We have talked about the disconnect between union members and union leadership for several years. Within the trade unions the disconnect is even more noticeable.
Barack Obama leveraged union support to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary. However, as President Trump entered the world of politics in 2015, the dynamic of union membership support radically changed.
Donald Trump, known as the blue-collar billionaire, has always held a great relationship with various trade unions. President Trump has long supported the philosophical intent of trade unions as a collective body to stop corporate exploitation of members. The workers support businessman Donald Trump and as a politician and businessman Donald Trump has always supported the workers.
In this segment broadcast on CNN, the more than modestly annoying Frank Luntz, outlines the union membership support for President Trump as contrast against the corrupt union leadership support that aligns with their personal financial interests. WATCH:
Frank Luntz says union members are telling him, for the first time since he started focus groups in 1989, that union leadership doesn't speak for them
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— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) August 14, 2024
The faces of the CNN panel were fraught with physical pain as they considered what Luntz was saying. lolol
Frank better bring some ‘good news’ next time or he’ll be 86’d from CNN, even if he has to skew the polling.😱
He has nothing good to bring. MSM is as doa as union power broker management.
Yes, unfortunately for ol’ Toupee Frank and the CNN jackals, those figures are already skewed to the maximum.
Trump’s vague union comment that was made during his interview with Musk, will be used as one of the reasons for Trumps possible vote shortcomings, especially in union states like Michigan.
Even though, the union workers can see thru the comments, the powers to be, will use the statement as a way to explain the CHEAT.
I don’t remember President Trump making any comment about unions, and I listened to the interview twice.
There are a bunch of articles out there, about the UAW, filing a labor complaint against Musk and Trump about what was said during the interview.
Here, if the cheating is successful, they will point to the comments as the reason why thousands of workers were turned off, by the comments made, even though it’s not true.
There were also a bunch of articles saying what a “slurring, rambling disaster” the Trump-Musk conversation was and I don’t believe any of them!
But there is a lisp or distortion in the audio.
Personally, I believe the audio distortion works towards Trump’s advantage. It makes more people listen to the interview, out of curiosity about the audio distortion.
It’s kinda like the Paris Hilton effect. When Paris had a new video or product that came out, she would do something stupid to garner attention to herself, thus selling more of the product.
Some have told me that, in listening later via other sites, there was no ‘lisp’ present. The issue is with X app’s audio solution, or it’s doing some canned EQ on audio input.
Correct, the lisp was purposeful and wasn’t evident on later broadcasts. Some thought he had his teeth out.
There is video of Trump while on with Musk so that was not the case. They are making up the least little thing to make Trump look bad.
It’s to audio, not Trump.
Ann Coulter does the same when she writes a new book.
That’s not exactly what was said and what happened.
Trump made a comment about if worker’s strike then a company should have the right to fire, giving context to not bargaining in good faith.
And it wasn’t the workers themselves but the union claiming that was worker intimidation, a huge stretch of a claim on a level playing field.
Yep, but it isn’t stopping the leadership from filing a complaint, even though they don’t have standing.
They are just setting up the reasons why, if their cheating works.
Kinda like how Trump’s abortion comments were and are still being used against him, as the reason why tons of women supposedly voted against him.
The UAW is a huge voting demographic with hundreds of thousands of members. Even casino workers are under the UAW. Other than the Christian voting demographic, women represent the second largest block, and the Uniparty shapes their attacks, with aim at whittling away at those numbers.
It’s a form of marketing.
We don’t need women who kill their children
Wow. That is one of the most cruel statements I’ve seen in comments.
It is completely lacking in grace, forgiveness, or understanding.
God bless you, and may He soften your heart.
Why?
God already said killing your children is wrong.
You’re right.
So I guess I make the distinction between the women that advertise their abortions today and commit them with demonic rituals and women who have made bad choices, and back in the day, when the sexual revolution and feminism were new cult hits, women were deceived left and right.
Doesn’t make their actions or decisions right and by no means biblical. It makes them sinners, just like you and me. And thank the good Lord, the blood of Jesus washes clean that guilt for those who repent.
The blood of Jesus gives everyone who calls on it a second chance. It struck me that Right to Reply, was being judgmental to the point of allowing no grace.
What did Reagan say – there is room for everyone under the umbrella? If we don’t show grace to those who have learned a life lesson the hard way, or have changed their course, or are converts to the Lord, we make the umbrella mighty small.
I was guilty of this with the Tim Walz comments. GB Bari called me out and he was right.
I pray for the people whose hands I don’t want to shake (and those committing ritualized abortions) because God wants them to repent and find Him.
It’s a lot of very hard work to love people the way Jesus asks us too. Mind numbingly hard. If He had prostitutes at his table, he would have had women that killed their children at His table.
You are right. The democrats plan to steal the election. They are setting up so called reasons for the last second vote flip. The MSM propaganda organs can then explain why the vote fraud wasn’t really vote fraud. Union members decided to vote democratic as their Union bosses told them to, women voted for Harris because it is essential they be able to kill their unborn children, young people all decided that it is more important to be “in” and “woke” than voting for their own best interest.
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Where are we going and why am I in this hand basket?
Trump was basically complimenting Musk for the way he handles his workforce. He said something like – if your workers strike, you just replace them. Not a great comment as far as unions are concerned.
Hopefully it doesn’t matter, but as Disable Enabler said, it could be used as a reason if the dems succeed at the cheat.
It’s against the law to fire workers participating in a lawful strike. This angle is part of the larger meme of “un-democratic” dictator.
It’s the universality of the statement (understood as such or not) that is getting played by the Left.
Here is what they are using against President Trump:
“The UAW seized upon Trump’s remarks as the union rallies behind Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris and encourages its nearly 400,000 workers to vote for her over Trump.
The issue is especially pertinent in battleground states like Michigan which could determine who wins the White House in November. The UAW endorsed Harris at the end of July.
“You’re the greatest cutter,” Trump said to Musk during Monday’s conversation, complimenting the CEO’s ability to cut costs by saying he would not tolerate workers going on strike. “I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in, you just say: ‘You want to quit?’ They go on strike – I won’t mention the name of the company – but they go on strike. And you say: ‘That’s okay, you’re all gone.’“
Musk chuckled but did not respond to Trump’s comments, making it harder for the NLRB to find him liable for making illegal threats to workers at his companies, said Wilma Liebman, chair of the NLRB under former President Barack Obama.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uaw-files-labor-charges-against-trump-musk-2024-08-13/
Regan fired all the air traffic controllers that went on strike.
Federal gov’t workers can’t strike – per USC.
Not the same context for companies.
Extortionists! Union leadership long ago figured out to grift and hold on to power. They have no intention of letting go of either one. Their comrades in the DNC will protect them.
But…..they do not have the people, the workers, those that produce the wealth that their so called leaders steal and grift! The workers….the people….are with Trump. Many more will jump on the MAGA train….even those you though never would because the events that are to come are will shock people out of the comfortably numb life and ring them to realize what’s going on….even if they have been sleeping up to now.
Frank Luntz is insufferable. I do not know how he managed to continue grifting after being exposed by Penn & Teller so many years ago.
President Trump is the President of ALL people because he understands that without those “workers” he could have never achieved his greatest successes. Changing the NYC skyline is but one of those achievements.
Unlike politicians, he speaks to the people and actually listens. He is also no stranger to hard work, unlike today’s professional politicians.
When I was much younger I had 2 union jobs. The idea of being in the union was enticing back then.
The bloom fell off the rose, when I saw the corruption and apathy of union leadership.
I prefer a comparison to the Indian chiefs who traded away rivers and forests for glass beads and copper kettles.
But even here in Mass, the split between union leadership and the ranks is underway.
It’s more than just an economic split, though. My impression is average union worker is not on board with the sort of culture promoted by the modern Democratic Party or the future it has planned for this country. Those that support Trump support him as much for the social/cultural issues as they do for the economic ones.
Respectfully, the main difference is that the Indians did not consider land “ownership” as part of life, which the Europeans quickly realized and used to destroy the Tribes, because they were not “civilized”.
Correct. The Indian chiefs felt like the joke was on the whites
I never understood this claim. Indians didn’t fight each other for territory and lay claims on hunting grounds? If they didn’t, then why did they fight against each other?
Good point, Mr Oxty, yes they did that, because life and death was a different mindset for their perspective on the calendar 175 years ago, and this is not the same as the political manipulation and venal arrogance in society as we know it over the last 80 or so years. Yes, beer was made by some tribes, as a parallel to today, this is historically proven, this is not the point. The foundation of integrity, honesty and quality of living is better than what a lot of people in this “modern society” are willing to admit to or reflect on because 90 % of people all over the planet can’t or won’t think outside themself. Rant over. 🙂
they did fight each other
There’s a lake in Mass. with a long Indian name that loosely translates to: “you fish on your side, I fish on my side, and nobody fishes in the middle.”
I was aware I was not being entirely accurate, but I believe the analogy captures the essence of the issue in a way most people understand.
I also believe that while native nations did not consider land rights in terms of individual property ownership, they certainly understood them, at least to some degree, in terms of group ownership. Otherwise there would not have been entities such as the Powhatan Confederacy or events such as the Beaver Wars.
A fascinating discussion, but sadly off-topic…
Off topic? Hmm, you opened the door.
Which is why I was trying to close it.
Perhaps ownership is the wrong word. But they certainly considered land as part of their territory, hunting rights, etc. In a similar fashion, animals mark the territory that they govern, even though they don’t consider themselves ‘owners’.
right, scalping is not civilized
Hmmm, kinda like GOPrick RINOrat leadership and the base voter.
When I was a kid late 60’s early 70’s my mm lived in Miami with my stepfather he was a lawyer and one of his clients was a union boss had a plush condominium in the Coconut Grove area, he had to drop off some kind legal document they had a Ferrari, Mercedes etc right on a dock with a beautiful boat. I asked him who is this? He rolled his eyes and said “a union leader”. Don’t know the union.
Even 55+ years ago this was a very expensive zip code. My point the, separation of this man and the people he “represents” couldn’t be more stark. The membership is completely detached from leadership,reality is catching up with another false narrative.
Do not really understand the internal mechanics of how the bosses stay in power.
But – they clearly loot the pension funds for personal desires, and then when the funds run low, politicians like Sherrod Brown (Demon Senator OH) find a way to bail them out with public money. They pay off Brown, Brown swamps his opponents with campaign cash, and stays in power. (In Brown’s case, he is also owned by the trial lawyers – mucho money there as well.)
Bernie Moreno for Ohio – all in on him. Best chance we’ve had to take out Brown. Moreno solid.
Yep, I used to go to their Christmas Parties in the late seventies.
Union Executives and guests only.
I was drinking in those days.
Only the best Scotch, Brandies and wines.
The membership got a voucher for a Turkey.
Cheers!
All my life (I am advanced elderly) I have listened to ills of unions. Some of my people were union members because they had to be, no by choice. My grandfather was a little softer towards the unions, but was very closed lipped about his views. My dad was not happy about the union he belonged to and complained. No one could tell either of these men how to vote. They made up their own minds acted accordingly. I can understand how the leadership gets the upper hand. They are no different the mafia in my opinion.
I can see how a picture is painted for security and improvement, but truth is unions are shake downs (at least in my mind). Not all will come to a better understanding, but several will. That is what is happening. Hard to turn from the truth. Trump brings the truth. We will see.
I cannot stand luntz.
Thank you, Sundance. Blessings
And the union leaders never point out that 70% of our GDP comes from purchasing. Purchasing things that were never made in the USA. The Unions are greedy pigs like Walz and Pelosi. Dirty little twisted liars, freaks, and perverts, milking the machine that others are forced to feed.
“The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.” Sun Tsu
I am a State Union employee of 21 years and a staunch conservative (the guy that hired me said at our first luncheon “you’re like an oxymoron, a republican working for state govt). ((PS Back then I didn’t follow politics and really didn’t understand his comment fully as my view was limited to R’s want small govt and balanced budgets and D’s are tax and spend.)) At least 50% of my co-workers are MAGA and do not support the union leadership. SEIU rallies for all leftist officials and the turn out by the work force of over 15,000 is always laughable as most are Union reps and others “working” toward spots at the top. Suffice it to say, even public unions are leaning toward the middle.
WARNING- shallow comment: oh how I missed Frank and his hairpiece.
He looks thinner and way more stressed out.
he has quite a mop now!
I always wonder who’s hair that really belonged to…… “only da best”
Frankie is looking more and more like the Morrie Kesseler character from Goodfellas every day.
“The faces of the CNN panel were fraught with physical pain as they considered what Luntz was saying.”
Here is what I believe is the panelist thought process.
The panel members realized that:
And we all sang Oh Happy Days.
Enjoy…
Spot on. I walk the plant floor amongst the outside trades. Those guys are largely the most common sensical people around. Their union leaders generally watch their mouth, because they know better. Biden found out in 2020, when he got humiliated by a young guy on the plant floor who looked like a sheetmetal tradesman to me. The UAW reps escorting Biden had to haul him away. Great video.
The crux of it is that the UAW was bought during the bailout 16 years ago. The leaders got to keep their perks, a resort on Drummond Island, golf, hot tubs, female companionship. The Uniparty saw to that.
The UAW members got screwed and they know it. And the outside trades like the sheetmetal kid are completely detached from all of that. They’ll likely bludgeon the Uniparty candidate again.
Trump knows all this and leverages it. Smart boy, this Trump.
20+ year member of the IAFF, most people I know/knew in the CA fire service are very conservative, those that seek union power not so much.
A lot of my cohorts that have just retired or will be in the next few years are fleeing that state like I did.
Thank you for your Service Eric
I was in the painter’s union for 35 or so years
Union leadership,at the national level is not in alignment with the members. In no way, on no topic.
Local and regional leadership are a little less uhhhh full of communist, but have to speak the democrat line or be out of a cushy job.
I got an email from the union president within hours of Biden passing the torch to Kamala. Full on, 100% endorsement.
While not shocked, I am kinda amazed at the coordination involved.
I was in that union for 5 years. My union employer wanted out of the union and they kept cutting our wages. The union was fine with this
since they still got their dues. I decided to start my own business.
Luntz has always taken every opportunity he can to hurt President Trump in a very Machiavellian way. This is why he is on CNN warning the rotten Dems to do something to stop this. I can’t stand him.
” However, as President Trump entered the world of politics in 2015, the dynamic of union membership support radically changed.”
That would be “the perceived dynamic”
Trade union member support of dems is 20% on a good day and has been that way for decades.
Like the IC “protecting Democracy”.
From ’95 to ’01, I worked in a union factory that was out in the sticks. Pretty much all of the people on the shop floor were farmers that worked small family farms. They worked in the factory because their small farms didn’t produce enough volume for a living.
The official stance of the union was to vote for the Democrat candidate du jour. The union leaders went around pressuring the members to vote Democrat. The members AND most, not all but most of the leaders voted Republican.
Those old farmers knew that the Dim economic policies were anti-farm and anti-manufacturing. They all voted their wallets, not what they were told to vote by the union.
So, it was ha-ha funny to watch the union bosses make the rounds to pressure the members to vote Democrat and the members would give a hearty “hell no”. They could articulate the issues and ensuing harm the Dim candidates and policies would bring about. That was a sharp bunch. No pretending with them.
So, how are unions getting voted in?
The company was formed at the beginning of WWII to make the machinery to make artillery shells. Then the company set up shop to make artillery shells as well, using their own machinery.
The company started out in a city that had a large number of unionized manufacturers and it wasn’t long before the company was unionized. Later, the company set up a division a good 40 miles out of the city and were counting on the facility to be non-union. But the company sent experienced (union) workers out to start up manufacturing and it wasn’t too long before the union was voted in to get union wages, just like in town.
I worked out in the ‘sticks’ division. The work ethic and product quality there were top notch. As I mentioned, the shop people weren’t very good union employees except for holding the line on better wages and benefits. They were voting their wallets when it came directly to their wages. They were a hardworking, but contrary bunch.
Union leadership has generally been corrupt for nearly a century.
The only thing that’s changed are the crime gangs they’ve associated with.
A majority of their members will be quietly voting Trump, however. And that’s what matters most.
I can’t understand how union leadership in the shipping & transportation endorses Democrats. The green energy push is deadly to its workers. The only reason can be corrupt leadership. Workers should be taking back their union leadership. It’s the very same with teachers unions.
One could say the union members are in an abusive relationship with their leaders.
Sounds familiar…
This all goes back to Joe the Plumber. And my god, its an easy choice for the rank and the file. The Union structure and payola scheme reminds me of the old Beatles song, the Tax Man:
Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
‘Cause I’m the taxman
Yeah, I’m the taxman; aka Union Leaders
My dad said he always looked for who the union supported, then he voted the opposite.
League of women voters puts out an insert in the paper before every election. I love it as a shorthand guide to every issue and vote EXACTLY the opposite on every issue and candidate.
We had an uber liberal newspaper that endorsed all Dems with very occasional Rino thrown in for fun. My lib wife was shocked and appalled when she saw a guy who had brought the paper’s endorsements and voted the exact opposite.
Needless to say I voted opposite from the endorsement too. Lol!
Yep I saw that look.. lol.. it is funny, it’s like they feel the squish of a turd between their toes ..
As someone who grew up on a dairy farm, I know that feeling!
I love it. The panel of mostly blacks, one with the appropriated blonde wig, are contorting in pain. LOVE IT!
Exactly! They inspire nothing but hate. Unprofessional DEI hires who need to look into ozempic. Why would one follow or listen to people who can’t put the fork down. No control. Luntz pretends they are all professionals. Those women know nothing about unions.
Yall be dreaming. Current members may be pulling away but their ancestors will still vote demokkrat. Twice!
The faces of the CNN panel reflect their understanding that the grievance money train is about to derail.
Union leaders have lost the respect of union members. Did not protect the workers from political ravages.
Taxpayer citizens have lost the respect of government leaders. Did not protect citizens from political ravages.
THE LEADERSHIP IS NOT GOD, YET THEY ENJOY AND PROFIT PRETENDING THEY ARE!
SOBER UP OR YOU DISAPPEAR!
It’s all about that loutish “f**k you, pay me” attitude. That attitude will always exist, but it can be dealt with by properly setting and enforcing boundaries. There needs to be something more important than money – and there is, it’s called our nation. Destroying society for the sake of money should be dealt with decisively. It’s called sedition when it’s homegrown scheming and treason when it involves foreign agents. Globalism demands that we disregard those boundaries for the sake of money. Reestablish true Nationalism, set hard boundaries on greedy behavior, and you’ll see those bastard union bosses wiped out alongside all the other greedy psychopaths. This is why Trump is so naturally appealing. He’s the only one who points out this stuff and acknowledges that it can’t go on forever. There’s nothing wrong with being successful, but you can’t destroy everybody else and call it success.
Like the pigs in the book Animal Farm…What a disgrace…
Thank you for your eloquent summary of what a union should be. Most people just say they must be eliminated but in my opinion unions are great even with all the corruption. If you could eliminate the corruption they’d be even better. Working as a carpenter in Tampa and also Chicago will quickly teach you the difference between having collective bargaining and not having it. Even if you aren’t a member, just being in the same market automatically raises the bar for all workers.
I appreciate you
Union leadership is more like any run of the mill, corrupt political organization.
And they are really mad at the head of the Teamsters union who spoke at the
RNC.Which union is bigger. UAW or Teamsters?
I believe Teamsters is larger, at least nowadays.
Hahaha, I would describe their facial expression as anguish
Not just trade unions. Teachers and other government employees as well, but the teachers may have become more supportive of their unions now that the teacher colleges have been captured by communists.
Teachers are the worst, they are followers not leaders.
There should be NO government unions. They are unconstitutional. Why? It should be obvious. When employment unions have sway over the actions of government employees at large, then that competes with the power of elected officials which is grated by the constitution.
A controlling or influencing power which has influence on government employees is in direct conflict with the powers under the constitution.
And this includes TEACHERS unions. They are government and are protected by the same laws which specifically protect government employees.
Heck, for that matter, government employees shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
In 1962, President John Kennedy issued Executive Order 10988, reaffirming the right of federal workers to organize and codifying their right to bargain collectively.
Why do the union members keep voting these union leaders into office?
More rigged elections, or stupidity?
Illusion of choice. Sound familiar?
People probably don’t realize that Elon moved his headquarters to Texas early on. And probably the reason for that is that Texas is a Right to Work state and you don’t have to have a Union. Some of the other states that were not a Right to Work stated moved to make their state a Right to Work so that business would move to their state. Indiana wasn’t always a Right to Work state but when that legislation was being put forth, the Democrats left the state holding up the legislation. But the Republicans finally got it passed so that we would have more businesses move here.
This makes me think of some of the recent polls that show Harris catching up or ahead. I get the honeymoon thing but I have a hard time thinking a majority of Americans can support her. I don’t trust many polls nor do I trust the media. My question is; what are the REAL polling numbers?
Evil politicians pander to the people with promises they know they won’t keep. President Trump, on the other hand talks directly to the people sidestepping the establishment, makes promises, then actually tries to follow through. The People see what he’s doing, but especially they see who is standing in his way.
I really hate Nikki Haley.
Trump is in NC today and people are lined up to see him as I type.
On comes Haley to say, “He has to talk about issues–talk to women, to college-educated women and not about her [Harris]” as if Trump has NOT been doing so.”
She wants soooo bad for Trump to lose so that she doesn’t automatically have to face Vance 4 years from now.
She’s disgusting.
Teamsters Union pipeliner here. Most of us Union members, LUNA, IUOE, Teamsters will be voting for Trump.
Trump’s comment could easily come back to haunt him. I wish he would get on the record with some clarification. Us workers just want fair employment where Globalist companies try to cheap out
Something else that I’d like to share. Enbridge project currently working on in Minnesota. Teamsters reps. came to us members looking for political donations. They felt awkward after a couple of us described the DNC/GOP as corrupt companies that don’t deserve a dime. People chuckled, some just walk away. Lol
Frank Lunz sure looks different. The beard and the hair and weight loss? Oh well.
I was in a “union”. It was great at first but things changed. I was all over them about Obama and his Obamacare and the damage it was doing to the worker.We had “Cadillac” insurance with the union and Obama’s plan changed it for the worse.
The Reps were brainwashed, unable to see what was happening to their members, or perhaps just young enough to think it was all for the greater good.
But Union leadership understood well enough what was going on and did not fight for what we had worked for at all. . They were preoccupied with buying themselves a nice retirement and vacation homes with our union dues.
Nothing like watching liberal commentators running through the liberal forest only to have a conservative branch smack them right in their smug faces..
New toupee?
“The faces of the CNN panel were fraught with physical pain as they considered what Luntz was saying.”
So coward “Frank” had to add, “I hate to say this …”
So coward “Frank” had to add, “I hate to say this …”
Please come back Kevin.
🙂
Funny, personal union story. When I was a small child in the mid 50s, my Dad was a laborer. Non union. He made $1 an hour. He worked at whatever he could. We lived in an itinerant worker shack. Basically two rooms, with wasps nest in the walls, so we always had “visitors”. One window had no glass. There was no heat. My mom, sister, and I slept in the bed; Dad on the couch. We had nothing. And when the rains came, and the jobs shut down, we had less than nothing.
Then dad joined the union. Operating Engineers Local 3. He got steady work, better pay. We had regular normal meals. We got medical and dental. We moved into an actual house The difference was pleasantly astounding.
Then in 1980, I tried to join OE 3 as an apprentice surveyor. I had taken surveying classes and had an AS in geology. My Dad had 23 years in the union.
Nope. They were not taking any white men, only minorities and women. The business agent explained it. I had known him since I was a child. Nothing he could do.