Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed

UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Treeper Diwataman, has done an amazing job deconstructing the video evidence and now uncovered a considerably interesting aspect of Trayvon Martin’s visit to the 7-11 by using the raw feed video from the evidence release, not the media edited versions.

Trayvon checked out from “his” purchase at 6:24.   But as this video highlights he didn’t leave right away.   About a minute after he walks out, 3 other rather dubious characters walk in.  After they make their purchases and leave at 6:29 Trayvon is seen walking away outside the building. (*The narrator of this video is not associated with the Treehouse, he is an independent U-Tube video guy, and yes, he curses at the end. Sorry)

So what was Trayvon waiting outside for? And what did Trayvon and the 3 stooges coordinate after they left? Why did he wait around outside for approximately 5 minutes after he exited the 7-11? Obviously “occams Razor” would infer that he got something from one or more of the 3 stooges and then headed home.

Indeed in watching the video, it does appear that Trayvon is walking away partially backwards while departing with a farewell of sorts. Curious.

Update: Yep, definitely looks like Trayvon. In this angle you can definitely see his Khaki pants and watch him turn around headed back in the direction of Twin Lakes.

As far as what he asked Curly (the white guy – one of the 3 stooges) to buy. That question appears answered in the following video. Curly is holding the two bills that Trayvon held in his hand when he exited the building. Curly buys a blunt for Trayvon, and one more, presumably for himself, then after a pause he buys another and then heads outside while Moe (wearing a hoodie like Kenny from Southpark) makes his purchase with a debit card. Apparently while Moe is paying, Curly is outside giving Trayvon the Blunts.

 

Blunts are cigars that can be hollowed out ready to be filled with “Weed”.  They are available at just about any gas, or convenience station and used by marijuana smokers instead of rolling papers.

Trayvon’s “blunt use” was well known to his friends, and close circle, some of them even posted pictures in memorial of Trayvon after his death as captured below courtesy of Wagist:

Here is a video from Diwataman putting the entire thing together:

So lets recap what we know factually:

When checking out Trayvon put two dollar bills in his hand carrying the bag.

Trayvon finished his purchase at 6:24 and left the store.

A minute later, 6:25, Larry, Moe, and Curly enter the store.

Curly has two dollar bills in his hand, and initially buys two Blunts.

Curly decides to buy another blunt and goes into his own wallet for more money.

Curly leaves the building around 6:28 while Moe is checking out.

50 Seconds Later at 6:29 Trayvon is seen walking back toward the Retreat at Twin Lakes saying something in parting to someone standing near the enterance door.

At 6:30pm (according to phone records) Trayvon calls “DeeDee” back.  Presumably while en route back home. Trayvon had his hands-free phone ear buds on when he left.   The Retreat is less than a half mile away.  The actual Brandy Green Townhouse is .60/mile away.

Approximately 35-40 minutes after Trayvon leaves the 7-11 George Zimmerman sees Trayvon entering the retreat via the walk through “shortcut”.   At  7:09 George Zimmerman calls police while watching Trayvon at/near the “Club House”.

Trayvon is shot at 7:17pm according to the shot heard on the 911 call tapes.  

It took Trayvon 40 minutes to walk less than 1/2 mile from the 7-11 (6:29pm to 7:09pm) to the clubhouse while talking to DeeDee?    

The Skittles and Watermelon Juice were found on Trayvon’s body when he was shot, but not the blunts.

The hands-free phone ear buds were in his pocket when he was shot, as was the button he was wearing.

Speculation:

    • It took Trayvon 40 minutes to walk the distance between the 7-11 and the Clubhouse because he paused to roll the blunts, and maybe smoke one.
    • Black urban street kids familiar with the kind of lifestyle Trayvon led DO NOT run from “white-Hispanic” dude strangers sitting in pick-up trucks; they run from one thing, THE LAW.  
    • Trayvon thought GZ was security, a cop, or was about to bring the law into the picture;  and that’s why he walked over and checked out the car.  He recognized Zimmerman was on the phone reporting “him”. 
    • After circling the SUV, and considering that “authorities” were en route,  Trayvon took off running to ditch any contraband either at home, or nearby. 
    • He probably made it home because he told DeeDee on the phone he was “at his dads house”.
    • After he ditched the contraband, he told DeeDee “he was not running” no more and went to confront the guy he saw getting out of his truck.  
    • Trayvon prepared by putting his loose items in his pockets readying himself for a confrontation if needed, (ear buds, button from hoodie, etc).  [question? was the button vulgar?]
    • Trayvon was considerate of the potential for Police to already be there, he also knew Dad and Girlfriend were not home.   This could be potentially worrisome if police questioned him.  Removing the button, ditching the contraband, etc allowed him to present himself visually as no issue.
    • Keeping the Arizona Watermelon and Skittles on him provided him something to point too as reference if questioned about whereabouts by the police.
    • If busted for being “under the influence”, or he couldn’t shake off the cops Q&A successfully, better to be away from the house.   Dad/Brandy ain’t there, Trayvon was already in trouble for drugs at school, and this could potentially be trouble.
    • If he couldn’t talk his way out of anything, better to be away from home base. 
    • Trayvon headed back up the pathway toward the “T” where the sidewalks meet, near witness “John’s” townhouse.
    • If the cops were there he could play it off as an overzealous white dude calling the police on him for no good reason.  Mix in some faux-racist outrage and turn the conversation onto Zimmerman Profiling him for calling the cops.
    • But the cops were not there.  Yet.
    • When he saw Zimmerman he began the conversation by saying “hey man, what the f**k’s your problem, what the f**k you looking at”?
    • Zimmerman responded tennatively, somewhat fearful, somewhat like an “uh-oh” reaction, blew off the initial confrontation from Trayvon, and reached for his phone again to call the police.
    • Frustrated and feeling profiled for no-good-reason, (mindset “what you wanna call the cops on me for”?… this busy body Zimmerman is bringing grief for nothing.   He should mind his own damn businesss.)   In his mind, and in actuality, Trayvon was no threat to anyone.   This dude calling the cops on him just pissed him off.  Part anger mixed with a high dose of frustration. 
    • It went downhill from there.

That scenario is speculation, but does fit the timelines and physical evidence known.

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498 Responses to Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed

  1. DiwataMan says:

    Something odd has occurred to me regarding the timeline. If we take DD’s interview, Trayvon’s call logs, George’s call, and we know what time Trayvon left the 711, then it appears to me George spotted Trayvon at apx. 6:50 and made his call at 7:09. That’s apx. 20 minutes. We don’t have George’s statements so we don’t know what he said aside from the fact of where he saw Trayvon entering. If this is correct I have to ask; if George was sitting there parked on the street for apx. 15 minutes why would Trayvon think it had anything to do with him? The way I’m reading this, all Trayvon saw was someone drive down Twin Tress lane and park for 15 minutes, decides who ever it is, is watching him and runs off. This also begs the big question of how they are accusing George of “creating” the situation and therefore he’s supposedly guilty of second degree murder, uh, the guy is just sitting in his truck, but I digress. Well here’s a rough description below, I’m still trying to make it more comprehensive but just wanted to get it out there for now.

    Trayvon is on the phone with dd at 6:49 (4 minute call).

    George observes Trayvon walk into the community through the shortcut between the townhomes between 6:49-6:51 then sees Trayvon run towards the clubhouse and loses sight of Trayvon as he goes behind the trees around the mailbox area. (DD gives no indication that Trayvon is aware of George at this point)

    As Trayvon runs between 6:51:01 to 6:52:00 he loses connection with dd.

    At apx. 6:52, George has lost sight of Trayvon so he drives to Twin trees lane, spots and passes Trayvon hanging around the mailboxes, goes down to the cut through, turns around and parks (Again, DD gives no indication that Trayvon is aware of George at this point).

    Trayvon reconnects with DD at 6:54 (18 minute call).

    George calls at 7:09:34 (4 minute call).

    DD states a couple of minutes into the call (connection time could be between 6:54:00 to 6:54:59), Trayvon states George is watching him and that George is on the phone and identifies him as white (I find it difficult to believe that Trayvon is actually able to identify George as white and on the phone given the lighting conditions and that George is in his SUV assumingly at some distance, I guess the dome light could be on or something, who knows). Sometime near the end of Trayon’s call (call ends between 7:11:01 to 7:12:00) he indicates to DD that he’s going to start walking and then the phone disconnects. At apx. 7:11 Trayvon seems to be very close to George’s SUV, George sounds nervous but then calms as Trayvon walks away towards the EW sidewalk.

    (7:10:31) Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming towards me
    (7:10:56) Zimmerman: Yup, he’s coming to check me out
    (7:10:59) Zimmerman: He’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.
    (7:11:02) Dispatcher: Just let me know if…[Zimmerman interrupts]…he does anything, ok?
    Zimmerman:[unintelligible]…get an officer over here.
    (7:11:04) Dispatcher: Yeah we’ve got someone on the way.
    (7:11:06) Dispatcher: Just let me know if this guy does anything else (7:11:09) Zimmerman: Okay. (George begins to calm)

    DD calls back between 7:12:00 to 7:12:59, she asks him what he’s doing and he said he’s walking and that George is still watching, behind him and that he’s about to run from the back because it’s more easier, then he ran,

    George states at 7:11:40 “Shit, he’s running,

    Trayvon says he lost George so he started walking again, she told him to run, he said he aint gonna run cuz he right by father house.

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    • splat! says:

      Run that scenario with George slowing down to observe Trayvon while he is still on Retreat View. Trayvon notices. Tells Dee-Dee. Then George turns right on Twin Trees, slowly driving and then going down the street to turn around, He parks at the cut-through, and this is when George places his call. He has observed enough to determine this guy is suspicious. Trayvon tells Dee-Dee “he’s back”.

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      • DiwataMan says:

        DeeDee gives us no indication that Trayvon is aware of George until sometime has passed as George is parked down the street.

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        • John Galt says:

          DeeDee also gave us no indication that St. Skittles was on a mission to procure sizzurp and blunts.

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        • splat! says:

          Yes, but I’m not seeing a beginning reference point that would be that exact. And, what if Trayvon doesn’t mean he’s right by his father’s house. What if he means, he’s right by the row that his father’s house is in. I’m just trying to explore possibilities. Anyway, if that scenario doesn’t work out right, it doesn’t. I’ll go back to DD interview again for a retake. Appreciate very much all the work you have put in on this.

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          • splat! says:

            Ok, I do hear DD at timestamp 2:28 say he ran to the mail thing; at 2:43, he ran so the phone hung up and she called him back again; and at 3:30 the phone hung up and she called him back again.

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          • DiwataMan says:

            Oh no, definitely, have at it and speculate, lord knows I do, but it’s through our speculation we find things like when exactly Trayvon left the 711. Let me also say I don’t think everything I have written in this new scenario is of course fact, I mean we’re using DeeDee here, lol, and we don’t have Geoge’s statements to police. Well here it is in video form, enjoy.

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    • jimrtex says:

      “DeeDee” said he left the store, and then jumps to him running to the “Mail Shed” and the phone hung up. She called him back, and then some time later he was walking, and the phone hung up. The chase happened and just after she heard the sound of grass, the phone hung up.

      Martin apparently made two outbound calls to her: 6:30-6:43 (just after he is seen leaving the vicinity of the 7-11; and 6:45-6:50.

      in both cases it appears that there was an inbound call that caused Martin to hand up and then call back. These were 6:41-6:45 and 6:49-6.53. After 6:53 call, there were two one-minute calls at 6:53 and 6:54. Then there was the 6:54-7:12 call, which was inbound, and the 7:12-7:16 call.

      There is also a 6:46-6:48 outbound call in the middle of the other outbound call, and an in-bound 7:04-7:05 call during the other calls. If text messages are in Pacific Time, there was a text message at 7:08. So after leaving the store, there were 4 non-DeeDee calls and one text message after leaving the 7-11.

      DeeDee says that Martin ran for the mail shed and the phone hung up, and she called back. And that he started walking and the phone hung up (this would be the 6:54-7:12 call). She called back and the chase call, when she heard the grass, and a faint Trayvon voice of “let me up” (because the push had knocked his headphones off)

      So this would mean it was the 6:54 call from Martin; or possibly the 6:45-6:50 call, where he reached the mail shed. But if if it is the 6:45-6:50 call, that was terminated because he had another call, and it would mean that the 6:53 call was

      Some time during this time he perceived a white guy in a car talking on the phone, and then started walking. She never says anything about Zimmerman following in the car.

      Zimmerman said that he had text’ed his sister before leaving for the store, so there should be a time stamp for when he left.

      The Crump interview with “DeeDee” is crap. It appears to be recording from a speaker phone with a bad connection. It appears that DeeDee was being placed on hold, and then the recording stopped, and then it comes back on she is in mid-sentence.

      In the BDLR interview, he avoids trying to tie anything down.

      The period from the time he left the store until he runs for the mail shed is 5:30-6:09 in the BDLR interview. The next call, which has to be 6:54-7:12, Martin was under the shed, then after a “couple of minutes”, Martin said a man was watching him, he was white, and was sitting in his car talking on his phone. Martin said he was going to start walking and the phone hung up.(6:09-7:10 in BDLR interview).

      She calls back and says (the mans still folliowing him behind the car; he put his hoodie on because it was still dripping a little bit, and he’s going “to run from the back, and she told him to run to his da[d]‘s place. I think all of this was actually during the previous call (7:10-7:47 BDLR).

      Martin says he’s going to run from the back because [unintelligible]. The next thing she knew he was running and she could hear the wind blowing. And then he said that he had lost him. He lost him and he was breathing hard. And then his voice kind of changed like he is scared. And then she goes back to say that he lost him and was then breathing hard, and then in a “couple of …” She is trying to put a couple of minutes in here but then jumps back to where he was running.

      At 8:56 in the BDLR interview DeeDee says, “he’s right by his da[d]‘s home. He keep running to his daddy’s house.”

      BDLR interrupts and says “Let me make sure that I understand this, He’s saying he is ‘right by his ass’, meaning the man is right by Trayvon”.

      She is quite forceful in her denial, as if to say NO you’re not listening.

      DeeDee says, “NO, He lost the guy”,
      BDLR “OK”,
      DeeDee, “and then he ran from the back”,
      BDLR “right”
      DeeDee. “he said he lost him”
      BDLR “OK”
      DeeDee “he started walking back again”
      BDLR “OK”

      Obviously he didn’t lose Zimmerman and then run from the back and lose him a second time. But rather, he lost the guy, and this is how he did it: ran from “the back” (long enough for him to be breathing hard), and to have lost him, so that he could start walking. But why did she say he started walking back again?

      DeeDee “and I told him to keep running”
      BDLR “So Trayvon started walking because he thought he had lost the guy”
      DeeDee “yeah”
      BDLR “OK”
      DeeDee “so I said keep running”
      BDLR “OK”
      DeeDee “he say he ain’t going to run”
      BDLR “OK”
      DeeDee “because he say he is right by his father’s house”
      BDLR “OK”
      DeeDee “so in a couple of minutes (breath) he said the man is following him again, behind him.

      So at this point he had run from the back (behind Zimmerman’s truck?, good interview BDLR), long enough to be winded and to have lost Zimmerman and to continue walking because he said he is right by his Dad’s place. But later when Zimmerman is apparently running him down, Martin is not going to run because he was tired, not because he had lost him and was by Dad’s house.

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      • DizzyMissL says:

        When she says that he ran from the back, do you think that means he ran from his dad’s house to where Z was?

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  2. Bill says:

    i agree. It wasn’t the attack itself but the ferocity of the attack. anyway would you buy pot from these three jokers?

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  5. myopiafree says:

    There are two major aspects to this case:
    1) The objective facts as to what ACTUALLY HAPPENED. They were a) GZ punched in the nose by TM for no good reason. b) the average person, punched in the nose, is STUNNED. Proof for this was GZ’s broken and bleeding nose. This is enough for an assault and battery charge against TM. c) GZ went down on his back, i.e., wet and grass stained back. TM then “practiced” martial arts on GZ. GZ was in fear of his life. (Self-defense requires that you be in fear). This is ALL that it take for a G. J. to acquit. They do NOT have to know TM’s “state of mind”. But, all of us wonder WHY TM DID IT? The question is ‘what was in this bone-head’s mind that he attacked – when there was no reason to do so’. GZ is innocent. But we do have to make an “educated guess” about what was in TM’s “buzzed out” mind. Therefore
    2) SunDance> “Frustrated and feeling profiled for no-good-reason, (mindset “what you wanna call the cops on me for”?… this busy body Zimmerman is bringing grief for nothing. He should mind his own damn businesss.) In his mind, and in actuality, Trayvon was no threat to anyone. This dude calling the cops on him just pissed him off. Part anger mixed with a high dose of frustration.
    It went downhill from there.”
    Otis> This is where the “high” or “empowerment” or “paranoia” from a drug “kicks in”. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO. As you said, this is “speculation” – but I think it is very accurate. GZ was a Hispanic-Black (with “white” mixed in”). This incident HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. It has everything to do with TM’s love affair with drugs.
    Otis> The rational mind likes to make up the MOST PLASABEL EXPLANATION for events that are very hard to understand. Yes (a long time ago) I had friends (not violent) had this “reaction”. But this drug in TM produced a violent over-reaction. Your analysis of part 2 – explains it exactly. This probably will not help GZ, but it truly removes the racial part of “depraved indifference” (of a presumed racists) in Corey’s charge. THAT is why your analysis is so very important in this up-coming trial.

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    • THEIFAM says:

      Isn’t the action/reaction that you ascribe to Trayvon, that he punched GZ in the nose for no good reason, based upon the exclusive version of that event from GZ? Is there any other witness that saw the two come together before anything physical happened? And given GZ’s severe credibility issues, do you think O’Mara and West can risk banking their case on the version of a person who has demonstrated that he plays loose with the facts?

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  7. Somuchtolearn says:

    It won’t let me reply directly to anyones posts, so I am going to try this angle before resorting the to the phone mic again, or throw the laptop out the window of my doosday bunker lol. BARNSLAYER– Don’t forget “Crack is WHACK” but I guess thed Gangsta lean is ok.

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  8. Question: What do you think the possibility is that whatever contraband (blunts, weed etc.) Trayvon hid, planning to get back later, would still be there somewhere hidden?

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  9. All this to show he bought a blunt wrap? if he did…so what? He smokes weed so he is less likely to be violent or want any confrontation..ok, I get it now and yea you’ve made a pretty good case.

    And the other guy, the shooter, was on drugs which specifically say “may increase either suicidal or homicidal tendency”….so I guess this does have some clout.

    Will have to take all this into consideration but, i’ve yet to hear anybody state-if I think I am being followed, then somebody comes running at me I have the right to defend myself. Travon should have had a gun and all would be well, as that would be the proper use of self defense.

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    • Trayvon was too young to legally posess a firearm. Are you suggesting that in addition to breaking the law regarding drug use that he would have been better off to have broken the law and also be in posession of a firearm?

      Secondly within your comment there is a massive presumption brought on by the false narrative surrounding the Main Stream Media .

      ……” if I think I am being followed, then somebody comes running at me I have the right to defend myself “…..

      Most certainly this would be correct. But who exactly do you presume is running at whom?

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    • “All this to show he bought a blunt wrap? …”
      No,Genius – “All this” IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH – which *YOU* clearly wouldn’t know if it ran out of the darkness and punched you in the face – breaking your nose and knocking you flat on the back on the ground – then proceeded to mount you and “Do a ground & pound – like MMA Style” – including pounding your head into a curb until you were beaten nearly unconscious.

      YOU KNOW – LIKE YOUR BOY “SKITTLES” DID TO JORGE ZIMMERMAN.

      “…if he did…so what? He smokes weed so he is less likely to be violent or want any confrontation…”

      UNLESS HE’S A HABITUAL USER OF DXM – IN WHICH CASE IT COULD ACTUALLY *INCREASE* HIS PROPENSITY FOR VIOLENCE.

      Which you’d know if you’d read anything else on this site before bringing your brilliant — really — BRILLIANT opinions to all of us ignorant rubes.

      Listen, Son – the grown-ups are trying to have a conversation.

      If you’re going to join in HERE, you need to bring your “A” Game — and… well… it’s pretty clear you don’t have one, so…

      Why don’t you just go back over to Puff-Ho or wherever you usually hang out, do a few bong-hits and then you and your friends can tell each other how smart you are — Mm-kay?

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    • Sandusky says:

      Arthur, do you have some stats that you could give us (with links to the source, please) on the incidence of suicidal/homicidal tendencies for Adderall and temazepam? Any additional details re age and gender factors or any other risk factors such as long-term usage, and whether the meds were being taken as prescribed, would also be appreciated. My impression is that these side effects are rare and that when they do occur, it’s almost always in quite young patients. However, I could be wrong.

      Sundance, I know I copy/pasted a lot of info for both these drugs recently but when I search the archives for Adderall, I come up with nothing; ditto when searching for temazepam. Is there a delay before stuff shows up in the archives?

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    • Sharon says:

      If you click through Arthur’s name to his FB page, you’ll see that he believes the United States is involved in terrorist activity against the nation of Columbia. He has a perspective about our nation in general that is possibly influencing his comments regarding the events surrounding Trayvon Martin’s death. ;)

      Arthur Stordahl commented on a link.
      May 11
      Quite simply makes their country safer from our ongoing terrorist activities, which hit the bottom people the worst. They do not need to live in a blanket of toxins we spray, which likely amnt to the same as putting small farmers out of buis here-so big agra can step up.
      Colombia passes 1st draft of drug crop legalization bill
      colombiareports.com
      The Colombian House of Representatives passes the first draft of a bill that seeks to legalize illicit crops.

      ADD: It may be that Mr. Stordahl does not want the flow of drugs from Columbia inhibited, restricted or reduced. Dunno.

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    • ctdar says:

      There is no proof that GZ was on any medication that night, none.
      Don’t ya think after assessing the scene, 5+ hours of interrogation & observation that if LE thought there was any chance that he was on meds they would have drug tested him, especially in a situation like that night?
      Keep trying to spin tho Artie, lol, it’s the only thing you can do.

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    • Bob says:

      Oh I’m sure St Skittles would have had a gun,,,After killing Mr. Zimmerman. That would have increased his cred of being NO_LIMIT_NIGGA to the rest of his thug buddies.

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  10. conservalicious says:

    The thing is that there is no evidence that George “came running at Trayvon”. This was covered in the bail hearing where the lead detective admitted that there was no evidence to show that Zimmerman confronted Trayvon.

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    • John Galt says:

      Not to mention that “came running at” is not the pertinent legal standard for justifiable use of deadly force pursuant to Florida statutes.

      “Travon should have had a gun and all would be well, as that would be the proper use of self defense.”

      No, Trayvon should have refrained from assaulting and repeatedly beating GZ’s head against the sidewalk and TM would still be smoking blunts and sipping sizzurp to this day. There is no evidence that GZ did anything whatsoever that would have justified TM in physically assaulting GZ.

      http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20776

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      • myopiafree says:

        THE ISSUE OF “PROBABLE CAUSE”. The issue of “Justifiable” is perhaps the most difficult “sticking point”. Who judges?? Are there any lawyers on “TreeHouse” who would like to clarify these statements?

        SYG> (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

        Otis> While we will “argue” about this, GZ SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CHARGED – until probable cause could have been established. GZ was ARRESTED (in handcuffs), but had to be released – until charges (i.e., Grand Jury) had been developed.
        Otis> In fact, this NORMAL process was being developed by Norm Wolfinger. Had the G.J. reviewed the excellent Sanford Police data (that we see only a part of), I am certain that 12 men of the G. J. would have agreed that self-defense WAS JUSTIFIED. If that truth caused “hoodie riots” – so be it.

        SYG> (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection

        Otis> The Grand Jury (almost certainly) would have denied “probable cause”. That would have allowed GZ to recover his costs of loss of job and attorney fees. It would have ended Crumps fibs and this (presumed) racial incident.

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  11. MRM says:

    so, bits and pieces of a song have been running through my head since reading the first of these posts, and I finally remembered enough of the lyrics to find it…. anyone remember a song called “Be Thankful… for what you’ve got” by Winston Curtis (or The Winstons – not sure which)? some of the lyrics are: “Diamond in the back, sunroof top, diggin’ the scene with a gangsta’ lean….”
    This song is from the ’70s. Did people use “lean” back then??? or did “lean” mean something different back then?

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    • John Galt says:

      apparently referred to driver posture

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gangsta%20lean

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    • I think they were referring to the tendency of certain types to put the car-seat all the way back and lean way over on the arm-rest or window…

      Urban Dictionary says “The way in which a ‘gangster’ sits in the driving seat of his ‘ride’. ie, leaning towards the passenger seat, with one arm resting on the glove/tape box in the middle, the other hand on top of the wheel and head ducked low under the rearview.

      Like this – but backwards…:

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      • MRM says:

        Thanks D-Dad and John Galt. I guess that’s what I always assumed, but it stuck in my head as a word I wasn’t completely sure about. I always forget about the Urban Dictionary …

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  12. fedup says:

    Someone may have mentioned this already as I haven’t read all the posts, but in the discovery on page 20 it says that the photo pin was still on the jacket and that the earphones were close to Trayvon’s body. I know I read at least 3 other places in discovery that the earphones were in his pocket so it could be that somewhere it says the pin was too. It’s confusing as some pages contridict other pages. According to Trayvon’s mom the photo pin was a picture of a dead relative, a grandfather or something , and Trayvon wore it off and on, whenever the mood hit him. Being suspicious minded I would think when dealing with druggies over the phone by word of mouth “I’ll be the one with the button on my jacket” kind of thing. The tea was listed as in the middle pocket of Trayvon’s jacket and the earphones in about 3 places as being in his pocket and yet in one place as being close to him. How confusing. I wonder how the tea got out of the plastic bag and in his “center” pocket, whatever that means.

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    • Lulu says:

      Pullover hoodies have a kangaroo pouch pocket on the front – the zipper only goes down part way from the neck opening.

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  13. splat! says:

    A couple of links so as not to lose them.
    This article is the one that references the gate being blocked by LE cars, and also that Trayvon had been there before and played football with boys in the neighborhood.

    and

    Chad’s father’s 15 minutes of fame:
    WFTV Chad’s Pa
    Notes from interview:
    They was in the house,. . . he was playing a game, watching tv; Trayvon ‘d be on his phone a lot.
    at halftime of the all star game, trayvon was going to the store to get a drink and he asked Chad, , what do you want back. and chad told him i’ll take a pack of skittles. . . Chad never heard anything back. he made some phone calls to his mother and to some other people . . . .he never heard back from Trayvon. he had no idea of what was going on. he went to school the next day, nobody came and talked to him;. . . Chad didn’t know Trayvon was deceased until he got out of school the next day. . . . He knew it was something wrong, because Trayvon never returned with the skittles.

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    • John Galt says:

      gold teeth, why didn’t I see that coming?

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    • Angel says:

      So the question that begs to be answered, If Chad called his mom who was with Trayvon’s Dad, why didn’t they rush home after Chad expressed concern that Trayvon hadn’t returned home from buying him skittles? Why come home and then assume Trayvon was went his cousin and simply go to bed when 70 yards away from your house is the answer to where Trayvon was? Most importantly, why is Chad’s Father speaking now about it?

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Angel, This is because of Fibber-Crump’s ability to put “stories” in these people. They memorize their “lines”. You can’t put Chad under oath. So, I don’t take these statements too seriously – because, as you realize they DON’T MAKE SENSE.

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      • splat! says:

        To clarify, the first article was written March 25, and Chad’s father was interviewed for an article that appeared March 23.

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        • Lulu says:

          Where was the March 23 interview with Chad’s father published? Have never seen it.

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          • Lulu says:

            Sorry. Reading thread from bottom to top. Just found article link posted up the line. OK to remove my redundant post.

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    • myopiafree says:

      As I understand it – as soon as the Police could identify TM, they contacted Tracy TRACY THE NEXT MORNING, as about 7:30. The sent three cars to Brandi’s condo, and interviewed Tracy. Tracy THOUGHT that the Police were going to show up with Trayvon under arrest. Question 1) Where was Brandi. 2) Where was Chad – that he did not know this. 3) Would not Brandi contact her son about this death of Trayvon. 4) Why to people tell fibs??

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      • ctdar says:

        I think Tracy called LE Monday morning to report Trayvon as missing & that’s when LE showed up & showed him photos for identification purposes.

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      • splat! says:

        One thing I have wondered all along. Why would Tracy think that the police were going to show up with Trayvon under arrest? If Trayvon had been arrested, wouldn’t Tracy have been required to go to the jail and bail him out? When did police start a taxi-service for arrested teenagers? That statement of expectation just blows my mind.

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        • Lulu says:

          Tracy’s story was that he thought maybe TM had hooked up with a “responsible” cousin the night before for a movie or ?. When TM was not home by morning, he called the cousin, who told Tracy he hadn’t seen TM. It was then that Tracy contacted Sanford Police, trying to find out if TM had been arrested and was in custody. At some point they came out. He apparently showed them a photo from his cell phone; they then showed him the morgue photo of the John Doe they had.

          This doesn’t seem unusual (the PD’s coming out) when they’d had a fatal shooting of a young man in the same neighborhood the night before.

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        • Sandusky says:

          What gets me is that as far as I know, Tracy didn’t check the hospitals. To his mind, missing kid = jail as the most likely prospect. Which tells us a lot about Trayvon and arguably tells us a lot about the culture he grew up in, too.

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          • Bob says:

            You know, that what I have not been able to understand. What time did Daddy and future mommy come home that night? Did they not find it unusual to see crime tape and police cars near by their townhouse? Where they too drunk to care or something? Did not Chad tell them about it? Where was he? Did not Daddy not ask where the gounded St Skittles was?

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  14. Susiejoe says:

    To an idea expressed earlier about trayvon possibly visiting SAMs or another drug store, the 7-11 is located at 1125 Rinehart. There is a Cvs at 924 Rinehart. That would be 2 blocks down the street. Could trayvon had gone to the CVS and shoplifted some cough syrup contributing to a possible guilty conscious? Probably too late for Omara to get video from that store.

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    • ejarra says:

      Except that cough syrup wasn’t found on him.

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      • splat! says:

        I am thinking the cough syrup was already at the house. Maybe purchased by Brandy or Tracy. They ran out of the other ingredients. “Chad, do you want Scooby-doo grape or do you want Skittles?.”

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    • jimrtex says:

      It’s a really long “two blocks”. About 1.7 miles round trip from the 7-11.

      If he went elsewhere, it could be WalMart which is north on Rinehart. It doesn’t appear to be real pedestrian friendly. It looks like Sanford makes new businesses put in sidewalks, so there will be a sidewalk, or even a bike trail with a little yellow stripe, and then it just stops. Rinehart is a divided road (grass median) with a 45 MPH, and crosses a freeway, so traffic will be closer to 50. Walking on a shoulder in a dark gray hoodie at night in the rain is not a real good idea, but distance-wise it is possible.

      15-minute mile, you could get there from the 7-11 and back to the clubhouse in 33 minutes (6:29-7:02). Add a few minutes in the store and it possible.

      Close is Target, which is north of Rinehart, with 24 minutes from the 7-11 to Target and to the clubhouse.

      Or he could have gone over to Sams. He might have been coming back a 7:29 when the creepy white guy tried to sell him a cigar. He said no thanks and backed away, but the guy pressed a lighter on him.

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    • Bob says:

      The Sam’s Club is not just another Wal-Mart. You need a membership card to shop there. Something I doubt St Skittles would have. They do not give them out to 17 year olds.

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  15. Bill says:

    Susiejoe I’m looking at your comment and I was wondering why there were two bags picked up as evidence at the crime scene. One is the tan bag from the 7-11 but the other one is white with the words mart visable. I’m not sure where the white one came from. Maybe another store. Go to google and try trayvon martin crime scene photos

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    • Bill says:

      okay forget that. The other bag was used by the officer to stanch blood near travons wound. It was supplied by some bystander and was taken as evidence becus it had trayvons blood on it

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      • Susiejoe says:

        That is a Walmart bag. Walmart is at 1601 Rinehart. 4-5 blocks from the 7-11.

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      • Susiejoe says:

        But he wouldn’t have been able to make a purchase of cough syrup. He had to shoplift it and so, no bag.

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        • Bill says:

          Its possible Tm was mixing weed and cough syrup but the watermelon can was never opened

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          • My thought is that the blunt was smoked on the way home but the candy and watermelon juice and candy were to be mixed with cough syrup back at the condo. Possibly shared with Chad.

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  16. Venus says:

    So the crime scene was cleared before Tracy and Brandy got home that night?

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    • ejarra says:

      Or… (more likely) they never came home until after 3 AM.

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    • Sharon says:

      It takes hours to clear a crime scene….is there any public access to police dispatch records, showing what time the officers on the scene were released back to other duty? It could have been 3, 4 or 5 am before the tape was removed.

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      • jimrtex says:

        The body was removed at 10:10. The news video showed a clump of officers standing around with a body bag in the distance. The police had done a canvass of neighbors and given them written statements to complete (it appears that they probably don’t want patrol officers doing interviews). Serino did a few interviews that night. So it is possible that the last thing to do was remove the body. There might have been some officers on the scene, but they wouldn’t necessarily been any need to have their lights on.

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  17. Eagle says:

    Great site, guys – your research is outstanding!
    BTW, this is pertaining to GZ, but have not seen it posted anywhere else – but you may have already seen this:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/zimmerman-family-challenges-holder-on-new-black-panthers

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  18. mister3 says:

    has anyone checked to see what else was going on at the time this entire story was fabricated? i’m thinking it’s a misdirection ploy so “we” fixate on this issue when there is another issue that just gets skimmed over.

    TM is dead, GZ was justified hence why nothing was done about it. 3 (?) weeks later facts get twisted and “we” are all in arms about this…… hmmm

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  20. Ignatius J Donnelly says:

    No debit card, the kid was carded and showed the clerk his driver’s license. This is an interesting theory but not really relevant to the murder charge. Look; Gz’s story is so full of holes. TM did confront him, that is true. The fight could not have happened where it did without TM confronting GZ, but the witnesses reported a loud verbal exchange , then soundsof a scuffle that moved from
    the top of the T in the sidewalks into the back yards. GZ does not mention that. Also, from what I can tell TM only landed one good punch, the punch that gave him a slightly broken nose. It seems like TM was mostly just pinning Zimmie to the ground. Who knows who provoked who but I’ve never totally believed GZ. He says he was being pounded on for more than a minute.
    No fat lip? No REAL black eyes. No loose or missing teeth? No sub orbital blowout? ( I Got me one of those in a similar position). GZ should have been hurt much worse.

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    • Jello333 says:

      Alright, let’s say everything you say is true. And go ahead and add a bunch of other details that you believe point towards George being at fault. Ok, and then answer me this:

      Do you think a judge or jury will believe George was on the bottom, and he was the one screaming? If so, that’s it…. NOT GUILTY.

      The Florida self-defense statute does NOT take away that right even if you’re the “aggressor”. Even if George “started it”, doesn’t matter. As long as he had a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm while Trayvon was on top of him (which IMO those screams clearly show), George had a LEGAL RIGHT to shoot.

      Period. End of story.

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    • jimrtex says:

      “GZ does not mention that”

      You’ve talked to him?

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    • howie says:

      According to what you say Zim was hurt. Well, how much “worse” do you think he should have been hurt?
      What is a “slightly broken” nose?
      I think you say Treyvon landed one good punch, and slightly broke his nose. Then he pinned Zimmerman to the ground.
      Have you seen Zimmermans statements yet? Your post seems to indicate you have.

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    • Seeks_The_Truth says:

      I just came across your comment.
      I’m curious how you think Zimms head was split open on the back twice? How much force do you believe is needed to split a skull open like that? On what do you think?
      I’d also like to know what a “slightly broken nose” is. Either it’s broken or it’s not. That’s like saying you’re slightly pregnant.
      You base your opinion solely on what happened to you in a fight. I assure you his injuries are consistent with what he said happened.
      He had a fat lip. He had “real” black eyes. No missing teeth means his are in better shape than yours and he wasn’t punched in the mouth repeatedly.
      Point is, there should NEVER had been murder charges to begin with. The ONLY reason they did was because the Black community threatened violence if they didn’t.
      How sad it is you condone this action but condemn a man for defending his life.

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  21. Ignatius J Donnelly says:

    Jello,
    Did you actually READ my comment?
    I’ve always believed GZ was on the bottom. I’ve always believed TM threw the first punch, but I also believe that that was the only good punch he landed. Zimmie got roughed up a bit and shot the guy who was pinning him to the ground and according to the balcony witness looked to be getting off GZ when the shot was fired. GZ will most likely be acquitted and under Florida law rightfully so. I’m sorry I don’t find that Nebbish The Last American Hero.

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  22. Venus says:

    Ok, wait a minute. So that little boy on that video with Brandy was the kid that Trayvon was supposed to run out and get skittles for and he never came back. Its said the kid called his mom and all that, isnt that kid pretty young? So basically Trayvon was babysitting and he left this kid alone, and the kid called his mom but she didnt care Tray was gone, that wasn’t going to stop their night out, right?

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  24. Looking like Trayvon could actually be the chip off his ole’ daddy’s shoulder…Weed and blunts.
    Didn’t Obama say he could be his son?
    I see the resemblance…more clearly now….((grinnnnnn))

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  25. Bob says:

    Also the point that NO_LIMIT_NIGGA had 41 dollars on himat his death begs this, Why? To by weed perhaps, which at that point one wonders just how much he had on him before leaving the townhouse or did he get through selling some.

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  26. teemtwo says:

    Reblogged this on Conservative Calmversation and commented:
    Interesting analysis of the events that night

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  27. Bob says:

    Well we can be sure of one thing. St Skittles could not go to the Sam’s Club nearby. Sam’s Club is a Super type of Wal-Mart that you need a membership card to shop at, so I’m sure he did not have one. So to those that think he went there to shop, would be wrong.

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  33. JL says:

    I’d like to contribute a theory about the ‘button’…Though it doubtfully has any value to the case in any way. Perhaps he used the button to conceal a small bag of weed. He could have pinned it to the backside of the button or the inside of his hoodie. Possibility that he took the button off to remove the weed and then just stuck the button back in his pocket rather than go through the trouble of pinning it back on.

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    • Actually it appears that the paramedics may have removed the button. I doubt it was designed to hide weed.. but it was most certainly in support of someone who died while living the thug lifestyle. Trayvon is now buried next to him.

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      • Susan says:

        I haven’t read a lot of the comments through, but from what I did read, you all are leaving out the point that the reason George Zimmerman left his vehicle was to try to keep Trayvon in sight so he could guide the police when they arrived. When the 911 operator told him that they “didn’t need him to do that”, follow Trayvon, George then was merely looking for a street number (address) to use to guide the police. Then he was walking back to his vehicle when HE was attacked. He didn’t get out of his vehicle as an armed vigilante looking to kill someone. And in fact he had even forgotten he had his gun, until TRAYVON uncovered it.

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