11-25 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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98 Responses to 11-25 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. justfactsplz says:

    George and Shellie, thinking of you as we enter this Holiday season. May the peace of God be ever with you and his strength imparted to you. Hang in there guys.

  2. jello333 says:

    I just posted this in the cell phone thread, but I wanna put it here too so it’s not missed. What do you think?


    Hmm… reading this again, I don’t think it’s the PIN for a specific phone we’re talking about. Check it out:

    “The phone is registered to Trayvon’s father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

    Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account. On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he’d check with his attorney.”

    So… the analyst said he needed the SECURITY CODE to get into the phone. Then when Singleton asked T-Mobile for that CODE, she was told that they could get it for her “if they had the PIN to the ACCOUNT.” And that’s what Tracy was asked for: Not the CODE for the phone itself, but for the PIN for the overall ACCOUNT.

    • Angel says:

      “And that’s what Tracy was asked for: Not the CODE for the phone itself, but for the PIN for the overall ACCOUNT”

      I also have been wondering why with the subpoena powers that law enforcement have, why that was not done from the get go. It would have been nice if the Martin family cooperated and gave passcode to LE but they surely did not have to depend on them doing so especially during a criminal investigation of this intensity.

      • ytz4mee says:

        And yet, Crumpster has said over and over again, the family has done everything possible to cooperate with the State…. this comment was made again most recently when Crumpster went on about the DeeDee phone call at the last hearing. So … if the family is willing to do everything possible to help the State…. why the deliberate obstruction regarding the cell phone and access to same from day one …

        Because what is on the cell phone crushes the narrative. Can’t let actual truth shine through.

        • cosmocrash says:

          I cannot understand how a parent would obstruct justice for their child! Unreal, those Tray-parents!

        • LandauMurphyFan says:

          “… if the family is willing to do everything possible to help the State…. why the deliberate obstruction regarding the cell phone and access to same from day one … ”

          Because obstruction of access to the cell phone – indeed, any form of obstruction to an investigation into the FACTS of the case – IS helping the State. Remember, the State’s declared goal in this case isn’t to ascertain the facts of the matter, nor is it the State’s declared goal to see that GZ is treated with fairness and justice. The State’s declared goal is solely “justice for Trayvon” – and they don’t want to see, hear, or otherwise be forced to admit awareness of any evidence that doesn’t fit with their plan to achieve that preconceived goal.

          Certainly they’re not about to admit that a violent person who meets a violent end has already been meted out justice.

        • myopiafree says:

          Crumpster – always lies.

    • diwataman says:

      It’s weird though. My wife has T-Mobile and there is no such thing as a “pin number to the account”. The only time the word “pin” would enter the conversation is the pin number to access the messages when calling voice mail. Or unless one used a PIN number to lock the phone, which she doesn’t use. If you asked her “what is the pin number to your account?” she would tell you there isn’t one, the question makes no sense.

      In the report it says “swipe code” so by that I take it to mean there was a pattern lock on the cell phone, instead of using the PIN number option. Looking around the internet there seems to be a few ways to bypass the swipe code but Google can access it without risking losing anything. T-Mobile says on the site that a factory rest would bypass it but I assume by doing that whatever is in there would be erased.

      In the report Santiago says to Tracy if he could obtain the “pin number from the victims cell phone” So what is Santiago talking about here? So it’s not a swipe code/pattern lock? It’s actually a PIN lock? This just confuses the matter.

      I’m wondering if T-Mobile said that if Singleton got the cellphone number and the “PASSWORD to the account” and Santigao just mistakenly put “pin number” in the report. That would make more sense. But I’m wondering why T-Mobile would not say that as an option instead of doing a factory reset. Maybe when I get time I’ll call T-Mobile and ask them. If this is the case then Tracy can easily provide the password to the account as it’s his account.




      • diwataman says:

        Okay, I called them and there is a PIN number to the account, my wife just never thought of it as such because it was never referred to as such. By default it’s the account holders last four of their social security number BUT you can change it. It’s what you need to give the representative when calling them in order for them to access the account from their computer.

        However, the call taker was a bit sketchy on bypassing the pattern lock and what she could do about that. I called on the general line so I might try again on the account holders line asking someone else as if they can bypass the pattern lock.

        Either way, it seems all Tracy had to do was give the police the last four of his social, which the police might already have, in order to give that to T-Mobile so they could access the account, from there they could bypass the pattern lock.

        • diwataman says:

          Okay, called again. This call taker seemed to know what she was talking about. She said there are two options that T-Mobile can do. 1) A master reset, which would delete the information. 2) If there was a G-Mail account set up with the phone and you forget your pattern lock it will give you an option to select that says “forgot your patten”, from there you have to access your G-mail account, user name and password, and you will gain access and be able to reset the pattern.

          • diwataman says:

            Actually I phrased that badly. T-Mobile really can’t, in a sense, do anything. You can do the master reset yourself but that is not an option here. The second option is to access the G-Mail account, so that is what the police have to do. The phone my wife has is also a Google phone, she said it automatically came with a G-Mail account but she doesn’t even know the sign in or password because she never used it. So now I will have to call back and see what I can do at that point, lolz.

            I’m thinking though that Tracy might not have the information to the G-Mail account. The account for the phone is in Tracy’s name and he had four phones on that account. So I’m thinking that each phone would come with it’s own G-Mail account, I think, I’ll have to ask when I call back again.

            • diwataman says:

              Okay, it’s as I thought. By the way, the G-Mail account is not automatically assigned being a Google phone, I don’t know why my wife thought that but she does have one on there she just doesn’t use it.

              You have to do an account recovery yourself of the G-Mail account. For that you would need the E-Mail address you used to set up the G-Mail account which is something they won’t have. So technically speaking they would need to ask Tracy for Trayvon’s email address he used when setting up the G-Mail account, which is something they may not have if he had multiple E-Mail accounts though I do remember them saying something long ago about them accessing his email account. From there they can reset the G-Mail password, then be able to bypass the pattern lock.

              If by chance the phone is not a pattern lock but instead a PIN lock, the process is much easier and for that you would call T-Mobile and they give you a PUK number which will unlock the phone. Which then we would be back to asking Tracy for the last four of his social.

              I was told if a G-Mail account was never put on the phone, it is impossible to bypass a pattern lock. Can’t the CIA or NSA handle this sort of thing? What about all of those terrorists using phones? Just use pattern lock and foil homeland security?

              I’m thinking if they can’t reset the G-Mail account then they will, as the article says, have Google themselves do it which looks like it’s going to take a court order. But there looks to be other options such as trying to see the pattern lock by the smears on the phone or hacking it.

              • jello333 says:

                Good work once again. This is an example of why the GZ-haters, and I’m sure even the Scheme Team themselves, just, well… HATE us. You, Sundance, and several others here have spent countless hours in digging up info that can help George — and we’ve done that totally pro bono! “Why are these people trying so hard to find information that can help that murdering Zimmerman?! They spend hour after hour, doing all that work even though they’ve got nothing to gain. What is wrong with these people? They should just STOP!” ;)

              • ftsk420 says:

                Would that be the same Gmail account he used for his college search.

          • All this talk of gmail accounts makes me wonder why MOM hasn’t tried to subpoena Trayvon’s. Or has he and I just missed it?

          • diwataman says:

            I’m glad you brought that up because it forced me to look deeper into this. All they need to do is access the G-Mail account but given they don’t know the sign-in and password I’m wondering what the process is. When I call back I’ll let you all know unless someone wants to beat me to it, lol.

            • wrongonred says:

              I have TMO. All Android phones must either be linked to a Google account, or the functionality is extremely limited. In fact, when you unbox the phone, setting up/linking to a Google Account is one of the steps it takes you through. All of this said, it is a red herring. Getting to the Data on the physical phone itself is rather easy for anyone that has done Android Development, especially on the over Android versions like 2.2 Froyo, which is the highest OS that operated on the Comet stock. The real issue I think is extracting the data in a way which preserves it to a degree the court will accept as legitimate. Certainly if T-Mobile pulls the data instead of a Dev the Defense Team hired to do it, the results will be more unassailable legally I would think. Any pattern or Pin on the phone itself can be easily bypassed. The only thing that could protect any of it would be secure 256-bit AES Encryption, which would have to have been intentionally done by someone and would require rooting the phone. Without the Master Key for that cypher, things get very hard, if not impossible, but I would wager that is not the case here, as TMO could not do anything about that encryption either.

              • diwataman says:

                Very good. I agree. My wife tells me she, from what she remembers anyway, when she first got her phone it felt like she had to set up the G-Mail account but she never used it after that. The T-Mobile rep though told me this doesn’t have to be done.

                “Getting to the Data on the physical phone itself is rather easy for anyone that has done Android Development” Do you have any insight to that process? Like you said though, the court may want it done more “officially”.

                • wrongonred says:

                  I have a bit of insight. I am not a dev, and I have a different Android phone from TMO, (Samsung Galaxy S 4G), but the principles are the same regardless of handset. While some handsets have nuances like different partition formats and different user interfaces like Touchwiz that Samsung uses, the nuts, bolts and guts are the same. All of the data is literally stored as files on the internal harddrive. One just have to bypass the operating system to get to it. For example, typically the /SDCARD folder is the only folder one can access on their phone (this is done to protect the internal data and prevent the user from easily removing bloatware (useless programs whose developers pay to subsidize the cost of the handset, and in return, the carrier “locks” them down so they cannot be removed) or inadvertently making changes which damage the phone. To get the data off the phone, one must just circumvent the OS and go straight to the data. It is really no different than a Windows Machine which is “locked” and requires a password to access. The data you are attempting to access is not part of Windows. Windows is just the front end, just like if you look under Windows, you find DOS, if you look under Android, you find Linux. As I have said on another thread, any of the Developers listed under “Actively Developed ROMS” and below here easily have the skillset and experience on this particular handset to do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Huawei_U8150_IDEOS

                • Hugh Stone says:

                  If the phone is already unlocked, all they have to do is go to “Menu–>Settings–>Accounts and Sync”
                  Under accounts and sync, there should be the gmail address used for the phone. From there it’s fairly easy.

              • waltherppk says:

                Hmmm. I wonder if the contents of the phone could simply be copied to another identical phone that is accessible ?

      • nameofthepen says:

        D-man is on the job! I second Jello’s reaction: “Wow!”

      • mooney1el says:

        If Tracey had given the initially requested information to the SPD, would they have had access to the information for all four of the phones on his account? Perhaps he doesn’t want anyone looking into whatever other information that investigation may uncover.

        • diwataman says:

          No because they wouldn’t be dealing with T-Mobile to get into the phone so no need to access the main account.

          • mooney1el says:

            Sorry, I thought the SPD expert was asking Tracey for the PIN for the account per the instructions from T-Mobile. Having the account PIN would show T-Mobile that they, SPD, were authorized on the account. T-Mobile could then help the authorized “user” access the phone data. However, that would also then allow them to access all other account data. For example, if I gave you my account pin or password, then you could go onto the internet and access my account, see all call or text history etc. for both my and my wide’s phones.

            • diwataman says:

              No need to be sorry for anything, lol. Santiago’s, who is not an expert, exact words he wrote in his report were “asked if I could obtain the pin number from the victims cell phone”, which is not clear what he was asking for. Regardless, if the phone is pattern locked then there’s no need to go to T-Mobile. If it’s PIN locked then Tracy could call T-Mobile himself and get the PUK number and give that to investigators.


            • nameofthepen says:

              mooney1el says: “…you could go onto the internet and access my account, see all call or text history etc. for both my and my wide’s phones.”
              :lol: My “wide’s” phone? :lol:

              Mooney, the Mods shoulda done a “mercy-killing” of that typo for you! :lol:

    • lovemygirl says:

      If it is just a 4 digit numeric “PIN” just brute force of trying all 10,000 possibilities would do it.

  3. James F says:

    And now he is gone from his mother forever, only able to stare out at her as a shining face on a cellphone. She has no home videos of Trayvon. She doesn’t even have voicemail messages from him saved. The only way that she could now hear Trayvon’s voice would be to call his phone and listen to his answering message, but she dare not do it. “If I hear his voice, I think I’m going to scream.”

    If she hear’s his voice? If, Sybrina?

    So…she doesn’t actually believe the voice on the 911 recording is her son?
    She clearly states “the only way that she could now hear Trayvon’s voice would be to call his phone and listen to his answering message.”

    “If I hear his voice, I think I’m going to scream.”

    Really, Sybrina?
    She listened to the 911 recording during a hearing and she barely reacted at all.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      You typed it before I could James! I dont understand in this day in time, how some one wouldnt have someone on video. JMO

    • She didn’t react because she knows it wasn’t Trayvon screaming. I believe the entire family knows it’s not Trayvon. They can’t say that though since it would be the end of the case.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Trashcan Dad has already admitted in the very beginning that the screams were not Traydemark’s. That’s before the he was made aware of the “Truth” according to the Scheme Team. Remember Trashcan Mom’s slip-up referring to the incident as an “accident” ??

        • justfactsplz says:

          The brother also said in one of the earliest rallies that he could not be sure it was Trayvon’s voice.

          • jello333 says:

            And I remember you saying before how YOU have a strong emotional reaction to hearing the screams. And since you know George, I’d say your reaction is some good circumstantial evidence that it’s him, not Trayvon, screaming.

            • justfactsplz says:

              Absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt I know that is George’s voice. His wife was overcome with emotion also when she first heard the tape. My thoughts are always why oh why did no one come to help him. Real men are few and far between.

              • ftsk420 says:

                Nobody helped because people are afraid of becoming a victim. It’s easier to close the window and lock the door. Personally I would have helped but that’s just me I know a lot of people who would do nothing.

                • jello333 says:

                  I think I gotta admire “John”, at least. He didn’t do much, but he at least tried SOMETHING. Coming out and yelling at Trayvon to stop, and threatening to call the cops is a lot more than anyone else did. I’d like to think that I would have done more… maybe run up and kick Trayvon off George. I KNOW I wouldn’t just go grabbing at them (not knowing if he had a knife or whatever), but I would have tried something. But even then, you never know. If Trayvon was like that face-eater dude — and based on his relentless attack on George, it probably wasn’t clear to people that he wasn’t — then he very well may have switched targets from George to the person coming to help. Still though, people could have AT LEAST come out and screamed at Trayvon to stop (like “John” did).

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    I don’t know what I would do to help George and there is no telling what TM would do if I did help. I may just kick him or I may let one of my dogs out first but one thing is for sure I would have approached the situation armed.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Me too. I don’t own a gun, but I’ve always been a really good baseball player. People tell me I’m still good for my age. ;)

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    Baseball is always a fun game but the only bat I have in my house is a collectible Yankee bat and I wouldn’t use that. But people seem to tremble in fear at the sight of my Cane Corso.

                  • jello333 says:

                    I didn’t even know what that was… had to look it up. Really cool-looking dog. And looks like he’d have no trouble taking care of himself. ;)

                  • ftsk420 says:

                    Very cool dog one of the best I have ever owned. He would have no problem taking care of himself. Like I said people see him and walk the other way.

                • justfactsplz says:

                  Sad isn’t it? My husband and I would have run out to help hearing the desperation in that voice.

              • jello333 says:

                I hope you saw my comment, maybe a couple weeks ago, where I talked about explaining the case to my wife. She already knew lots about it, just from me constantly talking. But I finally sat her down and went point by point, while looking at the map of RTL and listening to the NEN and 911 calls. She had heard a little of the 911 call before, but apparently the full significance of it never clicked in her mind. But finally, as she listened to the screams and cries, SHE began to cry. And she said almost exactly what you just said… “Listen to him! He sounds like he’s scared to death. He’s BEGGING for it to stop, and nobody is coming to help.”… and yeah, she was crying when she said that.

        • anwtex says:

          Re that “accident” remark then the idiotic attempt at clean up always makes my head spin. Mainly because the complicit MSM just lets everyone spew lies and skate—-IF they are in bed with them in thought and agenda that is. Just like this Marxists leaning administration…. skate…. skate…. skate. Crazy makers……all!

          A look back:
          Sybrina Fulton told the Today show Thursday morning she believes her son’s fatal shooting was an ‘accident,’ but retracted her statement on MSNBC in the afternoon.

          In an interview with the Today show’s Ann Curry, Fulton had said,
          (1) “I believe it was an accident. I believe that it just got out of control and (Zimmerman) couldn’t turn the clock back.”

          A spokesman for the Martin family later e-mailed MSNBC-TV to say that Fulton’s comments were “mischaracterized,” and she appeared on MSNBC Thursday afternoon, where she said that
          (2) “George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood.”


    • jello333 says:

      Yep, circumstantial though it is, I think her and Tracy’s reaction (NON-reaction) to the screams during that hearing is some VERY strong evidence that these people KNOW it ain’t Trayvon on that tape.

    • ftsk420 says:

      I would like to see Dee Dee reaction to that tape. We already know Tracy said it wasn’t TM and I believe he gave Sybrina a heads up about it long before she heard it.

  4. david says:

    Fact: Martin’s do not want phone records released Fact: Martin’s do not want school records released Fact: Martins do not want social media released Fact: Martin’s do not want to produce Dee Dee…….yet the Martin’s are supposedly ambassadors of truth

  5. david says:

    I’m fascinated by the excuses and justifications given by scheme team supporters for defacing the white house petition. I’m still not sure what drives these people to act so foolishly on a federal government website.

    • LoudaJew says:

      it’s a game to them. kind of like left vs. right. I try to explain that it’s about having the right to defend yourself. the part of the issue that they always bring up is that Trayvon was a kid. the truth they feel to realize is that boys in their teens can be very dangerous. just look at what happened to Delfino Mora who was a victim of a Knockout Game and died by an unarmed teen. look at Kit Darrant who graduated with Trayvon. he strangled his mom to death at 16.

    • doodahdaze says:

      They want to kill and eat the rich white people.

    • cosmocrash says:

      The scheme team supporters are an angry, angry bunch of souls. Pitiful, actually.

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  7. david says:

    Looks like the Trayvonites have launched their own White House petition based on easily demonstrated material falsehods and the usual unfounded rhetoric.

    Investigate George Zimmerman for Civil Rights violation in his killing of Trayvon Martin
    A Neighborhood Watch Captain went on an illegal patrol and profiled an innocent child as a rogue, thug criminal, who he decided, without reason, deserved to be followed in the darkness and when he caught him he questioned and killed him. His only reason given for his erroneous beliefs was that the child was black and did not belong in the neighborhood. To defend himself with claims of “stand your ground” and “self defense” he concocted a series of demonstrable lies, claiming the child tried to take away the weapon he himself carried everywhere he went and that he was beaten to within an inch of his life, by Trayvon Martin, who had no dna or other trace evidence on his hands. Even while Zimmerman was covered with his own blood. Evidence that Martin never touched Zimmerman at all.

    Created: Nov 25, 2012

  8. doodahdaze says:

    If this ever gets to a jury it will be hung. Whites will vote not guilty and blacks guilty. There might even be jury mayhem and fights. The case is about are you black or are you white. Florida picks juries from the list of driver liscense’s now.

  9. david says:

    I see that NBCEDITpapa even made a video for their fallacious misinformation ridden petition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ua8aXGNclc&feature=youtu.be

    • rumpole2 says:

      It’s sad that modern technology is so misused by people like LIMPapa
      He transmits puerile graffiti than was formally confined to public lavatory doors

      • cosmocrash says:

        The way LamePapa is pumping out videos has a direct correlation to the desperation they are feeling as they watch their baseless case dissolve. They must feel helpless and out of control trying to figure out what to do with all their pent up anger and hostility.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Waiting to see who the PR person will be. Tomorrow Chump and Co are having a Press conf at the State Capital Steps, right after they speak with the Coroner. Oh and the person that shot Mr Hoskins was arrested yesterday, Nov 24. Oddly here is a status post on Nov 18 stating there is going to be an arrest, which Mrs. Hoskins even posted a comment to yet did NOT deny this as untrue. SO, when did Chump “take the job”? Also, as James F posted last night, CHUMP is only authorized to practice law in Florida. I called a news anchor I know and asked this, and she is passing along to her news manager.
      Justice for Ernest Hoskins Jr
      November 18.
      *JOSH WRIGHT HAS JUST INFORMED THE PAGE THAT “Im proud 2 say after taking to prosecutor and the Fox 16 news charges have been bought up aganist Chris Reynolds and will be arrested 2ma morning or later today” * https://www.facebook.com/raina.benli#!/JusticeForErnestHoskinsJr?fref=ts

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Justice for Ernest Hoskins Jr
      By Benjamin Crump-Esq

      MEDIA ALERT: The family of Ernest Hoskins and I will speak to the media and supporters on Monday 11/26, at 12 Noon during a prayer vigil that will take place on the steps of the Arkansas State Capitol. At that time we will have just concluded a meeting with the State’s Coroner’s office and we hope to have official results. The news of today’s arrest in the Hoskins investigation has been extremely overwhelming for his widow; we are asking the media to respect her privacy at this time.

      • ytz4mee says:

        has been extremely overwhelming for his widow; we are asking the media to respect her privacy at this time.

        Hey … that’s the Trashcan Momma template. Let me run it through the Crumpster translator ~
        I need more time to work with her on the narrative before she makes comments like,”It was an accident”. Gotta get our lie story straight and consistent, first. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding, corporate lapdog media!

  10. arkansasmimi says:

    Is Serino to be deposed this week? For some reason I was thinking this week, prob one reason he has Baez hired. TIA

  11. jordan2222 says:

    I read an interest comment today that said hoodies worn by blacks are their response to KKK sheets.

    Hey, Jello: Remember that nothing is bigger than baseball.

  12. arkansasmimi says:

    Laura‏@003Laura 11 hrs ago
    I admire and respect what these folks are doing at THE CONSERVATIVE TREEHOUSE :) WOLVERINES!!

    Nice EDIT huh? :)

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