11-21 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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134 Responses to 11-21 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. smoothcriminal says:

    for those who missed my post late yesterday:
    what’s that? suspended page message? LMFAO they cash train is coming to a grinding halt
    Justice™ For Trayvon Martin
    Donations are no longer being accepted.

    • smoothcriminal says:

      one final scam before shutting it down?
      See Details on Luncheon with Trayvon’s Mother $40.00 Oct 6th

      • smoothcriminal says:

        freudian slip “Proceeds support the Trayvon Martin Legal Defense Fund “????

        • froggielegs says:

          WOW!! Why does Trayvon need a defense fund?

          • doodahdaze says:

            Maybe she is afraid of having to pay GZlegal.

          • jello333 says:

            If that wasn’t just a typo or something, then it could be a big deal. It could mean that this whole thing is much closer to imploding, and the damage is gonna be even more widely-spread, than even WE imagined.

            • froggielegs says:

              I’m willing to bet it’s not a typo. While trying to find more info on it I came across this old article on Huffington post…

              “At press time, Justice For Trayvon Martin had raised $6,065, but Hall — whose company has donated its marketing efforts to developing the campaign — said that the family will likely burn through that much money in a month. The civil lawsuit could drag on for more than a year. The family will also need more money to establish — and grow — a nonprofit to raise awareness for hate crimes and to work to change the Stand Your Ground law.”


              I am not seeing where this article even it even discusses a civil lawsuit.

              • I agree that the family of Trayvon Martin should raise awareness for hate crimes.. They should spread the message to other absentee mothers and fathers to raise their children to become productive students and thus citizens, and not hateful racists who express themselves through violence.. such as Trayvon Martin. If Trayvon had been raised right perhaps he may not have engaged in drug use, perhaps he may have fared better in his studies and not accrued 50 unexcused absences from school (within a 4 month time period) and may not have commited a violent racist attack which caused his own demise.

                #NO_LIMIT_ASTRONAUT :3
                Yu aint told me yu swung on a bus driver??
                cracka got mad kuz he got dem bangaz put 2 em by a yung ASTRONAUT :3

                • LittleLaughter says:

                  I completely agree. Parents have not been teaching their children personal accountability. There’s always someone else to blame for the childs bad behavior; i.e. “that teacher doesn’t like my son.” One parent once said to me after her son had a string of problems with his school, “he is just so smart that he is bored in that classroom.” Excused it all away with a fling of her arm; it was the schools fault for not keeping him engaged enough. Also, all of the people filing frivolous lawsuits and being rewarded monetarily, when in fact it was their own lack of personal responsibility that was the cause. My state is just one of 4 left in the nation that has a contributory negligence law. Meaning, if the driver of car A was hit by car B, but car A contributed just 1% to the wreck (no DL, non-working tail lights,under the influence, etc.) then the driver of Car B is responsible for 0 in damages. The driver of car A gets nada. That’s as it should be. Though the bottom feeding ,ambulance chasing lawyers are trying hard to get this law off the books…for obvious reasons.

            • froggielegs says:

              I also came across this on the Justice for Trayvon wepay page here


              “DISCLAIMER: Please note Parks and Crump, LLC, Attorneys at Law, is a law firm that is providing legal counsel for the parents’ civil action and is no way linked to the administration of funds or the management of the Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation.”

              This is an ironic statement considering Michael Hall posts this in the comments……

              “Michael Hall · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Florida State University
              To whom it may concern,
              Thank you very much for your efforts and donations. We are overwhelmed at this point with all the matters of this case and we have not even had the time to respond to the concerns of this being a scam. These are efforts that are being handled by MediumFour the marketing agency of Parks & Crump. These monies are for the family to cover legal funds and multiple expenses to bring awareness to their case.
              Although we are able to donate our services, some things are not given for free and require monies. We have direct contact with Parks & Crump, Global Grind and all other organizations that are helping with this effort. You can again, like Mr. Miller mentioned go to http://parkscrump.com/ or call 850.222.3333. An official letter and statement will be released later from the family but they are extremely overwhelmed with travels, interviews and legal matters. Thank you all for your donations and if you have any further questions, I will try my best to answer them. Also for verification, you will notice all donors of $50 and more will be listed on the site http://justicetm.parkscrump.com/ as stated this is the official site for Justice for Trayvon Martin.”

              So the disclaimer says Parks and Crump are in no way linked to the money yet, Michael Hall says that all of the Fulton/Martins “Efforts” that require these donations are handled by MediumFour which is Parks and Crumps Marketing Agency.

              • ytz4mee says:

                The “Mission” has evolved/changed several times. It was exceedingly strident in the beginning. Wish we had taken screen caps. These people disgust me.

            • froggielegs says:

              Here’s another article about a benefit to raise money for legal defense…

              “Event organizers said they hope that money raised through donations and an auction will help Martin’s family pay for legal fees as they seek a conviction in Martin’s death.”


              • froggielegs says:

                “Proceeds support the Trayvon Martin Legal Defense Fund”


                • ytz4mee says:

                  I think it’s because the Scheme Team are no longer assured of a big settlement payoff since Traveler’s balked. Spending the cash and the jet-setting to gin up “support” was seen as a business investment, but one that is not going to pay off. Their easy targets aren’t willing to just roll over and pay up to make them go away.

                  So now the Scheme Team expect to be paid for their hustle.

                  Also interesting that the Scheme Team has been widely unsuccessful in raising any funds through broad-based support outside of the perpetually racially aggrieved.

              • John VI says:

                Why do they need money to pay for legal fees seeking a conviction in martins death? The state takes care of that… are they running out of bribe and witness tampering money? Is the press demanding a fee for an OpEd now?

                The Hubris of these people truly astonishes me.

                • myopiafree says:

                  Hi John – Early-on I gave them credit for telling SOME TRUTH. It has become clear that they are a group of “fibbers”. Maybe they do not “lie” exactly, but if they can “invent” stories to their own pecuniary benefit – they will. But I like your word, “Hubris”, and I would add the word “Chutzpah”. Why? Because the violent racist was BLACK Trayvon. He was angry, and perhaps saw George as a “white” that he hated. So he went back an violently attacked George. The racist felon was Trayvon Martin, not George. When will the Media ever get that RIGHT?? Con-artist Crump has charged George with the crime that Trayvon committed on George.

              • jello333 says:

                Thanks for all the links, Froggie. But that last one — “pay for legal fees” — well, that’s one thing, and that I can understand. But it’s not the same as “legal defense fund”. I see NO reason to have the word “defense” in there, if it’s not exactly what we think it means.

            • arkansasmimi says:

              Thanksgiving comes in many forms :)

        • yankeeintx says:

          The first link lists ( Proceeds benefit the Legal Defense Fund of Trayvon’s Family)? Sounds like they know that they are going to be sued or charged and will need a defense fund.

        • ytz4mee says:

          Thanks for the link.
          Same BS, different day with these people.

          Putting Violence In Perspective: > A National Health Crisis > A National Education Crisis > Family and Community Crisis> The Juvenile Justice System > Incarceration of our Youth Sessions Include : > Mother to Mother >Calling All Fathers> Youth Speak Out >Action Plan, & Next Steps

          The violence endemic in their community has nothing to do with “bias” but choice. TM was a product of his parent’s choices: abandoned by his parents, encouraged to revel in a culture of violence and easy money, and rejection of authority and academics.

          They can put as much spin as they want on it, but the entire TM case is a study in the dysfunction of the black family.

      • wag o' the western plains says:

        For Traymom to realize any sort of profit margin er…contribution, the menu consists of a dried out weenie from a 7-11 rotisserie, watermelon juice and a skittle for dessert. Spirited after dinner convo and a Swisher in the loge for additional contribution.

      • jordan2222 says:

        The reference to the defense fund is still there. By now, they would have changed it after all of the internet chatter about it if there was no backbone to it so something, indeed, is “afoot.”

    • kathyca says:

      Anybody know if Sybrina has gone back to her gov’t job. Seems like the time off on the backs of the rest of us who pay for all the “donated” vacation time should have been up by now, no?

      • doodahdaze says:

        Where is the scheme team anyway? Maybe they all had to go back to work. Lawyers are costly. Now that Serino has hired Baez I wonder who the next teamer will be to lawyer up? Domino’s start to fall.

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Doo Dah Daze – Where is Scheme Team Crump? He is still typing of his “List” of people who listened to DeeDee – to give to give to Judge Nelson. What you want more ebidence of Crump’s honest efforts to comply with the court order??

      • jello333 says:

        I imagine Sybrina has far fewer friends at the housing authority than she did back in March.

        • dmoseylou says:

          I simply cannot envision myself NOT re-paying co-workers who had donated their time, thus money, to me at such a terrible, terrible time. Some of those same donors must be very upset, seeing SF and Tdad in tailored clothes and expensive shoes, jetting around the country and to London, dining at Tavern on the Green where meals begin at $100 a person. While their kids had no summer vacation, nor parents with them for the days they gave away. Shameful, just Shameful.

          • jello333 says:

            Exactly. These people missed out on time they could have spent with their families, their kids. All so Sybrina and the others could…. just, wow…. it makes me mad just thinking about it. So I can only imagine what those who donated to her think of her right now.

            Sybrina is the new Rosa Parks. Trayvon is the new Emmett Till. HOW THOROUGHLY SICK!

      • dmoseylou says:

        Yes, it ended sometime in early Oct. iirc. Tracy returned to work, but I have not heard that $ybrina had.

        • maggiemoowho says:

          I don’t think she is returning to work, I remember hearing that on the news. I did find one article that refers to a new position. Here is part of that article and I will post the link also.
          The first order of business: a movement to repeal the Stand Your Ground laws that exist around the nation. Fulton released a video on Friday, timed for Mother’s Day, on secondchancecampaign.org urging Americans to appeal to their respective governors to eliminate laws that offer increased immunity in self-defense cases.

          Hall said the details have not yet been finalized, but Fulton would presumably not begin getting a salary or per diem by the foundation until after her paid county leave runs out. He said he doesn’t know if she plans to leave her county job.

          Last month the Miami-Dade County Commission passed a resolution sponsored by Bruno Barreiro, Barbara Jordan and Jose “Pepe” Diaz to allow county employees to donate vacation time to Fulton or Trayvon’s aunt, Yolanda Knight Evans, a water and sewer customer-service representative. The $50,000 cap the commission set on the value of the time donated was reached in two weeks, county spokeswoman Suzy Trutie said.

          A similar measure was passed last year to help the families of two slain police officers.

          Records show 192 county employees gave Fulton some of their hours, and 70 people donated to Knight Evans.

          The donations for Fulton added up to 1,362 hours – a total of 34 paid weeks off. Trayvon’s aunt collected nearly nine weeks.

          County records show Fulton, who earns $68,768 a year, used funeral leave, four weeks of accumulated sick leave and 60 hours of vacation after her son was killed by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. She took two days of furlough in compliance with her county contract.

          Last week’s pay period was the first that tapped into the bank of donated time.

          Fulton is expected to appear before the commission on Tuesday to thank the county for its support.

          Records show the donors included deputy mayor Jack Osterholt, who gave her eight hours, and Stan Hills, the former head of the fire union.

          By far the most generous contributor was county clerk’s office employee Eric Cherelus, who gave Trayvon’s mother and aunt each an entire week of his vacation time.

          Tracy Martin is a truck driver, and it’s unclear whether he has been on paid or unpaid leave. He and Fulton were in London this week speaking at the University of London and were unavailable for comment.

          • maggiemoowho says:

            Sorry, that all ran together. Left out some needed punctuation.

            • arkansasmimi says:

              I respect people for giving time for fellow employees. We can also donate leave, have to keep so much for our own bank tho. I dont know of ANYONE getting 34 weeks for a child or family member death. (yes we have had someone who was killed) I do know several who have or immediate family member has a terrible illness. But even that I dont know of anyone getting 34 weeks! And I worked for the largest hospital in Arkansas!

      • nameofthepen says:

        kathyca says: “Anybody know if Sybrina has gone back to her gov’t job.”

        Hey, Kathy. Good question. I wondered about that, but because I’ve always felt that Sybrina was a “weak link”, as she seemed to have a tendency to blurt out things the others clearly wished she hadn’t. :D

      • Knuckledraggingwino says:

        I hear that TrayMom is now working as a pole dancer. Since the trashcan trail of tears isn’t so lucrative, she is turning that TrayTattoo on her TrayBoob into a money making asset.

    • John Galt says:

      Maybe they got audited?

    • LOL So now Serino has retained the services of Jose Baez?? Why would an LE investigator lawyer up? Lets see that twitter page!

      Yu aint told me yu swung on a bus driver??
      cracka got mad kuz he got dem bangaz put 2 em by a yung ASTRONAUT :3

  2. froggielegs says:

    Article from October 2012

    Part 1 starts on page 5

    Trayvon Martin’s Exile and ICWAD’s Remembrance
    at Zion Baptist Church (Part 1 of 2)


    Part 2 on page 7

    Trayvon Martin, Benjamin Crump, Yvette Mitchell and
    the pursuit of Justice in Black America (Part 2 of 2)


    • ytz4mee says:

      Hilarious. They are comparing the barely literate Crumpster to Thurgood Marshall.
      The fact that large numbers of black teens are out of control and enjoy advertising same on YT and other sites has NOTHING to do with SYG laws. That’s a parenting problem, not a legislative problem.

  3. Knockout King game in England:


    Like Trayvon Martin’s cousin tweeted, “putting the bangaz on da cracka!”

    • myopiafree says:

      This could have been George Zimmerman.

      • myopiafree says:

        Correction: This WAS George Zimmerman and Trayvon. The only change was that George remained alert, and Trayvon jumped on top and started beating Georges’ head into the cement. If Trayvon had walked away after this felony attack, Trayvon would be alive today – to do it to some other “White”. Go figure.

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          Trayvon was also dramatically limiting George’s ability to breathe as he tried to silence george’s pleas for help (YUP, George pleaded for help for nearly a minute BEFORE discharging his weapon). Even though trayvon wasnt entirely succesful to entirely prevent George from screaming for help, his occassional attempts at blockign his vocal alert would have had significant impact on his oxygen flow (and very much endangered George interms of blacking out form lack of oxygen as well as from head trauma).
          (not to detract from your commentary, myopiafree et al)

  4. This one is the Baltimore bus driver “putting the bangaz on da cracka!”

  5. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    The Freddy Leathermann blog has concocted yet another innovative theory to explain why GZ was not justified in shooting TM.

    Freddy argues that as long as GZ kept his neck and back stiff, it wouldn’t have been possible for TM to pound his head against the concrete sidewalk by lifting his body and slamming it down. When you actually crunch the numbers, you find that this mode of attack resulted in TM delivering far less impact energy to the back of GZ’s skull than simply punching him in the face. IMHO, this is the only reason why GZ survived long enough to shoot TM. I’ll also concede that keeping your neck and torso as inflexible as possible would further reduce the severity of injury resulting from the attack. However; GZ was not a trained fighter, he has a rather severe back injury, and TM had already broken his nose. The likelihood of GZ being able to execute this passive defense technique is minimal.

    Since Freddy has banned me from his blog, I will once again issue the invitation to test Freddy’s theory using Freddy’s own skull as a test article. The last time I suggested this on his blog, he banned me for threatening his life. Since Freddy feels threatened by the mere suggestion ofmy doing unto him as TM did unto GZ, perhaps he should concede that GZ was justified in shooting TM?

    • ytz4mee says:

      Fists and Boots ARE weapons.
      Traydemark was not “unarmed”.

    • John Galt says:

      “Since Freddy feels threatened by the mere suggestion of my doing unto him as TM did unto GZ, perhaps he should concede that GZ was justified in shooting TM?”

      Good point.

    • Dexter says:

      On another pro Trayvon message board I pointed out that DeeDee’s account of events was factually impossible, since she claimed Trayvon ran home from the 7-11, just half a mile, actually less, and than spent a couple of minutes under the “mail thing, ” without any claim on her part that anything happened in between. Apparently one must ignore reality in order to get a conviction, since this didn’t go over very big.

    • jello333 says:

      What I found the most stupid about that new theory, is what it assumed was happening. While it’s probably true that if a person tried to keep his neck stiff, it would be harder to lift that person’s head off the ground, why is it assumed that’s what happened? In my opinion, it wasn’t Trayvon lifting George’s head up. It was George himself… as he kept trying to sit up and escape! And each time he did that, Trayvon shoved his head back DOWN. No “lifting” by Trayvon required. So tell me Leather Freddy: Just how much effort would it take for Trayvon to push George’s head DOWN into the ground? Hmm?

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Knuckle – I agree. I would be glad to see this test conducted:
      “Since Freddy has banned me from his blog, I will once again issue the invitation to test Freddy’s theory using Freddy’s own skull as a test article.”
      These people who argue that George should have let TM kill him – will continue to “object” – until some THUG attacks them. Then they will complain that the “Police are at fault” – for not protecting them from THUGS. Go figure.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      The grappling martial arts (judo, jujitsu, aikido, etc) teach how to fall with minimal or no injury (this applies readily to many situations-being thrown on one’s back, being slammed against a wall, or having your head slammed against the ground). in order to minimize injury when your head is being slammed from above or against a wall is to lean the head forward, tucking into your chest. basketball players who fall down for instance very often do this as they fall (they tuck their head far forward almost touching their chin to their chest- others merely let their head fall back and hit the floor with a characteristic bounce off the floor-the ones who exhibit the bounce of the head rarely finish the game-they get MILD concussion which the only thing you can do is avoid or wait afterward….)…MMA guys rarely allow their head to be leaning back where they can be bashed against the ground (it is among the most effective techniques there is-it is very life threatening).
      The rigidity aspect is of import, but so is the distance you have to cover the force applied (falling down is not the same as being thrown down). These are not just skills to be used in self-defense, btw, they are life skills. We all get old and we all get fragile. Falling down and hitting one’s head and having your torso and body thrust against the ground are similar, but different in terms of degree (one is dangerous and the other is VERY dangerous).
      IF George was doing some of the movement I describe, in part, but not in full, he would likely get a reduced force applied to his head, but there would still be great risk and likely at minimum minor concussion.
      Just cuz George surived the attack doesnt mean the attack wasnt severe and dangerous to his life considering his medical condition.
      It is hard for the neck to overcome the full force of both hands applied to the head-the force could have been applied to the torso, but that seems less likely since Trayvon already had his hands over George’s mouth (biting MIGHT have been another useful defense, but he did well to save his life with minimal trauma (Trayvon had plenty of chance to disengage and chose not to, he was in the SUPERIOR position-some really good fighters in MMA can win from the bottom, but it is not an enviable place to be and they don’t teach fighters to go for the bottom, they teach em to avoid the bottom and try to be on top where it is far eaiser to deliver high impact blows and where it is easiest to dominate your opponent (besides being known as the superior position, it is also known as the DOMINANT position)
      Had George stuck around the hospital all night and spent a small fortune to get the doctors attention for five minutes, they would have said, “Yup, minor concussion, be careful for a few days, here is your bill, you could have died you know.”

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        I really hope MOM hires a self defense expert if this farec makes it to trial, Mas Ayoob I would vote for

        • ftsk420 says:

          Anyone with any real knowledge of Martial Arts could be an expert. Any self defense expert will say the same thing George on his back with TM on top was the worst possible position he could be in. Only position worse then that is if TM had George from behind.

      • ftsk420 says:

        Only fighters who don’t mind being on the bottom are submission fighters. George clearly has no wrestling or BJJ skills and to try and punch your way out from the bottom is a losing battle.

    • ftsk420 says:

      Freddy can argue what he wants the point is there is no time to think in a situation like that. George already had his nose broken from a punch he never saw coming by the time TM mounted him the fight was over and George was in a panic.

    • James F says:

      Did you see this delusional fantasy posted by one of the leatherette kooks? :lol:

      “Had a source inform me yesterday that Cheorge calls MOM’s office every hour, and Mom has gotten sick of it. Security is sick of Cheorge too, who thinks he should be catered to like a king. Security generally runs out and buys things for Cheorge with their own money and subsequently gets reimbursed by MOM. Well, Cheorge ran out of toilet paper, and security did not run out to the store with their own money, so Cheorge was without toilet paper for 2 days until MOM decided to fork over money to security to go to the store.”

      I’m surprised those Koch brothers paying for GZ’s defense didn’t give him a lifetime supply of free toilet paper! :lol:

      I received an email urging me to boycott the following products made by some of the billionaire Koch brothers numerous manufacturers: Angel soft toilet paper

      Brawny paper towel

      Dixie plates,bowls napkins cups

      Marci gras napkins and towels

      Quilted northern toilet paper

      Soft and gentile toilet paper

      Sparkle napkins

      Vanity fair napkins

      Zero napkins

      The reason to stop purchasing the above products was also given: see below attachment.

      “In the wake of the killing of Trayvon Martin … The company Koch which manufactures paper products is paying for Zimmerman’s legal fees because they feel he had legal right to bare arms and shoot Trayvon we are asking that people everywhere ban together with us and pass this information on and not purchase any of the following items because your money will be paying for Zimmermans lawyer fees.”

      • rumpole2 says:

        “Had a source inform me yesterday ………”

        These people hear 4 accomplices (and a cockatoo) in the background of the NEN call.
        They are clearly, and seriously, suffering from mental problems. Imagining voices is delusional…. it’s NOT NORMAL.
        Believing that people are talking to you and giving you special information goes beyond their already apparent psychological problems with delusion etc (perhaps indicating they need to ask their nurse to change the dosage on their meds)…. This is now at the level of a serious psychiatric problem.. perhaps schizophrenia

      • Sharon says:

        It’s bad enough that they’re upset that George has the legal right to bare arms. Who knows what they’d do if somebody told them he also has the right to bear arms. Frightening to imagine, that.

        • jello333 says:

          But don’t be surprised if Lester didn’t make wearing long-sleeved shirts a condition of George’s bond.

          • Sharon says:

            Well, he should have if that’s what the fight is over. All this time I thought it had to with the gun going “boom” and stuff. Apparently not?

            Happy Thanksgiving, jello333.

            I suspect I’m about to go into radio blackout here….looking forward to family filling the house tomorrow and am going to do my best to have a major tryptophan experience.

            • jello333 says:

              Yep, been cooking here all day (have to start the day before to be ready for tomorrow!) Happy Thanksgiving, Sharon, if I don’t hear from you again before then.

        • rumpole2 says:

          He has the right to bear arms whether his arms are bare or not!! :D

          Although the Second Amendment is perhaps a little vague when it comes to the right of all Nudists to bear arms (and bare arms).
          I do see some problems vis a vis Nudists and “A concealed Weapon”

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          As long as they dont begin to suggest we arm bears, I will be fine

      • canadacan says:

        Interesting spelling of bear. these folks are bare faced Liars

    • canadacan says:

      All you wanted to do was conduct a scientific experiment., Elementary my dear Watson. I would like to do an experiment And see if Doctor Leatherhead has a brain that is atrophied

  6. caspar says:

    I don’t know if this has been posted already. It will make anyone’s head spin.

    • John Galt says:

      Nice illustration of the absurdity of the Trayvonista contentions. Guess which guy is a former FBI agent, lol.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Hilarious. You notice how the hostess and other guest immediately stated GZ was the “aggressor” …. “the fact is, and we know that Zimmerman started this ”
        “…there is actually audio of this”….

        Also, note the not-too-subtle juxtaposition of the thoroughly discredited photos of a 12 year old St. Skittles and the old mugshot of GZ that puts him in the worst possible light.

        I find it interesting they keep trying to bang that drum, when it has been thoroughly deconstructed. Even the State has admitted they have no “proof” or actual knowledge of “who” started it – it is all supposition, and that the physical evidence supports GZ’s version of events.

        The Scheme Team continues to try and push the narrative that Traydemark is being “re-victimized” by looking at his prior history. The family is upset that the social media record documenting the social sewer that No_Limit_Nigga’s loose pussy loving self gleefully swam in is now part of the public domain, whether or not it makes it into the formal court record. Makes it that much harder to cash in on Traydemark. To paraphrase Trashcan Momma in Deptford, UK, she was happy to discover that Traydemark’s death could be turned into something “profitable”. That piece of memorable videography has been conveniently memory-holed.

        They all had such high hopes. And then GZ went and insisted on actually defending himself and asserting that he did nothing wrong by exerting his right to defend himself in order to save his own life. Bastard.

        • dmoseylou says:

          This little bit of videography has also been conveniently memory-holed.
          From an interview with the World Socialist Web Site

          “Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin: Trayvon was sacrificed to expose injustice”

          • ytz4mee says:

            “a calling from God”.
            “Trayvon will not be forgotten. His legacy will live on”.

            You betcha. It’s part of the lexicon now – whenever someone pens a comment to an online article or blog post about a “darling little Trayvon” the idea is immediately communicated clearly and concisely.

            Trayvon = drug addled, socially degenerate violently aggressive black thug.

            Quite the legacy.

          • I noticed that Tracy Martin bashes the Sanford Police Dept, and night patrol officer Serino.

            No wonder then that all of the officers will testify on behalf of the defendant, George Zimmerman, who acted in self-defense.

            Accordingly, Patrolman Serino appears to be an unfriendly witness to the prosecution.

            • ftsk420 says:

              I’m getting tired of seeing both of their faces. The neck tat doesn’t appear to be there either.

              • dmoseylou says:

                I know exactly how you feel. I very seldom watch/review any previous interviews, pressers, anything with the Scheme Team front and center in the media. I viewed it once, do not need/ want to see or hear from them again. Gets my Irish and B/P up to the red zone. Once is definitely enough for me.

            • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

              so many unusual happenstances in this case:
              a)victims parents need lawyers.
              b)witnesses get their own lawyers (trust me, deedee has her own lawyer/s-likely plural).
              c) cop/s (we will see if this becoems plural soon) cant trsut their own department OR union lawyers, so he hires his own.
              d) The persecutors act like incompentent morons repeatedly releasing confidential info.
              e) The media blindly following a narrative (when they arent making their own false one) and refusing to show the whole picture.
              f) the incompetence of judge lester.
              g) the florida bar asleep at the wheel
              h) the gov and his complicitness in this is dispicable, too, but that is hardly visible to the masses, so he will get away with it i guess .
              i) the constant new developments of false narrative by the media (social media was used EXTENSIVELYY for months by the proxies to the persecution-team scheme-but if GZ legfal uses a FRACTION of the social media to get their story not out in the lame streeam media, but merely for those few who want unfiltered access to the truth-i wouldnt mind the media’s fuiltger if they didnt alter the images completely such that this case is totally unrecognizable (sorry, trayvon wasnt 12, he wasnt 3 feet tall and GZ tutored AA youth and spoke up for sherman ware when no one else would and protected his neighbors and his neighbors when few would).
              I used to live in a commuinity much like sanford (very diverse ethnically). besides attackign GZ, they are attackign sanford itself (a successful integration of diverse ething groups coming together for mutual comfort-this aint 1964 selma and to pretend it is is an insult to all the work done by civil rights leaders-the real ones, not the posers and the hustlers.
              I have a dream that one day whites can be trested by african americans (and the media and university elites and other elites) by the content of our characters, not the color of our skin.

              • floridianne says:

                Sanford has been a hovel all of my life….40 + years. You’d better be prepared for the attack when you went there for a high school football game & won! Puttin’ the Bangaz…..since before 1982.

                • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

                  Yup, before i bought my home in the former industrial city of brockton, MA, I was told “dont move there” over and over again (there were legitimate reasons to avoid the place (and there were good people who lived there, too). After I bought my home, people would ask where I live and I would say and they would say, “Oh” with this sigh that said “I am so sorry”, but i lived across the street from a 24 room mansion, everyone on my street went to work everyday, there was a park down the street from my house (and after the state police arr4ested the police captain, the crime in the town slowly began to recede a bit-yup, that gave me some insight into how sanford operates)

              • jello333 says:

                “this aint 1964 selma and to pretend it is is an insult to all the work done by civil rights leaders-the real ones, not the posers and the hustlers.”


              • myopiafree says:

                Hi Liberal – You got all of this correctly. Thanks!

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          Among the best books i ever read was about the duke lacrosse farce (i forget the title-presumed innocence?)
          George is actually innocent (and that aint no technicality, that is the reality).

    • LittleLaughter says:

      Dont’cha just love how they put the picture up of 12 yr old Trayvon, then the picture of an overweight George? This reporter makes me want to hurl.

    • myopiafree says:

      The first male “speaker” has it RIGHT. Who is he – anyone know?

        • kathyca says:

          Whoa, never would have guessed they are brothers. Their Thanksgiving get-togethers must be quite interesting lol.

          Quote from the Media Mayhem FB

          “Be sure to check out this pilot episode from Media Mayhem, CRIME TIME WITH THE CLEMENTE BROTHERS. CRIME TIME featuring former FBI agents, Tim and Jim Clemente, and Allison Hope Weiner as the moderator. The show will contain analysis and debate focused on criminal cases and law enforcement issues in the news. Tim Clemente is a former policeman and retired FBI Agent with experience around the world fighting violent crime and terrorism. Jim Clemente is a
          former New York City prosecutor and retired FBI Agent who spent more than a decade as an elite FBI profiler specializing in crimes against children. And the two brothers rarely agree on anything–especially politics. Check out one of our first episode in which the brothers give their thoughts on the resignation of General Petreaus and argue about whether the defense in the Trayvon Martin case should be allowed to examine Martin’s personal information to prove Martin has a predisposition towards violence.”

          • John Galt says:

            “Jim Clemente is a former New York City prosecutor and retired FBI Agent who spent more than a decade as an elite FBI profiler specializing in crimes against children.”

            Surprising. He seems incapable of logical thought. Perhaps somebody had to play the fool and he got the short straw.

            • kathyca says:

              Idk, seemed like the genuine article to me :)

            • thefirstab says:

              “Perhaps somebody had to play the fool and he got the short straw”
              HAHA- Academy Award nominee, I would say.
              And the commentator, Alllison Hope Weiner – any relation to Jeff of O/S fame? She seems to have the same bias.

  7. ftsk420 says:

    I wonder how long TM was selling weed an how much he was selling. I wonder if he had anyone working under him or even with him.

    • John Galt says:

      It will be interesting to see if Serino / Lee et al testify that the capias request was signed without a legitimate basis and belief that probable cause existed that GZ committed a crime in order to bump the case up to the SA’s office and appease black police officers, politicians and the AA community.

      • jello333 says:

        Oh, I expect the “coercion” from those other cops — and the people who encouraged that coercion — is gonna be VERY big before this is over. George ain’t going down…. but other people very well may be.

      • kathyca says:

        I can’t see how Serino can avoid it since he’s said as much publicly and relatively contemporaneously, no? Hire Baez and take the 5th?

        • myopiafree says:

          If Serino takes the 5th, the court will have to give him “immunity” to get him to testify. Is that the reason Serino got a lawyer?

          • John Galt says:

            “If Serino takes the 5th, the court will have to give him “immunity” to get him to testify.”

            I think the State has the option to immunize. If Serino testimony hurts the prosecution, they might not offer immunity, preferring Serino to keep quiet. Dunno if the defense can force the State to offer immunity.

            “Is that the reason Serino got a lawyer?”

            Not only a lawyer, but a lawyer independent of the State. Immunity issues are certainly complex enough to warrant getting a good lawyer.

            • arkansasmimi says:

              Aww and remember Baez wrote the judge a letter correcting a false remark BDLR made. So that to me is even funnier that Baez is Serino attny. Should make for a very interesting show…

    • jordan2222 says:

      DMan: Forgive me for getting personal but I have always been wowed out over your research and investigative skills and the way you put all of that together in such an “organized and easy-to-AND understand” manner, including supporting links.

      Do you use these skills in your job and how much time do you spend on this case every week?

      • diwataman says:

        Thank you. I’ve looked at this case every day since March probably March 15th or so. It’s sporadic hourly everyday so over a weeks time it’s difficult to say how many hours. I don’t even think I can even begin to calculate how many hours I’ve put into this. My real life has nothing to do with my online presence. I really have no idea how the skills you see in my presentation could be used in real life much-less get paid for it. Would be nice though.

  8. pbunyan says:

    This just occurred to me, but did anyone else notice the parallels between the leftist’s view of George Zimmerman and their view of Israel? (i.e. they think the victims are the perpetrators.)

    I guess it’s true that leftists do not only get most things wrong, what they believe tends to be the exact, polar opposite of the truth.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Down is now labeled “Up” and up is labeled “Down”.
      It took a long time for these commie jerks to get these labels in place, so be warned if you try to point out that down is labeled “Up”, they are likely to attack you or say the nastiest things they can about you (they hate anyone who doesnt think “Up” is directed towards the center of the Earth).

  9. nameofthepen says:

    Has anyone seen eastern2western around lately? I haven’t, and I kinda miss him. Even his YouTube channel seems a bit forlorn…

    E2W…if you’re listening, drop by and give a shout-out. :)

  10. diwataman says:


  11. Sha says:

    This is off subject….. but I don’t think I’ll get a chance to peek in tomorrow and I wonted to say Happy Thanksgiving to GZ and his family and to all of you guy’s and gal’s have a wonderful day ! :D

  12. dmoseylou says:

    Thank you, Sha! And right back at ya, sweetie. Hope you and your family have a blessed, happy, wonderful T-giving.

  13. jordan2222 says:

    Just want to make sure everyone here purchased several prints of these paintings because they will make great Christmas presents.


    Man, those are 2 damn powerful images and I am sorry that the artist is a bit misguided.

    Wonder if he will paint George when he is free of HIS current personal torment.

  14. justfactsplz says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all the Treepers and George and Shellie. Have a blessed and safe day.

    • dmoseylou says:

      I wish you and your loved ones the same. Good to hear from you. Be strong and of good courage; the Lord is most assuredly bringing forth His glorious light of truth and justice. We remain in prayer for all of you. When you are filled with hurt, sadness, despair, fear….make a joyful noise unto the Lord. SING! Out Loud and on Purpose. SING! Jesus Loves Me, sing it more than once. It is amazing how a simple child’s song
      brings a smile to our faces and lifts our spirits. When my Dad was dying, a dear friend at church gave me that advice; he was 100% right. Many, many times when I just wanted to curl up and cry, I forced myself to SING! That is just about the best advice I believe I have ever received. God Blesses You, All of You.

  15. LittleLaughter says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all of my new friends in the Treehouse, as well as to my “old” friends from the previous site we use to converse at! :-D GOD BLESS!

    • dmoseylou says:

      Happy Turkey Day to you and yours, also! I sure have been missing the “old” Roadster. Hope all is OK with that HotRodder. :D :D OMGosh, Christmas songs on the radio right now. I love it!

      • selfdefenseadvocate says:

        Glad to see my old friends, along with new ones. I too, have been missing the “hot rod”. Hope every one is doing well. (I too, am thankful for elastic waist bands!) :lol:

  16. arkansasmimi says:

    Sending my heartfelt prayers that you each have an AWESOME THANKSGIVING!!! May your heart and soul be feeled as much as your tummy!!! Make special memories :) Keep the Faith George and Shellie!

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