Tuesday Open Thread – November 27th

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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85 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread – November 27th

  1. doodahdaze says:

    And now the GOP is trotting out Jeb Bush. This means they will lose to whatever democrat runs in 2016. This is a lost cause. The GOP is not worth fighting for.

    • ctdar says:

      Everyone should change party affiliations to independent….most states only allow designated party to vote in primaries. That recorded change would create a stir in elections if projections change originating from primaries

  2. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ everyone! Ramirez.


    • texan59 says:

      Most likely what will be learned is that the only way to win is to hire folks like the KR, Morris, Steve Schmitt and all of the other great “consultants”. IIRC, one story about Jeb yesterday noted that one of Mitt’s consiglieri was seen in the crowd. Seems to me that those running the show outside the arena are just as bright as those inside the ring. Who knew? :evil:

  3. texan59 says:

    One stategery for cliff-diving. Seems to make some sense, which means Boehner will never even take a look at it.


  4. texan59 says:

    What’s ahead for our Cajun friends. Big $$$$


  5. texan59 says:

    Brad Thor doesn’t like higher taxes either. I guess I shall buy his books rather than borrow them. :)


  6. texan59 says:

    If there’s any question about why we’re in trouble. Mr. McConnell is on top of the problem. :roll:


  7. WeeWeed says:

    Breakfast – gotta hit the road! :D


  8. texan59 says:

    EPA alert! It never ends. Is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?


  9. ctdar says:

    Sharia law enacted in Libya….tell me again the reasoning of why Ambassador Stevens was sent there?


    • texan59 says:

      I’m sure those aren’t “good” homosexuals like ours. There will be a rationalization from the left as to why those men must be eliminated.

  10. Auntie Lib says:

    Off to the salt mines. But the question that has been nagging at me for weeks is ringing louder and louder: WHERE IS GEN. CARTER HAM?????

  11. 1harpazo says:

    The Republican Party cannot legally confirm any vote integrity. It’s time to leave the Republican party. The GOP is virtually dead. http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    • stellap says:

      The alternative? Wouldn’t it be better to continue to try to effect change from within? In my opinion, third party is biting off your nose to spite your face. The progressives in the Dem party didn’t get where they are by giving up – they kept fighting. That’s what we need to do. It won’t happen over night, but it won’t take as long as it will building a new party. I’m open to good suggestions that lead somewhere.

      • 1harpazo says:

        The RNP can’t verify vote count or question voter fraud which gives the DNC carte blanche in every election. There are other parties established, i.e. Tea Party, Constitution, Libertarian, etc. If enough Republicans quit and went to, say, the Constitution Party, it becomes the opponent of the DNC. In the next election, vote integrity can be legally challenged by the Constitution Party. As it stands the RNP will never win another election as the DNC is emboldened to cheat without impunity. I guess the difficult part is getting these facts out to Republicans.

        • Menagerie says:

          I am coming around to this way of thinking. I see absolutely nothing in the Republican party to make me believe they are ever going to change. I have been strung along for years with the “waste your vote” mentality. It’s already been wasted with them for some time. Why not waste it courageously?

          • stellap says:

            I disagree. Why are we giving up on the party? Progressives don’t give up – they keep on fighting until they get what they want. Now the Progressives run the Democrat party. Yet, we are ready to surrender and join the “Constitution Party”, or whatever other party, and guarantee loss for years to come? We just take our marbles and go home? Make a loser statement? What’s courageous about that?

            • 1harpazo says:

              As long as the Consent Decree remains in effect, the Republicans are going to lose. They can’t object to vote integrity. It’s not a problem inside the RNP, it’s that the RNP’s hands are tied. Another party can contest a vote count but the RNP can’t. “Make a loser statement?” is that a question of pride? “What’s courageous about that?” What’s courageous about staying in the RNP when it can’t contest voter fraud? How are you going to know that when you mark the bubble or push the button that your vote is recorded for the person you voted for?

            • Menagerie says:

              I see the Republican Party as giving up, an exercise in futility, and I have for some time. Because of my extreme concern for the actions of Obama and his progressives, I voted for Romney, hoping and praying he would get elected and give us a chance. I do not think Romney is to blame for the loss of the election. I came to think he was a good man, and the selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate gave me a smidgen of hope that he would have the courage and fortitude to make some real changes. I am very afraid we will never have another fair and legitimate presidential election, and I believe that the movers and shakers in the Republican Party will never fight to win, nor will they have the courage to solve the debt issue. I do not have an answer, but I see no advantage at all to voting for the Republicans because I am terrified of the Democrats any longer. Change has to start somewhere, and as long as we tell ourselves it is impossible, it is. I do not believe the Republicans are salvageable. Too many of the powers that run the
              party are in it just for that – the power. They will never risk it for real change. If someone like Paul Ryan ever runs, I may support him. I just no longer consider myself to have any
              allegiance to the Republicans. Short of never ever voting for a Democrat, I cannot say what I will do.

      • ctdar says:

        If conservatives & states don’t get to the bottom of the voting “irregularities” what’s the point of continuing in the fair fight?
        Face it our rights and votes don’t matter because as it is now those occupying the whitehouse may never leave and congress’s apathy will ensure that.

        • stellap says:

          I am not disagreeing that we should pursue voter fraud/irregularities. That’s important. I disagree that we should go third party. Imo, we need to reform the party from within.

          The way I look at it, these two issues are not automatically connected. In other words, just because the Repubs are being stupid about voter fraud we shouldn’t abandon the party and pursue another party.

          • ctdar says:

            To clarify above and my earlier comment, I meant to get across not necessarily to abandon the party at the voting booth(unless you feel that strongly) but in changing to independent to make a point to the GOP that in order to get my vote they better respect the platform the party was founded on. So by not declaring republican the candidate reps when checking the voter roles prior to elections will see more independents maybe the lightbulb will go on in their heads to change their ways back to what party should run on and by real conservatives & not rinos. I had very few calls this year from candidates and only 1 came to my door; maybe because GOP candidates thought I was a vote already in the booth?

            • stellap says:

              I was really answering 1harpazo’s comment, which suggested that we could go to another party and become the opponent to the DNC. It’s a nice thought, but it would never happen.

          • michellc says:

            I usually agree Stellap, but I’m pretty much done, part of that is because I’m one of those nuts who has a hunch the S… really is going to hit the fan. The other part is I don’t see the use any longer. I do my part election after election and try to vote for the right person in the primary then the lesser of the two evils in the general election. Our state sends Republicans election after election to Washington, some good, some bad. Been doing this for quite sometime and haven’t really saw it pay off.

            I’ve always bought into the lesser of two evils, change from within but changing at the local and state level, doesn’t do much good on the national level and the national level has too many progs masquerading as conservatives running the show. I feel like I’m nothing more than a puppet and the only time they pay any attention to me is when they want to ask for money.

            As Sharon always says most of what has happened could not have happened without Republicans. Obama couldn’t use the constitution to wipe his butt with if the majority we sent to Congress did their jobs.

            I just think we’ve lost the fight and before we can change anything the country will have to hit rock bottom.
            I’ll pray for our leaders and I’ll even pray for Obama to change his heart because I believe that is expected of me, but working for these folks, trying to change the party that is resistant to change and could care less about the country and only cares about politics, I’m pretty much done with, I’m putting that in God’s hands.

        • Sharon says:

          It appears that those who have the responsibility to deal with voting irregularities aren’t interested in dealing with voting irregularities. If they were, we would be aware of it, for the media would be on a full scale frontal assault against them. For several years now, George Soros has been funding a drive to control as many as possible of the Secretaries of State. Looks to me like his efforts have paid off.

          stellap’s right about the two issues not necessarily being connected. However, I think I disagree (and I put it that way because I know I’m fraught with disgust these days and may not be thinking rationally on all points–)…I think I disagree about the potential reforming the repubs from within. I see nothing on the national landscape indicating that enough sound conservative republicans can get their hands on the levers of power to change what’s happening. Seems that needs to happen within the next 24 months, prior to the next election, to be able to salvage the party and the nation.

          Sellout republicans no longer have to fear an uprising to throw them out, as far as I can see. They’re being pretty open about caving on taxes, openly saying they did it and ready with a random list of excuse-reasons. They have no fear of anyone in the republican party–certainly not the kooky far right extremists (that would be us).

          • Menagerie says:

            Sellout Republicans are pretty sure that pesky Tea Party problem is over for them now, and they don’t have to hide their stripes. I never believed them anyhow. They have never been, and never will be, trustworthy. They are equally complicit in the destruction of this country. If they were not, congress would have manned up, and at least made the attempt to do their job and stop Obama and his minions.

          • 1harpazo says:

            Did y’all read the 1982 Consent Decree that the RNC entered into with the DNC? It’s not that the RNC won’t contest voter fraud, it’s they CAN’T.
            From the Consent Decree: The RNC will:
            (d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

            (e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

            (f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.

            As modified in 1987, the Consent Decree defined “ballot security activities” to mean “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud.”

            • Sharon says:

              Yes, I have read that. IOW, the republicans have signed off on and agreed to restrictions preventing prevention and investigation of voter fraud. How nonpartisan of them. That’s like issuing rubber bullets to the Marines serving in hostile territory ………..oh, wait a minute……….

  12. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    I thought that I would post this story about this Sandy victim who now realizes that Obama just used her for a photo op then abandoned her is going public.


    • Sharon says:

      Good article…and here’s a bit that explains a lot:

      Of the 100% of Americans who exist, about 66% are eligible to vote. These are all rough estimates.

      40% are actually registered to vote.

      25% of the total American population will probably, actually go vote.

      Therefore, a candidate needs 13% of the population to win.

      But, and this is a big but, of the 25% of the population that can and does vote, 9% will vote straight Democrat usually and 8% will vote straight Republican.

      That leaves 8% left.

      2% of that 8% of people will be single issue voters. Of that 2%, most of the single issue voters will tilt slightly to the GOP on issues of guns or abortion, but there are also single issue pro-choice voters, single issue anti-gun voters, single issue gay rights voters, etc.

      That all leaves 6% of the population. In other words, to win an election, a candidate must really get 4% of the population to support him because that is the majority of the undecided 6%. A Republican must get a bit more, but then can draw from single issue voters a bit more than Democrats.

      Good grief.

  13. Sharon says:


    Fluke…is the condom rights advocate turned Georgetown Law School martyr who testified before Congress about the hardships encountered by young female law school students who couldn’t afford to pay for their own birth control pills

    Time magazine believes that a self-proclaimed sleep-around who gotta have her hookups paid for by taxpayer money is representative of this year in these Untied States, so she’s on their final list. They are probably right, unfortunately.

    We need to stop arguing with those who still defend, explain and promote the progs; rather, we need to believe what they say about themselves. Their lives and their choices are a proclamation that they do choose to stand with darkness and untruth. Now if they should decide that their promotion of darkness is costing them too much and desire to get out, they know where to find us.

    • Menagerie says:

      One evening in October
      When I was about one-third sober
      And was taking home a load with manly pride
      My poor feet began to stutter
      So I lay down in the gutter
      And a pig came up and lay down by my side

      Then we sang “It’s All Fair Weather”
      And “Good Fellows Get Together”
      Till a lady passing by was heard to say
      She says, “You can tell a man who boozes
      By the company he chooses”
      And the pig got up and slowly walked away

  14. aliashubbatch says:

    Idea: What if in following elections, we nominate the ordinary citizens who walk among us as our representatives and senators?

    • Sharon says:

      How could that be accomplished in the current primary system? Even in a general way, it was obvious in last year’s primaries that Romney was the pre-selected. The same thing happens at state level.

      • aliashubbatch says:

        …That, I don’t know… :(

      • aliashubbatch says:

        In a sense, this is just a pipe dream to me, that it is the citizens themselves that are called upon to serve as our representatives. That the brightest and most honest people who you know, the ones who not only have the morality we would seek in a politican, but also the conviction to stand by their principles and…words escape me on how to describe what I would like to see. As of now, I’d rather be rid of most politicians in DC right now. :(

        • Sharon says:

          I completely agree with all of your thoughts. Reality is very discouraging these days.

          Heavy hearts we have. The history of America has been “hey, let’s git ‘er done!” … and now we’re in the midst of an unraveling and a shadow being cast by the tree that’s been growing in our midst for a hundred years or more. It’s such a significant unraveling that we are hard put to find a place to take hold to wrench things back in place.

          On one end we have the enthusiastic “Hey! Let’s kick some butt!” and on the other a deep deep sadness, slumped by the side of the road, that says, “I don’t know if this can be fixed.”

          I’m reminded of soldiers who died on Iwo Jima, not knowing if their comrades would be able to win the battle. Men who died in the trenches of France, unable to know if Hitler would be defeated. In some way, I feel like our sadnesses and excesses on both ends of the spectrum have to do with the reality that we are in the midst of a life and death battle, and we know–right now–that we are not sure how it’s going to turn out.

          My own bluntness can sometimes discourage others, and my own despair can sometimes nearly take me down. Somehow, in the cause of liberty, can we find that way of fighting well, even if we don’t see the end of the battle, even if we must leave the battlefield not knowing for sure who won? (And I’m directing that question at myself as much as anyone…)

          If it were easy, everyone would be doing it! So we can be encouraged in that, I guess. We’re in this together.

        • cajunkelly says:

          alias, I know many bright and honest people, some (DH is a perfect example) I think would make wonderful truly conservative representatives.

          BUT, would we truly wish that sort of hell on them? They’d be ripped apart bone by bone the socialist media. The liberals would have their babies (the ones not aborted) cutting their teeth on their bones. Extreme analogy? Yep, but IMO appropriate.

          And, IF they somehow survived the liberal machine and miraculously won, could they survive the “son/daughter here’s how it’s gonna be done” meeting other so-called conservatives would have with them their first day in office?

          Like Sharon, I’m beyond sad. I had such high hopes that at least we’d take a tiny step in the right direction if we got obama out of power, even if it was replacing him with a RINO.

          Those of us with a burning desire to save our beloved country were crushed under the heels of the 47%.

          I don’t know where to go from here. I’m not sure I’d want to if I knew.

          Maybe with time I’ll climb up out of this defeatist pity-pit. (shrug)

    • cajunkelly says:

      Won’t work. Just as is true with justice, elections go to the person with the most money…at least on a state level.

    • Josh says:

      Many corrupt politicians start out (at the local level) as ordinary citizens. They see what they can get away with because no one is watching. The corruption then comes easy.

      To nominate an ordinary citizen, that citizen would have to want to do the job. Too many good ordinary citizens don’t get involved for whatever reason. It would then be nice if those who nominated them would back them and keep an eye on them while they were in office. We get them in office and then turn away as if “job done”. NO, job just beginning…


      It is obvious that the “big” politicians to not have to listen to us. The local ones do. How many of you attend your local meetings? I’m going to guess few, if any :-(

  15. ctdar says:

    Today’s news: McCain, Graham and others are significantly troubled by the answers and non answers given by Rice after thus mornings sit down regarding her participation in the Benghazi cover up. ((Face slap))

    • Josh says:

      Though significantly troubled, McCain, Graham and others will do nothing. If B. Hussein Obama wants to promote Rice, they will go along with it.

  16. cajunkelly says:

    dammit to hell and be gone! I was *so* excited about this movie:

    This is an amazing author who has done an extensive series of novels based on this character, reaching way back (in a short story) to the time he was thirteen.

    Why in the juicy HELL did they pick Tom Cruise to be Jack Reacher? :evil:

    The character is approx. 6’6″ tall and weighs about 280 lbs.

    His size is a large part of who this character *is*. He’s as bad-assed a fictional character as I’ve ever read about…a no-holds barred former Army MP gone rogue. I have no idea how this jackass is going to pull this character off.

    I am *so* pissed this wimp was given this role. I will NOT go see this movie now, and I have serious dobts about ever buying another book in this series.

    Guess I’ll just go back to reading Harry Bosch books.

    Did mention I’m PISSED? :evil: :evil: :evil:

  17. Arkindole says:

    “Angry Protesters in Tahrir Square: Morsi Will Fall Tonight”


    The Won (pardon; “The Savior”) and Miss Piggy might be busy with a counter move.

    • Menagerie says:

      Those names are as good a description as has ever been applied in one word, or more to that evil, incompetent destructive pair of bitches. Fifty to the cuss jar.

  18. ctdar says:

    Maybe Conservatives should descend upon 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as the 100,000 protesters descended upon Cairo todayi n objection to Morsi’s power grab.

    • aliashubbatch says:

      Need a refresher on Morsi:

      1.) is Teh Won cool with him; if so, then
      a.) would the protesters be viewed by the machine (read the media) as “right winger zealots”
      2.) don’t think there is a “2″ actually (at least not one that I see) >_>

    • Josh says:

      Or…maybe Conservatives should actually get involved and take back their country one municipality at a time…

      • doodahdaze says:

        The surge? Get the Pitchforks!

      • texan59 says:

        That is being done if you look at the county electoral maps. You see vast arrays of red with intermittent patches of blue in most of the States. If you pull out CA, IL, NY and a couple other States, the only blue you see is in the major cities. In TX, we have Houston, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio, with a patch of blue along the border. Of course, that is half the population of the State. The big cities are going to have to burn to the ground before they change. That may well be coming.

        • WeeWeed says:

          THAT’S the ticket!! :D

          • texan59 says:

            We can all sit on this or any other blog and piss and moan (pop’s favorite expression) about the POTUS or Senator who is an idiot or dangerous. There really isn’t much that all of us together can do to affect those races.

            We CAN impact our individual school board. We can affect our County and/or town council. We CAN affect our local party by becoming precinct captains and vote monitors and such. The State parties are gonna be run by the big donors. But, if you have enough precinct captains you can affect your county party. When you have enough Counties thinking the same way, you can begin to affect the State party. None of this will happen overnight.

            Just look at the libtards. They have been working this since Teddy and the roughriders went into office over 100 years ago. They kicked it into gear with Woodrow and his gang. Then it was nearly 15 years later that they got Frankie in office and he really kicked it into gear during his second term. Then you have to go nearly another 20 years before LBJ kicked it in again. You go from ’68 to ’92 before Crooked Stick and Hildebeast came on strong.

            They haven’t gotten us here over night and we sure aren’t gonna get out of in one or two election cycles.

    • cajunkelly says:

      We have one major negative when it comes to protesting in DC, as opposed to the filthy librul progs;


      • doodahdaze says:

        Raise your deductions to 16 and then let them try and collect? Ahh Dunno. Seems like the big fight is over a couple points of tax rates. Easily overcome if the GOP does not mess with the deductions. You can Tax Plan your way out. The big kibosh is they are dead ass broke. They are borrowing 1 Trillion a year to fund the welfare scam.

        • cajunkelly says:

          I was referencing this:
          Maybe Conservatives should descend upon 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…

          but I understand what you’re sayin,,,,but as an “insider” I’ma tell ya now…I *ain’t* messin around with the IRS. They have no reservations re takin the turnip.

  19. Josh says:

    WHEN this blogger writes, they write well:

    A Sustainable Life? Says Who?

  20. Sharon says:


    Under guise of caring about disabled “children” the Senate is headed toward approval of a UN treaty, which will submit Americans to international law in lieu of national/sovereign law.

    The major problem on the issue apparently is NOT the core of the treaty itself (“we intend to care for disabled”) but that it sets a precendent about our nation submitting to international law via the UN….it would move the government into the place of having the final say on decisions for special needs kids, instead of the parents having that final say. (Article 7 of the treaty)….

    There’s a good and highly understandable video at the link. I received the e-mail from a MN friend whose family cares for the 50 year old disabled/blind/retarded sister of the husband in their home and always have. This treaty would remove the rights of decision from their family–however, again, the other effect is fully as important as that one issue–international law will take precendence over US law.

    From their e-mail:

    Please give your senators some or all of this message:

    “I urge you to oppose the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. This treaty surrenders U.S. sovereignty to unelected UN bureaucrats and will threaten parental care of children with disabilities. Our nation already has laws to protect disabled Americans. This treaty is unnecessary and will hurt families. If the Senate ratifies this treaty, it would be the first time ever that the U.S. has ratified a treaty that obligates us to recognize economic, social, and cultural entitlements as rights under domestic law.”

  21. ctdar says:

    Gov Chaffee of RI reversed his decision regarding the kabash on this years Christmas tree lighting within 24 hours!! :lol:
    Kudos to the power of the people and the press that supported the outrage

  22. ctdar says:

    Omg Alan Colmes has had some serious plug work or is wearing an awful monster toupee!!!! He looks like Davey Crocket!!!!!!
    Aghhhhhhh eye bleach please!!!!!!!

  23. dizzymissl says:

    Holy crap, you have to see this:


    At some point, Beck decided that submerging an Obama “bobblehead” doll in urine (later revealed to be completely fake) was necessary to convey his artistic message. He of course realizes this will be controversial and that many will find his use of the Obama figurine to be disrespectful. The idea, for Beck however, is not to be untoward, but through irony, to highlight the hypocrisy of those who would shout in defiance at defacing the image of a sitting U.S. president, but not that of an image so sacred to Christianity — the world’s largest religion.

    Of course, Beck’s “art” is similar to the infamous anti-Christian photograph titled “Piss Christ,” showing a small plastic crucifix soaked in the artist’s real urine.

    Here’s a visual representation of how it all went down:

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