Below is an e-mail from Sondra Osterman regarding the position of her and Mark Osterman about their book on George Zimmerman:
But apparently the Osterman Family Does (e-mail below)
Hello.
I was just made aware of your post and I wanted to take a moment to add a little truth to your story. I’m not sure who your “source” is; however, the book has only been given for review by myself, my husband and Mark O’Mara in a confidential setting and someone other than these 3 people releasing anything would mean they’ve obtained it illegally and civil ramifications will be assessed. The book IS copyrighted and ANY release of any portion would be a copyright violation and civil action would be taken. That being said I can assure you that we DID give the copyrighted manuscript (unedited and only partially completed) to Mark O’Mara so that he could review it and let us know if we need to make any changes to the content because the intent of the book is to HELP George not hurt him.
Mr. O’Mara had the manuscript for several weeks and we begged him to let us know if we needed to change anything for any reason and he DID NOT make any changes at that time nor did he give us any indication of not wanting the book to proceed with publication.
Regards,
Sondra Osterman
(end e-mail)
Now I could go on to deconstruct this e-mail, and reflect how manipulative and dangerous the assertions are that are contained within it. Alas, I will digress except to say:
#1. You send me something, the world will read it.
#2. …… If ”George’s best interests” are really what the Osterman’s desire, then perhaps they should call Mark O’Mara asap and determine if he will openly support their rogue gamble with Zimmerman’s life?
Perhaps Mark Osterman and Mark O’Mara should sit down together, and indeed if what Sondra Osterman claims in this email is true, then certainly Mr. O’Mara would have no problem providing them with a letter of support to deflect the pending media firestorm against them.
#3. As Sondra Osterman states in her e-mail:
…That being said I can assure you that we DID give the copyrighted manuscript (unedited and only partially completed) to Mark O’Mara so that he could review it and let us know if we need to make any changes…
Why give him the unedited (by editor from publisher) version? Why give him a part? If concern is the issue, the real issue why not give Mark O’Mara the full completed final draft version for opinion. Why only “part”?
Lastly, what would have been the response from Mark and Sondra if Mark O’Mara has simply stated don’t do it.? Do not write a book. Sondra writes:
Mr. O’Mara had the manuscript for several weeks and we begged him to let us know if we needed to change anything for any reason and he DID NOT make any changes at that time nor did he give us any indication of not wanting the book to proceed with publication.
So did he give you any indication he DID want the book to proceed?
There is a big difference between not being told to do something, and being told to go ahead and do something. Just because someone does not tell you NOT to be selfish, does not, by itself, affirm approval for you to be selfish.
Like Omara has time to sit and read this, geezus ur kidding right, doesnt he have enough on his plate right now? If they feel they need or want Omaras ok to go ahead with the book, then that means they are not 100% sure they should be doing it……D’uhhhhhh
I believe its possible that O’Mara could not ethically edit or comment on the book. If he had it certainly would be reported as “O’Mara writes book about his defendant – killer of little boy”.
I’m willing to bet that if this should go to trial this book will be long forgotten by that time. There is such an abundance of evidence that supports George’s story that this book will not matter in the court case. As for the court of public opinion – we shall see.
I agree…it’s not logical for O’Mara to have any involvement. Nonetheless, I hope the book is truthful.
When have you ever heard of a defense attorney participating in any kind of book deal in any way while representing a client BEFORE having a trial? I am not saying it has not happened but I know of no such incident.
At the very least, I would think that doing this would be unethical because the risks are that the contents could be used against George while there are no possible benefits to George. Who on earth that believes George is guilty is going to change their minds?
If the Ware case meant nothing to those folks, please tell me ONE thing that could be revealed that would help George. Just ONE thing, please.
If there are fence-sitters, or people who know very little about this case out there, then a little good PR for George might be helpful. But the people who already hate George?… as you say, NOTHING is gonna change their minds. It’s revealed that he tried to help the homeless guy, at some risk to himself (from cops); and that he mentored the kids. Those revelations had NO positive impact on the GZ-haters.
James 4:17 (NIV)
Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
The line that struck me is “we begged him to let us know….” If a person is processing a major publication in a businesslike way, “begging” usually is not part of communication. Exchanging information, clarifying potential issues and getting questions answered–yes. Begging–no. That, combined with the apparent assumption that silence equals approval, is really reaching.
It sounds to me like they got themselves committed to doing something before they had their ducks lined up, and were frantically trying to make it all ok at a point when the process couldn’t or wouldn’t be altered, for whatever reason.
If this is true, WHO is the source? Is she talking about Odessa Girl aka our source here aka justfactsplz? If so, that baffles me. So again exactly what is their relationship?
“the book has only been given for review by myself, my husband and Mark O’Mara in a confidential setting and someone other than these 3 people releasing anything would mean they’ve obtained it illegally and civil ramifications will be assessed.”
I have not seen or read the book. The poster of the new noon posts has somehow seen at least parts of it and i think that is what she is referring too. Everyone seems to be so willing to believe this person. Omar and George did know about the book. Ducks were lined up. There were two different dead lines for the book and two opportunities given for Omara and George to speak up if they felt there was something in the book that shouldn’t be. Nothing was said until after the last deadline, then all of a sudden they weren’t sure (OMara and George). They knew about the book for months. There were even emails back and forth about it. The person who is doing this new daily noon posts has even posted on this site before but I will not reveal their identity as to keep them safe.
They were responding to an unedited, and unfinished product. Were O’Mara and George ever given the final copy? If you were given an unfinished manuscript, why would you comment on it when you didn’t know what the final published piece would be. You are not even making sense now justthefacts. I’m getting more and more turned off with each of your posts. You are clearly working for the Osterman pitch, and I would ask that you come clean with who you are, and what your position is in this whole debacle.
“There were two different dead lines for the book and two opportunities given for Omara and George to speak up if they felt there was something in the book that shouldn’t be. ”
Okay minpin, this is a huge red flag, what she says above. Did you catch that? Speak up or your silence will be considered a yes.
According to justfactsplz’s words, the Ostermans are clearly rogues! They did all of this on their own volition. Thoughtless, inconsiderate, bullying, but most of all ROGUE!
George, and family please distance yourself from these people, if what is said in quotes is true, that in your most troubled hours, this is how these people have treated you!
Also, minpin, she revealed all to the Treehouse in the first Osterman thread, most entries were deleted. Among the many comments by Odessa Girl her handle on ClickOrlando, there was one where she said that soon as this thing with her daughter and George was over, she could move on with her life, but when people asked, she said she was not Shellie’s mother. Here most believe that she is some role with defense, but SD and others have vetted her. She has some inside with Osterman’s and used to have frequent contact with the Zimmermans until a few weeks ago. She is older, in her 60′s, has three daughters who were molested, her husband is disabled, they live in Deland, near Lake County, etc. There’s about 4000 something comments by her, unless she’s scrubbed them, as I suggested she do a couple of weeks ago.
One thing was troubling is that she hinted that she was also a personal witness for GZ case. If that is true, based on her naive coming out here after her comments on ClickOrlando, this could be a very bad thing for George to have her for a reference. (Read all my comments on this thread, and you will understand my concern)
After some research of my own gbishop1, I believe that Odessa Girl quite possibly is Mark Osterman’s stepmother in DeLand Fla. Her claim to be Shellie’s mother I’m sure all know by now was false so red flags here we go. As for justfactsplz I am having serious concerns over some of their statements here that seem to give the impression that George and Shellie remained friends with them and continued to communicate with them up until recently. I happen to believe that George and Shellie were very much angry with them and no more wanted to communicate with them and that was an event that happened quite some months ago. Mark and Sondra Osterman had to have known how upset George and Shellie were when Joe Oliver went public against their wishes very early on, so why would they think they would be any different which according to justfactsplz seems to be his/her spin so red flags here we go again.
That’s some good research Bob Crawford. Thank you. Definitely a relative of the Ostermans. If you haven’t read her comments, here is the link:
http://disqus.com/OdessaGirl/
After clicking on link, click on ACTIVITY and then a refresh arrow keeps loading more comments at the bottom of each page.
I never said I was Shellie’s mother. I was accused of it and denied it along with being Shellie, or George’s mother. If there was a fall out with the Zimmermans and Ostermans I was never made aware of it, it is news to me. Also, thanks to the kindess of Sundance, things that told of my identity were edited out due to safety concerns. You guys discussing that is not very nice. I know the name and relationship of the person posting about the book on this site. Due to safety concerns for them I would not reveal it. I feel they may have an agenda as to why they are doing it but I am keeping that to myself. I would never intentionally hurt George, Shellie, or any of their family. The good Lord knows they have been through so much agony. I am being honest when I say I have not read the book and did not know the case would be discussed in the book.
I don’t recall you ever saying you were related to George or Shellie. I do remember other personal things you mentioned, which, as you say, were later edited out…. and I don’t see why we need to bring them up again. As for Mark and his motivations for releasing the book now, I still don’t know what to think. I think his motivation for WRITING it was mostly good… to try to show George in a different light. But I still don’t think it should have been released YET.
But the main thing I wanted to say is this: I think what Mark and his wife did on 26 Feb and for the weeks following IS evidence that he was a good, caring friend of George. Mark was placing himself in danger by taking in George, after all. As for why he didn’t advise George to stay silent and get a lawyer those first couple days, I can’t say. But my suspicion is that he felt the way most of the cops did…. that this was a clear-cut case of self-defense. Maybe he STILL should have advised George to be quiet, but the fact that he didn’t, and the fact that he’s got LE experience just shows how strong everyone thought the self-defense claim was.
Their intentions were good, naive, maybe. I think it should not have been released at this time myself. No I never said I was related to any of the Zimmerman’s. All I ever said from the very beginning is I was a friend. In the first couple of weeks no one thought that George could possibly be charged. It appeared what it is, a clear cut case of self defense. You talk about Mark and Sondra taking George and Shellie in. They didn’t even give it a second thought, even though it put them in danger when the Black Panthers were looking for George. Something that baffles me about the noon poster commenting on the book. They know the Osterman’s would not hurt George. They even let their own spouse stay with the Ostermans for about ten days.
justfactsplz, like many people here, I was not around when you revealed yourself here at the Treehouse, and all the edits didn’t happen till hours later I imagine. I am sure many have seen and know who you are. I honestly did not know till today, and I would never say anything about who you are simply because!
In response to minpin06 somewhere here, I said you were a relative of Ostermans, nothing more.
Two other people have said the exact relationship, if it is a concern, I am sure the mods will delete their comments out, if you ask them.
The reason I pointed out above a few things in your comments at ClickOrlando is to show how you reveal so much publically. People are not simply going to NOT look, when you have it all out there. Its out there. These things you say are out there, and if it is a concern that anyone knows these things, why put so much personal information out there?
You had pointed this out before if I am not mistaken along with one other person. So why bring it up again was my point. Lord knows I an not perfect but I try to be a good person. I have learned from my mistakes and have learned so much about cyper space and about trusting or not trusting people. The original edits were done very quickly as I realized by the other concerned posters that I needed to try to have that done. As I understand it you are a man of God and would not mean to cause anyone harm. I would not bother the moderators again, they have been kind enough.
A couple of corrections if you don’t mind as it is me you are talking about. I do not have three daughters, I have two, and only one of the was molested, something I do not take lightly. She is disabled and was molested by a police officer, and yes that is a difficult thing to go through. I never said I was a witness. I was on a list of possible witnesses but would ask to be dismissed if asked because of recent events.
“Among the many comments by Odessa Girl her handle on ClickOrlando”
I went back to try and figure out what you just said. Based on the thread, are you OdessaGirl? 60+, 2 (not 3) children, Mark’s M-i-L, etc.? Or did I misread it and come to the wrong conclusion?
This site went to a lot of trouble to protect my identity for safety reasons so I prefer to keep it that way but others seem to want to bring it up. I have two daughters, not three, and only one of them was molested, and she is disabled and it should never have happened to her. I do know George and absolutely one hundred percent believe he shot Trayvon in self defense, has been railroaded, and used for political gain. And that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. I am not trying to be rude in not answering all of your questions.
You’re not rude, so don’t concern yourself with that thought. I just saw some sort of crytic messege in your answer so I went to read the thread which is why I came to the conclusion I did. ‘Nuf sed.
My response posted above this comment
Actually minpin, this is what I wrote on the other thread. This was my more important reason for concern.
“And to be honest, it didn’t help GZ, all these months, when you were high fiving with the racists on Click Orlando who used the N word and said horribly racist things about blacks and got no disapproal from you. No, you called them friends and ganged up on anyone opposing you guys. People think GZ supporters are racist because of such things, and many commenters at the Click Orlando site told you that through the months. “
I’ve not heard this phrase before “new daily noon posts”,. Can you please explain what that means?
Wait til noon today and find out.
There was not a place to reply to you above. Thank your for reply and I understand what you are saying
And just to make sure you know I recieved it, you’re welcome.
Threats are only powerful as long as someone doesn’t call you out on them.
Since the “facts” the Ostermans are attempting to pedal for cash and their 15 mins of trash TV fame are hotly disputed, the Osterman’s open themselves up to litigation for slander and libel. I really wouldn’t want to be shooting my mouth off threatening litigation for a book that may be the source of your own legal troubles.
Just sayin’.
I, for one, don’t believe they are doing this for selfish or greed reasons. I think it is their way of showing that George is not the person the media makes them out to be.
I also will reserve judgment of the book, and weather or not it hurts George until I read the book myself.
That’s fine for you to “reserve judgment”. Imagine for a moment that you were going on trial for murder 2. Would you be the least bit nervous that a witness was writing a book about the circumstances surrounding your murder charge, and participating in a tv talk show? Wouldn’t you wonder why a “friend” would risk tainting the jury pool, and public opinion before you even reach the courtroom?
stella- I think that is the part many people miss. Once the horses have already left the barn it is too late to close the barn door. Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can’t shove it back in. Once the book is out, and the backlash starts, it’s too late. Really, if they cared about George, they would delay the release, at least until the case is resolved.
No matter what the content of the book. It will not help. That is the way I see it.
You make very good points, but this case is not like any other in the past. The amount of press coverage, dehumanising of George, and social media hatred is staggering. Do we know if George has given the book his blessing?
I don’t think I can tell George the best way to defend his freedom. The book may be a trainwreck or it may not.
According to the author of this post, George has NOT given the book his blessing.
Exactly, and that is what is most problematic plus the fact, aside from threats of lawsuits, that there is NO mention of money, who gets it and when and, did | mention HOW MUCH?
What is the price of freedom?
Can the loss of it be measured in terms of money? Who would go to prison for 20 years for even 20 million dollars? Not anyone I know.
I believe that I read that the book does contain more info on George’s past with his parents. Why ever would George want that put out for public consumption, especially when they have been showing such a unified support team? I’d be more than a little perturbed if a so-called friend spoke publically about confidences I may have shared with them, never guessing they would divulge that. Why put GZ’s parents through that when they are already having such a hard time since the incident. How does that help GZ, or his case?
minpin: I know you are damn good at finding information so have you seen any excerpts from the book?
What minpin is stating about the excerpts in the book, comes from comments made previously by those who have read the manuscript!
IF the email is accurate, then WHO has read the manuscript or has posed about its contents here? I do not recall justfactsplz doing that but maybe I missed it and if she did, would she be sued by her own relatives?
Something is not adding up.
I posted a comment that I thought it was reprehensible that anyone who was told personal confidential info from GZ, who relayed that personal info to the police, about GZ’s mother always hitting him, and the father just sat back and allowed it to happen was very damaging to GZ, and his family. Apparently that was released info from the law enforcement agency, it was obviously in the released discovery by the state. Why would any great and good friend give up those very personal details when it had absolutely nothing to do with the case? If you had a close friend, that repeated your confidences, would you consider that so-called friend to be a traitor? Osterman obviously knew that what he said would be released, as he has much law enforcement history. Why is Osterman choosing to bash the GZ parents when unity is so important to the GZ case?
With the email from Sondra, she is very vague about who may have received copies of the manuscript. She claims that only she, her husband, and O’Mara have been given manuscripts, and in some kind of controlled situation. She never states who her and her husband have given out copies to, and there is no explanation as to who or why they gave manuscripts to. Who knows, one of the Ostermans may have iven copies to all of their friends, asking what do you think. Sondra names no such communication. The book can have very easily fallen into may hands.
The threat of suing those that break their copyrite laws is ludicrous. Does the first person believe for a minute that the Crumpistas won’t worry a dang about that? Give me a break.
It is my personal opinion that justfactsplz is an Osterman family member, or someone who has been promoting this book for a long time. It is possible that this person may even be a promotional person for the publisher. I get especially upset when someone posts as an insider, even seemingly for the O’Mara team, that doesn’t have any more info on the O/W team then all of the rest of us. As far as O/W, there is no inside info. as they simply have no claim there.
Who has read the manuscript, likely many many. You can’t hand out books and think that it will all stay a secret. Doesn’t happen. But the legal threats should cill everyone who reads that. It’s no better than what the O admin. has done to so many.
I think I remember a comment the other day by someone (not justfactsplz) that they had read at least parts of the book. I don’t wanna say who that was, because apparently they don’t want it disclosed now.
I remember it too and remember the name
I remember one post where justfactsplz said GZ had approved and blessed it before the book began, and then recanted, or it got edited. And the same Odessagirl had begun a buzz about it on the ClickOrlando site over a month ago.
Well all this dangling a carrot in front of everyone keeping us at the edge of our seats awaiting new information is not going so smoothly for them, is it?
What a bunch of eggheads, honestly!
I would love to hear justfactsplz chime in on this. and I bet/hope she has a good explanation because something does not fit.
jordan- I’m beginning to wonder if you read what has been posted here, even fairly recently. You seem to have a whole lot of questions that have already been posed, answered, and discussed to death by the community of posters. Come on man, go back and do the research on what has been discussed. It’s your personal responsibility to do your own research. There really is no reason for everyone or anyone else to do that for you. It’s there, look for it.
Why should I do that when I count on you for ALL of the answers to the posts I missed? I cannot be here 24/7 as I have another life. So be content and accept my compliments to you for knowing so much about this case.
That said, I have searched today’s posts and cannot find that justfacsplz responded to what I meant when I said I wished she would chime in on this from the post to which I replied:
“I remember one post where justfactsplz said GZ had approved and blessed it before the book began, and then recanted, or it got edited.”
You have defined your role here, minpin. I see how you “chastise” others and that is your right but along with doing that as often as you do, sometimes without mercy, comes responsibilities.
It is a 100% certainty it will not be helpful. The question is how much damage it will cause.
Thank you for keeping an open mind and reserving judgement until you have read the book and seen the show.
The little clip I’ve seen from the show bothers me. Phil says, in a real aggravated way, something like, “But it was just a kid walking home from the store with candy!” I REALLY HOPE that Mark handled that part well, and that it turns out that Phil was just playing devil’s advocate. Because otherwise, sounds like Phil has drunk the same Kool-Aid as the others.
He definitely played the devil’s advocate and that is not what made Sondra cry. The trailer was parts of this and that. What brought tears to her eyes was when they played the tape of George yelling for help. I still cry today every time I hear it.,
Thanks, that makes me feel a little better about it. And yeah, I can just imagine how you must feel. If people like me, a complete stranger, can get emotional about those screams, I can just imagine how George’s friends and family must feel. During the second bond hearing, it was tough watching George and his Dad’s reaction to the playing of that tape. Looked like George was fighting back tears. Oh, and contrast that with the reaction of Tracy, Sybrina, and members of the Scheme Team. Even though THEY claim it’s Trayvon screaming, they showed NO emotion. What parent could do that? Could sit there and not react to hearing your own kid scream for his life? The answer is: NO PARENT COULD DO THAT. In other words, the Martins/Fultons KNOW it’s not Trayvon screaming!
Maybe I misunderstood a post on a previous thread but didn’t you say that picture above was NOT Mark and his wife?
Reserving judgment doesn’t matter, when this moment in the matrix is built around the notion that “perception is reality.” Their perception, not yours!
Omara should not touch the book with a ten foot pole in my opinion. Nor should Zimmerman. People have the right to write anything they want.
Let’s hope that once the book is out, and the Springer like interview is over, that O’Mara holds a presser and makes certain to say that neither him, nor George had anything to do with this promotion.
Dr. Phil is a huckster. He will do anything for a rating. The editing will be over the top.
It’s depressing that such shows continue to succeed because they do have an audience. Ick.
Too bad there are so many that find humor and entertainment in another person’s misery. The guest’s do it for the $$$$.
I Know of a young lady who has 5 kids, only 2 of which are with her. Anyhow, the thing is that she has been to the Maury Show 3 times for DNA test to locate the fathers of children. Only problem is she knows who the fathers are, she is living with one of them. She does it to get a free trip to New York and the $500 dollars appearance fee. On one of those occasions she asked my brother-in-law to appear as a prospective fathers on the show.
….she may be a woman, but I can guarantee you she ain’t no lady.
I was taught to be respectful of women, no matter how hard it is sometimes.
$500?! Are you serious? That’s all they pay those people?
I have no verifiable sources but I have read that some get a lot more than that. I think that some are paid for photos and other such nonsense to get around network policies.
Plus planes tickets, restaurant, hotel for 2 nights, that is it.
Yellow journalism has always been popular. The tabloids are profitable while mainstream newspapers are becoming dinosaurs. Shows like Nancy Grace do even better than Maddow.
To be honest there are lots of shows that do better than Maddow.
Yup, ..
I don’t think releasing the book or doing the interview is good at this time. But if they simply HAD to do it, they should have gone with someone like Bill Moyers. He would have played it totally straight, no hype, no attempts at ginning up controversy. There may be a few others, but Moyers is the first one who came to mind. Oh, and although I’m not a fan, I think Hannity did a pretty decent job with that other interview.
I think he did too. George had a lot of respect for Hannity at a time when so many others were biased against him without mercy. I am glad he chose him and he seemed comfortable with him.
Exactly. The only thing George or MOM should have said is either “Publish it if you want”, or “Please do NOT publish it yet”. But if they get into details, asking that this be added or that be taken out, then THEY suddenly become sorta co-authors.
“The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” – Albert Camus
I am totally turned off by the threats of “we will sue you” which obviously includes O’Mara if he allowed anyone to read the book without their approval. If the Osterman’s think that the Scheme Team, and all of the Tcongs aren’t going to repeat the possibly damaging parts of the book, they are more naive then many consider George to be. Aren’t the Crumpistas threatening to sue everyone and everything that moves.
I hate to tell ya what I think of that picture of the Osterman’s, so I won’t, I will behave. But it has to do with dak blue town cas and cement boots.
The thing is the intentions and contents don’t really matter, if the book is to flowery towards GZ, it will be called self-serving, if it criticizes GZ in any way it will be the only thing that will be talked about. It’s a LOSE-LOSE situation and the way I see it, its time has passed. It will inflame people again, forced to take sides and put the GZ in danger again. A book is the worst way to advocate for a friend, it can’t be easily corrected or retracted, what in it, is what will printed, period.
I thought justfactsplz had said in a previous thread it was not a picture of Mark and his wife. I just asked her for clarification.
From what I remember, it was the pic of the guy with George as he was leaving the jail… that’s the one she said wasn’t Osterman.
You are correct. The one leaving the jail was someone from the Bond place. Also the picture circulating the internet at an ATM is not Mark but they say it is. Seems like I heard that there was a picture at an ATM in evidence. That would be funny if it turned out to be this other guy and not Mark at all.
No I did not say that. it is their picture taken at a wedding and it was her facebook picture also.
Well that confirms what I’d been suspecting.
“hate to tell ya what I think of that picture of the Osterman’s, so I won’t, I will behave. But it has to do with dak blue town cas and cement boots.”
I’ve thought the same thing since the first time I saw that picture minpin.
“Big Joey”….
TBH I think that was the intent with that picture….too blatant not to be.
Of course, these comments are MY OPINION to which I am entitled under the 1st Amendment. YMMV
Guess I’ll have to end all my comments with that disclaimer now, in light of the not-so-subtle litigious element.
The. Ostermans are anything. But subtle. They appear to be blatant about a lot of things quite frankly blatant stupidity seems to be 1 of them
What is the advice that any and every American knows by heart. If they ask the defense attorney what they need to say publically? “Do not say one word.” The attorney is the attorney and he has a strategy that he thinks is best. The Ostermans know that. Besides, I come from the midwest, and the TV stations here are reporting correctly on the case, ever since the interview with Sean Hannity. They realize that many wrongs were done.
Certainly O’Mara is going to have to respond to this at some point. I wonder what he will say and why am I getting that whole “bond money/call #30″ feeling, lol. Well, I recommend not printing anything then and just wait to respond to it like all of the other crap that has come out since this whole thing began.
I hate you. I’m now cleaning coffee off my screen cause of that. LMFAO!
Who is going to donate money to that defense fund after this? Sorry but that free ride is over.
Hey, didn’t Sybrina run out and trademark TM’s name? Isn’t her legal team promising lawsuits? This is really creepy.
With friends like the Ostermans, who needs enemies?
Poor George, he was probably too nice to say anything. These people have clearly taken advantage of him as everyone else.
And Om will probably charge GZ $400 an hour for the hours it will take him to read the book, and decide whether or not it will hurt his client!
You show no mercy. LOL
Someone on here other then the 3 mentioned in that email saw the book they even said they did.
Yes, they did.
OK.. I have read through today’s post and I guess I missed it so if it was not you, then who said that?’
Well, the unidentified noon poster I guess has seen it. But the one who said it in a post went by the handle of Ken. I can’t remember what thread it was on and I think it was a couple of days ago, maybe more. He had posted that there was something in the book like he knew so I asked him if he had read it and he simply answered me “yes I have.”
Do you have any reason to believe him?
Knowing who he is, yes. The only way anyone could have seen it was if Omara gave it to them.
I hope MOM didn’t file that unedited copy, we all know how things get lost in his files.
The “we all know” doesn’t work for me. People, all people, make mistakes, I do not see how digs at O’Mara help GZ, nor do I think digs at anyone who takes responsibility for a mistake is warranted.
going ahead call me an omarabot…..
That was a pretty costly mistake at GZ expense.
“The “we all know” doesn’t work for me. People, all people, make mistakes, I do not see how digs at O’Mara help GZ, nor do I think digs at anyone who takes responsibility for a mistake is warranted. going ahead call me an omarabot…..”
I can assure you, indiethink, that digs at O’Mara definitely help GZ because Om cares about public opinion of him, not GZ.
This email appears to either be a hoax or the author is a literary dolt with criminal intent: First of all, if the author of the email possessed even the basic knowledge of the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, then he/she would understand that any and all literary works belong to the author and are protected by copyright as soon as they exist. Registration is not required. Stating that a book is copyrighted is redundant and serves no legitimate purpose ( http://www.wipo.int/copyright/en/general/about_copyright.html ). Second of all, due credit was given to the author of the book on it’s face as posted on this blog even though no content has been published, therefore even by the furthest stretch of the imagination there is absolutely no economic damages caused by the plagiarized release of the work. Merely releasing the work is not a copyright violation, that is so absurd it boggles a reasonable thinking person’s mind! Unless of course The Conservative Tree House has been confused with Wiki-Leaks. LOL. Thirdly, the intent of this correspondence is clear, it is to put the kibosh on the commentary of their work, by means of extortion or at the very least what the FBI calls cyber-bullying (the threat was sent my electronic means). A complaint can be filed here: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
One who takes pride in thier work welcomes people talking about it, they don’t threaten people who talk about talking about it . . . sheeesh. An honorable person would be thankful for the exposure. Apparently the author of this unapproved, unauthorized work has ulterior motives. I understand the scheme team hoppin’ on the GZ cash cow, but a so called friend? Mark and Sondra you should be ashamed of yourself and that is my adding “a little truth to your story”! . . .
On a side note, IMHO a more appropriate title for this post is: Sundancecracker hits Osterman Nerve(s). Just sayin’.
Thank you for getting all that said so concisely. The sense of threat apparently intended by the e-mail is….apparently intended. As you suggest, that leads to a bunch of other thoughts.
It’s such a shame for a person to have to ward off attacks from his allies especially in George’s case where he’s acquired so many enemies he does not deserve.
Well said, and well stated.
I do not believe Sondra and Mark Osterman have thought this thing through from the perspective of “unitended consequences”. Nor do they grasp, or understand, the legal consequences.
Regardless of how they seek to portray their story, or that of GZ, if there is even a slight disparity between Zimmerman and Osterman – which apparently there is – the media will jump at the opportunity.
O’Mara cannot condone this book, nor be “on record” in support of such an endeavor because it then attaches to him a level of ownership for the message contained in the book.
Nor, do I think, MoM would “imply” approval or disapproval. Hence, he will not, and has not, given his opinion.
Similar to a candidate leaving the bi-line “my name is (______) and I approve of this message”…. absent of this message the impacted party has plausible deniability.
Absent of this sentiment any disparity -between the message/facts within the book, and the message/facts espoused by the defense- will be used to create division between GZ/MoM and the Osterman’s.
Division and controversy sell stories!
The publisher and author(s) benefits from controversy, and the media selling a message of outrage benefit from controversy; George Zimmerman does not benefit from controversy. Exactly the opposite.
The brutally honest truth is – There is a HUGE risk at play here. The short-sighted quest for monetary gain has massive downsides.
This is a completely senseless act of defying all that is sound, sensible, rational logic.
I think of George’s father, how he spoke on the stand, simple, clear cut answers, “the voice is George’s.” Did he loudly need to state that was his dearly beloved son’s voice. Truth does not need to be overstated or underlined.
From hearing the title of the book, “Defending our friend, the most hated man in America, the George Zimmerman we know,” my sense was that its oversell to compensate for the blessing they do not have on it.
As for Sondra, me thinks the lady doth protest too much!
I’m especially bother by “the most hated man in America.” Do they even have a clue that the last Rasmussen poll turned to George’s favor? I guess claiming that he is the most hated man in America is a selling title.
Now is the time for Zimmerman to dig in and keep his head down. The truth is just starting to take it’s toll on Corey and Crump.
You got that right . . . perhaps the Ostermans can find guidance in The Conservative Tree House while the Truth is still on their side. I pray they do a little soul searching before they cross a line they can not turn back from.
There is no UNDO button for print media.
jordan2222, Right, that line is probably already behind those two.
I can only say again, Mark Osterman was the guy that showed up at the scene of the incident that night, from a call from Shellie. He accompanied GZ to the police station that night, and was present during the next day’s reenactment. From what I’ve read he just advised GZ to tell the truth. This guy was a former sheriff’s deputy in Seminole county, and he was fired from that job. Only in Obama’s Ameriutopia can you get fired for cause as a sherif’s deputy, and then get a job as an Air Marshall in Nappy’s DHS. But all Mark Osterman advised GZ to do was “tell the truth.” He damn well knew that the police would use his statements against him, as a previous sherrif’s deputy, he knew it inside and out. From what I’ve read, he never advised him to shut up until he got an attorney. Read that again, as a sherrif’s deputy in Seminole county, he never advised that GZ get an attorney before he said anything. Was Osterman honest when he took a side job protecting a guy that he was totally fooled by, as the guy fooled him into believing he had tons of money. Look at the money angle, then put that in your hat and smoke it. It seems to me that the guy has never been willing to live within his law enforcement pay, he needs much more than that.
George Bush was president when Osterman went to work for Homeland Security.
Bush’s worst mistake. DHS. Knee jerk reaction to 911.
It takes a seriously professional moonbat prog to find a way to blame a 2012 book publication on Bush. Well done. Take a bow and extra credit votes for your induction into the Moonbattyest Hall of Fame.
Thank You! Thank You!
Do you ever contribute anything at all to this site. Have you found whatever it is you are looking for here.
Yes I do. I have never trusted Osterman in this whole thing and I would really like to know why he said George rotated his gun and shot Trayvon.
rotated his gun?
Yes, Osterman said he drew his gun, rotated it and shot Trayvon. It is in his interview report in the last discovery.
Just curious as to why you think he did not advise George to get an attorney. What could have been his motive ?
Osterman’s, if you absorbed anything that was said here, i hope and pray it was this statement:
“The brutally honest truth is – There is a HUGE risk at play here. The short-sighted quest for monetary gain has massive downsides.”
Ostermans: if you are a true friend to George Zimmerman, you won’t put his future at risk with what you are doing… you are opening some dangerous doors that won’t slam shut after the damage is unleashed.
George, you are a good guy, I believe in your innocence – there are many of us out here on your side.
I have no motive in telling you this beyond giving you some beneficial advice:
Please. use good sense and good advice this time. and don’t allow the Ostermans to sabotage your chance at the future and your freedom. If they truly are your friends, they would never never put your future at risk so carelessly and stupid.
They aren’t friends, George, they are OPPORTUNISTS using YOU.
I am sure you have checked this out as much as possible but is there any possibility that her email to you is bogus?
Bogus how?
I was asking as result of this post:
USAnaturalBorn says:
August 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm
This email appears to either be a hoax or the author is a literary dolt with criminal intent:
No it is not bogus. I received the same email and it was from her email address.
Why would she make the threats?
I don’t know and I don’t want to speculate on it. I have my own personal ideas but she did not share with me why.
Just because someone writes a book on a certain subject doesn’t mean they are an expert. The Osterman’s don’t come across as having expertise in the promo let alone wisdom in discussing GZ’s case. The promo of the show just came across….as a show.
Thanks Treehouse for running the exclusive series. Whoever is writing that comes across as having expertise and wisdom.
With respect. ftsk, is there any chance that you can find another toy somewhere else to play with?
I guess I could.
Ok, this just dawned on me. Osterman gave a very detailed account what George told him about the shooting to the investigators. I always wondered why he did that if he was really Georges friend even if he believed it all. The less talk to the cops the better. I bet he did it because he already had it written down for his book and wanted it in there and knew he had to tell the police if he was going to publish the book.
Now this has got me really going. What if Osterman showed the detectives the book he was writing? Do they have a copy of some early pages of the draft?
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I am impressed and must admit, that come up with something from nothing. I don’t know what your present career is, but with some research as background you could write all sort of conspiracy books and be successful.
Good one!
It’s probably NAT JACKSON. I can see the “Ghetto talk” trying to seep through her posts.
or maybe it’s Dr. Phil
That would not surprise me in least, either her or a Crump employee.
What if Osterman attempted to bribe Omara for his approval by saying he planned on donating a portion of the proceeds to George and Omara adamantly refused? That act alone tends to tell me a lot as to the motivation behind this of course and the failure of the Osterman’s to weigh the possible consequences to George no matter how noble they want to present themselves I feel is a betrayal. Then to choose Dr. Phil to be the vehicle to launch goes beyond betrayal to downright unforgivable as far as I am concerned and you can believe I am not the only one close that feels this way. Thank you SD for running this series in advance as I have all confidence that if there is anything that can be done (short of putting the toothpaste back in the tube) this will be a great contribution toward keeping it right and true as possible.
Any chance an ignore button can be put on this site. There is more then a few I would love to click that button for.
I bet you are not alone in that thought, LOL. I have one in my mind I press sometimes to just ignore and not say something.
It’s why I quit subscribing to an entire thread…. too much BS posted here to read. I wish we could selectively subscribe.
I know, but actually this site is easier to maneuver than many others. Some of the others have treads with three to five hundred posts on them.
Sorry for misspelling of “threads”.
Was there an 8/31 Zimmerman thread?
No I don’t think so. They just used the “book” topics as threads.
I appreciate your predicament and sent up some prayers. I only hope you weather this storm with no emotional harm.
Actually I cried for hours over one of the posts on here. I appreciate your prayers more than you will ever know.
So are we going to see some excerpts from this book? And, if so, will the site be sued or even shut down?
This will be an interesting showdown.
jordan2222 Nothing like that is going to happen!
Its like you have some sort of bruised ego, I think. Maybe SD was a bit hard on you, but Sharon went out of her way to be nice to you.
But you keep egging people on with crazy questions and predictions like “this will be an interesting showdown” and its like you are lurking around to see something wicked happen so you could feel yourself vindicated. Life is too short to stay where you are unhappy. You seem to have a lot to offer, please try to be happy.
It’s just too bad the George can’t take a cavalier attitude Like the Duke of Wellington When the Duke of Wellington was threatened to the publication of some private material he wrote Publish and be damned Anybody that hurts George’s far as I’m concerned will be damned
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