Update #17 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – Trademarked Exploitation Tour Goes International – Tracy and Sybrina Jet To London England

<— Continued from Last Update

Thank You Jesus For Showing Us The Money !!

Civil rights activist Al Sharpton presents the cash haul offering from a rally with Trayvon Martin’s parents at a church in Los Angeles. The rally was attended by Rick Ross, Councilman Bernard C. Parks, Big Boy, Jesse Jackson, Mary Mary, Oscar Grant’s family, Tony Cornelius, Benjamin Crump, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Jahvaris Martin, Dawn Haynes, and Minister Omarosa O. Manigault.

Either Brandy Green is the most understanding “girlfriend” a grieving opportunist could catch.  Or Green is no longer Tracy Martin’s girlfriend.    Apparently Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton have ditched their prior employment as Truck Driver and Housing Counselor respectively, to undertake a Full-Time career in bereavement Exploitation.

After returning from the Los Angeles West coast leg of Trayvon’s Trail Of Tears, the devastated and grief filled, albeit fashionably dressed and exhausted, couple  now finish a whirlwind Southern appreciation tour while preparing for Europe.

The Southern leg of the tour wound down in Birmingham Alabama with their dead son, 17-year-old Trayvon Martin,  having been elevated to honorary citizen of Birmingham Alabama, land of the perpetually aggrieved, and the historic nucleus of all things civil and righteous:

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT)- The family of slain teen Trayvon Martin wrapped up their tour of Birmingham with a little sight-seeing.  After a fellowship breakfast at their hotel, the family visited the Birmingham Civil Rights Institute.  The family spoke of the warm reception they’ve received all over the country, but particularly in Birmingham, the heart of the civil rights movement.  “It was important for us to visit Birmingham, [because] they did honor Trayvon as an honorary citizen of the city of Birmingham.  We felt a debt of gratitude,” says his father Tracy Martin.

During their visit, the family raised awareness about conflict resolution, as well as funds for the newly formed Trayvon Martin Foundation.  The next stop for the family: London, because they feel this issue is not limited to the United States.  Martin adds, “It’s not about black and white, it’s about right and wrong.  So, we’re just trying to reach into the hearts of our nation [and] the international nations as well.”   (article with video)

So, with the coffers filled, bank accounts stimulated, and Tour Manager Benjamin Crump coordinating the Trayvon Martin Memorial Foundation, the exploitation tour heads to London, England.  Perhaps to Trademark Trayvon in Soho, King Street’s fashion district, or maybe a shopping trip to Harrods helps to dry the tears and fill the void. 

A recent picture (below) from the Hollywood trip shows Sybrina responding to the discovery they have officially reached the 1% financial club.   Praise God.


Believe it or not some people still refuse to accept the fact that Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon’s Mother, did indeed Trademark various aspects of his name. So again I am sharing a link to direct confirmation of this Trademark Filing in Orlando Federal Court on March 21st, the day after Benjamin Crump’s big interview on CNN when he revealed the DeeDee narrative etc.  Here is a link to the actual application filed by Natalie Jackson Esq.

So with literal buckets of cash in hand from church offerings, a bank account continuing to grow, a  management staff hired, a PR consulting firm continuing to market the Trayvon brand, a traveling entourage’ consisting of seven retained lawyers, a professional staff, and now an advertised Trayvon Memorial Foundation under the management of Chairman Walter A Sutton solidly in hand, the Trayvon Tour can go international.

The plot surrounding the “Scheme Team” thickens - Walter A Sutton is a new name on the radar.   As mentioned above he is the newly appointed Chairman of the Trayvon Memorial Foundation.  However he is also running for a US House of Representatives congressional seat in Florida’s 17th congressional district.  Current district rep Fredrica S Wilson is being shifted to a newly established 24th district.  The 17th district will cover eastern Broward, Pembroke Pines and Miramar FL toward the Everglades.   Walter A Sutton’s Federal Candidate Application is available for review here:     http://doe.dos.state.fl.us/PublicRecordsBER/wfPublicImagesBER.aspx?account=55705  And here is what it looks like:

(this is not a spoof) 

The same guy who submitted this Federal Application/Notification, Walter A Sutton, is now Chairman of the Trayvon Martin Memorial Foundation.

Man-O-Man I hope you guys remember UPDATE #14

The Trayvon Funeral Director

Before we get into a summary of how the Scheme Team got together, and their known associations, I first want to wrap up the connection to the Trayvon Martin funeral director Richard Kurtz of  Roy Mizell and Kurtz funeral home in Fort Lauderdale.   This is important because Kurtz injected himself into the Scheme Team narrative with his declaration that Trayvon’s body showed no visible signs of a scuffle.

These guys like Kurtz are all providing media fuel and cover for the initial Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson created storyline.  And when I say created, I do indeed mean created; as in intentionally false, intentionally misleading, and totally made-up.   All.Of.It.

But where the media is failing miserably is in showing honestly how they are connected to each other.  These are not just random disconnected participants in the narrative, they are all specifically connected and colluding to sell the public, via the media, a very specific constructed story.    It is beyond frustrating that the media is refusing to sniff this out.

Back to Kurtz MIAMI (CBS4) – The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for the memorial service is challenging George Zimmerman’s story that the Martin and Zimmerman got in an intense physical fight before Zimmerman shot and killed the 17-year-old:

In dressing the body we could see no physical signs he had been in a fight or a scuffle. That is something we would have had to cover up had it been there,” said Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale.  (article / video)

But Richard Kurtz is no random disconnected Funeral Director without a vested interest, or agenda, in the outcome of the case.  To really understand we have to look at his history.

1985 Sun Sentinel -  Sitting in the quiet office of his funeral home, Richard Kurtz talked about the new black battlefront: economics.

Unfortunately for Kurtz, the fight for minority enterprise and job opportunities is not the stuff of front-page headlines.  And thus, his decade of leadership as president of the Broward County chapter of the NAACP has given him only scattered yellow clippings to mark his successes.  When Kurtz took the helm in December 1974 at age 23, he was the youngest president of an NAACP branch. His tenure in office was the longest in Broward County history.

Some have claimed Kurtz has not been vocal or active enough in protesting lingering discrimination.  One of those critics is Eula Johnson, who headed the Fort Lauderdale branch of the NAACP from 1958 to 1964.

“It is better (now), but it’s not good enough,” she said. “We need more of the wealth, more of equal opportunity to share the good life that America has to offer.”  (more)

1986  FORT LAUDERDALE — Richard Kurtz, a longtime black activist, announced to NAACP officials Thursday his plans to run for state Sen. Tom McPherson`s seat in November.  Angered that McPherson, D-Fort Lauderdale, dropped his controversial annexation plan, the NAACP has vowed to push for McPherson`s defeat and replace him with a black candidate.  (more)

2001Following the Bush V Gore Election fiasco in Florida -  They [black activists] said George W. Bush is the wrong man to be inaugurated this weekend, and they blamed his brother Gov. Jeb Bush.

“In 2002 we’re going to get rid of that Bush in Tallahassee and in 2004 we’re going to get rid of that Bush in Washington, D.C.,” Richard Kurtz, president of the Broward County Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Committee, roared to the crowd. “Then we’ll be free at last!”

Rep. Chris Smith, D-Fort Lauderdale (*note remember this name), appointed by the governor to an election-reform task force, announced that public testimony regarding voting irregularities would be taken Feb. 1 at Nova Southeastern University in Davie.  (read more)

2005 – Chris Smith:    “The problem with term limits is I’m at the apex of influence and knowledge of Tallahassee and I have nowhere to go. I love District 93. I love representing Lauderdale Manors and Dora River Bend and the central Fort Lauderdale area.”

The district’s residents, a mix of poor and working-class people in northwest Fort Lauderdale and unincorporated Central Broward, think highly of their home-grown representative.  Smith credits the NAACP Youth Council with grooming him for politics. Smith joined the NAACP as a youth member when Richard Kurtz was president.

“I never thought then that Chris would become what he is today,” Kurtz said. “Then, he was a very quiet person. He didn’t talk a lot.”  Smith attended conventions and programs during which the NAACP leadership would present its ideas and issues to the governor.  (read more)


Guess who is now appointed to lead the Florida Task Force for Removal of the Stand Your Ground Law?……  Yep, State Senator CHRIS SMITH, the same Chris Smith who fought against the Stand Your Ground law in 2005 and was a severe critic of its passage.  The same Chris Smith who was mentored in the youth movement of the Broward County NAACP by then President Richard Kurtz.

The same Richard Kurtz, Funeral Director, who handled Trayvon Martin’s body and who is sewing the seeds of deception and storyline selling for Team Trayvon with the above referenced article.

MIAMI (CBS4) – The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for the memorial service is challenging George Zimmerman’s story that the Martin and Zimmerman got in an intense physical fight before Zimmerman shot and killed the 17-year-old. 

In dressing the body we could see no physical signs he had been in a fight or a scuffle. That is something we would have had to cover up had it been there,” said Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale. (more)

Is this beginning to make sense to you now?

You don’t need to ask me what geographic areas State Senator Chris Smith covers do you?   Why,  Broward and Palm Beach counties of course 

Chris Smith http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/apps/cvp/3.0/swf/cnn_416x234_embed.swf?context=embed&videoId=bestoftv/2012/04/06/exp-early-smith-task-force-meeting.cnn target=”_blank”>Talks to CNN about Stand Your Ground

Chris Smith gives another interview with CNN about Stand Your Ground HERE

State Sen. Chris Smith (D-FL) on creating a task force to review Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law.

So, let me see if I can even begin to summarize all of these interwoven connections that form the Trayvon Scheme Team agenda:

Natalie Jackson, Benjamin Crump, Daryl Parks

It begins with Tracy Martin reaching out on February 28th to his sister-in-law attorney Patricia Jones, she in turn contacted Benjamin Crump from Parks and Crump law firm in Tallahassee.   Crump contacted Tracy Martin February 29th and took the case March 1st.

Crump then contacted Orlando Attorney Natalie Jackson to begin the process of formulating the offensive strategy.   Natalie Jackson is a Seminole County NAACP board member and serves as a member of the Legal Redress Committee.   In addition Natalie Jackson’s mom, Francis Oliver, is a major activist and historian within the NAACP.

Matt Lauer (left) Ryan Julison (right)

Natalie Jackson and Benjamin Crump hire Media Communications expert Ryan Julison, who Jackson had previously worked with on the Sanford Sherman Ware case where they were able to extort leverage financial restitution from the son of a former Sanford Police Lieutenant; the son’s name is Justin Collison, and he was charged with beating Sherman Ware.   In addition to money paid to Sherman Ware, Collison, the grandson of a very wealthy former federal judge, also paid off the NAACP.   Ryan Julison ran the media campaign to support Ware.

While Julison went about pitching the racist white George Zimmerman murdering the innocent Trayvon Martin to the media, which he did very effectively, Benjamin Crump got in touch with his former cohorts from the Martin Lee Anderson case; namely Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and National NAACP President Ben Jealous.

The Zimmerman family quickly noticed the racist narrative being drawn and sold with reckless abandon on all the media, and they reached out to Sanford/Seminole County NAACP President Turner Clayton who they thought would support George Zimmerman from Clayton’s prior knowledge of how Zimmerman actively supported Sherman Ware within the black community.   However, if Clayton supported Zimmerman and admitted the non-racist knowledge, then he would be undercutting Natalie Jackson, who was herself a member of his board and now attacking Zimmerman.   So Clayton obfuscated and kept his mouth shut so he wouldn’t lose credibility within his own ethnic community.

Ryan Julison continued selling his media pitch to multiple media outlets, and running cover for a few slip ups by Sybrina Fulton, such as when she said she thought the shooting was an accident.   The frenzy was fierce and Julison kept chumming the media water.

Sanford, Fla. City Manager Norton Bonaparte, Jr., left, speaks to Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Fla., and Sanford, Fla. Mayor Jeff Triplett, and Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla., before a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, March 20, 2012, to talk about the shooting of Trayvon Martin. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

The narrative was aided by association.   The same congressional district now held by Fredrica Wilson is hopefully being passed to Walter A Sutton the appointed Chairman for The Trayvon Martin Memorial Foundation.   In addition Fredrica Wilson joined forces with Congresswoman Corrine Brown and initiated a congressional hearing with the full support of the NAACP from Broward and Seminole Counties.   Both of whom pressured Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte to dispatch Police Chief Bill Lee thereby providing further ammunition for Benjamin Crump to litigate the city of Sanford.

In addition Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett was backed against the wall and forced to compromise his position with the police chief or face the wrath of the local forces aligned within the NAACP.  Triplett’s primary collapse under pressure was evident from his overriding of Chief Lee’s decision not to release the 911 tapes, and after a private viewing on March 16th with all anti-Zimmerman forces in his office he gave them everything they demanded.

Meanwhile NAACP President Ben Jealous, the Congressional Black Caucus, Civil Rights Activists Sharpton and Jackson were assisting Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson toward the goal of arrest, and financial reward.     They had an ACE in their sleeve in addition to the race card on their lapel.

Charlie Crist (left) – John Morgan (right)

The ACE was John Morgan, from Morgan and Morgan Law firm.   Within the law firm Morgan and Morgan sat Partner Greg Francis.   Greg Francis was the constructive decision maker behind the Pigford Settlement between black farmers and the Federal Department of Agriculture.    Connected both to Washington DC, the CBC, and Orlando, Florida.   Coincidently Greg Francis had previously hired Ryan Julison to do the PR and Media Relations work for the Pigford Settlement.

Greg Francis

But more importantly, Greg Francis was Partners with John Morgan.  Morgan is a HUGE democrat fundraiser, massive contributor, and he had just finished hosting a fundraiser attended by President Obama in Orlando, at the mega-mansion of NBA star Vince Carter.  $30,000 / per plate to be exact.

In addition former Governor Charlie Crist works for Morgan and Morgan, and it was Charlie Crist who persuaded the Florida Legislature to pay off Benjamin Crump and the family of Martin Lee Anderson to the tune of $5 million from the State.   The total cash haul from both city and state wrongful deaths lawsuits filed by Parks and Crump was over $7.4 million.    The help of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, along with then Senator Barack Obama was instrumental in winning the award.

So with Benjamin Crump now holding a firm connection to now President Obama, and with John Morgan’s campaign money, and with Greg Francis’s Pigford Washington DC connections, along with the CBC and Sharpton/Jackson et al, in hindsight it was no surprise to see President Obama in the Rose Garden advocating for his donors, friends, and supporters.     Heck, I’ll bet Axelrod saw immediate campaign dollar signs from that little quid-pro-quo.    A good investment indeed.

Meanwhile unknown to the rest of the world, because the inept and lame institutional media refuses to do just a little digging and research, massive forces are aligned to insure that George Zimmerman remains nothing more than an avenue for more power, greed and prestige.

Just look at how many people are benefitting from this one event.   It’s staggering.

Now go back and re-read this insightful American Thinker article, knowing now what you did not know then.    READ IT HERE 

Scott Swett laid out the roadmap for a paint by numbers picture, I just gave you the color key.   Take a look at what picture you end up with.

*Major HatTip to Treepers Sybilj and Tara for dropping me a bunch of breadcrumbs.

Continued on Update #18 —>

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238 Responses to Update #17 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – Trademarked Exploitation Tour Goes International – Tracy and Sybrina Jet To London England

  1. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    Hey guys… I have been out all week at the VA Hospital here at the Presidio in San Francisco (great doctors and facility, but with all the violating of my personals I have been reduced to being a man in name only).

    Anyway, I have otherwise been doing battle over on George’s FB page. (Man oh man is it easy to get pissed off over there. Takes all within me to keep my cool and simply chase off the sniveling little cowards with logic and common sense, to where the yella bellies flee when I beach slap them, like in the movie In Harm’s Way . Remember in the head when Kirk Douglas (Capt. Edington) beech slapped that uʍolɔssɐ Commander Neal Owynn and told Owynn he would be catching the last plane off the island. Love that scene. I have really digressed. Sorry about that. Not really.)

    Anyway, I think things are looking good for George. Remember, what counts is the courtroom. And every competent lawyer and Judge in the U.S. knows that the case against George Zimmerman, an American hero, is 100%, USDA Grade A, Certified Prime BULLSHEET.

    The Judge now knows that everyone else knows that Corey is The Scheme Team’s bitc#. (Follow that? I know I had trouble writing it.)

    What time has done is show the Judge that The Scheme Team is directing this entire affair and The Scheme Team’s order of battle fits on a Post-It Note… “Making Money.” This is confirmed even more with the “Martin faux family” jetting around what now looks to be the entire world.

    At best this case is has been reduced to a political venture for everyone on Trayvon Martin’s side to feed off each other. At its worst, however, evidence confirms this is a conspiracy to defraud insurance companies, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and a denial of George Zimmerman’s civil rights.

    Well, I have to take an Ambien. I’ll be back to 100% next week.

    • stellap says:

      Hope you are feeling better soon! Good to hear from you.

    • Sharon says:

      The entire episode, including the visuals on today’s post, brings to mind the word “caricature”…..so many caricatures:

      From Wikipedia (sorry, it’s early).

      caricature: a portrait that exaggerates or distorts the essence of a person, animal or object to create an easily identifiable visual likeness. In literature, a caricature is a description of a person using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others.[1]

      But, another thought, there’s this:

      According to the Indian Cartoonist S. Jithesh, a caricature is the satirical illustration of a person or a thing, but a cartoon is the satirical illustration of an idea.[2]

      Their lives are indeed both a caricature and cartoon: supposedly berieved parents supposedly suffering the loss of their supposedly angelic son in a supposed racist murder at the hands of a supposed white Peruvian Hispanic black man. I suppose that could be it.

      The good ship Lollypop is indeed anchored in their life’s harbor.

    • Arkansasmimi says:

      Hoping your on the road to feeling better soon!

  2. John Galt says:

    There are now seven “Trayvon” trademark applications:
    1. http://WWW.JUSTICEFORTRAYVON.NET (Marcus Singletary)
    2. I AM NOT TRAYVON MARTIN (Kenyatta Niles)
    3. I AM TRAYVON (Sybrina Fulton)
    4. JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON (digital media – Sybrina Fulton)
    5. JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON MARTIN FOUNDATION (inc. of same name at Crump’s address)
    6. IF I HAD A SON, HE’D LOOK LIKE TRAYVON (Martin Joseph Markley)
    7. JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON (hooded sweatshirts – Marcus Singletary)

    Go here: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4010:dv5sn3.1.1
    Type: “trayvon” into the “Search Term” box
    Click: “Submit Query”

    • howie says:

      Wonder when the IPO offering will be? Will the name on the ticker be JFT? How will Cramer view it?

    • Aoife says:

      Maybe we should trademark our own slogans…
      Trayvon Martin—what bad decisions look like.
      If I had a son, he would not look like Trayvon.
      Trayvon Martin: Show me the money!
      Trayvon Martin: the best shakedown money can buy.
      and some to support GZ with money raised to be given to the fund.
      Justice for George
      I am George Zimmerman
      We need more George Zimmerman’s.

      I’m sick of these parasites and their 15 minutes of fame.

      • howie says:

        The Mugging of America. By BHO.

      • tara says:

        I like “Trayvon Martin: Show me the money!”

        How much does it cost to trademark something? I feel like doing it. Or I’ll contribute to anyone who wants to do it.

        • minpin says:

          Didn’t I read somewhere that it costs about $400 bucks to trademark something. I’d love to see a trademark for “Justice for George Zimmerman.” Then I would love to see a line of T-shirts saying the same.

    • tara says:

      Someone trademarked “I Believe You Zimmerman” on Mar 30, 2012. :)


  3. Aoife says:

    Unbelievable. Can’t wait to tell my friends about this latest development when the subject comes up next. Let them keep this crap up because when the truth finally must be printed or put out there, they are all going to look like the boils on the butts of society they are. I will add one thing, they haven’t been having rallies here in Florida since mi-April or so. I think it’s because they know they are losing people locally because the truth is out there so they must go elsewhere where people aren’t as in tune with what’s happened since April. The grievance industry doing what it does best. Lie.

  4. Aoife says:

    The Orlando Slantinel has another puff piece of St. Skittles and his loving dad. I’m am beyond enraged at this.

    • cookbook says:

      Someone in the remarks is calling the Scheme Team’s efforts The Passion of St Trayvon the Skittles. LOL ! That moniker pretty much nails it.

      • I’ve been calling it “The Passion of Saint Skittles”, him “Saint Skittles” or “Saint Trayvon the Martyr” and them “The Martyr Family” or “Mr. and Ms. Martyr” for some time now…

        I don’t claim any credit – though think of the tee-shirt revenue I’ve lost (Maybe mommy’s not stupid after all) – I personally think it’s AWESOME that the meme is growing!

        Alyinsky taught that the best way to beat an enemy is to make them a mockery – this bunch deserves NOTHING more than scorn and mockery!

    • StephUF says:

      I was enraged also when I opened the paper this morning and saw that piece. Long since dropped it except for Sunday edition, and sure enough, mega puffery on the front page.

    • minpin says:

      Tracy Martin has to be painted as a loving dad because he left a 17 year old, suspended from school for the third time in 4 months, alone at the dad’s girlfriends home, while he went out on the town with his girlfriend. He claims to have called him at 10:30 and only got his voice mail, so he went to bed. The reports are also out there that Tracy never bothered to look for his son until the next morning, when he called the police to report him missing. He expected to see the police bring him home in the back of a police car.

      Tracy Martin has already been painted by some as an uncaring, unconcerned father, who never bothered to look for his 17 year old son, who never returned home all through the night. Was Tracy so drunk and passed out that he never woke up all night to check to see if TM had come home? Shouldn’t he have been at least a little more curious after Chad told him that TM went out at 6:30 ish to get him Tea and Skittles, and never returned back home? That is if the Chad story is true.

      Tracy Martin has to be painted as the upstanding father of the year, or the money may stop coming in.

    • …. The couple [Tracy and Sybrina], who divorced in 1999, are now facing a media firestorm together while also coping with every parent’s worst nightmare: the loss of a child. Though they split when he was just 4 years old, Trayvon’s parents have been inseparable since his death, making virtually all of their public and media appearances together. Martin said they remained friends after the divorce, recognizing their son needed both parents.

      Alicia Stanley, whom Martin married in 2005, said it was always apparent to her that Martin and Trayvon “were the best of friends.” “He is a very good father,” Stanley told the Sentinel. She said she and Martin split up just weeks before Trayvon’s death…..

      Brandi Green must be feeling like an irrelevent cheap idiot right about now. :( Hang around a one legged man long enough and ya’ end up limpin’.


      • tara says:

        I’m wondering if Tracy Martin is still married to Alicia Stanley. Their marriage record is not in Dade County, but their purchase of a home is, and it lists them as “husband and wife”.

        I find this interesting. They purchased a home in 2006. The initial mortgage document shows that they borrowed $174,400 in a balloon ARM (idiots!) at 8.85% interest beginning Apr 1 2006, and that initial rate was only good for 2 years. The min rate, regardless of the ARM index, would remain 8.85% and the max rate would be %14.85 Who the hell would take out a loan like this ??? They got used. And then in Dec 2007 the lender filed a foreclosure against them. In the foreclosure document dated Jun 2008 it says they owed $173.784 for the principle (did they make only one mortgage payment or something??), $7k in interest for the latter half of 2007, and $7k in interest for the first half of 2008, plus fees and insurance premiums. It came to a whopping $202,818. In just a year and a half they put themselves in the hole that much. Spectacular. These idiots helped to create the housing and mortgage crises.

      • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

        Query: So which of these two model parents signed off on, or allowed, Trayvon getting his arms plastered with “I got these in prison” style tattoos. And who paid for his gold grill?

        – Remember, in Florida it is a misdemeanor for anyone to apply tattoos, if they are unlicensed.

        – It is a misdemeanor for a licensed tattoo artist to apply a tattoo to anyone under age 18. But,

        – It is OK for someone 15 – 17 to get a tattoo, providing a parent gives notarized permission for the minor to get a tattoo, and that permission is given to the licensed artist.

        As I said before, the fact that Trayvon had prison style (meaning crude) tattoos on his arms evidences either extremely poor supervision of Trayvon (his being able to “sneak off” and get tattoos), or what I think it really is, Trayvon’s dad thinking it OK, acceptable and cool for his son to get tattoos (that actually made him look like a thug and criminal).

        Remember the uproar in the news about the (insane) mother who allegedly took her daughter on to a tanning bed? Well, that kid did not look all that injured, she had a slight sunburn according to witnesses.

        If the nation and media are getting upset about a slight tan from a tanning bed, and calling for the imprisonment of the mother and taking away her child, shouldn’t the media be calling into question the lousy parents Trayvon Martin’s parents were, as evidenced by his having a gold grill and multiple tattoos.

        IMO whenever the media echos the narrative that Trayvon’s parents were so wonderful, someone should ask them, in front of clicking cameras and whirring camcorders, “Uh, can you please tell us about the little one’s tattoos and bottom row of gold teeth? When did he get the tattoos, did you approve of them, did he ask for your permission, did you provide legal permission to he whoever did the tattoos?”

        Of course, no one is going to touch these issues because of their status as the bereaved, but whenever they say they were great parents that opens the door to these inquiries, IMO.

        I really wish they would look into this. If TM was alive the parents could have been subject to a child endangerment charge, his being at risk for a deadly infection or whatever. To be sure, that’s why they have laws related to tattoos, to protect the public from unlicensed “artists” who are unsanitary, use dirty needles, don’t take precautions (such as cleaning the skin with alcohol before applying inks with needles).

        If Trayvon got those tattoos from a friend or neighbor (most likely that’s what happened) this shows a complete disregard by the parents for the safety of Trayvon, that’s not even taking into account how those particular tattoos transformed Trayvon from a child into looking like a thug. (I would be curious what Trayvon’s school administrators did about all this, on seeing a minor show up to school with tattoos covering his arms. Seems to me they failed in their duty to report this to the police.)

        While it may seem I am going on and on about this, the tattoos and gold grill will become relevant to retort the State’s evidence that that night Trayvon Martin was simply a “child on his way back from a 7/11, carrying candy and a tea beverage.”

        • MRM says:

          Michael – remember, most of the sheeple – including the lazy media – haven’t even seen any pix of St. Skittles that show him any older than, what, twelve? I’m sure most of them have no idea he had tats or a gold grill. Just Skittles…. and tea… poor dear.

  5. mkm19602000 says:

    Actually I think they’re going to London says it all. If things were going swimmingly, they would not have gone so soon.Plus they will be out of town when the decision comes down about GZ’s use of force. Enjoy it now Ms. Fulton and Mr. Martin your days are numbered.

    • justice099 says:

      Given the fact that the arraignment takes place in 2 days and O’Mara has made it clear that he hasn’t wanted evidence yet, he either has an ace up his sleeve or he intends to let this go to a trial and isn’t going to properly argue to have it thrown out.

      I hope that he has an ace up his sleeve, because I will have lost all confidence in him if his plan is to allow this to go to trial. My reason for that is because going to trial immediately opens Zimmerman up to civil liability, and that means he is not making his best effort to serve the best interests of his client by not seeking to throw this out.

      Again, recall, that there are some that believe O’Mara may be in on this in some way and his purpose is to convince Zimmerman to take a plea bargain. I hadn’t subscribed to that myself, but with his actions over the discovery, I am slowly starting to move in that direction.

      • howie says:

        The only plea bargain might be illegal parking.

      • Aoife says:

        My understanding of the lack of discovery request is related to the threats against potential witnesses favorable to the defense. He doesn’t want those people exposed any more until their safety can be assured. Isn’t that sad? I’ll say it here again though…the only reason Team Skittles finds it necessary to take their show on the road is they have to be getting the feeling their BS narrative isn’t playing well anymore stateside so they have to take it to places that may not be following the latest info as we are. In a way…I hope they keep this up because as in physics…for every action…..

        • justice099 says:

          Yeah, but I am not fully buying that. He has had PLENTY of time to file those orders and have the info redacted yet he has not. And what about discovery that doesn’t include naming witnesses?

          I don’t know what his plan is, but he is going to have a hard time at the arraignment hearing trying to throw out the case when he doesn’t even know what evidence the prosecution has to support their charge.

          This is really shaping up to be a dog and pony show, and it doesn’t ‘feel’ like anyone is really looking out for Zimmerman’s best interests.

          • howie says:

            His defense may be so easy he does not even need it. This case looks like a defense lawyers dream. He will get to depose TM’s parents. He will get to depose the Police and Norm Wolfinger. The only evidence the state has is Zim’s statements and the witnesses.

            • justice099 says:

              True, but honestly, it shouldn’t even go to trial. The arraignment is suppose to be about the Prosecution presenting enough of it’s case to back up the Probable Cause. But, if O’Mara has not even looked at that evidence (because the probable cause doesn’t have it in there) then how is he going to argue that this should be thrown out.

              It may be easy to win the trial, but it shouldn’t even make it that far. Yet, due to his actions, now it will. And regardless of whether Zimmerman is found guilty or not, THAT opens up the floodgates to civil liablity. Exactly what the Martin’s wanted all along.

              So, regardless of the outcome, the Martin’s win. The only way they don’t is if it never goes to trial.

              • howie says:

                It will probably be dismissed for lack of evidence. That is what I think. I do not think the state has enough evidence to support the charge. Then Zim can go after the Schemers.

              • justice099 says:

                Hmm, it seems that I may have gotten this wrong. The arraignment is not that. It is just a formal reading of the charges, apparently.

                The “Evidentiary Hearing” which will take place at a later time (unless it is scheduled at the same time) is where it is decided if there will be a trial or not.

                So apparently the arraginment hearing isn’t that big of a deal.


                • howie says:

                  Omara will have everything the state has before the prelim. He can make a motion to dismiss. He can move to supress. Lots of ways and means.

                • minpin says:

                  I thought I read that an Immunity hearing normally takes place on the same day as the Arraignment hearing, just prior to the formal charges being read. Is that not the case?

                  • justice099 says:

                    From what I am reading, it could be either/or. However, lawyers give the opinion that Zimmerman would have to testify to an affirmative defense (such as throwing the case out) and since he will not be present at the arraignment hearing, we can probably assume that it will not be held at the same time.

                  • minpin says:

                    It would seem to make sense to me that if O’Mara has enough evidence to prove that GZ acted in self-defense, that it would save time, expense, and further court proceedings, and to ask for that hearing ASAP. O’Mara’s defense fees would stop, the taxpayers money for the prosecutors would stop, and it would go away quickly. Of course nothing about this case seems to make much sense.

                  • howie says:

                    I don’t think so. Zim won’t even be there. The prelim is where Omara can get him off if the state does not have evidence. There is a lot of latitude in the evidence the state can present. If they have nothing the charges will be dismissed. Arraignment is just to enter not guilty and set schedules. I think.

          • minpin says:

            Justice- I started to question O’Mara’s motives when he moved away from saying “if” this goes to trial back in the beginning of his representation, to now talking about the trial and jury pool. When he made the statements about GZ’s paypal account, and that he didn’t know anything about it until a few days before the last hearing, I’ve grown very suspicious of his intent. From what he posted himself, GZ used some of the money for his account at the jail. O’Mara would have to have known that. The family also used $5,000 of the money for his bond. How could O’Mara not know that? By saying publicly, including in a CNN interview, the night before the last hearing, that GZ only told him about the account a few days before, makes GZ look like a liar, or that he is not being on the up and up with him. Then when he started the FB page, supposedly to get out the true and correct information about the case, and to dispel the rumors, he hasn’t given the first piece of info in GZ’s favor. He has done absolutely nothing to dispel the numerous rumors that have been posted constantly on the site, yet has removed, and in some cases banned those supporting GZ. Every once in a while I check to see if the comments are still as bad, and as numerous from the TM supporters, and it always seems to be getting worse. Now it seems that some have actually made friends with each other, and go their just to chat. The site is not helping GZ in any way, and should be taken down. It serves no purpose, and is not where donations are being collected anyway. I wonder if they haven’t angered and chased away those that would have donated.

            The judge had already ordered the witnesses to be protected, and their info redacted at the bail hearing. That came up towards the end of that hearing. De La Riondo had also brought up GZ’s website and donations at that hearing. O’Mara said that he hadn’t gotten around to checking on that yet, so he knew about the account, though maybe not how much money was in the account. It’s possible that the friend of GZ who helped him set up the website, may have been the only one monitoring the site, and didn’t report the amount of donations to anyone.

            I understood O’Mara wanting to let emotions, and the 24/7 news reporting on the story to die down, but it has now gone beyond that. He has to be well aware that the traveling Martin road show is in full force, and will not go away. What good is it to GZ to be a prisoner of the state, constantly monitored, and with a curfew most teenagers don’t have. He, his wife, and his entire family, cannot get on with their lives, whatever the outcome may be. Their lives have been put on hold. What ever happened to a defendant’s right to a speedy trial, or even an Immunity hearing? I’m moving in the same direction with wondering if O’Mara really does have GZ’s best interests at heart. After all, O’Mara has now moved into the spotlight also with his representation of such a high profile client. Man I hope I’m wrong.

            • tara says:

              I don’t think it’s at all unusual that O’Mara wasn’t aware of the money GZ had raised through his own web site. Regarding the inmate phone calls, I’m not sure how it works in Florida, but I think in Illinois the receiver pays for the call, not the inmate. And anyone who wishes to contribute to the inmate’s commissary account can simply send money. I remember in GZ’s jail (because I looked it up) in order to send money you’d have to be on his approved visiting list, but it would still not be under the scrutiny of the attorney.

          • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

            I have not read all your comments, but it seems you don’t understand how things work in a criminal case, nor how this case will track.

            I am headed over to the market, but just to comment, here in California an arraignment is simply a procedure for the charged defendant to formally enter a plead of guilty or not guilty.

            Here in California the defendant does not even have to appear at an arraignment. The attorney can enter a plea, especially if everyone agrees that in cases where a defendant must appear, the parties and Judge can agree to the defendant not appearing.

            My understanding is that the arraignment in this case is a “non-event” in that everyone, media especially, expect George to plead not guilty. It is NOT what you appear to think it is, a mini trial or the time when the stand your ground motion to dismiss will be argued. (This is additionally evidenced that O’Mara has NOT filed that motion, and has NOT told the court that Zimmerman intends to not file that motion.)

            Think about it, anyway. Why would Zimmerman pass on filing that motion. There’s a less burden of proof and there’s not loss to him, nor does it hurt his case, if he files it and loses. If he loses on that motion, the case simply proceeds to trial.

            Discovery and the motion to dismiss (stand your ground hearing) having nothing to do with an arraignment. And as in the case I posted here and on George’s FB page, George can file a motion to dismiss at any time, even close to trial.


            So I don’t see where there’s a concern about what is or is not going on with discovery, at this juncture anyway.

            If I was O’Mara I would NOT file the motion to dismiss (SYG hearing) until I was sure I had all the evidence I needed to win the motion. And I would do what he is doing, I would not try the case in the media or on Facebook. I would continue to hold my cards close to the vest. And I sure wouldn’t come in here or on FB and reveal George’s strategy.

            I would do what O’Mara is doing, post questions on FB such as “What do you think about this or that issue” and get hundreds of hours of free research and to test the issues on the public.

            Just saying.

            • justice099 says:

              You are correct, of course. I gathered that after digging a little deeper. I am an engineer, not a lawyer. :)

        • Dan says:

          “My understanding of the lack of discovery request is related to the threats against potential witnesses favorable to the defense. He doesn’t want those people exposed any more until their safety can be assured. Isn’t that sad? ”

          Yes, extremely sad. The witness intimidation against the witnesses will be a huge problem. I believe I read their statements were signed, and I hope the witnesses statements were also audio taped. This will be HUGE.

        • Sharon says:

          I don’t see how threats against potentially favorable defense witnesses could outweigh protecting the interests of his clients…..?

    • cookbook says:

      I do not think that is going to go like they think it is. “Hoodied” youths tried to create another Great Fire of London last year. It takes more than a year to get the most photographed riots in history out of people’s heads. The Brits rounded them up and put them in prison.

      • justice099 says:

        Actually, didn’t they BAN hoodies in England because of the amount of crimes committed by people in hoodies? I thought I read that years back.

        • cookbook says:

          Some shops and shopping centers did and there was a big stink but it was not a legal ban just an individual property owner ban.

        • Aoife says:

          that’s what I was going to say…I believe there was a ban on hoodies in the UK a couple of years ago because ‘yobs’ were committing crimes wearing them. Perhaps some ‘civil rights’ twerps over there want Team Skittles present to show how RAAACCCIST that ban is…you have to know there are other motivations and who the hell is bankrolling these scumbags? Another thing though…some UK papers were first in reporting on GZ favorably..Reuters was one outlet that had a good article so you’re right, they may not get the reception they desire.

  6. minpin says:

    Just as Tracy has obviously chucked aside Brandy Green, where is Mr. Fulton? It would seem that Sybrina Fulton remarried after her divorce from Tracy Martin. Sybrina had mentioned that Trayvon was her youngest son, where are her toher children, who ever they are. It would seem that they would be out supporting their mother and their step-brother. Not a peep about any of those people. Sybrina is such a grieving mother, yet never acknowledges any of her other children.

    • justice099 says:

      Trayvon had at least an older brother that was in college. He was mentioned and interviewed at least once in the media. Unfortunately I do not remember his name. Based on the records that I looked at, the child support orders between Tracy and Sybrina are only about Trayvon, so I would assume that this other boy is not Tracy Martin’s biological son.

      And her maiden name appears to have been Fulton according to the divorce papers, so I am not so sure about a re-marry.

      • justice099 says:

        In fact, it appears as if Sybrina never took Tracy’s last name in the marriage.

      • minpin says:

        Thanks for the info justice. I wondered if there were any other little Sybrina’s out there that she couldn’t control. If the other son is already away at college, he is already on his own.

        • justice099 says:

          If we find his name, we might be able to find evidence whether she had majority custody of him in the first place. She might not have.

          • justice099 says:

            Jahvaris Fulton is his name

            • justice099 says:

              BTW, he has a facebook page and it is full of connections, and such. I “think” Ronald Fulton may be his father.

              • justice099 says:

                According to Tracy Martin’s facebook page, he announces “In a relationship” with Brandy Green on Feb. 16th, 2012. And according to his (ex?)-wife (Alicia Martin…she hasn’t changed her name) they had just split up a few weeks before the shooting.

                So, yeah, Tracy did NOT know Brandy for very long, and neither did Chad know Trayvon all that well.

                • Raoul says:

                  I don’t think you can conclude Tracy did not know Brandy for very long. It has been reported Trayvon had visited several times. So is it correct that Tracy was or still is married to Alicia Stanley?

                  • justice099 says:

                    I’m not really concluding it, just establishing that it seems pretty likely given the statements made by Alicia Stanley (Martin) and the facebook. I do not know any of these people personally, so there is no way I could “conclude” anything.

                    But there is my evidence to substantiate my claim.

                  • justice099 says:

                    As far as them still being married, I cannot find divorce documents for them, while I can for Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin. So, I cannot conclude that, but I can reasonably assume that.

                • SharonK says:

                  I suspect Tracy was shacking up w/ Brandi whilst still married and together w/ Alicia. There were statements about Trayvon visiting previously and playing football with other kids in the neighborhood. Curiouser and curiouser…

              • minpin says:

                So then Fulton is not Sybrina’s maiden name, it is the name of her first (?) husband. Why would someone get divorced, and then take back their first husband’s name? that seems odd.

                So Tracy was married to Sybrina, and then to Alicia. Now he was looking to marry Brandy, as she has been referred to by some as his finacee. Who knows if he wasn’t married to others, even before Sybrina. Who knows if he doesn’t have any other children.

                No excuses for TM, but no wonder he was screwed up. He didn’t know who to call dad and mom at any given time. These would not be the Parents of the Year, by any stretch.

                • stellap says:

                  I can see why Sybrina might go back to the name “Fulton”. Her oldest son carries that name, and she probably used it for years. And maybe she doesn’t like her maiden name. I use my ex’s last name because it was my daughter’s last name, and I don’t really like my maiden name. Nobody spelled or pronounced it correctly, and I DO like my married last name. I have a friend who has been married 3 times (don’t ask!), and she uses the last name of her second ex-husband – and he isn’t the father of her two children!

                  • justice099 says:

                    My ex-wife has kept my last name. And we don’t even have kids together. She asked if it was ok and I told her that was fine.

                • jimrtex says:

                  Trayvon Martin has an uncle with the last name of Fulton who is a paraplegic (as a result of an auto accident) and lives with Sybrina. He was before his accident an airplane mechanic, and is supposedly the inspiration for Trayvon’s interest in aviation.

                  Since Sybrina and her older son both use Fulton, she was likely a single mother when she met Tracy Martin. I think Jaharvis Fulton is 21, so he would have been between 4 and 8 while Sybrina and Tracy were married.

              • Splat! says:

                A link to a sympathetic interview with Trayvon’s Uncle, Ronald Fulton. Ronald is Sybrina’s brother. Fulton is her maiden name.

                http://bit.ly/HkP1pm (nbc miami)

              • Aussie says:

                Ronald Fulton is Sybrina’s disabled brother.

                • Lulu says:

                  have a hunch that Sybrina was not married to the father of her eldest son.

                  Alicia explains the 3-1/2 year old “little brother” of Trayvon who was reportedly brought to the NBA basketball game that the Martins attended in Orlando a while back. Story appeared once – a player had arranged for him to be there as “a surprise” – and disappeared, pronto!

                  • Aussie says:

                    I think that this is correct. I have seen nothing that suggests that she had been married prior to her marriage to Tracy Martin.

                    She did the right thing when she dumped the two-timer.

                  • jimrtex says:

                    In one of the Alicia interviews, she said that she was a grandmother and that Trayvon would play with his young nephews (ie her grandchildren, and the sons of her older-than-Trayvon children, who would be Trayvon’s step-siblings.)

        • kinthenorthwest says:

          Were they ever legally married???
          Or were they just living together for a while an considered themselves married for the sake of the child…

          • tara says:

            It’s complex. :) Sybrina had a kid (Jaharvis I think) with some other guy. Then she married Tracy Martin and they had Trayvon. Then they divorced and Tracy married Alicia Stanley. The divorce records of Sybrina and Tracy are online on the Dade County web site.

            • scubachick75 says:

              Here are some other family members
              Alicia Twanna Stanley Martin
              Stephen Oliver Martin
              Kevin L Martin
              Sybrina Denise Fulton
              Cora Mae Davis

              • scubachick75 says:

                More RELATIVES:
                Marion Fulton
                Mark Fulton
                Stephaine Fulton
                Jahvaris Fulton
                Ronald Fulton

    • Aoife says:

      Hubby said that a true picture of a grieving mom was Junior Seau’s mom. It was heartbreaking. Parasite Fuller has yet to even have a tear drip down her cheek.

    • Aussie says:

      I thought Fulton was her maiden name

  7. justice099 says:

    Some of you may recall me in another thread alluding to something I had heard on Zimmerman’s police call. I mentioned that I had emailed the mods of this site (before I joined here) about this. It was suggested that because there are so many tips submitted that it was encrouaged to provide tips as full articles to help. Unfortunately, writing articles is definitely NOT my strong suit (okay, I am horrible at it, honestly.)

    Some of you may have been curious about what I was talking about. I think (hope) it is safe for me to just mention it here within the thread. Mods, please delete this comment if you disagree with that.

    On the police call, at 1:29, there is a moment where neither Zimmerman or the dispatcher are talking.

    I have to frame up what was happening just prior to this moment, first:

    Zimmerman had just told the dispatcher about Trayvon staring at him, having his hand in his wasitband and coming to check him out. This is what I hear during the silence:

    There is an unknown voice heard in the background. It sounds to me to say either “no good mother f**ker” or “I’ve got a gun, mother f**cker.” The “mother f**cker” part is very clear, but the rest is not so clear.

    Right as this voice is being heard, you can hear Zimmerman shifting around very quickly in the car, and what sounds like his ignition being turned to on without the seatbelt and what might be him rolling up a window. Zimmerman says “Yep” in the middle of this silence, obviously not in response to anything the dispatcher is saying (who isn’t talking.) After the unknown voice is heard, you hear Zimmerman move a lot, and this is when he says, “These assholes, they always get away” very agitated (which is the first time in the call where he doesn’t sound calm.) Note that Martin was not already running when he says this. Here is the transcript:

    Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.
    Dispatcher: OK.
    Zimmerman: He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.
    Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
    Zimmerman: He’s got button on his shirt. Late teens.
    Dispatcher: Late teens? ok.
    Zimmerman: Something’s wrong with him.
    Zimmerman: Yup, he’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is.
    Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
    Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
    Dispatcher: Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
    Zimmerman: Okay.

    ***************Voice in the background*******************************

    Zimmerman: (agitated and moving a lot) These assholes they always get away.
    Zimmerman: When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.

    Now what is possibly significant about this is that I heard it and submitted the tip about it BEFORE the articles came out about Trayvon circling Zimmerman’s truck. I had mentioned it a couple of times on other forums, but no one seems to have noticed my posts and listened to it to confirm.

    About the conditions of my discovery: I was listening to the call again because of a debate I was having with a team skittles member. They were mentioning something unrelated in the call, and I wanted to listen again before responding in order to make sure I had my facts straight. While listening, THIS TIME, I happened to be using headphones. That was when that unknown voice just jumped out at me. I had never heard it before that.

    Now, knowing it is there, I can clearly hear the “…mother f**cker” part without headphones, but can’t hear the rest very well at all.

    I would like others to listen to this and tell me what they think. I have attempted to clean up the audio to isolate that voice as much as possible, but I am not an expert in that. I was able to make it a little clearer. However, before I would post that enhanced clip, I really wanted to get some confirmation from those listening to the unmodified call first (so I am not accused of tampering with it.) So I am leaving it to you to find whatever source you want to listen to the call. I have never posted any audio clip regarding this case anywhere so none of the sources would have come from me.

    My hope is that someone better at this than I am will clean up the audio and make it much clearer to understand what was said. And to shine some light on it, as I feel it is pretty significant. Especially in light of the reports of Trayvon circling the SUV.

    • justice099 says:

      I do ask that nobody run around repeating this unless it is well confirmed as fact. Please don’t simply take my word for it. That has been hesitation to bring it up in the first place.

      • cookbook says:

        I do not hear anything but noise which I cannot identify. That said I am not trying the case. You should send this to O’Mara. Audio analyis is a good use of defense funds especially if Zimmerman says the child Trayvon approached his vehicle and was mouthing off to intimidate him to make him stop watching whatever the heck he was doing. The very idea that a Neighborhood Watch guy can’t WATCH someone in public without being accused of stalking is insane.

        • justice099 says:

          Interesting. You don’t even hear a voice at all?

          • minpin says:

            There seems to be many different 911 tapes. Crump referred to 8 when he talked about the parents listening to those tapes in the mayor’s office. I’m sure most of them were from people calling in to report the fight and hearing a gunshot. Is it possible that background sounds, such as what you heard, can be filtered out of the 911 tapes in some replays? The Crumpetts did splice and dice to make their doctored tape that was played on TV.

            • justice099 says:

              I have checked a few other sources and I can hear it on all of the calls that have this part of the recording.

          • cajunkelly says:

            While I do not hear anything but noise at the point you’re talking about, something else caught my attention while listening, again, to that call. When the 911 operator asks Z if he’s following, you hear a lot of rustling, then the operator tells him we don’t need you to do that and Z says OK, the rustling stops, which to me indicates Z did stop walking at that point.

            Seriously, I didn’t hear anything but a static type noise at the point you indicate. I don’t even hear what you describe as the ignition being turned on without the seatbelt engaged. I’m assuming you mean you hear the seatbelt ping. I don’t hear that at all.


          • I have listened to it 8 times and I hear a lot of noise where George is moving around and something in between but I can’t make it out. I have not done any enhancing because I don’t know hos to do that though.

        • justice099 says:

          Oh, and I did notify O’Mara about this already. Didn’t get a response, but I didn’t expect one either. If there is something there, hopefully he will take notice of it.

        • justice099 says:

          Cookbook, not sure if it makes a difference, but I had posted the wrong time mark. I just realized that when I listened again.

      • garnette says:

        I heard something being said. I couldn’t identify what was being said but it sounded like Get Lost to me. However, it puts the next comment by GZ more in context because he is not really talking to the dispatcher but in some way as a response to what was said. It may have just been something he said to himself out of frustration of what was said to him.

        • tara says:

          If he did say something then the police interviewers know about it and O’Mara will know about it. I don’t hear anything in the recording though.

    • CTDAR says:

      Justice099 Can u post audio link again? Thx

      • justice099 says:

        This is one source (the one I used), but there are others.

        • justice099 says:

          DOH! Listening to it again, I screwed up. It is at 1:39, not 1:29. It is right after he says “These assholes, they always get away.”

          • howie says:

            I hear it. Sounds like a ghost wisper. You MF’r.

            • justice099 says:

              Good. Either I am not crazy, or you and I are both crazy. lol

              • howie says:

                I sounds like Zim breathing. He has asthma.

                • justice099 says:

                  Good suggestion, I will listen again. But why would it be the only time you would hear that? I mean he was running and nothing else on the tape sounds like that.

                  • justice099 says:

                    No, it can’t be his breathing. You can hear it while he is talking. I really need to post the cleaned up version somewhere. It is much easier to hear.

            • John Galt says:

              Call the CNN and NBC audio editing and analysis departments. Maybe they can clean it up to: “Imma kill you, Cracka MF’r”

              • JB says:

                The ‘wind sound’ ends at around 2:45. That noise comes from running. If he’s hunting him down to kill him, why is he on the phone with 911, asking to be called back, and stopped running? In all this time, Trayvon should have been home. It’s impossible to believe that ‘team skittles’ would have as many supporters if they heard this full tape from the get go. Plus he’s scared of this kid (3:48).

                Good luck Ms Corey. BTW, if you listen to the 911 calls of the shooting, about 20-30 seconds BEFORE the shot is a loud bang. What is it? Could it be head on concrete?

              • tara says:

                “Imma kill you, Cracka MF’r” Hahah! I’m imagining one of those really poor editing jobs where it comes out sounding like a computer voice.

          • stellap says:

            I hear something too, but don’t know what it is. If he was threatened, wouldn’t he have repeated it to the dispatcher? He does say “yeah”, but otherwise just keeps giving directions etc. to the dispatcher, other than the ‘these bastards always get away’ remark.

            BTW, you did a great job of making a mini post!

            • justice099 says:

              Thank you, Stella. I really don’t have any answers or theories, because I am not 100% sure what it says other than the mf’r part, which is very clear to me. I can’t claim that the voice is Trayvon’s or anything else. When I thought I could hear “I’ve got a gun mf’er” it made some sense to me about Trayvon having his hand in his waistband. And then when the story came out about Trayvon circling the vehicle, it made even more sense that it was probably Trayvon.

              I hear the voice when I clean things up a little saying something even before that, but Zimmerman and the dispatcher are talking, so I can’t isolate it.

              I even tried assuming maybe it was the sound of wiper blades or something, but you can hear those earlier in the call and it isn’t the same sound.

              Also, notice that Zimmerman seems to react, not just with “yup”, but sudden body movements and a more agitated voice at that time. He is pretty calm the rest of the call.

              So I submit it to discuss and analyze in the hopes of solving it.

          • tara says:

            I’m just not hearing any discernable voice, and I have good hearing. And I’m quite sure GZ would have mentioned it to the dispatcher, since he was so thoroughly describing TM’s other actions. I think GZ would have said something like “This guy just yelled something at me”. Instead, he very calmly provides instructions to the dispatcher.

            But as i posted earlier, if TM really did yell at GZ then GZ probably mentioned it at the police interrogation and he probably told O’Mara as well. And if he did, then I’m sure they’ll scrutinize the recording.

            • justice099 says:

              Well, maybe you need to get the qtips out, young lady! ;) Just teasing, of course.

              It is odd that some people can hear it and some can’t. I guess that makes it crappy evidence, really.

              • tara says:

                Well I did wake up with a plugged ear this morning after pulling out an ear plug. :)

          • Aussie says:

            I heard the sound, but not sure if it is what you said, but it certainly sounded that way.

  8. minpin says:

    I wonder if Sybrina and Tracy will be willing to give refunds to those that will be very angry when the truth finally comes out that GZ was in fact acting in self defense against a 17 year old punk thug, that put him in a life or death situation.

    • Sharon says:

      oh, goodness. I’m sure they will. Because they’re truly just overwhelmed in their grief, doncha know; and apparently enjoying the healing of the marriage and their second honeymoon and stuff. Look for the book to be released soon. Docudrama to follow.

      • tara says:

        And also we know that they’ll pay the proper income taxes on these donations. (GZ has tp pay income tax on the donations he received.) That’s why keeping the funds in trash cans is a really great idea.

  9. Michell says:

    All of the grieving parents I’ve known have had a hard time just going back to the real world, can’t recall any of them traveling around the country much less traveling outside the country. There is such a thing as crossing a line and losing the sympathy factor. I have heard some who felt really bad for the parents and wanting a conviction for them to heal, to now saying they’re exploiting their son’s death for their personal gain.
    I liken them to Caylee Anthony’s grandparents, they had a lot of sympathy until they used the poor little girl’s death for personal gain and photo shoots on their paid vacations, not many people who like them anymore, these people are going to find themselves in the same position before long.

    • Sharon says:

      Three years ago in a small town near us in western MN, the oldest daughter of the local barber was killed in a terrible school bus accident: two buses loaded with band members returning from a great fun outing to Chicago. The barber shop was closed for several weeks. Family and friends closed ranks around them. No one got to them without prior relationship.

      There was a trial, charges were negligent homicide. As I recall, the parents never made more than two statements via media: one within weeks after her death, thanking the public for their sympathy, cards, and food delivered to the home; the other on the anniversary of her death, expressing still their quiet and devastated sorrow. They never said a public word about that driver.

      Numb. Silent. Sorrow.

  10. CTDAR says:

    I’m sure they are already working on the book entitled;
    TRAYVON later to become a movie.

  11. eah says:

    If true, it takes a lot of gall to go to London, where many Londoners probably wish the police had shot a few Blacks during the recent riots. But they and their handlers do not appear to lack gall.

    • Aussie says:

      the London riots began because the police shot a black man who was also a drug dealer. He was in a cab, and the story is that he had pulled a gun… but that might not have been true.

      Also, in London there is the case of the black man who was beaten to death not long after the London bombings.

  12. bill says:

    very interesting justice 099 but I doubt trayvon would have said he had a gun because I don’t think zimmerman would have got out of the car. It’s interesting (at this time) that the dispatcher should ask Zimmerman to report if Trayvon did any thing else. Its not 30 seconds later that some report the dispatcher ordered (actually suggested) Zimmerman to not follow. The detective said he didn’t believe zimmerman when he said he was frightened and then followed trayvon. I’m beginning to think (and this is just supposition) that Tracy martin had the transcript of Zimmerman’s testimony and invented DeeDEE’s testimony from this timeline.

    • justice099 says:

      I’m not trying to plant something, just reporting a couple possibilities about what I think I hear.

      However, by the same argument you give, if he stated that he was scared of Trayvon’s actions of circling his car (if it is true that he said that) then he ALSO would not have gotten out of the car. Or perhaps, he didn’t hear him. Recordings can be pretty sensitive. I can record in my own house and sometimes pick up conversations in a neighbors house well beneath the noise floor.

      A third option is tht whatever voice I heard was from someone not even involved and unrelated.

      A fourth option is that I am completely out of my head and there is no voice at all there (seems someone that just listened to it doesn’t hear it at all.)

      This is why I wanted to post it, to get other opinions. Maybe I am just crazy. lol

      • minpin says:

        You just reminded me of those “listen up” devices advertised on TV. You know the one where the babe hears some other babes saying she has a great body, or where a hunter can hear a deer 16 miles away? LOL Just being funny.

      • Kelly says:


        Can you post a link to your cleaned up version of that tape?

        In addition, considering what you posted above, I think it’s possible, since 911 operators are in a “boiler room” type setting, that part of a conversation from another call may have bled into Z’s call recording.

        • justice099 says:

          I will see if I can post it somewhere. Any suggestions? I only have my personal youtube account and that has my real name all over it.

          I did consider that, and in fact there are other parts in the call where you can hear background conversations on the dispatcher side. This sounds very different though. That is a possibility, though, of course.

        • justice099 says:

          Posted it below. Youtube added a bunch of noise back in, so it was not the best choice. No idea where else to upload it with a bit more quality.

    • Aussie says:

      I agree with your supposition. I do think that “deedee” is a bit of an invention.

  13. Shalini says:

    Had these people spent enough time on their son, he might not be dead today. They couldn’t take time off to properly discipline him or monitor his behaviour when he was alive and now they have all the time in the world to go around dressed elegantly. How can these people live with themselves?? They are in a way responsible for their son’s death and now they want to ruin another man’s life. Despicable.

    • tara says:

      I’m going to be very suspicious if their next stops on Tour de Skittles are Switzerland and Monaco. :)

  14. minpin says:

    Justice- I thought I read here somewhere that the judge has ordered that GZ appear at the Arraignment hearing. Don’t know if that’s true.

  15. bill says:

    Yeah i think that zimmerman (in his testimony to someone) said he was unnerved by Trayvon circling his car. One investigator thought if zimmerman was upset by this then why would he get out and follow Trayvon. Anyhow, the way the attorneys are handling this case now has me stumped.

    • justice099 says:

      Well, I think it premature to defend his actions regarding something that hasn’t been confirmed to have come from him. But, if Zimmerman was planning to become a cop, he understood what courage means. If he was worried that Trayvon might hurt someone else, he may have felt the need to pursue him whether he was scared or not. It is the same thing he would have been expected to do if he became a cop.

      • minpin says:

        It appears that the meme that GZ was a “cop wannabe” was manufactured by the team with an agenda. In the bail hearing, GZ’s dad was asked that question, and he said that GZ expressed a desire to become a magistrate, which he was prior to his retirement. I don’t believe I’ve heard anyone saying that GZ told them he wanted to become a cop.

        In an article in the Miami Huffpoop, where they give high accolades to B Crump, it was said that Crump has pursued legal actions against “several” law enforcement agencies. The NAACP hates the law enforcement officials of any stripe, as they blame the law for the high incarceration rate of blacks. It’s not the fault of those committing crimes, it is the fault of the police for arresting them for committing those crimes. There is a reason why Chief Lee was shoved aside, and a new black chief was appointed, especially one who has been actively involved with the ACLU and the NAACP. It seems that the sentiment is that a black police chief won’t arrest as many blacks for committing crimes, and the black incarceration rate will drop.

  16. bill says:

    Yeah that could be true, but it plays into this theory of a rogue watchman with a loaded gun. There’s probably enough evidence to back Zimmermans story, but I wish the public (meaning me lol) had all the information that I’ll bet Tracys parents have.

  17. bill says:

    I hope thats not George Zimmerman (under his breath) saying I’ve got a gun motherf**cker

    • stellap says:

      I don’t think that’s likely, considering that he’s having a conversation with the dispatcher at the same time.

  18. bill says:

    yeah your right bad joke

  19. Aoife says:

    Wait just a damn minute. Got the chance to read the article on my phone unencumbered and saw the bit about Tracy Martins wife–who said st skittles was killed just weeks after they had split up. Yet Brandi Green has been referred to as the fiancé of Tracey. What a stud! No wonder he didn’t have time to look after his snowflake. To busy being a playa

  20. JB says:

    I always wondered if Trayvon was a kid who was just angry with a divorce and not happy with where life was going and that’s why he started to behave the way he did (3 suspensions, the supposed swinging at a bus driver that his cousin asked about on twitter). Maybe he just was in a real bad state of mind and attacked the wrong guy. Usually when there are 2 extreme point of views, the truth lies somewhere in between. Trayvon wasn’t a gangster thug and george wasn’t a cold blooded killer. Trayvon wasn’t a saint and George isn’t a hero. Just, somewhere in the middle 2 men met at the worst time. Fate.

    • barnslayer says:

      Doesn’t really matter to me what Trayvon’s motivation or feelings were. He had a lengthy track record of being a trouble maker (felon). He initiated and assault. His life of crime is over. I’m okay with that. Zimmerman was merely a victim… the wrong victim for Martin.

    • Aoife says:

      I am positive I have read studies on black crime and one of the major determining factors in whether or not a young black male goes off the rails is the involvement of the father, or perhaps a strong father figure. If dad was so involved with his ‘best buds’ life, I doubt St. Skittles would have been in so much trouble at school and the biggest evidence of parental non-involvement was the fact that dad couldn’t be bothered to alter his social schedule to properly supervise his best bud on February 26 and that he didn’t bother to contact authorities until the next day that his best bud was missing. Honestly, there isn’t a reasonable person on the planet who wouldn’t look at that and not go hmmmm…..so the Slantinel can spin this any way they wish but it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

      • cookbook says:

        His mom had changed his school too and this was his first year at a new school. He was a grade behind for his age. There were all of kinds of indicators that he was having difficulties. And three suspensions for any reason in one school year is a big red flag. That said a seventeen year old is no baby and can get into trouble if they want to do so irregardless of what parents may try. By that age it is almost too late in most cases and intervention should have started much earlier.

        • tara says:

          He had attended several different schools and moved several times, and on top of that his parents are divorced and his father is seeing two women at the same time and dragging him to Sanford to visit one of them, and then father immediately goes out and leaves Trayvon alone? Also I remember reading that Tracy said Trayvon had stayed out all night before, like he didn’t even think it unusual. Sounds like Trayvon was uprooted a lot and had little supervision. It’s really a shame.

        • scubachick75 says:

          There are 15 different addresses for Sybrina! Can you imagine moving your children 15 times??

          • Aussie says:

            well, we have moved 13 times over close to 40 years!!!!! However, our children have not been moved over the past two moves, but they have had their own moves!!!

            • scubachick75 says:

              40 years is different. I think Sybrina has moved this many times in Trayvon’s life.

              • Aussie says:

                yes, well that would be over 17 years, and I know that even over that much we moved at least 10 times. We did spend 12 years in Sydney, 10 years in Canberra, but with a year in Townsville during that 10 years, and 4 years in Melbourne, but within each of these places there was another move to new accommodation.

                It depends upon the circumstances, and yes a whole lot of moves is very de-stablizing on any children.

              • tara says:

                trayvon did post one time something about moving as frequently as a military family. It’s really sad. Sybrina and Tracy and Alicia have only themselves to blame.

                • Aussie says:

                  I do not feel sorry for TM. My sons went through all of those moves, and there are lots of military brats. The moving around is no excuse for being a gang member wannabe, and TM was a gang member wannabe.

  21. Dan says:

    There is no doubt in my mind Trayvon’s parents grieved and are still grieving for the lost of their son.

    But there should be no mistake what this is about now. Money. More specific, millions of dollars. And have no doubt the Martin’s are threatening to incite riots and violence if they do not get it.

    If anybody here remember the Today show when Trayvon’s Mom said something to the affect she thought it was an “accident”. I was completely floored, and my admiration for the mother grew immensely. I thought to myself any sneaking suspicion I may have had at the time was ridiculous, as here was someone trying to tone down the rhetoric. And what a great thing that would be. Let’s just focus on the sad fact a 17 year old died in a very tragic confrontation, that could have and should have been avoided, not inciting violence.

    Well how wrong was I, because she and Crump “corrected” herself within hours and replaced it with a statement about how GZ hunted and gunned down her innocent son in cold blood because he was black.

    Disgusting. Five million bucks will bring out the worst in a lot of people.

    That is why I am very grateful I found this website. Somebody should be shouting at the top of their lungs the scheme these people are trying to perpetuate under the threat of violence if we do not comply. And they want to set race relations back 25 years over these threats. You know what. Fuck THEM. The whole lot of them.

    I predict this blog will continue to grow. Excellent job.

  22. recoverydotgod says:

    Sundancecracker, I can’t even imagine how full the inbox is at the Last Refuge. Everytime you all put one of these updates out it is encouragement to dig one more time to find a fact that will help. I sent an email this morning after reading your post with MAJOR TIP!!!!!! in the subject line. Please look for it. It’s a straightforward link that speaks for itself. Thanks for all your work.

  23. garnette says:

    Okay, I have to say this. I know that different places use different things to collect money. But has anyone else noticed that what TM’s parents are holding that contains the money are plastic small trash cans?

    • kinthenorthwest says:

      I wonder how much money they have made already…
      Why is it we know how much Zimmerman has collected and not them.

      • minpin says:

        The Martin’s are collecting cash money from the church collections. No one is saying how much those hauls have been. They are obviously not paying taxes on that money. O’Mara said that all of the donations received for GZ are in fact taxable, and those taxes will be paid.

    • Kelly says:

      Oh but of course! That’s supposed to send a message to other possible donors that simple collection plates can’t possibly hold all the cash they “need”.

      The love of money is the root of all evil, remember.

    • Dude says:

      Yes, they are much larger than traditional collection plates.

    • barnslayer says:

      At least they haven’t used these yet…

    • garnette says:

      @Kelly, then they should have used a larger container. To me it wasn’t even the size of the container but what container they decided to use. @Barn, :-)

    • tara says:

      This would have been far more tasteful:


      However, the trash cans were perfect.

    • 1harpazo says:

      That top picture of TM’s parents holding the trash cans with money is despicable! To think that Mrs. Martin-Fulton was incredulous when she learned that Mr. Zimmerman had set up a web site asking for donations for his defense is unfathomable. What are they collecting money for anyway-to do some more globe trotting?

      • tara says:

        Trash cans are for garbage. It was totally appropriate.

        I wonder, is it legal for them to cart off trash cans full of money from a church?

  24. kinthenorthwest says:

    Ok the 911 call I remember with Zimmerman and 911 was a lady are there more than one???

    • justice099 says:

      You know, I keep hearing that. I don’t get it. Maybe there is, but the call that is often referenced in the stories is a male. A little feminine, but definitely a black male.

  25. Kelly says:

    I listened to seven or eight 911 calls on a site called “axiomamnesia”. Be warned; that seems to be a pro Scheme Team site.

    One of the calls includes the screams for help and the gun shot.

  26. Donnie B. says:

    Didnt you find some info on Walter A Sutton and posted your findings in the comments section on the page below?


    • Yes, she did, however at the time it did not really mean that much. But now Tara deserves a badge:


    • sybilj says:

      “tara says:
      April 30, 2012 at 7:32 pm
      Who are these people?
      Officer/Director Detail
      Name & Address
      Title CH
      PO BOX 380579
      MIAMI FL 33138
      Title T
      PO BOX 380579
      MIAMI FL 33138
      Title S
      PO BOX 380579
      MIAMI FL 33138
      Also: http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/26980817.pdf

      This is a strange group.
      A few findings:
      Our Chairman: Walter A. Sutton is preparing “THE CHALLENGE”
      i can’t tell you too much about “THE CHALLENGE” except that it will start in Trayvon’s home town, Miami Gardens.
      Candidate Tracking System
      2012 General Election
      United States Representative
      District 17
      Walter Sutton
      (addresses redacted)
      Heckstall, Moses
      Odom, Cynthia L
      Sutton, Walter A Jr
      Sutton, Walter A

      Miami Herald, The (FL) – Friday, July 26, 1991
      Author: ROBERT L. STEINBACK Herald Columnist
      When I first met Walter Sutton Jr. in late 1990, I regarded him with a certain amount of amusement. This bespectacled mountain of a black man had a transcendent vision: South Floridians of varying ethnicities daring both to acknowledge their problems and to come together in search of solutions.
      He wanted to form an organization dedicated to bridging the gaps between neighbors and neighborhoods. It would represent a cross-section of both prominent and average folks. It would confront problems, not camouflage them.
      And he had the perfect idea to launch this group: a multiethnic bicycle ride for unity through some of Miami’s most diverse and trouble-plagued neighborhoods.
      It kind of left you wondering if you should yawn or giggle.
      Nice guy, Sutton . A little naive, though. He wanted to start yet another organization to help Miamians cooperate, and he thought something as mundane as a bicycle ride really would make a difference.
      After all, Sutton was no “leader.” An account executive at radio station WMBM-AM, he had no constituency and no pull to speak of. He had no pass key to Miami’s smoky back rooms, wasn’t a Non-Group member, was neither mover nor shaker. And as an African American, he was swimming against a swell of support for the black boycott of Dade’s tourism industry, then just a few months old.
      Cynics could have a field day. Sutton has left his job at WMBM and formed Sutton Advertising Agency, so the publicity won’t hurt him. But Sutton argues that real ethnic cooperation lifts all businesses.

      Miami Herald, The (FL) – Tuesday, April 11, 2006
      Author: DESONTA HOLDER, dholder@MiamiHerald.com
      “I stopped at 7-Eleven to get some Gatorade and this guy comes up to me and says, `Wow! Are you the guy from the paper? You inspired me a lot. I lost 35 pounds ,’ ” José Ojeda says. “I have had quite a few people thanking me, saying I’m an inspiration to them. A few friends of mine from childhood are following the story, even my friend from Spain.”
      Even WalterSutton Jr., 61, of Opa Locka, who is 6-feet-31/2 and weighs about 400 pounds . The Vietnam veteran lost 30 pounds by eating less, but gained back half the weight.
      “My goal is to be 235,” Sutton says. “I have asthma and hypertension and they think I have sleep apnea. . . . If I don’t watch what I’m doing, I’ll end up with diabetes and other things.”

      Six apply for commission seat
      Miami Herald, The (FL) – Sunday, March 18, 2007
      Author: ROBERT SAMUELS, rsamuels@MiamiHerald.com
      The list of Opa-lockans interested in replacing suspended City Commissioner Terence Pinder continues to grow.
      This past week, former Mayor Myra Taylor and resident Walter Sutton applied to Gov. Charlie Crist’s office for the position.

      Mylife: Jerome H Uffner is related to Jerome Ussner, who is 74 years old and lives in Miami Beach, FL. Jerome H Uffner is also related to Marc Uffner, who is 47 years …

      marc uffner
      Careing of all lives seeking piece, helping tirelessly addiction,alcoholism,food addictions.
      North miami beach, fl ·

      marc uffner‏@marc_uffner
      @lorchal I’m happy #Zimmerman arrested, also Cong. F. Wilson, getting attention. She didn’t know the family, I knew Trayvon friends to kids.
      8:03 AM – 12 Apr 12via Twitter for Android ·

      @todayshow #marc uffner is discussing with family, to join in Congressional race. Breaking a personal vow he might manage a Campaign by Dem.
      6:59 PM – 28 Mar 12via Twitter for Android

      @lorchal I was 415lbs at 15.5yrs clean now 220orso and coming 2 25yrs my 1bro who 500lbs died 13yrs clean in 2000 41yrsold I forgave him4
      12:45 PM – 7 Jul 11via Twitter for BlackBerry®·

      Off TOPIC:
      Patricia Jones (fb friends with Tracy Martin)
      Chairman of Trustees – Sister Patricia Jones

      • sybilj says:


        marc uffner‏@marc_uffner
        @InfctiusCharity my charity is 2 help teens&adults w/no ins money or any..subst/alc other I know w/its like
        8:48 AM – 30 May 11via Mobile Web · Details


        marc uffner‏@marc_uffner
        @lorchal I’m happy #Zimmerman arrested, also Cong. F. Wilson, getting attention. She didn’t know the family, I knew Trayvon friends to kids.
        8:03 AM – 12 Apr 12via Twitter for Android ·

      • tara says:

        I want to add to your info that Sutton’s current address is the Robert Sharp (possibly spelled with an ‘e’ on the end) Towers, subsidized housing for the elderly. How he got hooked up with Jerome Uffner I have no idea, but the email address listed for Sutton is jerryfabric@bellsouth.net and that’s Uffner’s email address.


        There are 3 candidates for the 17th district election, Walter Sutton and Rudolph Moises are the Dems, and there’s one Republican candidate. I did a search on “Rudolph Moises Trayvon Martin” and guess what screecher came up: Frederica Wilson.


        Someone distributed this flyer which disparages Wilson:


        “If the flyer is tied to Rudy Moise, it is an FEC violation,” says Wilson campaign spokesman Alexis Snyder. “It is a misrepresentation of the congresswoman. Shame on Rudy Moise.”

        So apparently Wilson and Moise are enemies. Does it mean that Wilson is backing Sutton?

        • tara says:

          Indeed, Wilson and Moise are enemies. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/27/2776358/haitian-president-michel-martelly.html

          Moise ran against Wilson in 2010. It would make sense then that Sutton is Wilson’s puppet candidate, since she’s now running in a different 24th district.

          Deadline to apply to be a candidate is tomorrow, May 7!!! Anyone in Wilson’s district and wants to run against her?

          • tara says:

            Ohhh! Moise will also be running in the 24th. He’ll be opposing Wilson there. Sutton has no Democratic opposition in the 17th, just one Republican opponent.

        • sybilj says:

          “So apparently Wilson and Moise are enemies. Does it mean that Wilson is backing Sutton?”

          Or Uffner???

          Couple of clues into the Sutton-Uffner relationship:
          Both WS and MU are/were obese. MU says he’s recovering addict of some sort, (food? alcohol??).
          Both Sutton and MU are running or considering a Congressional run. MU would be breaking a pledge that he “might manage a Campaign by Dem.”
          MU knew TM. Through his kids??
          MU Worked for the U.S. Government for 30 years as a contractor. Working to help others get into Drug & Alcohol Treatment. (Linkedin)

          March 8, 2012 at 11:32 am ET – Marc Uffner
          Most everything said is true and correct, infact most accidents, fatalities, stressing situations all stem from lack of sleep. But there is one question for years that has an answer. What about those who’s can’t sleep? I’m a recovering addict for more than 25 years, and I do not sleep if I take 25 mg. Of Ambien. I had the pleasure of knowing (name (name removed), who passed in 1998 after I was 10 years clean. I was the only client ever to be brought back to (name removed), after being thrown out, relapse the night I got home for a 6 month finally, and I bottomed out and decided to get clean. One thing she said when I could not sleep was simple, if your laying down and your hearts at rest for 8 hours than it is just like sleep. The other, when I die I will get all the rest and sleep I will ever need.

          marc uffner said:
          I’m a parents, a student, and in recovery for more than 25 years and been in 12 step & tradition programs for 26+ years. I’ve been In overeaters Program 9 years with a 237+ lb weight loss, its not just vanity buy sanity. I feel there needs to be a category for recovery. If not make a student category people can see who is entering the field, and for recovering addicts, alchoholics, ect. A lot of us have much experience and much to offer.
          # 5 January 2012 at 12:14 pm

          Off for a further look into Moise, et al …

          • sybilj says:

            Moe Rosenberg Miami Herald, The (FL) – March 20, 2006
            ROSENBERG, MOE, 93, passed away after a short illness. Survived by his loving wife, Jean; daughters, Judith (Jerome) Uffner and Sheila (Leonard) Oken; grandchildren, Stuart, Debra, Marc, Janice, and Paul; and many great-grandchildren. Formerly Chairman of Amoe Notions Corp. and U.T.C. Industries. -snip-

            Uffner, Stuart Paul

            Miami, FL
            North Miami Beach, FL
            Aventura, FL
            Miami Beach, FL

            Uffner, Jerome H


            Stuart Uffner
            President at UTC Inc.
            Miami/Fort Lauderdale Area

            ILL DRGS/TRF/4>/<14
            CONCEALED F/A /CARRY
            CONCEALED F/A /CARRY


          • tara says:

            It looks like Marc was or still as a vice chairman of an overeaters anonymous group. Maybe that’s how he met Sutton? Also, Marc’s listed address is in the 17th district. Not sure he still lives there because the Dade County court records show a transfer of that property, if I’m reading them correctly, but the 17th district also links him to Sutton.

            Also of interest: Marc’s address is in the 33179 zip code. That’s where Krop high school is located. Trayvon attended Krop. I think Marc’s kids are a few years older than Trayvon was so I doubt they knew Trayvon directly, but if they attended Krop they’d feel some sort of connection I suppose.

            What I don’t understand is why father Jerome got involved. In the application for the “Tayson” Martin memorial fund, Walter Sutton’s name and address are listed, but the email address is Jerome’s. And that bizarre candidate application … Sutton maintained a blog at some time in the recent past, so he was computer savvy, why wouldn’t he submit a type-written application??? Very bizarre.

  27. Xballer52 says:

    Another interesting point that many don’t know, but Sabrina Fulton is (was) an employee of Miami-Dade County, and in addition to the standard bereavment leave (either 3 or 5 days depending on the bargaining contract they are under) the Mayor of Miami-Dade County allowed County employees to donate “vacation time” to Ms. Fulton. But get this….in an unusual move, the Mayor gave his blessing to allow the donated “time” to be converted to the money equivalent, up to $50,000. So basically, Ms. Fulton walked away with $50,000 from Miami-Dade County and soon thereafter began her “fundraising tour” with Sharpton, Crump, etc….

    The Major who approved that…..Carlos Gimenez, is up for re-election this November and is looking to secure the black vote. It would not surprise me if this was a quid pro quo…money in exchange for some sort of political support or campaign financial contribution.
    I can not recall another instance in which the Mayor personally approved a payment like this with for anyone other than the families of officers or firefighters who are killed in the line of duty.

    • garnette says:

      If she was given the donated time as vacation time, most companies will include vacation time pay as part of your final paycheck. It is probably why the donated vacation time and not sick leave time since that is usually a use it or lose it (and it would seem bereavement would be closer to sick leave than vacation leave.) However, there is usually a limit of how much vacation leave you can accumulate. So, it is a very unusual move.

      • tara says:

        At my company we can get paid for a max of 10 vacation days, and that’s also the max we can roll into the following year. Those government employees probably have unlimited, what a sh*tty policy because you know they’re taking time off but not reporting it.

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  29. hughglass says:

    I’d say give the grieving parents a little credit. How many urban blacks couples raise a burgler/druggie/gangbanger who actually provides comfort and financial security to their parents (and a bunch of freeloading black opportunists) in their declining years? Their only regret these folks have is that Zimmerman isn’t a millionaire. They will be suing zimmerman, the apartment owner, the police, city of sanford, the state of florida, glock, remington and the girl friend.
    PS: anyone who isn’t suspicious that trayvon was casing a neighborhood he wasn’t familiar with for a hit just prior to his return to Miami is naive.

  30. justice099 says:

    Here is my enhanced clip. Youtube seems to have added back in a bunch of noise… GRRR

  31. Roscoe P. Soultrane says:

    “I regret that I have only one Trayvon to give for my wallet.”

    Tracy Martin

  32. ItsMichaelNotMike says:

    Crump and Company Are NOT Fools

    (a Sunday afternoon drug-induced musing)

    I have read comments around the Net that “Crump is a smart lawyer ” and “Crump is no fool.” I always thought early on that Crump sounded like a dumb a$$ and a fool. On seeing those comments, that Crump is not a fool, it got me to thinking:

    I initially considered the “Trayvonites” as a “ship of fools.” I imagined in my head “fools” aboard their dilapidated rust bucket (aka boat), haphazardly trying to navigate around the map of this controversy.

    But depictions and characterizations of these people as “fools” engaging in foolishness are descriptive terms too kind to the Trayvonites. This is because ascribing the actions of Crump, et al. as “acts of foolishness” imparts an innocent, comedic sitcom tone to what they have done, the stuff of practical jokes or reckless college pranks.

    A “fool” is defined as one who lacks good judgment or is easy to take advantage of. While the various actors involved on Trayvon Martin’s side of things have at times appeared to have acted like fools and idiots, in my book they don’t get a pass on this basis. What we really have here is the commission of serious crimes.

    In the days of kings, the court jester was considered the king’s fool, some duties including making the king laugh. Crump’s and crew’s actions are not the stuff of court jesters, fools in the courtroom amusing the gallery. Nope, Crump and crew are common criminals, Trayvonite conspirators should be prosecuted, stripped of professional standing and licenses, and imprisoned.

    Concession: Most people make lousy criminals because, inter alia, they make foolish mistakes and don’t think things through. So I concede there are elements of foolishness when sifting through, for example, Crump’s and Julison’s bad acts. For example, IMO the criminal conspirators FOOLISHLY did NOT foresee that they would get caught, in this age of the Internet and technology (e.g., cell phone cameras, blogs, social pages, Net tracking, instant communication of ideas and posting the results of one’s thinking, investigation, and research, to name a few.)

    Crump’s Apogee: So how the hell did Crump finally end up caught with a smoking gun in his hand? IMO most lawyers are horribly behind the times when it comes to understanding how the Net works. They especially don’t understand the concept and power of blogs, social pages and sites like YouTube. These idiots think that when one deletes a web page or closes an account that the scrubbing removes all traces of their conduct. These morons don’t understand that anyone can access something as rudimentary as the “Wayback Machine” and find one’s internet trail. How else to explain why the Trayvonites bothered to attempt scrubbing the Net of Trayvon’s pics and tweets. Calling these people “mental slobs” would be a compliment.

    And it also appears to me that they stupidly (foolishly) did not take into account that people with superior intellect, street smarts, and common sense would instantly detect the Trayvonites’ conspiracy to defraud America, and extort business and govt. entities out of millions of dollars.

    Indeed, looking at Crump, his scheme team of extortionist personal injury lawyers, State Attorney Corey, MSNBC, Sharpton, Lawrence O’Donnell, the Martin faux family, et al., what we have here is NOT a ship of fools, but a conspiring band of criminals acting no more sophisticated than a boatload of Somali pirates.


    And here we are doing battle with the Trayvonite pirates:


    Yes indeed, I agree with the Trayvonites, Crump is no fool.

    Disclaimer: The above is under the influence 20 MG of pain meds. I have a pass on content, tone, bizarreness, repetition, lack of flow, nonsense, FOOLISHNESS, grammar errors and misspellings. That’s my excuse and I am sticking with it, as usual. I am not even gonna proof it. So there. Going back to sleep. Over and totally OUT!

    • barnslayer says:

      Warning! You can’t tell us you are on pain meds without us bothering you with prayers and best wishes. Feel better.

    • justice099 says:

      “For example, IMO the criminal conspirators FOOLISHLY did NOT foresee that they would get caught, in this age of the Internet and technology”

      But who is going to report that, and who is going to punish them for it? No, sadly, they will get away with this.

      • Sharon says:

        It’s being reported here. I will not assume they are going to get away with it. This is not over.

        Your considerable personal effort to provide insight and links does not fit with this “what’s the use” line here– take a break! ;) And then return to your position!

    • Sharon says:

      Pass affirmed. And thank you. And feel better. ;)

    • howie says:

      More like Privateers. Royal families would authorize certain Pirates on the Spanish Main to act under their authority and in their interest.

  33. Donnie B. says:

    Comments on this conspiracy theory? Creating a race-war.


    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      I see no evidence of our intelligence agencies in this. Political folks are behind it. The economy is bad, so they need to divert attention away from it.

    • tara says:

      For it to have been manufactured would have required GZ to be in on the scheme, and I think it’s pretty clear that GZ is just a normal person, not an intelligence operative.

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        I guess the theory would be that the intel. group would be looking to take advantage of a situation. You would think that they would have picked a better one than this, though. Zimmerman has a German name, but he doesn’t look white. This would be a major intel. fail, if you ask me.

        • tara says:

          Maybe they never saw a picture of him and just assumed he was a fine German-bred white supremacist. They could have done better with the victim as well, another fail.

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  36. Lulu says:

    Brilliant. Following your blog now – your work on the Trayvon Scheme Team is excellent.
    Did you know that this article is a Must Read today at Lucianne.com?

  37. Lulu says:

    Tried to post this as a Reply at 5:31 PM today but site wouldn’t take it. Let’s see if this works. It was for the discussion up the line about how long Tracy and his “fiancee” Brandy had been together (she had apparently lived at the condo project for four years, but told the Geraldo program’s interviewer that she had no knowledge of robberies. She’s said to be a juvenile detention officer in Orlando.)

    “For more than two years now, Trayvon’s father, Tracy Martin, a truck driver from Miami, had been dating Brandy Green, a juvenile detention officer in Orlando. She lived at the Retreat with her 14-year-old son, Chad, and it was not uncommon for the Martins to drive up from Miami for overnight visits.”


    • Lulu says:

      My first post of this has appeared up the thread. Forgive this newbie for not understanding the “delay factor”. Will learn to be more patient.

      • stellap says:

        You get caught in the moderation filter if you are new, or if you have links in your comment that WordPress doesn’t like for some reason, or if you have more than 4 links, or if you use certain words. Since the mods aren’t around all of the time, you have to wait for a while occasionally. Sorry!

    • Angel says:

      I read today on wagist that Tracy Martin was married to Alicia Martin and had separated from Tracy three weeks prior to the shooting. She stated in an interview from a link on wagist that she had been Trayvon’s stepmother for 15 years and that Trayvon lived with her the past five years. This is confusing.

    • ItsMichaelNotMike says:

      Whoa…. wait a gosh darn tootin minute…. if anyone is changing stories nowadays it is Tracy Martin. Here’s what the Orlando Sentinel said in a May 5, 2012 published interview:

      “Alicia Stanley, whom Martin married in 2005, said it was always apparent to her that Martin and Trayvon ‘were the best of friends. ‘He is a very good father,’ Stanley told the Sentinel.

      She said she and Martin split up just weeks before Trayvon’s death.”

      Me thinks all of this shows someone is a liar.

      Another indication who it is:

      I thought Mr. Martin and Brandy originally said, on camera to Fox news the morning after the shooting, that Trayvon was watching a sports game on TV and had simply walked to a 7/11 to purchase some snacks for Chad (Brandy’s son).

      According to THIS May 4-5 (?) interview, Martin is now saying:

      “Everything changed for Tracy Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford. He and Trayvon were staying with his girlfriend, Brandy Green, in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community. When Tracy Martin and Green returned home that night, he said, Trayvon wasn’t there.

      The elder Martin said he called his son’s cellphone, but it went to voice mail. He remembered Trayvon had made plans to see a movie with a family member and thought, “Maybe they are in the movie, and they turned their phones off.”

      He went to sleep that night, he said, trusting his son would return. The next morning, as he grew more worried, Martin called law enforcement and asked to file a missing-persons report.

      Still, “I just knew that Trayvon’s going to be coming home with an excuse,” he said. “It was unusual for my kid not to come home, not to be answering his phone and not to call me.”

      Read the interview and draw your own conclusions. I will post another comment on this interview, which I find most revealing (on what a poor parent Tracy Martin was. And most pathetic is that in May 4-5 interview Martin tells stories that he thinks show how swell he and Trayvon are, best friends as dad likes to put it, but instead his words show just how big a deadbeat he was.


  38. Lulu says:

    About Trayvon’s high school transfer, I remember reading that it was fairly recent. His mother did it. It seemed strange to whoever was writing about it because his old school was excellent, very near where they lived, and had a high percentage of black students. And a high achievement – college entrance rate. She moved him to Krok, a more ethnically mixed school with lower rating, and significantly further from their home.

    This troubled kid may have had a lot to be unhappy about? Or he was turning into what is called “an incorrigible”… He seems to have had help from some pretty poor role models.

    • tara says:

      I was wondering if he had to transfer because he was expelled from the prior school.

      • Dan says:

        Good question!

        • Lulu says:

          It’s no accident that one of racist lawyer Crump’s first actions was to have Trayvon’s school records sealed. He and the family know that Trayvon was not on a good life path. That he wouldn’t “show well” in their Crumped-up scenario if they didn’t pull a curtain over his history.

  39. Lulu says:

    Here’s the link to the article (mentioned up the thread) where Alicia Stanley describes herself as Trayvon’s stepmother and talks about how much time he spent with her and her family.

    Trayvon Martin’s Stepmom Reacts To Zimmerman Arrest

    Tracy was a truck driver. Probably long distance. A rolling stone who apparently had more than one life going at the same time. But, by golly, he found time to be a splendid dad and best friend to his son. /s

    • jimrtex says:

      Tracy Martin was a truck driver for Sysco, which is an uber-supplier for restaurants, etc. There current listing for a driver in the Miami office requires the applicant to be familiar with Broward,Dade and Monroe counties; be able to off load pallets, deliver good with handcarts or pallet jacks, handle COD orders, invoices, returns discrepancies, etc.

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  41. bill says:

    Bottom line is you don’t jump on someone you don’t know, pummel him and then expect to live. Everything else is window dressing. And this is coming from someone who believes in more gun control.

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