Trayvon's Mysterious Button – Cory C Johnson

Skip to the 04:45 mark for the “button conversation”


Miami Times Obituary Cory Craig Johnson (1971 – 2008)

Cory Craig Johnson October 10, 1971 – May 1, 2008 Opa Locka, Florida Age 36.

HatTip Sibilj and Shari  

Also, this is Ronald Fulton (Sybrina’s Brother) who Sybrina mentions in the interview.

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Ronald Fulton is also at the tail end of this video with Jesse Jackson in Miami 2007 at an economic equality rally.

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137 Responses to Trayvon's Mysterious Button – Cory C Johnson

  1. Shari says:

    Why the odd reaction by SF in the interview when asked about that button. I also wonder what happened to him. Would the police still have that button as evidence?

  2. myopiafree says:

    The Police have the button. We STILL don’t know who it was. When my grandmother died, I did not get a picture, and wear it all the time. That is so BOGUS. What I suspect, is that it was of the “No Limit” star, C-Murder (or someone equivalent) – but only the future will tell that. Most of the “druggies” know who he is. This would be more an “advertisement” – that I am “like you”, as an “Introduction” in a strange 7-11. “Hey Bro, you need some, “weed”?

    • Aussie says:

      C-Murder is not dead. This seems to be a memorial button. It is common for the gang members to wear a button for a dead member

  3. Shari says:

    “RIP” Memorial buttons are a commonly worn to honor a lost relative or friend. I would say they seem to be most popular among gang members to honor a lost member. Just do a google image search for “RIP Jitt”(one example) You will see that many have these memorial buttons. Shirts are another big thing. Many wear memorial shirts with photos of the person who died. TM has shirts and buttons. Never knew this type of thing existed until this case.

  4. RUDY says:

    I have a t-shirt with RIP uncles face and his favorite biblical quote on it. One member of the family passed them out to all members at the funeral.

  5. Greg says:

    Weird, I raised two kids and unless I was out of town on business I made them breakfast “to order” and packed their lunch every school day. They were never left to wake up “perhaps on time” and rummage though the kitchen looking for something to eat.

  6. Lee says:

    The difference – you were being a responsible caring parent.

  7. Bill says:

    This is a little off topic but I saw this old clip of Tracy Martin and he said all he wanted was an arrest trial and conviction. I thought this was a little simplistic, but even back then I can see Crump waving money in front of him. Martin’s son was dead and all Tracy wanted was a huge money settlement kinda like when you have life insurance. Suing is not totally unusual in a loved one’s death but in order to do this George Zimmerman had to go to jail and you wonder if that was even a consideration. I think I should forward this message to Tracy.

  8. ZurichMike says:

    Can someone please get this grieving grifter out of the public eye? Sorry for your loss, but every media appearance cheapens your deceased son’s already tawdry and tragic time on earth.

    • myopiafree says:

      Ms. Fulton – had NO PICTURE OF HER SON. What parent KEEPS NO PICTURE OF THEIR SON?? Grief? Sorry to say, only when the “trash bags don’t have cash”. Sorry if I appear cynical – but I am.

      • 2ntense says:

        Don’t know if it would be considered defending her but I don’t have paper pics of my daughter in my wallet. Have a mini-shrine at work… and pictures of her on my phone.
        The interview is weird in a big way.

    • Shari says:

      I agree, did they even take time to mourn his death. Something is off about the whole story. I just don’t believe anything that family says.

      • Scoots Knuck says:

        I’ve said it since day one…It is all about GREED NOT GRIEF and *this* is the most attention poor little Trademark ever received from either one of these rotten parents.

        • Aussie says:

          I agree. In this case greed is a very real factor.

        • Roscoe P. Soultrane says:

          Nonsense. This is all about justice. And justice for Traydmark just happens to take the form of large cash payments to the sperm and egg donors. Besides, they’re just following Rahm Emanuel’s advice and not letting a crisis go to waste. What good is a dead kid if no one gets paid?

  9. Sentenza says:

    Can’t find anything about Cory in open source, other than here, but that doesn’t mean anything.

  10. captainronmexico says:

    Who chooses THAT photo as THE photo to remember someone by? Mean-mugging the camera – if this guy didn’t have gang affiliation and a felony record I’ll eat an empty can of watermelon drank. The buttons and t-shirts are a gang memorial all the way. When was the last time you saw a t-shirt “Rest in Paradise, Dr. Shmeul Rosenberg – You Was Tha Pimp Dentist”?
    Sabrina makes me sick to my stomach. I hope she has enough brains and conscience to feel guilty about how her thuglet turned out. Hope she is getting lots of man attention from her boob tattoo.
    And “Jahvaris Fulton-Martin?” His dad wasn’t named Martin. His mom was never named Martin. No man named Martin ever adopted him.
    I am so sick of these con artist grifters. I don’t feel bad for them at all any more. Do we feel sorry for the crappy parents of some felon who gets shot by a clerk while he’s trying to rob a liquor store? Trick question. I MIGHT if they were humble and sorry. These people deserve no such consideration.

    • sybilj says:

      Social Security Death Index
      about Cory Craig Johnson
      Name:
      Cory Craig Johnson
      Last Residence:
      33054 Opa Locka, Miami-dade, Florida
      Born:
      10 Oct 1971
      Died:
      1 May 2008
      State (Year) SSN issued:
      Florida (1983)
      Rap sheet:
      http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/CJIS/CaseSearch.aspx
      DOB 10/10/1971

      • Sandusky says:

        Your link only took me to the search page, Sybil, so I’ll see if this one is any better. If not, anyone who is curious will just have to do their own search. http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/CJIS/CaseSearch.aspx
        The results show 5 cases found.
        Criminal Justice and Civil Infraction Cases – Case List
        ** Click on the Case to see more details **
        Case Filed Date Closed Date First Charge
        M-95-017777 04/20/1995 06/06/1995 OBSTR JUST/FALSE INF
        F-93-032779 09/28/1993 03/28/1994 BATTERY
        M-93-009371 03/01/1993 03/15/1993 PETIT LARCENY, THEFT
        F-92-034309 10/07/1992 02/16/1993 ASSAULT/AGGRAVATED
        F-92-030478 09/04/1992 10/08/1992 CONCEALED F/A /CARRY
        So my question is, did he get his act together after 1995 or did he just move to fresher fields?
        If he just moved, Sybil is gonna find him. He can run but he can’t hide from her…

        • Sandusky says:

          Sybil, is my memory playing tricks on me or did you also find a rap sheet for Ronald Fulton a while ago? I did a quick check of the archives but didn’t locate it via “Ronald” and there are a LOT of hits for “Fulton”.

          • sybilj says:

            Middle name: Tyrone

            • Sandusky says:

              Ah, so that would be:
              Case Filed Date Closed Date First Charge
              F-94-015851 05/13/1994 08/17/1994 PETIT THEFT
              M-94-041382 08/15/1994 02/07/1995 PETIT THEFT
              M-96-028740 07/01/1996 07/01/1996 TRESPASS
              M-98-005944 02/04/1998 03/03/1998 NARC IMPL/POSN W/O R
              F-01-002902 01/27/2001 02/16/2001 TAMPER/PHYS EVIDENCE
              M-88-080897 11/08/1988 07/03/1989 MARIJUANA/POSSESSION
              M-85-080363 11/19/1985 12/18/1985 DISORDERLY CONDUCT
              B-90-230533 03/19/1990 01/30/1991 PETIT LARCENY, THEFT
              Not exactly a saint, but a marginally better “role model” than Cory Johnson, since at least Ronald doesn’t seem to have gone in for beating people up. Seriously, tho, when we look at the men in TM’s life, is it any wonder he headed down the road that he did?
              Incidentally, I see that there’s also a Ronald Fulton who doesn’t appear to have a middle name but who was born on the same date as Ronald Tyrone Fulton, which seems more than coincidental to me. He only had one case listed.
              Case Filed Date Closed Date First Charge
              B-06-058241 10/12/2006 11/06/2006 RESIST ARR W/O VIOL

              • DizzyMissL says:

                gotta be the same one. The other thing to do is to make sure to look up misspelled names. They like to do that in order to escape detection.

              • James Crawford says:

                How about Sabrina Fulton?
                Any arrests for prostitution?

        • John Gault says:

          Am I reading that right: multiple felon/firearm convictions and probation every time?

          • Shari says:

            Yes, I wondered about that last night, no jail time. I think he must of had a government job because the Death notice has Civil listed.

          • captainronmexico says:

            Not unusual. You would be surprised what a small-time felon can get away with without getting sent up on a probation violation. Its the same mindset that has them talking about how GZ’s injuries are “not that bad….” what’s a little felony battery among friends. Keep it “minor” – no murders or high-volume drug charges – and you can ride the probation carousel for quite some time….

          • Roscoe P. Soultrane says:

            Looks like someone turned rat with regularity.

        • sybilj says:

          His last known address, (which matches the zip code on the death certificate), is the “Fight Club” Gold House. (Not posting link or address.)
          http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/19/trayvons-fight-club-the-inconvienient-truth/

        • Susiejoe says:

          He probably moved into the jailhouse in ’95. You can just get away with so much and then they lock them up for a long time.

          • captainronmexico says:

            He never got state prison time on any of those charges. The funny (sad) thing is that this rap sheet is NOTHING. Most of this guy’s peers in the hood get 3 C felony charges before they wake up and find themselves something for breakfast. In this version of reality you are a good guy until you actually kill someone.

          • James Crawford says:

            This is the problem with the criminal justice system. We train people to become criminals by allowing them to commit numerous crimes without suffering even moderate consequences until their behavior escalates to the point where we have to inaccurate them for years or decades or even kill them. A few weeks on a chain gang or perhaps a moderate flogging would have conditioned them to restrain their behavior.
            BTW, these guys’ rap sheets are pathetic compared to the record accumulated by my brother’s murderer. That guy was getting arrested at least once a month for over a decade.

        • JE_Reading says:

          It’s a good question Sandusky, as it appears he was on the “graduating” route toward the bigger and badder criminal activity end. Also noting that it appears he never paid his court costs on 032779 although the case is closed.

      • JE_Reading says:

        SSN for Cory Craig Johnson is 592-20-8629, according to http://www.death-record.com/l/178528588/Cory-CRAIG-Johnson

      • JE_Reading says:

        Might as well add in the traffic infraction from Broward County – 1995 (Cory Craig Johnson)
        Broward County Case Number: 96001713TC40A State Reporting Number: 061996CT001713A88840
        Court Type: Traffic Criminal Case Type: Traffic Criminal
        Filing Date: 01/10/1996 Case Status: Disposed
        Court Location: South Courthouse Judge ID / Name: Miller – SB, Terri-Ann
        Magistrate ID / Name: N/A
        Style: State of Florida Vs. Johnson, Cory Craig
        Expired Tags / No insurance
        http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/ClerkWebSite/Welcome2.aspx

        • JE_Reading says:

          Also, from the same site, note that there is a civil issue in Broward County – hospital wanting $$$ from Cory Craig Johnson’s estate. Could indicate that whatever happened to Johnson did not happen in Opa-Locka or the greater Miami area or that he resided elsewhere in Florida.
          Broward County Case Number: PRC080002689 State Reporting Number: 062008CP002689A001CE
          Court Type: Probate Case Type: Caveat
          Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 05/28/2008
          Court Location: Central Courthouse Case Status: Disposed Non-SRS
          Magistrate ID / Name: N/A Judge ID / Name: 60J Grossman, Mel
          Style: In Re Estate Of: Johnson, Cory Craig
          Attorneys / BarID
          Denotes Lead Attorney
          Caveator
          Memorial Healthcare System James, Sylvia
          Retained
          Decedent
          Johnson, Cory Craig 1971 05/01/2008
          Representative
          None

    • Shari says:

      If you do a public record search at the Miami Dade County site, (clerk of courts) You will find SF was married to Tracy. She did have the last name Martin at one time. Don’t know about Jah. F.

  11. Venus says:

    Sybrina knew her son was a bad kid and now she was rewarded for her great parenting with 8months vacation off her job. Trademarks death has boosted the quality of life for them in a big way. Maybe Tracy needs to come clean about why he called the cops, he did it because he knew if his son left his weed on the porch and didn’t come back for it, something was wrong, and it also shows premeditation on TM’s part.

  12. DizzyMissL says:

    Here it said that the photo on the button was of a “mentor”:
    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-03-16/news/mh-trayvon-martin-0317-20120316_1_sanford-shooting-dispute-police-version-press-conference/2
    Gotta love that a guy who had been in jail numerous times could be considered a mentor.

    • From the article:
      The family has refused to say why Trayvon was suspended, only offering that Trayvon had violated some type of school policy. They said his act was not violent or criminal.
      “I wanted him to get back focused on his priorities, his goals,” Martin said of his decision to drive to Sanford with his son. “I wanted some one-on-one time.”
      Tracy Martin, who lives in Miami-Dade, is divorced from Trayvon’s mom. He says he often visits his girlfriend Brandy Green, who has rented the same townhouse in Sanford for more than four years.
      He was six-three, 140 pounds, and eating everything in sight, including his favorite fried chicken with french fries and large drink. He suffered from the death of an older mentor four years ago, and on the day he died he wore a button in remembrance of him.
      “He has never been in trouble. He has never been arrested,” Fulton said. “He has never been in a fight that I know of.”
      She drove Trayvon to school every day.
      “I’ve always driven my kids to school,” she said, choking back tears. “He would text me throughout the day and call me when he got home from school.”

      • ctdar says:

        Did she ever make him a home cooked meal or did she rely on fast food takeout?

        • Sandusky says:

          I believe there’s another interview (I’ll see if I can find it when I finish work) in which, IIRC, Sybrina and/or the aunt in this clip claim that his favourite food was homemade hamburgers. Call me a cynic, but I think some PR-type person started working on her image in the interval.

          • James F says:

            He especially liked his mother’s everyman dish of hamburgers and French fries. Count brownies with lots of nuts as his guilty pleasure, his grandmother told the New York Times. He earned money by painting houses, washing cars and working Pee Wee football league games.
            http://racerelations.about.com/od/thelegalsystem/a/The-Real-Trayvon-Martin-Facts-About-The-Slain-Youths-Life.htm
            I can see her slicin’ up them taters now.

          • Laney Grange says:

            I am sure the PR and attorneys have gotten ahold of them, they are holding them tight. I think sybrina and maybe even Tracy are sorry this has gone so far. I know they wanted justice for their son, but I also think they are caught up in something much bigger than themselves. I really believe this case was a political move, bringing attn to this case is a huge distraction from other things (like the supreme court case on affirmative action in higher education). This brings votes to Obama by default. Trayvons parents need the money and help now, so they cant back out, also, these people are powerful. no telling whats really going on or what they are telling sybrina and tracy.

            • 2ntense says:

              Laney, I’ve wondered the same thing before. It’s like that old adage “you lay down with the dogs..” there is another one more appropriate about dancing with the devil. They may have really wanted to know what happened but once they signed on…. bet it sure looks different from the inside than it did when the hustlers came to town and they were only in the audience.
              Look at Cindy Sheehan… she got used and once she was no longer useful she was left in a heap. This will end no differently.

            • Aussie says:

              I tend to disagree. Considering the way in which Chumpy was contacted, it was deliberate all the way… there are just too many contacts to say that either of them are caught up in anything.

            • JE_Reading says:

              Early on, when all of the media coverage began, I remember Matt Lauer asking both Tracy and Sybrina whether they advocated the violence that was stirring as a result of the coverage. Sybrina was fairly clear she did not advocate. Tracy? Not so much so. He was very tight lipped and restraining himself – searching for words. I believe he was holding back what he really wanted to say when he replied that he wanted an arrest to take place. I believe the anger was very real and the type of anger a parent that has lost their child suddenly would feel (and express).
              I don’t believe either one of these parents went in to this with the idea of making money or furthering any one else’s agenda. The thing about this “mass mentality” phenomenon is that most of us cannot comprehend it from the perspective of being the very people that mitigated it. Once the spark is ignited and the wildfire begins to spread, the foundation of the fire, while still reason on the outside, tends to be subjugated by already existing agendas needing fuel to further themselves and stay alive. Tracy and Sybrina, while kept visibly in the forefront, lost control of this side show the minute things, for better lack of a term, “went viral.” Bottom line, they had the choice to jump on that magic bus or move back in to obscurity. Staying on board brought with it all of the perks they would inevitably be criticized for. Had they withdrawn, odds are they would have still faced harsh criticisms for being uncaring parents, liars, etc. – only by the very people that are supporting them now. Wildfires are not easily distinguished and will fight to keep themselves alive……and they’ll burn from the source outward, destroying any and everything in their path without special consideration, exception or regard. This is not to say at all that Tracy and Sybrina are blameless but that they started a situation in which they would immediately and inevitably have to “sell out” in order to continue, with very little time available to them to weigh out the consequences of their decisions.

            • howie says:

              I wonder what is up with Brandy. Maybe she TO’D them. She disappeared when they got on with the Race Pimp tour with Sharpton.

            • Aussie says:

              I disagree. Considering the contacts of contacts of contacts…. Tracy Martin knew what he was doing.
              There will be no Østupid votes over this particular issue because more and more people are waking up to the truth…
              As for the greedy individuals who are making money out of their son’s death…. a pox on them and their greed.

      • Angel says:

        “I wanted him to get back focused on his priorities, his goals,” Martin said of his decision to drive to Sanford with his son. “I wanted some one-on-one time.”
        But then you left him alone in a unfamiliar city, alone the night before he was to return to Miami. It seems getting ready to return TM to Miami would have been an ample opportunity to spend time with your son, to talk and spend some quality time together the night before that return. Why go out on that night?! Why not watch an important game such as the NBA all-star game with your son who you brought down to have one-on-one time with? Why not take him to dinner with you instead of leaving him to his own devices to hike to a store to get snacks in the dark, and in the rain? Why not ensure that he has those snacks before you leave for dinner by driving him there yourself before you left for dinner? I think the answers to these questions would explain much in this perplexing scenarios.

        • Angel says:

          Since nobody ever responds to my post, I am starting to get the impression that this is a members-only blog. If that is so, I will stop posting here even thought I am on the side of truth, whatever that truth may be.

          • Sharon says:

            Hi Angel, please don’t have that impression 🙁 . It’s certainly not a members-only blog, so please continue posting.
            A thread can be like a Thanksgiving dinner where everybody’s talking, and many bits of conversation are not responded to for any number of reasons. It may have to do with what day of the week it is, what the primary thread of the conversation already is or just for no reason. Please keep posting and responding to others’ posts. I hope you hang around.

            • Angel says:

              Thanks Sharon. I was thinking the only membership criteria was having an interest in truth and I do. I know that every post doesn’t necessarily require a reply.

              • Sandusky says:

                Actually, Angel, I was going to reply to your post by saying something to the effect that maybe Tracy should’ve been more concerned about focussing on his *own* priorities, since these were clearly lacking, but I knew that would lead me into mentioning the sad lack of parenting skills in this family, and I’m *trying* to work – I tell you, this treehouse is ruining my work ethic b/c there always seems to be an interesting discussion going on somewhere. Which ain’t good b/c I get paid on productivity and can’t afford to be lollygagging around here chewing the fat (that’s bacon fat, of course – nice and crispy).
                Choose yourself a branch and hang around. Seekers after truth are always welcome here, as far as I can see. (Haven’t been here that long myself.)

          • tnwahm says:

            Not every comment gets commented on so please don’t get offended.

        • mooserator says:

          Acknowledging Angel’s Post
          I read it and I’m cogitating on it plus lots of other info presented here.

        • JE_Reading says:

          Angel. Quite honestly I believe that Sybrina had lost her ability to control her son, who was moving deeper and deeper in to problem territory. I think that is why Trayvon ended up with his Dad during his suspension from school. I think there is some truth in what he was saying about “one on one time” but that Sybrina may very well have been feeling at the end of her rope and unable to manage Trayvon so pushed her ex, Trayvon’s father, to take some responsibility as a parent.
          Hate to cite something as stereotypical as a movie but look at Boyz in the Hood – similar premise, only Tracy opted out of the actual proactive and strict parenting Lawrence Fishburne undertook (immediately) as a step toward saving his son. Tracy chose his girlfriend over his kid that night. Theoretically, Trayvon was only to stay there for a brief period of time. He was there as a result of the consequences of unacceptable behavior and infractions at school. Tracy needed to blow off everything else for those 10 school days plus weekends and get to work on parenting his child.

    • Roscoe P. Soultrane says:

      Have YOU ever tried to get your own weed distribution business started from the ground level? No? Then you don’t know how much mentoring it takes!

  13. sybilj says:

    Mother:
    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/marion-evans-grandmother-trayvon-martin-leona-d-johnson-photo-024205389.html
    Marion Evans (C), grandmother of Trayvon Martin, and Leona D. Johnson listen to Reverend Al Sharpton’s speech during a public rally to honor the memory of Martin, at Fort Mellon Park in Sanford, Florida March 22, 2012….

  14. This is an honest request for anyone who can do on-line data sheets or diagrams.
    Could someone put together a tree of Trayvon Martin’s known family members. I am constantly amazed at how little I actually know about the parents, step-parents, uncles, step-uncles, siblings, step-siblings etc. etc …….. etc… Even just a list of names and relationship would be great. 🙁
    Photobucket
    If someone could put it together, send it to the TreeHouse and then I’ll write it up as a post so everyone understands. There are more people lost in this family forest than just me.

    • howie says:

      Julison will claim TM is a direct descendant of Kunta Kinte, MLK, Booker T Washington, Jack Kennedy and Meadowlark Lemon.

    • Shari says:

      On the Miami Dade public record site. It shows a Family court hearing with SF and a David Scott. Could this be JF dad?

    • DizzyMissL says:

      I don’t have time to work on a family tree, but from that article I posted above, he has a cousin named Darrell Finley, AKA as the “musician” Alyric. Google Alyric and take a look at his music videos.
      OMG–NSFW!

      • Shari says:

        Darrell has a site where he posted a photo of his Mom and she is with the NBPP. He also has a photo of himself with the Grand Pooba Panther who did all the interviews.

    • sybilj says:

      http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-20/news/31375859_1_relatives-second-degree-murder-count-details
      Trayvon’s uncle Mark Fulton fumed, “Common criminals get higher bail than that. Where’s the justice?”
      veromi.com
      Fulton, Mark A
      48
      Opa Locka, FL
      Miami, FL
      North Miami Beach, FL
      Opa Loca, FL
      Relative/Associates
      Fulton, Stephaine
      Fulton, Ronald Tyrone
      Fulton, Marion L
      Fulton, Sybrina Denise
      LONG rap sheet:
      http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/CJIS/CaseSearch.aspx
      (Age 48)

      • John Galt says:

        “Trayvon’s uncle Mark Fulton fumed, “Common criminals get higher bail than that.”
        Can’t argue with an expert.

      • DizzyMissL says:

        You have got to be kidding me. How can this guy even be walking the streets?? They need to lock him up and throw away the key.

      • Shari says:

        Camp TM should have collected donations for research and a cure for this seemingly genetic disease called Burglaritis and Theftyosis.

    • tnwahm says:

      I’m one that’s lost in this “family”. It reminds me of a book I read a few years ago that opened my eyes to how the “generational poor” think; “The Framework for Understanding Poverty” It’s a book that I highly recommend. One of the things that it touched on is the web of family that many blacks in inner cities now have because of welfare. Many of my dh’s clients at the rehab that he runs have fathered many children by different females and/or have no idea who their sperm donor really is.

    • sybilj says:

      I understand your frustration, SD. Tracking this family lineage is difficult.
      Consider the broad usage of relations here:
      http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=247323
      Darius Davis is Trayvon’s cousin. He was at the rally with several other family members and says, “The family was very disgusted because it’s really about finding out why Trayvon was shot in the chest. It’s not about why he was suspended from school.”
      See obit… Darius is/was married to Natalie Clarke-Davis, Cory’s sister.
      Related??
      http://www.change.org/en-GB/members/13103795
      Darius commented on the petition | 3 months ago
      Lets get justice for Trayvon Martin
      Justice for my baby cousin…………………… “I miss u Tray”!!!!!!!!! And by all means, his stereotypical killer, “George M. Zimmerman”(White, 28yrs/male) needs to be held accountable for killing this unarmed child, that was just trying to make it back home……. Zimmerman were questioned, but never arrested……… “WHY!!!!!!!”

    • Kyozokuninja says:

      Working on what I can now, SD. Has anyone noted, besides me, that it is very, very hard to find any information on TradDaddy? We know he grew up in East St Louis, IL and that he graduated from East St Louis Senior High School in 1986 (yes, it took it a bit to get through it all), but it’s very hard to find anything about his past – or his relations. If anyone has had better luck than I have tracking the slippery T down, I will add it to my TrayTree. Thank you! 🙂

  15. Fathomable says:

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    • Sharon says:

      Thank you, Fathomable. I’ve struggled with this from a “conservative” background as well, with my thoughts being : “Stop yelling at me! I don’t do those things to blacks. I’ve never done those things. I’ve never known anybody who does those things to blacks. I don’t think that way about blacks. So why are ‘you all’ yelling at me and why is every public agency and political voice on your side? Why is everybody lying about this?” (I grew up on a Montana farm in the 40’s and 50’s. I would have had serious music to face if I had talked bad or thought bad about any particular race, including the Indians in our area….or, perhaps more properly 😉 “in whose area we were”–we had old Indian tepee rings in our pasture.)
      This hole-in-the-fence that events are pushing all of us through is really weird. Absolutely weird. And the wonder of it is, NO ONE (not even the most “conservative agenda-driven person/s) could have designed this revelatory series of events that zero in on and expose national nausea. Many, many blacks who just are not as dumb as their self-appointed spokesmen would like them to be are part of the many millions who are standing up in place and saying, “No more. No more.” And that response is feared and hated on EVERY subject, not just the subject of “black leaders'” lies and manipulations and power-hungry careers.
      It’s wonder we are hated. They hate you and I having this conversation…any conversation.

    • Sentenza says:

      I tried your thought experiment, and it made me uncomfortable to even try to think like that, to judge an entire race of people.

      • Fathomable says:

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        • Sentenza says:

          But how do you tell the thugs from the not-thugs?

          • Roscoe P. Soultrane says:

            Just follow the lead of the door gunner from Full Metal Jacket: anyone who runs is a thug; anyone who stands still is a well disciplined thug. 🙂

        • Aussie says:

          I have spent a small amount of time in your country. One of the people that I remember the most from my last trip was a black man. He was a station attendant at the Seattle railway station. I had a very nasty fall inside the area where we had to check our baggage. I ended up with bruises on my legs. The staff in that area did nothing about my fall. That black gentleman brought me some ice for my legs. I will remember him for his kindness.
          On the train itself I will always remember the one attendant who very cheekily told us that having ice-cream for dinner will cause us to have nightmares. I still laugh about what actually happened, because it turned out to be the wheels of the train… do not ask but think along the lines of “Close encounters of the Third Kind” as the rumble of the train permeated my dreams ROFL.

      • tnwahm says:

        I live in Memphis and trust me; Fathomable is right. In fact, there are two different routes to my house. One that I will go only during the day. There is a Kroger that is a few miles from my house that I will not go into at night nor will I take my dd into even during the day.

        • Aussie says:

          I have been through some of those neighbourhoods in the USA. The feeling is one of fear, and that was back in 1984.
          Our experience in DC was probably spot on with regard to the point being made… my husband had to walk into an area that was full of Hispanics… he was not molested. Not far from where we were staying was a McDonalds that had to hire armed guards, and it was in the black neighbourhood. Where we lived in Fairborn was a mostly white neighbourhood. The only crime in the area was committed by black people who did not belong in the area… and that crime included a murder.
          However, what really left a bad impression happened to be a neigbourhood near Philadelphia. There was something that had my instinct saying “lock the car doors”. The feeling was that bad!!

          • JE_Reading says:

            Aussie. It’s interesting that you said this. I was going to mention that I think ethnic/race/cultural differences are also geographical defined by additional difference (or indifference). I once knew a young, black teen from the rural southwest that had to move to DC. Within the first month he was begging his parents to let him “go live with grandma back in Texas.” His family’s economic circumstances didn’t really change but the landscape did and this young man was ill equipped to deal with violence of his own culture in an urban setting. The boy “never got used to it” and never really assimilated. At one point, although he remained in DC for the duration of the school year, after some mishaps that put him at physical risk, his parents allowed him to move back to the rural southwest and finish out high school under his grandmother’s watch.

            • Aussie says:

              Wow, I am pleased to hear that in the end the boy prevailed and he could get out of DC.
              My memory of DC includes watching my husband and the taxi driver rescuing our luggage because it had fallen out of the back of the cab, as a bus was bearing down upon them in the middle of peak hour traffic…!! The really sour memory happens to be that the sky cabs refused to give assistance to us when we were loaded down with children and luggage….

    • tnwahm says:

      Not long after my sister graduated from college and in her first job 20+ years ago, she went to Chicago for a conference for work. She and one of her collegues were going shopping and got off their train at the wrong stop. They could see where they were going ~Michigan Ave~ so they opted to walk. They had at least one person stop them and tell them that they were in the wrong place, it was not safe for them to be walking in that neighborhood and that they should get out ASAP. This was in broad daylight. So yes, there are black neighborhoods where two 20 something girls would not be safe.

      • Susiejoe says:

        I had a similar I will never forget when my husband and I moved to the northeast many many years
        ago. We got lost in Wilmington Delaware. Stopped at
        a gas station to ask for help. The black attendant essentially forced us into our car telling us we were in great danger because of our whiteness and we needed to head a particular way FAST to get out of there. With my very southern heritage and lifentonthat point, I had never experienced such a thing.
        I can’t resist the forums with liberals spouting how our racial problems are “southern” and because of our ways of slavery. I always get banned as a racist because I bring up points and a perspective very few understand that major shatter conventional political correctness. Truth is our whole concepts of our “racist”
        History has been warped and so distorted into lies.
        One poihate will make that is difficult for many is the belief that the emancipation proclamation freed the slaves. It actually did the opposite and guaranteed the states their right to keep slaves. It is online, short, an easy read and says what it says. Another point inwill make Is that one of the largest slave owners in the south at the time of the war of northern aggression was black. And another is that just like whites who fought on both sides of the war, so was true of blacks.
        I usually get that far without being banned but discussion of the Atlantic slave trade is a big major no no. Whites enslaved backs right? Actually not true. Blacks in Africa enslaved blacks! That business existed before this country and it still exists today. See Africa was like parts
        Of Wilmington Delaware. No mans land for a white person. Slaves were traded in port cities. (remember Obama standing at a port in Kenya? Promoting the lies and shame of Whiteman”? The purchasing merchants were Jewish or financed by Jews. They purchased, shipped, and sold all over the world, including the new Americas. By the time of the war, importing slaves was illegal but it went on anyway. And the brokers for those merchants of human product, we’re in the north. and who bought the product of their labor? The northern textile miles who were working women and children
        To death. Or so the drama.
        Another line of discussion I sometimes
        take is about what all those freed slaves did when they achieved their freedom. And what their great liberators of civil
        Rights (federal troops) did when after they had butchered and destroyed the southern “slave” owners. How many here have a clue?
        Well civil rights liberators moved west to then achieve General Sherman’s and the FEDERAL GOV’s policies of total genocide against the native American Indian. How many know what really happened to the buffalo? Ever hear of the Buffalo Soldiers? One way to destroy a culture is to destroy their food supply. And to destroy a race, you must destroy the female and children Last year in my state, some wanted to do a license plate in honor of those buffalo Soldiers (black nobels who helped found this country). Well some of the native American groups protested to our legislature. To quote simply, they argued that the Buffalo Soldiers had been genocidal racists. that is not to say that they blame the “blacks” for mans inhumanity towards man. It rather is to say we are not honest about the truth and they are the few remaining to yet speak it.
        So to MLK and his girlfriends as if they matter, it is not about ones skin color. It is about the content of their character.

      • JE_Reading says:

        Happened to my 21 year old son as well. Missed the stop on the el train and ended up somewhere on South Harlem. The trio couldn’t GET back on the train fast enough (thank god!). I grew up in Chicago before moving to the southern states and was quick to tell him – go here but don’t go there. He laughed at my hand highlighted map back then but reads everything I email him now!

    • Before I go on, let’s state the obvious: Slavery of anyone by anyone is abhorrent.
      Now…
      The FAcTS are that black educational-accomplishment actually peaked in the 1920’s, and black economic-accomplishment peaked in the late-’50s/early ’60s!
      Not only was this prior to the “civil rights” era, but most notably prior to the “welfare state.”
      By **EVERY SINGLE MEASURE**, blacks were better off as a group in the 1920s (and DEFINITELY in the decade preceding “civil rights” than they are today!
      BUT JUST **TRY** to tell black folks they were better off “in the bad-old-days” and they’ll think you’ve lost your mind!
      OTOH, they can sit wherever they want on the bus now, so all that other stuff really isn’t important… (rolleyes)
      In short, 99% of everything you (think you) “know” about race in America is utter Taurus-Fimus – propagated by The Left to keep themselves in power!
      Fred Reed’s “Letter From a Dead Racist” is IMHO one of the best things ever written on the subject.
      The sad fact is that while “The Plan” probably wasn’t this explicit, the democRAT party *WAS* the party of Jim crow, Segregation and The Klan, and how they’ve ever managed to convince millions of people that they’re on THEIR side is simply stunning!
      The reality is that they don’t WANT to solve black folks’ problems, because then they would lose their power!
      Meanwhile, those who REALLY DO want to help – by discouraging dependency and all the things that cause it, instead stressing all the things that lift people PERMANENTLY out of poverty – are demonized as “nazi racists” and worse!
      I have no love for the Retardlican party – at this point they’re BOTH only (at BEST) two wings on the same bird of prey, two branches of The Government Party – but at least they have a genuine HISTORY of doing what’s best for *EVERYONE* in our Republic!!
      The TRUTH is that EVERYONE was better off under our proper Constitutional Government and genuine lassiez-faire Capitalism! These are the things that made America great, and the ONLY things that will save us from this hell of our own making!
      The BIGGEST problem we have now is that we have created multiple generations of people with no history – and even no real KNOWLEDGE – of self-reliance… and I know that I’m not alone when I say that I just don’t see how we can fix that without some seriously ugly times…
      Regardless, we definitely can NOT fix it by continuing to do the same stupid things!!

      • OOps!
        cRAP!
        Would a MOD please add a “” after the 4th word (“…Racist”) in my accidental super-link above?

        • Susiejoe says:

          Dad. You make good points. Yes Jim crow came in the 20s. And the KKK was democratic. Going back to the war of northern aggression, when it ended, northern troops took control of all Southern governments, occupied the south with carpet naggers and scalawags. All Lincoln’s party – Republican. The KKK was formed by the democratic party as a strong arm to ensure no southerner voted or aided those daxm Yankees – black or white.
          After Reconstruction ended, the KKK disbanded. It was resurrected in the 1920s, but not just in the south. It was throughout the country. And it again, was democratic, progressives who embraced Darwin and Marxism. I’m sorry but the history and complexities of human thought are too complicated for a few sentences here, but the ideas were of racial supremacy but not simply those of whites. The more important point is that they were embraced by the “liberal” progressives.

          • 2ntense says:

            Susiejoe, throw into the mix… Margaret Sanger and her bunch.

            • Susiejoe says:

              Yes Margaret Sanger who FDR thought was cool and dead on. She advocated what liberals actually advocate today. Selective breeding!!

    • DizzyMissL says:

      Great post Fathomable. The thing is that it is the liberals fault (and the RINOs) that things are the way they are right now. I love seeing the light bulb come on when I explain to black folks what liberals have done to them.

    • Aussie says:

      I think that the way you are now thinking is on the right track. You have hit upon something.
      What I think is that the damage is being done in the schools. The children are getting a false historical narrative and that is feeding the hatred and everything that is happening right now.
      Maybe you need to think about who is behind the false historical narrative and how those people are hurting the USA as a nation…. I would start looking at William Ayers and his curricula.

      • Susiejoe says:

        Aussie. You are very right – at least to what is going on here in the US as far as race. I think you are in Australia, correct me
        If i am Wrong. Yes the kids here are getting a false historical perspective, but there is much more to it. First from the very start, they are classified and categorized by qualities of their skin color and “race”. Right when they walk in the door!! And it continues with each “victimized” group getting special “weeks” of recognition. And in order to indoctrinate them as to their persecuted status, their persecutor is targeted as the white male – as if that 8 year old white male has done shet at that point in his life. And his sin is not only to everyone of color but it is to all females.
        I started my kids in a Multiracial school thinking that was a
        Good way to raise them without racial barriers. Boy was I wrong.
        I got so mad that the public schools actually teach racism – how we are different, not alike. So I put my kids in private Christian school where they were taught that Jesus loves all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and white. Just as I was raised. O

    • Jan.C says:

      Powerful post, Fathomable. It closely reflects how I’ve come to feel over the last few years. Especially the few sentences at the end: “I guess I’m just done caring. Done making excuses. Whatever legitimate points can be made in regard to that, the time for making them is over. The time for change in the black community is here, whether that’s from within or without… i don’t know. But the level of criminality and/or covering for the criminality of others is unacceptable and I don’t care about the reasons for it anymore I just want it to stop.”
      My mother was the biggest influence in my life growing up and she was a lifelong Democrat and relatively liberal. But the older I get, the more the right I move on issues I see as essentially about personal responsibility. I’m sick of the scapegoating, the excuse-making, and the rationalizing. I’m also sick of the holier-than-thou attitude of the white guilt crowd.

    • Aussie says:

      nice to know that your feelings and thoughts on the subject are quite normal and shared by a broad brush of people.

      • Kyozokuninja says:

        It’s very sad to have to face up to the fact that certain groups have pushed the envelope in such a drastic way that we can no longer hope it is just a small percentage that feel that everyone ‘owes’ them everything they demand. I have drifted gradually from the left to the middle and, now, find myself filled up to the chin with spoiled manipulators.

        • Aussie says:

          it is better to be in the middle than being either left or right.
          What most people do not understand is that “left” and “right” in politics is like a false construct. Conservative people can have liberal ideas but it is the older liberal values that relates to real freedoms and to capitalism.
          Europe in the 1920s-30s was supposed to be about the left-right dichotomy. However, if you look very closely at the ideology of those who were allegedly right wing, their values were no different from those considered to be left wing. In other words, Nazism was to the right of Communism but was also left of centre.
          I see the same thing today in my own country. The right wing of the ALP is still left of centre. On the extreme left you have both the Communists (Marxists) and the Greens. It is hard to make the distinction because the Greens are in fact Watermelons (red on the inside and green on the outside). Their values remain Marxist. Our current Prime Minister, the most hated Juliar Dullard (Gillard) is a Marxist. She has been destroying the economy of Australia. She is on the left of her party, but she is supported by the right wing of the ALP.
          Then there are the conservatives and middle of the road people. We tend to flock to the Liberal Party because they seem to represent our values the best, even though they are likewise not perfect.

          • Kyozokuninja says:

            I’m not left,
            I’m not right,
            I’m in the middle,
            I’m just right. 😀
            A bow to you, Aussie!

            • Aussie says:

              I like that little poem.
              I think that some of the new friends here fit perfectly as middle of the road people. What binds us happens to be an issue of justice.
              I have seen this happen in the past when we stood up for the rights of Teri Schiavo…when we wanted her family to have the right to care for her… then I learned another lesson as to how disparate groups can work together such as Right to Life and Abortion advocates who are in fact against the use of RU486. Yes that was a powerful lesson because what brought us together happened to be a belief that RU486 is more dangerous to the expectant mother than some of the available forms of abortion!!

  16. ctdar says:

    Anyone catch the men’s watch Mommy dearest is wearing on left hand @5.40 in? Wonder if was gift from Trayvon from a jewlery heist?? Kinda looks like a Rolex but
    fake or real deal?

  17. Shari says:

    Ronald Fulton is the Vice Chair for the Miami Dade Commision on Disibility Issues. (CODI)
    Commissioner Moss, District 9
    Ronald Fulton  – First Vice Chair
    http://www.miamidade.gov/internalservices/commission-disability-members.asp

  18. Susiejoe says:

    Can’t help but wonder what put Richard Fulton in a wheel chair. Car
    Accident? Shooting? I mean, he is a in very sad state. And then there is Cory Johnson dead at 36. ???

  19. MikadoCat says:

    Saw this, maybe old news, Sybrina’s dad was a cop in Miami.
    Speakers included Trayvon’s parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, who together with the Second Chance Campaign presented the task force with 375,000 signatures of people who want the law reformed.
    “I am not saying get rid of it. Please amend it, review it,” Fulton said, stressing that her father was a Miami police officer who kept a gun in the house. “I do not have anything against weapons. I grew up with a weapon in the house.”
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/12/2845374/jude-to-task-force-clarify-self.html#moreb#storylink=cpy

  20. I truly believe that Travon was involved in a Gang. That was the direction he was going with his life. He was kicked out of school and why wasn’t those burgelary tools he had on him reported to the Media?? on school property??? What was he doing in that neighborhood to begin with. The truth well come out and Zimmerman well be vindicated. His life is already ruined thanks to the Media. I also believe that Zimmerman was shot in self defense. Travon had him pinned down and beating on him.

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