If President Trump could succeed in getting the Des Moines Register and Ann Selzer to the point of discovery in the lawsuit, he would win- BIG TIME. However, getting a judge to allow Trump as a plaintiff to advance a lawsuit to the level that would expose the fraud, is a very uphill battle.
Intellectually honest people know exactly what happened. Ideological political operatives in/around Ann Selzer’s polling operation, perhaps even Ann Selzer herself, manufactured, meaning completely fabricated, a polling outcome of Kamala Harris +3 in the final weekend before the November election.
It likely wasn’t an actual poll per se’, and no one is even sure if any voters were contacted; however, the assembled data analysis was sold as a genuine poll outcome. The poll was 16 points wrong. The claimed Kamala +3 poll was actually Trump +13 in the voter result in Iowa. Quit Pretending – Pollsters don’t miss by 16 points unless they are trying to miss by 16 points.
Selzer didn’t get it wrong or make a mistake. With malicious intent and malice of forethought, Selzer created a fraudulent narrative using a manufactured poll to push it.
If Trump could get to the emails, text messages and various communications from the people in/around Selzer’s polling operation, he would find the explosive planning and coordination in the background. But I doubt it’s going to get that far; a judge will likely try and stop it.
The motive for the poll was simple. In the final days of the Kamala campaign, they were pushing the abortion message as hard as possible to get out the votes. The Iowa +3 poll was the launch vehicle where Selzer proclaimed that a “MASSIVE UPSWING” in Iowa women suddenly shifted the entire race as the women were showing up inside the data to support Kamala.
The corporate media ran with that shock polling narrative on Saturday, Sunday and Monday before election day on Tuesday. It was all nonsense, and Ann Selzer knew it. That’s why Trump is suing her.
(Via Politico) – President-elect Donald Trump is suing retired Iowa pollster J. Ann Selzer over her pre-election survey that showed Vice President Kamala Harris leading in the state, calling it “brazen election interference.”
The shock poll, which drew national attention given Selzer’s record of success in Iowa, proved incorrect: Trump won the state by more than 13 points. But that has not stopped the president-elect from claiming the poll was intended to manipulate the results of the election.
“While Selzer is not the only pollster to engage in this corrupt practice, she had a huge platform and following and, thus, a significant and impactful opportunity to deceive voters,” the lawsuit states.
The lawsuit also represents an escalation of Trump’s pledge to more aggressively pursue litigation against media he views as unfair to him. The case against Selzer comes just after Trump settled another media lawsuit with ABC News and its political anchor George Stephanopoulos for $15 million. (read more)
Just like the ABC case, if President Trump can get to the discovery phase, he wins.
The Des Moines Register will never permit Ann Selzer to sit for a deposition where she likely describes the people who did everything for her, under her name, and claims she had no idea what they were doing. Nor will anyone associated with the plan allow their emails and text messages, which clearly evidence the structure of the fraud, being reviewed in discovery.
If President Trump’s lawyers got close to discovery where depositions and communications were going to be revealed, the DMR and Selzer would throw massive money at him to settle the lawsuit, just like ABC did…. for exactly the same reason.
“The Des Moines Register will never permit Ann Selzer to sit for a deposition where she likely describes the people who did everything for her, under her name, and claims she had no idea what they were doing.”
Darn. I was so hoping to hear if she ever learned what crosstabs are.
Crosstabs?
There was a video going around shortly after she released this BS showing she didn’t know what crosstabs were in her own poll.
An explanation of them:
https://thehill.com/opinion/4344490-mellman-the-problem-with-interpreting-poll-crosstabs/
Highlight the word “crosstab” in your comment. Then, right click on that highlighted word. A menu will appear; including, something like “Search the web for crosstab.” Left click that and you will find the definition.
Or, for your convenience, you can click this link: What is a Crosstab? – Data Analysis – Displayr
It seems like most people believe polls even though they don’t believe the media for some reason. Thanks for this insight Sudance. Happy Advent everyone!
Since most of these polls are nonsense—they try to move opinion rather than measure it—the lawsuit is a warning to the fake news media who run them….Stop!
Nobody believed that poll hence Trump +13.
And therein may lie the fatal flaw in PDJT’s case;
WHERE’S the DAMAGES?
He won the election, ergo even if his accusations are all true (and they are) they were unsuccessful in actually swaying opinion and interfering in the election.
Criminal Court can bring cases of ATTEMPTING to commit a crime, attempted murder, attempted fraud, etc.
CIVIL Courts, where PDJT is bringing this case, the plaintiff has to show the defendants actions damaged him,…WHERES the damage?
I would say THAT is the glaring weakness in his case that a Judge will probably point to, in dismissing the case.
President Trump is suing for the fraudulent information to be brought to light. It’s the DISCOVERY that is the point. The fact that Selzer likely did NOT conduct an actual poll. Did NOT speak to actual people. That she fabricated the entire poll and posted results.
The emphasis needs to be on whether, like Sundance says, the Des Moines Register will allow Selzer to sit for a deposition and advance to DISCOVERY. That would be a salient point of argument in favor of Donald Trump’s (and really anyone with functioning brain cells) position that Selzer acted with malice aforethought and knowingly produced a phony poll. She and her staff likely committed fraud upon the entirety of America.
Discovery. Another important form of Sunlight as a Disinfectant. We should be championing this case, not assuming there is no case.
I for one will watch this suit’s progression closely.
Not being a legal expert, she and they “attempted” voter/election interference. Kind of like attempted murder…charges can still be brought against someone, right?
No, there are no “charges” here. It is a civil suit:
“This action is brought pursuant to Iowa Code Chapter 714H and its relevant provisions.
55. Iowa Code § 714H.3(1) provides:
A person shall not engage in a practice or act the person knows or reasonably should know is an unfair practice, deception, fraud, false pretense, or false promise, or the misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, or omission of a material fact, with intent that others rely upon the unfair practice, deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, or omission in connection with the advertisement, sale, or lease of consumer merchandise . . . .”
Note that final bit “in connection with the advertisement, sale, or lease of consumer merchandise”
That’s going to take a bit of twisting to get a court to agree with, that speech is consumer merchandise.
“60. Iowa Code § 714H.5 provides for a private right of action for consumers damaged by violations of § 714H.3(1):
1. A consumer who suffers a sustainable loss of money or property as the result of a prohibited practice or act in violation of this chapter may bring an action at law to recover actual damages. The court may order such equitable relief as it deems necessary to protect the public from further violations, including temporary and permanent injunctive relief.”
So if it gets dismissed then he could move to the criminal court. Fraud upon the electorate is a crime, so this may just be the first salvo of lawfare. I also think he wants to drain them of financial resources and the dragging into and out of various courts is a victory in and of itself. The process is the punishment.
take it to the limit
…One more time 🙂
Great song!
I would think if nothing else, this will hurt the newspaper regardless. And good people will simply not trust polls anymore for a long time. Even though we learned that lesson in 2016
Many of us ol’ timers learned not to trust the media when the Communists in our government went after Nixon… Some few, even older, might have learned that lesson during the Joe McCarthy era.
Or Goldwater,…actually they have been teaching that lesson for many years, probably since the first newspapers, it just takes discernment to learn the lesson.
Ad rem. I have been having trouble with this site for about a week. When graphics are inserted, there appears a big black box and the site freezes. I have to back out. It may be my tablet, my provider or the site, but it doesn’t happen on any other site. Thought u ought to know.
I have trouble strolling. It seems to freeze and even jump around. Very difficult at times and others, no.
I’m sorry I have a quick chuckle. I think you meant to type scrolling. I have this image in my head that you were doing the Joe malarkey stair shuffle. 🙂
Indeed, attempting to reach the lavatory before being overtaken by events.
I have that as well with my old browser. Seems to be due to how youtube vids are embedded in the posts/comments. More embedded videos; more problems. Youtube was one of the first sites that gave this browser (waterfox classic) fits.
scott s.
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I had trouble with this site on my tablet, but not my other devices. It was suggested that I use the Brave browser on my tablet which worked for me.
Probably your browser. Could be the user-agent string your browser sends is interpreted by the site as allowing certain formatting or java scripting but your browser can’t actually handle it. I follow this and other sites on a very old browser for certain reasons and many sites refuse to show content, even though I “lie” in my UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
“If President Trump’s lawyers got close to discovery where depositions and communications were going to be revealed, the DMR and Selzer would throw massive money at him to settle the lawsuit, just like ABC did…. for exactly the same reason.”
He can put news of the award on the wall next to Stepinalotofit’s portrait in the new Donald John Trump Presidential Library media wing.
He will own them all by the time it is built anyway.
How about a large, permanent Fake News section in the PDJT Library, complete with paid research staff funded in perpetuity by the Georgie Stepped on us Settlement proceeds/involuntary endowment.
“……permanent Fake News section…..”
Would that be in the lavatory?
This is an excellent idea!
The section could be called; Mainstream Media- The Enemy of the People
Have all sorts of artifacts; videos, articles, op Ed’s, incitement pieces, hoaxes, etc…
Would be a good draw to get people into the PDJT Library..
Media hiding behind their shield is almost like the Feds invoking “ Top Secret” or “Still under Investigation”.
“Because of the sensitivity of the matter??”
Because of the over worn”methods and sources” lie
Considering the landslide, I don’t think anyone believed her
Any rational person even remotely well informed would not believe her (their) nonsense. They were desperate. Well before that poll was released, they knew Trump was going to win and win bigly. But they were trying to keep him from winning the popular vote in order to continue claiming his win was somehow illegitimate.
Considering the landslide, I think most saw right through her.
The process is the punishment. Make them sweat. The bad pr and money spent will hurt their bottom line.
This! Oh so much…
Parfait!
Follow the money. Who paid for the “push poll”?
Most likely it came from the 1.5 billion spent by the 3 month losing Harris campaign. Where’s the discovery on that financial boondoggle?
The Mockingbird Fake News media is the enemy of the people, and has been for a very long time.
The MarxMerdia is a fully integrated element of the Derp State, which MUST be destroyed!!
The MarxMedia IS in the process of being destroyed, Maquis.
They gleefully and openly shredded their Credibility, failing to understand in their TDS delerium, that their Influence is DIRECTLY tied to their Credibility, and their revenue is directly tied to their influence.
They are Marxists, and have a warped view of economics.
I have been predicting this for 8 years, and we see them laying off staff, and viewership, and so ad revenue dropping thru the floor.
Their epitaph is already written, its just going to take a little time,…
One of my favorite oxymorons: Marxist economist.
BINGO! And it’s a joy to watch!
I’m Catholic. I will sometimes watch some of our better known exorcists online, and Fr Chad Ripperger has a phrase to explain it perfectly:
“Sin makes you stupid!”
Yes and the deep state has so much dirt on all of them that they have no choice but to follow directives.
Freedom of the Press and real Journalism is dead and corporate controlled media is what we have.
Goebbels would be proud of our so called mainstream media.
This reminds me that bf couldn’t even clean her glasses what a putz
Actually, the Founding fathers knew the media were bastards and they still created the 1st Amendment. Good on them. Every other government can stop stories from coming out by calling the editor and squashing the story.
The Founding fathers created the 1st Amendment so WE the people would always be free to speak, not so that some corporate entity could claim to be speaking for us.
So you agree with the libs about Citizens United?
If Trump can get past any motions to dismiss, the discovery process could make Selzer cave and settle. Sundance is right – there is probably a lot of damaging evidence that the Des Moines Register does not want to come out.
It is likely the discovery that made ABC cave. Georgie is supposedly furious that ABC settled (and for such a large sum), but he has only himself and his emails to blame:
https://nypost.com/2024/12/17/media/george-stephanopoulos-apoplectic-over-abc-news-settlement-with-trump/
$15 million is not a “large sum” to ABC.
Agree. A pittance. I’m sorry that he settled. He had them by the short hairs and then let them go. And I’m not sure why.
Maybe he wanted to set a precedent for other possible defendants: this is what I’m getting even before discovery…imagine what could happen to you.
And the optics of the MSM having to pay out millions may have given Trump his Laugh of the Day.
I thought they did get to discovery …no?
Sometime between July and Last week?
I thought the reason they settled ,
was they didn’t want Georgie To sit for a deposition.
True. But it probably sounds large enough that the average person would assume that ABC must have slandered Trump – which is what Stephanopoulos, with his declining number of viewers, does not want.
Not a large sum to ABC, especially if it comes directly out of little Georgie’s hide.
In days past, that might have been true. Actually, they must have Insurance to cover this, so the Insurance company paid, and promptly RAISED THEIR OREMIUMS, and not just for ABC, but for every other network, because of this settlement.
And, their revenues are not what they once were; revenuse are based on market share, and when the Food Network beats you on ratings/viewership, advertisers are NOT going to pay as much for ads.
And, the Multi-national companies that own the big Networks, are also into the related “entertaiment industry” where they have also been losing money, due to trying to push wokeness on an audience that didn’t want it.
So, they can’t continue to run these news divisions at a loss, by offsetting it with entertainment division profits; they are screwed.
PDJT, with his Truth Network, is perfectly positioned to pick up these networks, when they go on sale at firesale prices.
No wonder the more they indicted and prosecuted him, and besmirched him,…the bigger he SMILED.
The Donald John Trump Ptesidential Library.will be epic.
I can picture the rogues gallery of inadvertent funders of the library.
Exhibit 1: pictures of ABC logo, execs and George Stephanopolis. They contributed $15. Million dollars.
They defamed DJ Trump and had to pay up.
How many more entities will be added to the exhibit?
Add a gym too. Install life size kickboxing dummies with likenesses of all the Uniparty players.
Great idea!
Hehehe!!! Rubbing both hands together!!!!
Reminds me of the time my wife and I had to fly out of Little Rock and we had time to kill so we visited the Clinton Library. My wife walked up to the info desk inside the front door and asked “Where can I see the articles of impeachment?” Didn’t get a good response. They had a mock-up of the Oval Office and we were looking for a blue dress, but no luck.
she’d be charged with 15 “Conspiracy to [insert charge here]” type counts if the political roles were reversed, of course
If someone had placed a bet on the outcome of the election, and that bet had been affected by Selzer’s poll, then such a person would have standing to the extent that they were defrauded by Selzer’s influence.
I’d imagine there might be a few of those, and they might join in an effort to recover their losses.
in a proper form, it would actually be the DOJ making the indictment.
in regular order.
but this again, highlights the reality of the garland regime. it’s fraud, top down. it goes far beyond simply pretending. it’s willful criminal misconduct for the DOJ not to get involved and lay out a case regarding a conspiracy case…and a case involving very likely an effort to unlawfully influence and election.
as well, in regular order, we would also see the FCC investigating, forming a grand jury, and indicating.
in a normal lawful order, this is exactly what those agencies ARE suppose to do.
but what are they really doing?
God Bless America
Something is not “against the law”, is not a VIOLATION unless there IS a specific law.
I am not sure there IS a specific law or laws, covering this nebulous area of “attempting to influence the outcome of an election”.
Certainly there SHOULD be, but just as 20-30 yrsrs ago there were no laws specifically covering Identity theft,..and so prosecutions were difficult, we may need carefully crafted laws to avoid Constitutional issues, while clearly outlawing some behaviors.
After all, campaigns strive to influence the outcome if elections,; thats their whole reason for existing.
What activities would be made illegal?
Totally agree Dutchman, if truth in campaigning was enforced by criminal law we couldn’t build enough jails. But no doubt it is intended as a dig at NYS where they turned a business records case into a felony via the over-broad NYS election interference statute.
Standing, in that context, is defined as a person’s right to challenge the conduct of another person in a court of law. In today’s world, the problem is, that right is too often not recognized by our leftist leaning judicial system.
I am sorry. The President should drop the suit. Looks like sour grapes. Let the historians solve it. Let President Trump win and keep winning.
I voted for President Trump to FIGHT and that is what I expect him to do. In my view, it is not sour grapes. It is standing up for what is right and fair. It should not be so easy to do what they did. Should come with a cost and a lesson.
Hear Hear!
Sunlight is winning.
You may be right, but historians will never solve anything. Their Ph.Ds come from Marxist Institutions.
These clowns think they can get away with all sorts of lying and slander because no one has taken them to task. I say sue everyone of them so perhaps it will never be done again. Elections have consequences!
There is the 1st Amendment that protects the media, even when they are lying.
Doesn’t protect them, or anyone, when they slander someone or cause them harm when knowingly lying.
1st amendment also doesn’t protect someone who is lying to manipulate an election.
This case is not about “slander” nor “manipulating an election”. It is about consumer fraud.
Re “I am sorry. The President should drop the suit. Looks like sour grapes. Let the historians solve it. Let President Trump win and keep winning.”
We have had politicians who tried to win by not fighting before and that tactic was never successful. Two names that readily come to mind are John McCain and Mitt Romney…
Trump fights and Trump wins! May it ever be so!
✊ ✊ ✊
That fact alone is an example to all republicans to follow PDJT’s lead and go after these scumbags.
In other words, grow a pair.
It’s about embarrassing the MSM, which considers itself the “truthtellers” the sheeple should listen to, and also setting precedent for other MAGA politicians to follow suit if they are slandered.
Make them pay for their bias. It might not stop the bias, but at least it might stop the slander.
Historians won’t “solve” anything because most of them are Lying Leftists.
Who will solve it? A brave warrior who is willing to fight to reveal the truth. Maybe he wins or maybe he loses, but he’s going to fight like the third monkey boarding the ark when it’s starting to rain.
God bless Warrior Trump!
I think I’d rather see him in the take no prisoners mode. The reckoning must happen.
Couldn’t a PDJT DoJ (Bondi) get a grand jury indictment under seal, then capture all of the emails and text messages?
That’s how the Demonrats would roll. They would even threaten Selzer with such to make her roll over for the law suit.
For what crime would she be investigating them?
Election interference/fraud.
I don’t think there is any such Federal criminal law, probably would have to use the trusty fall back of 18USC1343 “Fraud by wire, radio, or television”, on a theory the Des Moines Register has a digital version online of its paper.
There is also the illegal campaign contribution angle, of Selzer and the DeS Moines Register delivering a favorable Harris poll on the eve of an election knowing it was false.
Also it fed the media pipeline for days to spew the manufactured skewed results.
The monetary value it gave to the Harris campaign is considered a donation.
Personally, my preference in regard is Trump is suing rather than Trump is being sued.
as an iowan if the DMR went bankrupt i wouldn’t miss any sleep.
The real point is exposing these people and their fraudulent process by starting the suit and getting headlines.
Otherwise, these things get buried and stay in darkness.
Whatever happens going forward, the public calling them out serves a purpose.
I hope by the time PDT gets done with all of these lawsuits the fake media will have fully paid for his presidential library! That would be a hoot haha
It was Mark Steyn, himself still in a decade plus long battle with Michael Mann and the obscene judgment of one million dollars (which Mark is fighting) commenting on the American “justice” system, who said…
“The process is the punishment.”
Short, pithy, and true.
Let those like Ann Selzer and her fellow traveling ilk who have had free rein to slander, attack, and demonize President Trump with nefarious intent begin to learn first hand the full import of Mark’s accurate assessment of a “justice ” system gone rogue.
File suits enough times, winnable or not, so that they feel disruption and costs which have been heaped upon our President?
Well then, perhaps that “will stop their farting in chapel”.
(Apologies for the crude British aphorism, but somehow it seems appropriate.)
“They won’t stop until you stop them.” Bannon says nearly every day
“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. … I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1807
Our polluted press, same as it ever was.
Wow Great quote…thanks for digging that up.
Some things never change
Full Court Press! Expose the traitors!
If you were not aware, the Des Moines Register is owned by the Gannett Corporation which also owns the national newspaper USA Today as well as about 75 daily newspapers. At least during the 2020 election cycle USA Today had a decided anti-Trump slant, giving Biden its first ever endorsement.
You mean like the aptly named “Rochester Democrat & Chronicle”?
“If President Trump’s lawyers got close to discovery where depositions and communications were going to be revealed, the DMR and Selzer would throw massive money at him to settle the lawsuit, just like ABC did…. for exactly the same reason.”
So… What would happen if Trump declined the massive money?
Would it continue to discovery? If so, why would he accept the offer to settle?
I rather suspect he will be able to assess at such a moment which way will best profit his aims.
ABC ain’t bragging about not going to trial, after all.
Just a suspicion.
If President Trump refused to settle out of court, then yes, they would move onto the next phase. But as Sundance pointed out, a judge may try to circumvent that by saying the defendants are willing to settle, and it’s in the best interests of the public and the court to prevent a lengthy trial, etc. etc. etc.
Unless President Trump gets a favorable judge.
No, the Judge just has to point to the obvious gaping hole in this CIVIL suit; WHERE is the DAMAGES?
Obviously, the DMR and thus pollster did NOT succeed in jinfluencing the election because,
***TRUMP WON!***
“Trump on Iowa Poll: ‘It is called suppression. They suppress. And it actually should be illegal’.”
“No President has done more for FARMERS, and the Great State of Iowa, than Donald J. Trump.
In fact, it’s not even close!
All polls, except for one heavily skewed toward the Democrats by a Trump hater who called it totally wrong the last time, have me up, BY A LOT.
I LOVE THE FARMERS, AND THEY LOVE ME.
THE JUST OUT EMERSON POLL HAS ME UP 10 POINTS IN IOWA.
THANK YOU!”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113419171072451969
The farmers are going to be pissed when RFK Jr bans corn syrup from the food supply.
This is why “judge shopping” is so important and why the Democrat Lawfare Machine excells at the practice! First, I’m convinced that the judge assignment “wheel” is a hoax in most districts especially the Democrat run districts. In every single case against President Trump, his aides and lawyers with the single exception of Judge Cannon in West Palm (There’s an explanation for that bungle!) the trial was assigned to a Bolshevik judge even the federal judge in Georgia overseeing the judge in the Fani Willis case.
I suspect that the black women who work in the district court clerk’s office are the same people who work in the elections offices in Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Madison, Atlanta and Detroit. So, if you can’t get an honest election what makes you think you’ll get an honest judge assignment?
Reporters and defence attorneys have all sorts of “ins” with the women in the court clerk’s offices. They take them out for expensive lunches. They bring gourmet food platters to them during the holidays and buy them flowers. All done to gain favors like information about sealed indictments.
Smith got stuck with Judge Cannon because he needed Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhardt to sign his search warrant for Mar-a-Lago and Reinhardt is the magistrate assigned to Judge Cannon. Smith must have felt he could easily handle Cannon or get her taken off the case and assigned to a judge in Miami where he’d have plenty of Bolsheviks to choose from!
The case had to be brought in Polk county, which is where the Des Moines Register plies their rag.
Winston S. Churchill — ‘You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.’
Purveyor of pointless purloined prose.
Re “You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.”
Every dog that barks does not bite. However, the ones that do, should be punished. Trump is punishing the ones that have bitten him.
noting: we can use statistics and simple gum shoe detective work over this matter
I am no lawyer, but I have a pretty keen sense of how to get to truth.
Also noting: I am not a big fan of settling in cases like this. It’s a cowardly way for both the defense and the plaintiff…Ultimately, it was not President Trump who was harmed but THE PEOPLE. And it’s about time we deserve to know the truth about how things go down.
If anyone sees seltzer packing a bag or lining up for a overseas departure, you have my permission to tackle…clotheslines permitted
God Bless America
Iowa, not Ohio.
ooops…Iowa it is
All Offense!!
Hurray President Trump!!
PT needs to send Tulsi, Pam and Kash and an investigation team to Salt Lake and spend a month extracting all the COMMS of those who conspired to take down a sitting President and a Presidential candidate and use the hop rule to widen the net and ensure they get the ring leaders.
Her BS was regurgitated in many states as a last ditch rallying cry. Follow the money, she received a golden parachute undoubtedly..let’s find out from whom.
I saw this poll a week before election day.
What I could not square in my State of Missouri was why we elected President Donald J. Trump to his third term as President whilst the “electorate” also voted to legalize murder of infants, as well as a slew of other unhinged parts of that bill.
I would think that for this case to get to first base Trump would have to show how, and to what extent he was damaged. Since he won Iowa in grand fashion it seems unlikely that the case will go anywhere.
Or how she was enriched?
Re “I would think that for this case to get to first base Trump would have to show how, and to what extent he was damaged. Since he won Iowa in grand fashion it seems unlikely that the case will go anywhere.”
People get tried and convicted for attempted murder and/or conspiracy to commit murder all the time. Why not for election tampering?
IIRC Bernie Sanders was cheated in Iowa in 2020 in order to keep him from winning the Democratic Primaries. He was on his way to rolling over Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and the rest of the Democratic rabble. An then there was a combination of bogus polling, Splitter candidates, and hacked voting machines that took him out. Kind of a practice run for Trump.
Good memory, professor. 👍
Damn right Stephen!! Lean in! When you got ’em on the run, run ’em! Praise God!!! Fight! Fight! Fight!
How many Iowans said to themselves – “Oh my god! Kamala is up 3 points! I better vote for her instead!” It seems to me there are countless Mockingbird drones that swayed opinion over a much longer time span than this did.
It was their desperate Election Weekend Surprise.
Election Suppression must be, well, suppressed.
So?
The poll wasn’t intended for Iowans it was to influence swing state women voters.
I believe fraud that crosses state lines, as is the case here, could draw some Trump 47 FBI scrutiny.
Lawsuits are nice. Federal grand juries are sharp teeth.
At this rate President Trump may get most of his attorney fees he has paid out over the last 4 years.
Bank records please
RE “If President Trump could succeed in getting the Des Moines Register and Ann Selzer to the point of discovery in the lawsuit, he would win- BIG TIME. However, getting a judge to allow Trump as a plaintiff to advance a lawsuit to the level that would expose the fraud, is a very uphill battle.”
UNLESS an anonymous whistleblower were to reveal some of those communications after the Inauguration
… and the NSA as a “Party of Interest” were to offer “Free Discovery”
… and serve up the specifics “In the Interest of National Security” …
As with the rank-and-file FBI that did nothing when they saw crimes by their colleagues the media rank-and-file will do nothing when they see crimes.
You heard Dr Sachs, they know they are lying and don’t care.
The other side has 100,000 Machiavelli’s in government and the media.
High-falootin’ Doctor Phil would likely not approve of Trump going after Stephanopoulos and Selzer and all the slanderers and election interferers and lawfarers …but I want more of this stuff!
Instead of donating his ABC settlement to charity, Trump should use those millions to pay for more lawyers to go after a slew of other bad actors who’ve made his life hell over the last eight years! Juan Menchan, Alvin Bragg, Letitia James, Fanny Willis, Mary McCord, Jack Smith, Andrew Weissmann, Liz Cheney to name just a few!
I want to see all these people, and many more, sweating little blood popsicles, wondering when the next boot is going to drop!
Stormy Daniels and that other woman. Make the prove their lies or payback time. Then there his old cheating lawyer.
“I can’t believe I faked the whole thing!” — A. Seltzer
Flop Flop Fizz Fizz
Dating yourself there, Genie. 😄 (I’m a child of the 70s myself. 😉)
At the library, you’ll find polls in the Fiction Section, under “Fairy Tales,” “Science Fiction” and “Horror Stories.”
Selzer tried to go out in a blaze of glory with a Hail Mary pass, but missed bigly.
Selzer is probably what put Kamala $20 million in the red.
I dunno, she looks pretty cheap to me.
Beyonce…
While the amount that ABC paid may not seem large, and any subsequent settlements will likely be covered by insurance, as ABC’s no doubt was, the point Trump is making is more than just “process is the punishment.”
He is mocking them. Making them look ridiculous. The MSM fancies itself the scribes of society, members of the elite.
When they have to admit error, in a sum that looks large to the average person, they lose credibility. Of course, they’ve lost it years ago, but in their vanity, they still hold on to the illusion that they direct the public into the “correct views.”
Stephanopoulos has shut down his X-feed (or ABC made him shut him down). The community notes must have been brutal.
What will the Des Moines Register readership look like if it ends up settling, too?
Mock on!
Stepinonuptoit will soon get his Pulitizer Prize(whom Trump is also suing)like the NY Times.
Oh yes. And the Pulitzer, being an award that the elites give to other elites for writing elitist-attitude articles, unreadable books, or interminably boring Broadway plays, really means little today.
It’s like the Oscars. They give out awards not to the films the public really likes (and being liked by the public does not necessarily mean it’s low-brow), but films that deliver what the great on-line critic, The Critical Drinker calls “THE MESSAGE!”
You are entirely correct on the Oscars.
Remember the winner a few years back? Bird Man?
I knew nobody that saw that movie, nobody who said they wanted to go to that
movie, and, even more damningly, there were no THEATERS showing that
movie when it won the Oscar. And, this is in metro Atlanta, population 6+
millions, with tons of movie theaters in it’s 19+ county area.
The oscars have become top of the fraud.
She should have put the margin of error at +/- 16 and she’d be off the hook!
She claimed on air to not know what crosstabs were.
Seems she might have gone into seizures if confronted with the concept of a margin of error.
Just saying, with a self-polled percentage of 101% correctness.
Oh, that’s good.