial role they are acting can run entirely counter to what they actually know, and a Freudian slip can give the game away that they are zealously prosecuting a case they actually know should be dropped, but they can’t do that because they have their marching orders. Sometimes a handful of gravel gets accidentally dumped in a convoy truck crankcase by somebody who would personally like to slow things down.or see things go a different way. And sometimes they throw the opposition a bone, if only to keep the theater going. It’s job security for everybody.

      • ftsk420 says:

        So do you think like I do and believe she texted him and didn’t speak to him. I do believe she had contact with him that night because some of the things she says is believable.

      • You don’t believe she heard the grass???? LOL!

      • John Galt says:

        “This is why i don’t believe she heard squat.”

        +1 + if she heard something, why the great efforts to deny early March discovery of W8, as reported by Radar Online.

      • justfactsplz says:

        I firmly stand on that belief also. Squat, nada.

    • boricuafudd says:

      IMO what you said it certainly possible, I think if she felt guilty that she might have contributed to TM’s death she would be pliable to embellish the story to help the Scheme Team.
      Putting aside knowing that she was the last person that talked to TM, I feel like you completely incredulous that as a girlfriend who is supposed to have spent hours on the phone with TM, would not be concerned about him for days, without contacting someone who knew TM in some way.
      Having said that I find it extremely interesting that DD testimony would match in so many ways to GZ’s NEN call. In reality the only thing her deposition adds is the sense of a chase and it provides TM’s state of mind as a scare teen. Thereby setting a nice storyline. There very few details, mostly just a narrative and those that are given could have originated from the NEN call or GZ’s own statements.
      I always thought it was odd how the information she gave only served 2 purposes, give the sense of a chase, when there was none, and that TM was not acting in an aggressive manner, just the elements a lawyer would need, nothing else.

      • John Mclachlan says:

        Others have stated that cell phone service providers routinely give cell phone call logs and cell tower ping logs to the police, upon request, during criminal investigations.
        At the outset of their investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin, the police could have requested the call history and cell-tower ping logs for the phone found at the crime-scene and any phone with which it was in contact, throughout the previous day or days.
        The police therefore could have easily determined whether or not someone was in contact with the phone found at the crime scene and whether their testimony may have been of significance to their enquiries.
        If there was a phone connection to the phone found at the crime-scene, during or prior to the fatal confrontation between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, it is inconceivable that the police would not have been aware of this or that they would not interview the phone-contact.
        The police would have been able to identify the phone used by the contact and putative ear-witness and then, by use of cell-phone ping logs, their identity and address.
        They would not have required access to the phone found at the crime-scene, regardless of its ownership.
        The police would not have required any assistance from the Martin family, the Martin family’s lawyers or their private investigator, to discover this alleged phone contact and ear-witness.
        Neither would the police have required the district attorney to make appeals for this alleged ear-witness to come forward and make a statement to police, since the police could have directly approached her and questioned her, regarding the subject of any phone calls, which occurred so close to the time period of interest to the investigation.
        The police could have approached and interviewed the alleged phone contact, discretely, without even needing to reveal the nature of their enquiries to anyone, other than the contact.
        However, the alleged ear-witness was allegedly discovered by the Martin family, not by the police and was interviewed by the Martin family lawyer, by phone, in the presence of a TV reporter.
        Following the broadcast interview with the alleged phone contact and ear-witness, the state appealed for the alleged ear-witness to come forward and make an official statement to the police.
        Despite the initial refusal of the alleged ear-witness to come forward, there has been no discovery released, which indicates that the police made any independent effort to identify and interview this alleged witness, using the technical means at their disposal, rather than rely upon the Martin family and their lawyers to arrange an interview at the Martin family home, with other parties present.
        Would this be normal practice for the police, in a politically sensitive investigation of such prominence.
        I believe that the police, and hence the prosecution, are aware that the alleged ear-witness is a creation of the Martin family and that the false testimony of this witness is irrelevant to the criminal prosecution of George Zimmerman, provided the prosecution can overcome the final hurdle of the immunity hearing, which would permit civil lawsuits for financial damages, regardless of the verdict in a criminal trial.
        Would Det. Serino have had access to the results of any enquiries about the phone found at the scene being in contact with any other phone, before or during the confrontation between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman?
        Would he have been aware of the use of cell-phone call records and cell-tower ping logs to identify any individual who may have been in contact with Trayvon Martin at this time?
        Would a conscientious investigator ignore such evidence?
        Would a conscientious investigator rely upon a private attorney’s private investigator to discover such an important potential witness?
        Would any lead investigator, upon learning of a potentially significant witness, not take or order steps be taken to identify that potential witness, by his own subordinates within his department, or correspond with any technical specialists who may have the necessary expertise?
        Does any published discovery indicate that the police undertook any such investigative work, after learning about the existence of the alleged ear-witness?
        If the lead detective did not order such attempts to identify the alleged ear-witness, then this would suggest that he already knew that the phone call record did not support the claim that the phone was in use and that the testimony of the alleged newly discovered witness was false.
        I believe that Det. Serino, who has already been deposed by the defence, may have testified that forensic evidence contradicts the prosecution claim that the phone found at the crime-scene was in use at the time of the confrontation and that the alleged witness testimony is provably false.
        If this is indeed the case, then, even without the actual phone call records and ping logs, the defence may be able to prevail in an immunity hearing.
        There is no need to formally charge a criminal conspiracy upon the part of the state prosecution.
        The state prosecutors could conceivably claim that the machinations of the Martin family and their lawyers were unknown to the state and that they had accepted the evidence provided by the Martin family and their lawyers in good faith.
        The state could also claim that juries evaluate the credibility of witnesses, including those experts who testify which witnesses must, through unimpeachable forensic evidence, be lying to the court.
        This would possibly protect the state prosecution from the charge of bringing a false and malicious prosecution against George Zimmerman, while transferring the blame to the Martin family and their lawyers.
        The state officials who had a vested interest in permitting this travesty of justice could reasonably claim that they had tried zealously to prosecute George Zimmerman, but the only incriminatory evidence which justified his arrest was refuted by technical evidence, which was unimpeachable and that the law allowed no other course but to grant immunity before trial.
        The Martin family and their lawyers would then be forced to admit that they had procured a false witness, as revealed by the state prosecution and they would then recriminate over who actually among them was guilty of a serious criminal offence and who was merely misled, like the rest of the public.

        • libby says:

          Well said! (thank you for breaking it into paragraphs or I couldnt have read it).

          • jordan2222 says:

            John Mclachlan

            I agree with everything you said in this excellent post. Only two problems:

            1) It’s logical.
            2) The outcome has already been determined.

        • boricuafudd says:

          I believe that everything you say is mostly correct, the only monkey wrench in the equation is that the phone is a pre-paid phone that would make biographical information, if any, of the phone suspect. Yet, apparently some work on the phones was done as MOM alluded to finding some cell phone information from March, hidden in the file at the FDLE, so it appears that the process was followed but not completed.

          • LetJusticePrevail says:

            I am wondering if the phone info Mark discovered in the file was the result of the (SPD?) subpoena of Tracy’s phone records;

        • Someone needs to report that the reason why Crump and Sybrina, etc. wantd an arrest so much was because without it there is no civil suit. That is why Sybrina said last night that they will accept the verdict, no matter what it is.

          As long as the money starts rolling in they’ll be happy.

          The sheeple need to wake up!!

        • jello333 says:

          I’m gonna have to read over that a couple more times before I’m certain. But as of right now I gotta say, that makes a LOT of sense. If the cops, incl. Serino, suspected Dee Dee was real, they would have been all over it. I’m just hoping that once it’s proven that the whole Dee Dee narrative was a fraud, that THEN cops get all over it… for a totally different reason, of course.

          This leads to something I’ve been saying for some time: That there’s eventually gonna be an under-the-bus-tossing contest. It’s gonna be hard to keep track of who’s throwing who. But I agree that chances are, the main event is gonna be the State (Bernie and Corie and their enablers) throwing the Scheme Team (Crump, NatJack, the parents, etc) DIRECTLY under the bus. Of course Dee Dee is in serious danger, too. But if she can show that she was encouraged, coerced into doing what she’s done, she’ll be OK. In fact, I expect her to eventually sing like a canary who’s tire, scare, and runnin’ from the back.

        • waltherppk says:

          @John Mclachlan You just nailed it 100% :D Congratulations … and You betcha Serino knows and by reasonable belief and information the State also knows (or should have known) and therefore does not escape liability for malcious prosecution or conspiracy. If O’Mara and West are not already all over this ….then they are not worth a tinkers damn as attorneys. And the press not having even one investigative reporter who has followed up on this is a firm declaration of FACT that the news media of this country are Pravda style propaganda ministries which are agents of the state.

        • justfactsplz says:

          You are right and you are right about Serino. Police knew early on in their investigation that that the DeeDee call never took place. The Martins not only lied about this call they also bulked at turning over Trayvon’s real phone and tried to erase evidence on that phone. His real phone was able to be accessed and their was inportant incriminating video on that phone. What I am telling you was evidence at one time and hopefully still should be. The mystery is why it has not been released in discovery.

          • JB from SoCal says:

            My antennae are always up for your posts, justfactsplz, because of the special access you have earned. I would imagine both Wolfinger and Chief Lee have plenty of exculpatory evidence available that already authenticates what O’Mara & West have put together.
            But over here we’re all anxious to hear/see the “important incriminating video” from TM’s real phone, for exmple. Can you elaborate just a bit more, and at least give us the general subject area, e.g. WMA, “ho’s,” hitz on crackaz, hits on bongs, etc.?
            IOW, if nothing else, just how incriminating do you judge it to be, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being total ruin for the Scheme Team, incl. possible jail time?

            I realize that you have to tip-toe thru this minefield carefully, but I hope you can somehow find a way to provide a few more morsels to the starving masses.

      • John Galt says:

        “Having said that I find it extremely interesting that DD testimony would match in so many ways to GZ’s NEN call.”

        Yes. Very interesting to read the transcript of the NEN call in view of W8 statements.

        NEN call:

        He’s running.
        911 dispatcher:
        He’s running? Which way is he running?
        Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood.
        911 dispatcher:
        OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
        The back entrance.

        Tracy Martin, walking with reporter on camera:

        … presumably that was the path he took … um, I don’t know of the of exact path he took … BUT he did come in that BACK gate … ah, um, and AND I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE… ah, he was sitting out there …

        W8: He about to run from the back
        W8: And then he ran from the back
        W8: He gonna walk fast from the back

        From the back? Not to the back? W8 seems to share some common confusion with Tracy Martin. Maybe Tracy Martin discussed Trayvon’s route with W8?

    • libby says:

      I go to funerals all the time where I didn’t know the deceased was deceased (more nonsense from the trayvonites).
      “his brother said he was fighting or some shit”
      DD knew the truth…..He was playing the knockout game with the wrong guy and he got knocked out instead of the other guy (someone should warn teens that the knockout game has sometimes deadly outcomes).
      excellent, dman, par excellence (as much as she might have been coached to lie, she still had the guilt that couldn’t be assuaged by offers of money$$$$$).
      I could find a modicum of respect for her if she fesses up now and starts to tell da truff

      • libby says:

        And the way they talk about women is so uplifting to all involved

        • janc1955 says:

          libby — no kidding. I would think at least a St. Skittles worshipper or two of the female gender, having seen @NO_LIMIT’s vile and vulgar tweets about girls and women, would have cause to take a closer look at what this young man’s general mindset and lifestyle represented.

    • Trayvon was 16 and just turned 17. Dee Dee the 2nd was 18. I don’t care how many ho’s Trayvon had, there is no way 16 year old boys are hanging out and hooking up with 18 year old girls.

      MOM will need to ask Trayvon’s friends who his girlfriend was, if any.

      • ejarra says:

        She was 18 when he ws 16, that now is a fact. If it comes out that they were having sex, wouldn’t that be statutory rape? Could she get in trouble for that?

      • ftsk420 says:

        I agree and said something months ago about this. A 16 year old boy has nothing to offer a 18 year old girl. Besides if my girlfriend is 18 I would hope she has a license and drives and would come to Sanford to keep me company instead of hanging out with a little kid meaning Chad.

        • janc1955 says:

          Do young men similar to Trayvon even use the term “girlfriend” these days? Seems to me there are no real relationships other than sexual ones. When you’re searching for ho’s round every corner, do you really have a “girlfriend?” And if you’re a girl and your boyfriend is searching for hos’ round every corner, is he really your “boyfriend?” None of it makes sense to me. “Boyfriend” and “girlfriend” signifies some sort of exclusive relationship, but clearly @NO-LIMIT’s very public tweets didn’t paint a picture of a kid with a girlfriend.

    • Springstreet says:

      Some very good thoughts here (especially about DD feeling guilty!) but your explanation about how the phone got back to Miami (and how Tracey knew about Trayvon on the porch) is still weak (I don’t buy that TM would leave his stash on the porch).
      And remember this: BDLR has never shown any fear about the phone records … OR DD! I don’t think he’s stupid. He knew his first so-called leading question to DD proved she was lying. So, he never planned on using here as a witness … and never had the police investigate her. And I don’t think he manufactured or erased phone evidence either. The (stolen?) heart phone was dead and had no memory for that day … AND … TM’s phone records are real … and do show the phone was used in Sanford. But here’s BDLR’s problem: he can’t prove who used the phone and how it left Sanford!
      So, with your new thoughts, my theory still stands. TM and his cousin drove (again) to the 7/11 (no security footage of TM walking) and then to the back gate (as Tracey said). TM stayed on the porch (talking to DD) while his cousin took the button (for identification) to meet someone(s) at the cut-thru. GZ then “chased” a stone washed blue jeans hooded figure back to the porch where TM either ignored or was egged on by DD … and went to the T to attack the Cracka GZ. The next day, Tracey first called the cousin (who had driven away) and found out it was TM who attacked (thus telling the police it was not TM’s voice screaming for help) and then Tracey eventually ended up with the real TM phone. End of story.
      What say you?

      • diwataman says:

        “but your explanation about how the phone got back to Miami”

        Thank you but I’ve abandoned that theory a long time ago. There’s quite a bit in your comment that’s dated to my thoughts on everything. Please just address what I’m saying here without using what I said months ago as a response. Not tying to be jerky or anything but you seem to be attributing a lot to me that I don’t propose or that has changed as time went on.

        I don’t get the first part of your theory. Stephen and Trayvon drove to the 711 the night of the 26th after Trayvon had already been there? And when they did neither one of them went into the store?

        • Springstreet says:

          diwataman, Stephen told the police he went to the 7/11 on the MORNING of the 26th and TM stayed in the car while he got some Blunts. Then, he said he dropped TM off and went home. BUT, in his tweet (with photo wearing the plastic trophy belt) he said the last time he saw TM was the NIGHT of the 25th when they were shadow boxing and getting high in Brandy’s garage. The two stories don’t match! Why?
          The first part of my theory is this: The police said they reviewed the 26th roadside security camera footage and found no significant evidence. But, IF they saw Trayvon walking, don’t you think they would have leaked it to be on every newspaper front page? I don’t think St. Skittles ever walked to or from the store … he was driven by Stephen … to the back gate and Brandy’s back porch … just like Tracy said! Tracy did say that … before Crump got to him?
          About the phone being in Miami, (Sorry, I don’t get to read all your posts) I was referring to you second posting when you believed TM left the phone and stash on the porch to be found by Tracy … and then returned to Miami. I don’t think that theory is totally wrong … except it make more sense that Stephen (the first one Tracy called) was the one who used and then DROVE the phone back to Miami.
          As to why Stephen was there. TM so much wanted a snack for himself and his little “brother” that he walked in the rain for two miles BUT when he got back, he never drank the watermelon juice or opened the candy? Does that make sense? It makes more sense that the two druggy cousins were trading some of their weed for the third ingredient of “Lean” So, Stephen walked to the cut-thru (with the identifying button) to see to the street without being observed by any gate security cameras. George happened on him and (in his stone washed blue jeans) Stephen ran back to TM (in his tan pants) on the porch.
          Then, TM may have been just going back to complete the 3 Amigo deal when his anger got the best of him and be played the “knockout game”. I know you didn’t like the 2 Trayvon theories, but If any phone logs ever see the light of day (with your new understanding of DD) what do you think now?

          • ftsk420 says:

            I will say one thing I remember it was either Tracy or Crump said Trayvon punched in a code which we know the walk in side of the gate has no code box but if he came in a car he would have used a code.

            • Springstreet says:

              On camera, Tracy first said TM came in the back gate then … confused … referred to the front gate. I believe it was Crump who started the “punch in the code” story … so they could pretend George was “chasing” instead of passing by. In either event, the back gate has a short stone wall that a teenage triple jump track star could easily step over.

            • John Galt says:

              Crump told Sharpton that Trayvon entered the code. Fabricated to support the “Trayvon wasn’t doing anything wrong” story. Sounds much nicer than “Trayvon jumped the fence” or “Trayvon, trespassing in an unauthorized area (just like at school), cut between houses to enter the complex, thereby avoiding the security gate.”

              CRUMP: The whole time when he went to store, when he came back from
              store. All day, they talk. When you look at the cell phone records that
              blows Zimmerman`s testimony out of the water. Because she says and it`s so
              logical when she tells the story. He was walking home from that 7-eleven,
              and it started raining. He ran into the complex, had to hit the code, got
              into the gate, went to the first building he saw to get out of the rain.
              Stood there, let the rain subside, then he starts that walking back. She
              calls him back because he got off when it was raining.


          • jello333 says:

            Yeah, your theory shouldn’t just be written off without thinking about it. But I have a couple questions. 1) The button. Seems very strange they would both have one. But then again, you explain it couldn’t have been as an “identifier”. I suppose that’s possible. 2) Was George himself ever asked about who he saw? I mean, was there ever a question in HIS mind that the person he saw circling his truck was the same person he later had sitting on top of him? I know he made statements where his estimate of the age was slightly different in the two encounters, but I would assume that during both encounters he would have a pretty good look at the face?

            • doug reed says:

              jello333, I don’t believe the police ever asked George if he could identify Trayvon’s hooded face either thru the rainy windshield or in the darkness at the T. The best he ever said was: he looks black. And, after he got his head bashed in, George wasn’t in a position to make any distinctions between very similar cousins. MOM should ask some questions. As to the same button, Trashcan Momma said TM wore the button … so probably he didn’t. Is there any other picture of him wearing a button… except for during a drug deal?
              Thanks for not writing off my “theory” because (as of yet) no one else can explain what TM was doing for the missing 45 minutes, why TM wasn’t seen walking in any security camera footage AND why Tracy said TM came in the back gate.

      • ftsk420 says:

        The stone washed blue jeans thing I believe is just a mistake. I thought about this to but even the police said he was wearing blue jeans when they arrived at the scene.

        • Springstreet says:

          In George’s recorded police investigation, HE described the hooded figure as wearing stone washed jeans. I believe George saw those stone washed (BLUE?) jeans under the street lights and NOT when he was attacked by a different hooded person in the dark. Trayvon was wearing TAN pants in the 7/11 footage and when he died on the un-illuminated dog walk. George would need to be asked again.

          • ftsk420 says:

            George said jeans or sweat pants again I think it was a mistake.

          • HughStone says:

            It could be tan stonewashed jeans. On the 7-11 video, the square above the right back pocket where a belt would go, gives me the impression they were some type of blue jean material.

  5. gannasview says:

    George, one year ago your life was forever changed. You and your family has gone through more this past year than most of us will go through in our life time. You and your family is in my prayers.

  6. ytz4mee says:

    From the Global Grind story:
    It’s just this simple. If we do not continue to push for justice, the momentum behind George Zimmerman’s June trial will dissipate.

    I think that’s the biggest problem for the Scheme Team right now. “Momentum” has already dissipated. The “movement” is being kept on artificial life support by the vested and self-serving interests of BGI.

    As the truth begins to be revealed about how the first allegations that Traydemark was a violent thug actually had merit, the “momentum” won’t even be able to be revived with generous support from the highest levels of the BGI. Methinks NatJack and Crumpster picked the wrong “icon” for a “movement”.

    • jordan2222 says:

      We all suspected or at least hoped that the truth would eventually be revealed. Crump has been virtually silenced by his current legal dilemma and the funds have dwindled except for a few heavy hitters. The SYG drive was doomed to failure from the start. It actually is having the opposite intended effect. Each day I see news more favorable to George. When Martin’s past comes to light, there are going to be more doubters. I saw some reporters recently asking questions who clearly know more about this case now than ever. Crump is in trouble and more folks are beginning to see that. I think we are on the verge of a break through in the news that will be reported. Don’t you sense the tide is turning?

    • jello333 says:

      Decades from now, an old guy sitting in a rocking chair talking to his teenage grand-daughter…

      “Grandpa, I was just talking to Grandma and she started to tell me a funny story, but then she said to come and let you finish it.”

      “Funny story? Like what?”

      “Something about how when you went to college, you didn’t have to pay for everything because you got some scholarships. But something was weird about one of them.”

      “Oh, right. And Grandma thinks that’s pretty funny, eh?”

      “Yeah, what’s so funny and weird about it?”

      “I guess you’re not gonna be happy until I tell you. So ok, one of the scholarships was given out by some people who started a foundation for their son who got killed, and… well…”

      “So, what’s so bad about that?”

      “Um.. well, you know all the stuff you’ve read in your history books about how blacks like us went through a period where some of our so-called leaders were real idiots? How they would lie about racism in order to get rich and famous?”


      “You remember some of the famous cases?”

      “Yeah, like the girl who said she was kidnapped and stuff, and another girl who said a whole football… was it football?… a whole team raped her, and I remember some others. Like the guy who tried to kill that other guy, and…”

      “That’s the one.”

      “Yeah? So… oh wait! I remember now. He’s the one with the crazy girlfriend. And his Mom and Dad ran all over the world lying and raking in money, and trying to make their son into the victim when he was really a bad guy, and…. And yeah, it said they started a bunch of organizations to try to fool people, and even gave out scholarships and stuff. No way! You?”

      “First recipient of the Annual Trayvon Martin Sholarship. Eh, actually turned out to be the ONLY recipient. Yeah real funny. Happy now?”

      “Hey Grandpa.”


      “I just heard the weather forecast. And they say tonight it’s supposed to be a little bit drippin’ water!”

      “Oh you’re just hilarious today, ain’t you?”

      • boricuafudd says:

        permit me to change that a little.

        Is a solemn day, a boy goes to check on his grandmother who is softly crying as she looks at a frame certificate.

        Hey Grandma was wrong?

        Is nothing sonny, I was just thinking of your grandfather. Did you know he was the first recipient of the TM Foundation scholarship fund.

        Really, no I did not know that, so is that whats making you sad?

        Yes, as a result of the efforts of the Family, the laws were changed, so when the men broke into the house your grandfather was defenseless. I tried to call the cops but by the time they got here, he was dead. They say they won’t charge the attacker because your grandfather stepped out into the porch. So now he is going to be released.

    • janc1955 says:

      “Methinks NatJack and Crumpster picked the wrong “icon” for a “movement”.” That is for damn sure! It’s one thing to put lipstick on a pig and cross your fingers that you’ll fool a few folks. The scheme team has tried to put a full face of makeup and blonde wig on a warthog.

  7. rumpole2 says:

    Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest.

    Today…. The Justarse gang review SD’s “Open Letter To Don West”

    As I have pointed out before… mentioning the name of CTH and certainly providing links is a banning offence…. it certainly was back when rational people were being singled out and banned… the Madam Baker Decreed it!!

    It seems with only Half a Dozen Traybots left… Madam can not afford to ban anybody, even if they flagrantly disobey her orders (and it’s a second offence for Teeto as well)

    Random Topics

     photo cockatoo.gif

    If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

    • rumpole2 says:

      Dear Eloise

      Please read my letter closely.
      It’s beneficial, too.
      You must read in-between the lines,
      A message you will see.
      If you use your mind, you’ll find…

    • Chip Bennett says:

      Today’s Daily Daft was the most personally hilarious one yet.

      • rumpole2 says:

        When the Cretins take it upon themselves to comment about discussion at the CTH that is WAY above their “pay scale” and intellect….. the analogy that comes to my mind is of a little wire-haired terrier dog that puts it’s paws around somebody’s ankle and then keeps “humping” away at their leg. :D

        It’s annoying but sort of funny. Embarrassing…. the remedy is to push them away with your foot.. shake them off your leg. They do disengage and just sit there with a stupid look on their faces.

        Pretty good analogy.. especially since it involves dogs. The bitches at JQ are certainly more like little annoying terriers than the “Bigboi” pitbulls that they fantasise about.

    • rumpole2 says:

      I just posted a “Bonus Daily Daft Post From Justarse Quest”

      Actually it is seriously troubling rather than funny.

      One of the JQ cretins is called for Jury Duty today. The thought of Jury Pools including dopes like the cretins posting at JQ is a worry. This is a very sobering reminder that it is really happening. There has to be a better alternative to the Jury system.

  8. brutalhonesty says:

    idiots cant stop themselves

    correct this moron. i just got my twitter suspended 3rd time for facts. smh

  9. brutalhonesty says:

    dont forget…global grind posted a veiled/clear threat to gz on their 5 reasons we cant forget about tm post. “must pay one way or another” we all know what that means.

    • ytz4mee says:

      I think it’s telling that the “pro-Traydemark” side always needs to resort to threats.
      Threats of bodily harm, threats of riots and damage to personal property.

      Strange, this continual need for threats, when according to them, all the “ebidense” is on their side? Including of course, the magical grass-whisperer, the “DeeDee”. Just doesn’t seem like the type of behavior one would expect from those who seem so sure they are operating from the high ground. Hmmm.

      • libby says:

        If they had the president on their side and no threats were made, that would not bother me so much.
        NOW, the FACT that they ARE making threats of violence (while they have the support of the POTUS means their racism has INSTITUTIONAL power behind their hate and their threats).

  10. justfactsplz says:

    George and Shellie I am thinking of you today. I pray for God’s peace and direction to envelope you.. Keep on keeping on.

  11. jello333 says:

    Something I posted very late in yesterday’s thread, but now that the new one is up I’ll put it here too:

    How many parents have had sons or daughters killed over the past year — most through absolutely no fault of their own — who get virtually NO attention and publicity. No rallies, no “resolutions”, no copyrighted images, no “tribute” songs and messages… nothing! Now that I’m thinking about that, I’m getting pretty angry.

    • scubachick75 says:

      I agree! How many whites were murdered by blacks that didn’t even make it on the local news? How many blacks were murdered by other blacks and get zero press unless that black person had a friend whose sister rode the bus with the black girl that performed at the White House Inauguration?

    • Flaladybug says:

      Thanks Jello for that INCREDIBLE post!! A few days ago, a young black man named Chaz Fain was shot and killed in Tulsa Oklahoma by a drunken black 42 yr old man for what police are saying absolutely NO REASON!!! He was a good friend of my son’s and had stayed in my home many times. He was going to an aviation school (yeah, I know) and upon completion was going into the Air Force. He was a polite, hard working, respectful, INCREDIBLE individual who actually did have a BRIGHT FUTURE ahead of him!!! I have been SO ANGRY asking myself….where is the OUTRAGE for his death?? These are the examples of the loss of black men that should be brought into the spotlight…the REAL VICTIMS that would have made a positive impact in this world!!

      R.I.P. CHAZ

  12. ytz4mee says:

    The comments on the Yahoo! splashpage piece written by Liston of Reuters are running heavily against team Skittles. Best comment so far on the continued use of the photo of 12 year old Traydemark?

    “I’m sure Charles Manson was an adorable 12 yo too”.


  13. diwataman says:

    I’ve completely forgotten when they are supposed to argue the Gutman tapes. That isn’t supposed to happen March 5th is it?

  14. ytz4mee says:

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around BDLR’s histronics about TCTH in court the other day, and his allegations about “doxing” the DeeDee. Why would BDLR even want to “go there” and open up an even bigger can of worms for himself? Put down the shovel, BDLR.

    Do they not understand that the DeeDee must fit the profile that they all alleged (“minor chile, puppy love, etc)? They can’t just miracle a 19 year old who fits none of the profile sold in the “narrative” and just go, “oh my bad”. Crump sold the story of a 16 yr old who needed to be sheltered from the evil press and public far and wide. There is no mistake or misunderstanding about what he, as an “Officer of the Court” alleged in numerous media interviews.

    Does the Scheme Team and Crump in particular really want to open the door to the broad range of discovery that would be available – and part of the public record – regarding any alleged “DeeDee”?
    That would be another opportunity to question how the “DeeDee” was “discovered”, and his role in same.

    BDLR also doesn’t seem to understand that a key component of “doxing” is intent to threaten, coerce or intimidate. Since that’s the only hammer the Scheme Team has in their toolbox, I guess they assume that everyone else uses intimidation and threats to advance their cause. Using logic I guess is something they don’t understand.

    And does the Scheme Team honestly think they are going to be able to continue to manufacture reasons why the “DeeDee” shouldn’t be called to the stand in open court so George can face his accuser, as is his right?

    I’m mystified at how this is a “win” for the State. If anything, it makes them all look like even bigger buffoons than previously – although I think the State’s admission at the first bond hearing that they had no evidence as to who started the confrontation or any evidence to refute George’s story, was the high water mark of this circus, but I may be gravely mistaken.

    • libby says:

      BDLR forgot early in life that the governemnt works for the people and not the other way around

    • howie says:

      Since Crump is opposing council in this murder trial why is he let off the hook for discovery? The SA is also opposing council. This is really screwy. If he is opposing council he should have to turn over his entire work product to the defense. Just like the SA.

    • RockyMtnMama says:

      I had to admit I chuckled when I heard BDLR mention CTH in the hearing. You guys (and I say “you” because I’m more of a lurker than a poster) must really be getting to him. :)

      • boricuafudd says:

        I know we make fun of BDLR and his antics, I done some research on BDLR and he is a well respected prosecutor. He has been recognized by the FBI, DOJ and has a great track record for winning his trials. We can’t underestimate him.

        • diwataman says:

          He’s a manipulator and a liar plain and simple. He does not operate under the banner of truth and justice, he operates to win at any cost. You are correct that he should not be underestimated but it’s not because of recognition or win/loss stats, it’s because he’s good at manipulation in general and manipulating the system to his advantage. This is often the way of our judicial system anyhow and why a person of Bernie’s character fits so well within it as a prosecutor.

    • John Galt says:

      “And does the Scheme Team honestly think they are going to be able to continue to manufacture reasons why the “DeeDee” shouldn’t be called to the stand in open court so George can face his accuser, as is his right?”

      I don’t think they will call Dee Dee. Crump hasn’t said peep about Dee Dee blowing anything out of the water lately. I expect Nelson will shield the ABC recordings from discovery. Denying the Crump depo, shielding W8 address and ABC recordings would likely result in reversal on appeal in event of conviction, which would lead to another trial, with full discovery regarding W8. I don’t think State or Scheme Team wants that. Simple solution: don’t call W8.

      “I’m mystified at how this is a “win” for the State.”

      Nelson denies immunity, jury acquits Z, Scheme Team sues HOA. Scheme Team happy, thanks Bondi and Scott, utters soothing words to calm the restless natives.

      “was the high water mark of this circus, but I may be gravely mistaken.”

      Yes, it’s becoming theater of the absurd. I wouldn’t be surprised if they found some pretext to start closing hearings before Dershowitz or other high profile attorney takes notice.

  15. brutalhonesty says:

    urgent tweet and call request……
    Michael Skolnik ‏@MichaelSkolnik
    up before the sun wakes up. going on @WPIX this morning to talk about Trayvon. #OneYearLater #OurWorkIsNotDone
    Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite More

    get some truth on the air and on their twitter…make the host accountable and expose any bias.
    we are watching you.

    • brutalhonesty says:

      Tamsen Fadal ‏@tamsenfadal
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  16. ctdar says:

    Prayers of strength & perserverence to George, Shelley & family!!

    • libby says:

      I pray that parents begin to teach their kids the dangers of playing the knockout game (cuz on this one year anniversary of trayvon’s death, the message seems to be lost in all the hate on whitey sentiment)

      • libby says:

        I also pray for vicmtims like george and his family who when attacked by a thug were victimized again by the state that wants to see them persecuted to please the BGI

  17. libby says:

    Keep the hoax alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. Chip Bennett says:

    One year ago today, a 17-year old, unprovoked, assaulted someone who, unbeknownst to his attacker, had the means to defend himself. The attacker died and the victim lived.

    The racial grievance industry has spent the past year seeking “justice” for the deceased attacker.

    Meanwhile, in Chicago, more than 60 school-aged youth were murdered in approximately the same time frame (out of almost 500 who were shot). Where are the calls for justice for them?

    • rumpole2 says:

      Thank heavens George was licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and that he had it with him that night…. else events that night might have ended in a REAL tragedy of an innocent citizen attacked and killed in an unprovoked attack.

      • jello333 says:

        And other than those who live right around Sanford, not one of us would have ever heard about it. Would have never heard the names George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin. Just think about THAT for a minute.

    • jordan2222 says:

      Are BGI and RGI the same things?

  19. brutalhonesty says:

    thy unveiling, please download, share, whatever…..make it visible. everyone. fb it, tweet it, print it out and post it on a light pole. i dont care. spread the truth
    My trayvon art

  20. Oh my goodness. FOX News station off the air here for some reason, so I turned to CNN just in time to see Crump and the Martins being interviewed by Soledad Obrien. Stomach churning. They showed all the news pulbicity from last year including the tape leaving off George saying “Okay” when he was told “We don’t need you to do that.” She started with, “Still ahead this morning on Starting Point It has been one year since 17 year old Trayvon Martin was gunned down in FL and it sparked a natiowide furor over race and SYG laws.” Still saying “gunned down.”

    She also had Nat Jackson on a panel discussing that 9 yr old rapper and I thought it was interesting that the two black women, Nat and Soledad, thought it was okay for him to be doing that.

  21. brutalhonesty says:

    I struggle greatly with the words to write. I get stuck on the opening and the ending. The middle I see clearly. It’s almost like slow motion. I envision those last minutes. 7:17PM when the breathing stopped. Where it began is murky. Where it will end is confusing. But, I see the part where the story comes to a screeching halt. The pause button. February 26th. Not this year, but last year. The moment that one life will end and one life will be forever changed. I have gone over this moment in my head for a year. A year since a can of ice tea and a bag of skittles hit the ground with deafening silence in Sanford, Florida. A year since a grey hoodie went over the head of a young man trying to protect himself from the drizzling rain. A year since the death of the son that could have been the President’s son, but is in fact the son of Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton. A year since this American son, Trayvon Martin told his brother Jahvaris that he loved him. One year. It has been that long since I struggled with the words to write.

    When the words don’t come out, we don’t force them. We let our words come from our heart and whatever comes from our heart is what we were meant to say. On Sunday, I bought my unborn son his first hoodie. From the Gap. Gap Kids. My son is expected to enter this world on March 16th, but as far as we are concerned, he could come any day, so we have been doing a lot of shopping lately. I walked to the cash register with the hoodie in my hand, thinking about Trayvon with every step I took. I thought about the hoodie he wore on the night he died. Who bought him that hoodie? His father? His mother? I thought about how I would explain to my son that a hoodie is no longer just a hoodie. A hoodie is much more than something that protects you from the rain or keeps your head warm during the cold. I thought about the conversation I would have with my first child about a child I never knew. I would have to explain to him that Trayvon Martin’s death changed my life and I didn’t even know the young man. I walked with that hoodie in my hand, and as I got to the register, I couldn’t help but think about all of the parents who no longer buy clothes for their children. I grieve.

    I can’t comprehend the words that can be written about the loss of a child. I haven’t even met my son yet, and I couldn’t imagine losing him before it is my date to rest my eyes for the last time. The mother of my child shutters as I read her these words on paper and goes off to the bed. I understand why. The human mind should not be exposed to these type of thoughts. I ate dinner with Trayvon’s mother and father last night and as always, I was in awe of their strength, compassion and love. They were made no different than any of us, but somehow they have been able to carry this unbearable burden that seems impossible for any other person to bear. They carry on not just for themselves, but for all parents who were able to say “good morning” to their children as they awoke today. They know the feeling of an empty chair at the breakfast table. They know the feeling of homework that is no longer due. They know the feeling of birthday candles for an eighteenth birthday that were never blown out. They told me that they never want any other parent to have these feelings. They would rather carry these burdens alone, than see another family experience the year they have. That is what keeps them going. That is what gets them out of bed each day. However, today more than ever, they still need to be showered with love. As the bible says in Matthew 5:4, “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.” Sybrina and Tracy, rest assured that the world mourns with you.

    A year later, in their mourning, they still want to make sure the world understands just how much they loved their son, and how that love continues to translate to the love of all children. And it was evident, when we sat down for dinner and the most caring words came out of Sybrina’s mouth when she said, “is the baby here yet?”

    I no longer struggle with the words to write. In the memory of Trayvon, I wear my hoodie today. In the anticipation of the birth of my first child, I wear my hoodie today. I hope you will join me.

    ~Michael Skolnik

    Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martin-hoodies-one-year-anniversary-michael-skolnik-death-sybrina-fulton-tracy-martin-pics-photos#ixzz2M0rdzKQ3

    • boricuafudd says:

      The naiveness and fantasies that Skolnik and other white Progs invent for TM is rather disturbing. None of them, it seems, to have questioned the idyllic family view that the PR firm put out for them. All have bought into this fantasy and expanded on it to the point that the TM is but a figment of their imagination, bearing no semblance of the real TM.

      I read this and other articles like it and you would get the sense that they know TM, intimately when in reality if TM had come walking down a dark alley they would be clutching their purses tighter or gripping their briefcases harder, looking around for escape routes. Perhaps it is the guilt they feel for this, that drives them to create a whole fantasy world for TM, a world that he did not live in.

      Regardless of the reason, these pathetic sad attempts at portraying TM as a victim in the face of evidence to the contrary. The fantastic creations of how TM life was, knowing that when he was alive, few if any cared, are truly stupefying and now quite annoying, and give license to other TM wannabes. Hopefully, some day they will wake up and say, what have I done? Somehow, I doubt it.

      • John Galt says:

        “The naiveness and fantasies that Skolnik and other white Progs invent for TM is rather disturbing.”

        They are just one round of the KO game away from reality.

    • jello333 says:

      Only 2 comments to that article? Can that be right? If so… bwahahahaha! So perhaps now the idiot Skolnik will wake up the realization that the vast majority of people no longer believe his hypocritical, racist, moronic LIES. That article was simply gag-worthy. I mean, I read a lot of those, but his was…. umm, special.

    • Alexandra M. says:

      Yes Skolnik I say barf ……. mighty mighty BARF!

  22. brutalhonesty says:

    quote of the day, its a doozie:
    Lisa Wallington Omg, so the cops and the entire florida govt are out to get gz! Wow, paranoid much?!
    about a minute ago · Like

    Fans of truth more stupid ” Omg, so the cops and the entire florida govt are out to get gz! Wow, paranoid much?!
    a few seconds ago · Like

  23. Only perfunctory mention of Trayvon Martin in the Miami Herald today.

    Main news headline: Local rap artist is among shooting spree victims

    …..Deadly gunplay in the streets of Miami-Dade over the weekend kept police busy and a community apprehensive. The bloody 48 hours left at least three teenagers shot, two of them dead in drive-by shootings. Other victims include Miami’s hometown rap artist Andre Scott, who performs as Young Scrilla. …….


  24. david says:

    Jonathan Capehart is helping Crump and Mrs Skittles openly threaten George in the media http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/02/25/trayvon-martins-mother-use-this-case-as-an-example/

  25. Surrealdreamer says:

    God is a God of love not of hate. I am in total shock after coming to this site and reading that people like some of you even exist and call yourselves Christian. I doubt this comment will get posted because sensorship seems to be the conservative treehouse way. If you dont post love for murdering Zimmerman you are not allowed to post. If I was George Zimmerman I would not want you people as my supporters, what a hateful bunch. Very Scary that this is what our world is like when people have the ability to hide behind a computer screen and spew hatred. God knows the heart, that is what he looks upon and Karma is a b****

    • ytz4mee says:

      Yes, the hate and vitriol coming from the Martin family supporters is quite appalling, isn’t it? The glee with which they discuss their desire for rape and battery of Zimmerman if he is sent to prison is stomach-turning. Almost as nauseating as the continued lies for cash.
      Sybrina and Tracy haven’t stopped lying since this entire debacle began, starting with Tracy lying about the last time he saw St Skittles alive on the recorded NEN when he reported him missing, and Sybrina starting in with lying about why St Skittles had been suspended from school. (“tardiness?” ha!) The lure of cash and infamy overrides any concern for the basic concepts of our legal system.

      As for people who hide behind a computer screen and spew hatred, I guess you haven’t been over too very many of the pro-Martin sites, especially those managed by race-baiting whores.

      Why don’t you start spending your time more productively and start asking why all the lies, and why even the most basic questions are being ignored, and/or covered up by the media – beginning with the allegation that St Skittles wasn’t allowed to live with Sybrina, his birth mother, and was being raised by Trashcan Dad’s second wife, Alicia Martin. Ask, why would Sybrina lie about why St Skittles had been suspended from school, and rush to have this wonderful scholar/future astronaut’s school and disciplinary records “sealed” ?
      Why lie about the most inconsequential things, like “Iced Tea” vs. “Watermelon Juice Cocktail” , or the bigger things, like the mysterious DeeDee?

      Thanks for stopping by.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      I am in total shock after coming to this site and reading that people like some of you even exist and call yourselves Christian.

      That’s a pretty hypocritical statement, considering that you almost assuredly come here from eithre JQ, Leatherman’s blog, HuffPo, or OS. Have you even considered the degree of hatred expressed toward not only George Zimmerman, but also his wife and his entire family? Need an even more degenerate comparison? Try Twitter.

      Very Scary that this is what our world is like when people have the ability to hide behind a computer screen and spew hatred.

      …says the anonymous poster who is only here to troll.

      God knows the heart, that is what he looks upon and Karma is a b****

      Irony is not lost on you, is it?

    • brutalhonesty says:

      why lie? this place never censors

    • partyof0 says:

      Surrealdreamer….your real name wouldn’t by any chance be “Karma”, would it?

    • stellap says:

      Censorship? What a joke. Do you think anyone here is allowed to post at any of the pro-Martin Family sites? And talk about vitriol – I’m sure you aren’t aware of threats not only to George Zimmerman, but to those who support him? You haven’t seen that, is that so?

    • eastern2western says:

      actually, you must understand that we do not hate trayvon because we hate the circumstances that lead to the arrest of zimmerman. we believe trayvon is not at fault because zimmerman’s arrest is created from a media campaign directed by a bunch of greedy lawyers. Then the actions of the florida goverment is also despicable because they are sacrificing the life of an innocent man to appeal to mob justice. since we did we ever showed any hate for trayvon when most of the time we talk about the evidences surrounding the case.

    • ftsk420 says:

      I’m no Christian. I ask who is hiding not me everything I post here I will say in public. What’s very scary is people can get away with such BS as photoshoping pics to make a little black boys look less menacing. What’s also scary is how the media can alter tapes to make someone appear racist.

    • Sharon says:

      Oh, good grief. I’m one of the admins and yup–we have censorship. We refuse to publish the filth and pornographic language that is a normal part of many of the threats that we receive, both within comments and in direct contact. We don’t publish the death threats.

      “….hiding behind a computer screen…” My name is Sharon. What is yours? Chip Bennett’s name is Chip Bennett. What is yours?

      Folks are at liberty to use screen names here as is quite normal practice in the innertubes. You didn’t know that? I guess that’s what you’re doing as well? That’s ok with us. Someone using a screen name is not an indictment of them: their own attitudes and words will do that.

      You are using Platte River Theology (2 inches deep and 2 miles wide) when you throw out the all-purpose doctrinal meme of “God is a God of love and not of hate.”

      You know neither the Scriptures nor the God of the Scriptures. You might want to exercise some care in how you gossip about Him and how you distort His identity and character.

      You forgot to accuse some of us of being white. An oversight on your part, I expect.

    • Sharon says:

      Look what I found.. ..
      Back on December 27, CORRECTION: It was February 21–just last week!… Surrealdreamer posted this comment:

      Hi, I came across your site by accident but realized after reading it that I have heard of it before. I am not a conservative nor am I a Liberal, I am an independent because I choose to think for myself rather than following someone elses ideology.

      I have spent alot of time following this case reading the evidence that has been released so far by both sides. The forensics, the autopsy reports etc. I have also read through all the documents on the GZlegalcase website. Unless there is some evidence that has not come out, it does not appear to favor George. Just based on what has been released so far is there something that I am missing? He seems to have alot of supporters on this site claiming the evidence shows he is innocent would you be so kind as to point me in the direction of that evidence? I feel as though I am missing something. Do you get the inside scoop from the defense because I have been unable to locate the information/evidence that many of the posters are using to claim George’s innocence?

      I have been struggling with wanting to donate to the GZ Legal defense fund but feel that I need to have all the evidence available to make an informed educated decision and so far the only evidence(autopsy reports, Osterman book, Forensics witness statements etc) have left me with the conlusion of guilt so if there is evidence you have or can lead me to, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.

      By the way not that it should matter but I am a 40 year old white mother of 3 boys.


      Care to explain why you are so “shocked” today…and yet, back in December just last week, you just seemed so concerned. You were struggling. You wanted to donate. You wanted to be informed. But thank goodness you’re an independent thinker and don’t follow someone else’s ideology. At least there’s that.

    • ejarra says:

      Name someone that we hate and show me the link. We don’t hate Trayvon; none of us do. We don’t hate the Martin’s neither. That was NEVER said here.

      But it does seem as though YOU are FILLED with HATE. HATE for us and HATE for the fact that we stand behind justice.

      I do think that there is one thing that we HATE and that is INJUSTICE.

      • ftsk420 says:

        Some of us may hate Crump.

      • jello333 says:

        I think most of us here actually show MORE real respect for Trayvon than his so-called supporters do. We at least try to portray him in the light that he, HIMSELF, wanted to be portrayed. Never has one of us insulted him memory by portraying him as a scared, helpless, little child. If Trayvon could see what’s going on, he’d be DISGUSTED by how his “supporters” portray him! And just last night, when reading about yet another star-studded appearance by Sybrina and Tracy, I asked this question: I wonder if Trayvon ever got to visit LA, or New York, or DC, or London, or….. I suspect the answer to that is… NO.

    • dexter says:

      The death of reason, and justice, is a threat to all of us, when the innocent can be condemned by the angry mob to a life behind bars, just because the need to cast one’s own frailties unto someone else gives emotional relief. Where is the righteous God who condones the burning fire of their hatred? Who can sleep soundly at night, when the rule of law becomes the law of desire?

    • justfactsplz says:

      God does know the heart and I am sure if the Trayvon supporters who have spewed hate and made physical threats repent, God will forgive them.

    • libby says:

      How’s the weather in socal? I need to know

  26. ytz4mee says:

    According to Reuters, the Sanford Vigil/Memorial tonight is a complete bust. “Dozens” will attend.
    This is a story that the media is determined to keep on life support? They can’t even astroturf enough people for a photo op at the “Ground Zero” of the event.

    “…In Sanford, several dozen people will gather for a candlelight vigil near the time – 7:15 p.m. – when Martin, 17, was shot.”


    • ftsk420 says:

      I watched CNN last night and saw the Zimmerman letters and I was surprised. They did still use Ice Tea instead of what it really was. What they did was look at all the letters that was given to them and they broke it down into sections. What people thought he was racist and so on. It showed a very small number of people thought it was about race I believe it was 10% the majority of people were mad because of his age. They went on to show that people were scammed by the media and made to believe that Trayvon was some little boy and were very upset. They also went on to say that only 40% of people believe he is guilty. They showed the pics of George face and head and also showed an older pic of Trayvon.

    • ejarra says:

      This is the first time I had seen this:

      “Meanwhile, George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Martin during an altercation, remained out of sight, preparing for the possibility of a high-profile murder trial scheduled for June in Florida.”

      The reporters used George’s full name and only the last name of Martin’s. No Skittle’s, no unarmed black child, AMAZING!

    • truth says:

      “Zimmerman’s attorney plans to invoke the Stand Your Ground law at an April 29″

      Is that true? I haven’t seen that anywhere before. I don’t think it is, just more political posturing for gun control. They’ve so badly wanted this to be about SYG.

      • jello333 says:

        Nope, not true. Simple self-defense. He COULD use SYG if he wanted… they just don’t NEED it. The reason it doesn’t really apply has nothing to do with George being innocent and using self-defense. It’s just that one of the main parts of SYG — no requirement or duty to attempt to retreat — wasn’t even available to George… he TRIED to retreat/escape, but Trayvon wouldn’t let him.

      • John Galt says:

        “Zimmerman’s attorney plans to invoke the Stand Your Ground law at an April 29″
        Is that true?

        No. Zimmerman’s attorney plans to move to dismiss the case pursuant to Rule 3.190(b) and Chapter 776 of the Florida Statutes, more specifically pursuant to the immunity provision of 776.032. Inasmuch as Z had no opportunity or ability to retreat, the so-called SYG provisions of Chapter 776 are not relevant as Z would have been justified in shooting Martin even prior to enactment of the so-called SYG law.

        See JENKINS v. STATE, 942 So.2d 910 (2006) (shooting March 19, 2004, prior to effective date of SYG law)


      • No. he will use self-defense. O’Mara explained th Piers why it is not SYG. the law apparently changed in 2005.

  27. diwataman says:

    Hey whaddyaknow, something new in the NBC case(not sure what it means though):


    • ftsk420 says:

      I may be wrong on this but

      This looks like they are asking permission to use a lawyer who isn’t admitted to practice in a certain jurisdiction but has been allowed to participate in a particular case in that jurisdiction.

      Again I could be totally wrong.

      • ftsk420 says:

        Lee has represented media clients in libel, invasion of privacy, reporter’s privilege, access, copyright and related First Amendment cases for more than three decades.

        Again I could be wrong.

      • diwataman says:

        I’m looking at this one: Motion to stay proceedings by defendants. I wonder what’s up with that.

        STAYING PROCEEDINGS. The suspension of an action.
        2. Proceedings are stayed absolutely or conditionally.
        3.-1. They are peremptorily stayed when the plaintiff is wholly incapacitated from suing; as, for example, when the plaintiff is not the holder, nor beneficially interested in a bill on which he has brought his action; 2 Cr, & M. 416; 2 Dowl. 336; Chitty on Bills, 335; 3 Chitty, Pr. 628; or when the plaintiff admits in writing, that he has no cause of action; 3 Chit. Prac. 370, 630; or when an action is brought contrary to good faith. Tidd’s Prac. 515, 529, 1134; 3 Chit. Pr. 633.
        4.-2. Proceedings are sometimes stayed until some order of the court shall have been complied with; as, when the plaintiff resides in a foreign country, or in another estate, or is insolvent, and he has been ruled to give security for costs, the proceedings are stayed until such security shall be given; see Security for Costs; 3 Chit. Pr, 633, 635; or until the payment of costs in a, former action. 1 Chit. R. 195; 18 E. C. L. R. 64.

      • John Galt says:

        100% correct.

      • ftsk420 says:

        “While there is no legitimate basis for Zimmerman’s claims against these defendants, who fairly and accurately reported about a news event that has captivated the nation, now is simply not the time to litigate them,” wrote Gregg D. Thomas, a Tampa attorney who specializes in media issues and was hired by NBC.

        They must be joking right.

        • John Galt says:

          So they are moving to stay pending resolution of the criminal case?

        • ejarra says:

          If they are going to use the “FAIRLY and ACCURATELY” defense, they are screwed. All’s Beasley has to do is list the number of times they said “ice-tea”, the number of times they said murderer without saying alledged, uncorrected weight for Georgie and uncorrect weight and height for Mr. Martin, and I’ve not even mentioned “Rev.” Al yet.

          • ejarra says:

            Also there is all the stuff they chose NOT to report about. Trayvon meeting with the 3 stooges, his length of time that he took to get back to TL, and of course what he was doing while Georgie was on the phone and why he wasn’t at Brandi’s during at least a 4 minute time period.

            Then there’s Tracy. Why didn’t they report on the fact that he was partying with his lodge buddies and Brandi while leaving his son alone with only jhad and his cousin for company. And speaking of Stephen, they never talk about what he and Trayvon were up to that weekend either. Nor do they report on the “I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I know nothing”, Chad.

            They should be sued for what they didn’t report on as well as what they did.

            • boricuafudd says:

              Marge, that seem to be the new talking point, Crump said something very similar in an Interview with the Jonathan Capehart on the Washington Post. Trying hard to drum up sympathy, since Crump admitted that he was hired to sue GZ, before TM was buried?

        • Speaking of NBC, Trayvon’s brother was interviewed by MSNBC and showed himself to be alot more honest and decent than Sybrina and Tracy:

          From the interview:

          “What I would like to see come out of it is that it doesn’t happen again, so that somebody can’t just pick somebody out and follow them and things turn bad,” Fulton said. “I want to say [Zimmerman] thought his safety was worth more than my brother’s life essentially, and people can’t do that. They can’t go around doing that.”

          Follow them and things turn bad…….that’s exactly what happened.

          “Zimmerman thought his safety was worth more than my brother life…” – Well, DUH – yeah, he sure did. Why can’t he protect himself?

          • ftsk420 says:

            What if that night George didn’t have a gun but knew how to defend himself. Say Trayvon was 18 instead of 17 and George killed him with his hands do you think we would be where we are right now.

            • skeptiktank says:

              Or…if he had grabbed a large rock…a brick surrounding a flower garden perhaps, and struck Martin in the head with it, and it just happened to kill him. No case. It’s very much about the use of the gun, and what that implies in the minds of unthinking people.

      • diwataman says:

        Thank you.

        Now I see for sure what is going on with “MOTION TO STAY PROCEEDINGS BY DEFTS”

        So NBC is looking to stay the proceedings either absolutely

        “deserves no payout from it”

        or conditionally

        “In two pleadings that total more than 100 pages, the company also asks Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to put a temporary hold on the civil suit until Zimmerman’s second-degree murder case is concluded.”

  28. arkansasmimi says:

    Having bad thunderstorms down around Sanford, have a Sister from Another Mother that lives close to there. She says it beez dripping a lotta water on their parade. I posted this on the other thread but made me laugh the way it is written. To me it sounds like TRAYVON will be there as in FEATURED…
    Corey B. King‏@coreybking
    For all of the Trayvon supporters @iamjamiefoxx has a blogtalkradio show and will be featuring Trayvon tonight!

    • menostupid says:

      It has been doing MORE then drippin’ lotta water here Mimi LOL Its rainin like cats & dogs with tornado watches all over! They apparently have tents for the “Hoodies Up Vigil” but with these winds the tents aren’t gonna hold up…I don’t see a lotta peeps showing up. I can bet there wont be as many people that were at some of the “marches” last year…LOTS of folks know its all a fraud now..MORE then the Scheme Team thinks.

  29. jordan2222 says:

    This is a response to Jonathan Capehart’s editorials including Playing ‘Games’ with Trayvon Martin’s image.


    Anyone know who is writing these responses?

    • diwataman says:

      An idiot.

      But on a serious note it seems like a collaborative thing, you know, what the defense wants to say as a whole sort of thing or something to that effect.

  30. truth says:

    Interesting little tidbit I’ve noticed is that the local tv stations all pretty much cover the case similarly, except for the NBC affiliate.

    I check the websites for wsvn, wplg, cbs4, and nbc6 and do a search for “Trayvon Martin”. The only one not covering the anniversary date is nbc6. They also were the only ones silent last week when Jamie Foxx was in town.

    • boutis says:

      There is a lawsuit against the parent company and the Miami affiliate so they may not want to dig any deeper. Just saying.

  31. brutalhonesty says:

    wow get a load of their hate: its all they got: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=439679896107913&set=a.282585628484008.64194.278155035593734&type=1.


    btw that’s after jftm mod claims any hate will be removed:


    They can spread their own poison. Please use a working email address with your comments. –Admin

    • brutalhonesty says:

      note the threat above
      wow just wow what jftm allows threats on gz life.
      Jose Frias DOn’t COME TO MIAMI ZIMMERMAN there’s a hit on you here.
      20 minutes ago · 4.

      see that FOUR LIKES sick sick sick.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      WOW at the language. I hope Geo or Shellie if reading here, just pass over this post. Such hatred, and they talk about US being whatever? I let a few bad words slip every now and again, but I try not to. To post so much as those peeps do, well just shows their mentatality!
      Agreed. We don’t need to help them spread it. If folks really want to read it, they can clicked through on the fb link.


  32. Angel says:

    Dear George Zimmerman
    If you read this, I just wanted to take a moment to say this to you:
    A year ago today, a tragedy occurred that has been devastating for you, your family and the family of TM. My heart goes out to all parties concerned. However, to you, I feel such empathy, that you have to go through this virtually alone and that has to be next hardest thing since that tragic night. Let me say, though you feel alone, you are not. Often times, I bet you want to give up, but find the strength to hold on. You are deserving of a moment of prayer and remembrance as anyone else involved in this tragedy and believe me my heart goes out to you and your family as I reflect on the anniversary of a tragic day that has impacted your life in ways I cannot even imagine. Godspeed!

    • Angel says:

      this song got me through during my adolescence because of the melody and this line:
      “Still they Ride, the strong will survive.” Stay strong GZ!

    • jello333 says:

      And let me just add to that…

      George, you have just gone through the worst year you have ever and will ever go through. And you’re still here! You got through this, and things are gonna get better…. slowly, slowly, it’ll take time. But you’ve reached the bottom. Now you’re gonna start climbing back up, and you’ve got countless friends who are gonna help you along the way.

    • Sha says:

      Angel : Log into the password post…….. :)

  33. ottawa925 says:

    I just heard on CNN that Mark O’Mara will be on Piers Morgan tonight. Will MOM talk about all the BS stuff pulled by Crump and State? Will he talk about the age of DD and how she was a minor for Crump’s interview, and then young adult for State’s interview? Will he talk about the missing minutes of Crump’s taped interview? Will he talk about the ping logs and phone evidence?

    • jordan2222 says:

      I hope he steps on some toes and begins to expose this scam but I am not counting on it. I would much prefer to see Don West.

    • Lou says:

      I hope he mentions Trayvon’s school records and that he had a tendency for violence. maybe he’ll talk about the fake suspension for tardiness. oh well, I’m just wishing.

    • John Galt says:


      MOM: Condolences for the Martin family, on anniversary of tragic event, while SYG is an insane law, Z is asserting plain old self-defense, not invoking the insane law, yes, avoidable and tragic, but Z not guilty, respects Nelson’s orders, will do his best to comply, defense still needs money for experts

      PM: Guns are bad, guns should be banned. If guns were banned, Trayvon would be alive. Nobody should have guns. Guns should be for the military only.

  34. Sha says:

    Sorry ! to pop in and out but I thought this was pretty good by RZ jr
    He did a interview on NPR.Org I tried to copy and paste didn’t work. Will try again later….

  35. CCG says:

    There is a live stream of the vigil in Union Square. I can’t even believe what’s being said. Don’t see the Scheme Team, but a group calling for revolution.

    • jello333 says:

      The weather looks fine. They had Sharpton, Sybrina, and Tracy there (and I guess some “celebrities”?). It took place in the middle of NEW YORK CITY! And yet… it looks like MAYBE a couple hundred people there. THAT’S IT. So thankfully it appears that people are finally waking up.

      • boricuafudd says:

        Anybody who has lived in NYC and been to Union Square would know that this is barely above what is normally in that area. Really Pathetic. You will see a larger crowd just a couple miles south in Washington Square Park or the Village.

        • jello333 says:

          I know. Normally if there’s anything going on, people just randomly walking past might go in to see what’s up. But here, it seems that most people intentionally went the OTHER way. Now in this march, just a minute ago some girls were chanting, “Trayvon! Martin!” getting a little bit louder each time, and more higher-pitched. Until finally they stopped and… started LAUGHING. This is soooo pathetic it almost makes me feel sorry for the Scheme Team.

        • jello333 says:

          “Ok folks, whereas when this march started, there was maybe 150 people, now we’re down to 40… maybe 30. So now we’re DEFINITELY outnumbered by law enforcement.”

          • boricuafudd says:

            How long do you think it will take them to get embarrassed enough to call it quits. I am sure the NY residents who are paying the cops overtime would like it to end soon.

            • CCG says:

              The girl with the glasses needs to be committed. These cops have a lot of patience, isn’t loitering a violation of some law. After all you can’t buy a 16oz. Soda in NYC, this surely must need a permit of some sort.

            • jello333 says:

              Yeah, I can understand the city initially assigning quite a few cops for that, since it had the potential to draw thousands, and the Trayvonites were trying to raise tensions. But once it became obvious that wasn’t even gonna be close, they should have sent the majority of them home. I imagine all the cops were saying, “No way, I’m staying. This is the easiest overtime I’ll EVER make.”

        • ftsk420 says:

          I would frequent these areas all the time and you are correct.

      • Are you sure Sharpton was there?

        • jello333 says:

          Not really, no.I just thought one of the people doing the MCing sounded a lot like him. I couldn’t see the person talking, though.

    • jello333 says:

      Ha! And now they’re talking about a “march”. But the cameraman is complaining about going. “Why? It’s really small. Maybe 150 people. Ok, I guess we’ll go.”

    • jello333 says:

      Looks like around 100 people on the “march”, a handful of media people, and maybe 40 or 50 cops. ;)

      • ejarra says:

        You are WRONG!! There were thousands there! BigBoi the dog wouldn’t lie!

        Man, I hope I don’t go to hell over that!

        • jello333 says:

          When I was watching it, I guessed around 200. Then a few minutes later, the guy doing the reporting (who was pro-Trayvon) said he thought there was between 150 and 200. So that’s probably pretty accurate. But no, I won’t tell Bigboi… I worry about her emotional well-being, so no need to push it.

          • indiethink says:

            not even 200, a bunch anarchists.

            • jello333 says:

              Yeah, I think some of the people there (esp. in the march) appeared to be ones who attend a lot of “political issue” type protests. Some of those protests are very worthwhile, while other ones — like tonight — eh, not so much.

          • ytz4mee says:

            The 200 includes the temporary help/paid sign holders. I think 200 is a very generous estimate. And that’s with Jamie Foxx as a draw for a crowd!

    • jello333 says:

      “I sag my pants! I rock my hoodie! Keep your hands off me!”
      :) :) :) :) :) :)

  36. CCG says:

    From the chat:
    sickjew Calling for justice, Williams quotes King: “Riots are the voices of the unheard.”

  37. jordan2222 says:

    If you can stand keeping your TV tuned to CNN, there is quite a bit of coverage going on and has been for a while. MOM will also be on Piers Morgan but in between, there are also other discussions. There are a couple of “vigils” going on.. . New York and Sanford,, but do not know how they are going yet.

  38. Alexandra M. says:

    OMFG…..my favorite (music) radio station I play in the car just had a “moment of silence” for Trayvon. Then the host asked for people to call in and share one sentiment or thought for Tray. Too bad I couldn’t get through….my contribution to the airwaves was going to be “TRAY-WHY THE EFF DIDN’T YOU JUST GET YOURSELF TO BRANDI’S PLACE???”
    End of story!
    But that’s not what the Progs are wailing and moaning about tonight. :(

  39. diwataman says:

    Bill O’Reilly with lawyer ladies(predictions);

    Ladies: Under the facts and circumstances he has a good chance at SYG hearing but judge will be afraid because of worry of riots and won’t do it. Conviction at trial.

    O’Reilly prediction: no conviction, don’t know where or how but he won’t go to jail for this crime.

    very short clip, over.

  40. jordan2222 says:

    tune in to CNN now to see O’Mara

  41. arkansasmimi says:

    According to this, he was with TM MINUTES BEFORE HIS DEATH A YR AGO! then posts a pix today by headstone….

    • diwataman says:

      I’s pretty sure he means he’s there NOW minutes before. Not that he was with Trayvon THEN minutes before.

      • ejarra says:

        The odd thing is that he could have been with him minutes before his death. Maybe there is something to that whole meme about Trayvon not walking to the 7-11 and that Stephen drove him there. It makes A LOT more sense than him walking there and back. IDK, it’s just odd that he said that.

    • boricuafudd says:

      The way the family tracks time minutes could have been days before.

    • jello333 says:

      Hmm… that may just be hyperbole. Or it could also be that considering how he’s probably feeling today, he just accidentally let his guard down. You never know. But anyway, that needs to be saved and sent to MOM/West.

      • ejarra says:

        I don’t believe he’s had his deposition yet, (Actually I’m too lazy right now to look it up) so this would be a great question that MOM/West should ask along with a pic of the tweet.

        • boricuafudd says:

          The theory has a problem if they drove why was Stephen or TM observed by GZ entering behind Frank’s house? If they drove home there would be no need to sneak around the back into the complex. Am I missing something?

          • jello333 says:

            No. There are a couple theories that say when George first saw Travyon, it wasn’t that he had just come through the shortcut from the street. Rather, he was standing there near the shortcut WAITING for someone (to either drive or walk up from the street).

          • ejarra says:

            What I meant was that Stephen dropped him off around there someplace near or at the 7-11 then drove back to his place. TM after going to the 7-11, walked back to RTL entering through the shortcut. I don’t believe anyone can account for Trayvon’s whereabouts for most all day that Sunday. Chad’s not talking and Tracy and Brandy were in Orlando. My guess is that Stephen DID NOT go back home right away like he said in his interview, but instead hung out with his cuz. He may have gone to the 7-11 that morning, but I’ll bet it was later in the morning than 8:30. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Does anyone here really believe he hung out with the video-game playing Chad? I do NOT.

            I’ve convinced myself that Stephen stayed with him until he dropped him off near that 7-11 and drove home.

            • arkansasmimi says:

              I am leaning that way too Ejarra. Just one of those gut type feelings. Staying open minded, but that nagging lil feeling…

            • boricuafudd says:

              Now that makes more sense to me. Him volunteering that he took TM to the 7-11, to get a smoke, always sounded fishy to me, no reason to volunteered that type of information.

              This means that Chad is lying, which may explain why he did not know what time TM left the house.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          If I remb correctly the depos are in March.

      • boricuafudd says:

        The problem with this exercise is we do not really know that TM was even at Brandy’s before leaving the 7-11 and “walking back”. Tracy and Brandy were not there and saw him leave and Chad, is not saying much of anything. TM could have spent the whole day with Stephen as far as we know.

  42. hooson1st says:

    MOM – nice job on Piers Morgan tonight

    • ottawa925 says:

      I thought it was a rather non-event. I think piers spent more time with the pizza dude.

    • diwataman says:

      Boring. Nothing new.

      • rooferx says:

        I’m not sure if CNN ever posted a small headline saying “FBI found no Racism”…..something to that effect…..under MOM after he said that.
        Piers cut it off quickly after that.
        Not much to report on the case anymore that racism is out of the picture.
        I also notice Sharpton on his show today with the family and he stated “no bricks were thrown, no one was hurt because of this case” paraphrasing again……..Which is complete BS.

  43. diwataman says:

    O’Mara clip pretty much the same we’ve always heard from him.

    “Georege was the victim of the attac rather than the other way around”

    Lolz, I guess he’s trying to make up for calling Trayvon the victim at the hearing.

    “Victims, aren’t we all” – Eric Draven

  44. arkansasmimi says:

    Piers Morgan Tonight‏@PiersTonight 5 min ago
    “A close reading of…evidence..suggest that George did not begin the fight, & did not continue the fight” @MarkOMaralaw on client Zimmerman

    • HughStone says:


      • jello333 says:

        Yeah, legally none of the evidence “shows” or “proves” anything until it happens in court. So MOM is using the more technically correct word “suggests”. But even so…. I REALLY wish he wouldn’t do that.

        • boricuafudd says:

          I just realized something, it might be nothing, but the tone today from both camps sound more conciliatory, subdue. Trying to keep things tamped down. You have the Scheme Team claiming that the protest were peaceful, nobody got hurt. MOM as always saying that it appears GZ is innocent, that SYG is a bad law, but GZ is not using it.

          Compared to Johnathan Capehart, Skolnik and others the people involved sound detach, now this may be just because of the occasion. But, I am wondering has some sort of deal been struck, and the camps are laying the ground work for a resolution?

          • jello333 says:

            I’ve said for a long time that I think the prosecution would be more than happy to make this case go away, as long as the Defense will promise to not dig into the conspiracy, including Dee Dee and Crump.

  45. jordan2222 says:

    “A close reading of…evidence..suggest that George did not begin the fight, & did not continue the fight”

    How about:

    “A close reading of…evidence..CLEARLY PROVES that George did not begin the fight, & did not continue the fight”

    He just can’t bring himself to defend George. Screw him.

    • rooferx says:

      Just minded his own P’s and q’s (IMO). Remember, prosecution is watching him like a hawk. BDLR not only mentioned TCTH, but he also mentioned MOM’s media appearances.
      Piers also asked about GZ pursuing TM after “told not to” and MOM responded with suggesting to listen to the NEN call carefully.

      • jello333 says:

        “Piers also asked about GZ pursuing TM after ‘told not to’ and MOM responded with suggesting to listen to the NEN call carefully.”

        Ah, he really said something like that? Good deal. He could have sat there taking five minutes to explain why the whole “told not to follow” thing is garbage, but MUCH better to just convince people to decide for themselves. “Listen to the tape… CAREFULLY, more than once if you need to. THEN get back to me.” Yeah, good deal.

  46. ottawa925 says:

    Saw this over at dogpound and we might save this for the DATE thread … article re: Author of SYG from March 21, 2012:


  47. arkansasmimi says:

    WOW! Just took a break about hr ago and ran to Wendys to get a late burger. Oh my gosh, police came flying in 10 cars total. Well I went next door to McDonalds, as I couldnt get out of parking area. Then ambulance, THEN Medical Helicopter. I mean it was ALL LOUD AND LITE UP!!! Made me wonder about Chad…. dont buy it! ( Mgr in MickyD’s said reg Officer came thru and said that some man was stabbed in stomach and were coming from another town. Guessing maybe didnt know where hospital was? who knows, I guess was pretty serious because of the helicopter, but no one was running or moving extremely fast, which I took as good thing)

  48. Sharon says:


    Dershowitz enraged Cory last summer when he criticized her prosecution tactics, so much so that she called the Dean of Harvard Law School, where he teaches, to complain and reportedly threatened to sue for libel.

    But the threat has not stopped Dershowitz from expressing his opinion about her.

    “[Zimmerman] certainly can’t get a fair trial prosecuted by the terrible, terrible prosecutor who is bringing this case to trial,’’ Dershowitz told Malzberg.

    “Look, Trayvon Martin was a victim who shouldn’t have died and in my view there’s a lot of moral responsibility on the shoulders of Zimmerman.

    “The question is, is it a criminal responsibility? And if it is a criminal responsibility, of what degree? It’s certainly not the kind of murder charge that he’s now facing

    • boricuafudd says:

      The “Witz” is heard from, glad to hear he still supports GZ, however pc he put it.

      • John Galt says:

        Not PC at all. “Corey unethical, bordering on criminal” “not a very good prosecutor” “extort the defendant” Holy cow, Corey will explode. Watch the video. Dershowitz is extremely sharp.

        Maybe an admin can embed the video?

    • justfactsplz says:

      Moral responsibility, huh? Why does that not surprise me? Dershowitz is anti gun.

    • ottawa925 says:

      hmmm first we have heard from him in a long time.

    • ottawa925 says:

      That link no longer allows you to see the article. Too bad we couldn’t capture it.

    • art tart says:

      Sharon – thanks for sharing the link on Dershowitz. Hopefully his statements will again inflame Corey and I hope he contributes more on the case.

      I think Dershowitz stated it correctly, GZ can’t get a fair trial with Corey. His outage on the overcharging for 2nd degree murder wasn’t lost on anyone, but it seems that he is questioning if GZ should have been charged with a lesser charge. At one time he stated “GZ wouldn’t be convicted but maybe he was implying of 2nd degree murder. IDK.

  49. arkansasmimi says:

    Orlando Sentinel‏@orlandosentinel 2 hr ago
    More than 200 pay tribute to Trayvon a year after his death | http://thesent.nl/13mfZM6
    Retweeted by Natalie Jackson

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