01-31 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.

“The sensationalized, fact-deficient coverage of this case has achieved the
desired results. The networks got their ratings. The politicians got their
talking points. And if it means innocent people get caught in the middle of the
racial enmity they’ve fomented, obviously it’s considered acceptable collateral
Congratulations, geniuses. Job well done. Jim Treacher, The DC Trawler

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543 Responses to 01-31 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. metrometeor says:

    Hi guys. Just letting you know some time ago I saw an article on cracked.com that made a passing mention of George Zimmerman but presented him as having vigilante fantasies. At the moment I let it go by but now I felt the need to respond. The article itself is ok, it talks about how people like to demonize other people to make things easier. Just like the media did to Mr. Zimmerman huh, quite ironic…

    My response:


    Hi mister Wong. I (mostly) enjoy your articles and I am sure I would enjoy your book if I ever read but.

    But otherwise, I need to tell you something very important.
    In your monsters article, you say ” We wanted Liam to be wronged, because we wanted to see him kick ass. It’s why so many people walk around with vigilante fantasies in their heads.” And then show a picture of George Zimmerman, implying that you find him guilty of being a cold blooded murderer of “innocent black child[ren]” as the media likes to say. Or at the very least, accusing him of having vigilante fantasies, and assertion that has no basis in reality.


    You know that NBC is on fire for spreading false information about Mr. Zimmerman, right? You know he has a tight shut self defense case? Perhaps you should have made some investigation if you were gonna slander an innocent man that has already been the victim of national-wide hate.

    I’m gonna forward this message towards Zimmerman’s defense team, I think they are gonna like adding another list of deep pockets to their “To sue” list…

    BUT you can probably still do some good, if you ever feel bad about wrongfully accusing a man of being a monster (hey I know a good article about that!), then how about this…

    How about if you make this article titled “59 ways the Mainstream media made a fool out of you regarding the Trayvon Martin case” (mm has a nice ring to it I think). I even gonna help you with the research!! Here: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/forums/choose-your-own-topic/trevon-martin-another-reason-why-america-is-damned-5767494.msg1275088189.html#msg1275088189


    (btw this are all excelent sites you should read them often)

    This isn’t about threatening you, I truly hope you reconsider, and take actions to fix the damage you have done. Consider this a friendly slap in the face.

    Zimmerman is not the monster. His life has been ruined by very real monsters. Who are this monsters?? You are just but a few clicks away to know^^.

    Monsters are real, David, and we are George Zimmerman.

  2. justfactsplz says:

    Hi, Metrometeor, that was an excellent reply you made. They tried from day one to make George out to be a vigalante. I remember local news covering the story in the first days calling it a . “vigilante shooting”. Thank you for shedding your light on that darkness. Go Wolverines! You are a Wolverine now and I am so happy you are here. You do George proud.

  3. sundance says:

    Now that we are absorbing/digesting the apparent fact that 2/26/12 has been removed (in some form) by a California data agency. Page #8.

    Consider looking back to this comment, and more importanty the replies to it.

    Almost everyone agreed the “phone records” were *the way* to bring sunlight to the guise.

    Now what?

    • metrometeor says:

      It is quite anguishing yes but I don’t think everything is lost, in fact this might help George more at the end. You know the missing data is like a black hole… total darkness but we can still detect it’s presence by its surroundings… and now this black hole is gonna suck everyone in.

    • allhail2 says:

      Well, it looks like the deposition list just got longer. Field trip to Cali, anyone? Perhaps a few key statutes pointed out that result in felonies, complete discrediting of a company, national embarrassment, may just cause a few little birdies to just sing the day away….and point some fingers.

      I always thought the State was trying to screw little things up to get out of this without looking like they were trying to screw it up to get out of it. But, c’mon. If there is not a good explanation for this, get the gun, the fish are in the barrel. Ooorrr, this gives the State a way to blame a third party and wash their hands of it (or at least add it to the list of other oopsies).

      • debfrmhell says:

        I wonder if KathyCA could shed a little light on what LE department could be involved with analyzing that phone. I thought about the CBI but looking at their divisions I couldn’t find a good fit.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Can/Have they gone after DeeDee’s phone contents?

    • Chip Bennett says:

      Almost everyone agreed the “phone records” were *the way* to bring sunlight to the guise.

      Now what?

      Now what?

      Motion to dismiss.

      Not only is there prima facie evidence of evidence tampering, but also, without Martin’s phone data, it is impossible to prove that Dee Dee’s conversation with Martin actually took place – meaning that the State truly has no evidence whatsoever.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Chip – This is gross incompetence on the part of the STATE. The records of the “Heart” phone COULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE in the first month! Thus, the fact that 1) The cell (battery) was dead in the last hour (with no pings to towers), would have ended Crumps coaching of DeeDee. But if 2) The phone was “active”, you could have confirmed it with a “flash memory” dump – which was done in the last month. The STATE was hiding this for 1/2 year. That, Chip, is OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, on the part of Corey-Bernie. Or am I wrong?

        • rumpole2 says:

          Sounds right to me… but how are you going to put that to Judge Nelson… and how are you going to get her to pay attention, let alone do anything about it?

          • canadacan says:

            That is exactly right Richard judge Nelson has no intestinal fortitude. her colleagues consider her lazy and a political coward. George will prevail but this is gonna drag on a long long time because we have another nincompoop on the bench. Judge Nelson seems to perpetually suffer from bad hair days.

          • ottawa925 says:

            Rumpole, what is your email? want you to take a look at something

          • allhail2 says:

            For some reason, she reminds me of the green skinned witch character in the Looney Tunes cartoons. Seperated at birth, perhaps.

        • Coast says:

          Incompetence no. But gross misconduct, corruption, deceit, and witness tampering …yes.

          I find it hard to believe that people who work for the State can be this dishonest. There is a reason God’s commandment says “thou shall not bear false witness” and people will have to account for their sins. People who act like this and try to frame people will someday deeply regret it.

      • JW says:

        Obstruction of justice?

      • howie says:

        I doubt the phone itself could accidentally erase everything on the date of the incident. The lab in California??? Why there? Would they have to keep detailed records of what they did? Would there be a detailed request from the state to do certain things? This is a whole new can of worms. The hearing on the 5th will prolly be moved up. Another continuance?

        • boutis says:

          I thought that the judge’s “rules!” were to prevent that. She made them and now she has to proceed with them. If BDLR did not see this coming and object to the “rules!” when she laid them out for him he is an idiot. He has time to answer so no whining allowed. If he has to pull an all-nighter that is just the way it works sometimes with those silly deadlines he did not object to. Changing the rules that you agreed to can lead to other problems and chaos.

          • howie says:

            This is fishy. This will take a lot of investigation by the defense. The phone records in the actual phone are material. Them being missing is exculpatory. Were they missing when the California Lab got the phone?

            • myopiafree says:

              HI Howie – This is a huge “open” question. WHEN DID THE BATTERY GO DEAD?? The with a “low-battery detect”, the phone shuts itself off. Any electronic DETECTIVE WORK, could TELL YOU WHEN THIS HAPPENED!! That would explain the last “missing” hour. But it would make a total FRAUD OF Crump-DeeDee – and Bernie. That is why no one is “taking”. All the other “stuff” they got off the phone would be the “drug deals” and the “three 7-11 people”. I vote for a “dead phone” and think that needs to come out – pronto. Crump needs a lawyer – as does DeeDee.

        • John Galt says:

          “I doubt the phone itself could accidentally erase everything on the date of the incident.”

          Is it 100% clear that the phone data was erased? Maybe they extracted all the data and just withheld the critical records before they gave them to the defense?

        • hooson1st says:

          I would think that the hearing on the 5th should go forward so that MOM/West can narrow the circle around these disturbing developments.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          Could the “lab” in Cali be the home office place of the phone service maybe? I remb the discussions on the phone bill that Chump submitted and the diff in the time. Just wondering

    • Knuckledraggingwino says:

      I can’t believe that Judge Nelson is so profoundly stupid and dishonest that she will not understand that by covertly sending the cell phone to an undisclosed, California firm for undisclosed procedures, BDLR has irrevocably broken the chain of custody and created a prima facia case of evidence tampering by the prosecution.

      I also can not help but wonder if this case has degenerated so severely that even BDLR understands that he can not win? Is it possible that a back room deal has been negotiated to delay a resolution until after the Summer which is the prime, riot season? Aside from the desire to avoid property damage, President Obama wishes to avoid an acquittal that would provoke all of his bastard sons to commence rioting just as he is trying to advance legislation that deprives Whites of the means to defend themselves. Even the Democrats in Congress might suddenly develop an appreciation of the Second Amendment if Blacks were to burn down a few more cities. Of course thug riots that destroy a few million housing units just might be the perfect stimulus for the housing industry.

      • howie says:

        I think this whole fiasco is based on back room deals. Between LEO’s and Public officials and other parties.

      • hooson1st says:


        The phone could have been sent to California w/o breaking the chain of custody. All depends how it was done.

        President Obama is not involved in this.

      • “…Summer which is the prime, riot season?”

        OMG that was hysterical. I did not know there was a riot season, but now that you mention it……

        I wonder if there is an annual “Rioters Almanac”? Tells you the good times and places to riot. Maybe coordinates with the phases of the moon (Full moon better for torching cars as your buds can get better lighting when they film it, but new moon better for looting, for obvious reasons.

    • waltherppk says:

      GPS phone location data is “missing” for 2-26-2012 ????…yeah riiiight ….go figure :D

      • howie says:

        A novelist could never make this stuff up. The mystery of the missing pings.

        • waltherppk says:

          But Pam Bondi promised publicly that no stone would be left unturned by the state’s investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin so all the stones that have been left unturned must be just a “clerical error” huh. Or maybe when a rock was turned over and something was found that did not serve the “prosecution theory” well then that kind of Brady Material is “confidential work product” which the state can just conceal or destroy since it isn’t the “right kind” of evidence if it exonerates the accused. Why didn’t Pam Bondi explain more fully how it would be the state’s investigation would be done ? It almost seems dishonest to make such misleading promises publicly…..not really showing much class at all.

      • justfactsplz says:


    • tara says:

      I’m tardy for the party again …

      What the h*ll? I thought the investigators documented that the Cellebrite was ineffective in retrieving all of the information from Trademark’s phone. And now we find out the Cellebrite worked after all???? But all of the data for Feb 26 is missing???????

      I can only imagine the looks on the faces of O’Mara, West, and the rest of GZ’s legal team when they saw which day of data was so conveniently missing.

      • tara says:

        At the meeting on January 9, 2013, yet additional information, previously undisclosed by the State, was identified. These items include many documents which were generated in March and April of 2012, including a map created by an FDLE analyst showing the whereabouts of Trayvon Martin’s phone during the hours of February 26, 2012;

        How granular is the cell phone location data? Fractions of miles, yards, inches?

        a report of an incident involving Trayvon Martin created by the Miami Dade School Police Department;


        a picture given by Tracy Martin to the Sanford Police Department identified as a current photo of Trayvon Martin (which was previously specifically requested by the defense)

        So remind me again why the media only used pictures of Trayvon that were 5+ years old?


        • smokeNmirrors says:

          the picture provided was also 2 years old and was not actually recent, its one from where they got the rest of the old photos, myspace.com/T_R_A_Y_9

          • smokeNmirrors says:


            The pictures last updated to this album in Jan. of 2009 making them at least 2 years old at the time of his death.

            • ftsk420 says:

              It would be nice to get a school ID pic they take them every year.

            • tara says:

              You’d think the media could have spent 1 minute finding these pictures and used them instead of the kindergartner in cap and gown. Sheesh.

              • ftsk420 says:

                How much you wanna bet any recent pics of TM shows him with facial hair.

              • smokeNmirrors says:

                The media were given pictures by a PR firm hired by Crump of a young and innocent Trayvon with the story line of a baby faced boy going to the store for candy and an iced tea who was hunted down and shot in the heart in cold blood by a white-hispanic neighborhood watch wanna be cop. It make better news showing him as an angle instead of the typical teenager who are prone to make youthful indiscretions. Had Trayvon just got his licks in and ran he would be alive today, the problem is he made Zimmerman play his hand and resorting to using his firearm for self protection as no one was coming to his aid when he yelled for help. Did Zimmerman deserve to get his nose busted? IMO yeah, you could say he had it coming, but he did not deserve to have his head bashed into the concrete, that is where Trayvon crossed the line and Zimmerman gained the right to use deadly force to defend himself.

                • justfactsplz says:

                  What did George do to deserve getting his nose broken?

                  • smokeNmirrors says:

                    IMO means “in my opinion” it is my opinion while GZ had every right to exit his vehicle and proceed to follow on foot, doing so he was putting himself at risk. Would a normal person follow a black male who is hiding his identity with a hood who looks to be on drugs into a dark ally? Was he not asking for trouble?

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    Thank you for explaining your personal opinion.

      • tara says:

        The Martin family witnesses are a chapter of this case which will take an enormous amount of time and focus. The family members have, through their publicity firm and their numerous public and media appearances, generated an extraordinary amount of information, much of it relevant to the case at hand.

        Yes! The best, IMO, was when Ronquavis Fulton told Nancy Grace that he and other relatives of Trademark met DeeDee at Trademark’s funeral on Mar 3. He described it as a “formal meeting”. But Crump, Parks, other members of Team Skittles, and even DeeDee herself (the second one, at least) claimed that DeeDee was too sick, hospitalized even!, to attend the visitation on Mar 2 or the funeral on Mar 3. And at his press conference Crump claimed that Tracy Martin discovered DeeDee on Mar 18, two weeks after she attended Trademark’s funeral and met with Trademark’s relatives. I wish the funeral home had surveillance video, it would be hilarious to see all of them huddled together plotting and scheming ….

        • ftsk420 says:

          My only problem with this is the fact that she may have not attended the funeral but could have attended a wake.

          • tara says:

            de la Rionda asked her if she attended either visitation or funeral and she indicated (through grunts and mumbles) that she attended neither.

            Ronquavis has stated that DeeDee was at the funeral. This is a problem

            And even if the other DeeDee (Crump’s DeeDee) stated that she attended the funeral, it’s a big problem that she spoke to Trademark’s relatives but never once mentioned that she’d been talking to him on the phone the night he was killed. Crump said that nobody knew about the phone calls until Tracy “discovered” them on Mar 18, two weeks after the funeral. This is a problem too.

  4. sundance says:

    Considering the missing phone data, and considering Judge Nelson’s apparent niavety…… Reminder:


    • arkansasmimi says:

      You dah Man SD!!! WOLVERINES!!!!

    • allhail2 says:

      SD, mail call. Yeah, buddy.

    • hooson1st says:

      If ABC had the phone logs, would that be the logs from this phone in question where the ping data is missing?

      • John Galt says:

        The ABC phone logs came from a printout of Tracy Martin’s online T-Mobile account.

        My understanding from reading the motion to continue is that GPS data for at least a portion of 2/26/12 is missing from the report of the data extraction of the phone performed by Cellebrite in NJ. I am not sure whether the data is actually missing from the phone flash memory or merely missing from the report. I think they do have the ping logs from T-Mobile.

        • nettles18 says:

          I’m wondering if the missing information is being withheld. I initially thought what I was reading was the phone records for Feb. 26th are not on the phone but in reading it again, it was that the report is missing the data.

          I think back to W8’s audio taped conversation that the State sent to the defense and redacted the part that identifies W8 as a minor. While the information was always there, initially it was missing in the copy sent to the defense and they didn’t get a full copy until late September.

          It’s possible the State, for reason known only to them, has the Feb 26th information but has not provided it into the information sent to the defense.

          To think someone deleted the records for that day is just too disturbing, even for this group.

  5. ottawa925 says:

    Heads up to SD. Hannity had a segment on “deceptive editing” and mainly on NBC (again!!) editing coverage of the father testiying on the Sandy Hook shooting, and also talked about the Zimmerman case with examples. The show was last night … 1/30, so the video should be available today (I think).

    • Sharon says:


      In his discussion of their NBC’s most recent distortions, Ed Driscoll (PJM) references the NBC editing of the Zimmerman tapes… He’s listing all of their deceptive editing in 2012 and includes this:

      3. In April of last year, the “Today Show” was caught editing audio of a 9-1-1 call to make George Zimmerman look racist.

      • allhail2 says:

        Heard the whole thing today…yesterday, whenever. It was a great segment and I’m glad he brought that back up. Certainly, Beasley picked up on it and will just include it in their quiver. Kind of hard for NBC to claim isolated incident when there is a series of “unintentional” edits. Everyone I have talked to that is involved in any level of production say that ALL edits are intentional. They are done to achieve a desired effect. Looks like the NBC damage demand may have just had another zero added to it.

        • howie says:

          Sharpton is part of NBC.

          • arkansasmimi says:

            Yep and he and Bro Jesse gonna be guest speakers at the big hoedown supper!

            • jello333 says:

              I’m not sure about that. I don’t have the announcement in front of me right now, but if I remember right it listed them (and one other guy) as “honorees” or something. At the top, it only said something like, “Come and see Sybrina and Tracy”. Seems to me that if people as famous as Jesse and “Reverend” Al were gonna be there, the promoters would have made a bigger deal about it. And besides, both of them seem to have been trying to “back away slowly” from this case. ;)

      • eastern2western says:

        there nothing accidental about editing. first one must listen to the original, select the segment they wish to eliminate, cut the segment out, bring the two originals together then put some kind of transition to hide the editing effect. In this whole process, every thing is selective and nothing is accidental.

    • ottawa925 says:

      Guys … here is the segement on Hannity that deals with the deceptive editing and where GZ/Trayvon case is discussed also. No surprise to me it was Michelle Malkin’s crew that discovered the latest decption by NBC showing heckling during Sandy Hook father testimony.

  6. eastern2western says:

    I admire the cult of saint trayvon. despite the increasing evidence of a self defense case, the cult still firmly believes zimmerman will be convicted and angela corey is some avenger for all black people.

  7. justfactsplz says:

    I thank God, especially today, that the truth has no agenda and all of the scheme teams lies are finally going to be exposed. The prosecution knew that the Dee Dee narrative was false and they did nothing about it. They knew the phone call never took place.

  8. sundance says:

    Hey, I’m wide open to my fact supported thesis of this “DeeDee” thing being a total farse made up by Crump. But so far, nothing is deconstructing it. Quite the contrary, again yesterday with the latest filings by O’Mara about the reluctance to provide information, the deleted information, and the scheme team all lawyering up….. Well, this is gaining a more stable structure.


    I’m deadly serious about being wide open to changing direction based on new facts presented. But, with each new discovery, the current direction is just more confirmation.

    That said, I’m not spending more time posting highlight evidence/discovery posts just to prove an opinion I feel confident has already been satisfactorily proven (I am open to being convinced otherwise – not entrenched); and I’m certainly not going to write “I told you so” posts.

    However, I am willing to revise, retract or change if the facts presented support such approaches….. so again, I appreciatively and thankfully request your deconstruction of my current theories based on prior research because, well, quite frankly I have yet to see anything but confirmation.

    In the interim, I prefer to focus on aspects of the case that are outside the main spotlight of legal discovery…. The “why” was this persecution done, as opposed to the “what” of the persecution itself.

    The ‘Why’s’ sometimes cross paths with the ‘What’s’, but the distance between such occurances is too wide now, and again when evidenced such as in the recent defense filings, there is really nothing but solidification and confirmation.

    All of my recent FOIA’s, interviews, and research is into “why” the schemers were so confident they would get away with all the lies. What structural contingencies exist within the legal and political systems that provided the BGI confidence they could completely fabricate a case in 2013 against a man and get away with it……. That is what I have been spending my categorized and managed GZ time on.

    • allhail2 says:

      What gave the BGI confidence may not have been fully understood until Nov 2014. But now, with a few wrenches thrown in, what alliances, promises, etc are now destroyed? And what will the end result be? Again, I think the lead up to the Gov and AG election may provide for some better understanding. Or, perhaps, if the heat begins to get turned up on some key players, we may be able to connect the dots sooner than election time.

    • jello333 says:

      That last paragraph is kinda scary….

    • Lou says:

      because they use emotion of being a victim. I’m telling you whites must do the same thing. whites are REAL victims, as opposed to manufactured black victimhood. blacks may have been victims in the past, but their victimhood was pre-1860, while Jews were being thrown in oven in the 1940’s. whites have been targeted by blacks alot recently. until we show the truth, they will have the trump card and be the victims, while we know that they are mostly the aggressors. I think Delfino Mora is a perfect example of unarmed teens murdering a man. why is it whites move away from blacks? why do blacks want to attend white schools and be closer to whites?| why did Sybrina MArtin choose for Trayvon to attend a white school when she was clearly out of area? this is a crime and must be exposed. Sybrina needs to be exposed. if anyone can’t see she’s a fake with her 10 inch eyelashes they are naive.

      • tara says:

        Did later generations of non-Jewish Germans suffer any guilt about the persecution of Jews by their predecessors? Coddle and provide for the Jews? Treat them like dependent little babies?

    • diwataman says:

      I look at it the same way I do the three stooges in clearly there’s enough circumstantial evidence to justify further inquiry, though I’m not convinced on the DeDee thing and am not sure what the three stooges will amount to, however I’m finally quite satisfied at this point to see the defense actually following up along these lines.

    • sunnydaze77 says:

      This video speaks volumes to me, I truly believe AC charged Zimmerman to calm the AA community after the backlash from the Alexander case.

    • canadacan says:

      That says it all
      Political Frame Up of massive proportions in 2013
      I still believe in justice in America It’s going to be a long haul because of the mess but we’re going to get it
      George and family you have friends that never give up and never give in

      • howie says:

        George was expendable. His family was expendable. In a greater effort to tamp things down for the public good. Defusing the racial tensions. Calming things down. It required a team effort to diffuse the situation riled up by Crump, Sharpton, and the gang.

        • boutis says:

          So GZ is a political prisoner. And a scapegoat.

        • jello333 says:

          Yes, George was “expendable”. They wanted to destroy him, bury him, and claim victory. And it’s only because of his and his family’s amazingly strong will, the incredible work done by Mark and Don, and the dedication of people like Sundance and the Treehouse, that the Schemers are going to FAIL! Not only are they gonna fail in their persecution of George, they are gonna be brought down in the process. That’s right, scumbags: If you think we’re gonna be satisfied with just George being vindicated and exonerated…. WRONG! We here, and everyone else on George’s team, are not gonna rest until you have paid for what you’ve done.

          • Sharon says:

            George will still be expendable after this is over, no matter how it turns out, as long as Eric Holder is the face of DOJ.

            • John VI says:

              At the rate they are going, Id doubt that obama will still be president before they go to trial, let alone holder still on the job :(

              • Sharon says:

                That may be–but if the black grievance industry survives, things will go on in the same vein. The kind of garbage and deception and lawlessness that’s being played in this entire mess did not start with obama’s arrival, and unless something dramatic occurs in our nation to cause her to restore the rule of law, it won’t end with his departure.

                obama’s presence and priorities have certainly provided a surge of opportunity they would not have otherwise had, but the thing that has come to harvest in this mess grew from seeds planted decades ago.

                The reason I frequently return to the thought that it’s not about George and it’s not about obama is this: if folks believe it is about GZ and it is about obama, then they return to a false sense of security when GZ goes free and/or we get rid of obama.

        • woohoowee says:

          ” It required a team effort to diffuse the situation riled up by Crump, Sharpton, and the gang.”

          Can Wolfinger be deposed?

          • howie says:

            Maybe. I think it depends. If the defense is looking for admissible evidence.

            • woohoowee says:

              Schenck v United States is what I’m wondering about.

              • woohoowee says:

                Duh, obviously not a lawyer. It would be Brandenburg v Ohio.

                • howie says:

                  That sounds like an Ohio law. Florida has Rules of Procedure I think. So if there is relative information he has that might help the defense or lead to other information that might help the defense then I think yes he can. This will prolly be a later stage of the defense investigation of the scheme.

                  • woohoowee says:

                    Thanks for your insight on a possible deposition of Mr. Wolfinger, and apologies for failing to express my thoughts regarding Bradenberg v Ohio (I think this is the “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” standard). In an attempt to step back and look at the big picture, subsequent to reading your first response, I just typed in a thought with no explanation.

                    If my understanding of the law is correct (highly likely it isn’t :-) ) the State may subdue speech according to the “imminent danger” standard. What do these thoughts have to do with George? It goes back to Judge Lester’s tamping down. There is no State authority to violate George’s constitutional rights in order to tamp down a potentially explosive situation that *other people created*. George didn’t create anything.

                • howie says:

                  That is my opinion too. I wonder when he says “We are supposed to be tamping this down,” what is he talking about? Who is “we?”

      • justfactsplz says:

        Amen to that.

    • ejarra says:

      You may have read this in my rant over in:


      “One more point that’s been bothering me for a long time. Where is the PROOF that Mr. Martin talked to DD or any girl at 7:04 or at 7:12? I see no PROOF at all. That crap that was said by DD could have been fed to her in order to get an arrest. I want PROOF! I’ll bet the state can’t provide it and in fact ,once the ping logs come out, we may find that the person on the other end may not live anywhere near where DD was supposed to live.”

      It was a Pre-paid phone card with NO ownership attachment. Based on what DD1 and DD2 stated, there is NO WAY I believe that she had a conversation with MR. Martin at all. And for me, the final nail in this meme of DD2’s, was her answer to the phone number ownership. When BLDR asks if it is her number and her reply, “It is NOW.” That alone also implies that it wasn’t earlier. But, of course, BLDR chose NOT to ask that obvious next question because he was afraid he already knew the correct answer.


      • Lou says:

        pretty much sums it up ejarra. there isn’t any proof, and if the prosecution wants to enter proof into evidence the defense must be provided that proof as well. if not, that evidence can not be entered into court. I’m not savvy on law, but I do know this much.

      • howie says:

        A ping here, a ping there, a ping where there should be no ping. Changes in lattitude?

    • maggiemoowho says:

      After seeing what happened with Benghazi, the lies told by POTUS and company and the arrest of an innocent person, who still sits in a jail cell. I see how they think they can get away with this. They have the best, most experienced liars working and supporting them, including POTUS. Look at Hillary and Obama, we have video of them blaming a video, yet they claim they never said it was the video. Proven lies and the media backs them up. As that nut, Louis Farrakhan said, “this precious child is a nail in the coffin of White supremacy”.
      Sometimes I wonder if they even care if they get caught, nothing will happen to them because they have this entire “Black Movement” supporting them. Obama needed TM and even Alan Grayson used TM for everything he could to get the support of the TM

    • howie says:

      Start with some of the lesser known elements of the Civil Rights Act.

      • maggiemoowho says:

        The movement against the New Jim Crow?

        • maggiemoowho says:

          So because none of these people want to take responsibility for raising their kids, they want redistribution of wealth and blame the “white guy” for all their problems. They take zero responsibility for their own lives. One huge pitty party and this group decides to use a dead teen to push their agenda. They really feel that the SYG law is a law against the Black community. Unreal, but expected because it is Obama’s agenda also.
          Michelle Alexander author of “The New Jim Crow” and the Scheme team pushed this agenda in Detroit at that Peace and Justice award dinner.

          • tara says:

            Detroit is imploding, the last thing the residents need is an event to tell them that they are not responsible for their grim situation. At some point though they’ll have to realize that nobody is going to bail them out, all of the good people left and only the scammers and slackers remain.

            Go to a realty web site (like movoto) and look at the home prices in Detroit, they are truly astounding. The city is full of big once- and in some cases still-beautiful houses. Right now, the highest price for any property is $2.5 million, but it’s a giant restored mansion turned into a B&B which apparently failed. I remember investigating staying at this property when I was in Detroit for a concert, but I bypassed it because the area is awful. It doesn’t surprise me that few people wanted to stay there, it was probably a beautiful oasis in a ghetto desert. The next highest priced property is $585k, who knows what they’ll actually get for it, it’s been on the market for 199 days! Look at this beauty, listed at only $535k, it’s insane. http://www.movoto.com/mi/1900-strathcona-dr-detroit/841_212110374.htm (The furnishings lead me to believe that the place has been rented with a Section 8 subsidy.) The fact that there is only one single property over $1 million is very telling. This is far worse than Las Vegas’ precipitous housing crash.

            • maggiemoowho says:

              They will never admit to any responsiblity. Obama will fix everything for them. Read that article I posted (link) called The New Jim Crow Movement. It tells how they need to use TM’s story for their agenda. It is also Obama’s agenda. That article will fire you up. Also add what Jessie Jackson proposed today and it will really fire you up. It is no suprise that this movement is associated with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, not sane people at all.

    • Springstreet says:

      Sundance, Even after the recently erased phone, do you now agree with MOM that there is a police map of the GPS location(s) of Trayvon’s phone? If so, then could the selfsame police (lost?) map originator be deposed to see if Trayvon’s phone locations match those of DD and GZ’s? The reason I ask is simple (forget Beasley and all the Scheme Teamers) … if there was no chase : there is no case!
      After the 7/Eleven TM went somewhere for a half an hour … and I bet it wasn’t to stop in the woods, get wet and smoke some weed (because the residue would be all over (un)drenched clothing). I think the “map” will show TM went right back to the porch just like Chad must have told Brandi … and then he prepared for his assault and passed south to north (as seen by a witness) to attack GZ. The only remaining question is why.
      The next day GZ told friends at work that the person he saw at the cut-thru was tall and fidgety, BUT on the NEN call he never mentioned a really tall 6′-2″ intruder. WHY? I think in the dark through his rainy windshield he saw one hooded figure with a button (Chad … or the cousin?) BUT his later clothing descriptions don’t now match because he was knocked silly by a (different) hooded, buttoned Trayvon … in other words: two different people (in his rattled mind) became one. Time will tell.

      • John Galt says:

        “Even after the recently erased phone, do you now agree with MOM that there is a police map of the GPS location(s) of Trayvon’s phone? If so, then could the selfsame police (lost?) map originator be deposed to see if Trayvon’s phone locations match those of DD and GZ’s?”

        Even a map which fails to show Trayvon loitering at the “mail thing” would be very problematic for the DD story.

      • libby says:

        “if there was no chase : there is no case!”
        This bears repeating…repeatedly

    • hooson1st says:


      It may be that you can document the larger thesis about BGI, and I would be less cautious in my overall outlooks.

      So far, what I see, is overdone prosecution efforts goaded on by collective political pressure from different groups with different agendas. The BGI, the anti-gun people, and the anti-SYG crowd.

      All of this has been augmented by a lawyer combo for whom every bi-racial tragedy is a potential source of lucre.

    • diwataman says:

      Was it mentioned in the motion O’Mara wants the trial date moved to November? I guess I’ll have to go back and read as I must have missed it.

      “Spokesman Shawn Vincent said Zimmerman’s attorneys want his second-degree murder trial to be moved from June to November. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty.”

    • boutis says:

      From the AP: “Prosecutors did not immediately respond to emails and phone calls about the defense request.

      O’Mara said prosecutors had been slow to turn over evidence. As an example, he said someone from State Attorney’s Office had removed Martin’s cell phone from an evidence locker to have it sent to California for analysis, but the state has refused to give him any information about the agency and the type of tests being run on the phone. He also said prosecutors had made it difficult for O’Mara to get answers to administrative questions from a chief investigative agent and had refused to forward them other information on Martin and a witness.”

      Not the worst story from the AP although they did bury the lede on why a delay is necessary. Evidence being fiddled with and chief investigators refusing information looks bad. The prosecution is not talking, may have been caught flatfooted on the length, breadth, and detail of this motion. Also Crump wasn’t quoted for some reason. I think West/MOM may have ruined the memorial birthday party.

  9. metrometeor says:


    So, in the previous thread I responded to one of Jordan’s post with this (reposting for visibility):

    I just had the same idea, Jordan! Or atleast something similar.

    As you say, we can use the internet to create a positive viral awareness of George Zimmerman’s innocence and the state corruption! In fact I think we should.

    These are some sites I think should be targeted:
    4chan.org (a hateful site a don’t go to but has a lot of influence in the net, said to be frequented by anonymous…)
    (perhaps I’m missing others)
    These are the major pillars of the internet among youth at the moment, I think. These should be the major targets.

    Other minor targets should be whatever forums and blogs we happen to visit, regarding our hobbies or whatever the site is about. As long as it has a general section in its forums we can discuss it. We change our avatars and/or signatures to something GZ related and include a link.

    Another point is, what and how should we be posting? I think the treehouse needs to have an specialized article that summarizes everything (as much as the site is ripe with precious info, it can be hard for a newcomer to traverse).
    We should write a copy-pasta (a brief and concise summary regarding George’s current precarious position and plants the idea of the state corruption, adding in some emotional manipulation of course :D ), so that we can share it quickly and if we manage to convince someone then that person will share it quickly as well.

    We can also create memes and spread them across. Rumpole has made a good job with the jib jab videos but they need to be scene by the general public.

    These are all mostly random ideas that are popping in my mind just now but we can be unto something important here. If we manage to create a viral movement in favor of George then the tide will change completely and drown the schemers.

    We need some planning to make this happen!

    • metrometeor says:

      Some of the meme’s we could create could be using the crump “oh crap” picture after a picture of someone saying some insult or something snarky. We can also make some “mail thing” memes, about some character saying something like “I’ve had enough, im going to the mailthing!”. And of course something involving the cockatoo… (Some picture of Osama Bin Laden or Hitler next to the cockatoo.) Of course we would need memes about the TrayFamily itself, and about Trayvon supporters being deranged.

      I now this sounds pretty silly but if this kind of pictures start going around the scheme team would start losing credibility fast among some circles, and chances are they would like to find more about the meme itself, and reading about its origins in meme databases will further spread info about the case.

      Forcing memes can be a hard thing if done in a transparent manner, so it should be handled with good planning.

      Of course, memes are just a tool of virulization.

    • metrometeor says:

      I forgot. Some other sites that should be targeted:
      Something Awful
      You are the man now dog

      I’d wager this are of medium importance.

      So if anyone is interested this is more or less a to-do list of what I have in mind:

      *Create a summary page for newcomers, sticky it to the top of the page.
      *Write the copypasta about the case (3 or 4 paragraphs at most). I think I will try writing it but if someone else tries as well then awesome, more versions the better. Should contain a link to the page above.
      *Copy said copypasta in forums we visit.
      *Create and disseminate memes (I have a feeling Rumpole and Ad Rem would be particularly good at this…)

      The hard parts are the second too points. I don’t have experience making something go viral but I know that if the meme feels forced then it will be rejected rapidly, and in forums we might get met by opposition…

      Sorry for blathering so much. But I feel if pulling something like this off could be extremely important.
      The Treehouse isn’t too much into targeting other sites or trying to establish PR memes in others’ territory. A project of this size with these goals probably needs to be presented to Sundance, the owner of the site. –Admin

  10. rumpole2 says:

    Daily Daft Posts from Justarse Quest

    Well…. with all the important news released yesterday you might expect that the JQ Sewer would be awash with activity?

    At the very least they would be busy denying, downplaying… explaining away perhaps?

    But No.

    The self appointed JQ Legal expert (Ex Law office toilet cleaning woman, Teeto) did claim to have read the documents.
    (The worker cretins usually don’t read documents they wait like baby birds for the alpha cretins to feed them tid bits).
    She pronounced “nothing to see here… nothing of importance”
    A worker cretin posted a short expletive in solidarity, and little else was said about the documents released yesterday.

    They were very animated about Georges finances and still mentioned RZ’s tweets

    And unbelievably, they are back on the dubious claims of witness #9 (George’s cousin)
    Which for the most part is unsubstantiated nonsense and not relevant to this case besides.

    They spent more time discussing ME than yesterday’s documents. :D

    Naturally they did read on here at CTH yesterday….past my warning for them to not do so…. We all knew they would… they are dopes, and predictable dopes at that.

    Random Topics


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  11. Sha says:

    George and Family You are never alone…. You have alot of people who care about you.

    • Sha says:

      Zimmerman Defense Fund Receives Renewed Support
      In less than 24 hours, the updated GZDefenseFund.com website has raised more than $5,200 from more than 160 individuals. Thank you for your support. These contributions represent a strong start to this new effort to fund the next phase of the defense. It also demonstrates there are still people out there who feel passionately enough about George’s right to a fair trial that they are willing to contribute their hard-earned money.

      One person who donated $1.00 included this message: “I’m sure every dollar helps and I wish I could do more – but I’m struggling to keep a roof over my head.” As we make decisions on how to best allocate funds, we are going to consider the value this dollar, and every dollar, had for the donor.

      If you decide to contribute to the defense fund, we encourage you to include a comment as well. Soon we will begin publishing (anonymously, of course) those comments on this web page.

      • Sha says:

        I forgot to put…. This is from the GZ legalcase sight.

      • tara says:

        I will be donating again. This case is an outrage. Now I’m not just donating for one innocent person’s cause, I’m donating for justice!

      • AghastInFL says:

        Many of us regularly read, comment and quote from TalkLeft and Jeralyn Merritt she has a new post appropriately titled “George’s Depression and Weight Gain: How can you Help?” it gives heartfelt impetus to donate what you can:

        O’Mara on the wESH tv interview with O’Mara Last night: He said george is much heavier than last time, he’s gained over 100 pounds since his last release on bail.
        He is housebound, can’t get a job and has the threat of a double digit sentence hanging over him. I think that’s very sad. My suggestion to cheer him up: Send him $5. We all waste that amount on things we don’t really need every day. Stick in an envelope and mail to him. Reading the media, he doesn’t see that anyone but the TreeHouse is standing by his right to a fair trial. Those envelopes may help him realize that not everyone has thrown him under the bus. It may make him feel better and eat lest It’s certainly a worthy expenditure. Weight is much harder to take off than put on.

        • Sha says:

          I think that was nice of her to write that . I gave George a donation because my heart goes out to him and his family. When things get hard for me …. I always repeat to myself This to shall pass and it does . :)

  12. leander22 says:

    GPS not GPR, typo. Curious by nature anyway. ;)

  13. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    Does anyone know if “DD’s” phone records have been checked? Even if TM’s records have been erased, wouldn’t her records show whether she was talking to TM when she claims she was?

    • howie says:

      Importantly, where is her actual phone itself? When asked she says the number should be hers “now.” This seems to indicate it was not at the time of the phone calls in question. The phone number started out as a Metro number and somehow ended up as a T-mobile number. Who knows about the actual phone.

      • selfdefenseadvocate says:

        I feel certain that the defense team is checking all of this regarding “DD’s” cell phone, or trying to get past Prosecution road blocks to find answers. It infuriates me as a Florida tax payer to see how Corey and her other stooges are stalling and wasting millions of tax payer dollars to prosecute a case with no evidence that a crime was even committed by the defendant. The lazy judge with the dirty hair under her cheap wig is just as political and biased as the judge that they got rid of. This case has been about politics and eventual civil litigation for money for politicians’ cronies from the git go. The election is over and it is time for the state to stop pandering to “milligating” political groups and follow Florida law to protect the defendant’s rights and stop wasting tax payer money. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, Rick Scott, Pam Bondi and Angela Corey!

        • howie says:

          The state still seems bent on its course. See the new order reauthorizing the special prosecutor and including Shellie in the authorization. This seems to me to indicate her lawyer was correct in his motion re the SP not having jurisdiction to charge her with perjury.

      • mommakk51 says:

        That’s pretty interesting considering that the first time I saw “Sxbrina’s” facebook, her photos were all uploaded from a phone, and instead of showing a photo, it showed the Metro PCS image. There may still be a few showing.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Musical phones. A phone here, a phone there.

  14. boutis says:

    Send GZ some bucks now. http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2299.msg105830/topicseen.html#msg105830
    I totally agree with Ms Merritt. A quick infusion of cash will raise GZ and the defense team’s spirit. The amount doesn’t matter. This is a long and daunting fight.

    • howie says:

      Me too. But I hope he gets declared indigent so the state has to pay.

      • boutis says:

        Yes but he would still need living expenses. And would the state have to provide his security since he gets so many threats? They might start investigating them if they were costing the state money.

  15. diwataman says:

    Crap, I forget where I saw this recently come up again and wanted to say this so I’ll just bring it up here. People, including myself, wonder if Trayvon made it home that night, not just “right by his daddy house” like DeeDee says but at least to the actual back porch door if not inside. Myself I don’t think he went inside but what always comes up in this conversation is what Brandy said;

    @1:12 “He don’t know anybody here, he just came down here, he was bored so he walked to the store, he was on his way back home, I’m living down here[points towards home], he was sitting out on the porch, and this man killed him? are you serious?”

    But I think what Tracy said is even more convincing than what Brandy said;

    @0:36 “I don’t know the exact path he took but he did come in that back gate and I knew he was going to the back of the house, he was sitting out there.”

    But even more than that is that these are two separate statements by two separate people at two different times. Both Tracy and Brandy appear to be under the impression that Trayvon made it to the back porch and the incident started from there. The question is why would they be under that impression? There are only two explanations I can think of. Chad saw Trayvon come back and may even have had something to say to each other and/or Trayvon dropped something off on the back porch that would give the impression that he had been there, I believe the conventional wisdom being some weed and probably the cigarillos he got from the three stooges, something he didn’t want to get caught with when going back to see what this guys problem was just in case he might have happened to security of some sort or a cop.

    This is something I’d like to see investigated and since the try-vo-nits know that O’Mara works for us I hope to hear something soon on that, lolz.

    • ejarra says:

      Let’s say you are correct, for arguements sake, and Mr. Martin made it back to Brandi’s. Also, let’s say that there is evidence of that. Why would he not leave the can of Watermelon drink and bag there too. (there goes ejarra and that can/bag theory again) If true, can you say weapon? Pre-meditated attack?

    • howie says:

      If he got a ride to the back gate instead of walking then the timeline is altered. It is only a couple minutes by car from the 7-11 to the back gate.

      • John Galt says:

        Maybe Trayvon and the 3 stooges were doing roof hits in a car. Choom Gang 2, son of Obama.

      • John Galt says:

        Of course any video or cell phone GPS / ping data evidencing TM riding in a car home from 7-11 nukes the DD story.

        • jello333 says:

          You know, it just dawned on me. This misconduct by the prosecution and Crump will NOT be able to be swept under a rug once George is granted immunity or the case is dismissed. Up till now, I had been screaming about it from OUR point of view. Those of us who want the conspirators punished for what they’ve done… we’ve said that George’s exoneration shouldn’t be the end of it. But now that I think about it, it might not even matter what WE want. Even if we were to get all kumbaya and say, let bygones be bygones, there would still be screaming. You know why? Because those in the lynch mob, the ones who hate George… THOSE people would demand to know what happened. And so someone would have to explain it. If the prosecution tries to get away with, “Eh, we were just wrong, that’s all”, no WAY will the Haterz be satisfied with that. They’d want to know exactly what is going on. And it seems to me that the evidence of the conspiracy — at least how Crump and others constructed the whole Dee Dee set of lies — would HAVE to be publicly disclosed. People are going to demand to know what happened. If not us, the Haterz will. And I have a feeling they will NOT like what they hear.

      • mommakk51 says:

        Sorry to jump in here, but I need some clarification on the gates. All this time, I’ve been thinking the gate across from Bentley Elementary was the main gate, and the one facing S. Oregon was the back entrance.. HELP! tia!

        • jello333 says:

          Yeah, the one on the north side is the “front” gate, and the one on the south-east is the “back” gate (or “entrance” as George called it).

    • Springstreet says:

      diwataman, The police watched four hours of surveillance tapes from the neighboring businesses and said they found nothing of interest. I assume this means they did not see a hooded Trayvon at any point. Your link shows Tracy “knowing” TM came in the back gate to get to the back porch. Is the logical explanation that: TM was given a ride to and from the 7/Eleven and since Chad and the cousin are Tracy’s only possible sources, does that tell us something more about TM’s movements and intentions?

      • John Galt says:

        “The police watched four hours of surveillance tapes from the neighboring businesses and said they found nothing of interest.”

        They didn’t find anything of interest about the 3 stooges either. I suspect “nothing of interest” means they found no evidence to use against GZ.

        • howie says:

          Or nothing showing T-con walking home when the state theory and DD says he should have been in the video. What is not there could be as important as what is there.

      • ottawa925 says:

        well, wasn’t it raining when Trayvon WENT to the 7-Eleven? If so, did he look wet in any way (probably look at pants) on the video from 7-Eleven? Or did it only start to rain AFTER he left the 7-Eleven? If it WAS raining, and his clothes show no evidence of being wet, spots or whatever, then it is possible he got a ride to the 7-Eleven.

        • howie says:

          There could have been a car off camera at the 7-11 that he was in. Ya never know.

          • justfactsplz says:

            We were at the Sams today in Sanford. My husband goes into that 7-11 to get his big gulp diet cokes. He said the cameras are not set up in a way to take the video as shown. He only saw one camera and it did not take video or pictures from than angle. Also that video shows zooming in. Did not know those cameras were capable of doing that.

            • AghastInFL says:

              Actually that Sam’s has multiple camera pods each pod has several cameras with different POV there is also signage indicating “camera in use” there are pods on every corner of the Sam’s Bldg and the SE pod has a camera trained directly toward the rear parking area of the 7/11.

              • justfactsplz says:

                I’m sorry I was unclear. I am talking about inside the seven eleven store itself.

                • AghastInFL says:

                  Gotcha, and fully understood on second glance, I was just thinking in terms of the recent defense requests for video surveillance.

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    The Sams video tapes are important too I would think. I just have major reservations about the 7-11 video and it’s authenticity.

        • dexter says:

          That’s what’s been bothering me fopr months. There’s a little moisture on Trayvon’s pants cuffs, as if he had stepped in a puddle, but otherwise, Trayvon’s clothes appear to be completely dry at the 7-11.

      • debfrmhell says:

        The one thing I feel a need to point out is that Tracy Martin was actually pointing toward the main entrance during that interview (:40) while saying back gate. I suspect he always used the back entrance when going to the Green TH since it is very close to that one and it has easier access to freeways.

    • hooson1st says:

      good points dman

    • arkansasmimi says:

      By that theory, which sounds poss to me. Chad may have figured that TM was the CAUSE of the cops there. that he did something to GZ, and thats why Traydad called the Juvie people first. That makes sense to me if so.

    • tara says:

      AHHH! I remembered that Brandy had said something about Trademark sitting on the porch. I was completely unaware that Tracy said it too!!! What the heck is going on here???? Chad was, allegedly, blissfully unaware of any goings on. Chad told investigators that he called Trademark when Trademark was still out. Trademark told Chad that he was on the way back to Brandy’s. Chad said he didn’t hear any of the fight or gunshot because he was in a front room playing a video game with headphones on. So how the hell do Brandy and Tracy come up with the porch thing? Who told them that Trademark was on the porch????????

      CHAD, if it was you, I’m extremely disappointed in you! I thought you were OK, please don’t prove me wrong.

  16. Lou says:

    most importantly, why isn’t MOM posting the more recent pic of TM on the website? I read somewhere that it was officially released.

  17. diwataman says:

    I hate when you write like a long post and it goes directly to spam, lolz.

    • maggiemoowho says:

      What causes spam? Never understood it, but the Admins here pulled me out of Spam Hell a few times.

      • diwataman says:

        Well, it could be a lot of things really. There’s some automatic stuff included with WordPress to counter spam and if you have the paid account you can add add-on’s as well to help catch things. There’s also settings regarding comment that may effect it as well. I have two links to videos in that comment which may have done it. I don’t know if there’s a way to tell why a particular comment was caught unless it’s obviously spam but that would be a nice add-on, something that indicates they why of it and highlights the particular area of the comment the system thinks is spam.

  18. Sayers says:

    George Zimmerman has gained over 100 pounds in less than 6 months.. and you all still yammer on about racist games. Don’t you understand that George’s life may be in peril?

    • maggiemoowho says:

      George Zimmermans weight is nobodies business but George Zimmermans.

    • John Galt says:

      Perhaps pharmaceutical poisoning. Some anti-depressants are known to cause weight gain. Exercise & self-control typically bring better results, IMHO.

    • Sharon says:

      The analyses that CTH commenters are pursuing have to do with the legal side of things. The concern they have for George’s life certainly includes his physical health, but the last thing George needs is a daily internet thread discussing his weight.

      Based on the ongoing threats against George and the daily threats of physical harm against the Treehouse, the threats will not end when the case is over regardless of outcome, and that won’t have anything to do with George’s weight, either.

      There’s a larger battle going on here–a much larger battle–and it is to our own peril if we don’t recognize that..

  19. kobeclan says:

    I believe I just had a BFO (Blinding Flash of the Obvious)!

    None of the DDs could have talked to TM after he put the earbuds in his pocket! (Of course, this just proves Sundance is right, but I already knew that). Also helps explain why the Flash memory from that day “disappeared”. BDLE is moving Hell and high water to try to prevent the truth from coming out.

    Also, in reading the latest motion to continue, on page 11, item 6, it states, that, on Jan 9, 2013. at a meeting with the FDLE, MOM learned about an undisclosed “map created by an FDLE analyst showing the whereabouts of Trayvon Martin’s phone during the hours of February 26, 2012″!!!
    HOLY Brady Rule, BATMAN!! I know it cannot be 100% accurate, but depending on the locations of the nearby towers, it can be pretty damn close.

    So the prosecution knows TM’s approximate path and timeline that night. And didn’t share it.

    Imagine that!

    • howie says:

      Their plan of persecution starts at the sighting of the T-con. They must have blinders as far as anything prior to that moment in order to perpetrate the charge. They must avoid any evidence prior to that like the plague. Evidence avoidance is key to the case.

    • John Galt says:

      “I know it cannot be 100% accurate”

      Why not? Does the phone transmit the GPS data to the carrier?

      • kobeclan says:

        My Knowledge isn’t current. You could be right.

        • John Galt says:

          I can’t be “right” because I don’t know, lol. Google tells me that the T-Mobile Comet is equipped with GPS and GPS-A.

          • waltherppk says:

            Yeah and it is a particularly accurate GPS implementation which even beats top of the line Motorola. It is extremely accurate GPS, if you were checking mailboxes along the street it would give you the address on every one, and how many feet apart they are.

            • John Galt says:

              Does the phone transmist GPS data back to T-Mobile such that the GPS data stored on the phone memory would also be in T-Mobile’s database?

              • waltherppk says:

                Yeah I am pretty sure that is how it works. There is a user app that will even show onscreen on the phone the travel track and some guys took a scooter ride and it mapped their path on the streets overlayed on a google aerial view with perfect accuracy. Same model of phone in the same time frame was field tested for GPS precision and it was excellent.

                • ottawa925 says:

                  Wow. So this map that Mom recently acquired, would it show this? Cause this is what we are looking for … exact path that TM took, including when he went and hid from GZ in order to attack from behind like GZ said.

                  • waltherppk says:

                    I don’t think O’Mara has the map. The map has been suppressed and O’Mara wants the map produced like the law says it should have been produced. Concealing evidence is a felony in Florida, not just a “discovery rule violation”. Fat chance anybody will be prosecuted because Florida does this crap routinely, not following its own laws. People have to make a federal case out of it to get Florida to play by the rules.

        • howie says:

          If the road runs East and West and he was walking along it the lattitude number would remain constant while the longitude number clicked down. Then if he walked to the South the longitude would remain constant while the lattitude number clicked down. By fixing the numbers at different times a path can be created by simply connecting the dots. If that information was in the phone and has now gone missing it is serious.

      • howie says:

        It could show longitude changes in sequence. Also lattitude in sequence. If some pings are east of twin lakes it would indicate a different path. Also if some are too far south at a certain time in the timeline like at Brandy’s house instead of up on the road walking home.

      • waltherppk says:

        I believe the FDLE had already mapped the phone locations to within a meter when they made their map showing the transit of the subjects involved, not only Martin but also Zimmerman and the map has been suppressed because it is known it is Brady Material of a profound nature which substantiates the account of Zimmerman and completely discredits the prosecution theory, and exposes a malicious prosecution. O’Mara already knows this and is using the continuance motion as a means of publishing this knowledge to everyone involved. A case dismissal is being glimpsed on the horizon with some lawsuits to follow that very quickly. Florida is soooooo screwed. And they know it.

        • howie says:

          If it is, then the state has to give it up or be in danger of losing the case. I am not sure about the timing. But I think if the defense asks for it specifically, they have to give it on the quick. Or get in trouble.

          • waltherppk says:

            It aint over till the fat lady sings …so where is Angela Corey …..make it a duet with Pam Bondi. Sing girls, er uh “lassies” …sing :D

            • rumpole2 says:

              Hi Walther… long time no cross paths. :D
              Guess what? With “Missing” phone data what we really need right now is…..

              THE PING LOGS.

              What is wrong with everybody involved in this case… first the Ping Logs…. just to verify phone were operating as people claim (if nothing else). Then analysis of phone content, billing records etc.
              This is basic kindergarten stuff in cases these days…. PING LOGS… is not rocket science.
              This case involves the Accused, The Deceased and The Star Witness ALL on phones before and right up to the central incident. This is about as clear a case as you can imagine where PING LOGS are are a foundation.
              Where are the damned Ping logs?!!

              • John Galt says:

                “Where are the damned Ping logs?!!”

                I was thinking that they have been provided to the defense, but they are maintained confidential as phone records pursuant to Lester’s order.

                • waltherppk says:

                  Redacted phone records could be published with no problem, if those records had been produced. From the continuance motion it seems clear the phone records of particular interest have been selectively and unlawfully suppressed.

                • howie says:

                  The defense needs the report, or probably already has it of Zimmerman’s phone. It will show where he was and can be matched to his account’s. You can even ping your own phone I have found out. http://www.ehow.com/how_7687792_ping-cellular-phone.html

                  I also came across this on the web by someone who works in the biz about another case.

                  Cell phone carriers most certainly log those “pings”. I should know, I work on the databases that log these records. I’m not sure about other companies, but ours keeps these records online for about 6 months. But we can go back 1 year on tape. Furthermore, if any of these phones made a call, we have a CDR (Call Data Record) that will record information about the call (Location, time in call, number called, etc..). Some of the newer phones even receive/transmit GPS signals to the tower. This is used primarily for 911, but it’s called “Location Based Services”. Some advertising companies have expressed interest. We can pin point down to a couple of feet, from what I hear in the field.

                  • John Galt says:

                    “Some of the newer phones even receive/transmit GPS signals to the tower. This is used primarily for 911, but it’s called “Location Based Services”. Some advertising companies have expressed interest. We can pin point down to a couple of feet, from what I hear in the field.”

                    A map with that info for Trayvon’s phone would be a nice Christmas present for Natalie.

                  • jello333 says:

                    “Some advertising companies have expressed interest [in the GPS capability of cell phones].”

                    Ah, now that is just hilarious.

                    Incoming text message: “Hi Bob, did you know you’re only 2 blocks from Taco Bell? Just ahead, on your left. Why not stop in and try out new Not-Even-Close-to-Authentic Taco!”

              • waltherppk says:

                Yeah that wheel has been squeaking and needing grease for a long long time huh ?
                Maybe it will wring the axle off before anybody notices the hub is on fire and setting the whole prairie ablaze.

        • howie says:

          Another thought is that Omara may not want to file a motion to dismiss. He may rather just keep hitting away with his discovery until the state cries uncle, or the judge finally has enough of it. If dismissed on his motion the state could re-file other charges or write up a new information.

          • waltherppk says:

            So long as criminal discovery leads to information useful in any contemplated civil action it is a strategic “dual use” and O’Mara should definitely exploit that to the fullest, while watching the opposition squirm about all the liability to which the squirmers are being exposed. Payback’s a bitch aint it. Well that’s how the cookie crumbles. They wanted to play hardball….so game on.

            • Ironic that the State will be itching for a dismissal, while the defense wants to continue the case, huh?

              • waltherppk says:

                At some point it is going to get hot in the kitchen and certain people are going to be looking for an exit. O’Mara should nail all the doors shut, and then cook a big old pot of Peruvian chili, Sanford style.

              • jello333 says:

                Yep, some of us have been saying that for a few months now. And someone (Howie maybe?) has been calling it a reverse RICO investigation. That’s actually a pretty good description I think. The defense team is now the prosecution, and the prosecutors and their buddies are now trying to hide. Their main concern is no longer trying to convict George…. they know that’s out the window. Now they’re trying to figure out how to cover themselves.

                • hooson1st says:

                  Prosecutors have broad grants of immunity. Even when courts have ruled that they have committed fraud, nothing happens. Count on it.

          • John Galt says:

            Perhaps MOM / West prefer to continue the RICO investigation with the assistance of the judge.

        • rumpole2 says:

          Where do we go from here? The Games People play.

          • waltherppk says:

            I think I hear a fat lady duet already doing concert rehearsals, but with a blonde involved, probably a lyrics translator will be needed to make any sense of their song in plain English.

        • ottawa925 says:

          OMG, I hope you are right !!!

          • waltherppk says:

            I hope so too. ..because that GPS based map would make this whole case like one of those old Paul Harvey “Now you know the rest of the story” kind of scenarios.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        JG, wasnt the carrier in Cali? I remb the CHump phone record, and there was a discussion on the time being a diff time zone.

    • selfdefenseadvocate says:

      Excellent post, kobeclan! Love your picture perfect down to earth descriptive analysis! :lol:

    • justfactsplz says:

      They words there are “the wherabouts of Trayvon’s phone. I emphasize Trayvon’s phone.

  20. kobeclan says:

    I believe that a motion to dismiss the charges, if filed by MOM, is a certainty to be granted.
    Team George appears to have laid the groundwork to prove there was no conversation between
    TM and ANYBODY during the TM-GZ confrontation. The charging document, if there in no DD-TM phone call, is a fraudulent document, or at least more fraudulent. I don’t think even Judge Nelson could deny a motion to dismiss (although I’ve been wrong before).

    My question then is whether Team George even asks for dismissal, or just stands pat til an immunity hearing is held. The latter choice would establish civil immunity for George but the former is, in my opinion, more likely to be successful.

    • tara says:

      If it would be Nelson who would grant or deny the motion to dismiss, then they might as well hold out for the immunity hearing. She might actually prefer that. It will be available for public viewing, right? All of the evidence will be mapped out, GZ’s defense team will explain the prosecution’s farce. All of the ignorant people will have a chance to be enlightened. Only the die hard dummies won’t be swayed by the presentation.

  21. partyof0 says:

    “Accidental erasure” of phone records happen all the time…..eeerrrright Judge? It’s just about something that might get a “killer” off….just a minor gliche…let us continue with the facts as stated by the major media factions in the very beginning….besides…..the Supreme Court said it is freedom of speech to lie…

    “In the 1964 Supreme Court case New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a city commissioner in Montgomery, Ala., sued the New York Times for defamation. The newspaper had recently run a full-page ad accusing him of trying to sabotage Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s campaign for racial integration in the South by arresting him. The Supreme Court sided with the Times, establishing the standard that all statements about the conduct of public officials are protected, even false ones. The only exception is when the statement is made with malice – in other words, when the person making the statement knows it’s a lie and doesn’t care”

    Except for the “Stolen Valor Act”…mean widdle crump and mean ole media moguls didn’t know their lies wern’t true….so they get off scott free…

    I hopes mah cynicism is wrong….though………Power to you George Z.

  22. eastern2western says:

    I just want to show that I came up with the magical head phone question 6 months ago, but I had nothing to confirm my theory. with the latest developments, it seems to me the prosecution is desperately trying to hide all cellular data of the day of the shooting. Lets hope nelson is smart enough to understand the tek behind gps location to force the prosecution into releasing the gps map.

  23. hooson1st says:

    Why would the prosecution “desperately try to hid all the cellular data of the day of the shooting”?

  24. LetJusticePrevail says:

    OK Treepers: I have a research request!

    I already know that witness 13 was the person who took the photo of George Zimmerman’s bloody head on the night of 2/26, and I also know that he did NOT give that photo to investigators until he was interviewed by the FDLE and SAO on 3/20. My question is this:


  25. John Galt says:

    No word from Scheme Team ?

  26. LetJusticePrevail says:

    I see that the defense team filed a new Motion for Specific Discovery today. He has asked the state to specifically provide:

    1) Twitter and Facebook information for the deceased and for Wit 8
    2) The information regarding the disclosure of Witness 8’s identity to the State
    3) The particulars regarding the cellphone analysis done in California

    • John Galt says:

      Why didn’t they demand the GPS map?

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        From the tone and content of the Motion, it appears that he is building a case for a Richardson Hearing or, at the very least, trying to ferret out more specific information about HOW the prosecutors FIRST heard about the existence of DeeDee, to establish a chain of custody for the phone itself, and to protest the prosecutions REFUSAL to provide the facebook “handles” of DeeDee and Trayvon.

      • kobeclan says:

        “You want that too?”

        Sorry! Couldn’t help myself. Good question. Lots going on and I think Team George is not quite done.. I believe they have until end of day tomorrow for more motions.

        I like them dumping all of this now. BDLE must be pulling out what little hair he has left.
        Probably should cancel his Super Bowl Party plans.

  27. Ricky Jimenez says:

    I just don’t get it. If Zimmerman’s and Martin’s motions could be mapped within 10 feet while they were on the phone, wouldn’t this case have been over a long time ago? How could the Florida investigators not know that?

    • brutalhonesty says:

      Because NOBLE was pressuring them not to know it. It was never a fact finding mission. It was a modern day lynching.

    • Sharon says:

      There is no reason to assume the Florida investigators did not know that.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Ricky – If that “Heart” phone (flash drive) had been properly “dumped” and reviewed in April – the defense would have found out that 1) the battery was DEAD in the last 40 minutes, and DeeDee was talking to nothing, or 2) The “memory” of the flash-memory was “wiped” intentionally to hide WHO WAS TALKING TO WHO. This case STINKS of prosecution malfeasance and worse. I it loaded with witness tampering, coaching the witness, depositions taken IN A PRIVATE HOME. This is a political attempted LYNCHING of a honest Hispanic who did nothing wrong, except to defend his life when his head was being smashed into the cement by an insane 17 year-old high on drugs.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Investigators knew that Trayvon was not on the phone.

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Just-Facts – Since they knew that Trayvon could not be taking on the phone – they know that Bernie-Crump-DeeDee are lying through their teeth. Hells bells, most “techies” KNOW that if the Cell was “dead”, it must have been dead for at least one critical hour. The fact that “flash memory” was blank – is direct proof for that fact. DeeDee is lying – there is no “ear witness” at all. The STATE is proven to be lying and coaching the witness.

          • justfactsplz says:

            The state is picking and choosing what evidence they release to the defense. Lool how long it took them to send the color photo of George, and they still have not provided the original tape of Dee Dee and the recorder.

  28. ottawa925 says:

    Way up on this thread I posted the Hannity Segment from last night on NBC’s deceptive editing, when they edited tape claiming father at Sandy Hook was heckeled by gun rights activists. Go back up and watch if you haven’t seen it cause it talks about the Zimmerman case too.

    My question: Could this latest deceptive editing be used in MOM’s suit filed against NBC as another example of how they deliberately edit to take things out of context in order to present a certain message to those that view it? I mean it would be something NBC did AFTER MOM filed suit, and not about the Zimmerman case, but lets’ face it, it does demonstrate that NBC deliberately does this and it is NO accident. With a suit in their lap why does NBC continue to act in this manner? It’s a damn shame how low mainstream journalism has sunk.

    • John Galt says:

      “Could this latest deceptive editing be used in MOM’s suit filed against NBC as another example of how they deliberately edit to take things out of context in order to present a certain message to those that view it?”

      Interesting question, dunno. Would have to research Florida law with respect to admissibility of evidence of a pattern of misconduct, most likely with respect to determining punitive damages. The argument would be that since they do this all the time, a large punitive damage award is necessary to deter them from similar conduct in the future.

    • jello333 says:

      Regarding the fact that stuff from the 26th — and ONLY that day — is missing:

      “Maybe it’s coincidence, but I’m way past (believing it’s) coincidence,” O’Mara said.

      Yay MOM!

      • arkansasmimi says:

        Excuse me for this, as I am confused. Do we know if the 26 stuff IS MISSING FROM THE PHONE, or was the REPORTS FOR THE 26 MISSING FROM STUFF TURNED OVER TO Omara?

  29. menostupid says:

    OOPS Ejarra!! I was too slow LOL

  30. freedom says:

    I do not think that Mom and West want this case dismissed. I think that they are just gathering information for all the civil cases that are sure to follow. I am sure that there is information that they can collect from a criminal case that would be off limits in a civil case.

  31. mung says:

    Latest Click Orlando nonsense.
    Tre Anthony • an hour ago

    The information recovered from Trayvon’s phone shows a VIDEO that TM made showing GZ trying to DETAIN him. The whole incident was caught on TM’s cell phone. And the GZ is not entitled to that evidence because it’s not exculpatory evidence. They sent the phone out to California where the manufacture could retrieve that data. O’Mara wants it but he can’t get it. So the prosecutor told him that his eyes may shine, his teeth may grit, but information from Trayvon’s phone he shall not get.

    • waltherppk says:

      Complete bullcrap ……Brady requires disclosure of no only exculpatory information but also inculpatory information. To fail to provide disclosure of either type of evidences prejudices the defense preparation for trial and denies ability to challenge evidence in advance of trial. It can’t be done to suppress evidence of whatever nature in the way that regular einstein at click orlando is proposing. No way, no how, nada on that scenario.

      • John Galt says:

        “Complete bullcrap……Brady requires disclosure”

        There is also Rule 3.220. Very poetic, though.

        • waltherppk says:

          Yeah there is also case law in Florida that says the defense is not expected nor has any requirement to do any search and find kind of discovery looking for information which the state already has but has failed to share as is its duty specified under rule 3.220 and Brady. If the state plays games or fails with the state’s discovery disclosure duty then if a conviction occurs it can be overturned on appeal because the state did not play by the rules.

    • Can’t wait until the “Tre’s” of the world see what is likely on TM’s cell phone video-wise. Get some popcorn

    • eastern2western says:

      so, his logic is that trayvon was filming zimmerman while he was being detained by zimmerman. ha, ha, trayvon must be one flexible dude who can turn his back to film zimmerman while he is running away from him. too funny concept. cult of saint trayvon is awsome.

    • MJW says:

      The recording would have to be turned over in discovery. See, for example, Joubert v. State, 847 So. 2d 1056 (Fla. 3rd DCA 2003), where a conviction was reversed because a video recording used in the trial had not been given to the defense.

  32. menostupid says:

    Thats what ive been thinking too Freedom..I think the poo is about to hit the fan! This has gone on long enough and as a FloriDUH resident im OUTRAGED at the fact that our $$ is being wasted on this crap!

  33. mung says:

    The hits keep coming :)

    From the Leathercult leader:
    When I worked on the Green River Killer case in Seattle (we had a team of 8 lawyers, 5 investigators, 20 experts and and numerous support staff), we hired a software firm to code over a million pages of discovery stored in an airplane hanger that the prosecution converted into electronic images using scanners. They also imaged over a million exhibits.

    Whaaa? He was involved with Green River? Really? If that is the case why is he not mentioned in ANY of the many stories, movies, TV shows, etc?

    • arkansasmimi says:

      LMBO~~ Dreams big huh! And lol have you ever googled him> Makes you laugh even harder knowing about the truth of him then seeing the Leatherheads fawn over him!

    • mung says:

      There are a couple of websites that quote him as being the attorney, but he sure wasn’t on the Discovery show I watched.

    • John Galt says:

      Congratulations on helping to save the most prolific serial killer in US history from the death penalty.

    • yankeeintx says:

      Funny that all of his followers think he is the greatest legal mind walking the earth. They haven’t stop to consider why he survives by digging for his food out of a dumpster. After a 30 year career, couldn’t afford to hire a lawyer for his wife. He likes to insult O’Mara who still has a license to practice law.

  34. mung says:

    Depending on the excuses the state comes up with at the next hearing, we should probably think about drafting a well though out and factual letter to start sending to our congressmen, senators, and anyone else in power, demanding an investigation into the corruption of the state on this case.

    • kobeclan says:

      If the information coming out achieves critical mass, the politicians at the top of the food chain, especially Gov. Scott, will see a personal threat and will do what is necessary to protect themselves. He is running for reelection. Everyone involved in this cover-up is expendable.

  35. eastern2western says:

    this is beyond conspiracy. some one from the da’s office went into the locker room, took out the cell phone, sent it to a mysterious lab in cali and then the data just mysteriously dissapeared after it came back. when the defense asked the da’s office about

  36. ottawa925 says:

    When does BDLR have to file a reply? by when? Wouldn’t you think he’d have to file something today to be on the safe side? Someone refresh … what’s Judge’s rule ? 48 hours? If he files tomorrow, I think that’s cutting too close for a good look see at his response. Just my opinion.

    • John Galt says:

      I think it’s better if he just shows up and babbles at the hearing.

    • rumpole2 says:

      Nelson wants filings 2 days prior to hearing…. assuming “business days”… BDLR has until 5:00PM Thursday? (Hearing on Tuesday)
      So…. any time in the next hour will be fine :D

      • rumpole2 says:

        Still has 40 minutes.
        Of course he could have filed stuff already? We would not know unless there was a change in personnel entering updates at Clerks office and the Court media releases department. Maybe something tomorrow?

      • LOL, Can’t you just see him scratching his dome thinking of little crafty things to say to keep him from getting his magic “wand” slammed in the door by Nelson?

      • diwataman says:

        Why did I think Friday at 5? You are right it is today, thanks, got to go update my blog.

        • rumpole2 says:

          It could well be Friday is ok for filing… if Nelson’s reading head works weekends.
          So we would not know until Monday if at all.

          • rumpole2 says:

            Wasn’t the problem that precipitated the “2 day rule” that West did not reply to a Bernie response within 2 days prior? So that would mean even now Bernie could do a response to the Motion.. and there would not be 2 days for West to reply to that?
            Of course I doubt West would do that.. just sit on his hands even if he wants to reply to Bernie.

          • jello333 says:

            I’m still not sure what I think about Nelson. I’m leaning one way, but I’ll wait a bit longer till I say for sure… maybe after Tues we’ll have a better idea. Anyway, up till now it almost seem like she’s VERY incurious, and even a bit lazy. I’m hoping that’s not the case… and we just haven’t yet seen the “real” her. Because to be honest, I don’t think a person who really IS incurious and lazy should be a judge… should be ALLOWED to be a judge. Again though, I’m not yet ready to label Judge Nelson as such a person. We shall see…

  37. brutalhonesty says:

    idiots their own words will hang them….so much for “detained and defending himself”

    “Trayvon Martin’s brother, funeral director speak out”
    “Now, the funeral director has come out to say there was little evidence of a struggle. Richard Kurtz, the funeral director who handled Trayvon’s burial in Miami, said there were no signs of a fight. He said there were no marks on Trayvon’s hands, face or body — just the gunshot wound that killed him.”

    • eastern2western says:

      who the f asked a funeral director these kinds of technical question? the guy is an embalmer of dead bodies, not a medical examiner.

      • ftsk420 says:

        Funeral guy said one thing and one of the emergency guys said it was clear by looking at TM hands he had been in a fight.

        • justfactsplz says:

          His hands were in pretty bad shape from what I hear. They bagged them at the scene. Pictures were taken of them. George was shown the pictures and it was so disturbing that he threw up.

      • rooferx says:

        It doesn’t matter much about “who” asked” him about it….it’s WHY HE was asked about it. Remember who Kurtz is……..
        Of course it could matter “who” asked about it….Could be someone paid by the same people who had a reporter ask Obama his thoughts about the case.
        It’s all for the lights and cameras.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        Most likly AFTER the funeral director finished preparing the body for viewing, it didnt look like his hands had been in a fight. Everyone KNOWS they put a makeup stuff on the body when preparing for viewing.

  38. ottawa925 says:

    Nat Jackson has a few interesting comments at her twitter site regarding the upcoming hearing. Check it out, and see if you read anything into it. She’s made a bunch of posts too many for me to capture and put here, but I will do ONE, just to practice off Rumpole’s instructions on how to post tweets:

  39. mung says:

    I know this is off topic but I could use a little help. I am doing a paper for an economics class on the financial impact of gun control. I plan to talk about how just the talk of gun control has caused shortages and price hikes. One of the things I wanted to talk about was different mayors and their plans to penalize companies in their towns who sell assault rifles, by holding out on financial incentives and the like. If anyone has any links to any stories that might be good to include in my paper that would be appreciated. Any other suggestions of angles to look at for the financial impact of gun control would be great as well. Thanks!

  40. ottawa925 says:

    Here’s another one:

  41. diwataman says:

    I’m guessing felony assault and battery and putting someone in the position who believed, rightfully, that they would be killed but that’s just a little guess Nat, I could be wrong.

  42. brutalhonesty says:

    Got this email from chage.org because I signed one of the pro-gz petitions a while back:

    2012 was the year that wildfire fighters finally won health insurance. It was the year three teenage girls decided it was time for a woman to moderate a presidential debate, the year a gay Boy Scout fought for his Eagle award, the year Trayvon Martin’s parents got justice for their son.

    You and 25 million people won all of these victories — and thousands more — by starting, signing, and sharing petitions on Change.org in 2012. Take a look:

    Watch the video.

    We’re blown away by all you accomplished in 2012, and we know this is just the beginning.

    We can’t wait to see what you’ll do in 2013.

    Thank you,
    – Katie and the Change.org team

    Katie Bethell, Change.org

  43. Josh says:

    “Stand Your Ground” in Court
    Monday, January 28, 2013
    A Martin County [Florida] murder trial gets underway Monday.

    It was put in the forefront by the Trayvon Martin shooting, now the controversial “Stand Your Ground” law is front and center in a local case.

    A murder trial is getting underway on Monday in Martin County. Daniel Diodato is accused of shooting Kyle Hicks back in October 2011.

    Police say Hicks showed up at the home of Diodato in Jensen Beach, responding to an Internet ad. A fight broke out between the two and Diodato allegedly shot Hicks.

    Diodato’s attorneys are requesting that the charges be thrown out, citing “stand your ground”, claiming their client was only trying to defend himself.

    The trial is expected to last a week.

    Read more: http://www.wjno.com/pages/news_local.html?feed=120981&article=10736466#ixzz2JapNaZFa

  44. Reptile says:

    Guys don’t forget to visit the website for GZ after O’Mara revamps it and donate. I am shamed at what it cost to sustain an innocent man against Corey’s agenda… Don’t forget the antics of her cohorts Barney (Bernie) and Crump.

    All the plotting and scheming Crump does will come to light.

  45. ejarra says:

    $75 & $125 / person? Yagattabeschittinme!

  46. ejarra says:

    I love this twitter C&P!

  47. eastern2western says:

    If they could get a gps map of trayvon’s phone, could they do the samething for zimmerman’s phone?

  48. arkansasmimi says:

    Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
    After reading O’Mara’s Motion for Continuance, I bet he recently had the “let’s try for a plea deal” talk w/his client & it didn’t go well.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
      So the old tactic “play into racist fears & demonize the black teenager” is now combined with the new tactic “delay, delay, delay..SMH & LOL

      • diwataman says:
      • howie says:

        Yougottabekiddingme. Hope she is not out driving the Lawdivamobile.

      • jello333 says:

        Wow. It’s possible that this woman is just playing to her audience, trying valiantly to keep morale up. But if that’s not it, then…. mmm mmm mmm, how on EARTH did she ever become a lawyer? I mean, I realize that not all lawyers are brilliant, but c’mon! I would have thought it nearly impossible to actually be something approaching STUPID, and still be able to get through law school and pass the bar. Just… I don’t know…

    • lovemygirl says:

      Umm, doesn’t the State have to offer a plea deal first?

    • maggiemoowho says:

      Another Affirmative Action graduate? POTUS was and so was Michelle, need I say more.

  49. ottawa925 says:

    What is the Martin Foundation for? To raise money for …….????

    • John Galt says:

      To teach black youths not to assault people carrying concealed handguns.

    • eastern2western says:

      to lower insurance rates. I have been profiled by insurance companies since I started driving at 16 and need the foundation’s help to lower my rates.

  50. ejarra says:

    Attn. MOM If you’re reading this, I found another witness for you dispose, if you can find him.

    From BLDR’s interview of DD2:

    BDLR: How did you meet up with him…from school? Or friends? Or…

    Dee Dee: By coming by my house…

    BDLR: OK…

    Dee Dee: …with his best friend.

    BDLR: Who was his best friend?

    Dee Dee: [Redacted] Yeah.

    Yup, Mr. Martin’s best friend supposedly would go to DD2’s house with him. Opened the door on that one.

    • ottawa925 says:

      I may be confusing the two interviews, but I thought I read or heard that DD went to kindergarten with Trayvon.

      • ejarra says:

        DD2 said that in the same BLDR interview on Apr 2nd. Odd that she may have been 2 yrs. older than him. 7 vs 5. She’s all over the place in the interview.

  51. lovemygirl says:

    I guess hoodies are become Passe.
    Ski masks, a fashion accessory to crime in D.C., may soon be illegal

    • Lou says:

      and I’m sorry, the MArtin family is scum to give a 12 year old pic of Trayvon to the media. on top of hiding all the evidence. this family is filthy lying deceptive scum.

      • libby says:

        And that, it seems is why the media loves the martin/fulton gang so much, cuz the media pond scum and this family see ameoba to ameoba

  52. ejarra says:

    Another reason to find and dispose the 3 stooges.

    Did DD2 hear the conversation Mr. Martin was having with the 3 stooges?

    Did the 3 stooges notice he was talking on his cell?

    From the BLDR/DD2 interview:

    BDLR: OK, and as he was walking to the store, were you conversing with him?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

    BDLR: OK, you were talking to him.

    Dee Dee: Yeah.

    BDLR: How about when he got to the store? Did he talk to you about being at the store?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

    BDLR: OK, and did he talk to you once he left the store?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

    • ejarra says:


      BDLR: But, what I wanted to cover with you is when he left the store, did he mention something about that at that time whether it was raining or not?

      Dee Dee: Like, when he come home, or..?

      BDLR: Yeah, tell what happened as he’s talking to you when he’s leaving the store…on his way back home.

      Dee Dee: When he was leaving the store, he just told me that he bought drinks…and it about to rain.

      Notice NO mention of the approx. 5 minutes that he may have spent talking with Moe, Larry and Curly. He must have been speaking with them; why else would he walk away backwards facing them if he wasn’t talking to them. Odd that she would give a blow by blow description of the walking events, but never mention them.

    • howie says:

      That interview is beyond description. Downright embarrassing. He had no idea what in the world she was talking about.

  53. lovemygirl says:

    The reason DeeDee’s interview with Crump was so hard to understand was they recorded it through Trayvon’s headphones. ;)

  54. ottawa925 says:

    The Trayvon Martin Foundation asks that you send your $$$ support to:

    200 S. Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 505, Miami, FL

    Exactly how many foundations are at that same address? Including what looks to be a governmental agency?

    City of Miami – Department of Public Facilities

    The Miami Foundation

    ANOTHER Miami Foundation site … same address

    Association of Public Television Stations

    Miami-Dade Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce

    Tell you what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna start me a foundation and it will be the:

    Continue to Show Ottawa925 You Care Foundation.

    It’s purpose: to let Ottawa925 know, via the amount of your contribution, how much you love and want to keep em around.

    These foundations … blah The minute big money is on the line … Sharpton shows up. This is all money to stuff in their pockets. I’d like to know who exactly is sitting over in Suite 500 collecting the checks.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      From the article: ( I think I better understand now)

      Sanford police and Florida Department of Law Enforcement employees had limited success finding out what was on the phone because they were “locked out,” the consequence of someone trying repeatedly without the proper password or PIN to gain access to its data.

      The state then shipped the phone to a law-enforcement agency in California for more analysis, O’Mara wrote in his new motion, then sent it to a New Jersey company, which successfully unlocked the data in its flash memory, including GPS information that showed its changing locations.

      What it found has not been made public.

      “It shows you within 10 feet where the phone is,” O’Mara told the Orlando Sentinel.

      De la Rionda provided those new findings to defense attorneys Jan. 18, O’Mara wrote, but with a gaping hole.

      “While the analysis includes GPS locating records for Mr. Martin’s phone for all of the time he was in the Sanford area, specifically absent is any such data from February 26, 2012, the date of the event,” O’Mara wrote.

      “Maybe it’s coincidence, but I’m way past [believing it's] coincidence,” O’Mara said.

      There also seem to be missing phone calls and text messages, he wrote.

      De la Rionda’s office did not respond to an email asking for comment.

      • libby says:

        most articles leave out the FACT that the FDLE LOST their chain of custody of this phone (if you dont have chain of custody, you have a possibility the phone was tampered with).
        oops, the persecutor is allowing more evidence tampering

  55. arkansasmimi says:

    POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK? They come to the CTH and read, go back and blather their dog smack. Yet say WE stalk them bahahahaha yep ole female dogs Big Boi and Laura Wilcox.
    Laura‏@003Laura 2 hrs ago
    @rumpole2 it’s laughable and embarrassing for you all, just how much time your CTH crew spends twitter stalking. Get a life.

    • rumpole2 says:

      Wow she is still at it? :D
      The Bigboi and Pavlov Bitch crowd really have her in mind control (not hard I guess)
      Embarrassing for Laura Wilcox I would imagine… well it would be for a normal rational person.. and embarrassing for her real life friends and family.. her kids who she has pictures of at Twitter.. their friends etc…

    • rumpole2 says:

      Given that Laura Wilcox knows that her personal details are PUBLIC she should wise up and stop matching stupidity and hate with the Dog pack who use aliases… they don’t care what they say… cowards become brave when hiding behind an alias.

      So ashamed of what she writes that she prefers to keep her identity secret… it makes more sense to STOP spewing the hate and stupidity that makes her look so bad.
      Of course it could well be that she LOOKS to be ignorant and full of hate… because that is who she is…. I guess her friends and family already know that.

      Again… if Laura Wilcox chooses to engage in hate and stupidity then I recommend that people check out some detail about her:


      • Justice4All says:

        As I am sure most can tell by looking at her children and the lack of their fathers presence, most would conclude that Laura is not known for making wise decisions.

        I actually had no idea about the thread here….. it only took me 20 minutes to find out who she was. I would have never spent a second on her if it was not for the vile prejudiced attacks that she has been directing to George, his family, and his wife for the last year. If you are going to partake in vile disgusting attacks on someone and their family on a daily basis you sure as hell better be prepared to face the same treatment in return instead of believing you are safe hiding behind your computer.

        Stalk and harass a man and his family for a year and then cry when somebody looks up your personal info……..SMFH!!!!!

        • Justice4All says:

          I find it very funny that she cries doxing…….I know she just recently learned what doxing is but she fails to truly understand it. Every time the members of the dog pound add a hash tag on twitter that relates to Trayvon Martin they are making themselves a celebrity in the J4TM cause.

          Laura has no legal protection against doxing because she has voluntarily presented
          herself as a celebrity.

          • rumpole2 says:

            I seem to recall she wrote to Sundance and DEMANDED a voice here at the CTH.

            She got it… but I thought she realised how silly she was to be in effect “Doxing” herself.

            I don’t do twitter…. so only see when people alert me to it. She (and BIgboi) decided to drag “Rumpole2″ into their smelly twitter world… just to deride and mock my posting…. her choice?
            I have made it known that when people attack my friend George I will respond…. I will also respond if ,b>Laura Wilcox chooses to drag “Rumpole2″ into the festering Twitter sewer that she swims in

  56. arkansasmimi says:

    DANG~ Nasty Nat sounds a bit jealous to me!!! They talk smack about GZ asking for donations, but look at ALL the diff avenues the Scheme Team has tried to hustle $ this week alone~ FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

    Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
    GZ raised +$5K today. LOVE should dominates HATE!! 2 donate $10.00 to #Trayvon Martin Foundation simply text “JUSTICETM” to 50555. Please RT

  57. diwataman says:

    I’m just putting this here to give it some room rumpole. I’m Just going over the event again that caused the judge to chastise the defense in the December 11th hearing and linking appropriate documents. If I miss anything pertinent or get something wrong please everyone feel free to correct.

    The hearing prior to this took place on October 26th, 2012. This is critical to understanding the issue.

    First we have the:
    Amended Scheduling Order
    October 29, 2012

    Then we have this motion filed by the defense:
    Defense motion to compel production of evidence from third party
    (In the motion it says a copy was given to Bernie on November 30, 2012)

    The state responds to that:
    State’s Response to Defendant’s Motion to Compel Production of Evidence from Third-Party
    Filed December 11, 2012 10:27am EST (Bernie mentions in the motion that a copy was faxed to the judge on December 7th. In the hearing he said he gave it to her JA)

    The defense responds to the state:
    Mr. Zimmerman’s Reply to State’s Response to Defendant’s Motion to Take Additional Deposition
    Filed December 10, 2012 4:58pm EST

    December 11, 2012 Hearing

    In the hearing Judge Nelson said she read the motion, the State’s response but not the Defenses response to the state because it was in violation of the Amended Scheduling Order, she noted the time it was filed at December 11 at 8:15 am.

    In the Amended Scheduling Order it says documents over ten pages can not be faxed. The defenses reply to the state was eleven pages. Anything over ten pages must be hand delivered to the court. However this does not appear to have been the problem because from the motion Don West faxed copies to everyone else on December 10th so it appears then the response was not ready until that day.

    West said to the court that he had not received the response from the state in enough time to make a response, however, in the state response it says they emailed it to the defense on December 7th. The judge also sternly reminded West that she gives plenty enough time in between hearings and if there is something that requires a reply the motion ought to be filed earlier.

    Let that last sentence sink in a bit and consider the timing of the motions recently filed. Now, what do you all think that judge is going to think and do in the next hearing?

    So the argument has now shifted to the problem being that West did not file the original motion early enough since the last hearing to give the State time to respond in order for the defense to respond if need be.

    However, between October 29th and November 30th there was correspondence between West, Bernie and Crump. And one could argue that the way things transpired West could not have given Bernie the motion earlier as the judge opined. But the question is why did West not argue that? All he said was there was not enough time, he didn’t argue the specifics that would have given her understanding of the situation.

    In the end though West got what he wanted out of the motion, at least in part, which was for the judge to compel the state to confirm the information regarding the Crump recording. However this is not the point here. The point is the judges perception and handling of the defense as it pertains to when motions are filed. And that, as far as I can tell, is not good for the defense. I wish them well on February 5th, however given the history I predict disaster but I’m always willing to be wrong.

    On a side note, I don’t think Bernie himself plans on arguing anything regarding the ABC recordings as Bernie said in the last hearing that the defense can contact ABC regarding any recordings and get whatever they want from them. How nice for Bernie to speak on behalf of ABC ay?

    • John Galt says:

      “Let that last sentence sink in a bit and consider the timing of the motions recently filed. Now, what do you all think that judge is going to think and do in the next hearing?”

      I think she is going to grant all the motions recently filed by the defense. The one thing I have doubts about is the social media account info. BDLR may assert that he doesn’t have that information. If he admits to having the information, I think he has to cough it up.

    • rumpole2 says:

      Thanks for dragging it all together Dman…. must have taken some time and effort.

      As to why West did not argue the point…. He has tried before with Nelson.. and as I have commented… she annoyingly just does not get it… seems dim and not up with the facts of the case, and when West tries to inform her she makes dopey statements about “officers of the court” and “you can ask in depositions” The term “wilfully ignorant” seems to apply to Nelson… and I usually reserve that for Traybots.
      I think West simply did not want the aggravation of trying to get through to the woman again… knowing it does no good.
      I think these current Motions give Bernie time to respond.. and like I said above.. West can just sit on his hands rather than try and file a (late) reply to Bernie’s response.

      • diwataman says:

        You think these motions give Bernie time to respond? Ahhh, the hearing is next Tuesday brother. Even if he does respond, and somehow the judge allows it, why would West not want to respond? What sense would that make?

        • rumpole2 says:

          The sense that would make is that Bernies stuff is likely to be limp and lame… so why bother…. he can slip in a reply live in court. And as we are both saying…its strategy on West’s part to NOT fall foul of the “2 day rule”… sacrifice the fun of replying to Bernie simply to avoid the 2 day rule.

          • diwataman says:

            Why do I feel the sudden urge to make an e-bet? Fine, I bet you an e-cookie that the judges gives the defense crap over at least one of the filings in the sense we are discussing here.

            • rumpole2 says:

              Not betting against Nelson being annoying :)

              I just think West has played it well as he can. They only had the phone analysis stuff to view last weekend… so early this week is as early as they could file this stuff…

      • jello333 says:

        If Bernie DOES respond, then as you say, MOM/West shouldn’t even bother to try to come of with some long reply. Just a 3-word reply would suffice.

        “Bernie being Bernie”

        I’m serious. If I thought Nelson wouldn’t get mad at them, I’d suggest they do something like that. After all, that’s about the level of respect Bernie’s “legal argument” skills deserve.

        • rooferx says:

          Bernie has some time “in the ring”. I think he knows better than to challenge this. All he cares about is the events leading up to the altercation… as he said in court. Although most of their assumptions have been debunked.

    • nettles18 says:

      It appears everything was going o.k. with discovery matters and this was signalled to the court when they cancelled the January 8th hearing. http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/CZimmerman.pdf

      The motion to subpoena records from ABC was filed January 18th and the State had plenty of time to respond if they so desired. Bernie will likely let ABC lawyers do the talking and/or stonewalling on this matter.

      The Motion to Continue could be argued that became apparent in the days before the motion was drafted up. The phone news was January 8th and 9th the phone was sent to New Jersey. Defense got an enormous amount of information from the phone on January 18th and Mr. O’Mara used his Saturday and Sunday to go through it all. It became apparent during that work that the information from Feb. 26th is missing from the data given.

      The Judge ruled that the defense could subpoena the twitter and facebook accounts of Trayvon and DD on October 29th. Since then BDLR has not cooperating in giving the information requested for the subpoena. The Judge ruled in dealing with Trayvon and W8 they had a right to have their addresses remain confidential and the State would work with them in doing depositions. Only recently has BDLR told Mr. O’Mara he will not give the information to him. On Feb. 5th, it will be 109 days since Judge Nelson allowed the subpoena. I would hope BDLR will be taken to task as to why he said he would be the middle-man in communication between the defense and these special witnesses and then act like a road block!

      If the Judge does want to move this case along, she won’t become party to its delay. She may allow a verbal response from BDLR if he whines about not having enough time to submit a written response. Otherwise, she holds it over and the next scheduled date is March 5th. The defense, in the meantime, has lots to keep them busy with.

      • jello333 says:

        Right. Bernie has had PLENTY of time to hand over names, addresses, online “handles”, etc. So here’s what should happen on Tuesday:

        “Mr Di la Rionda, Mr O’Mara says you haven’t given him this information. Is that true?”

        “Yes you’re honor, but…”

        “Do you have this information on you now?”

        “Errr… umm….. I…. I might have… lemme look and see if… ummm….”

        “Mr Di la Rionda, we’re going to take a 10-minute recess. During that time you can turn the info over to Mr O’Mara.”

  58. ejarra says:

    I know this doesn’t belong here, but when I found it, I couldn’t not share it.

  59. arkansasmimi says:

    Giggle this is in ref to the article from OS today

    Rachael says:
    January 31, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    Dang, I hate to admit it, but after reading that, it is everything the outhouse has been saying. I have a very difficult time believing this is not some “spin” by O’Mara though. I just do not trust the guy.


    Frederick Leatherman says:
    January 31, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    Seems very odd to me that no information for 2/26 was released.

    • diwataman says:

      Dang, yeah, it’s almost like we know what we’re talking about, lolz, shame isn’t it? And Fred to, lol, gee I find this odd, what could it all mean herpaderp.

    • John Galt says:


    • lovemygirl says:

      Can you imagine their shock if Fred wrote something saying the State fabricated the case? Man I wish I was a Hacker and could write a Mea Culpa pretending to be Leatherman just for the entertainment value of his flock’s reaction.

    • sundance says:

      Unfortunately, given the entrenched mindset of the forces aligned against GZ I doubt much could ever sway their opinion. Dunno… maybe stranger things have happened.

      Why the missing information from 2/26? Perhaps that is a start. Why the differing stories from Tracy and Sybrina. Why the differing stories from Tracy and Brandi? Why the hiding of the age of DeeDee and the subsequent fiasco? Why nothing of support to the family claims of events from discovery facts? There are so many why’s in this case, that any intellectually honest person could not reconcile without admitting the truth.

      But then again, the truth is not really their quest is it?

      • lovemygirl says:

        The leaders of the BGI movement just look for the smell of fresh greenbacks. The followers of the BGI movement really believe in it. Just look at everyone that believes you need to arrest someone and then let them prove their innocence. They honestly believe that, except when the accused fits their profile.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Xena’s response was hilarious.

      Xena says:
      January 31, 2013 at 9:51 pm
      IMO, the prosecution may not have required that info because on 2/26/12 during the time relevant, they knew where Trayvon was via the 7-Eleven video and where his dead body laid.

  60. Cupcake says:

    Wow! 481 comments on the GZ open thread? Did something happen today??

  61. woohoowee says:


    Continuing response from up thread.

    Since I view Lester’s “we” in tamping it down to include the State, my thoughts turned to State authority. Granted, the CRS probably comes into play, however, the defendant has the right to a full throated defense, no?

    Yelling fire in a crowded theater, when there is no fire, is the standard for State authority to curb free speech (I think). The standard being immediate threat/danger. Doesn’t George have the right to free speech in his defense? He wasn’t the one yelling fire, so to speak.

    That said, I’m guessing the State and defense both agreed to try and calm things down and that it would be what George wanted.

  62. lovemygirl says:

    Just had to laugh at the Leatherman blog.
    Hey, Deb and D-Man got honorary special mentions.
    There is some clown claiming to have inside info from FDLE that indicates accomplices. Phone calls between GZ and his buddies, someone speeding away and a cockatoo.

    • eastern2western says:

      trent sawyer? come on, what is up with the accomplice crap?

    • eastern2western says:

      can some one please tell trent that there were cars coming in and out of the complex after the gun shot. seeing a flicker of light does not mean seeing a silver ridgeline driving. that guy is just weird.

      • lovemygirl says:

        Weird? Other than awe-inspiring and uncanny the rest seem to apply.

        Main Entry: weird  [weerd] Show IPA
        Part of Speech: adjective
        Definition: odd, bizarre
        Synonyms: awe-inspiring, awful, creepy*, curious, dreadful, eccentric, eerie*, far-out, fearful, flaky*, freaky, funky*, ghastly, ghostly, grotesque, haunting, horrific, inscrutable, kinky*, kooky, magical, mysterious, occult, oddball, ominous, outlandish, peculiar, preternatural, queer, secret, singular, spooky*, strange, supernal, supernatural, uncanny, uncouth, unearthly, unnatural
        Antonyms: normal, regular, usual
        * = informal/non-formal usage

    • diwataman says:

      They are a useless lot that’s for sure, well, except for entertainment purposes.

      One particularity strange one was this user:

      They were posting Lamepapa videos one after the other at NBC and this user said something:

      After that the leatherhead goes bonkers and starts posting a bunch of discovery, lol. So I suppose if that clown says that all I post is crap, whatever, I should dump my 100Gb Zimmerman file on him?

      • lovemygirl says:

        I tried for the second time to post there. It will never see the light of day.
        They keep thinking there is some surprise evidence that will convict George. I was dumbfounded when the 2/26 phone data was missing.
        I’m sorry, unless there is a real logical explanation then not only should the case be dismissed but many should be arrested with handcuffs and waist chain and shackles.
        Can’t wait to watch the Crump Shuffle.

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Love, Chip pointed out the truth, as two possibilities. 1) The “Heart” cell-phone went “in-operative” during those last 2 hours. That means, no further “flash memory recordings, and NO TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS. That being true, the Crump-DeeDee story is totally FALSE. DeeDee not talking to TM, because the TMs cell was not WORKING. The ONLY other possibility is 2) Since the flash memeory was INTACT, then someone intentionally “erased” that last day for SOME REASON WE DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND. In both cases, the charges must be “removed” – because Crump-DeeDee was LYING.

  63. jordan2222 says:

    I briefly canned the state’s reply but saw nothing about the missing 2/26 data.

    • jello333 says:

      Nope, me neither. Bernie’s s freak, and NOT much of a lawyer. Everything I’ve read from him, and heard from him in court, is very, very amateurish.

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