Alexander Graham Bell Would Not Be Proud……

Note to Rene:   Did you ask the FBI, or Feds?  Before publication.

(Via Stutzman and Weiner @ Orlando Sentinel)  Despite all the investigation, public outrage and scrutiny over the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, at least one major piece of evidence has not yet been thoroughly analyzed: his cellphone.

Presented as if the “cellphone” sits unattended in a vacuum closet – tearfully waiting for someone, anyone, to just ask it a few simple questions.

Police found it at the scene the night Trayvon was shot, its battery dead. Authorities tried but failed to download data from the phone, then asked his father, Tracy Martin, for the security code so they could unlock it.   They didn’t get the code and turned the phone over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

They didn’t get the code because on Monday March 5th (note the date this is the monday following the funeral services and internment – the same Monday Ryan Julison became the Media Consultant for the plan, “the scheme”.)  Tracy Martin said he needed to talk to his attorney “Benjamin Crump” first.    Why?

A crime-lab specialist there had only limited success accessing the messages, photos and other information on the phone, according to attorneys for defendant George Zimmerman.

Without the security code, FDLE analyst Stephen Brenton told attorneys, he could not unlock the phone and download information from its primary data-storage site: the chip built into the phone, said defense attorney Mark O’Mara.

This is not new news.   For several months (March, April, May, June, July, August) the phone data, central to the format of the Crump narrative, and the investigators inability to confirm Crumps version of events, were outlined as alarming and ignored by media.

Brenton was able to download files from two removable-storage devices in the phone: its SIM card and SD card, O’Mara said. But the information on its internal chip remains a mystery. It could be revealing, according to O’Mara and co-counsel Don West.

Attorney Don West IS the primary investigative entity in the case.   Don West has done the serious legwork of travel, investigation, discussion, tracing, and understanding of the actual logistics and forensic evidence.   

“Could be revealing”?   Understatement of the year.   If it were NOT revealing, or if it supported the Crump/Martin story, the phone information would not be considered “a risk”.

The phone is a 2-year-old Huawei U8150 smartphone, a model manufactured in China and sold by T-Mobile as the “Comet” and which shoots video and photos and provides Internet access plus conventional cellphone and texting features.

It could be a fount of information about Trayvon, the unarmed black 17-year-old that Zimmerman killed Feb. 26 in Sanford.   Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. He says he acted in self-defense.

In addition to revealing whom the high-school junior talked with and when and what text messages he sent and received, it could be an electronic record of what he thought — captured in email, videos and photos — and the websites he visited.

The information downloaded by Brenton at the FDLE lab “tells me the last few phone calls, but that’s about it,” O’Mara said. “It looks like there is other information that I should have.”

Dave Kleiman, a computer forensic technician and expert witness with Computer Forensics LLC in West Palm Beach, has no connection to the case and has not analyzed the phone, but he said there may be ways to get to the information from the built-in memory chip.

The phone uses an Android operating system, owned by Google, and Google may be able to bypass the security system and retrieve it, Kleiman said. A technician also could pull the chip out of the phone and analyze it, considered by some to be an extreme step because it would destroy the phone.

Why would it even be necessary to “bypass the security system”, Martin could just provide the PIN and all is apparently easy?

It’s not clear why Brenton at FDLE went no further than he did.  FDLE did not respond to an email asking about the process, and neither did the office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, which is handling the case against Zimmerman.

It’s not clear why the prosecutors were comfortable with Benjamin Crump not allowing access to investigative information?   Really?   It’s not clear…. 

Brenton analyzed the phone March 26.   It appears that no one has tried since then to pull more information from it, O’Mara said.   He said he would press Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson at a Dec. 11 hearing to order the state to provide more information about what’s on the phone.

Presumably Tracy would not know the pin for the specific phone per se’ (maybe he would, but maybe not) but THAT was not what investigators were seeking.   The T-Mobile people deal with lost/forgotten phone pins all the time – all T-Mobile needed to release or unlock the phone data to the user (Brenton) was the account security passcode to approve the unlocking.   They can remotely unlock the phone and subequent data that investigators needed.

It was this account password or passcode that Tracy Martin refused to provide.

Hmmmm, Monday March 26th?   Crump introduced the ear-witness “DeeDee” on Tuesday March 20th – the foundation for the only change in the evidence of the ENTIRE CASE from 2/26 through 3/15 when at that time “there was no evidence to suggest or show anything contrary to what George Zimmerman had repeatedly told authorities”…

Remember what Crump said at the hearing about turning over his “recordings” of dee dee phone conversation to the “FBI, who had the best sound and recording equipment”?    

The FBI AND FEDERAL DOJ became involved in the case AFTER 3/26, on 4/2….  April 2nd.   So the FBI never took possession of the phone?    The FBI conducted hundreds of hours of forensics investigative time during the month of April including analysis of the 911 calls, the Dee Dee interview, etc. etc.    But never had access to the Cell Phone?

Mmmmkay  gotcha…. 

The phone provides a link to one of the prosecution’s most important witnesses, a 16-year-old Miami girl who told investigators that she was on the phone with Trayvon in the minutes leading up to the shooting.

Note:  She’s 16 again….

In an interview recorded by an attorney for Trayvon’s family and ABC News, she said a man was following Trayvon, that he was scared, that Trayvon asked, ” ‘What are you following me for?’ ” and she heard the man say, ” ‘What are you doing around here?’ “

The phone then went dead, she said.

Note the phone interview recorded by Crump “AND” ABC News (Matt Gutman)

Trayvon’s father provided ABC [Matt Gutman] with a call log that showed several calls to Trayvon’s phone in the minutes leading up to the shooting, something consistent with the girl’s account to prosecutors.   The last was at 7:12 p.m. Trayvon was shot at 7:16 p.m., according to Seminole County Sheriff’s Office records.

The phone is registered to Trayvon’s father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

On Thursday March 1st !   Day after Funeral Director, Stanley Kurtz picked up the body and personal effects (Wed 2/29).

Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account.   On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he’d check with his attorney.

Again, note they are requesting the account password, or passcode, so that T-Mobile could approve unlocking the phone.   This is the account security PIN being requested – which Tracy Martin refused to provide upon advice of his attorney.   Why?

Again, note MONDAY March 5th – Same date Media Consultant Ryan Julison was officially on the case, brought in by Natalie Jackson at the behest of Benjamin Crump.

Martin never got back with police. At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.

Why not? 

Also, Thursday March 8th was the Presser at the law office of Natalie Jackson, it was the first public display of Sybrina Fulton and the first time she had travelled to Orlando/Sanford since the shooting (she never went to Sanford when she found out Trayvon was shot and killed).

Tracy Martin told reporters “he would not help police”.   Funny how the media never published this March 8th proclamation before this article.   Makes you wonder why?  We knew the refusal from the words of law enforcement who were being skewered for doing a poor job, but no one in the media ever admitted the Scheme Team or Tracy Martin proclaimed he would not help police…..

Well, at least that was until Pam Bondi accidentally let it slip on the Piers Morgan show that similarly Benjamin Crump was stopping DeeDee from talking to police or law enforcement investigators….   

When questioned last month about Tracy Martin’s decision to withhold the phone’s PIN from authorities, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, “I don’t know anything about that. We’re going to do anything prosecutors say we should.” (more)

“When questioned last month” by who?   Who and What is Rene Stutzman referring to here.   When was Ben Crump questioned last month, and who did the questioning?  

Odd how she, Rene, would just drop that paragraph, filled with overwhelming inference, and not explain what the circumstances were around this before unknown questioning of Crump. 

Really?  “I don’t know anything about that”, says Crump.   Amazing how the memory hole expands when Sunlight hits it.


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111 Responses to Alexander Graham Bell Would Not Be Proud……

  1. jello333 says:

    “(O’Mara) said he would press Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson at a Dec. 11 hearing to order the state to provide more information about what’s on the phone.”

    Is there some reason (I mean legal reason) why MOM/West can’t just get access to the phone themselves? I’m sure there’d be plenty of world-class hackers or other security gurus willing to get into that phone… and they’d do it for free (just for the publicity). That I have no doubt. So… can’t MOM just demand access to the phone?

    • Knuckledragingwino says:


      And they will.

      • wrongonred says:

        I was going to say, all this stuff about the phone is non-sense, in that the pin is actually needed. I guarantee many developers on XDA could have all the data pulled within an hour. We are talking about a pin, not 256-bit AES Encryption like I use on mine. With regard to the pin, I am curious as to what is pin protected. I would have assumed the SIM (I have a 3 strikes and the SIM self Destructs on my phone, but you need that to even access the SIM, or power it on. That does not sound like what it is here as it sounds like they have accessed the SIM, it is the internal memory on the phone that has not been accessed.) In any case, West and O’Mara would be well served to contact any of the developers here: Anyone who has coded a ROM for the phone likely has the Linux skillset to access the internal storage. Once rooted, you can write to the Read Only Memory (ROM) and you are in like Flynn. You can make the phone do whatever you want. I am going to say the fact this memory has not been accessed is due to an intentional lack of trying, not a lack of expertise (though I would believe that FDLE does not employ the skillset necessary to do so. They know how to use Cellbrite, but I would wager that is about it. If Cellbrite cannot do it, they can’t). If TM was smart, he would have used 256-bit encryption on his memory, which if he did, odds are, without massive CPU Horsepower, it is not going to be cracked, but he would have had to root his device to do it, plus, the U8150 only supports up to Froyo (2.2), so it does not support auto encryption. The Security is quite lax compared to Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0+). If West and O’Mara do not know about XDA, someone needs to tell them. They can find someone with the necessary skillset with this particular handset who can help them there, I am sure of it.

        • waltherppk says:

 Dr. Michael Antal can do the job or he can make referral to someone who will do the job and Dr. Antal is an active FDLE agent as well as a professional forensics consultant

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          As important as finding out the contents of the phone is the need to provide PROOF of what the contents of that phone are (any skilled hacker might be able to do the job, but few would be trusted by the courts to be allowed to perfrom this task).

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Red – It is obvious you are a technical expert. Equally, TM was not the “sharpest knife in the drawer”. I doubt that he used any meaningful encryption code. Given resolve, you could get into that phone – for numbers, internet sites visited, all numbers that TM CALLED, etc. It would be a treasure trove of TM’s electronic life. Perhaps some “interesting” videos also. Thanks!

        • Linux skills for Google iOS? Write to Read Only Memory? Maybe EEROM instead. Couldn’t FDLE just get a Search Warrant from a Judge to force T-Mobile to reset the PIN and open the phone memory? No brute force PIN (probably no more than 4-8 bit key) cracking try by FDLE?

  2. LandauMurphyFan says:

    Even if we accept that this cell phone has such world-class security that it’s unhackable (which, on the face of it, seems highly unlikely), doesn’t anyone have the power to order TrayDad to hand over the PIN that he hasn’t denied having?

    And now that a reporter has finally made it public that TrayDad admitted obstructing justice by refusing to comply with the police request to help them download info from the phone – does he just get a free pass for this? (Especially considering Shellie got charged with perjury…)

    • jello333 says:

      Good question. And yeah, I’m sure Nelson CAN order Tracy to reveal the PIN, if of course MOM/West make that request of her. But then the question is, WILL she do it?

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Jello – Two remarks: This is MOST CRITICAL. If TM was “doing drug deals”, or anything suspicious – they would be on this phone. This is why Tray-dad DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO FIND OUT WHAT TM WAS DOING AND TALKING ABOUT. But there is a second problem.
        “In addition to revealing whom the high-school junior talked with and when and what text messages he sent and received, it could be an electronic record of what he thought — captured in email, videos and photos — and the websites he visited.”
        The phone registered to Tray-Dad – was not the phone found by the TM’s body with a discharged battery. Even today, no one has attempted to find out who owned the “dead” cell phone. I think Tray-dad had Trayvons phone in HIS POSESSION all the time. Thus providing a “PIN CODE” to the cell phone not at the scene – is no help. Jello is correct – a world-class ‘hacker” could dump the contents of that phone. Lastly, and critical, as stated by other Treeper experts – WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PING LOGS FOR THE PHONE??

  3. allhail2 says:

    Huh, sounds like SPD has a good reason to create a PCA and move to have Tracy arrested for willful and intentional obstruction of an active police investigation. And issue one for Crump, too. Since Tracy had to contact his attorney re the release of the pin, and his attorney told him “no,” then Crump is also a willing party. Funny how Crump knows nothing about it now. Pick both of them up, grab some popcorn and watch the finger pointing begin.

    • jordan2222 says:

      Someone recently posted a link that clearly said “criminal defense fund” on theit donations page. If anyone has it, please repost since it now makes more sense. Maybe someone has advised Tracy to expect an arrest. Wouldn’t that be a turnaround?

      Notice Crump says he doesn’t know anything about that.. You betcha. . Got it..

      He is covering his butt but chances are that Tracy will say that Crump told him not to cooperate since Tracy said he had to talk to his attorney first.

      Does he have another attorney, unknown to us…. OR Crump? Maybe both of these rascals will need one now.

      • smoothcriminal says:

        “Proceeds support the Trayvon Martin Legal Defense Fund ”

        • jordan2222 says:

          Thanks, Jello.

        • myopiafree says:

          If they were HONEST – they would talk about black males being ABANDONED “TO THE STREETS” – AS TRAYVON MARTIN WAS – SO OBVIOUSLY.WAS. Why can’t they be HONEST??
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          • jordan2222 says:

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            Key words are Truly Unique. Maybe that means dishonest.

    • waltherppk says:

      YGTR obstruction charges should have been filed against both Tracy Martin and Benjamin Crump and both should have been arrested, jailed, and prosecuted for obstructing a homicide investigation. The missing cell phone PIN is probably no obstacle to accessing the contents of the phone no more than is a password needed to access the contents of a password logon protected computer. These passwords or passcode numbers only provide an illusion of security for honest people who also belive locks provide protection against thieves. Real thieves laugh at this stuff as a mere inconvenience. Security can be bypassed just like locks can be picked Android is an operating system on that cell phone just like Windows is an operating system on a computer. The data stored on that device is there whether or not the Android operating system is booted or whether or not anybody is logged on as a user. If the device is powered up then the data is probably accessible to another device and operating system. The data files are still resding on the chip memory or “drive” in the device. It does not even take a forensic data recovery expert to do this bypassing of security on a phone or a computer. Anybody can do it. If the files are stored as NTFS or FAT and maybe some other formats an Ubuntu Linux bootable CD is a quick way to access the files for example on a computer. It works like a skeleton key and bypasses the operating system even on a computer having a corrupted boot drive. I keep on hand a “Hardy Heron” bootable CD as a rescue disk for an unbootable / unrestorable Windows PC that is full of data but has a corrupted boot sector or unretrievable password. All you do is put the Ubuntu disk in the drive and reboot the computer with the boot from CD enabled in the BIOS if necessary, and then from the “try Ubuntu without installing” option a basic Linux operating system is loaded into memory and the Linux GUI appears providing access to all the data stored in the computer. You can copy any files needed to a thumb drive. Forensic “hacking software” works similarly. Anyway I have used a Ubuntu Linux 8.04.2 CD as a data recovery tool for computers. No logon password problem..since you won’t be booting or logging onto Windows…but using a memory residing Linux OS. Here is the download page for iso files for 32 and 64 bit versions, and a link for a tutorial how to use them. So if you ever have an unbootable Windows machine and need a skeleton key to get into it to retrieve unbacked up data…….here it is. Very simple. And see if you can do this then just think what professional data recovery experts can do :D Geeks rule. Have fun.

      32 bit iso direct download link

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  4. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    This is the first time I really looked at the call logs.


    Why is it that TM allegedly has a large number of INCOMING phone calls that suddenly cease when he gets shot? If people called him frequently, one would expect the incoming calls to continue for several days until everyone realized that he was dead. Where. Are the calls from his ” brother” Chad asking where his candy is? Where are the alleged calls from TrayDad looking for the vicious little bastard?

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Knuckle – Where were the calls from his mother – who expected him back at school? Further, since they provided DeeDee phone calls – please provide the six hours that it was claimed that she talked to TM during that day. I think this list was “Ginned up” to make the DeeDee fabrication convincing to Bernie-Corey – so they would conduct an obviously “coached” interview – followed by instantly writing a PCA for 2nd degree murder against G. Zimmerman. I think George was “framed” with these lies.

      • It is (seemingly anyway) important to remember, according to Benjamin Crump on 3/20, neither Tracy nor Sybrina even knew of “Dee Dee”. They, again according to Crump’s own words, did not know there was this person – whom Trayvon talked to. Not just on that day – but, EVER.

        This NEVER made sense. Didn’t then, and still does not now.

  5. janc1955 says:

    I’m thinking neither the phone in Tracy’s name nor the phone with the pink glitter or stars on it — the one found at the scene with Trayvon — will ever be seen again. I suspect those pieces of important ebidentz have vaporized.

    • jello333 says:

      Well, I’m certain there are a number of people who HOPE the phones disappear. For that matter, I’m sure they hope Dee Dee herself disappears. In fact, these people are probably right now trying to figure out a way to make the whole case disappear. “Alright George, all charges are gonna be dropped. Sorry for the inconvenience. Let’s let bygones be bygones, eh?” But NO WAY is George, his family, MOM, or West gonna allow this to be swept under the rug. If Crump and his buddies thought the worst thing that could happen to them is the case being dismissed, they’re in for a very rude awakening.

      • janc1955 says:

        I sure hope O’Mara has the stomach for this. He seems well entrenched in the Florida legal community. If he takes this case in the direction it should rightfully be taken, it seems a lot of people in his professional community will be exposed. I just hope he’s got the stomach for it.

        • jordan2222 says:

          Sorry but this kind of controversy probably scares the crap out of O’Mara. It is exactly why we have Don West. He charges full speed ahead as if he has nothing to lose.

          • janc1955 says:

            I got that impression as well, but isn’t O’Mara the lead attorney on GZ’s defense team? Whatever the arrangement, I hope MOM lets West keep charging full speed ahead.

            • jello333 says:

              I suspect they’re working as equals now. And I also think they’ve got a bit of the good-cop-bad-cop thing going on… but with O’Mara no longer quite as “good” as he was at the start. ;)

            • jordan2222 says:

              MOM is the lead attorney ONLY in name and by appearance to the uninformed. That would not be the folks here at the Tree House who know better.

              Just one example but there are many: He would have never taken on Lester alone nor would he have filed the appeal to have Lester recused.

              • kathyca says:

                Agree completely. And if that hadn’t happened none of the more recent turnaround would have happened. And I do believe there has been a significant turnaround. Santiago; release of social media; redaction of George’s medical records; media becoming slightly less biased to the point, today, of calling into question the misleading photos and Tracy’s stonewalling the cell phone records; and the list goes on…all because West was willing to put his name on it if I had to guess.

                • Knuckledraggingwino says:

                  I think MOM took this case expecting that if he played nice he would be able to get GZ a fair trial (leading to conviction?) without suffering damage to his reputation in the Florida legal community. Two things have changed that.

                  First: it has become obvious that the State was so prejudiced against GZ that they were eager to destroy MOM’s reputation to get GZ. MOM’s only chance to salvage his career is to win this casein a spectacular manner that will give him a bullet proof reputation.

                  Secondly: it has become obvious that the State is so gratuitously prejudiced against GZ that they were eager to be gratuitously dishonest in their prosecution. MOM has been one of the good old boys, but he has believed that in spite of certain courtesies and favoritism towards certain people, the system remained fundamentally fair and honest. Peoplemight get screwed, but only if they deserved it. Now MOMunderstands thatnthe system is utterly corrupt. He has lost his innocence. Mom has become another, somewhat more diplomatic version of Don West.

        • jello333 says:

          A few months ago, I’d say NO, he doesn’t have the stomach for it. But something seemed to change about the time of the 2nd bond hearing. That’s when it seems that MOM started getting angry, started taking things more personally, and realizing that the people he thought were decent and honorable were quite the opposite. Whether he arrived at that point all on his own, or whether West had to smack him over the head a few times, I don’t know. But something happened. So early on, nope… I don’t think MOM would have done anything that could have brought personal damage to any other lawyers. But now?… now I think things might be different. In fact, I think a lot of what he and West are now doing is setting traps, ambushes.

        • O’Mara wears pinkie rings.

  6. According to the article:

    When questioned last month about Tracy Martin’s decision to withhold the phone’s PIN from authorities, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, “I don’t know anything about that. We’re going to do anything prosecutors say we should.”

    Think? “When questioned last month”….. um, by who?

    Think? “family attorney Benjamin Crump said”… WHERE? TO WHOM?

    • janc1955 says:

      Oooh … thanks for the heads up, SD.

    • jordan2222 says:

      That is exactly the problem. Lots of folks do not THINK or question things like this.. For some, it is so much easier to let others do the thinking for them. I believe that Nobles still intentionally leaves out important details. She could have at least addressed many of the things you have said in this thread by asking the same questions.

      That is what sets the people here apart from others. We think and question every little detail. We examine all that is said by everyone, putting it all under a microscope.

      Some of us even use flashlights. LOL.

    • James F says:

      FBI and FDLE reports are included in the states 9th supplemental discovery. I am guessing this information came from there. Hopefully we’ll see it for ourselves soon, if the county clerk can be bothered to post it this year.

      • diwataman says:

        You know what’s bothersome is that those are all FBI witnesses except for W44 who was interviewed by SA Mullins of the FDLE. Which tells me there are at least seven more reports the FBI had which the state never gave to O’Mara. We know because he mentioned the same amount of pages we have. Which means Bernie did not give him all of the reports as he told the judge he did. This was the whole damn point O’Mara was trying to make with that idiot judge. What’s so hard to understand about wanting their whole file on their investigation into George? Is that such a hard thing to provide? Same goes for the FDLE. It’s not like the Kennedy assassination with millions of pages or anything, good god.

        • jello333 says:

          Didn’t Nelson say something to MOM like, “Tell the prosecution what information you don’t have, and they’ll give it to you” ? How nice of her. So now MOM/West have to play psychics, and figure out exactly what info the prosecution might be hiding?

          • diwataman says:

            Yep, for the FBI she did, he brought that up as well but she just went with trusting the “officer of the court” we all buddies, kiss-kiss, hug-hug, telling her that he provided everything. With the FDLE though she said he can go there and look at everything they have on file and get what he wants.

        • jordan2222 says:

          There is something wrong with this picture. Is Nelson incompetent or is she afraid to make a mistake? Some of her decisions make no sense and all of them will require the defense to spend more time and extra money needlessly to get what they are entitled to.

          Maybe Nelson must be spoon fed to “get it.”

      • James F says:

        I just noticed in this redacted discovery list, the state categorized their discovery by letters of the alphabet. And the list skips from ‘C’ to ‘J’. I take this to mean D,E,F,G,H and I are completely redacted.

  7. Chip Bennett says:

    Why does O’Mara have to press Judge Nelson for anything?

    The data contained on that cell phone are a critical component of discovery. I don’t see how the State can claim to have done due diligence without obtaining the cell phone data. Why can’t the defense simply subpoena Tracy Martin for the PIN, and then let Nelson hold him in contempt of court if he fails to disclose it.

    What am I missing?

    • diwataman says:

      Bah! Who needs “due diligence” when you have power! MUHAHAHAHA! Plus hey, Crump gave them a copy of his little printout of the phone records didn’t he? That should be good enough for them.

    • jello333 says:

      No, you’re right. I said in another comment that MOM/West should just demand the phone(s?) be handed over to them. And yeah, subpoena Tracy too, if need be. I saw a hilarious comment earlier today on another site. Something like, “Why do you think you need info off that phone, O’Mara? If the prosecution doesn’t think it’s important, then you don’t need it either.” Jaw-droppingly stoooooooopid!

      (By the way, wherever you’ve been hiding out… welcome back.)

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        chain of custody……if the phone is turned over , the evidence found on it becomes questionable unless there is a clear chain of evidence to show no one had a chance to tamper with it

      • Chip Bennett says:

        Heh, not hiding out; just life. New job, new house, new state; things have just been really hectic. I’m still doing my best to keep tabs on things, but just doing so much more quietly for the time being. :)

    • jordan2222 says:

      There you go again, Chip.. using logic and asking reasonable questions.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Chip – I think the Constitution provides that the defense must be provided with the ability for force the testimony of witnesses in favor of George Zimmerman. That would include forcing Tracy Martin to provide information on the two cell phones in question.

    • They could also subpoena T-Mobile directly, but going through Tracy would highlight his prior obstruction of the investigation.

  8. Reblogged this on blogsense-by-barb and commented:
    Wasn’t there something about … Oh yea, the 4th Amendment:
    Amendment IV

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    • James F says:

      So you don’t think the phone’s content as evidence is reasonable? This, even though the family’s lawyer and the prosecution have held it up themselves as crucial evidence?

      You don’t think there is probable cause to serve a warrant to Martin, who is willfully obstructing justice and refusing to cooperate in an investigation of his son’s death?


    • LittleLaughter says:

      The key word there, Barb, is “unreasonable.” I doubt the defense would be unreasonable in asking for evidence the prosecution is basing their whole charge upon…Do You??

    • Chip Bennett says:

      I’m sorry; what does the Fourth Amendment have anything to do with this story?

      (Obviously, it factors into any collection of evidence in a criminal investigation; but I’m not understanding the point you’re trying to make.)

    • yankeeintx says:

      Tracy Martin and Crump already offered up the phone records as evidence, now they have to prove it. According to Tracy, he discovered DD. (Nat Jackson, said it was a private investigator). It is the phone records that led to DD, the states star witness.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Barb – Don’t forget the 6th Amendment: RIGHTS TO A FAIR TRIAL:
      In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State…
      … to be confronted with the witnesses against him.
      … to have COMPULSARY PROCESS for obtaining witnesses IN HIS FAVOR. ***
      … and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
      *** This would include the “dump” of the cell-phone that MIGHT show that TM was not talking to DeeDee. This would also include the testimony of each police officer who interviewed George. It includes their opinion, that, based on George’s BLOODY NOSE, and battered and bleeding BACK OF HEAD, that George had been ATTACKED BY AN “BLACK IN RAGE”, AND HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DEFEND HIMSELF. The fact that Corey-Bernie REFUSED TO INCLUDE THIS EXCULPTORY EVIDENCE IN THE PCA – INVALIDATES THE “Probable Cause” document.

  9. arkansasmimi says:

    Well I got a GAG yesterday when I saw where CHUMP is spending time these days!!! ARKANSAS ! OH, and there was an arrest made. FYI Chump made it a RACE issue already. (I have not read up on this case, so unsure of the details, just gave me a bad taste seeing CHUMP and the airbrushed hoodie pix of TM being shown and related to a local issue)

  10. Eric says:

    What is it with Crump and groping women? First, he’s doing it with Sybrina and now is making the move on this woman.

  11. LittleLaughter says:

    As more and more begins to unravel, there is even more of a parallel to the Nifong debacle. I believe BDLR & Corey are well aware of what things Tracey has tried to withold. In fact, it would not surprise me in the least to learn they well know of some exculpatory evidence that would surely exonerate George, but have withheld it. Perhaps from months ago, which would explain Corey’s deafening silence. I know, BDLR is the front man in court, but Corey had no problem with an in-yer-face presser, at which she said she prayed with the Martin family. Further, I don’t think she would be content to step all the way back and allow others to handle this without her input and finger on everything. She may, in the future, claim she was unaware, but she is the SP. And with this being such a huge ta-doo n all, she would make sure she knew every stitch and seam. I think she, as well as others, see the Nifong debacle coming forth like a freight train. And they are Scared. If not, they should be.

  12. jello333 says:

    Hmm… reading this again, I don’t think it’s the PIN for a specific phone we’re talking about. Check it out:

    “The phone is registered to Trayvon’s father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

    Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account. On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he’d check with his attorney.”

    So… the analyst said he needed the SECURITY CODE to get into the phone. Then when Singleton asked T-Mobile for that CODE, she was told that they could get it for her “if they had the PIN to the ACCOUNT.” And that’s what Tracy was asked for: Not the CODE for the phone itself, but for the PIN for the overall ACCOUNT.

    • sundance says:

      Correct. Presumably Tracy would not know the pin for the phone per se’ (maybe he would, but maybe not) but the T-Mobile people deal with lost/forgotten phone pins all the time – all they need to release the phone data to the user is the passcode to the account to provide security approval for account access permitting the access. They can remotely unlock the phone and subequent data.

      • wrongonred says:

        So all we are actually talking about here is the FDLE’s reluctance to get a subpoena for the account to force T-Mobile to “unlock” the phone? This is very bothersome as it seems an intentional strategy of the Prosecution to act in an absurd fashion, solely for the same of not stumbling upon exculpatory evidence, which if they found, they would be ethically bound to turn over to the Defense. Getting Judge Nelson to issue a subpoena should not be hard, however, I fear that, these devices might have a strange habit of getting set down on an old pace maker magnet or degaussing coil while in evidence.

      • jello333 says:

        Yeah, thanks for the confirmation, because I wasn’t 100% sure I was reading that right. Seems it’s pretty clear what’s been going on: The prosecution, Crump, Tracy, all of them do not WANT to get info off that phone. They either know or strongly suspect it’s gonna be bad news for them. But as long as the phone(s?) or the data on it/them don’t mysteriously go missing, MOM/West will eventually get what they need. And when they do, I suspect it’ll do more than further exonerate George…. it will IMPLICATE certain other individuals. Popcorn time coming in the near future (fingers crossed).

    • Angel says:

      “And that’s what Tracy was asked for: Not the CODE for the phone itself, but for the PIN for the overall ACCOUNT”

      Jello0333 – That is what I thought. I never understood all this nonsense about a code for the phone itself to get information off of it. Just the code for the overall account for security reasons to get information released just like one would give a security code for a bank account to get information released.

    • SPD or FDLE could have unlocked the phone back in March by just getting a Search Warrant from a Judge which they easily had Probable Cause to do. Why didn’t they?

      • Angel says:

        “SPD or FDLE could have unlocked the phone back in March by just getting a Search Warrant from a Judge which they easily had Probable Cause to do. Why didn’t they?”

        Yes, why didn’t they? That should have been done from the get go. By LE, by GZ’s attorney of record, etc. Why is everyone all of sudden acting brand new on a criminal case and not doing what was needed to really investigate this case from the jump. Oh, I forget, Natalie Jackson did say they “had to investigate this case.” And look where this case is today.

  13. Arkindole says:

    I can’t wait for this trial. The Furman “revelation” and chain of custody fubar is going to pale in comparison for this one. For the Orlando reporting crew; one can’t help but bring up that “rats on a sinking ship” metaphor. And, all the commenters above are correct; all they need to do is verify the responsible party on the account, and bang–you’re into the phone.

  14. JAS says:

    On Android phones the passcode is a number or pattern. Without it you can only access the SD card, which is removable. The SD card only holds pictures and videos, The contacts, call history, text messages, emails and so on are stored in on-board non-volatile RAM. This information cannot be accessed without the passcode, not even by the carrier, To unlock it you have to try a passcode five times. After that, a button will show on the screen that says: Forgot Passcode?” Tapping on that button takes you to a screen that lets you enter your gmail/google account and password, giving you access to the phone. The account and password must be the same as those in the phone. It is possible that no one knows the gmail/google password and resetting it will not work because after the password is reset it will not match the one in the phone.

    I am sure thought that Goggle can do it but they would have to be ordered by the court to do it.


    • myopiafree says:

      Hi JAS, Good technical statement of this phone. With strong resolve, a good “hacker” can break the code. It is obvious no one attempted to go beyond a superficial effort. I suspect the “dead battery” Cell was not registered to Tracy. No on has investigated that issue – AT ALL.

    • Thus, if T-Mobile couldn’t unlock the phone, Google could. Thus, they both could be subpoena’d. So do Tracy first. If he continues to obstruct, make an example of his obstruction, then subpoena the Google back door.

    • jello333 says:

      Hey, thanks for that info.

    • wrongonred says:

      Android syncs to ones Google Account, but aside from that, Android is a Linux based Operating System, you just bypass the bootloader like other posters have stated, just like a Hot Boot Disk for computer recovery.Technically, these devices are rather easy to hack if we are talking about accessing/rewriting the ROM on the phone. The only way I would say this info would be perhaps impossible to hack was if 256-bit AES encryption was applied, but that would not be used for the data exchanged with the network. All of that said, it seems however, we are not talking about a hardware hack, we are simply talking about the security pin that Tracy has on his account at TMO. It is just a 4 digit number they ask you for when you call about your account. Either the 4 digits can be used, or you can supply the last 4 numbers of the primary account holder’s SSN. I speak from experience as I never remember what PIN I used, so I always tell TMO I am not sure what Pin I used, but the last four of my SSN are xxxx and they never give me a problem. The whole “phone/pin” issue is a red herring because it plays better than “Tracy refuses to give Law Enforcement authority to access his TMO account data without a court issued subpoena.” Even some of the Trayvonistas might even be able to see how those are the actions of someone hiding something.

  15. boutis says:

    Crump and Parks have been playing games with the phone for 8 months. “Jasmine Rand, an attorney who heads the civil rights division at Parks & Crump Law Firm, which is representing Trayvon Martin’s family. “I think we have all of the evidence in the world to arrest him. And I think what the state attorney is trying to do is to try the case and the investigation, and that’s not the state attorney’s job,” Rand says”

    “JASMINE RAND: I mean, I think it just—it shows that the Sanford Police Department—I mean, there was either corruption or just woeful ignorance on their behalf. They were calling the family, after losing their child, harassing the parents over his phone, wanting to get—you know, get to his phone, get in his phone. And they had the phone in their possession the entire time. So, you know, there are a lot of questions that I can’t answer, because they don’t make sense.

    The entire interview was a set up of for lawsuits. Every PR narrative was covered. If Crump is saying he did not know about the phone he is lying. His head of civil rights did and was talking about it loud and clear on a national radio show on March 20th. If Corey and de la Rosa do not have these phone records that SPD were trying to get they should be disbarred, if they do have them they should be in jail for obstruction of justice.

  16. strat4evr says:

    Who was the last known person to have possession of the phone? Is the phone still available that any body knows for sure?

  17. diwataman says:

    I figure this would be a good place for this as it went down on the open thread as well.

  18. strat4evr says:

    From the Property and Evidence Chain of Custody

    March 9th
    The phone was moved out of evidence for review by Sgt. Kent of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office at 9:13 am and returned that same day at 4:00 pm. (We do not have this report)

    March 20th
    The phone was moved out of evidence by JDB of the FDLE at 9:23am where apparently it remains to this day.(We do not have any reports from the FDLE on the phone aside from a latent print report (p.119) that was cancelled before the print test was done.)

    As far as actual released reports goes of investigation into the phone itself that is all we have.

  19. strat4evr says:

    Diwataman. Can you email me?

  20. Angel says:

    I am a little rusty but I used to work as a help desk rep for internet service provider at a major telecommunications company years ago and I am thinking that the phone itself is the physical device but the data to be transmitted has to go over a network with the physical devices needed for the mac address to know from whom and to where. So if all this is done over a network, wouldn’t that network be able to store and save that data on servers and couldn’t those records be accessed with a subpoena without the need for the passcode to the phone itself?

    • Shilo says:

      Angel – you are correct. You can look at your phone bill and see all the phone calls made and received. You can request text message copies for your personal number but can not get it for others on your plan unless you have a subpoena. The importance of the phone would be for anything that was never transmitted like photos or drafts of messages not sent.

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