UPDATE: Now This Gets Interesting….. Sybrina D Fulton filed a claim against the HOA insurance carrier Travelers, who have now filed with the court to avoid liability…..

UPDATE - Bear with me while I try to interpret what is being shared  in the comments as an explanation.   We’ll start with thanking USAnaturalborn for direct links to the filing:

UPDATE #2 Several weeks ago, we shared that our Treeper sources were reporting an initial agreement of some kind between the Scheme Team and The HOA for the Retreat At Twin Lakes, the subdivision where Trayvon was shot.

The insurance company for the HOA is “Travelers”.

Well, apparently the “agreement” was not an agreement at all, and was actually an insurance claim filed by the lawyers representing  Sybrina Martin (Natalie Jackson, Benjamin Crump, and Daryl Parks) against the policy of the HOA written by Travelers.

Now the insurance carrier has responded with a petition to the Federal Circuit Court within Florida seeking to clarify if the court agrees with their assertion that they (Travelers) are NOT liable under the provisions of the policy……  

I hope I got that right. 

It has always been about the money

Despite the fact that multiple site visitors with agendas try to undermine our information, as they do with most,   The Truth Has No Agenda - and we knew the truth to be “something was/had been agreed upon or at least “in the works“.

There were no visible signs of a lawsuit anywhere in the Florida Courts so apparently it was more of a private party contractural agreement.  We called it blackmail/extortion at the time figuring it was more of a: pay us $ now, or we’ll sue you for $$$$ later, strategy against the HOA or their insurance carrier.

This was not so much a guess, it was the previously employed successful tactic of Benjamin Crump and Daryl Parks, as well as Natalie Jackson in the Justin Collison case.

In the Collison case Natalie Jackson teamed up with the NAACP of Seminole County and threatened the Collison family with the ire of the “black community” despite the continued requests of her client, Sherman Ware, not to employ such money grubbing tactics.  Eventually Collison settled with Sherman Ware and gave in to the extortion demands with payment to the Seminole NAACP itself.

Natalie Jackson, Benjamin Crump, Daryl Parks

HatTip Mrs Orange - Lookie here :  Apparently the Scheme Team and HOA have done something to upset the Insuring Company, Travelers.   Travelers is now suing the HOA and Sybrina Fulton along with her representatives.   Justia Docket

OH MY….  Delicious push-back.   Perhaps a simple contractural breach, perhaps another contractural violation of sorts based on “bad faith”, or perhaps Travelers indeed was/is being extorted by the race-baiting manipulations of the Scheme Team (Jackson, Parks and Crump esq. along with Trayvon Family) using the previously successful NAACP extortion method employed against Justin Collison…..

….which, according to my research they would indeed file under “Bad Faith” Cause Statute 28:1332 contract - Insurance parameters.

At this point we cannot be sure but it is a FACT: on August 1st 2012 Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America became the plaintiff against The Retreat At Twin Lakes Homeowners’ Association, Inc. and Sybrina D. Fulton, in a “Contract – Insurance” lawsuit.  (Link HERE)

Case # 6:2012 cv 01185

Any legal eagles, or anyone with a PACER account that can access the filing,  please weigh in on the details in the comment section.

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412 Responses to UPDATE: Now This Gets Interesting….. Sybrina D Fulton filed a claim against the HOA insurance carrier Travelers, who have now filed with the court to avoid liability…..

  1. waltherppk says:

    Some companies like some people react in extremely uncooperative ways to a shakedown scam.

    • jello333 says:

      I’ve just now started to read through this thread, but I wanted to say something right up front: If this is true — that the insurance company is NOT gonna play the Martin/Fulton/Crump game — then that’s BIG. Because I think most of us assumed that once threats of lawsuits began to get thrown around, most of the “defendants” would just do whatever they needed to make it go away. Even if they had to pay some $$ to Crump, at least they wouldn’t have to face the public headlines that would associate them with the shooting. We assumed they’d be so scared of being painted as RAYYSSISSS! that they’d gladly pay the extortionists. But looks like we (or at least myself) were wrong. By these guys (the Travelers Insurance Co) REFUSING to go along, it very well might cause a chain reaction…. whereby the Crump Team starts to realize they are OUT OF LUCK all the way around! And worse than that (for them), they will very likely eventually be facing lawsuits coming AT THEM from George and others. YAY!

      • jordan2222 says:

        My observation is that Scheme Team’s Tour was not profitable nor have the websites raised much money. I do not know about sales of trademarked merchandise but I sure as hell don’t hear anything about any items being hot or selling out.

        How are they going to pay Sharpton and Jackson or did they already get their cut?

        This claim against Traveler’s sounds like it was a desperate attempt to raise badly needed cash.. fast.. and it has now backfired. OOPS.

        I have seen no evidence that they have any money coming in unless it is from the NAACP or some other similar group.

        IMO, lots of folks are now seeing this for what it has been from the beginning. Just the fact that Crump would do this will make people think he is trying to make money off of Martin’s death, especially since there has yet to be a SYG hearing or trial.

        What I am wondering is where Crump is getting the funds to continue this charade. Does anyone know for sure?

        • jordan2222 says:

          Sorry, but all of my post didn’t make it.

          Why isn’t this fraud if she knew the policy was not in effect?

        • gbishop1 says:

          If you remember the Tawanna Brawley case, jordan2222, Sharpton was made to pay $65,000 for all the trouble he caused. I’d like to see such things happen here. A financial judgment levied against all of these scumbags and the Martin’s law team. They have to punish these guys appropriately, looking at all the trouble they keep causing, again and again. Here is the aftermath portion of the Brawley case from Wikipedia:

          “The case exposed deep mistrust in the black community about winning justice from legal institutions.[16] Some opinions remained fixed. Legal scholar Patricia Williams wrote in 1991 that the teenager “has been the victim of some unspeakable crime. No matter how she got there. No matter who did it to her and even if she did it to herself.”[23] These comments aroused controversy as well.[24]

          The events were alluded to in Spike Lee’s 1989 film Do the Right Thing, in which a scene showed a brick wall bearing the graffiti message “Tawana told the truth”.[25]

          On May 21, 1990, Alton H. Maddox, Jr. was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.[26]

          In 1998, Pagones was awarded $345,000 (he sought $395 million) through a lawsuit for defamation of character that he had brought against Sharpton, Maddox and Mason. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. The jury deadlocked on four of the 22 statements over which Pagones had sued, and it found eight statements to be non-defamatory.[27] In a later interview, Pagones said the turmoil by the accusations of Brawley and her advisers had cost him his first marriage and much personal grief.[28]

          Pagones had also sued Brawley. She defaulted by not appearing at the trial, and the judge ordered her to pay him damages of $185,000. As of 2003, none of the award had been paid.[29] The $65,000 judgment levied against Al Sharpton was paid for him in 2001 by supporters, including renowned attorney Johnnie Cochran plus former businessman Earl G. Graves, Jr.[30][31]

          Brawley has maintained she did not invent the story; in a 1997 appearance, she still had supporters.[32] In November 2007, Brawley’s stepfather and mother, in a 20th anniversary feature for the New York Daily News, contended the attack happened. “How could we make this up and take down the state of New York? We’re just regular people,” Glenda Brawley said, adding, “We should be millionaires.” They said they had asked New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and Governor Eliot Spitzer to reopen the case. They also said that Brawley, who has converted to Islam, would speak at any legal proceedings.[33]“

      • The best thing to happened to Sabrina was for her son to have been shot.and killed…She has profited about a million bucks…Ask her how she spends that money???? I bet she has alot of new jewelry and a car and a custom built home…THAT’S ASHAME; THIS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY..I WOULD DONATE ALL THE MONEY JUST TO PROVE THAT MY SON;S DEATH WAS NOT FOR MY PROFIT..

  2. diwataman says:

    Oh my is right and I sure hope it’s “the race-baiting manipulations” push back thing. I thought is was a little bit quiet over there on the Scheme Team side lately. Good job y’all.

    • waltherppk says:

      Travellers is probably being given a choice to pay up or else (be exposed as heartless racists and sued in an affirmative action court) It’s all about justice for you know who equals money for you know who else

  3. froggielegs says:

    If you scroll down to defendants and click on Dockets under Sybrina’s name this page comes up…

    http://dockets.justia.com/search?q=Sybrina+D.+Fulton

    Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America v. The Retreat At Twin Lakes Homeowners’ Association, Inc. et al
    Filed: August 1, 2012 as 6:2012cv01185
    Plaintiff: Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America
    Defendants: The Retreat At Twin Lakes Homeowners’ Association, Inc. and Sybrina D. Fulton
    Cause Of Action: Diversity-Declaratory Judgment
    Court: Eleventh Circuit > Florida > Middle District Court
    Type: Contract > Insurance

  4. kathyca says:

    It’s a declaratory judgment action. Sybrina made a claim under the HOA’s claims-made D&O type policy. Travelers wants a declaration that it has no duty to defend or indemnify based on the policy’s exclusion for bodily injury, except for mental anguish or emotional distress which are part of claim for wrongful employment practices. The complaint and the basis of the motion are extremely narrow, ime. The whole pleading is only 5 pages long. The last name of Travelers is represented by Litchfield Cavo in Ft. Lauderdale. George is identified as the designated neighborhood watch captain/coordinator, but does not allege whether or not he was acting in that capacity at the time of the shooting.

    • kathyca says:

      should by complaint, not motion

      • English, version for us non lawyerly types? (((raising hand))) What is a D&O? and all the other stuff seems a little squiggly too….. Sorry I’ma doofus. :( Exactly what are you saying?

        • kathyca says:

          Directors and Officers. The policy has a different name, but that’s generally the type of coverage it provides. Travelers is just asking the court to decide whether or not there is coverage based on a policy exclusion that applies to preclude coverage for any kind of bodily injury, including death and mental or emotional distress and anguish, unless the claim is for mental or emotion distress and anguish (presumably sustained by Sybrina) that is part of a claim for “wrongful employment practices.” Wrongful employment practices is a defined term in the policy and I’m guessing one of the questions is whether the HOA’s using George as neighborhood watch is a “wrongful employment practice” such that Sybrina’s claim for mental anguish and emotion distress would not fall within the exception to coverage. Is that better? I apologize. I don’t speak plain english very well under the best circumstances, much less when it has to do with insurance! lol

          • Thank you for your explanations. sometimes writing what we know is challening because we have to first clear our heads and write from the perspective of the reader having zero actual knowledge of what is being discussed. That approach is muchly needed.

            Question #1. Has Sybrina Sued someone?

            Question #2. Who?

            Question #3. If known, under what provision?

            Question #4. Is the Insurance Company trying to identify liability, or disputing it.

            I guess I could go on with a million more questions but if anyone wants to take me from A to at least M it would be mucho appreciated.

            • kathyca says:

              (1) Based on the complaint, Sybrina has made a claim under the policy but has not sued anyone yet.

              (2) N/A

              (3) I’m sure she just made a general claim under the policy, as a whole. She may have cited particular provisions, but just as easily may not have. There are no allegations in the complaint that she cited any particular policy provision.

              (4) Travelers is “disputing” that they owe any money under the policy, but is asking the Judge to decide whether the exclusion applies before they make a decision. They are asking the Court to decide to avoid a “bad faith” claim by Sybrina for wrongfully denying coverage. A bad faith claim can result in punitive damages, etc.. If the judge decides that the policy exclusion applies, Sybrina gets nothing because the policy doesn’t apply at all. If the exception to the exclusion applies, Travelers will pay something. I would expect some discovery followed by a quick motion for summary judgment asking the court to rule without a trial .

          • doodahdaze says:

            For 1 million Travelers may have hired an investigator. Who knows what they know.

    • johngalt90210 says:

      “except for mental anguish or emotional distress which are part of claim for wrongful employment practices”

      So since Trayvon wasn’t an employee, and Sybrina isn’t an intended 3rd party beneficiary, is this an appropriate point for the photo of Parks doing the belly flop on the dunk attempt?

  5. kathyca says:

    should be “be” not “by” lol time for bed :)

  6. Hello SDC, I’m no legal eagle, but I do have a Pacer Account. Here is all the docs on the docket so far. Hope it helps! . . .

    [scribd id=102137334 key=key-1jou6hxba6k8duuxf99p mode=list]

    [scribd id=102137336 key=key-1tmm309a7njgmuszksl8 mode=list]

    [scribd id=102137339 key=key-ctuwzv3b3tbfl6svsop mode=list]

  7. knuckledragingwino says:

    I find it very interesting that Travelers is suing both the HOA and Fulton. If the issue was alleged negligence regarding GZ, they would sue GZ and the HOA. If the issue were merely the shakedown, they would sue Fulton. I suspect that Travelers is alleging some type of collusion between Fulton and the HOA or certain members of the HOA. Is Brandy Green a member of the HOA? Are the witnesses that have changed their accounts of events members of the HOA. Is Travelers filing suit because they know that certain members of the HOA have wit held information that would exonerate GZ and Travelers from liability.

    Whicherver the case is, it seems that travelers will fight the presumed claims against them bare knuckle. Travelers has money for out of State attorneys who will not be deferential to Lester the Molester.

    I know that people are sensitive about the “hunted TM down like a dog” imagery, but Travelers can sue Sabrina Fulton, Tracy Martin and Brandy Green for negligently allowing a person with a proven history of violent behavior to live at the RTL just as they could sue them for knowingly and intentionally keeping a rabid dog which then bit someone which got them sued.

    Questions:
    Does anyone have a copy of the HOA rules and regulations?
    Is there record of any complaints against Brandy Green regarding the behavior of her various “fiances”, excuse me guests and their spawn?
    Was the HOA negligent for allowing Brandy Green to live there in spite of said violations?

    This is going to be fun!!!

    • kathyca says:

      It’s totally standard. The HOA is a party because its the named insured and its rights under its contract with Travelers are at issue. Sybrina is sued because she’s the claimant and she probably wouldn’t be bound by the decision unless she’s named as a party. There are no allegations of fraud or collusion etc…..yet, anyway

      • doodahdaze says:

        Seems like there is no insurance coverage. Meaning the Trevonistas will have to sue the homeowners. Including all the witnesses :)

        • kathyca says:

          I’d have to read the whole policy, which I think is an attachment to the complaint. But, yes, it certainly seems like there’s a very strong argument based on that exclusion. I’m gonna see if Travelers’ counsel is connected to me or my groups on LinkedIn :)

        • johngalt90210 says:

          2 year statute of limitations? They may have to file suit against the witnesses prior to the criminal trial.

    • What about Tracy? Does he have a criminal record? He was also a guest of Brandy.

    • canadacan says:

      I’m going to stay up all night and read this I knew it I knew it the chickens have come home to roost big time hallelujah” /

  8. Can someone write me a few paragraphs perhaps explaining this entire thing from start to finish so I can share with readers. I am guessing that Sybrina has filed a “claim” against the HOA insurance company, is that correct?…. start there please. I’ll copy it into an update so readers can understand so please focus on crystal clarity. Thanks.

    • doodahdaze says:

      Read the above link by US Natural. Petition for declaratory relief. It has the info. Travelers says no coverage. Wants Fulton to pay up their costs.

      • diwataman says:

        Yeah but why are they citing other stuff? Clearly if they were not insuring at the time then they can’t be responsible yeah? So why bother saying anything else but that?

        • kathyca says:

          It’s a “claims-made” policy, which means it potentially provides coverage for any claim that is made under the policy during the policy period (i.e., Sybrina’s) more or less regardless of when the event took place.

          • waltherppk says:

            Here’s the statute or code and according to Travellers cover sheet it is a “diversity” related issue.
            http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1332

            • waltherppk says:

              Oh I see 1332 is simply identifying basis for identifying the particular courts jurisdiction

            • kathyca says:

              walther, that only refers to why they are in Federal Court. Insurance companies almost always want to be in Federal Court instead of State court for a lot of reasons I won’t go into. But one of the ways toget to Federal Court is if the parties are citizens of different states. When they are, the Federal Court has what’s called “diversity jurisdiction”. That’s what the reference on the cover sheet is all about. It’s letting the Federal Court know why the case belongs there instead of state court.

              • doodahdaze says:

                Here it is Federal for claims over 75k.

                • kathyca says:

                  It’s the same everywhere. You have to meet the jurisdictional minimum amount of $75k and one or more of the other criteria for Federal Jurisdiction.

              • johngalt90210 says:

                28 USC 2201 is discretionary “may [not shall] declare the rights and other legal relations of any interested party seeking such declaration”

                Maybe they can try to take it to state court?

          • froggielegs says:

            But the policy wasn’t in effect till March 30 2012 after the shooting.

            • kathyca says:

              Doesn’t matter when the shooting happened under this kind of policy. Under a “claims made” policy such as this one, there is coverage for a claim made during the policy period regardless of when the event that is the basis for the claim happened.

              • youwantthattoo says:

                Kathy, thanks for the info. You really know your stuff. I just have one question. Why would travelers issue a policy when this incident is sitting out there. I think we all knew the COA would get sued, so why would travelers issue them a policy?

                • kathyca says:

                  The policy was issues on March 30, 2012, but it was probably applied for well before that time. And it may be a renewal, which would make the underwriting process a little bit different (more streamlined). The application would have required that the HOA tell the insurer of any known claims and probably potential claims. The question from Traverlers’ perspective probably is whether the insured knew or had reason to know of an actual or potential claim before the policy was issued. If its a renewal policy, though, it really wouldn’t matter since the claim would then have just been “made” under the prior policy. Unless the terms of the two policies were significantly different, which they probably are not, it would be a distinction without a difference in most cases. I haven’t double-checked yet, but I’m guessing that’s the case. If someone has the policy handy, it should say right on the first page whether it’s a renewal. Usually in the top right-hand corner.

        • froggielegs says:

          Covering their butts. is my guess. Bet they already said no to Fulton that’s where she demanded they pay. (notice demand is used often in this filing) Travelers isn’t suing her, they are asking for a court to look over their policy and see where they were not covered at the time and their policy clearly states it does not cover loss caused by death.

        • doodahdaze says:

          It seems to date the policy on March 30. I Dunno. Maybe it was a renewal. This gets crazier by the day. Maybe Travelers can get the trash can money. Travelers is not going to defend the HOA. If the Judge says no coverage that is it for the insurance and leaves the Homeowners on the hook. Including Cutcher, Green, and Brown if they own their condo.

    • kathyca says:

      I can take a stab at is SDC. But it won’t be until tomorrow. I haven’t been to bed yet! I’ll check in with you and see if you still want/need something then. Also, as I said, clarity is not my strong suit in the insurance litigation realm. My only audience for the past “too many years to count” has been peeps who, unfortunately, write and speak the same way I do :/

  9. If I’m a dumbass just tell me. But again I read the damn thing and I’m still clueless. Sybrina has filed a claim and the insurance company is asking a court to determine if it has liability? It looks like the policy cited was written after the shooting – doesn’t that matter?

    Help? Anyone who understands lawyer, but speaks, and writes non-lawyer…

    • froggielegs says:

      Yes it matters plus they show the court where their policy doesn’t cover loss due to death. As I said it looks to me like they already said no but Fulton is pushing the issue (demanding) so they want the court to look it over.

    • kathyca says:

      See my post, above. With this type of policy it does NOT matter. Sybrina must have made her claim on or after the first day of the policy. That would make her claim a “claim made during the policy period” and that’s what this type of policy covers. It’s not at all like the auto or homeowners’ type policies we’re all familiar with.

      • diwataman says:

        That just makes no sense to me, lol.

        • doodahdaze says:

          It is like Obamacare. Get your insurance after the fire.

        • kathyca says:

          There are business reasons for it. I won’t even try to explain them right now, though. You’ll have to trust me ; )

          • diwataman says:

            Oh I believe ya and the 5 page petition clearly speaks to the fact as they are citing other stuff. I just don’t get how that makes good business sense, guess that’s why I’m not a successful businessman.

        • froggielegs says:

          Here’s an explanation of what claims-made means

          “Claims-Made Policies
          The claims-made approach is commonly used with professional liability insurance such as directors & officers’ coverage, medical and legal malpractice insurance, and errors & omissions policies. In a claims-made policy, coverage is triggered by the date the insured first became aware of the possibility of a claim and notified the insurer of such knowledge. The insurance policy in force on the date the insured gained such awareness is the one which responds to the claim. The policy period for a claims-made policy will extend backwards in time to a “retroactive date” years before the policy was purchased. Therefore, the policy will provide coverage for claims made today stemming from actions or events all the way back to that retroactive date. A claims-made policy requires the claim be made during the policy period or an extended reporting period (“ERP”). The most widely used claims-made policy is the “Claims-Made & Reported” form. This form provides coverage only for losses which: (a) occurred after the retroactive date and, (b) were reported during the policy period or ERP. In contrast is the less commonly used “Pure Claims-Made” form. The major distinction between this form and the claims-made & reported form is that with the pure claims-made form, the insured need only report the claim “as soon as practicable,” or “promptly,” and not necessarily during the policy term.

      • doodahdaze says:

        If there is no insurance I think that leaves the homeowners as the only target. If Crump was to win then I think the homeowners would have to pay. Maybe some sort of extra monthly fee?

        • ctdar says:

          Is there no umbrella to protect the homeowners ? Why on earth would anyone join an association that would have them be responsible for injuries/deaths of folks associated with other units? Maybe this makes Brandy responsible because TM was her guest ? Or whatever poor saps (John?) property that the beat down happened on.You think the HOA would have insurance on common areas, walkways, etc.
          Also if as read this insurance only covers employees, since GZ was not on payroll, and also was not out that night to start on neighborhood watch, SF does not have a claim.
          Why isn’t Tracy also listed on claim as Petioner? Where is Tracy? Rats deserting the sinking ship

          • froggielegs says:

            The claim lists Sybrina as the “personal representative of the Estate of Trayvon Martin” . Which is really kind of odd. Wouldn’t Tracy also be listed as that if they had joint custody? Course maybe she had to become the rep once she filed for tradmarks?

        • youwantthattoo says:

          I believe the association likely has two types of insurance. The typical liability insurance, plus the officers and directors of the association (president, vp, secretary,treasurer) have this additional coverage (D & O insurance). The purpose of this insurance is to protect the officers from PERSONAL liability in the event that they do something they should not have or fail to do something they should.

          My guess is that SF is claiming that the ssociation board knew GZ was patrolling while on watch and they did nothing or something along those lines. Basically she is probably alleging that the board screwed up by appointing GZ as NW coordinator.

          She most likely has also filed a claim under their liability policy also.

          • boricuafudd says:

            Actually it means that they bought insurance to cover their officers after the incident, and when it was becoming evident that GZ could be charged. So they got insurance to covered themselves the board members not the HOA.

      • froggielegs says:

        OK I got it LOL It doesn’t matter when the event happened. All that matters is Fulton made the claim during the policy period. The event could of been 6 months prior doesn’t matter

      • recoverydotgod says:

        http://www.insurancethoughtleadership.com/index.php/site/claims-management/key-terminology-for-claims-made-policies-for-professional-and-management-li/#axzz22mNaEu88

        Key Terminology for Claims-Made Policies for Professional and Management Liability
        By David Lewison
        October 30, 2011

      • Bs Kathyca.
        ——————
        Bs” is not the type of response that promotes good conversation. –Admin

        • kathyca says:

          Thanks. I have no problem discussing whether and why I’m wrong and, if I am, I’d be the first to admit it. Kinda hard to know where to start in response to a post like that though.

    • waltherppk says:

      Travellers is basically saying they aren’t liable according to the exclusion language of the policy and it looks like plain enough English to Travellers, but would the Court by its order affirm or kindly translate that plain English into ebonics so Benjamin Crump can understand there is nothing to get from Travellers. It is basically Travellers winking at the Federal judge and saying buddy help us out here ’cause these “neighbors” don’t get it. That’s what I get from this.

  10. The date of the policy is just a few days after Trayvon’s death. Coincidence?

  11. froggielegs says:

    Here’s what I thought were the important parts…

    Policy Exclusions

    The insured shall not be liable to make any payment for loss in connection with any Claim made against any of the Insureds:

    1) Based upon, arising out of, direct or indirectly resulting from, consequences of or in any way involving bodily injury, sickness, mental anguish, emotional distress, disease or death of any person, provided that this exclusion shall not apply to allegations of mental anguish or emotional distress if and only to the extent that such allegations are made as part of a Claim for Wrongful Employment Practices.

    On March 30, 2012, Travelers issued a claims-made Non Profit Management and Organization Liability policy, which is a type of Officers (D&O) coverage, to The Retreat at Twin Lakes, effective March 30, 2012 to March 30, 2013.

    After inception of the claims-made policy, Fulton made a claim for monetary damages against Travelers Policy issued to The Retreat at Twin Lakes as a result of the fatal shooting of Martin.
    .

    Wherefore, Petitioner, Travelers respectfully requests this Court to enter a judgement declaring that:

    A. Travelers has no duty to defend The Retreat at Twin Lakes in connection with Fulton claim and demand

    B. Travelers has no duty to idemnify The retreat at twin Lakes in connection with Fulton claim and demand

    C. Travelers further requests judgement for it’s costs for disbursements incurred herein and for such other relief as may be warrented.

    • kathyca says:

      Those are exactly the important parts. I think what Wrongful Employment Practices are will be key.

      • I’m not a lawyer but wouldn’t GZ have to get compensated to be considered an employee? He was a volunteer.

        http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/employee

      • doodahdaze says:

        If he rules Zimmerman was an employee, and that Travelers is on the hook, is liable, then that will be the end of NW programs. No insurance would cover anyone in a NW program. But I think the provision is for claims by an EE against the HOA. Not for claims by a 3rd party against the HOA for the action of an EE.

        • kathyca says:

          I thinks that’s exactly how it was intended to apply.

          • doodahdaze says:

            Then this leaves the Tvonista’s with only the homeowners themselves to sue? Including all the witnesses? Including Cutcher, Brown , and Green if they are owners not renters?

            • ftsk420 says:

              Green rents I don’t know about the others. But that would put her in a sticky situation with whoever owns her home. I know Leland Management owns a lot of houses in there.

          • waltherppk says:

            That’s the way I see it too, this claim would maybe work if George was suing the HOA, now there’s a thought, and I have wondered why the HOA hasn’t been a huge advocate for George instead of sort of throwing him under the bus. Political correctness ? Anyway it looks to me like George could sue the HOA but Sybrina is SOL on that.

            • waltherppk says:

              Something which will be relevant is whether or not George got a break on his rent for being the neighborhood watch point man and if the HOA was involved in that compensation.

              • DK says:

                I really doubt it. We would have heard about this by now because it would have been in writing and have clearly defined performance parameters for receiving these benefits.

            • ftsk420 says:

              HOA always through people under the bus. They are some of the most shady people alive.

          • wrongonred says:

            The Wrongful Employment Practices is a required exemption for compliance with Federal Law, no, ie. EEOC employment related issues? I think to claim that George was an employee, and of the court were to make that determination, essentially that NW Volunteers are in fact “employees” that would then mean a slew of Federal Employment Laws were also violated at the same time, in both this case, and in many communities across the nation, no?

            • froggielegs says:

              “Legal judgments and settlements against an association’s board members and directors are usually covered by an errors-and-omissions insurance policy, but the community’s crime-watch program would not be covered because it’s considered more of a neighborhood committee, Bergemann added.

              In the past, associations facing legal damages have tried to file bankruptcy, but judges have not looked favorably on such a strategy, Bergemann said. Also, judges have considered the houses in a community as collateral to cover such damages, he said.

              In 2006, the state’s 3rd District Court of Appeal held the homeowner association for a South Florida community, Lago Grande, partially responsible in a wrongful-death case; property owners there were assessed about $2,000 each to pay the legal judgment.

              Even though the facts of that case differed from those of the Trayvon Martin case, it illustrates how homeowners can be forced to pay for civil judgments imposed on their association.”

              http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/03/30/homeowners-could-be-sued-trayvon-martins-neighborhood-watch-death

              • wrongonred says:

                So you are saying that while the exclusion cause applies for Traveller’s that the HOA however is not indemnified? Just trying not to conflate the 2 issues, because while similar, they are 2 very different legal questions. One strictly governed by Tort (contract exclusion/Traveller’s) and another which is quite a bit more open to Florida’s “Home Cooking” (HOA Liability). The kicker is, be removing Traveller’s from the equation, you remove the deep pockets…….once the insurer is out, we are therefore talking about squeezing “blood from a turnip” should a judgement be made against an uninsured HOA.

                • froggielegs says:

                  Right. Travelers does not feel they should cover it which will put it back on the HOA if the judge rules in Travelers favor. Then the HOA can use their NW pamplets to show that they trained all block captain with LE and they are not suppose to carry a gun while doing NW Patrols. While we know George was not patrolling at the time of shooting Trayvon, I think that might get the HOA off the hook. Which will leave poor Sybrina back on the trash can tour looking for her money.

            • froggielegs says:

              I just read another one that talks specifically of this case…

              “Hirsch de Haan says that written guidelines must be distributed to all volunteers and to the community at large. The rules should prohibit carrying a weapon while on neighborhood watch duty.

              “If the volunteer overstepped the guidelines, the HOA is in much better shape legally if the guidelines are in written form,” Hirsch de Haan says.

              Warren says: “Volunteers should be told their only role should be to observe and report. They should be told not to engage in any action other than calling 911 and reporting what they have seen to the local police.”

              If an HOA’s officers want security beyond resident observation and local law enforcement, Warren suggests hiring a professional security firm because a contract would offer greater liability protection for the HOA.”

              Read more: Guard From A Lawsuit Against Your HOA | Bankrate.com http://www.bankrate.com/finance/real-estate/lawsuit-against-hoa.aspx

              That sounds like if the HOA has written policies against carrying a weapon (which they did in their NW pamphlet) then they are not liable. Which will end up meaning the Traydmarks get nothing!

              • wrongonred says:

                To point out, and while this is constantly misreported, George was simply going to Target, he was not engaged in, or actively participating in Neighborhood Watch at the time he was attacked. Surely, they cannot argue (though am sure they will try) that because George was involved in neighborhood watch, that somehow, he, by his involvement, waived his 2nd Amendment right, as well as the legal privilege of CCW from the State of Florida, who issued his certification. I think if George had been walking up and down the street “on patrol” they might have a bit more of a case, but you cannot require universal disarmament at all times to avoid culpability. George was simply going about his daily business, not engaged in acting as a liaison for NW. That is a bit like saying “George Zimmerman was sitting in a friends house watching the Football game, they hear breaking glass, call the police, George shoots the intruder, George is therefore in violation of neighborhood watch policy, and the HOA liable, because he had a firearm.

                • froggielegs says:

                  Exactly. George was not on watch at the time but of course they are going to try and claim that. Even if the HOA wants to go along with the story that he was on watch, they have their proof that they trained all block captains with LE and the rules do say not to carry while on patrol. Either way I think Sybrina is not going to get a dime from the insurance, HOA or home owners. Time to break out the trash cans.

                • jello333 says:

                  And unless I’m mistaken, at no point of the call to dispatch does George mention that he’s a member of Neighborhood Watch, let alone that he’s “on patrol”. Which is just MORE proof that he was NOT acting under any “official capacity”.

                  • DK says:

                    I have never heard of an NW being “on patrol”. That’s really not the point of an NW. GZ was recruited to a SPD program involving citizens on patrol and he declined.

              • ctdar says:

                And as per NW guidelines, GZ was doing exactly what 911 operator requested, to observe & report. when he went out to check address the operator told him didn’t need to do that & on his return to car when TM struck.
                GZ did not approach TM, GZ was the one ambushed, sucker punched & beaten, that’s when the incident turned to SYG case
                why again are we doing OMoneys job??? Case is so straightforward it’s sickening how GZ civil rights are being abused.

                • jello333 says:

                  Two statements by the dispatcher we’re gonna be hearing over and over once this goes to trial (or SYG hearing): “Alright, just let me know if this guy does anything else.” And, “He’s running? Which way is he running?”

            • waltherppk says:

              All the different angles in this case are places where litigators could become imaginative about where they could pursue various things. Where the money is found is where they will be going. Everybody will be looking for the deep pocket to pick, on both sides.

            • doodahdaze says:

              If NW are ee’s of anyone it is the Cops. They do not call HOA to report Thugs on the pwowl doing the Crip Skip in the rain.

              • waltherppk says:

                @doodahdaze “Crip Skip In The Rain” …LOL …. Shit he’s running…. er uh wait dispatch …correction on that running …it looks weird like moonwalking… only forward or something I really can’t describe it ….SEND HELP QUICK …..it’s the Crip Skip …..

                • doodahdaze says:

                  If you want it here it is come and get it. Member the part where they dive in a big vat of sewage to get the money? That is the Scheme Team.

                  • waltherppk says:

                    @doodahdaze Sure do. You got it. And that is my reply to the “No justice No Peace” message, I got your justice right here so If you want it here it is, come and get it. Abruptly direct, but I never was much good at turning the other cheek, and as for living by the sword, well we all gotta go sometime… better to die on your feet than live on your knees being intimidated by scumbags. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

                  • WeeWeed says:

                    Come say something – anything – lemme see if I gotz you fixed or not. :)

                • doodahdaze says:

                  Ringo was too funny in that movie. Free Money! Prophetic.

                  • waltherppk says:

                    @WeeWeed Nope it is still filtering every reply I make is awaiting moderation.

                  • WeeWeed says:

                    Cripesake. Try a new variation of your name. I cannot find it – thought it might be in the IP, but ’tis not. Crap. >:(

        • Sounds to me like no-one even within the geographic parameters of a neighborhood watch would want to be involved in a watch if just their association with said watch makes their homeowners policy liable for their actions when just being a citizen and not even during a “shift” as a neighborhood watcher.

          Just my non legal perspective as a homeowner ….. outside of a gated community of course.

          • doodahdaze says:

            It would make insurance out of the question. What a mess. Thugs Rule.

          • boricuafudd says:

            Someone can correct me if I am wrong, after reading the policy a few times the way I take is this,
            In late March as it was becoming evident that GZ might be charged, the management company Leland and the board members got a claims made insurance coverage. As I see it the D&O coverage only covers the board members and management company. If Sybrina sued the HOA and not its board and/or management company the insurance company is not obligated to pay anyway.

            I know some small business owner who buy D&O to protect themselves if their company get sued and they are named as party, they wont lose their homes, etc.

            The fact that this is D&O policy as far as Travellers is concern, means that unless GZ was an employee, hired by one of the officers or managers of the HOA then
            Travellers has no obligation to defend Retreat Lakes, or pay for any claim against Retreat Lakes.

            In other words they got a policy to cover themselves (board members+management) and the Retreat Lakes itself. Nice, HUH

    • Travelers has no duty to defend The Retreat at Twin Lakes in connection with Fulton claim and demand….

      What does that mean? “no duty to defend” ??

      • froggielegs says:

        They are saying that they (Travelers) feel that they do not have to pay this claim. Which is why they want a court to decide.

        I have to wonder though, would Travelers have insured The Retreat at twin Lakes had they known of this shooting? Did the HOA hide that from them?

        • Um, the policy filing says March 30th was the start date. No-Way they were not aware of the shooting on that date. The whole world knew by mid-march…. most certainly they would have known by the end of March even if the HOA never said a peep. :(

          • froggielegs says:

            Well I was just wondering why an insurance company would cover them knowing there was a shooting that a claim could be made on. Seems strange to me which is why I wondered if maybe the HOA got their policy directly from Travelers in Conn. and not in Fl. You would be surprised at how many people out of state still don’t know the name of the place where the shooting took place. They know it was in Sanford Florida but that’s about it.

      • doodahdaze says:

        It means to either pay the claim or defend themselves in court for up to 1 million. It is up to Travelers not the HOA. Travelers has decided there is no coverage for the claim and is asking a judge to verify it. If he does then Tvonista’s will have to sue the homeowners themselves. Through the HOA. If the Schemers win then I think the settlement could be a fee against each unit on a monthly payment. Including any witness who owns a condo. The HOA would have to hire their own lawyer to defend themselves.

      • froggielegs says:

        It also says this….

        Travelers is in doubt of its rights under Policy and by this petition seeks declaration of it’s rights and obligations with respect to the claim and demand made by Fulton upon Travelers and the Retreat at Twin Lakes as a result of the fatal shooting of Martin, and a finding by this Court that under the abve referenced Policy of insurance Travelers has no duty to defend or indemnify The Retreat at Twin lakes in connection with the Fulton claim because coverage is precluded by the above exclusion.

      • waltherppk says:

        no duty to defend means no contractural obligation under the policy

        • boutis says:

          So it was specifically excluded? And any judgement would fall upon the owners which would exclude Zimmerman as he was a renter?

          • arkansasmimi says:

            So if the policy was written on March 30, is it possible that Travlers wrote it specifically that way as a CYA?

      • kathyca says:

        If there is any possibility that Sybrina’s claim is covered under the policy, Travelers would be obligated to provide a defense to the claim for the HOA. Typically, Travelers would hire a separate lawyer to represent the HOA against Sybrina’s claim or eventual lawsuit, or they would reimburse defense costs incurred by defense counsel that the HOA hired on their own.

      • nameofthepen says:

        Sundance, in this link provided by recoverydotgod, it explains to some extent the difference between “Duty to Defend” vs. “Non-duty to Defend”:
        http://www.insurancethoughtleadership.com/index.php/site/claims-management/key-terminology-for-claims-made-policies-for-professional-and-management-li/#axzz22mNaEu88

  12. diwataman says:

    What happens if George get’s off at a SYG hearing? Which probably won’t happen because there are too many butts at stake and might not happen for two years anyway, ugh. Won’t that affect this claim? I’m guessing not since I guess it’s not considered “civil action”, rather just a “claim” on an insurance policy?

    • froggielegs says:

      No it won’t. Sad to say, it was actually a smart move on the Tradymarks part. They could get more money from the HOA than they ever could from George.

  13. Predict Orlando Sentinel Headline…. coming soon.

    Very rich and greedy insurance company seeks to avoid paying poor family under insurance policy technical provisions”….. Devastated Sybrina and Tracy Martin reduced to tears, while eating Ramen Noodles and trying to find any positive outcome in the death of their child….

  14. jsjavascript says:

    How is “Wrongful Employment” relative?

    “Wrongful Employment Act” shall mean actual or alleged:
    Discrimination;
    Harassment;
    Retaliation;
    Wrongful Termination;
    employment-related misrepresentation;
    failure to enforce employment-related policies and procedures relating to any Wrongful Employment Act;
    wrongful discipline;
    wrongful deprivation of career opportunity, wrongful failure or refusal to employ or promote, or wrongful demotion;
    defamation, infliction of emotional distress or mental anquish, humiliation, false imprisonment, or invasion of privacy which arise from the terminating, disciplining, promoting or demoting of an Employee;
    violations of the Family and Medical Leave Act;
    violations of the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act; or
    negligent hiring, evaluation, supervision of others, training, or retention, but only if such act is alleged in connection with a Wrongful Employment Act set forth in 1. through 11. above; brought by or on behalf of any Employees; and committed or allegedly committed by any Insured.

    If this is where they (Crump et el) intend to hang there hat with regard to the HOA. I don’t see it, or am I missing something here?

    • froggielegs says:

      The problem for the HOA lies in the fact that they sent out newsletters telling homeowners if they had a problem to call George. While George was only a volunteer, the HOA used him basically as free security or someone to take care of security needs. Travelers isn’t liable because George was not an actual employee but the HOA is liable because they pretty much told their homeowners to go to him for their needs.

      • doodahdaze says:

        In my opinion it is Tracy Martin who is liable. He left his troublesome juvenile Son unsupervised while he went to the Poobah Convention. The HOA should sue Mr. and Mrs. Martin for the actions of the Tcong.

        • froggielegs says:

          Oh I totally agree and if I were a homeowner there I would do just that! Course I doubt the HOA will just bow down and hand them money. No doubt they will let the Fulton/Martins sue them and air out all the dirty laundry. Especially when a court does decide George was only defending himself against Trayvon attacking him.

          • ftsk420 says:

            The HOA may just fold. They don’t like bad publicity and if they can make it go away they will. I have seen it a million times in the one I live at. But I have never seen a family sue the HOA for someone being killed. There have been a few murders that have happen over the past few years HOA has never been taken to court for it. I have inside knowledge on how HOA work I was a BOD member as was my father and a lot of friends of mine.

            • doodahdaze says:

              This must be a real plus for those selling their condo. What fool would buy one?

              • ftsk420 says:

                Sucker born everyday people get duped all the time into buying into an HOA. HOA and gated communities are like prison.

                • scubachick75 says:

                  That’s so true! I’m the neighborhood outlaw. I didn’t ask for permission to put a swimming pool in or paint my house and my mailbox isn’t stained to the right shade of brown. I’m such a naughty scuba chick…somebody spank me ;-)

        • bdevil94 says:

          What happens when the Scheme Team goes after the HOA and owners for $$$??? That would include people like Brandi, what’s her face crazy lady who changed her story (it’s early – I can’t think of her name right now), the kid walking the dog and his mom, etc. Do you think they’re going to stick to ‘the script’ when Team Skittles is coming after them for $$$??? Maybe that would be enough motivation for them to change their stories back to the TRUTH!!!

          • dizzymissl says:

            Unfortunately, a lot of those folks are renters. Is there a way to find out who rents and who owns?

            • ftsk420 says:

              There is paper work you can get to find out who the homeowners are. I believe you have to go to the county office for it. The HOA I’m in I happen to have the paper work for that lists all the homeowners. I have read into Retreat and other communities in FL and the owners seem to be the builders themselves. One community I looked into Leland management owned all the homes had 2 votes per house and controlled the community. It could be this way in Retreat and Leland could be covering their ass.

          • minpin06 says:

            Couldn’t they just move out of the Retreat and then avoid the monthly fee for the liability?

          • doodahdaze says:

            Don’t forget Cutcher. The PC Lesbo shooting herself in the foot. Wonder if her story will change once again. And Brown, the mom who changed her kids story.

        • ftsk420 says:

          I wonder is Brandi was a member in good standing. Meaning if all her dues were paid up to date.

      • froggielegs says:

        Now we know why they needed to have one of the last HOA Newsletters prior to the shooting. They had this planned all along.

      • minpin06 says:

        No one at the Retreat had called George about any problems that night. I think that would have to be separated from George simply getting into his vehicle, as a private citizen, going to the store, when he sees a suspicious person, and calls 911. No other resident was involved in George’s activities that night.

        If someone called George, and claimed that there was a very suspicious person lurking about, looking in their windows, or whatever, and George responded to the call, and the shooting incident happend, George and the HOA could be responsible because it would then be clear that he was acting as a NW person. Because George signed up for the NW program, he didn’t sign up for 24/7 service, he still had his rights as a private citizen, and he didn’t give up his CC rights because he became a NW volunteer.

  15. minpin06 says:

    I know nothing about HOA insurance polices, but, wouldn’t it make a difference if Trayvon was actually breaking any laws when he was shot. The preliminary local tox report showed that he did in fact have THC in his system. The full tox report has not been released to the public. If the cops arrived while TM was in the process of beating on George, would he have been arrested for at least assault and battery against GZ who was a resident at RTL. If TM was in the process of committing crime/s, and was shot while commiting those crimes, wouldn’t that make the insurance company not liable for damages brought on by his own actions?

    I also remember reading that officer Dorival, the officer in charge of the NW program at the Retreat, had questioned what kind of checks were being done on people who were renting condo’s at the Retreat, background checks, credit checks etc. Didn’t Brandy Green have a criminal record? Wasn’t there someone staying at Brandy Green’s who was arrested for 25 lbs. of pot or something?

    • waltherppk says:

      Yeah and that is strange because wasn’t Brandi Green a law enforcement officer, a probation or parole officer ? Ahhh the plot thickens. That is why I thought there was the redaction about Brandi Green in the discovery material because it is a felony to disclose the home address of agents of the state for security reasons. You see one of their former business clients may want to pay them a visit to do some reminiscing, you know talk about the good old days and such when they were such good pals. Big slobbery smooch for Brandi got yo badge on ya sugga ?

      • waltherppk says:

        Brandi Green being a law enforcement officer is something I have seen reported more than once. Possibly she is a juvenile detention correctional officer or a juvenile probation officer working for Department of Juvenile Justice. There is an implication here if that is true that there may be an “official business” connection between Brand Green and Trayvon Martin due to the “school suspension” and those “school records” were sealed for a reason the reason being that the records show negative character and conduct issues involving Trayvon Martin which run counter to the star student having a bright future narrative and the records likely show a “problem teenager” having significant issues. O’Mara should subpoena and motion to have those school records unsealed, to show drug related issues and/or propensity to violence or other thug related behaviors, to help deconstruct the false narrative about the innocent child victim, the poor little boy propaganda story used to villify George Zimmerman as a baby killer.
        See the post about halfway down the page linked post #18366 July 5 by the westerner.
        http://www.topix.com/forum/city/interlachen-fl/TVEJ9RENE6T050LC5/p839
        Also according to Reuters, Natalie Jackson the attorney is a former Naval Intelligence Officer and this should be factored into the big picture. Look a little over halfway down the page in the Reuters article linked to find the reference to Naval Intelligence and Natalie Jackson in the April 3, 2012 Reuters article
        http://www.topix.com/forum/city/interlachen-fl/TVEJ9RENE6T050LC5/p839
        Serino has an unknown Dept. of Defense background predating or possibly paralelling law enforcement duty. Anyway these collateral information of interest type things may help analysis of events and the types of associations of persons not fully known could help make sense of things about which we don’t know the whole story.

        • arkansasmimi says:

          This may be way of mark, but here goes (not very good at explaining) : Since BG worked for Juvie Justice, could it be that possibly that when he got suspended from school (and those records are sealed) but that TM may have been some how released to BG care? Hope you understand what I am trying to say. If so this would/could def be another reason Pfft we havent heard or seen BG lately. TIA

        • margegunderson says:

          Brandy -Green is basically a jail guard. She works with juveniles. She has no connection to anything except Alicia’s husband. lol

          • waltherppk says:

            @margegunders A jailer huh okay, so that rules out any supervisory connection with Trayvon Martin beyond his being a guest at ther house. That still leaves odd the matter of the former roommate busted for excess of 25 pounds of pot. THC positive in the blood of the deceased Trayvon Martin. And the two minors left there without adult supervision at the Green residence while Green and Martin went to the masonic lodge convention. The former roommate was also a lodge member. Nothing interesting to find here, not a thing out of the ordinary. Riiiight LOL you betcha.

    • doodahdaze says:

      The original charge that the Police sought was wrongful killing while trying to prevent a felony. The felon was Tcong according to the Police.

    • ftsk420 says:

      I think it would make a difference. I don’t know how this community works but if it’s like mine Trayvon would have needed a pass to be at the clubhouse. No pass would be trespassing. If Brandi wasn’t up on her dues then none of them would be allowed at the club house. I also read in Retreats newsletter how the gates were open because Leland management was doing construction,

      • jimrtex says:

        The original developer was Engle Homes, which was owned by a Greek company that went (is going) bankrupt in a very big way (several $100 million in liabilities). Just before they declared bankruptcy they got a big loan from a bunch of banks, putting up all their unbuilt lots and unsold homes as collateral. The banks said we’re first in line, to bad for all the other creditors, nothing to pay you with. There was the a ruling that the banks should have known that the company was going to go under, and that there deal was fraudulent. This is still being litigated.

        Engle had finished all but 5 buildings. The trustee of the carcass of Engle, sold the lots to Lennart (not Leland) which built out the final 5 buildings in 2010 and 2011. These are the 2 buildings on the west side of Twin Trees south of the clubhouse; and the 3 buildings on the north side of Retreat View Circle east of the clubhouse. If you look at the Google Map that Zimmerman marked his movements on (page 20 of 29 PDF) it doesn’t have these five buildings. The current Google Maps image (1/3/2012) must have been put online some time after the shooting.

        Some of the police reports for RTL in 2011, were not burglaries, but theft of construction materials (copper wire) from Lennart. Lennart finished up late last year. Apparently during the day, while construction was going on, the gate was open for contractors (and others) .

  16. froggielegs says:

    LOL I think Sundance gave Jeff Weenie a story. He Tweeted this…

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS
    @coreshift The HOA’s insurer wants clarification about liability from a federal court. My story will be online soon.

    Sorry Weenie boy you’ve been out-scooped LOL

    • doodahdaze says:

      Now up on Drudge Treycong seek money from Florida State “Victims” fund. Good Grief. They are really playing it up.

      • froggielegs says:

        “ORLANDO, Fla. — Trayvon Martin’s mother has asked for an undisclosed amount of money from a state fund set up to help crime victims with things like funeral expenses and counseling, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

        The documents, obtained through a public records request, show Sybrina Fulton applied for the compensation benefits after her son was fatally shot last February by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. It was not immediately clear how Martin’s family would use the money.

        The state Attorney General’s Office, which administers the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund, refused to disclose the sum sought by Fulton and her former husband, Tracy Martin. Payouts can reach $30,000.

        Zimmerman, 28, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and says he shot the 17-year-old in self-defense under Florida’s “stand your ground” law. The law allows people to use deadly force, rather than retreat, if they believe their lives are in danger. He is free on $1 million bond as he awaits trial. Zimmerman wasn’t charged until 44 days after Martin’s death, and in those weeks protesters accused the Sanford police department of being racist and botching the investigation.

        In a March 29 letter, a claims analyst with the Attorney General’s Office notified Fulton that she had been deemed eligible for the compensation benefits. However, no check had been issued to Martin’s parents as of early August.

        Notes taken by a victims’ advocate who works for the State Attorney’s Office in Sanford show that Tracy Martin had a life insurance policy through his employer that paid for most of the expenses incurred from Trayvon Martin’s death. Despite that, Tracy Martin still had out-of-pocket expenses of $1,300, according to the notes in the records obtained by the AP.

        The Attorney General’s Office paid out more than $25 million in the 2010-11 fiscal year to more than 16,000 compensation claims.

        Money for the fund comes from court fees assessed on offenders, as well as other sources. Applicants can be reimbursed for lost wages, funeral expenses, medical expenses and mental health counseling.

        Fulton’s friend filed the initial application on her behalf as a favor, but Fulton hasn’t had time to fill out the paperwork needed to process the claim, said Ben Crump, an attorney for Martin’s parents. She didn’t want to disclose how much she was applying for and what expenses the money would cover, Crump said.

        “She has a big stack of papers at her house,” Crump said. “I’m going to encourage her to fill it out.”

        A hearing on the scheduling of Zimmerman’s trial is set for later this week.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trayvon-martins-parents-seek-undisclosed-sum-of-money-from-state-of-fla-victims-fund/2012/08/06/331f1182-dfd9-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html

        • 2ntense says:

          Really? Like they didn’t get enough money from the TrayTour?

        • ytz4mee says:

          “In a March 29 letter, a claims analyst with the Attorney General’s Office notified Fulton that she had been deemed eligible for the compensation benefits. However, no check had been issued to Martin’s parents as of early August.”

          Hmmm. This bears watching.

          • doodahdaze says:

            Her son may be the criminal and Zimmerman and family the victims. They should file a claim. There is more evidence in their favor.

        • jello333 says:

          God, I get so SICK of this:

          “Zimmerman, 28, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and says he shot the 17-year-old in self-defense under Florida’s ‘stand your ground’ law.”

          Although there likely will be a SYG hearing, George does NOT need that defense. All he needs is your standard, centuries-old, nearly universally-recognized SELF DEFENSE. George is NOT relying on SYG!

      • scubachick75 says:

        Just the simple fact that Trayvon had drugs in his system should eliminate any “victim” funding.

    • ftsk420 says:

      They always seem to get scooped. If this was my site I would put a disclaimer stating you will be sued if you copy or paste anything from this site. I ran a site for homeowners for an HOA and the BOD would always copy and print stuff from the site or copy and paste somewhere else. Till I put a disclaimer and it all stopped.

  17. arkansasmimi says:

    Froggie Legs, LOL, just got a text from OS LOL SD THE BOMB!
    BREAKING NEWS: 12 MIN AGO: AUG 6 2012
    Trayvon Martin family’s HOA insurance claim lands in federal court
    Updated: 12 minutes ago
    Recent federal court filings show Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, has filed a claim against an insurance company for the Retreat at Twin Lakes homeowners association in her 17-year-old son’s death.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/

    • froggielegs says:

      LOL He is such a weenie really he is. Day late and a dollar short Weenie Boy! Must suck to be out-scooped by a blogger SCHWING!!!! LOL

      • woohoowee says:

        What a great post for the first read of the day:-)

        Out-scooped is spot on Froggielegs! LOL! Out-scooped again and again…LMBO!

        I’ll say it again: SD and TreeHouse ROCK!

      • nameofthepen says:

        “out-scooped by a blogger SCHWING!!!!”

        Obviously Sundance has a much bigger e-SCHWONG!! :D

    • boutis says:

      Crump and company immediately went in with this comment:
      connemara at 9:08 AM August 6, 2012
      If Zimmerman was indeed acting as Neighborhood Watch under the auspices and with the approval of the Homeowners Association, which their minutes will show, then they should be able to be held liable.

      They were tipped off that the press now had to cover it since it was in this blog. LOL

      • doodahdaze says:

        Notice he does not mention Travelers. They are going to sue the witnesses.

      • ytz4mee says:

        “should be able”.
        Even Crumpster knows enough not to claim they “are”.
        The extortion by fear of the unknown continues.

      • ftsk420 says:

        It’s to hard to prove if he was acting as NW watch which we all know he wasn’t.

        • boricuafudd says:

          There’s the catch, GZ and maybe SZ can corroborate that, are the ones that said GZ was not on NM duty. Which is why so much has been done to destroy their credibility. Unless GZ has some outside corroboration, not family this could be a problem.

          • jello333 says:

            Corroboration right there on George’s call to the police dispatcher. Never does he mention that he’s a part of NW, let alone that he’s currently “on duty” or “on patrol”.

  18. chopp5 says:

    And where is that final tox report, already? Normally, I am not conspiratorial minded but the fact that they have not released it especially after Lester ordering them to do so back in June, says a lot. How come all the big media outlets who are always suing for access to discovery aren’t doing so in regards to the tox report?

  19. ytz4mee says:

    Anyone else notice that this is becoming “news” before the election? When will the Judge rule on Traveler’s motion for Declatory Judgment? If the Trashcan Tour is denied, it will be exploited as an opportunity to gin up fauxrage.

  20. arkansasmimi says:

    Trayvon Martin family’s HOA insurance claim lands in federal court
    Comments 1 1
    By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

    11:05 a.m. EDT, August 6, 2012
    Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the teen’s family, said that the Martins are investigating possible claims with “all the insurance companies that might be applicable” and was seeking to determine “whatever the insurance limits were.”

    “It’s our job, as lawyers, to make sure that we protect our client’s interest,” Crump said. He said that while Fulton is “trying to get justice for her son in the criminal courts,” the family is also pursuing claims against “entities that we believe are also accountable.” http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/os-trayvon-martin-insurance-claim-20120806,0,362155.story

    • ctdar says:

      I find it hard to believe that any insurance would settle before a trial or all facts are known. Crump & co, every insurance company has investigators/adjusters wonder what they find out can be legally “sealed”. Shine the light!!

      • scubachick75 says:

        I read he pulled it off in another one of his cases. I can’t remember which one. I want to say it was Lee but I will try to find it.

    • doodahdaze says:

      He had to wait until his master…Crump…told him what to say. What a joke that guy is.

  21. Mikado Cat says:

    Why was the claim filed when it was?
    Are there potentially other claims that have been filed we don’t know about?
    Are there other insurers of the HOA that claims may have been made at?

    I don’t think the HOA was ever a deep pockets target, more of a just one of the cows in line to milk.

    Regards Crump being tipped to the story, some minion of his must give him a report of all the blogs several times a day.

  22. I wonder if the insurance company will fight a payout even if a judge rules they are responsible. It could be good if it goes to court. As others have pointed out the insurance company won’t pull any punches and the real Trayvon might be revealed.

    • ytz4mee says:

      If a new policy was written in March after the incident, and it is not a policy renewal, then it is pretty difficult to make a claim against an incident which pre-dated the policy. You can’t buy “retroactive insurance”.

      However, this is helpful in that it slows down the Trashcan Extortion Hunt, and opens up the Scheme Team to expensive, time-consuming and revealing Discovery and Examination.

      Yes, it has *always* been about the money. Ju$tice with dollar signs.

  23. flaladybug says:

    It’s becoming very apparent that the Scheme Team’s strategy is to sue EVERYONE and see what sticks…..but do it quickly before the TRUTH takes us all down!!!!

  24. arkansasmimi says:

    Found TRAYDAD

    Tracy Martin ‏@BTraymartin9
    Work work work…..
    from Miami Beach, FLReply
    Map data ©2012 Google – Terms of Use

    from Miami Beach
    Florida, US
    9:33 AM – 6 Aug 12via Twitter for Android · Details
    2h Tracy Martin ‏@BTraymartin9
    First day back at whewwwwww

    • froggielegs says:

      So TraydDaddy goes back to work to earn a living while TraydMommy tries to suck as much money from others as she can huh?

    • I thought both Tracy and Sybrina worked for the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

      • ctdar says:

        In this case I’d give Oblama credit for that business

      • ytz4mee says:

        That was the plan. The “Trayvon Martin Foundation” clearly elucidates that donations are not tax-deductible, and all of the money is for the benefit of the Trashcan parental duo. The plan, according to the Trashcan Duo while on the Traydemarke Exploitation tour in the UK was to fund the Foundation so both could continue to kick back, travel, “discuss conflict resolution” (ha!) while collecting a six figure salary plus expenses, each. Since Traydemarke Trashcan daddy is back at work, I am guessing that didn’t work out. So sad.

        • there’s that, plus really how long do you think he could actually continue to spend time with the person he divorced in the first place?

          Maybe Traydaddy is just done with faux-TrayMom show and the 1/2 sibling that now shares his last name but is not the result of his sperm donation…… it was only a matter of time before the shere proximity thing became an issue. Besides he prolly misses the opportunity to visit the strip clubs and such….

          Sybrina can go it alone as she was prolly the custodial parent to Traythug and all “legal” stuff requires Mrs. Trashcan not him.

          His value has been served now that actual filings will only payout to the legal guardian.

          • ytz4mee says:

            I think Trashcan Mom’$ donated paid leave runs out at end of Sept. Plus, my guess Crump is getting impatient with all the out of pocket expenses he’s incurred with no incoming. I’m sure the extortion scheme provided for payouts by now, checks in bank, etc. This is NOT going according to the Template perfected by Crump and BONDI.

            • 22tula says:

              I agree sundance. I think Tracy Martin was ready to bolt in Little Rock, AR.

            • jello333 says:

              “This Crump? Hi, it Dee Dee. I ain’t got a check yet. Why? You always be tellin’ me mo money comin’ later. Still no money, Crump! Wuzzup? My rememberin’ ain’t much good, you know that. Only cash money gonna hep me remember all tha things you want me to. Right? I already be forgettin’ a bunch. What’dya say, cuz?”

          • minpin06 says:

            How did Sybrina get to be the guardian, or actually the “personal representative of Trayvon’s estate”? What 17 year old has a will that names the personal representative (executor) of their estate. Would it be a next of kin thing? Wouldn’t Tracy have equal rights as the father? I wonder how and why Tracy was cut out of the control of the “estate.” Wasn’t Tracy the one that hired the whole Scheme team to begin with? Just curious because of the trashcan donations, and the website donations. It seems Sybrina has control of everything.

            • doodahdaze says:

              Maybe he is trying to escape liability. He wants to become lawsuit proof.

              • Sharon says:

                That’s the feeling I’ve had for a few weeks–I wonder if it just began to dawn on him that he was mayhaps just being used, and working for a living started to have a certain attraction for him again. Normal living, getting a paycheck, and not being afraid to answer the door has a certain amount of things to recommend it. Even though he’s a screwed up goofball in anybody’s world, maybe even Mr. Martin started to smell a skunk. He’s figured out enough that he can no longer claim ignorance?

          • boricuafudd says:

            One other thing is that a singe mom cast a more sympathetic image. Even after removing the tattoo his escapades, married to Alicia, schtupping Brandi, etc does not leave the greatest of impressions. Out of sight, out of mind like Alicia, Brandy and anyone else that can destroy or mar the image they have created.

        • There are actually at least two donation sites. One is a trust to benefit the family and another is the foundation.

          http://wearetrayvonmartin.com/index.php/component/content/article?id=10

          http://justicetm.org/donations/

      • doodahdaze says:

        Going back to work for her means no work. She works as a Bureaucrat. Dong what they do. Nothing.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      LMBO! ummm been back to work just a few hrs and tweeting away~ Isnt he a truckdriver ?!
      Tracy Martin ‏@BTraymartin9 2 min ago

      First day back at it, not bad but im beat lol, gotta get back in shape real quick

      • Reminds me of that Dave Chappelle skit about the reparations where Chapellle buys a truckload of cigs with his reparations monies. I can see Tracy hanging out the window with a trashcan saying :”I’m RICH BITCH”

  25. boutis says:

    Next will be the PR campaign against the insurers. They were just supposed to settle, none of this federal court business to slow down the cash flow. If Zimmerman just would have taken a plea deal all of the money would be paid out by now. Travelers is awaiting a SYG hearing for dismissal. They are also pointing out that their policy doesn’t cover this, and they took it out of the corrupt state court system of Florida and jumped it to the federal level to quash the quid pro quo. Asking for legal expenses is a nice touch which implies it is a trash suit. This is very bad news because if Travelers does it all of the insurers will follow. Travelers is not insuring for civil rights violations which is what Crump does. Claiming Zimmerman was a unpaid employee just because he lived there is a road the federal courts will not want to follow. The Florida courts would write new law for this but no one else will. Crump has to be looking at how much he has already invested into this case, how much more it is going to cost, and diminishing returns. Too bad, so sad.

    • johngalt90210 says:

      “none of this federal court business to slow down the cash flow”

      Cash flow might go the other way if they have to hire lawyers capable of litigating complex insurance matters in federal court.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Yep, this is well above Crumpster’s limited abilities as an attorney. He’s going to have to shell out big bucks to counsel to defend if he wants to pursue.

    • johngalt90210 says:

      “they took it out of the corrupt state court system of Florida”

      I would not be surprised if they tried to get the insurance DJ action into the state court system, e.g. Fulton sues HOA & Travelers, or files a state law DJ action against Travelers and moves to dismiss or remove federal case in view of discretionary 28 USC 2201 jurisdiction, predominate questions of state law and pending state action. I dunno if that would work or not, just speculating. Can’t imagine they like the idea of litigating an insurance contract claim before a federal judge.

      Different jurisdiction, but shows what I’m talking about.

      http://archive.ca9.uscourts.gov/coa/newopinions.nsf/F2F9C5705DC1D68D88256C050080B5B0/$file/0116294.pdf?openelement

      • doodahdaze says:

        I think State Courts are only up to 75k. Over that is Federal Court.

        • johngalt90210 says:

          No, diversity jurisdiction for federal courts is $75,000 and up. State courts can go higher than $75,000, depending on the court. Many county courts are restricted to some upper limit, I dunno what the deal is in Florida. Diversity jurisdiction is used to get into federal court where there is not jurisdiction pursuant to a federal statute.

          The point is that DJ action jurisdiction pursuant to 28 US 2201 is not mandatory for insurance contract claims (which do not arise from a federal statute), it is up to the discretion of the court whether to accept jurisdiction, which is why you see many DJ cases under 28 USC 2201 filed based upon a mandatory federal question (a federal statute is the basis for the underlying claim) jurisdiction, e.g. patent cases.

          I suspect that Crump & Crew will be scrambling to try to get into state court.

          http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=insurance&url=/supct/html/94-562.ZS.html

          • doodahdaze says:

            I thought it was about citizenship and parties in different states.

            • Patriot Dreamer says:

              Contract law issues are usually handled by state courts. There is no $75,000 limit – unless the state legislature sets one. In order to get a case like this into federal court, there has to be diversity of citizenship between the parties and the amount in controversy must be more than $75,000.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_jurisdiction

              • doodahdaze says:

                I see. So they have the option to try and get Federal if it is over 75K. Hope it works.

                • nameofthepen says:

                  Doodahdaze – I *think* the amount is not the issue. It’s the jurisdiction thingy.

                  In the document posted by USAnaturalBorn, it states up front that A) “Travelers is and was a Connecticut Corporation…”, and B) “The Retreat at Twin Lakes HOA, Inc…..is and was a Florida…corporation…”
                  http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137336/Petition-for-Declaratory-Relief

                  • doodahdaze says:

                    That is what I thought. Parties in other states or countries, plus the amount over 75k = jurisdiction. But i guess the lawyer has to request it. I don’t think less than 75k can go Fed. I hope that Sybrina has to fork over the dough.

                  • ytz4mee says:

                    That is how I read it. They took great pains to allege they are domiciled in CT and The Retreat and Sybrina are domiciled in FL. Found it interesting that they seek to remain in the Middle Florida court, are not seeking a change of venue based on disputed jurisdiction.

                    Molasses.

                  • jello333 says:

                    And I imagine any of the Twin Lakes contracts state that civil suits are handled under Florida law, while any Travelers Insurance contracts state that civil suits are handled under Connecticut law. **Conflict** That, all by itself, would probably be enough to dump this into Federal court jurisdiction.

      • ytz4mee says:

        It also negates a quick settlement, allowing them to move on to their next victim in their blood money quest. If Traveler’s had paid, they would approach the next victim in line and state so. If they lose, it makes further shakedown difficult if not impossible. Filing in Federal Court immediately makes everything work at the speed of molasses. Traveler’s is willing to play the waiting game, then. Helps put the rest of the intended victims on notice as well. Bad day for the Trashcan Trail of Tears.

        • boricuafudd says:

          My lawyer says that there are 2 issues. One Travelers is establishing that it should be seen in Federal Court due to diversity. The second issue is that it seems to him that the reason for liability is based on Federal Statues and as such in their opinion is not covered by the policy.

      • kathyca says:

        just curious, is this your practice area JG? I agree its possible, but I don’t know who all is involved on Sybrina’s end. Not sure Crump has that level of sophistication in that area on his own, but who knows. It’s not like he’s not used to shaking down insurers.

        I’ll be watching to see if the complaint is served. Travelers likely “first filed” to make the best argument for preserving Fed jurisdiction and/or as a settlement tool, I think.

        • johngalt90210 says:

          “is this your practice area JG?”

          Insurance mumbo jumbo? eeeewwwwwwww, no.

        • ytz4mee says:

          I don’t think they are intending to settle. I would like to believe that they are keenly aware that the Team Scheme is strapped for cash – they have incurred huge out of pocket expenses, with minimal incoming. The big $$ is in the shakedowns of insurance companies and the State. Travelers is smart enough to know they can win the war of legal attrition.

          • doodahdaze says:

            I only hope the judge awards Travelers the cost they have incurred.

            • See the thing of it is,….. if the scheme team just filed a claim and the insurance co denied, there would be no loss, or costs to Travelers…… That’s what makes one think there was a denial of coverage, and then some strongly worded response from the scheme team threatening litigation….. hence Travelers gets out ahead of it and anticipates legal cost reimbursement.

              Some kind of action by the scheme team has to have taken place, or be taking place, in order for Travelers to incur a cost to legally affirm their position.

              does that make sense?

              • doodahdaze says:

                Yes, that would be SOP. First a request for the policy coverage. Then a demand letter, with threat of a lawsuit. This is Travelers response. A present dropped down Crumps chimney.

              • arkansasmimi says:

                +1

              • kathyca says:

                If Sybrina filed a claim and Travelers simply denied, they would be in a world of hurt if it turned out they are wrong. I’m sure they know who they’re dealing with in terms of Crump being the first person who would bring a bad faith lawsuit for a “wrongful” denial. Travelers has sued to pre-empt that possibility, imo. If they win the declaratory judgment action on summary judgment, there is relatively minimal cost and the potential for ugly bad faith litigation and the potential for punitive damages and a judgment against Travelers in excess of the policy limits is completely avoided. It makes far more sense, imo, for Travelers to pursue this course than to simply deny in these circumstances. Particularly since it looks like their defense is very strong. Hope that makes sense in my ESL style lol

              • jello333 says:

                That’s what I think too. Even though the words “threat” or “extortion”, etc aren’t mentioned in the filing, that doesn’t mean Travelers wasn’t facing that from Team Crump. I bet they were. And I think what Travelers is doing here is basically a warning to Crump: “If you’re smart, you’ll drop this right now. If not, it’s YOU who’ll eventually be paying out the big money…. to US!”

          • kathyca says:

            It seems that Travelers has a very strong case and I think that’s what the DJ is intended to show Crump and Co. Travelers is serious about its policy defenses and will not be extorted. Doesn’t mean Travelers won’t consider a “nuisance value” or “litigation cost” type settlement, though. Usually, but not always, it’s about bean counting at that level.jmo

            • ytz4mee says:

              Agreed, however, given the highly politicized nature of this case, Travelers must be aware than any cursory settlement, no matter how small, is chum in the waters to these folks, and opens up all Insurers to a slew of similar nuisance suits from the BGI. Daralene Jones is writing about a security guard who chased a youth and he ran into traffic. The parents are suing for $20 Mil. I am holding out hope that Travelers holds firm, and defends vigorously with an eye to swatting down future nuisance/predatory litigation from BGI.

              • kathyca says:

                “I am holding out hope that Travelers holds firm, and defends vigorously with an eye to swatting down future nuisance/predatory litigation from BGI.”

                Me, too. But I’m probably the most cynical person I know :/

    • aoifecrane says:

      I don’t know that the Federal system is less corrupt than Florida state. Remember who heads that up….

  26. knuckledragingwino says:

    Let me in!

  27. ytz4mee says:

    From the FL Attorney General’s website under “Crime Victim Services” :

    The Florida Attorney General’s Division of Victim Services not only serves as an advocate for crime victims and victims’ rights, it also administers a compensation program to ensure financial assistance for innocent victims of crime. As part of its responsibility, the division also notifies victims of the status of any appellate decisions regarding their cases.

    http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/1c7376f380d0704c85256cc6004b8ed3!OpenDocument

    How did the Attorney General determine that Trayvon Martin was the “innocent victim of a crime”.
    Isn’t that the point of this prosecution …. that the facts of Trayvon’s “innocence” in all of this are hotly contested?

    • doodahdaze says:

      I thought he pled not guilty. And has not been convicted. Zimmerman is the victim. He should file a claim.

    • woohoowee says:

      Good question. And if I’m reading the dates correctly, it was determined before the bogus charges were brought against GZ.

      (brings Corey’s ridiculous presser with (paraphrasing) V for victim to mind.)

    • diwataman says:

      I looked but I didn’t see the Racial Grievance Industry under the Fraud and Scams section.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Is there a process for citizens to file a complaint for “fraud, waste and abuse” in the State of FL, similar to the Fed Gov, if the AG’s office improperly distributes funds?
        How does Pam Bondi intend to defend this decision if a court determines GZ was the victim of assault and battery, therefore, negating the construct that TM was the “innocent victim of a crime”. Is there a section for payment to “non-innocent perpetrators of crime if black?”… because I didn’t see THAT on the website, either.

  28. arkansasmimi says:

    ROFL~ Wonder if her QUESTIONS will be “how did I not get the memo~ I got OUT SCOOPED BY THE TREEHOUSE!!!”
    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 17 min ago
    I’m in #Sanford. Patiently waiting to get answers to my questions for our story tonight at 6

  29. Someone send this link to @YancyFaith on Twitter – she’s trying to understand:
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/08/03/the-deception-and-protection-in-orlando-understanding-the-adversity-against-george-zimmerman/

    Also notify her that Michael Herring’s dad preceeded Norm Wolfinger in Seminole County.

  30. thefirstab says:

    Someone up thread mentioned the possibility of travelers having an investigator on this claim. For a millionn dollar potential payout, I would hope so! That guy should also be “demanding” the complete tox report, IMO that is key in finding out who really is the victim – GZ.
    Federal court.- oh yea!

    • Sharon says:

      Like Ytz says above….everything just got reduced to the flow of molasses. That being the case, there’s no way that Crump and Company saw this coming: “Federal court.-oh yea!” indeed.

      Travelers may have deep pockets in claimant’s view. They also have deep pockets in terms of protecting their own interests.

      • doodahdaze says:

        They are asking to be reimbursed for their costs. If the judge agrees Sabrina will have to fork over her trash can slam money. :)

        • ytz4mee says:

          You really have to see the video from April 11th at the Corey presser, when she announces the 2nd Degree charges. Crump is literally licking his lips and slapping his thighs in absolute glee and delight. It is must-watch, but also beyond disgusting.

          As SD has stated from the beginning, this has always been about the MONEY for Sybrina. Others have other Agendas: race conflict, roll back of 2nd Amendment rights, repeal of SYG and the liability shield it proffers, etc.

          But Trashcan Momma? Show me the cash.

  31. arkansasmimi says:

    Wasnt it W11 that was a board member on the HOA?

  32. sunnydaze77 says:

    Lovin it, so far Team Skittles has gotten their way with just about all of their “demands” I would have liked to have seen their faces when they heard words similar to … Um..NO not so fast.. now wait just a minute.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Shoot I would have like to have seen the faces on A BUNCH of folks this morning when the found out that The Tree House had the info and had been talking about it for HOURS! LMBO! I slept in and when I got the text alert from OS, I came here to post and low and behold I really did laugh out loud! Bet there were some not so nice words spewed early this Monday morning ;)

    • Sharon says:

      when they heard “.NO not so fast.. now wait just a minute.” ….from The Travelers yet!

    • ctdar says:

      How bout “hold the f$ck right there”

  33. arkansasmimi says:

    rayvon Martin’s Parents Seek Money From Fla. Fund
    By MIKE SCHNEIDER Associated Press
    ORLANDO, Fla. August 6, 2012 (AP)
    Snippet:
    In a March 29 letter, a claims analyst with the Attorney General’s Office notified Fulton that she had been deemed eligible for the compensation benefits. However, no check had been issued to Martin’s parents as of early August.

    Notes taken by a victims’ advocate who works for the State Attorney’s Office in Sanford show that Tracy Martin had a life insurance policy through his employer that paid for most of the expenses incurred from Trayvon Martin’s death. Despite that, Tracy Martin still had out-of-pocket expenses of $1,300, according to the notes in the records obtained by the AP.

    The Attorney General’s Office paid out more than $25 million in the 2010-11 fiscal year to more than 16,000 compensation claims.

    Money for the fund comes from court fees assessed on offenders, as well as other sources. Applicants can be reimbursed for lost wages, funeral expenses, medical expenses and mental health counseling.

    Fulton’s friend filed the initial application on her behalf as a favor, but Fulton hasn’t had time to fill out the paperwork needed to process the claim, said Ben Crump, an attorney for Martin’s parents. She didn’t want to disclose how much she was applying for and what expenses the money would cover, Crump said.

    “She has a big stack of papers at her house,” Crump said. “I’m going to encourage her to fill it out.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trayvon-martins-parents-seek-money-fla-fund-16939320

  34. brocahontas says:

    So…are the break ins down in Twin Lakes? Just curious.

  35. aoifecrane says:

    Someone answer this for me. Is Ms. Egg Donor on her own with this claim or is Mr. Sperm Donor part of this claim? Seems they were all so unified in their greed…er grief and from the look of this she’s doing this on her own. Maybe the trashcans aren’t filling up fast enough to assuage her greed…er grief anymore. On the bright side, as they show their greedy hands there should be some info to glean from this paperwork.

    • kathyca says:

      It certainly seems that she is on her own since she is the only individual claimant named. Which is very interesting, imo. Great point. We’ve also noticed that today Tracy has gone back to work, which tells me he’s not expecting a windfall any time soon. Which makes me wonder about the custody and parentage situation and/or some other reason why Tracy would not be asserting these claims as well as Sybrina. If he is Trayvon’s legal parent he would be entitled to just as much as Sybrina is. Hmm…I’m gonna haveta think on that one.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Maybe Sybrina will sue Tracy for not supervising Tcong. That would be rich. Then Jackson could sue Crump and Crump sue Julison.

        • kathyca says:

          That’s one of the thoughts that crossed my mind.

          • doodahdaze says:

            They need to recruit Grouch Marx to replace Lester. This is getting Zany. The next witness may be Zanny the Nannie for the Crumpsters.

            • Omar says:

              ROFL…..No, next, Morgan & Morgan will sue the Martins for defamation of Zenaida Gonzales. After all, everyone knows she is a nanny, and nannies watch kids and TM was a “little kid” who was shot by a white hispanic who speaks spanish and she speaks spanish too, thereby linking her to GZ. (I know, I know……but Morgan & Morgan are known to spin lawsuits out of dingleberries!!!)

      • ctdar says:

        Wasn’t Tracy arrested @ age 18 or so for robbery or have I mixed him up. If true maybe his criminal history weighs in on why he is not listed on suit.

      • yankeeintx says:

        It is not uncommon for some males in this segment of society to relinquish parental rights. This frees them from the responsibility of child support, while giving the mother access to more benefits. SF did work, but there is an advantage to “head of household” and claiming the child for tax benefits also. When you consider that it is not uncommon for the men to have more than one child with more than one woman, the chances of actually receiving child support, and the amount is quite low. (Now, it is even more common for mothers to not even list a fathers name on the birth certificate.) Sad, but true.

  36. nameofthepen says:

    Oh, man! The whole Treehouse “Nope!-Not-On-OUR-Watch-You-Don’t!” saga has been amazing, and fascinating beyond belief.

    Today’s post has been really, REALLY something! LOL. I came here intending to scan briefly, update myself, and leave.

    I’ve been here reading, studying, thinking, learning, for the last THREE HOURS.

    You guys are amazing. Truly amazing. Thank each of you for being you.

  37. ytz4mee says:

    Hilarious. HuffnPuff’s headline on this reads:

    “Trayvon Martin’s Family Sued By Insurance Company Disputing Mother’s Claim Against Homeowners”

    Those evil capitalist pigs have the nerve to defend themselves! And recoup losses from the blatant extortion attempt! How dare they! Don’t they know when BGI comes calling, the only acceptable response is to PAY UP, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

    • kathyca says:

      And that’s not even accurate — SHOCK, I know! The insurance company is NOT disputing Sybrina’s claim. They are disputing whether there is insurance coverage for her claim against the HOA. Nothing to do with the merits of Sybrina’s claim against the HOA whatsoever. Completely different issues for a completely different lawsuit by Fulton directly against the HOA — if that ever happens.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Yes, but the BGI has been tweeting this furiously. Sybrina Fulton being SUED! By evil capitalist, racist insurance company! Horrid! Racist! Horrid!

        Lol. They have no response to the question, How will the pro-Trayvon witnesses and Brandi Green feel when there is no insurance umbrella to shield them, and Sybrina goes after them and they are all individually liable? Crump has already stated he is going to sue the HOA, which by default, is all the homeowners.

        Make popcorn.

        • kathyca says:

          The spin — poor Sybrina will only have to sue the poor homeowners if the big, bad insurance company doesn’t pay the claim. She doesn’t WANT to do that, but she’ll HAVE to to get JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON. The insurance company doesn’t care about Sybrina, Trayvon or any of those poor 99%’ers. Forget about the fact that the policy doesn’t cover the loss. That’s just an excuse . . .

          • ytz4mee says:

            Exactly. IMO, this is all pre-emptive by Travelers, and exceedingly wise. They’ve gone jurisdiction shopping and found one that isn’t predisposed to sympathy claims, but adheres to actual law and stare decisis. Traveler’s denies claim because there is no basis/foundation, Sybrina and HOA then each separately sue Traveler’s for non-performance, etc. They want to get it out there early. Good on them.

          • margegunderson says:

            Yeah…his death can’t be in vain so she has to destroy the poor condo owners.

        • crossthread42 says:

          snip> The vast majority of homeowner associations do not have insurance policies that cover the acts of their volunteers, according to Berger.

          If that is the case with Retreat at Twin Lakes, the residents could be responsible for satisfying any judgment against the association, said Berger, the community associations lawyer not involved in the case.

          Such a scenario would not be unprecedented. In the mid-1990s, a Tarmac, Florida, homeowners association was hit with a $1.2 million judgment in an age-discrimination case. The group was unable to pay and had to file for bankruptcy. That left individual residents to pick up the tab, which came to more than $7,000 for each homeowner.

          <snip

          • doodahdaze says:

            A jury would award them $1 and a bag of Skittles.

          • minpin06 says:

            How fast do you think it is going to take the residents at the Retreat to move out. I’m guessing it’s going to become a ghost community long before any lawsuits get settled. I wouldn’t think that the residents from Feb. 26 will be able to be held responsible for something they had no part in. If future residents know they will have to contribute to Sybrina Fulton’s greed, I doubt many will move in. Those that rent would also suffer with higher rent charges to cover for the assessment on the owners.

            • doodahdaze says:

              I see a section 8 in its future.

              • yankeeintx says:

                In the witness statements (FBI statements IIRC) one resident of RTL states that the neighborhood has gone downhill since they started accepting Sec. 8 residents two years ago.

                • ctdar says:

                  Back in early ’90s when I owned a condo in CT , section 8 was norm which brought in some dregs but one way our assoc got around it was to charge an “application fee” for renters. State would not cough up $ and renters either had it or not so it thinned out the influx.

        • waltherppk says:

          Brandi Green was a renter for the past four years, but she could have other liability for leaving an unsupervised minor “child” actually two at her residence while out of town with her shack job. One of those minors ends up dead while she is off performing shack job duty. Culpable negligence ? Looks like a lawsuit against Brandi Green to me, and codefendant for parental neglect would be Tract Martin. Boohoo now what you gonna do slackers ? Maybe the masonic lodge can pass the trashcan for your lawyers defending against the criminal charges, maybe the only charges that can really stick in this case, ya think ? Bad boys, huh… what ya gonna do when they come for you ?
          http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-03-16/news/mh-trayvon-martin-0317-20120316_1_sanford-shooting-dispute-police-version-press-conference

          • waltherppk says:

            Truly a dreadful situation there if you look at the letter of the law, who is really liable ?
            How about Tracy Martin and Brandi Green ? It sure works for me. Issue two warrants.

          • ytz4mee says:

            No. The GZ side needs to stop playing defense, and start playing offense.
            ALL of the actual homeowners, including Frank Taffee, need to sue Brandi Green, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton for non-disclosure that Traydemark was an unsupervised thug on suspension residing in the community, and that he was unsupervised – when the root of his escalating troubles and conflicts with Authority was a direct result of his lack of supervision. Apparently ever. Crump et al will scream “NO – and fall back on the St Skittles meme”, but it opens the door based on those allegations of culpability/liability to examine all the school records, police contacts, full tox report, history of non-parental supervision. Tracy and Brandi would be subject to deposition, and we know that they are lying. Tracy called 911 and stated he last saw Traydemark at 8:30 the night before, when we know that is not true – Traydemark was already dead.

            Instead of responding to their ridiculous assertions and claims, go after them based on the facts. They put everyone in the Retreat at risk by allowing Traydemark to run wild. The end result was a neighborhood resident was the victim of a brutal assault and battery, and the Retreat has been subject to intense scrutiny and threats of litigation.

            Let them defend their claims. Offense, always.
            George doesn’t have to “prove” anything. He made a self-defense claim supported by the physical evidence. Corey is the one who has to prove otherwise. Never forget that.

          • minpin06 says:

            I was just thinking that when word gets out that the residents may have to pay up for the thug that Brandi Green allowed her squatter to bring there to the property gets out, she ain’t gonna be the most popular gal in the community. The funniest part, she is just a renter, and can move long before any lawsuits are settled. I want to see the look on the face of Austin’s mother when she realizes she has to pay up for her complicity with witness tampering. I hope Mary Cutcher’s massage parlor pays enough to cover her assessment.

            • ctdar says:

              Actually I think when it comes to renters the owner in long run is the ultimate responsible party who could get sued & they in turn would have to go after renter.
              I think

            • waltherppk says:

              Uh huh, I did say the plot thickens, you just have to look at the right angles on the facts. The entire false narrative could backfire in a huge way on all these grifters who so richly deserve it and do in fact have innocent blood on their hands. It isn’t George who needs to be apologizing because the apology that is due is an apology to George not from George.

            • jello333 says:

              Crump will probably announce that if they have to sue the HOA, they’ll specifically exempt any residents who testify against George. The ones whose testimony tends to exonerate him, on the other hand, will still be sued.

              But wait…. wouldn’t that be totally illegal? Wouldn’t that subject Crump to CRIMINAL charges? Sure. But I think by now it’s clear that Benny ain’t the brightest bulb around.

              • landaumurphyfan says:

                Well, I don’t think even Crump would actually put it in writing, but…I think you could be onto something there!

              • ftsk420 says:

                Good luck trying to only sue a few homeowners. It would never work they would all get sued under the name Retreat at Twin Lakes which if it’s like the HOA I’m in is a corporation.

        • recoverydotgod says:

          Slow-Mo popcorn.

    • johngalt90210 says:

      The comments at HuffPo, which I had previously viewed as Trayvonista turf, are surprisingly negative.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/trayvon-martin-family-sued_n_1747835.html

      • minpin06 says:

        Are they having hissy fits against those that collect more than $250,000 being considered the rich, who need to pay their fair share in taxes? Guaranteed the Travvon folks are getting more than $250,000 on their trail of tears and trashcans, and with the foundation. So, is Sybrina and Tracy et al now considered a part of the 1%? No question Crump and Parks are a part of the 1%.

      • kathyca says:

        wow. thanks for the link. That’s heartening. I didn’t read them all, but it seems that the sentiment carried through from the first to the last comments. I too, am very very surprised!

  38. crossthread42 says:

    Trash Can Train/Trail of tears ARE Running out of Monie(s)…??
    However; given certain conditions, the Martin family could bring a wrongful death case against RTL, HOA, Inc
    Look @ this Legal Analysis way back from MARCH,28, 2012!!!!
    Link–> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/28/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE82R1K620120328

    I’m inclined into thinking the HOA DID NOT have “Insurance Coverage” before the shooting…

    • kathyca says:

      I just went and looked at the policy and it does not appear to be a renewal. Doesn’t mean they didn’t have another insurer previously, but it looks like it wasn’t Travelers.

      • minpin06 says:

        So what does that mean? Travelers wrote an insurance policy on March 30, or whatever date, and they are not responsible for anything before that date? I agree with the above comment that you can’t go out and buy insurance once the house has already burned down. Why would Fulton file a lawsuit against Travelers when they had nothing to do with the incident? If Fulton is claiming against Travelers, would that mean that there was no insurance to sue other than Travelers?

        • kathyca says:

          Travelers issues a “claims made” policy. Actually, I’ve looked at the policy itself since last night and it is a “claims made and reported” policy. That means it potentially covers any claim that is made against the HOA and reported to Travelers during the policy period, regardless of when the event giving rise to the claim happened (with certain limitations relating to timing that aren’t relevant here). So Travelers can be liable to pay for claims relating to things that happened before the policy was issued, but only if the resulting claim is both made and reported during the policy period.

          If Travelers refused to pay Fulton’s claim on the HOA’s behalf, the HOA would probably settle with Fulton and assign its rights under the policy to her. She would then sue Travelers for denying the claim and would also allege that the denial of the claim was in bad faith. With the caveat that this is a general statement about how these things usually go. I’ve not specifically researched Florida bad faith law on the subject, but I’m confident that that would be the end result, although the mechanics may vary a little from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

          Lastly, no that does not mean that there is no other insurance. In fact, I wanted to point out to SDC, in particular, that the rumors of settlement may still be true — just under a different policy. Idk if the HOA has general liability insurance, but if it does, I’m sure a claim would have been made under that policy, as well. Typically, the general liability policy would be the type that would respond to a negligent training/supervision claim I would expect to be asserted against the HOA in a case like this. I don’t think we have any information about whether the HOA has such insurance or who the insurere is, though.

          One last thing, I’m looking at the policy right now to see if there are any provisions about claims that were known or anticipated at the time the policy was issued. So far, I’m not seeing any. Which is consistent with the allegations of the complaint and the fact that Travelers hasn’t sued the insured for rescission of the insurance policy based on fraud or non-disclosure in the application. That’s something that you have to do right away if you plan to deny coverage on that basis.

          • landaumurphyfan says:

            “If Travelers refused to pay Fulton’s claim on the HOA’s behalf, the HOA would probably settle with Fulton and assign its rights under the policy to her. She would then sue Travelers for denying the claim and would also allege that the denial of the claim was in bad faith.”

            OK, I was following along quite well till I got to that statement, Kathy, but now I’m lost. If Travelers don’t have to pay TrayMom’s claim b/c it arose from the death of a person & thus fell under the exclusion clause, then why would the HOA settle with her? How, why, and on what grounds would they assign her their rights under their policy, for the purpose of enabling her to sue Travelers? And even if they did assign her their rights, why wouldn’t the exclusion clause still apply? I’m feeling a tad baffled.

            • kathyca says:

              Sorry. It’s hard to explain it all in detail without going on and on more than I already am :/ What I meant was, if Travelers simply denied the claim without getting the court to rule on the application of the exclusion, that is what would likely happen. I was responding to the question why Sybrina would sue Travelers. She wouldn’t sue them if they just paid the claim, obviously, and she also will not be able to sue them if the judge rules in Travelers’ favor. Hope that makes better sense?

              • landaumurphyfan says:

                Ah, gotcha! Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify, Kathy (and indeed, thanks for all the time you spent today clarifying so many aspects of what the insurance company is talking about).

  39. diwataman says:

    I tell you what though, if this insurance claim and Bondi handout are a sign of times to come it seems they are putting Sybrina out in front of the claims. Poor Alicia, missing out on the payday, unless of course her and Tracy are together again and he’s assuring her that her time will come but sorry, no fancy dinners paid for at Simmons house.

  40. ctdar says:

    Haha just noticed Crumps tie above kinda matches Sybrinas hideous dress, maybe cut from same fabric?
    Awwwwwww how sweet, they look like a couple……of cons

  41. hoffstyle71 says:

    Notice what Hyphen-Hyphen does right after $ybrina says “For the children”? Freudian slip?

  42. knuckledragingwino says:

    Finally got logged in. Sorry for my earlier post.

    Has anyone noticed the exhibit that Travelers Insurance submitted. It regards Federal law that exempts insurance companies from liability for acts of terrorism. If GZ is branded a terrorists, this could get real nasty.

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  44. Juan says:

    Crump had the HOA in his sights all along. He tipped his had back in March when he said this :

    “Never in any account other than George Zimmerman, this neighborhood association ‘loose cannon,’ does anybody say that Trayvon Martin was up to no good, that he seemed high, or anything,” noted Crump”

    • boricuafudd says:

      What I am curious about is how long after charges were filed did Crump file a claim against the HOA. Travelers says is was shortly after March 30th. Z got charged April 2nd, so they were indeed waiting for an arrest to collect.

    • landaumurphyfan says:

      That’s a strikingly silly comment even by Crump’s standards, isn’t it, Juan? For one thing, I’d want to know whether anyone had interviewed the 7-11 clerk at that point, ‘cos TM certainly looks kind of uncoordinated and not exactly “with it” while he’s in the store. However, AFAIK there have been no statements by the clerk to date, so I’m betting that’s a No.

      And for another thing, even if the clerk was interviewed and insisted that TM seemed normal to him, we don’t have any witnesses as to how TM looked & behaved from the time he left the store (and left the 3 stooges) until witnesses saw him assaulting GZ.

      So who exactly is Crump referring to by “any account other than George Zimmerman”? He probably couldn’t answer that himself. Just one of those things that sounded impressive to the haters at the time.

      • Juan says:

        Just another in his litany of silly comments. The 7-11 clerk was interviewed & claimed to have no recollection of TM’s purchase or of TM. Not sure about the 3 stooges …. or if TM had the $2 he palmed in the store on him when they recovered his $40. If not, most likely it was the same $2 used by Curly when he purchased the blunts.

  45. rudy5618 says:

    How much was TM family given from the state through Florida’s victim comp fund?? I can’t find an article that says a specific amount.

    • ytz4mee says:

      There are conflicting reports, so take it all with a grain of salt. An “undisclosed” amount was approved, but apparently a check has not been cut yet because Trashcan Mom still has to complete some of the paperwork.

      Most reports state that the Determination Letter was dated March 29th, which stated she was eligible for funds, and Zimmerman was charged in April. Pam Bondi had already sided with the Scheme Team to determine that Traydemark was an “innocent victim of a crime”.

    • landaumurphyfan says:

      From the articles cited above, it would appear that TrayMom hasn’t actually been awarded anything yet but has been “deemed eligible for compensation benefits”. From the articles cited, “Notes taken by a victims’ advocate who works for the State Attorney’s Office in Sanford show that Tracy Martin had a life insurance policy through his employer that paid for most of the expenses incurred from Trayvon Martin’s death. Despite that, Tracy Martin still had out-of-pocket expenses of $1,300, according to the notes in the records obtained by the AP.” Also from articles cited above, payments of up to $30,000 have been awarded to other claimants. Hands up, all those who believe that she’s only applied for $1,300. Anyone? Anyone at all?

      • landaumurphyfan says:

        BTW, I find it interesting that apparently “Fulton’s friend filed the initial application on her behalf as a favor.” Was this to allow an element of creativity in the description of the events that took place? Would TrayMom have had to sign the application and attest that all the statements therein were true? ‘Cos perjury is taken very seriously, y’know. Oh wait, that only applies to the other side. Silly me.

      • ctdar says:

        Also think the requester has to prove the out of pocket expenses via reciepts so why didn’t Tracy apply to the victims fund? What exactly were cash mamas burial expenses??

    • arkansasmimi says:

      From what I have read, and the way I understand, they havent been paid anything yet.

    • jello333 says:

      It says that as of now, they still haven’t received anything. I’m assuming that means that after the initial ruling said “Yeah, you’re probably eligible”, they looked closer at the facts and are now in “Let’s just wait and see” mode. More bad news for Team Crump.

  46. sybiljx1 says:

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones
    In a statement: #TravyonMartin’s parents said any money they get from state trust fund b/c of son’s death will be donated.
    5:51 PM – 6 Aug 12via Twitter for iPhone · Details

    LOL, donated back into their for-profit trashcans!!!

    • sybiljx1 says:

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones

      For those asking: family says money would be donated to #TravyonMartin Foundation, which aims to reduce gun violence

      6:10 PM – 6 Aug 12via Twitter for iPhone · Embed this Tweet

      • dizzymissl says:

        Interesting how they announced this AFTER the story was published.

        Too late, you can’t unring the bell.

        • sybiljx1 says:

          Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones

          However, this letter stating #TravyonMartin’s family was eligible was sent to the family BEFORE #GeorgeZimmerman was arrested.

          YaFa‏@YancyFaith
          Uh-oh. @DaraleneJones

          6:37 PM – 6 Aug 12via Twitter for iPad · Embed this Tweet

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Wouldnt that be like theft by deception? That is not what that fund is for. That angers me.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        I was talking about the State Fund.

        • ytz4mee says:

          The State Fund is designed to help the “innocent victims of a crime” with expenses associated with that. Awarding funds to SB is a backhanded way of affirming that Traydemark is an “innocent victim”. A determination that was made by Pam Bondi before George was even charged. The decision had already been cooked up and agreed upon by the Scheme Team. Unfortunately for Team Skittles, that is becoming clearer to more and more people as the information about the skullduggery behind the scenes before the charges were made becomes public knowledge.

  47. ytz4mee says:
    • landaumurphyfan says:

      Good golly, the declared purpose of that foundation changes like a chameleon, doesn’t it? But, er, isn’t that the foundation that admits in the small print that the money just goes to the Martin family? With no restrictions on how they use it? IOW, TrayMom would be awarded taxpayer money and then donate it to herself? Nice work if you can get it!

      • ytz4mee says:

        I’m still confused, because the Trashcan Momma plaintively stated over and over again, “all she wanted” was “an arress’”. She got her “arress” but colour me cynical, I’m beginning to suspect what she wanted was ca$h.

    • ctdar says:

      In another words “donate to us”

  48. Daralene Jones now saying that if trayMom gets the $ from the state, she will donate it to charity, the Trademark Foundation:

    https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones

    Another sign that TrayMom and CAT (crippin all the time) are losing the PR battle.

  49. arkansasmimi says:

    kim5564‏@kim_5564 1 hr ago
    @DaraleneJones Don’t the courts have to decide IF a crime was committed? GZ was the victim of assult,does he get any $$$?

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 1hr ago
    @kim_5564 Definitely checking on that

    • woohoowee says:

      Mimi, as always, thanks fir twitter updates for those of us that don’t Facebook or twitter!

      Ms. Jones, while you’re” checking,” it just might be beneficial to check on the Constitutional rights of one, Goerge Zimmerman, and family, that have been trampled. Just sayin’…

      You see, we were founded as a nation of laws, not men. You know, the land of the free, not the free handout or perpetual grievance. The fallacy of the free handout and perpetually aggrieved has worn more than thin.

  50. Big thanks to Kathyca for all the professional expertise on this thread today. Great job. Thank you muchly……

    • ytz4mee says:

      +100
      She has been exceedingly patient with all of us …

    • kathyca says:

      wow…thx! u, too, ytz. My “talents” are quite limited and I’m very happy for an opportunity to provide any information that’s useful to y’all and, hopefully, to George’s cause. I’m totally impressed with this site and all of the members and very glad that I could help, even a little bit, on this tiny piece of it. I’d definitely want the treepers on my side!

      • froggielegs says:

        Thanks for the explanations today Kathy. I must of drove ya crazy not getting what claims made policy meant LOL

        • kathyca says:

          Nooooo not at all! I’ll tell ya what drives me crazy is peeps who state things as fact without knowing for sure and without acknowledging that they could be wrong. I saw so many posts all over the place today assuming that the claim was bogus because the policy wasn’t issued until after the fact. And, frankly, that assumption worked in favor of George and I’m not sorry about that!. Nonetheless, “the truth has no agenda.” So it was important, imo, to put the truth of that out there. Even though I didn’t realize I was being “controversial” at the time lol

      • jordan2222 says:

        You are a great asset to the Treehouse. Thank you helping us to understand this.

        • kathyca says:

          Thank you, Jordan. It’s my great pleasure to be in a position to make some small contribution to George’s cause and the truth, in general. I hope there are more opportunities in the future. I feel extremely blessed to have found a group of folks who think, like me, that the truth of the matter is what sets us free. In my daily life I often feel that I’m the only person on the planet who strives to live the truth. Being here, I don’t feel so alone. Love you guys!

          • kathyca says:

            okay, that sounds super sappy and self-righteous. So while it’s true, please disregard the naval gazing and suffice it to say I dig this blog lol :)

            • Sharon says:

              Aw, that’s ok, kathyca! When it gets really late at night, and we sit around the campfire enjoying ‘smores and spilling our thoughts, we all slip into that stuff once in awhile just cuz we’re comfy with our peeps and glad to be here. Hope you found yourself a good branch while you been busy here all day!

              • kathyca says:

                Thanks so much, Sharon! I definitely feel more like a part of the community after today! Very happy to be here with like-minded peeps and virtual ‘smores are excellent for my actual butt :)

          • waltherppk says:

            Love you too Kathy. Thanks for the help. Here’s a song for you.

  51. blubird says:

    George Zimmerman and his family are the “victims”. Can they apply for money from the victim’s fund? I think they qualify. http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/a13e1518920d0de685256cc6004bd490!OpenDocument

    I think all of these definitions fit the Zimmermans.
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/victim
    1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
    2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
    3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
    4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
    5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.

    • ytz4mee says:

      FWIW, I think every single member of the extended Zimmerman family should apply for benefits, and submit all their receipts for their life on the run as a result of the BGI. Let them be “denied” by the pandering BGI excuse mongerer Pam Bondi, and file it as further evidence of institutional bias at the very top against GZ.

      The AG’s website clearly states the fund is for “INNOCENT victims of a crime”. By making a determination that Sybrina Fulton is eligible for an award, before GZ was even charged, FL AG Pam Bondi inserted herself into the controversy and made an extrajudicial determination that Trayvon Martin was “innocent” – when the facts are very much in dispute, especially on March 29th.

      • woohoowee says:

        “By making a determination that Sybrina Fulton is eligible for an award, before GZ was even charged, FL AG Pam Bondi inserted herself into the controversy and made an extrajudicial determination that Trayvon Martin was “innocent””

        Key word : extrajudicial. Unconstitutional. They’ve succeed thus fair in railroading an innocent man to pander to special interest groups. With additional sunlight, this will stop. Most Americans believe in truth and justice, not extrajudicial determinations and (in) just-us. Time to restore the law, in contrast to mob rule. This has to stop! Extortion and threats of mob rule in a Constitutional Rebublic? I think not!

    • diwataman says:

      hmmm…

      FLORIDA BUREAU OF VICTIM COMPENSATION
      Eligibility Requirements

      Victim must not have contributed to the circumstances that caused the crime injury or death.
      http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/KGRG-8E4KRV/$file/VictimsCompApp-Eng.pdf

      • ytz4mee says:

        The issue being disputed in part is whether or not Trayvon was indeed a “VICTIM”.
        And an “innocent victim” at that. FWIW, IMO if you’ve punched someone in the nose and are banging their head against the concrete, you’re not exactly an “innocent victim”. And the FL AG had all the information of GZ’s injuries and statements when they made the Determination that Traydemark was an “innocent victim” and stating Trashcan Mom was eligible for compensation.

        • diwataman says:

          Oh I agree that’s the most important factor I just thought it was interesting that was in the requirements and thinking about this case along with the other requirement of “Victim or claimant must cooperate fully with law enforcement officials, state attorney’s office, and the Attorney General’s Office.”

          • doodahdaze says:

            Crump won’t touch this Tar Baby. The forms require statements in writing. There is a section for the “victims” lawyer. It is not a pile of paperwork as he claims. it is a couple pages.

        • scubachick75 says:

          I bet Trayvon’s other victims would like to be compensated for the jewelry that he stole from them.

          • doodahdaze says:

            Tcong is not a victim he is a Perp. Now look at what Weiner did. I noticed the other morning when SD was breaking the story he tweeted he was on the case. But it was not until the afternoon he wrote a short piece on it. It appears he was waiting for Crump to tell him how to respond.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Now look at the simple forms and look at the Crump response. He said she has a “pile” of forms at home and he encouraged her to fill them out. This is a lie. The media as good little lap-puppies go right along with the lie. No curiosity whatsoever. It would be a simple matter for her lawyer to fill out the forms….4 pages…in a few minutes. But for Crump to fill them out with his false narrative as the basis would invite disbarment.

  52. diwataman says:

    Tracy did not cooperate FULLY with law enforcement officials when he wouldn’t provide the information to them for Trayvon’s phone.

    FLORIDA BUREAU OF VICTIM COMPENSATION
    Eligibility Requirements

    Victim or claimant must cooperate fully with law enforcement officials, state attorney’s office, and the Attorney General’s Office.
    http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/KGRG-8E4KRV/$file/VictimsCompApp-Eng.pdf

    • knuckledragingwino says:

      Did Tracy Martin refuse access to the phone accounts because he wanted to conceal communications between Chad Green, Brandy Green and Himself?

      Obviously; we suspect that the Crump released phone records are fabrications. However; there might be more compelling reasons.

      TM had plenty of time to make it to Brandy Green’s condo. We have assumed that Chad wouldn’t let him in or wasn’t home. What if Chad was home and answered the door for TM, then went with TM to film TM playing the knockout game with GZ as victim on his cell phone? What if Chad texted that video to Brandy Green or Tracy Martin? What if cell phone records reveal that Tracy Martin contacted Crump before he allegedly knew that TM had died?

      This could be really explosive.

  53. diwataman says:

    BTW ytz4mee, I think it was you who first questioned the aspect of Bondi deeming Trayvon “innocent victim” so props to you and it was woohoowee who noticed it was even before George was charged so props to you as well. Every news agency I see reporting on the Bondi aspect are just regurgitating the AP article, and here at the treehouse, well, you all know.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_CLAIM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    • ytz4mee says:

      Thanks. You have been a stalwart sleuth for the truth, always. The only way to get the message out there is to use social media, including FB and Twitter.

      Re-tweet messages from the #TrayvonMartin or #Zimmerman hashtag streams that state the truth. That allows it to trend and go viral. Modifying a tweet does NOT do this, although people insist on it.

  54. blubird says:

    Massad Ayoob stresses to be the first one to call the police after a shooting so the police will know that you are the victim. George did everything he could to establish that fact. I think the police believed him until the Crump legal team decided to capture the narrative. If he had relied on an attorney in the beginning he may have been in a bigger mess judging the attorneys we have read about in Florida.
    http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/3-most-common-post-shooting-errors
    “As we moved on to the topic of this interview, I asked Massad to identify the most common mistakes armed citizens make that get them in trouble following a justified self-defense shooting. Without hesitation, he replied, “Failing to call police after the incident.”
    “The citizen is in a situation that warrants drawing the gun,” he continued. “They do everything right, the suspect turns and runs, and it ends without bloodshed as most of these things do. The citizen figures that it is over, so they do not call the police, but the offender calls in and complains and the next thing you know the citizen has become the perpetrator and the original assailant becomes the victim/complainant, or at least is seen as such.”

    • nameofthepen says:

      Blubird – cool article! I also liked this part:

      “In an aside, Massad acknowledged the value of an attorney educated about defending innocent people. ‘Very, very few criminal defense attorneys have any significant experience in defending these kinds of cases. The affirmative defense principle is 180-degrees reversed from the usual damage control and credibility attacks lawyers use to defend guilty men’.”

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  56. Christina Lawson says:

    The best thing to happed to SabrinSa was for her son to have been shot….She has profited about a million bucks…Ask her how she spends that money???? I bet she has alot of new jewelry and a car and a custom built home…THAT’S ASHAME; THIS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY..I WOULD DONATE ALL THE MONEY JUST TO PROVE THAT MY SON;S DEATH WAS NOT FOR MY PROFIT..

  57. PT says:

    There should be 100 lawsuits filed against the Scheme Team, Sharpton, Jackson, Corrinne Brown, Obama, Holder, Angela corey, MSNBC, and CNN for conspiracy to deprive GZ civil rights, and to incite riots, influence and interfere with police investigations, jury tampering, and conspiracy for $10 billion total along with restraining orders to prevent these racist profiteers from profiting off the death of Trayvon Martin – including the copyright Fulton filed while TM’s body was still warm.

    The true story needs to be told from every state courthouse by people with the standing to sue – like the victims and families of whites attacked by the “Justice for Trayvon” racist black thugs.

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