01-31 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.

“The sensationalized, fact-deficient coverage of this case has achieved the
desired results. The networks got their ratings. The politicians got their
talking points. And if it means innocent people get caught in the middle of the
racial enmity they’ve fomented, obviously it’s considered acceptable collateral
damage.
Congratulations, geniuses. Job well done. Jim Treacher, The DC Trawler

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543 Responses to 01-31 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. ejarra says:

    I love this twitter C&P!

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  2. eastern2western says:

    If they could get a gps map of trayvon’s phone, could they do the samething for zimmerman’s phone?

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  3. arkansasmimi says:

    Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
    After reading O’Mara’s Motion for Continuance, I bet he recently had the “let’s try for a plea deal” talk w/his client & it didn’t go well.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
      So the old tactic “play into racist fears & demonize the black teenager” is now combined with the new tactic “delay, delay, delay..SMH & LOL

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      • diwataman says:

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      • howie says:

        Yougottabekiddingme. Hope she is not out driving the Lawdivamobile.

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      • jello333 says:

        Wow. It’s possible that this woman is just playing to her audience, trying valiantly to keep morale up. But if that’s not it, then…. mmm mmm mmm, how on EARTH did she ever become a lawyer? I mean, I realize that not all lawyers are brilliant, but c’mon! I would have thought it nearly impossible to actually be something approaching STUPID, and still be able to get through law school and pass the bar. Just… I don’t know…

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    • lovemygirl says:

      Umm, doesn’t the State have to offer a plea deal first?

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      Another Affirmative Action graduate? POTUS was and so was Michelle, need I say more.

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  4. ottawa925 says:

    What is the Martin Foundation for? To raise money for …….????

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  5. ejarra says:

    Attn. MOM If you’re reading this, I found another witness for you dispose, if you can find him.

    From BLDR’s interview of DD2:

    BDLR: How did you meet up with him…from school? Or friends? Or…

    Dee Dee: By coming by my house…

    BDLR: OK…

    Dee Dee: …with his best friend.

    BDLR: Who was his best friend?

    Dee Dee: [Redacted] Yeah.

    Yup, Mr. Martin’s best friend supposedly would go to DD2’s house with him. Opened the door on that one.

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    • ottawa925 says:

      I may be confusing the two interviews, but I thought I read or heard that DD went to kindergarten with Trayvon.

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      • ejarra says:

        DD2 said that in the same BLDR interview on Apr 2nd. Odd that she may have been 2 yrs. older than him. 7 vs 5. She’s all over the place in the interview.

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  6. lovemygirl says:

    I guess hoodies are become Passe.
    Ski masks, a fashion accessory to crime in D.C., may soon be illegal

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/ski-mask-is-fashion-accessory-to-crime-in-dc/

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    • Lou says:

      and I’m sorry, the MArtin family is scum to give a 12 year old pic of Trayvon to the media. on top of hiding all the evidence. this family is filthy lying deceptive scum.

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      • libby says:

        And that, it seems is why the media loves the martin/fulton gang so much, cuz the media pond scum and this family see ameoba to ameoba

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  7. ejarra says:

    Another reason to find and dispose the 3 stooges.

    Did DD2 hear the conversation Mr. Martin was having with the 3 stooges?

    Did the 3 stooges notice he was talking on his cell?

    From the BLDR/DD2 interview:

    BDLR: OK, and as he was walking to the store, were you conversing with him?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

    BDLR: OK, you were talking to him.

    Dee Dee: Yeah.

    BDLR: How about when he got to the store? Did he talk to you about being at the store?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

    BDLR: OK, and did he talk to you once he left the store?

    Dee Dee: Yes.

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    • ejarra says:

      Also:

      BDLR: But, what I wanted to cover with you is when he left the store, did he mention something about that at that time whether it was raining or not?

      Dee Dee: Like, when he come home, or..?

      BDLR: Yeah, tell what happened as he’s talking to you when he’s leaving the store…on his way back home.

      Dee Dee: When he was leaving the store, he just told me that he bought drinks…and it about to rain.

      Notice NO mention of the approx. 5 minutes that he may have spent talking with Moe, Larry and Curly. He must have been speaking with them; why else would he walk away backwards facing them if he wasn’t talking to them. Odd that she would give a blow by blow description of the walking events, but never mention them.

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    • howie says:

      That interview is beyond description. Downright embarrassing. He had no idea what in the world she was talking about.

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  8. lovemygirl says:

    The reason DeeDee’s interview with Crump was so hard to understand was they recorded it through Trayvon’s headphones. ;)

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  9. ottawa925 says:

    The Trayvon Martin Foundation asks that you send your $$$ support to:

    200 S. Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 505, Miami, FL

    Exactly how many foundations are at that same address? Including what looks to be a governmental agency?

    City of Miami – Department of Public Facilities

    http://www.miamigov.com/publicfacilities/pages/watsonisland/ichimurajapangarden.asp

    The Miami Foundation

    http://www.miamifoundation.org/page.aspx?pid=591

    ANOTHER Miami Foundation site … same address

    http://www.yourfoundation.com/about_contactus.php

    Association of Public Television Stations

    http://www.apts.org/grantcenter/funding-topic/arts-and-humanities/dade-community-foundation

    Miami-Dade Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce

    http://www.gaybizmiami.com/pages/CommunityOrganizations/

    Tell you what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna start me a foundation and it will be the:

    Continue to Show Ottawa925 You Care Foundation.

    It’s purpose: to let Ottawa925 know, via the amount of your contribution, how much you love and want to keep em around.

    These foundations … blah The minute big money is on the line … Sharpton shows up. This is all money to stuff in their pockets. I’d like to know who exactly is sitting over in Suite 500 collecting the checks.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      From the article: ( I think I better understand now)

      Sanford police and Florida Department of Law Enforcement employees had limited success finding out what was on the phone because they were “locked out,” the consequence of someone trying repeatedly without the proper password or PIN to gain access to its data.

      The state then shipped the phone to a law-enforcement agency in California for more analysis, O’Mara wrote in his new motion, then sent it to a New Jersey company, which successfully unlocked the data in its flash memory, including GPS information that showed its changing locations.

      What it found has not been made public.

      “It shows you within 10 feet where the phone is,” O’Mara told the Orlando Sentinel.

      De la Rionda provided those new findings to defense attorneys Jan. 18, O’Mara wrote, but with a gaping hole.

      “While the analysis includes GPS locating records for Mr. Martin’s phone for all of the time he was in the Sanford area, specifically absent is any such data from February 26, 2012, the date of the event,” O’Mara wrote.

      “Maybe it’s coincidence, but I’m way past [believing it’s] coincidence,” O’Mara said.

      There also seem to be missing phone calls and text messages, he wrote.

      De la Rionda’s office did not respond to an email asking for comment.

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      • libby says:

        Ooops,
        most articles leave out the FACT that the FDLE LOST their chain of custody of this phone (if you dont have chain of custody, you have a possibility the phone was tampered with).
        oops, the persecutor is allowing more evidence tampering

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  10. arkansasmimi says:

    POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK? They come to the CTH and read, go back and blather their dog smack. Yet say WE stalk them bahahahaha yep ole female dogs Big Boi and Laura Wilcox.
    ******
    Laura‏@003Laura 2 hrs ago
    @rumpole2 it’s laughable and embarrassing for you all, just how much time your CTH crew spends twitter stalking. Get a life.

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Wow she is still at it? :D
      The Bigboi and Pavlov Bitch crowd really have her in mind control (not hard I guess)
      Embarrassing for Laura Wilcox I would imagine… well it would be for a normal rational person.. and embarrassing for her real life friends and family.. her kids who she has pictures of at Twitter.. their friends etc…

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Given that Laura Wilcox knows that her personal details are PUBLIC she should wise up and stop matching stupidity and hate with the Dog pack who use aliases… they don’t care what they say… cowards become brave when hiding behind an alias.

      So ashamed of what she writes that she prefers to keep her identity secret… it makes more sense to STOP spewing the hate and stupidity that makes her look so bad.
      Of course it could well be that she LOOKS to be ignorant and full of hate… because that is who she is…. I guess her friends and family already know that.

      Again… if Laura Wilcox chooses to engage in hate and stupidity then I recommend that people check out some detail about her:

      http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/09/26/fun-mail-for-futting-nuckhousers/

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      • Justice4All says:

        As I am sure most can tell by looking at her children and the lack of their fathers presence, most would conclude that Laura is not known for making wise decisions.

        I actually had no idea about the thread here….. it only took me 20 minutes to find out who she was. I would have never spent a second on her if it was not for the vile prejudiced attacks that she has been directing to George, his family, and his wife for the last year. If you are going to partake in vile disgusting attacks on someone and their family on a daily basis you sure as hell better be prepared to face the same treatment in return instead of believing you are safe hiding behind your computer.

        Stalk and harass a man and his family for a year and then cry when somebody looks up your personal info……..SMFH!!!!!

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        • Justice4All says:

          I find it very funny that she cries doxing…….I know she just recently learned what doxing is but she fails to truly understand it. Every time the members of the dog pound add a hash tag on twitter that relates to Trayvon Martin they are making themselves a celebrity in the J4TM cause.

          Laura has no legal protection against doxing because she has voluntarily presented
          herself as a celebrity.

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  11. arkansasmimi says:

    DANG~ Nasty Nat sounds a bit jealous to me!!! They talk smack about GZ asking for donations, but look at ALL the diff avenues the Scheme Team has tried to hustle $ this week alone~ FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

    Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
    GZ raised +$5K today. LOVE should dominates HATE!! 2 donate $10.00 to #Trayvon Martin Foundation simply text “JUSTICETM” to 50555. Please RT

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  12. diwataman says:

    I’m just putting this here to give it some room rumpole. I’m Just going over the event again that caused the judge to chastise the defense in the December 11th hearing and linking appropriate documents. If I miss anything pertinent or get something wrong please everyone feel free to correct.

    The hearing prior to this took place on October 26th, 2012. This is critical to understanding the issue.

    First we have the:
    Amended Scheduling Order
    October 29, 2012

    http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Amended%20Scheduling%20Order.pdf

    Then we have this motion filed by the defense:
    Defense motion to compel production of evidence from third party
    (In the motion it says a copy was given to Bernie on November 30, 2012)

    http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1112/motion_to_compel.pdf

    The state responds to that:
    State’s Response to Defendant’s Motion to Compel Production of Evidence from Third-Party
    Filed December 11, 2012 10:27am EST (Bernie mentions in the motion that a copy was faxed to the judge on December 7th. In the hearing he said he gave it to her JA)

    http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/12%2011%2012%20State%27s%20Response%20to%20Defendant%27s%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Production%20of%20Evidence%20from%20Third-Party.pdf

    The defense responds to the state:
    Mr. Zimmerman’s Reply to State’s Response to Defendant’s Motion to Take Additional Deposition
    Filed December 10, 2012 4:58pm EST

    http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/12%2010%2012%20Mr%20Zimmerman%27s%20Reply%20to%20State%27s%20Response%20to%20Defendant%27s%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Production%20of%20Evidence%20from%20Third%20Party.pdf

    December 11, 2012 Hearing

    http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/zimmerman-dec-11-2012-hearing/

    In the hearing Judge Nelson said she read the motion, the State’s response but not the Defenses response to the state because it was in violation of the Amended Scheduling Order, she noted the time it was filed at December 11 at 8:15 am.

    In the Amended Scheduling Order it says documents over ten pages can not be faxed. The defenses reply to the state was eleven pages. Anything over ten pages must be hand delivered to the court. However this does not appear to have been the problem because from the motion Don West faxed copies to everyone else on December 10th so it appears then the response was not ready until that day.

    West said to the court that he had not received the response from the state in enough time to make a response, however, in the state response it says they emailed it to the defense on December 7th. The judge also sternly reminded West that she gives plenty enough time in between hearings and if there is something that requires a reply the motion ought to be filed earlier.

    Let that last sentence sink in a bit and consider the timing of the motions recently filed. Now, what do you all think that judge is going to think and do in the next hearing?

    So the argument has now shifted to the problem being that West did not file the original motion early enough since the last hearing to give the State time to respond in order for the defense to respond if need be.

    However, between October 29th and November 30th there was correspondence between West, Bernie and Crump. And one could argue that the way things transpired West could not have given Bernie the motion earlier as the judge opined. But the question is why did West not argue that? All he said was there was not enough time, he didn’t argue the specifics that would have given her understanding of the situation.

    In the end though West got what he wanted out of the motion, at least in part, which was for the judge to compel the state to confirm the information regarding the Crump recording. However this is not the point here. The point is the judges perception and handling of the defense as it pertains to when motions are filed. And that, as far as I can tell, is not good for the defense. I wish them well on February 5th, however given the history I predict disaster but I’m always willing to be wrong.

    On a side note, I don’t think Bernie himself plans on arguing anything regarding the ABC recordings as Bernie said in the last hearing that the defense can contact ABC regarding any recordings and get whatever they want from them. How nice for Bernie to speak on behalf of ABC ay?

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    • John Galt says:

      “Let that last sentence sink in a bit and consider the timing of the motions recently filed. Now, what do you all think that judge is going to think and do in the next hearing?”

      I think she is going to grant all the motions recently filed by the defense. The one thing I have doubts about is the social media account info. BDLR may assert that he doesn’t have that information. If he admits to having the information, I think he has to cough it up.

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Thanks for dragging it all together Dman…. must have taken some time and effort.

      As to why West did not argue the point…. He has tried before with Nelson.. and as I have commented… she annoyingly just does not get it… seems dim and not up with the facts of the case, and when West tries to inform her she makes dopey statements about “officers of the court” and “you can ask in depositions” The term “wilfully ignorant” seems to apply to Nelson… and I usually reserve that for Traybots.
      I think West simply did not want the aggravation of trying to get through to the woman again… knowing it does no good.
      I think these current Motions give Bernie time to respond.. and like I said above.. West can just sit on his hands rather than try and file a (late) reply to Bernie’s response.

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      • diwataman says:

        You think these motions give Bernie time to respond? Ahhh, the hearing is next Tuesday brother. Even if he does respond, and somehow the judge allows it, why would West not want to respond? What sense would that make?

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        • rumpole2 says:

          The sense that would make is that Bernies stuff is likely to be limp and lame… so why bother…. he can slip in a reply live in court. And as we are both saying…its strategy on West’s part to NOT fall foul of the “2 day rule”… sacrifice the fun of replying to Bernie simply to avoid the 2 day rule.

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          • diwataman says:

            Why do I feel the sudden urge to make an e-bet? Fine, I bet you an e-cookie that the judges gives the defense crap over at least one of the filings in the sense we are discussing here.

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            • rumpole2 says:

              Not betting against Nelson being annoying :)

              I just think West has played it well as he can. They only had the phone analysis stuff to view last weekend… so early this week is as early as they could file this stuff…

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      • jello333 says:

        If Bernie DOES respond, then as you say, MOM/West shouldn’t even bother to try to come of with some long reply. Just a 3-word reply would suffice.

        “Bernie being Bernie”

        I’m serious. If I thought Nelson wouldn’t get mad at them, I’d suggest they do something like that. After all, that’s about the level of respect Bernie’s “legal argument” skills deserve.

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        • rooferx says:

          Bernie has some time “in the ring”. I think he knows better than to challenge this. All he cares about is the events leading up to the altercation… as he said in court. Although most of their assumptions have been debunked.

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    • nettles18 says:

      It appears everything was going o.k. with discovery matters and this was signalled to the court when they cancelled the January 8th hearing. http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/CZimmerman.pdf

      The motion to subpoena records from ABC was filed January 18th and the State had plenty of time to respond if they so desired. Bernie will likely let ABC lawyers do the talking and/or stonewalling on this matter.

      The Motion to Continue could be argued that became apparent in the days before the motion was drafted up. The phone news was January 8th and 9th the phone was sent to New Jersey. Defense got an enormous amount of information from the phone on January 18th and Mr. O’Mara used his Saturday and Sunday to go through it all. It became apparent during that work that the information from Feb. 26th is missing from the data given.

      The Judge ruled that the defense could subpoena the twitter and facebook accounts of Trayvon and DD on October 29th. Since then BDLR has not cooperating in giving the information requested for the subpoena. The Judge ruled in dealing with Trayvon and W8 they had a right to have their addresses remain confidential and the State would work with them in doing depositions. Only recently has BDLR told Mr. O’Mara he will not give the information to him. On Feb. 5th, it will be 109 days since Judge Nelson allowed the subpoena. I would hope BDLR will be taken to task as to why he said he would be the middle-man in communication between the defense and these special witnesses and then act like a road block!

      If the Judge does want to move this case along, she won’t become party to its delay. She may allow a verbal response from BDLR if he whines about not having enough time to submit a written response. Otherwise, she holds it over and the next scheduled date is March 5th. The defense, in the meantime, has lots to keep them busy with.

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      • jello333 says:

        Right. Bernie has had PLENTY of time to hand over names, addresses, online “handles”, etc. So here’s what should happen on Tuesday:

        “Mr Di la Rionda, Mr O’Mara says you haven’t given him this information. Is that true?”

        “Yes you’re honor, but…”

        “Do you have this information on you now?”

        “Errr… umm….. I…. I might have… lemme look and see if… ummm….”

        “Mr Di la Rionda, we’re going to take a 10-minute recess. During that time you can turn the info over to Mr O’Mara.”

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  13. ejarra says:

    I know this doesn’t belong here, but when I found it, I couldn’t not share it.

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  14. arkansasmimi says:

    Giggle this is in ref to the article from OS today

    Rachael says:
    January 31, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    Dang, I hate to admit it, but after reading that, it is everything the outhouse has been saying. I have a very difficult time believing this is not some “spin” by O’Mara though. I just do not trust the guy.

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    Frederick Leatherman says:
    January 31, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    Seems very odd to me that no information for 2/26 was released.

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    • diwataman says:

      Dang, yeah, it’s almost like we know what we’re talking about, lolz, shame isn’t it? And Fred to, lol, gee I find this odd, what could it all mean herpaderp.

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    • John Galt says:

      Wow!

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    • lovemygirl says:

      Can you imagine their shock if Fred wrote something saying the State fabricated the case? Man I wish I was a Hacker and could write a Mea Culpa pretending to be Leatherman just for the entertainment value of his flock’s reaction.

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    • sundance says:

      Unfortunately, given the entrenched mindset of the forces aligned against GZ I doubt much could ever sway their opinion. Dunno… maybe stranger things have happened.

      Why the missing information from 2/26? Perhaps that is a start. Why the differing stories from Tracy and Sybrina. Why the differing stories from Tracy and Brandi? Why the hiding of the age of DeeDee and the subsequent fiasco? Why nothing of support to the family claims of events from discovery facts? There are so many why’s in this case, that any intellectually honest person could not reconcile without admitting the truth.

      But then again, the truth is not really their quest is it?

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      • lovemygirl says:

        The leaders of the BGI movement just look for the smell of fresh greenbacks. The followers of the BGI movement really believe in it. Just look at everyone that believes you need to arrest someone and then let them prove their innocence. They honestly believe that, except when the accused fits their profile.

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    • lovemygirl says:

      Xena’s response was hilarious.

      Xena says:
      January 31, 2013 at 9:51 pm
      IMO, the prosecution may not have required that info because on 2/26/12 during the time relevant, they knew where Trayvon was via the 7-Eleven video and where his dead body laid.

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  15. Cupcake says:

    Wow! 481 comments on the GZ open thread? Did something happen today??

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  16. woohoowee says:

    Howie,

    Continuing response from up thread.

    Since I view Lester’s “we” in tamping it down to include the State, my thoughts turned to State authority. Granted, the CRS probably comes into play, however, the defendant has the right to a full throated defense, no?

    Yelling fire in a crowded theater, when there is no fire, is the standard for State authority to curb free speech (I think). The standard being immediate threat/danger. Doesn’t George have the right to free speech in his defense? He wasn’t the one yelling fire, so to speak.

    That said, I’m guessing the State and defense both agreed to try and calm things down and that it would be what George wanted.

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  17. lovemygirl says:

    Just had to laugh at the Leatherman blog.
    Hey, Deb and D-Man got honorary special mentions.
    There is some clown claiming to have inside info from FDLE that indicates accomplices. Phone calls between GZ and his buddies, someone speeding away and a cockatoo.

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    • eastern2western says:

      trent sawyer? come on, what is up with the accomplice crap?

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    • eastern2western says:

      can some one please tell trent that there were cars coming in and out of the complex after the gun shot. seeing a flicker of light does not mean seeing a silver ridgeline driving. that guy is just weird.

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      • lovemygirl says:

        Weird? Other than awe-inspiring and uncanny the rest seem to apply.

        Main Entry: weird  [weerd] Show IPA
        Part of Speech: adjective
        Definition: odd, bizarre
        Synonyms: awe-inspiring, awful, creepy*, curious, dreadful, eccentric, eerie*, far-out, fearful, flaky*, freaky, funky*, ghastly, ghostly, grotesque, haunting, horrific, inscrutable, kinky*, kooky, magical, mysterious, occult, oddball, ominous, outlandish, peculiar, preternatural, queer, secret, singular, spooky*, strange, supernal, supernatural, uncanny, uncouth, unearthly, unnatural
        Antonyms: normal, regular, usual
        * = informal/non-formal usage

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    • diwataman says:

      They are a useless lot that’s for sure, well, except for entertainment purposes.

      One particularity strange one was this user:

      http://frederickleatherman.com/2013/01/31/is-mark-omara-cutting-his-losses-and-heading-for-an-exit/#comment-65875

      They were posting Lamepapa videos one after the other at NBC and this user said something:

      http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/30/16775581-george-zimmerman-out-of-money-needs-donations-attorneys-say?threadId=3656725&commentId=73867306#c73866115

      After that the leatherhead goes bonkers and starts posting a bunch of discovery, lol. So I suppose if that clown says that all I post is crap, whatever, I should dump my 100Gb Zimmerman file on him?

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      • lovemygirl says:

        I tried for the second time to post there. It will never see the light of day.
        They keep thinking there is some surprise evidence that will convict George. I was dumbfounded when the 2/26 phone data was missing.
        I’m sorry, unless there is a real logical explanation then not only should the case be dismissed but many should be arrested with handcuffs and waist chain and shackles.
        Can’t wait to watch the Crump Shuffle.

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Love, Chip pointed out the truth, as two possibilities. 1) The “Heart” cell-phone went “in-operative” during those last 2 hours. That means, no further “flash memory recordings, and NO TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS. That being true, the Crump-DeeDee story is totally FALSE. DeeDee not talking to TM, because the TMs cell was not WORKING. The ONLY other possibility is 2) Since the flash memeory was INTACT, then someone intentionally “erased” that last day for SOME REASON WE DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND. In both cases, the charges must be “removed” – because Crump-DeeDee was LYING.

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  18. jordan2222 says:

    I briefly canned the state’s reply but saw nothing about the missing 2/26 data.

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    • jello333 says:

      Nope, me neither. Bernie’s s freak, and NOT much of a lawyer. Everything I’ve read from him, and heard from him in court, is very, very amateurish.

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