I was trying to think of a way to ask these questions where people could respond honestly and openly without fear of tracking. A Poll solves the problem. *nothing is tracked, recorded, or identified in these polls.
If the federal government by law, or dictatorial fiat (EO) determined gun ownership to be unlawful. A few questions:
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Can I just blanket answer to these. No I will not comply and dam well better believe I will shoot before I give my American Constitutional Right of GUN ownership up!
Well. That’s depressing….the “yes” answer is leading.
But all it takes is one leftie to email all his buddies to take the poll and-viola—- they skew it. There’s not much else for them to do living in Mommy’s basement and eating cheese doodles.
True. Thanks.
Bingo.
They would be eating vegan cheese doodles while using Mom’s Suburban to go get an organic coffee, on their way to pick up their freebies at the local Dept. of Human Services field office then off to volunteer at the local Planned Parenthood or Peta protest..
Remember that the POtuS/DNC can always use the same social network it uses to push anything from his election to deification to skew a poll. Remember how he pulled a figure of some 400,000 out of some bodily orifice to start the ‘responsible gun legislation’ drive? Where would one find that many prObama folk on such short notice?
The 1st will be a registry. I’d like to see a poll on who would submit to a national gun registry.
Isn’t that already required for purchasing firearms? Even if it was just at the state level, what’s to stop the federal government from demanding these records? Any and all government registration is the first step to confiscation.
Not for long guns in my state.
In Texas, yes – a firearm purchased at a store is registered. Gun show or private sale – no.
Hmm. I’m gonna look into this more.
No. When a firearm is purchased at a store, a Federal form is filled out, but that form is kept onsite at the gun store. A background check is performed through NICS, but the type of firearm is not specified.
So, no, firearms purchased in Texas(!) are NOT REGISTERED.
Not registered legally anyway. Illegally, who knows? I know I don’t trust the feds to not have an illegal list. The dealer must keep a record of every gun that comes in and leaves their store. ATF checks this paperwork, not far fetched that the ATF illegally makes a list while checking this paperwork. In this day and time when they can have cameras on their glasses, who is to say what they’re recording even without the dealer’s knowledge?
In Florida, if purchased from a dealer, new or used, you do file a 4473 on a rifle or pistol. If you buy a new or used firearm at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to fill out the ol’ 4473. Now a private citizen can sell their own private firearms without any tracking documentation except for a personal bill of sale. Most private citizens regardless of the media hype, are very aware of the individual they are selling their gun to and do it in a moral and ethical manner. In all of my decades of gun ownership, I have never personally experienced a problem selling a firearm to another law abiding citizen (I check) and don’t know of any friends that have ever been notified that there was a problem as a result of their choice to sell a personal firearm. There are websites available to check serial numbers of used firearms and I’ve never come across a stolen gun either. These same websites allow you to post information at no cost if you have had a firearm stolen. I think we’re doing a pretty good job at keeping America safe. We don’t need the government infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights!!
Are you telling us that if you purchase a brand new gun from a dealer at a “Gun Show” (in Texas) that you aren’t required to fill out a 4473? That would be an illegal sale in any state. Private sale doesn’t require a 4473 on the second sale of a gun. Every brand new handgun and all long guns in the state of Florida require filling out the 4473, which is a full background check. That in my mind essentially is a form of registration and the BATFE does have access to those forms.
A DEALER, yessir, forms/checks are required. But an individual can set any booth or table up at a show that they wish and sell their brand new gun to whomever.
Thanks for your reply. In all my years had I heard of such a thing! I’ve lived across this whole country and all new handguns required a 4473 and a phone call. What kind of backlash have you experienced because of your lack of background checks?
I failed to ask why a promoter allowed anyone to set up a table knowing the renter was intending to circumvent the law? That would open them up to absolutely huge liability risks. The practice of a lawful dealer completely disregarding long established law doesn’t seem to me to be one of the safest, most logical practices. That recklessness is what has all the Anti’s, the Feinsteins’ and Michael Bloomberg wannabes running around town trying to close down the law abiding dealers and ultimately impact all of us law abiding legal citizens negatively.
This is the same government that can’t control Medicare fraud and can’t locate all the foreigners that came here on a temporary visa and never left when their visas expired. And they’re going to maintain an accurate registry………please!
Maybe I should have added.. the same government that tells us the presidential election was fair and Obama won when we have more votes recorded than there are registered voters….and.. surprise of all surprises…the Commie Obama won. Yeah, the same ‘government’………….
You say ‘can’t,’ but it’s probably more like ‘won’t.’
Don’t forget: This, the US government, is also the same government that has organized the drafts of millions and the internment of tens of thousands. You trust all politicians to sacrifice potential access to money, power, and influence for the sake of their constituencies?……please.
Maybe I should have added.. the same government that tells us the presidential election was fair and Obama won when we have more votes recorded than there are registered voters….and.. surprise of all surprises…you still trust that this government cares a wit about its solvency when it spends [tax] money to benefit people who likely depend on this [Medicare] for their livelihood [because of government promises], or trying to fence out potential [illegal] voters that will likely remember who it was that ‘can’t locate’ them when election time comes around. Yeah, the same ‘government’………….
As Wee says, here in TX, they are registered with the State. Those records are not SUPPOSED to be turned over to the Feds without a specific subpoena however.
Wazzup Tex? This is the 3rd. comment I fetched outta teh spam hellz for you!
What ya’z doin’ to me? Guess it’s time for me to go to sleepy time. Somebody out there in the interwebs must be watchin’ me send silly pictures out and about!
Am I reading this wrong. Most people would turn in their firearms, fight back, and be willing to kill an officer? That doesn’t make sense to me.
, Those that would keep their guns would fight back that’s what that means
Moisture. I need to put my affairs in order I guess
That is supposed to read moi. Not. Moisture. Gad!
Damautocorrect.
“If the federal government by law, or dictatorial fiat (EO) determined gun ownership to be unlawful.”
The British got all shot up back in 1775 when they made that attempt. Expect similar results if attempted in modern times.
We fired once more and the British kept a coming therewasn’t quite as many as there was a while ago Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
I know one Brit I would like to see hushed, Piers.
Hilda-beest II is resigning.
http://moelane.com/2013/01/09/hilda-solis-resigned-as-secretary-of-labor/
Oops. Wrong thread.
uh uhh….I’m pleading the 5th.
Me too.
Let’s revisit my EO #6102…eighty years ago this April 5 (1933)…
“All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933…”
There were a few exceptions. Penalty was $10,000 fine and/or 10 years in prison.
Substitute “guns” for “gold” and you’ve got Déjà-vue, peeps, Déjà-vue.
I forgot to ask…are gold purchases now reported to the Feds?
OK, ok, Eleanor…it’s Déjà-vu. Kiss my pelvis.
F.D.R. in Hell (@FDRinHell) says:
‘I forgot to ask…are gold purchases now reported to the Feds?’
Things seem to be going that way:
Government Moves to Tax, Track All Gold Transactions:
http://www.shtfplan.com/precious-metals/government-moves-to-tax-track-all-gold-transactions_07212010
Gov’t HORROR: IRS to begin tracking gold and silver coin purchases
http://www.thedailycrux.com/Post/34891/Gov-t-HORROR–IRS-to-begin-tracking-gold-and-silver-coin-purchases
IRS to begin tracking gold and silver coin purchases 1-2012
http://www.dailypaul.com/140449/irs-to-begin-tracking-gold-and-silver-coin-purchases-1-2012
All Gold To Be Tracked?
http://www.thedailybell.com/1224/All-Gold-to-be-Tracked.html
How did that not violate the 5th amendment?
“….no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Guns are specifically mentioned as citizens right in Constitution therefore words can not simply be substituted re your earlier EO.
You really were a piece of work
‘How did that not violate the 5th amendment?’
Short answer: It did. It’s just that FDR didn’t care. This is the same guy that kidnapped thousands of people and held them in concentration camps through WWII.
Interesting side story: JM Keynes, whose economic doctrines were then taking root, profited from that EO… he wasn’t the “brilliant investor” that he’s often made out to be. He was actually pretty terrible:
From WSJ:
‘Keynes wasn’t a very good macro manager. He lagged behind the British stock market miserably until 1928, and he had 83% of his primary portfolio in stocks going into the fall of 1929.
“It’s hard to time the markets,” Mr. Chambers says. “Keynes struggled with it, and then he missed the 1929 crash—even with an unrivaled network of information sources.”
He was 83% long going into the downturn that resulted in the 1929 crash.’
So what Keynes did was invest his money in gold and mining, persuade FDR to confiscate the gold, and then convince FDR to mandate that the price of an ounce of gold be higher… Profit!
These results are dismaying.
????? You’d surrender yours, going against your own rights in the Constitution? Or do you mean that because the numbers are not greater?
Last time that I bought precious metals, I paid in cash, and didn’t give my name.
Right now, the thing to get are nickels.
Why nickels?
Melinda Herman, Mom Who Shot Intruder, Inspires Gun Control Foes
1/09/13 07:47 PM
“Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?” Donnie Herman said.
His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.
“He’s in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?” Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.
After Donnie Herman told his wife police were on the way, he started shouting: “She shot him. She’s shootin’ him. She’s shootin’ him. She’s shootin’ him. She’s shootin’ him.”….
“OK,” the dispatcher responded.
“Shoot him again! Shoot him!” Donnie Herman yelled. He told the dispatcher he heard a lot of screaming
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/melinda-herman-mom-who-shot-intruder_n_2443920.html?1357783993&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D255162
didn’t like second question. I wouldn’t “fight” them if they came to my house, because I would be outnumbered and outgunned probably. I would be gone from the house and fight them on my terms. question 3- Yes
2 words:
Molon Labe!
http://thefiringline.com/HCI/molon_labe.htm
Larry Pratt on Piers Morgan Round Two. Larry Pratt does brilliantly.
http://www.theendrun.com/larry-pratt-british-gun-crime-stats-a-sham
An article that clarifies how the British government under reports crime, and that there was no *change* in the rate of gun homicides as a result of the bans passed across the pond.
‘To begin with, More Guns, Less Crime author John Lott has recently explained that this is a misleading representation of the statistics: Yes, the gun murder rate is relatively low in England and Wales, but it was already low before the ban, and the stats do not show a decrease in murders committed with guns (nor overall murders) since the ban was instituted, as Morgan implies. “There is a difference between levels and changes,” he notes. Meanwhile, The Telegraph reported in 2009 that gun crime had “almost doubled in the last decade”.’
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‘In this article, the authors explained that “the violent crime rate has risen dramatically and steadily since gun bans have been instituted,” and that Britain had accordingly lost its reputation as an “unusually safe and crime-free nation”.’
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‘Quoting from these articles, Pratt noted the following:
–“Officers said that pressure to convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had resulted in a long list of ruses to ‘massage’ statistics.”
–Sgt. Mike Bennett says officers have become increasingly frustrated with the practice of manipulating statistics. “The crime figures are meaningless,” he said. “Police everywhere know exactly what is going on.”
–“Officers said the recorded level of crime bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime being committed.”
But that’s only through 2000. Has this problem gone away in recent years? No. ‘
Yes. I’m a good little conformist drone, and I’d happily follow the law. Go ATF! I want to lick your boots because you Special Agents are so awesome! I will bow to you and offer up my guns because I know that if I’m a good little conformist prole, you will protect me! I don’t need my guns to protect myself. You can have them. Keep up the good work ATF! I know a good job when I see it, and you guys have a hard task!
And please feel free to sell those guns to Mexican drug cartels so you can find the bad people, oh wise and beneficent only ones qualified to have guns!
You guys rock, ATF!
And wouldn’t it be amusing to turn in my work gun as part of that process, then tell them that it got stolen.