Ad Rem Puddy highlights a Tip from the Tip Line
Treeper Jello provides this lengthy consideration for your review:
I think I’m finally pretty up-to-date with the posts on this site, and I haven’t seen anything related to what I’m about to say. But if it’s already been discussed, and I’ve just missed it, sorry. I guess I’ll just have to be embarrassed that I went to all this trouble for nothing. 
Oh, and another thing, I partly agree with this recent comment by Sundance:
“… we know that the details surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin are no longer the matter at hand in determining the outcome for George Zimmerman. Indeed, if those details or facts ever truly were what mattered, they are not now. That train has long since passed the station of justice.”
As for public opinion, at least for the majority of people in this country, I think that’s right. But I still think a whole lot of people can be convinced they’re wrong (as evidenced by how many have seen the light over just the past couple weeks). And when/if this case ever goes to trial, these kind of details are gonna be VERY important, at least if we get a fair jury empaneled. So I hope you’ll bear with me with what I’m about to say, since it very much DOES involve “details and facts” of the case.
Alright, what I wanna talk about is the recent “leak”, that George Zimmerman supposedly told cops that Trayvon Martin “circled” his truck before he walked away and then took off running. Some in the media have used this new info to imply that GZ is lying about something. “Why didn’t he mention that to the dispatcher? Hmm… very suspicious, eh… maybe he just made up the story about ‘circling’ later on, once he knew he was in trouble after the shooting.” And I’ve noticed a few comments here on this site that sounds like people are a little concerned about this. Some also think the “unnamed source” who leaked this might be lying about what GZ said in his interrogations that night. For example, Aussie said, “in the transcript, Zimmerman states that TM is staring at him. There is no mention of TM circling his vehicle. That is just another of those unfounded rumours.”
But right off the top, let me say this… I do NOT think the “source” is lying. I think George DID say Trayvon “circled” the truck. And if so, that could be either good or bad for GZ, depending on which of these two is true:
If in fact Martin DID circle the truck, that strengthens Zimmerman’s case… showing that not only was Martin NOT the scared little kid they claim, but also showing that he was confrontational, even threatening. On the other hand, if Zimmerman made that up, then it clearly weakens his case. It makes it look like he knew he’d better make TM look scarier than he actually was.
Some will say, “But, there’s no way Zimmerman can prove he’s telling the truth about that, since he didn’t mention it to the dispatcher.” Right? Wrong! I think there’s circumstantial evidence of the “circling” right there on GZ’s 911 call. And that’s the whole point of this long post.
So, we’re gonna need the tape of the call, and we’re gonna need a map of the neighborhood. This first link is to GZ’s unredacted 911 call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6Rrtka1o0
This second link is to the pic you have here on this site, the map of part of GZ’s neighborhood. I know there’s no scale on that map, but I used the actual Google map to make measurements that I refer to later on.
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-map-1.jpg
So what evidence do we have that Zimmerman is telling the truth about this? As I said, I think it’s right there on the tape. When I first heard the 911 call, something about it didn’t seem right. Mainly Zimmerman’s description of Martin and his actions as he approached the truck, and how LONG that description went on. Also the fact that, starting at about the 1 minute mark and continuing for over 30 seconds, GZ’s voice seems to change slightly at various points as he’s describing what TM is doing. But once I heard about the supposed “circling” statement, something clicked.
But before I get into that, I have to make a quick note about where the truck was parked. I’ll admit I’m not even sure if there’s been any police statement or something, telling us exactly where it was. If so, I haven’t heard it. So how do we know? Obviously most people seem to believe it was around the location marked on the map, since I’ve seen that several places online. So if there has been a definitive statement, and we KNOW for a fact where the truck was parked, there’s no reason to go into a debate about it. But whether or not WE, the general public, know for sure, quite obviously the police know where it was parked. So it’s not like any “research” we do in that regard is gonna help out Zimmerman’s case. It was parked where it was parked, and the cops already know that, so GZ has nothing to prove or disprove in that regard. However, for our own benefit, and so we can continue our “research”, it’s important that we decide where we think the truck was.
I believe it WAS parked about where it’s shown on the map, though I personally think it was a little to the left of there. And the fact that it’s on the south side of the street is, I think, of some real significance. I’ll explain why I think it was parked there, and its significance later on, toward the end of this post,
So anyway, where were we?…
Starting at the 0:29 mark of the tape (and continuing till 0:41), Zimmerman starts trying to describe Martin. Presumably there’s still some distance between the two, at least at the start of this description. But it’s clear that as GZ speaks, Martin is getting closer. The reason we know this is that starting at 0:42, Zimmerman says, “He’s here now. He’s just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he’s staring at me.”
But how close is “here”? I’m gonna base my guess on a couple things. One being how far he may have walked during the previous 13 seconds (during the description); and two, just a common sense idea of what “here” means. Actually I’ll do it in reverse: How would you define “here” in this situation? Obviously it means much closer than he was originally, and now close enough for GZ to start feeling uncomfortable (based on his voice). So I’m gonna say “here” can’t be much further away than about halfway past the first building on the north side of the street. (I’ll say more later about why I have him on the north side at first). That would be about 70’ from the truck. Which would mean that if at the start of the description (at 0:29), Martin was just leaving the mailboxes, he walked about 120’ in 13 seconds (when GZ says “He’s here now”). That’s about 6 mph, a VERY fast walk, nearly jogging for most people. But based on what GZ is saying, I doubt TM is moving that quickly. And so it’s likely he had already left the mailboxes before 0:29 on the tape. Even so, it looks like to begin with he was moving fairly quickly. We can only guess why. But just about at that point (0:42), it’s clear he either stops, or at least slows down a lot. And you’ll see in a minute that whether he’s halfway past the first building, or maybe even CLOSER when GZ says “He’s here now”, it strengthens his claim of the “circling” to come.
0:42-0:49 — “He’s here now. He’s just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he’s staring at me.”
Alright, here I’m putting Martin in front of the building on the north side of the street, about 70’ to the northwest of the truck. It seems that at this point TM is just standing there. Or maybe he’s walking slowly, hard to tell. But either way, he’s clearly now much closer than he was to start.
0:50-0:59 — Dispatcher asks for verification of the address, and GZ says that’s the clubhouse. The dispatcher asks, “He’s near the clubhouse right now?” And GZ says, “Yeah now he’s coming towards me.”
I think this is when Martin starts to cross the street to where Zimmerman is. Oh, and obviously the “yeah” at the beginning of his response to the dispatcher’s question (“He’s near the Clubhouse now?”) was not correct, and to me is a sign that Zimmerman is (rightly so) a bit preoccupied and not paying complete attention to the dispatcher. The same can be said for why he never actually said Martin was “circling” the truck. Anyway, it’s obvious based on the next few seconds that at this point Martin is very close to the truck.
Oh, and listen closely when he says “now he’s coming towards me.” What’s that noise? Could it be where (as the article reported) GZ “was so unnerved by the teen’s behavior that he rolled up his window”?
Now the next 30 seconds is part of what I referred to earlier, when I said the first few times I heard this tape something didn’t seem right.
1:01-1:10 — “He’s got his hand in his waist-band… yeah, he’s a black male.”
1:11-1:14 — Dispatcher asks how old he thinks he is, and GZ says “He’s got a button on his shirt… late teens.”
1:17-1:30 — “Mm hmm. Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. Why can’t you just get an officer over here?”
During this whole time, GZ’s voice seems to change slightly at various points in his description of what TM is doing. Listen. Does it sound like he’s still sitting calmly, facing one direction (as I think it sounds like at the first of the tape)? Or does it now sound like he’s shifting positions or something? Could this be George reacting (turning this way and that), to watch someone as they circle his car?
1:30-1:35 — Dispatcher tells GZ an officer is on the way, and to let him know if “this guy” does anything else. GZ says, OK.
While this has nothing to do with my analysis here (Ha! I’m an “analyst” now!), I’ll just remind everyone that this 5 seconds right here is a big reason GZ got out of his truck and followed Martin! The dispatcher unknowingly ASKED him to do that! And just as an aside, note the dispatcher, even though he knows GZ described TM as “late teens”, does NOT call him a “kid”. Nope, it’s “this guy”. Oh well, back to the issue at hand…
Up till this point, up till a little after 1:30, it’s obvious that Martin is NOT moving away from Zimmerman, especially the comment about “something in his hands.” He can see the front of him (unless of course he’s holding his hands behind his back…. not very likely IMO, and makes no sense when combined with his other comments). But now…
1:37-1:40 — “Ahhhhh…. these assholes, they always get away.”
When Zimmerman utters these words, it only makes sense if Martin now IS moving away from him. So, can we agree that by about 1:35 Martin has begun to move away from Zimmerman, to the point that GZ no longer feels threatened? And that up till this time, he was moving TOWARD him (or stationary, or around him)?
Alright, time to do some more calculations; you’ll see why in a minute. (By the way, if anyone wants to play along, 1 mph is ~ 1.5’/second, which is VERY slow. Try walking that speed on a treadmill sometime and you’ll see it’s actually kinda hard to walk that slowly.)
From 0:42 (“He’s here now…”) to 1:35 (Martin now moving away) that’s 53 seconds. I’ve placed Martin about halfway past the first building on the north side of the street, around 70’ from the truck, at the start of this time. Where should we place him once we know he’s past GZ’s truck? Well, at just after 1:30 he’s obviously still there, but by 1:37 he’s not (“they always get away”). So let’s say he’s been moving away for about 5 seconds. But how fast is he going? If we measure the distance between just past the truck, and the furthest away he could be when GZ says “He’s running” (based on line-of-sight to the north of the building he eventually ran around) that’s about 150’. If he went that distance in a little over 30 seconds (1:35 to 2:07), he was moving no more than about 5’ per second. (If he started running sooner, he was walking even slower at first.) So if Martin was walking that speed as he finally started moving away from Zimmerman, he would only have been around 25’ past him. Which means from the “He’s here now” at 0:42, and where we know he was past Zimmerman at around 1:35, Martin advanced a straight-line distance of a grand total of less than 100’.
You beginning to see where I’m going with this now? If Martin was walking straight past Zimmerman, and he went about 95’ in 53 seconds, he was walking about 1.8’ per second, or just over 1 mph. And as I noted above, that is VERY slow. I’m telling you… try walking that slowly on a treadmill… especially if you’re 6’3”. Is it POSSIBLE that Martin was actually doing that? Yes, but only if nothing Zimmerman says during that time has any link to reality. If George was high, then yeah, maybe he just judged everything totally wrong. Otherwise….
Otherwise Martin clearly was NOT just walking very slowly past. The prosecution would have us believe that Martin just left the mailboxes, walked past Zimmerman, perhaps slowing a little to look at the “man who was following him”, and then walking on past. But no matter how you look at it, Martin MUST have been walking much faster at the start of his movement (near or at the mailboxes) than later on. And then for some reason, beginning at “He’s here”, he clearly stopped or slowed way down. That’s the MINIMUM that Martin did. But now listen again to the tape. Listen to how GZ describes what TM is doing, listen to the changes in his voice, while picturing in your mind Martin slowly approaching, and then walking around (once or twice) the truck, “checking me out”. Martin had PLENTY of time to do just that.
But still, there ARE other possibilities, no matter how unlikely. So what are some possible scenarios for how Martin walked toward and then past Zimmerman?
1) He started from the mailboxes, walked very quickly (nearly jogging) until getting halfway (or more) toward GZ (“here”), at which point he slowed WAY down, maybe stopping for a few seconds, and then continued again till he was past GZ, still walking very slowly.
2) He started from somewhere nearer than the mailboxes, which means he didn’t have to walk quite as fast to get “here”. And then once he got “here”, the remainder of his walk was similar to #1. No time in this scenario for TM to do half the stuff GZ claims he did.
3) He started at the mailboxes and just walked in a steady, slow pace the entire way, which again seems to be totally contradicted by what GZ said on the tape.
4) He started from somewhere nearer than the mailboxes, and just walked in a steady even slower pace the entire way…. but same problems as #3.
5) And then there’s this one: He started from somewhere nearer than the mailboxes, walked quickly until getting halfway (or more) toward GZ (“here”), at which point he slowed WAY down, maybe even stopping. But THEN, instead of just continuing on, he crossed the street and walked around the truck once or twice “checking him out”, then slowly walked away.
Now is there any definitive PROOF that any of these was the way it actually went down? Nope. But listen to the tape, and use a little common sense based both on the times, distances, and words/tone of Zimmerman. Put all that together, and tell me which of the 5 scenarios makes the most sense. (Or you’re welcome to add an additional scenario, if you have one in mind.)
A lot of what goes on in court cases is based on simple common sense. When there’s no absolute proof of something, but it’s clear from the circumstances that one specific “something” makes a lot more sense than any other alternative, then that point nearly always wins out.
Oh, and one little unexpected benefit of all these calculations (assuming they’re accurate), is that it shoots down Dee Dee’s supposed claim that Martin said “I’ll just walk fast”. Other than possibly from the mailboxes to “here”, TM clearly did NOT “walk fast”. Quite the opposite.
Shifting gears a little now. Near the beginning of this post, I promised I’d explain why I think which side of the street Zimmerman was parked on is important, and why I think there’s good evidence to assume where he DID park. And if the following seems like a lot of detail for no reason, just bear with me; I’ve got a reason.
First we’re gonna need a link to the Google map of the full neighborhood:
I think it’s obvious the truck must have been parked on the east-west part of Twin Trees. If it was on the north-south part (to the east of there), GZ wouldn’t have been able to see TM when he was over by the Clubhouse. And if it was right next to the Clubhouse, GZ wouldn’t have had to explain to the dispatcher that you go past the mailboxes, curve left, and “you’ll see my truck”. So it’s clear it’s parked on the east-west part of the street. And if he was parked at a “cut-through” as he says, there are only two possibilities. One is in the area where you have it marked on the other picture (the “C” on the south side of the road), the other is right on the curve, just about where the car in the picture is parked. So is there any way to know which of these two he was parked on? I think there is.
Look at the full map. Zimmerman lived in the southwest corner (marked on the map). If he was on his way to the store, as he said, then which way would he have gone to reach the exit? Target is northwest of the subdivision, so the most direct route is to go toward the north exit. And besides that, had he gone to the east exit, he would have never gotten close enough to the Clubhouse to see Martin. Now if for some reason he decided to zig-zag through the neighborhood on his way to the north exit, he could conceivably have wound up parked on the north side of Twin Trees. Otherwise, assuming he drove the direction pretty much anyone would, he would have gone north from his house and then followed the road around to the east toward the exit. At the Clubhouse, just before the left turn to get to the exit, there’s a stop sign. I believe we’ll eventually learn that this was where Zimmerman was when he first noticed someone hanging out by the Clubhouse. I think he then turned right, slowly drove past the clubhouse and around the curve, and pulled over and parked near where the “C” is on the other map (Again, I personally think it should be a little to the west/left of where it’s marked, more directly in line with the “cut-through”).
So why go to all this trouble just to decide which side of the street GZ was parked on? Well, unless there’s truth to the “circled the truck” story, then it DOESN’T much matter. If Martin just walked right past the truck on his way to the sidewalk where he wound up running, it isn’t that important where the truck was parked. However, if he DID circle around the truck, it goes to motive and state-of-mind… of Martin. There are no sidewalks along the sides of Twin Trees. So Martin would have walked either on the side of the street, or up in the grass. Either way, a direct path from the mailboxes to the sidewalk at the northeast of the road (where the car is parked in the picture) would have brought him right next to GZ’s truck ONLY if it was parked on the north side of the street. If it was parked on the south side, he would have had to go out of his way to pass close to it, never mind to “circle” it. If it was parked on the north side, I suppose it could be argued that Martin didn’t really “circle” the truck; rather he was just kinda swerving around it to avoid it, since it was in his direct path if he was walking in the street. And to Zimmerman that maybe SEEMED like he was circling around it. (I know, I know. That’s a really dumb argument, but we’ve seen what the GZ-haters can come up with, so…) But if it was parked on the south side, and if there’s any truth to the “circling” claim, then it seems clear that TM must have gone OUT OF HIS WAY to walk around the truck. If so, that says a lot about what may have been going through his mind. And hint… it was NOT fear.
So this whole “circling” thing, which some people now seem to be trying to use AGAINST Zimmerman, could, in the end, work very much IN HIS FAVOR.
I guess I’m done. And even if this whole post is of no importance whatsoever, it was fun to do all these little calculations and “what if” games. And if nothing else, you all got to see just how long-winded I can be!
Wow! That was an epic effort. Thanks, jello!
Awesome, Jello! Thanks for getting it out here, Puddy!!
Definitely thanks to Puddy! She pulled an all-nighter getting various things done for today’s threads. Applause earned by Ad Rem!
Yes! Thanks for the hours of behind-the-scenes work, Puddy, and for doing it without the cooler last night! Tonight, after the nap, I promise to save the good Bourbon for you. You deserve it.
Thanks, Puddy!
PD…..wanted you to know my e-mail isn’t working right…can receive, but can not send. I prolly goofed something up when I was opening and closing bunches of different applications trying to get the Quick-time player to work. (Anger does strange things to otherwise normal cats….)
No problem! I just figured you were cat-napping after last night!
here is a video that was posted today. The neighbor in it shows the newsman how Trayvon circled George’s truck and he supposedly got his information from witnesses.http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/george-zimmerman-did-he-shoot-trayvon-martin-in-self-defense–75855.html
That’s the same video we used in the post fedup…..it IS a keeper, isn’t it.
I heard about the circling of the truck a good while back. It’s not something new, but I remember that George didn’t mention it to the dispatcher. He was busy rolling up his windows, I think it was.
It seems someone was on utube talking about this and could hear him rolling the windows up and he said he could hear a voice outside the vehicle. ok. I’ll hush now.
Let’s not forget this part of DeeDee’s story which seems to confirm Trayvon is possibly circling around George’s truck.
“He[Trayvon] then says, I think this dude is following me. And she talks about how he kind of slows down and he’s trying to look in the car like, I think this dude is following me. And she tells him, baby, be careful, just run home. She tells him that.”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/20/cnr.03.html
I wonder if her sworn affidavit will be released as part of the discovery process. That will be controversial, for sure. I think I have heard 3 different versions. You would think she had it down pat, if it’s true that Crump coached her.. I find it amazing she is 16 and cannot speak English yet .
Good G*d – more lies!
“every call he made was about an AA male” – utter HORSE$#!+!
I’m to the point I don’t even want to click on any MSM links!
One other thing. The guy on utube seemed to think George had told the police he circled the truck and george rolled his windows up. I think when george said he was reaching for his waistband , but he couldn’t see what he was getting , was that Trayvon was reaching for his phone. he was wearing earbuds to talk to that girl and if George hadn’t rolled his windows up I think he would have held the phone lengthwise in his hand and used the end to slam george in the nose. I think that is what he finally did hit him with. A thug would use any weapon in a pinch and the end of a phone would make a pretty formidable weapon. George was preoccupied with watching him and rolling up the windows, I think and he just didn’t mention it.
I doubt that. The cell phone is the most prized possession of the modern Yute. They become disoriented and looney if it breaks or they lose it.
You got that right!
(How in the he!! did WE ever grow up without one?)
When GZ was initially hit it was so hard that he was sure there was something in TM’s hand
That is quite an analysis and an interesting one. I am curious about how much time you spent on it. I think I have read almost everything on this site but you may have the record to make a single point.
I find it interesting that those who think that Zimmerman is guilty do not go into such detail to make their cases.
Oh well, it looks like discovery will start soon so maybe we will be able to read the entirety of what George says happened.
Jello took the time to write what he’s thinking. I don’t think you did. You’re “curious” and you “find it interesting” …. and you say he’s “has the record to make a single point…” And???? what’s up?
Maybe you misunderstood the point of my post. It was a meant as a compliment not only to him but also to the entire site
I have refrained from posting what I “think” and prefer to remain open minded and objective so yes, I do find all of this interesting. I am a retired media and newspaper consultant which influences me greatly.
I sure don’t want to accused of doing what mainstream media has done. Do you?
I interpreted it as damning with faint praise. No, we certainly do not want to do what the msm has done.
Because of their massive successes in constructing and selling lies about significant events, it seems it is necessary to go to some trouble to construct opposition to what they are doing–I thought you were minimizing the value of Jello’s effort to do that.
My apologies.
I refer a lot of people to find some “facts” but I also have to now add that there also theories here. Otherwise, I get vilified, if you know what I mean. Even so, there are more facts here than on any other site I have found.
If you know of similar sites, I would like to know about them. .
I think one of the most significant aspects of this case is that George went through all of those interviews with NO legal advice. Surely, he believed he had nothing to hide but it is further proof that we should never talk to LE without an attorney present. This might have never been news if he had done that. Oh well.
I am still puzzled about why Rick Scott really got involved. I do not see how it helps him
Well done, Jello. Thanks for your thinking and writing and laying it out for discussion.
Our Jello has the mind of a true detective…. almost a little Sherlock Holmes don’t you think?
yes, bravo!!
I think these statements are crucial:
- Could this be George reacting (turning this way and that), to watch someone as they circle his car?
Absolutely! That’s why we here the shuffling noises, GZ was shifting around to try to watch TM. Also, it was raining and it was dark, so GZ would have some difficulty seeing TM. And also, if TM was close to GZ’s car, GZ was probably preparing himself for a confrontation, either by putting the car in gear or preparing to exit the car quickly.
- this 5 seconds right here is a big reason GZ got out of his truck and followed Martin! The dispatcher unknowingly ASKED him to do that!
Again, absolutely! The dispatcher’s request “Let me know if this guy does anything else” is equivalent to “Keep an eye on him”.
why we here => why we hear
That is a logical assumption.
That could be interpreted as the police ordering Zim to follow him and report. Then the police tell him to stop and he does. He was just following police orders. The MSM conveniently leaves out the part where he is told to follow and watch. Zim has been 100% co-operative with the police…Crump has not.
Actually he says, “He’s running? Which way is he running?” And that is where Zimmerman gets out of the car. I’ve been arguing that point since the beginning.
I assume that is because Trayvon was out of sight that quickly.
Right. Because GZ was heading out of the complex so his car was pointed in the direction of the clubhouse, but TM was running the other way. Rather than turn his car around (which would have taken quite a bit of time in what he considered to be an urgent situation), he got out of the car to follow on foot.
It’s also very important that it be noted that GZ never yelled at TM. He simply followed. We can tell by his manner of speaking to the dispatcher that at best he’s moving along at a job, he’s not flat-out running. That’s why Frederica Wilson is one dumb f*cking race-baiting b*tch for screeching that GZ “hunted” TM (“like a rabid dog”).
I believe GZ’s car was facing EAST. The fastest route out to go to Target would have been to travel NORTH on Retreat View Cl to the nothern gates. My guess is that he noticed TM as GZ passed by the clubhouse as he was traveling EAST and stopping at the intersection of Twin Trees. Instead of going NORTH and out, he then turned SOUTH and drove past TM and the mailboxes; parking his car where about “C” is marked on the SOUTHERN side of the street. Honestly, for me, this is the most logical way that GZ drove and parked.
Didn’t GZ tell the dispatcher that Skittles was running toward the back gate? Where is the back gate? I have never seen anything marked back gate on any of the maps.
Twin Trees goes through the entire neighborhood from the front gate to the back gate. People might tend to visualize the entrances as more as external driveways off of Oregon, which is the street that goes along the north and east sides of the neighborhood, because Retreat View Circle circles the entire neighborhood. There are stop signs on Twin Trees, so its not like it would really be seen as the street running through the neighborhood.
One of Zimmerman’s earlier calls to the police (not that night) indicates that he could meet the police at the back gate to let them in, because it was locked and required keyed entry). It may require a card or a pass code to get in the front gate, or maybe it works like a remote garage door. You (or your insuror) won’t want to lock the police, much less an ambulance or fire truck from waiting to get in.
Zimmerman would have been guessing that the back gate was Martin’s intended destination, because he would been running east, and it is about 600 feet further south.
If Martin is 50 to 100 feet to the east, he might assume that the truck wouldn’t follow on the sidewalk, and take off running to lose the person inside.
The truck door does not open until after the dispatcher urgently requests the direction that Martin is running. Zimmerman may have exited the truck in response to that request in order to get a better view. There is less light in the walkway area than on the street (there are street lights on both corners to Twin Trees), and he would have been looking through a truck window on a dark and rainy night. After he got out of the truck, it is a few seconds before the door closes, and a couple more before Zimmerman starts moving. Around 10 seconds in all. Martin could easily be 200 feet away by then.
Zimmerman could have followed after, simply to confirm his intuition that Martin was heading to the back gate.
Thanks for that info Jim. I had no idea where the back gate was.
One of the fascinating points I’m reading lately is the fact that the dispatcher is asking GZ where Martin is, and what direction he is heading in etc. Yes, despite what the Trayvonites want to say, that TM would still be alive if GZ had stayed in his truck, GZ is trying to help the dispatcher know where TM is so the police can go right to him for questioning. GZ was doing what he was asked to do. That is a major point in GZ’s defense.
Glad to see motive mentioned. I keep thinking. I might walk a mile in the cold rain to get some Camels if I was out but not Skittles and Tea. Why TM even did that? Then I go back to where I heard the Neighborhood watch called the Cops on TM and his friend when they were trying to break in to Brandy Greens condo cause they were locked out. TM could have held a grudge over that. The cops questioned them for 4 hours according to the report I saw. Also something could have been going on at the Green condo. TM could have ID’d Zim and then laid back to beat him up.
Are you sure that the cops were called on TM and his friend? The way I read that article was just that the guy (dreadlock dude) was telling about how he and a friend got called on, and laughed and said it didn’t make him mad. I don’t think he was saying that it was him and Trayvon, or Brandy Green’s house.
I thought I read that they were and then questioned them for 4 hours. It was someplace on CT or a link from I think. It was a few days ago. But not positive. I thought it said they were trying to get in the window.
I will have to look for the article again. I thought that was what it said at first, too. But after I read it again, I relaized he was just relaying a story trying to point out that the neighborhood watches out for itself and that he admits what he was doing looked suspicious.
Thanks. I thought he had said it was he and Trayvon. Or that someone else had related that.
Here is an article that mentions that incident. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xkQTxNfzVdQJ:http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6343723/Re_Trayvon_Martin_s_killing_sh%2Btrayvon%2Bmartin%2Btried%2Bto%2Bbreak%2Binto%2Bbrandy%2Bgreen%2527s%2Bhome&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&tbo=d¬a=1&biw=1024&bih=690&ct=clnk
That was not what I saw but it is about the same thing. TX. Was the friend Trayvon or someone else?
That was the only article I saw. Maybe there was another one?
I was wondering that also, it was hard to tell from the article. I also thought that those kids were the ones that the police found lap top computers in their backpacks.
I was thinking about TM being out in the rain, which according to reports was coming down pretty hard. Isn’t that why GZ was suspecious to being with? that it was raining and TM was just walking around and looking about? I keep wondering why anyone would go out in the rain for an iced tea and skittles also. Then again, the time missing between the 711 visit, and when he arrived back at the complex, could indicate that it wasn’t that kind of tea and skittles. He could have stopped off somewhere to smoke pot, or do other drugs. He obviously couldn’t feed his habit in Brandy’s condo. or on her porch. When he disappeared from GZ’s sight, he could have gone somewhere to drop and hide drugs, or drug paraphenelia (sp).
If there was something going on at Brandy’s apt. no one would ever know. They didn’t even know that TM belonged in that apt. Tracy and Brandy had plenty of time to clean the place up before Tracy called the cops. I still do not believe that Chad was at the apt. at the time. If he was, he is a 14 year old that is not going to rat anyone out.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-11/news/os-trayvon-martin-corey-stand-your-ground-20120511_1_sentencing-today-special-prosecutor-shooting-death
Apparently they want their cake and eat it, too. lol
20 yrs. for a warning shot? That is insane. Someone is going to hesitate and be killed out of fear of prosecution…or persecution. Corey must be the Special Persecutor.
Did you click through and read the full story that was linked? Apparently the husband and wife have had domestic problems for a long time. They both have been arrested in the past for abusing each other. Just 4 months after this lady had been arrested for this crime, she was arrested yet again for abuse of the husband, where she injured his eye.
Apparently she didn’t qualify for SYG as she had already ran out of the house to escape the guy, but for whatever reason decided to go back in the house and fire the shots. That proved she didn’t fear for her life. I’m sure the judge looked at the past arrest records for both when making that decision.
The woman had until just a few days before the trial to plea down to a 3 year sentence, which would have put her in prison for about 15 months. She refuse to take the deal.
In the comments many wanted to compare the case to GZ, and there is nothing remotely close to the GZ circumstances.
20 years for this? I can not see it. She did not shoot at the guy as far as I can tell. They say she could not get out of the garage. No one was hurt. I will read further but this looks way unjust to me on the surface. If she was powing off warning shots this is awful severe.
Corey is sandwiched in between 2 groups crying racism. I find it interesting that all of a sudden the group accusing the DA of racism wants to use “stand your ground” as a defense… I thought they were petitioning to get rid of SYG.
For clarity, Corey willingly allowed herself to play into the false claims of racism in Sanford, but now it seems it’s coming back to haunt her.
It all depends on the skin color of the one committing the crime. As Justice said, they want to have their cake and eat it to.
Corey has put herself in such a rock and hard place she will never extricate herself from her travesties of justice. Go back to the 12 year Hispanic old she is charging as an adult, and wants him locked up for life. That was only the start of her problems. GZ’s case has all but insured she will be disbarred. Pam Bondi can go on TV and praise her to high heavens all she wants, as she claimed that she wouldn’t have gotten to be where she is without Corey’s help. Good luck with that Bondi. How are you going to explain that when Corey falls from grace.
Scott and Bondi are taking heat about this in Fla.
I have been wondering about this but have not seen any news. Have you?
What’s even more surprising to me is that because of some weird districting, Corrine Brown’s district goes all the way down, from Jacksonville (Duval County) very close to Orlando!??? (I was blown away when we did a townhall via telephone and people from Orlando was commenting
) Corrine has just disqualified herself from the scheme team and will, from this day forward be on record for supporting SYG.
Anyone else notice that whenever they show you a picture of Zimmerman now, they use this one:
Out of a 4 hour trial, they picked THIS screenshot in particular.
The only other one I’ve seen is a profile pic, he’s smiling. I guess they want to make the public think that he considers his legal situation to be a joke. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such media bias ever before EXCEPT Richard Jewell. Wait, Rod Blagojevich too, every single thing he said or did was taken out of context and amp’d up to be 100x worse than it actually was. He gave an excellent and lengthy press conference addressing all of the issues, while it was broadcast live on most local channels it received little attention after that.
And….the suit makes him look like an ex-linebacker. Do most people realize he had a bullet proof jacket on underneath…I doubt it.
I wish Mark O’Mara would call on us to be a test jury should the case go to trial. There is not a single adult on the planet who hasn’t already formed some opinion about the situation. We could help him nail down exactly the evidence (and the framing of the evidence) that appeals to those of us who are tending toward or outright supporting GZ.
I hear what you are saying but my observation is that some folks have actually changed their opinions now that more information has come out.
I have referred a lot of people here who have said as much and thanked me for directing them here. Even a few people at the HuffPost have done a turnaround.
I think the fact that George received so much money on his website in such a short period of time resulted in people wondering “what the hell is going on ?” I was sort of stunned myself.
I have seen no updates insofar as current contributions and I think that could become problematic if some details are not released periodically.
In the video from the ABC report with Frank Taeffe, and the google map, it appears Taeffe is saying George was parked on the “north” side of the street” (across the street from point C) (Point “C” I’m assuming the “south” side of the street.), you can see the road bending to the right ahead of the way Taeffe was orienting the truck. GZ would be facing the clubhouse in his care the way Taeffe said he is oriented, you can see it in the first part of the clip with Taeffe. If the video and the Google image were put close together in this report, it’s easier to run the video and watch Taeffe talking with real landmarks and watch the google image.
“Circling” the car could mean a U shape or a complete circle I would think. Obviously Taeffe is not “anonymous”. I don’t really remember if any reports said where he got his information. GZ’s dad? GZ did take officers through a reenactment while his father was looking on from a distance.
The New York Times reported that as I recall, however, Parkscrump did as well at this post. Interesting to which reporting they chose to highlight on their website.
http://parkscrump.com/trayvon-martin-lawyer-raises-questions-about-role-of-shooters-ex-judge-father-in-investigation/
Not sure why anyone would be linking back to the Parks Crump website for any information.
Frank Taeffe got his information from the eye witnesses he talked with. That’s been reported many times here.
GZ’s father was not a judge, he was a Magistrate. There is an ocean’s worth of difference between the two. The Crumpettes have falsely reported that GZ’s father was a judge in order to make it appear that GZ got special treatment. The father was a Magistrate in Virginia, and retired to Fla.
Reading the Parks Crump article, which was dated April 6, they are in full slam GZ mode.
“Jackson told ThinkProgress that the elder Zimmerman’s presence was possibly inappropriate because “we don’t know what coaching went on.””
So GZ wasn’t allowed to talk to or take advice from his father because he was a former Magistrate, and knew what probable cause meant?????????????????????? Yet, Crump has the freaking nerve to sway the entire story, across the nation, with all kinds of false information, but GZ’s wasn’t allowed to talk to his dad, because it was inappropriate???????????????????????
Yup. I think you pretty well nailed it there.
“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered “judges” and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia’s Judicial System Website .”
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate#ixzz1sQmk3pWH
I thought I had posted a reply to my comment that heard eyewitnesses as the source Taeffe claims for his (as reported by the video link above). I was concentrating on going between the google map at first and the footage of the scene in the video link above and the way Taeffe was describing the details of his version of how the details took place, and comparing that to what the author of the post thought and took the time to detail.
Since I couldn’t remember who Taeffe was basing his account on (eyewitnesses), I thought maybe GZ’s father. Parkscrump posted the Huffington Post piece that Parkscrump was spinning about GZ’s father. Mostly, by this point in the whole media construct and the publicity campaign put together by Julison and facilitated by Natalie Jackson for ParksCrump that went on for so long, with some retreat on the media’s part now, is disturbing yet informative on how the whole complex works.
They are worried. Very worried. The Sanford Council put the Kibosh on their original plan. I keep wondering about video. I keep seeing signs in the clips that the complex is protected by security video. If so it should all be on tape. The Cops could have looked at it right away.
Those are probably new. There have been a couple of incidents reported around the neighborhood. In one, the window of (an unoccupied) police squad car was shot out across the street at the school, where it had been parked to prevent tour buses from using the parking lot as a turning area.
Another time, the police and sheriffs deputies were about to storm Zimmerman’s (former) residence, including a helicopter overhead, after some sort of prank call.
Google street view from April 2011, shows a No Soliciting sign, a Neighborhood Watch sign (which indicates that last summer’s efforts was a revival), a Tow Zone sign, a 15 MPH sign.
It does appear that there are some kind of cameras mounted on the (former) flagpole at the main entrance. They appear to be focused immediately on the gates.
I am one of the people who raised questions about the circling the truck, so I want to say this analysis is right on.
The distance and speed calculations are right on.
People walk at a pace that allows their legs to swing at the natural pendulum frequency which is proportional to the square root of the length of the leg. (actually the square root of the distance between the hip joint and the leg center of mass). Two paces per second would be about right for TM. Tall people with longer legs take longer strides and fit people tend to take longer strides. Stride length would be about 18″, so TM should walk about three feet per second or 2 mph. (We are expected to believe that TM walked for an hour in the pouring rain for skittles and iced tea?)
The conclusion that the 911 tape is consistent with TM circling GZ’s truck is right on.
The point that the dispatcher asked GZ to inform them of TM’s movements is also critical.
Now I have some real issue with the consistent leaks. 25 years ago I had a brother murderred by a thief who was stealing a garbage can. Weapon was a Dodge van. The police did not share inside info with me or other family aside from the traffic accident investigator who sought my advice on how to calculate maximum possible acceleration and speed based on the horsepower to weight ratio of the van. These calcs confirmed the coroners observations of no broken legs which indicated a low velocity impact and hence proceeding anoth fifty feet with my brother trapped under the van was intentional. The detectives never, ever shared investigative info beyond generalities because of professional ethics.. How is team Skittles getting all of the inside
Info? Someone in the PD or Prosecutors office needs to be strung up.
From the reports, Tracy Martin went to the police station the next day, and was told of the circumstances. The Detective supposedly took him in a separate room and told him of GZ’s account of what happened. Corey said in her presser that she had spoken with the Martin sweet sweet parents. The Martin parents were given information, and they are repeating it to Crump et al. Probably too late, as they have gotten much info. no doubt, but, the Martin’s have fully participated in the media shakedown.
That all leads me to believe that the Martin’s know their son was in the wrong, and ran out to change the narrative. They couldn’t look like bad parent’s, and ruin the money racket that was concocted.
They have no caring, no remorse, no decency in how many lives they have helped to ruin. The original prosecutor, the police chief, and the numerous people who have been beaten in the name of Trayvon. Anyone who has any sympathy for these people need’s to consider the lives they have ruined. GZ and his entire family are only the tip of the iceburg.
You are correct about all of the lives that have been ruined.
I had read that Serino went to the father’s house to tell him George’s version but I don’t know for sure.
I have also read two different versions of Martin’s final words;
According to the source, Zimmerman told police that Martin’s last words after the shooting were, “Okay, you got it.” He said the phrase twice, then turned and fell face-down on the ground.
(Martin’s father told reporters last month that police had told him his son’s last words were, “You got me.” Benjamin Crump, the family’s lawyer, said he doesn’t believe either account.)
According to the source, Zimmerman told police he didn’t realize that Martin was seriously injured, and that he lunged to get on top of him after the teenager fell to the ground. Moments later, a police officer from Sanford arrived, placed him in handcuffs and took his gun.
Wow, there are a lot of different versions of what happened out there, aren’t there. Never read the version of events that you have posted. Just thinking about the version that GZ lunged to get on top of TM after he was shot, at close range in the chest, would seem a little bit of a stretch. If GZ shot TM while he was on top of him, beating him, wouldn’t TM have already expired on top of GZ. How would GZ be able to “lunge” at a dead person lying on top of him? That doesn’t even make sense. It would make sense that GZ wiggled his way out from beneath the 6’3″, 160 lb. attacker, not knowing if he was still going to beat him even more.
By all accounts I’ve read, Zimmerman had already laid his gun down on the ground even before the police arrived.
You are correct. There is a lot of conflicting information. I think what I posted has been previously posted here on this site. There are bound to be more “leaks” so who knows what’s next but the discovery process should be soon starting.
The police report says that Zimmerman informed the officer (Smith) that he had shot (Martin) and was armed. Police officer took gun from waistband of Zimmerman.
Florida law might be different from Oregon law, but it was ILLEGAL for the police to tell me anything that wasn’t included in public documents such as an indictment. For a detective to divulge details of an investigation before the case was even presented to a grand jury would be a big problem because it would enable exactly the type of interference we have had.
I believe, as most here, that it’s absurd to believe that TM would walk a mile in the cold rain to get Chad ice tea and Skittles. So I have two theories. One that I’ve seen here and elsewhere: tea and Skittles are code words for drugs. But who did TM know well enough to score?
My other theory is that Chad, a 14 yr. old with parents gone, had a girlfriend over and asked TM to leave for a while so that he could be alone with her. I’m sure those here can remember being 14. This would also account why Chad didn’t seem to hear or see or know anything later. Whatcha think?
The tea and skittles were found in Martin’s pockets and were recovered. Of course, this also meant his hands were free for the fight.
The more I thought about the idea that Chad had a girl over, themore likely it became and it also filled in some holes. Like: why TM (funny that TM is the universal symbol for “TradeMark”) was loitering about, why he would walk almost a mile to 7-11 on a cold and rainy night, why TM didn’t go back to Brandy/Chad place when he felt he was being followed, also I’ll bet he was in a foul mood he confronted GZ.
Chad may have told him to go for tea and Skittles (wink, wink) and that it would take a hour to do that (wink, wink) so he (Chad) could ‘suck face’. He may have done just that and was slowly returning. My guess tip-off was when he needed to be back?
GZ hastened the timeline. How could TM go back early and tell Chad he was afraid of a little white dude following him? Which is why he didn’t go back and instead probably thought to intimidate GZ, which didn’t work so he took it to the next level. The rest is history.
All conjecture on my part.
17 YO Martin reportedly had talked to 16 YO girl for 6-1/2 hours that day. He probably didn’t want to hang with 14 YO and left. Maybe Skittles were the bribe not to tell parents that he had left the townhouse.
In the first report the day after the shooting, Brandy Green said that, Martin was bored, and he had been sitting on the back porch (swinging with her hand to indicate its nearness to the place of the shooting).
Not too likely that Martin spent much time on the phone telling DeeDee the cute things his new “little brother” was doing. More likely Chad came out to be with Martin after the parents left, and weren’t around to tell him to stop pestering.
Forget it Chad’s gay. Just kidding.
Concerning Tracy Martin, He’s in possesion of more facts in this case than maybe George Zimmerman. The reason Deedee’s testimony is at all close to Zimmermans is because TracyMartin had some kind of police transcript and just rewrote the Scenario that made his son some kind of martyr. It was hard at that time because the police were not as saavy as Crump and associates.
This is why it is profoundly unethical and stupid for the police, prosecutors or politicians to share info with the family. Releasing info before an investigation is finished enables tampering with the evidence and testimony. Family attorneys or investigators should be at liberty to examine the scene and interview witnesses, but they should not be allowed to know what evidence the police have. Assuming that police found a can of tea and pack of skittles in TM’s pockets, knowing this would enable Crump and crew to concoct their narrative.
It supposedly was Detective Chris Serino who took Tracy Martin in a private room, the day after the incident, and told him GZ’s interpretation of the events. It was supposedly him that told Tracy Martin that GZ had a squeky clean record. It was supposedly him that told Tracy that he wanted to arrest GZ the night before for Manslaughter, but was told he couldn’t by the Pros. Wolfinger. All that came from Tracy Martin, and who knows if any of it is true. I’m sure Tracy saw the police report at some point and saw the charge of manslaughter entered on it. The police report is public information.
Later on Serino said in public that as much as he tried to trip GZ up with the several interrogations, and that his story remained the same, and the evidence indicated that GZ was acting in self defense, can mean that Tracy Martin heard what he wanted to hear, but not what he was actually told. These people have lied about so many things that it is hard to determine if anything they say is truthful.
If anyone has told the Martin’s anything about the investigation it would likely have been Angela Corey. She said in her presser that she had spoken with the sweet sweet Martin’s, and that she was seeking justice for Trayvon. She had never spoken with GZ or his family, and Gilbreth, the lead investigator, had never spoken with GZ or his family either, according to his bail hearing testimony. That is a total travesty of justice, and a broken legal system in Corey’s jurisdictional district at least. Horowitz was correct that Corey needs to be investigated, and that she should be charged with ethics violations at the very least.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought an official statement was released stating that Serino never demanded an arrest and never filed an affidavit about that .
I hear several occasions when Z is clearly locking the power-locks on his doors. It’s also clear that at times he’s heavily distracted and yes – twisting in his seat.
As I understand it, St. Skittles ran and ducked through one of the walkways between the buildings.
JZ OTOH went across the sidewalk at the top of the row – the fastest way he could see where the kid had gone, but was unable to spot him.
Then the conversation about “where to meet the cop” ensued, and JZ was unsure about addresses so he walked further to the outer street (to the right in the pics) to see a number from the front of that building. Note also how JZ does NOT want to state his address out loud, because “I don’t know where this kid is…” – he didn’t want the kid coming to his house and potentially scaring or harming his WIFE! This also makes clear that Z was still outside his vehicle at that point…
He was then returning to his truck when TM came out of the darkness to Z’s left/rear and the attack ensued.
It all fits, and I’d be willing to make a significant wager that this is how it went down…
With that in mind, TM could EASILY have been “home” but instead deliberately circled back to where he KNEW Zimmerman was!
Ergo, Saint Skittles’ attack on JZ was deliberate and premeditated. He went several hundred feet out of his way to confront, punch and worse – NOT the action of a scared kid!
If he was indeed talking to “deedee” I can easily see how he might have been more inclined to act the thug seeking to “impress” her…
Bottom line, it seems a classic case of Dave chappelle’s “When Keepin’ It Real, Goes WRONG”!!
It doesn’t get much more “wrong” than ending up eating dirt after catching a fatal dose of acute lead poisoning!
I’m confused…
“purple jello” “puddy” “ad rem” — WTF?
Gilbreath’s testimony at the bond hearing was that Zimmerman had told detectives that Martin had “started to circle” and was frightened and had rolled up his windows. And yet he didn’t report this to the dispatcher, and later followed Martin. This is supposedly some inconsistency.
As De La Rionda questioned Gilbreath, he held the palm of one hand upward to indicate the truck, and with the index finger of the other hand pointed down making a circling motion making several loops around the truck.
Gilbreath said “yeah”, which could mean Zimmerman said that Martin was going around the truck or alternatively that Zimmerman was gesticulating wildly like a helicopter taking off. My guess it was the former, and that it was only De La Rionda who making like a helicopter.
If you read the Orlando Sentinel article, it uses a number of different versions of “circling” and “began to circle”, yet the question that prosecutor who would have been familiar with Zimmerman’s interviews with police and the investigator who was testifying specifically said “started to circle”. They know enough to not perjure themselves.
The article also said that didn’t testify that this occurred while Zimmerman was talking to the dispatcher. But this awkward wording, is likely intended to be misread as Zimmerman reported the circling occurred at some other time.
If I had to guess, the source “near to the investigation” is not someone in the SPD, but rather someone from the prosecutors office.
We know that the first officer was dispatched at this time – and that the event report was only opened at this time. The dispatcher sensed the alarm in Zimmerman’s voice.
If you are reporting live, you wouldn’t say that someone was “beginning to circle” (30 degrees, 60?), but it might be something you would say when recalling, and you were interpreting what had happened if they had perhaps made a wide arc around the truck from front to rear. And Zimmerman would probably have given more information about this in the next-day walk through as he showed where Martin actually was.
So there really is no inconsistency at all.
The neighbor was the former neighborhood watch captain (It sounds like last summer was actually a revival).
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/george-zimmerman-did-he-shoot-trayvon-martin-in-self-defense–75855.html
He indicates that Zimmerman was on the north side of the street, and if you watch carefully just about at the break between the first and second units facing north towards Retreat View Circle to the east of the clubhouse. Twin Trees is immediately (30 feet) behind these units. If someone were starting intently at the backs of these units, or simply starting off into space in that direction it would look suspicious.
On the next day reporting at
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation
The video also has an tab that says “photo” and then an option for a large photo, which is very clear. It is a telephoto shot east to west across the top of the sidewalk T. If you watch the video, you will see that a squad car had pulled up over the curb on Retreat View Circle just barely south of the eastmost north-facing townhouses trying to use its headlights and probably searchlight to get some light into the shooting area (probably futile because you simply can’t get far enough north, and the north-facing houses are on a small (4-foot or so) bluff. Whenever you are seeing pictures down a sidewalk, and one side is decidedly elevated it is the East-West sidewalk.
There is a bit of a slope away from the townhouses on either side of north-south sidewalk, to get some drainage away from buildings, but it is much more slight. The center of the drainage is west of the sidewalk, so any scooting or sliding while wrestling would tend to be away from the sidewalk. At the southern end of that sidewalk there is a little more elevation to the east.
Back to the photo. You can clearly see details on the silver truck which is parked right at the corner of Twin Trees (for example where the side of the cab curves around into the back of the cab). The red car is across the street in a driveway in front of the north-facing building on Twin Trees. You should be able to see a vehicle anywhere along the south side of Twin Trees. Since there are still a bunch of police around Zimmerman’s truck probably wasn’t towed (and I don’t know if it ever was). But there are no shots with an angle to see the north side of Twin Trees.
The silver truck is in the same place in the next afternoon video (in a shot looking north on Twin Trees). It also appears to be in the Google Earth satellite photo. And in an earlier Google Earth photo is in the driveway. So I’d expect its owner lives in the first unit south of the cross-walk at the corner of Twin Trees.
Zimmerman never really says that Martin is close to the clubhouse. He starts the call by giving a non-existent address of “one-eleven”. And even then he says that “this is the best address” that I can give you. He is behind the north-facing townhouses on Retreat View Circle (which have 3xxx addresses), he is 150 west down Twin Trees from the west-facing units on Twin Trees, he is across the street from the north *end* of the east-facing units on Twin Trees, and east of and across the street from the north facing units. It really is an address-void area.
The dispatcher can’t find “one-eleven”, and asks if it is “one-eleven” or “one-one-one-one”. Zimmerman is confused by the question, and stutters slightly before saying that is the address of the clubhouse. The dispatcher wants a street address, because he can punch that into his computer, and it will show up with driving instructions in the patrol cars.
The dispatcher then asks whether Martin is near the clubhouse. But this is immediately after he has figured out that the address is the clubhouse. Zimmerman says yeah, and then that Martin is coming towards him. Only in the movie script would Martin be waiting for the dispatcher to speak his cue for him to start walking towards Zimmerman.
By the time Zimmerman starts giving directions, he is turned around looking east out the back of west-bound truck, keeping an eye on Martin while trying to describe how a south-bound police car would go straight, but then immediately turn 100 feet later, but not turn immediately at the intersection. Some people can spatially visualize things, but can not readily convert that into a sequence of left and right turns.
Later the dispatcher ask whether Zimmerman wanted to meet with the officer when he gets “there”. Zimmerman could reasonably understand “there” to mean where Zimmerman was at, while the dispatcher might have meant “there” to mean “1111 Retreat View Circle, because that is where he dispatched to.
He then asks where Zimmerman wants to meet at. Zimmerman appears to be describing his truck as a way point. When the dispatcher is asking for an address (which he can punch into his computer) Zimmerman is saying something that the dispatcher is talking over. It could be something as simple as saying, behind his truck there is a sidewalk, where I am standing in a red jacket.
The dispatcher got totally sidetracked at this point, wondering whether Zimmerman even lived in the area, and then asking for an apartment number, which irritated Zimmerman. I don’t think the dispatcher wanted an address where he lived, but wanted an address to dispatch to (the police could drive through the neighborhood a couple of times, and then come over to tell Zimmerman that he didn’t see anything).
The dispatcher suggested the mailboxes. It appears that this was punched into the computer before Zimmerman was asked. All other comments had a few seconds time lag as the dispatcher processed the information (to decide whether to enter it) and then typed it in.
Zimmerman realized this would mean a walk back to his truck, and then a drive to the mailboxes (or walk past his truck), and decided to try to direct the officer. If you can get him around the corner on Twin Trees, it is simple. Zimmerman would be thinking “that’s where I am at”, the dispatcher would be thinking “I need an address”. And an arriving officer might have thought “am I being led into an ambush” (you drive down the well-lit street, exit your car and walk down the dimly lit sidewalk behind buildings).
All reasonable perceptions.
The route up Twin Trees is not all that much longer than the west loop on Retreat View which swings west in the northwest corner. If you drive into a driveway at the southwest corner, it may be easier to back and turn into the south bound lane and then go east on Retreat View Circle, than back into the northbound lane, swing into the southbound lane as you go forward before getting into the right side of the street. That might be the way you would drive to the mailbox (it might be easier to get a parking spot on the east side of Twin Trees) after work when more people are picking up their mail. Or it might be simply a matter of variety, especially if you were conscious of looking for things out of the ordinary as a volunteer with the neighborhood watch. Or maybe he saw Martin to the west of the clubhouse, or even behind the townhouses north of the detention pond, and then circled the block, before calling the police. And there may be other plausible reasons.
HEY! Eight and a half months late, but I’m finally commenting on this post. So if you get an email notification with a prehistoric date on it, you’ll know why.
Sorry guys, I was dumb(er) back when I first arrived here, and somehow missed that this thing even posted until awhile later. So now I’m gonna go back and re-read the post (which I only remember parts of what I wrote) and especially all the comments. This should be fun. 
We were all newbies at one point in time. If it were not for Sundance and a few others here, we might all be dummies.