As we begin to piece the new information, new reporting and discovered research in Benghazi against the backdrop of the “Official State Department Reports”, it is prudent to go back and rewatch the actual journalistic discoveries on scene right after the attack.
Blood in the bathroom of the “Safe Area”. Unknown origin.
Looking toward the main entrance gate from main building. The “Barracks” are visible as the building on the left side of the gate. This was where the 17th February Brigade was housed.
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Sundancecracker, read my post on your thread: Death and Deciet in Benghazi.
You are being called to expose the whole sorted affair. You can do it. No one is better at research and putting together the time lines, starting with the UK Indenpendent article, better than you. We will help. But you have to expose the horrors that is the Obama administration. Americans need to know what we are facing, and it ain’t pretty.
We will help. We will research the foreign press, especially the press in the UK, which has been on top of this from the beginning. Just ask. You know the help is there. You know we Treepers will aid you anyway we can. You know, and I know, that your headline should be “Fast and Furious, Libyan Style.”
I have been in awe of your ability to expose the little details that tell the truth. You know what you have to do now.
God help our nation. And God bless you for all you do.
But unlike Fast and Furious the UN weapons to the “Rebels” was well known. Many articles were written about us giving them material support, weapons, training, etc etc.
While today we might be dealing with the outcome of “unintended consequences” it most certainly was not a secret….. Neither was al-Qaeda in Afghanistan leaving the battlefield and getting in trucks headed to Libya…. It has long been known that Islamists HATED Gaddafi for kicking them out of his country and shutting down their training facilities.
Somewhere in all this smoke Samantha Power has answers….. Where is she?
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/04/10/power-clinton-rice-and-obamas-libyan-folly/
This was all her friggin giddy up from the beginning…. Where is she NOW?
So Powers voiced “kinetic military action” instead of saying we were at war with Libya during Gaddafi ouster. More obamatalk i looked up the meaning:
“Term has been around for decades. It is not something new from the President.
Essentially, it means using weapons to reach the objective.
A Non-kinetic military action would be using medical personnel to treat villagers, or a civil actions team doing whatever the hell they do, etc.
Lets say you want to silence an enemy radar station. Kinetic military action would be to bomb the hell out of it. Non-kinetic would be to simply jam it.”
Where is Powers but also where is Lieberman? He used to be very vocal and now that he is resigning from senate you would think be stirring up a hornets nest especially anything that concerns Israel.
I bet Chicago has dirt or threatened both of them.
Where is Samantha Power?
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2268/Where-Is-Samantha-Power.aspx
Thanks for identifying the buildings. What was so damning on the image Charlene Lamb had posted at the hearing?
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Another female reporter attacked.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/20/france-24-tv-says-its-cairo-correspondent-was-avagely-attacked-near-restive/
France 24 TV says its Cairo correspondent was ‘savagely attacked’ near restive Tahrir Square
Published October 20, 2012
Associated Press
PARIS (AP) — A correspondent for France 24 TV was “savagely attacked” near Cairo’s Tahrir Square after being seized by a crowd, the network said Saturday. It was the latest case of violence against women at the epicenter of Egypt’s restive protests.
The news channel said in a statement that Sonia Dridi was attacked around 10:30 p.m. Friday after a live broadcast on a protest at the square and was later rescued by a colleague and other witnesses. France 24 did not give further details about the attack, but it said its employees were safe and sound, though “extremely shocked,” and that it will file suit against unspecified assailants.
sibiljx1, that’s what is needleing me. I’m perplexed. If those two buildings comprised a risk, according to intelligence, then why would State be so forthcoming. Obviously the Fox report is even more forthcoming because they not only describe the entire compound, but they show the location and construct of the secondary “CIA Annex” 2 kilometers away.
This question is sticking me in the mud. It’s keeping me from understanding how this all fits together. What exactly is the purpose of the second two buildings that would cause concern (that must no longer be an issue – because Fox was all over it) for intelligence?
Something about the “actual purpose” of those two buildings is key to this I think. A “cantina”? Really…. kinda big considering they were only feeding what 10 to 15 people tops every day? It’s almost as big as the main residence. Something ain’t passing the sniffy test….. But I can’t put my finger on it.
Here’s another image with an additional area outlined.
http://cmsimg.gdn.mydesert.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=J1&Date=20121011&Category=NEWS11&ArtNo=310110034&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Officials-Consulate-security-adequate
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121011125434-hayden-benghazi-story-top.jpg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121010072430-radio-news-day-libyahearing-story-top.jpg
Over lambs left shoulder is another yellowed outline is that the Annex? Until last night seeing the escape route had no idea another US building was so close but seemed so far. Chavez seemed to object to map because maybe more US classified holdings even beside the canteen & annex were shown? I read that the British left its vehicles & weapons in care of US consulate. The story & picture below of british weaponry holding looks like the interior of “cinder block” building aka the canteen?
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2012/10/benghazi-consulate-failed-to-safeguard-british-weapons-vehicles/
Here is background article to British Consulate decision to leave Benghazi , note last line:
“The annex was believed to house the local offices of the CIA.”
http://www.adn.com/2012/10/12/2658824/british-say-weapons-they-left.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm
At this point, the quick reaction security team and the Libyans, especially the Libyan forces, are saying, “We cannot stay here. It’s time to leave. We’ve got to leave. We can’t hold the perimeter.” So at that point, they make the decision to evacuate the compound and to head for the annex. The annex is about two kilometers away. My agents pile into an armored vehicle with the body of Sean, and they exit the main gate.
(More at link)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/11/us-usa-libya-annex-idUSBRE89A02D20121011
New details emerge of second U.S. facility in violent Benghazi
In this Conference call recap to the reporters the State Dept identified the main residence where Stevens & Smith were taking refuge was Building “C”, in the above photo it is entitled as Building “A”
Why did the State conference call refer residence as Building “C” ….was it because the Annex, not yet mentioned publicly by State Dept was considered internally as Building A?
Ok, the CIA Annex 2 klicks away? Got any problems with that? Like the fact that it was also under attack almost simiultaneously with the Embassy consulate? What are the chances that the CIA didn’t know their building was being attacked when Charlene Lamb was watching the attack on the consulate in “near” real time? Are we to think that the CIA has become so incompetent under Petreaus that they didn’t know?
So the consulate is under attack as Lamb watches, the CIA Annex is under attack at the same time, and still, the administration decided to try to brush these events off as originally starting out as a protest against a video? Even Elmo could have figured out this was a coordinated attack on ALL American interests in Benghazi.
One other thing, and this is a problem I had with Greg Palcott’s report: he said that Stevens body was put in a car, driven through morter fire to another building, and wound up in the hospital, where he died, at 1:00 a.m. Benghazi time. But we see the films of the rebels dragging Stevens out of the building through a window, and Palcott claims they were shouting “Allah Akbar” because Stevens was what? Still alive? Was Stevens dragged from the second building? How do we know that Stevens was taken to the hospital at 1:00 a.m? Where is the autopsy report on Stevens?
Meanwhile, as we learn the answers to some of the questions, it only creates more questions.
SD, I agree about the “Cantina”. My first thought was that it was an armory of some sort.
To store weapons for our guys, or to store recovered weapons that our side had supplies to “rebels”…I’m not sure. That is just what came to mind, FWIW.
Oh I agree. I mean seriously a big main house must have had a kitchen and dining… but ok, for official use… got that. The barracks ain’t no small place, neither all things considered. But a Cantina? When was the last time you bivwacked with a “cantina”.
It is interesting that if you go to Google Earth (32 3’25.81″ N, 20 05’15.92E) you’ll see the annex complex. Notice the large warehouses (seemingly abandoned) right behind the complex. Now, if you use history, you’ll notice that the “Cantina” building was there as far back as 2005, but the main consulate building looks like it is under construction in (June) 2009. Now, if you compare the consulate compound to the annex, you’ll see that two of the buildings were already there and also looked to be under construction in June of 2009 (with the addition of 2 more buildings). Also interesting to note: even though it looks like the main consulate building and the annex were being constructed at the same time (in 2009), the TOC building doesn’t show up until March of 2011.
If I were in charge of hinding weapons, I think it would be logical to build secure storage in an already existing warehouse. (Did you notice that there is a drive leading from the annex directly to the warehouses?). Yeah, I think I’d be upset at Lamb for putting that up on the map for the world to see.
can you capture this with screen shots and your narrative and put it in an email to the Treehouse?. I really sounds interesting. Thanks.
You’ve got mail.
Another face palm inducing obama supporter on lamestream media;
Hi guys–I have not posted in awhile, just lurked, busy with the campaign. Just wanted to make sure you all see this BS from WaPo doing more CYA for Ododo
CIA documents supported Susan Rice’s description of Benghazi attacks
By David Ignatius, Published: October 19
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html
Great work, as usual, by the Treepers
Set-up talking points for Sunday talk shows.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/thinktanked/wp/2012/10/20/sunday-talk-shows-102112-presidential-debate-foreign-policy-marco-rubio-meet-the-press-face-the-nation-and-more/
This one could be fun:
•CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley: Newt Gingrich;…
Obama,State, & CIA all in CYA mode….I think the signal to attack was the Turkish Diplomat departure….& the only ones that would know his departure would be the guards (remember smith saying they were taking photos?) who ended up disappearing.
Question what was meeting with Turkish diplomat about? This is like repeat of F&F but in the middle east with Stevens in charge ….were Stevens, Smith, Doherty & Woods killed with our own weapons of which now the stash of weapons & cash/safe involved for purchase are all gone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10
Oh, and check this out:
Report: Unmanned Drone Observed Benghazi Terror Attack, Did Nothing: “They stood and they watched and our people died”
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/report-unmanned-drone-observed-benghazi-terror-attack-did-nothing/
It’s 793 miles from Rome to Benghazi. So Italy is literally right next door, in terms of flight time, not even bringing up what resources might have been available in the Mediterranean. They did not save these Americans because they did not want to. They didn’t even make a phony effort, so it might look like they wanted to. Bumps In The Road indeed.
I’m guessing they did nothing to help save Ambassador Stevens because they felt they could no longer count on his silence and he knew too much.
(Days ago I posted that Ambassador Stevens hands were probably not “clean”. In no way did I mean to convey that he deserved anything that happened to him. The only people that would deserve such a fate are those that would do such things to others.)
Occam’s Razor: They did nothing to help Stevens because he was gone. The bad guys nabbed him as planned and took him out of the compound. That’s why 5 guys could walk around amid the now removed 200 bad guys….
I wonder if that “uncut” video would show Stevens being removed from the compound?
I mean before the “attack”. POTUS and his ilk knew something was afoot. Yes, I think they are THAT evil in that they would allow something like this to happen.
SDC, what are you calling “uncut video” I captured a lot of video in the beginning. Give be some specifics, I’ll see what I’ve got. (took two days off, you guys have been busy!)
Last one, I promise. Just catching up on my reading;
Incommunicado
House Armed Services chairman blocked from getting answers from senior military about threat warnings prior to Benghazi consulate attack
http://freebeacon.com/incommunicado/
I am attempting to refer back to the original photos of Amb. Stevens being drug through the streets, but am not ocming up with anything. My bookmark shows now that it has been scrubbed. Did anyone download this one? – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njp5i6mD388&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26frm%3D1%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D7%26ved%3D0CFEQFjAG%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DNjp5i6mD388%26ei%3D5vmCUJXMCYXY9QSv1oGgDQ%26usg%3DAFQjCNHE9z1i7-U99RDX8IhfcL9sWk2xNg%26sig2%3DsDwwaJj6_enwC-2E9hMmwg&has_verified=1
I would appreciate any other link that could take me to the original photos.
Heres photo I found that invludes known images:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eiGwyGneaKU/UFUUPcHKpEI/AAAAAAAAAiM/TC_8OWgP5Hk/s0/chris%2520stevens%2520quartered.jpg
Some have suggested that due to the image of Stevens on someones shoulders with his arm up that he might still be alive, I believe it could be due to rigor mortis (stiffness within 3-8 hrs of death) as that is the same arm up when he was pulled thru the window with his eyes open (1st part of body to undergo rigor).
Reporting…We have a video of the ambassador being pulled from the window, supposedly alive, albeit just barely due to smoke inhalation…again supposedly. We have pictures of him being dragged through the streets in which it appears he has been beaten, yet relatively clean. We have statements saying they (our officials) could not account for his whereabouts for approximately 8 hours. The account of the attack is said to have lasted about 6 hours. We have the video of the doctor at the hospital where Steven’s “lifeless” body was brought; in which he states Ambassador Steven’s was covered in a lot of soot and that he tried to resuscitate him for 45 minutes, but it was too late.
We have statements saying that several attempts were made to locate Stevens’s body before they left with Sean Smith’s body. I believe the reason they couldn’t find him was that he was already gone; he was found alive and taken by the terrorists somewhere and tortured for hours because he was involved in secret ops and that is why the State Department went out of their way to downplay security measures and try to create a picture of “normalcy” (their words) in an effort to not attract too much attention to the compound. I do not believe the doctor. I do not believe the kid interpreting the video. I distinctly remember when the pictures of Steven’s body being dragged through the street first aired, a reporter who had either been there or else had inside sources, started to comment about the injuries he sustained and then something to the affect that parts of his body were found located in various locations. This aired in the middle of the night, when the buzz was all about the earlier statements from the Whtehouse and Romney’s and everybody was busy retracting their earlier statements and trashing Romney for making a statement. The Whitehouse had not formulated their strategy yet and I never heard that reported about Ambassador Steven’s again.
I believe this is why some of the families want this out of the public light, why the lies about security, why they hope they could sell the video story and why the big cover up.
If it was a botched kidnapping attempt, why would they need to lie? We do not negotiate with terrorists and if the bad guys screwed up causing the death of 4 Americans, they could put a very good spin on that. But, secret ops…that’s another story. Just MHO.
DID ANYONE SEE WHAT WAS IN THOSE COFFINS? NOPE?
More information continues to come out since I originally posted this about our CIA presence in Libya and Benghazi, as well as the proliferation of U.S. weapons being funneled to Syrian rebels. All this is somehow connected to what happened on 9/11? Thought this was worth reporting.
This addresses our CIA presence in Libya
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334779
This addresses the U.S. arms being sent to Syrian rebels
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?smid=pl-share
“We do not negotiate with terrorists…”
“We” do not. America’s current administration does
The more I learn about this, the madder I get. Complete incompetence we have running our country into the ground.
“Complete incompetence we have running our country into the ground.”
Running our country into the ground IS their goal! So … are they incompetent?
haa ha haa Suppose not as their doing such a great job… Good point.
Where are the consulate “survivors”? Seriously. When was the last time anything like a terrorist attack took place and the media made no effort to talk to the survivors.
Occam’s Razor.
Is Obama holding a special meeting at the White House for Hollywood so they can make a movie of the attack?
UPDATE 2-Father of bodyguard injured in Libya questions State Dept. response
October 03, 2012
Reuters
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-03/news/sns-rt-usa-libyaguard-update-2l1e8l3fca-20121003_1_libya-christopher-stevens-benghazi-glen-doherty
Oct 3 (Reuters) – The father of an American bodyguard
injured in the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi,
Libya, said on Wednesday the U.S. State Department should own up
to what he said were its mistakes and release more information
about what occurred.
David Ubben, a 31-year-old State Department employee,
suffered broken bones and other injuries in the Sept. 11 attack
that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other
Americans.
As David Ubben recuperates at the Walter Reed National
Military Medical Center outside Washington, his father, Rex
Ubben, said he did not blame the State Department or Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton for his son’s injuries. But “I do find
it troubling that they have not owned up to their shortcomings;
in government, in the military, and in business, if something
goes wrong, you admit it, correct it, and move on,” Rex Ubben
said.
“If you were in charge, it was your fault,” he said in an
email exchange with Reuters….
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/10/20/death-and-deceit-in-benghazi-the-bret-baier-special-video/
[greg palcott sp??? reporting from benghazi]
@15:00 in the video palcott reports that the security special agent that leads Stevens and Smith to the safe room is “reportedly David Ubben”
Holy Shit! I had not even thought of that.
We have dead Americans and the best Obama can do is talk about it on Comedy Central. If Obama were reelected, I think there is a good chance he would be impeached leaving, the man who laughs at anything to run the country. Sorry, not worth the risk!
“Did Reuters File Misleading Benghazi Report/ Claim of protest against Muhammad film conflicts with new info” by Aaron Klein – October 19, 2012
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/10/19/did-reuters-file-misleading-benghazi-report-claim-of-protest-against-muhammad-film-conflicts-with-new-info/
Aaron Klein – Sunday 7PM – 9PM EST – Listen on line
http://www.wabcradio.com/showdj.asp?DJID=54157
or catch the podcast
http://www.wabcradio.com/sectional.asp?id=36805
“There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there is never more than one.” ― C.S. Lewis
Judge Jeanne has a former seal & best friend of Doherty on now
Brandon Webb. Yeah, I just watched that. When asked why the WH and National Security were “implying” Doherty was part of the Ambassador’s security detail, Webb put it off to the general phrase “politics”.
I wish he would just speak plainly. The White House and NSI wanted it to appear Stevens had more protection because it makes them look better, and makes the lack of security seem less horrible.
Alas, the truth is they left him out there with his ass flying in the breeze just waiting to get shot. That’s the brutal honest truth of it. They (all the bastids) screwed up, and got them folks killed. Period.
A few Patriots are starting to speak out. But what is this about Gen. Petreus? I thought he was one of the good guy’s.
Did they screw up or was it part of the plan? I think they did not care if Ambassador Stevens was killed or perhaps they even WANTED him killed. Again, YES THEY ARE THAT EVIL.
Whoa Judge Jeanine just showed film of the interior of consulate including the bloody toilets
She’s interviewing members of the house committee
Show repeats at midnight
Woaaah…. did you hear that CIA panel. The “video” is damning !
That one guy had seen the attack video…. WTF.
Why not have helped them? Sheeeesh…. more questions
They said the WH situation room had it in real time. Obama went to bed and headed to Vegas. Also mention the Obama October surprises. Iran, and Obombing in Lybia. Wonder how many dopes will fall for it?
Pardon my bluntness, but my dad was a WWII veteran and my brother a Marine who served 2 tours of duty in Vietnam and as they would have put, what you have with this situation in Libya is a major cluster***k!
We not only have an empty chair in the White House, we also have an empty chair in the SecState’s office. There are so many unanswered questions in the Libyan fiasco that it’s next to impossible not to go tinfoil hat. If Charlene Lamb (is she the designated sacrificial lamb?) was monitoring the events real time from Foggy Bottom, you can be sure that Panetta and Petraeus or their top aides were monitoring things from their own high tech command centers. Those centers are all tied together with communications. Yet, they just observed while terrorists attacked a US diplomatic consulate and did nothing? Everything is wrong about that picture. The more information I have on it, the less I know. Obviously a few puzzle pieces are still missing. Keep up the good work, Treehouse. I read often but this is my second post.
Whose freaking blood is on that freaking toilet? Does smoke inhalation make you bleed?
My guess is that’s Sean Smith’s blood. Used as leverage against Stevens.
Were those toilet photos from the regular residence or the sealed off safe room?
Whose blood is on the wall outside??? That person was still alive. Both those blood samples could have been taken days after and identified.
The video must show everything and will probably not be released ever in its entirety.
DOD has a DNA database for all of our soldiers. When the FBI finally showed up, they could have (may have) taken samples…if not it can still be done. Sean Smith is former AF and his DNA will be in the database. CNN was in the building 3 days afterwards, if they happened to take a sample, it can still be tested if his outspoken/outraged mother was willing to give a sample for mtDNA matching.
Where are the autopsy reports, Where are the live videos? …Oops ongoing investigation til after election. Obama is now in the famous “Prevent Defense.”
I’ve heard that Oswalds 1963 tax return in exempt from FOIA requests due to “national security”, I think that is a good indication that we will never see the autopsy reports. I’d like to see any documents that the family had to sign in order to recieve the bodies of their loved ones.
Has anyone heard of a military funeral or any funeral for Ambassador Stevens?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219269/Christopher-Stevens-Memorial-service-honors-ambassador-killed-U-S-consulate-attack.html