January 13th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1089

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681 Responses to January 13th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1089

  1. Reserved55 says:

    Liked by 1 person

    • realeyecandy1 says:

      She is probably the NUT JOB who leaked a bunch of stuff to another NUTJOB by the name of Meschie … you all know the nut I’m talking about. She went so far down the rabbit hole once she claimed the Sgt of Arms of SC was coming to arrest the POTUS on AF1


  2. There will be no indictments or convictions of the miscreants because of the DC legal system, including woke jury pools that also seat the grand juries. There is a point of futility here. Grand juries can nullify probable cause presentations. What happens in DC stays in DC.

    I agree with the Dutchman about the sorriness of Barr and Durham. However, we were already screwed before that.


  3. Reserved55 says:

    Comey’s daughter


  4. Reserved55 says:

    Think David Kris is bad

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  5. USA-Patriot says:

    Have Fun

    Liked by 2 people

    • romy911 says:

      I watched that a long time ago & just watched it again. The first 15 minutes, when Rep. Nunes is recounting a story about one of his first interactions with Candidate Trump, is very funny.
      The second half of the speech was interesting and a bit sad, ie., where we were then & where we are now. It was a good reminder of what a great Congressman Devin Nunes is.
      Thanks for posting it.

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  6. Carrie says:

    The FISA Court can issue surveillance on any US citizen based on rumor, innuendo or even paid for propaganda as evidence. But our AG cannot even unlock a dammed Iphone from a known jihadist who murdered innocent Americans on US soil.


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    • Given that my “locked” iPhone routinely unlocks itself while shuffling around in my shirt pocket, I damned well know that Apple (of course …) does possess the ability to unlock any of their devices. I’m entirely sure that someone at every Apple Authorized Service Center has instructions on how to do it. Any search warrant would of course immediately be complied with. Given a warrant, the Government does have the right to search your electronics, as well as your other “personal effects.”

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      • Reserved55 says:

        Remember the San Bernardino baby shower slaughter by mooselimbs? FBI said the same thing about Apple not providing the key.

        There isn’t a computer that can not be hacked.
        Hell, the Gov. computers get hacked all the time. The FIB are liars.

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  7. jeans2nd says:

    Cheeto-Face Beck is not my favorite person.
    Cheeto-Face is untrustworthy, and should generally be ignored.

    That said, Cheeto-Face had a good interview with Sharyl Attikinson. Beck allowed her to talk, and asked pertinent questions.

    Attkinson says there are “Dark Groups,” plural, that exist extra-judiciously, consisting of FBI, DOJ, Secret Service, outside contractors, and others, that, rather than going through FISC courts, merely conduct their activity outside of anyone’s jurisdiction on thousands of Americans.
    What these guys do is jaw-dropping.

    Why do we even need the FISA system, with Dark Groups like this circumventing FISC anyway?

    Anyways, Attkinson had more to say. She never spoke with her whistleblower, her attorneys have, but she is forever grateful. There is more in this interview.

    Remember that NY Times guy who said he had child-porn planted on his puter? After listening to Attkinson, that guy is sounding kinda believable. 8:54

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    • With the state of present-day computer technology, the presence of “incriminating materials” on any computer (or, phone!) is not presumptive evidence that the owner of the device either put it there, or knows that it was there, or had any role whatever in the fact that it is somehow there. (Any more than the “we found a joint in your car” should have ever been honored by so many of the courts and juries that sent-away so many people on “mandatory sentences.”)

      My personal computer has more than 200 gigabytes of information on it – more than 10 million files. (Yes, I know how to count such things. Unlike nearly everyone else, “this is my business.”) Nonetheless, I do not have any idea what 99% of them are. And, neither do you. Could some of them have been placed there without my knowledge, despite my diligent professional efforts? Absolutely yes.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        Easy Mike, most haven’t our level of knowledge, and one must speak in non-tech, and must use other methods to convince – ever teach an Adult Ed puter class full of noobs?

        But having hacked registries (and other “things”) for fun and reverse-engineered viruses for extra cash (as have you, one suspects), we can safely say we know more of what those files say and do than most.
        btw – my puter counts those files for me, and so does yours, but you know that and don’t need me to tell ya 😉


      • jeans2nd says:

        (and put those files on a usb drive with the covers removed, and get them off ur puters. ur puters have the covers off already, one hopes.
        usb drives store GBs as well and are easier to dispose when the knock comes…)


        • Unfortunately, Jeans, “these are the things that you might do if you had any idea that the files were there.” In other words, “if you had actually put them there.”

          Unfortunately for all of us, people still cling to the notion of “my ‘personal’ computer.” Well, I am profoundly sorry to inform you that George Orwell has now come and gone. What you now have is a computer-portal … by the way, your phone(s) are more of them … that just happens to be parked at your specific GPS coordinates. (Which, by the by, are perfectly well-known to people that you don’t know. For all you know, your laptop is both filming you and recording you … surreptitiously identifying the faces of each and every person who happens into view … transmitting all of it without your knowledge and in the dead-of-night to … somewhere.)

          “What? Am I playing games with you?” No. Be afraid. Be very afraid. “Yes, this is a conspiracy. No, this is not a theory.”


          • jeans2nd says:

            Oh good grief Mike, lighten up. A good many of us already know all you said and more. Your phone can only track you if you carry it with you, which i do not. Went for over a year with no phone at all, for reasons. The TV and laptop do not track or record me as there are none in the house. No cameras. The phone cam and mic have duct tape on them. Most people are unaware of what we can do. The trick is to inform and advise without fear.
            If someone can think it up, someone else can figure a way to break it. Happens every day. The difference is the color of the hat you wear.


            • Judith says:

              I have to smile because, computer or no, every moment of our lives is “recorded.” Nothing that happens within or without our physical being will ever escape notice. That is because we are children of God, and our lives are an open book.

              Even as we die to the flesh, no flash drive will conceal who we are and what we’ve done in our lives, because God’s file is embedded in our hard drives.

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    • Reserved55 says:

      The IC already own Krugman, they haven’t any reason to dirty him up.

      The difference here is the IPs on her computer were the Governments. Krugman claimed his IP was hacked.

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      • arsumbris says:

        From the looks of it, Krugman fell victim to same scam old ladies fall for: he was called by some Indian phone scammer, told he had porn detected on his IP address, and he needed to pay a fine to “law enforcement” or else a SWAT team would knock down his door within 24 hours.

        He took the bait, freaked out, and started tweeting defensively to get out ahead of it.

        Since he didn’t get arrested, but acted like he had been caught, either he was being legit blackmailed, pranked, or it was a common script from a foreign scammer.


  8. Reserved55 says:

    Yuuuuuug cheers and USA USA chants greet The President and First Lady at College Football Championship.

    Liked by 4 people

  9. bullnuke says:

    An incredible welcome for our president at the championship football game. Actually shocked ESPN showed it. The chant of USA USA USA was loud and long!!!!

    Liked by 3 people

  10. arsumbris says:

    Had an idea, curious to hear the reactions from Good Tree Folk: Trump could cancel all outstanding student debt outright, add $108 billion to the country’s GDP as a result, and checkmate every possible Democratic contender before they even finish their primaries.

    Assumption: Bernie or Biden are Trump’s most likely opponents in 2020.

    Biden is known for the 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention Act, that made it impossible to discharge student loans in bankruptcy. That means Biden is one of the people primarily responsible for Americans starting their families later, having fewer children, buying homes later in life, and choosing not to start small businesses — since 2005. He ALWAYS sides with the destruction of American citizens on behalf of globalist money; this same loyalty informs his position on immigration, which he favors because it will “replace Americans of European stock”:

    Bernie is known for offering “free college”, and “forgiving student debt”. All his other impossible promises aside, this is one promise he could actually keep, and it would probably have positive economic consequences.

    A February 2018 study published by the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College found that canceling the total outstanding student debt — about $1.4 trillion — would boost gross domestic product by up to $108 billion a year on average for the 10 years following the debt cancellation.

    [SOURCE: http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/the-macroeconomic-effects-of-student-debt-cancellation ]

    Trump could cut the legs out from under every Dem candidate WHILE boosting the economy. It would be a total checkmate.



    • Bendix says:

      I think there at least needs to be some sort of reform.
      People have debt they can never repay because the fees and interest are so high.
      Biden’s kids didn’t have to worry about paying for his own school.
      It was a scam, and it is completely unfair that millions in debt can be discharged, but not if it was for education.
      If people were graduating and immediately declaring bankruptcy, that would have been easy enough to fix without going to extremes.

      If you are an American struggling with debt, you might believe it is in your family’s best interests to vote for the person who would relieve you of that burden.
      It would be easy enough to rationalize.
      Remember the bailouts?

      I also do NOT want Bernie or Liz to succeed in passing along the ridiculous costs to the taxpayer, just so the university crown can continue to overpay politicians and their relatives with jobs and “speaking fees”.
      Free college would ruin our system, because you know it wouldn’t be limited to good students.
      I’d like to know who paid for AOC’s college.

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      • arsumbris says:

        Thing is, it doesn’t necessarily get passed along to the taxpayer. The first part of the government hit by the loss of student debt revenues is the federally backed, endlessly expanding Department of Education bureaucracy, and the college administration industry.

        Overnight, you’ll see the multi-million dollar administrative budgets shrink, and massive layoffs at the top. Then you’ll see useless liberal arts indoctrination programs like “Nubian Egyptian Critical Theory” and “Intersectional Trans-Feminist Basket Studies” disappear. Colleges and universities would shrink down to programs actually geared toward industry.

        While universities focused on STEM fields, we’d also see the argument “we need to staple a green card to the diplomas of foreign graduates” disappear. College admissions would tighten, open enrollment would give way to competitive enrollment, and people who rpobably needed to go to tech and trade schools instead of 4 year colleges, will. They’ll also enter industry in higher numbers, or return to university able to pay their way while working, instead of needing to borrow the price of a first house just to afford to one day take out a home loan.

        One form of debt is designed to chain into another: start 18 year old on credit cards leads to student debt, leads to late home ownership, leads to smaller savings, leads to home loans instead of home purchases, etc.

        We could solve a lot of problems just by taking down the Government-University Financial nexus.

        I paid off my student loans years ago, but nothing would be more satisfying after that experience than to know that someone dismantled that worthless system of purchasing “work permits”. University degrees should remain scarce, and be reserved for people that truly need them, and will benefit the economy by having them. If everyone gets a free degree like Bernie wants, the value of a degree shoots through the floor.

        This would also protect the value of degrees people already have.


    • JG3 says:

      From now, back…cancel the debt, but then they still pay/erase their balance with- a dollar off for every dollar on paycheck or paid in taxes (keep ’em working). Then give parents/those that paid/are paying for their’s 2 dollars for every dollar tax break. From now, forward… come up with a “real life” (not politicians) plan

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    • Lucille says:

      “Biden is known for the 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention Act, that made it impossible to discharge student loans in bankruptcy.” Huh!

      You think being made to pay back loans is a bad thing? How about not going to colleges you can’t afford?

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      • arsumbris says:

        Are you also critical of Trump’s past bankruptcies, or do you recognize that discharging debt through a legal process is necessary to the function of free markets?

        Debt traps are unconstitutional, and designed to keep the nation in perpetual bondage to banks (like the Federal Reserve, and the globalist cartels). That’s what Andrew Jackson spent his time as president trying to dismantle.

        Maybe you think it’s fine that the department of education indoctrinates kids to get “work licenses” with permanent loans if they want to be more than a janitor, then profits off their debts while bailing out banks and Dem donors. Sounds like the Department of Education has an incentive to keep kids failing and in debt, that’s what keeps the $$$ rolling in.


        • Lucille says:

          How immature to think that students should get a free pass for something that was within their control to avoid. I have family members who continue paying off their student loans each month. They are living frugally, and while they moan about not being able to take vacations, that’s the price they pay for not planning correctly.

          Bankruptcy was basically set up for situations that were unavoidable such as crop failure and diseases that affected animals. Without bankruptcy, the families would have starved or at the very least lost their properties and livelihood. Show me one example of a 20-40-something in danger of starvation because agreed-upon loan payments are so high.

          Donald Trump used the laws available and PR-wise has received enough terrible publicity to more than pay his pound of flesh to those who hate him.

          NO ONE is being forced to go to a school they cannot afford. A person can be responsible or irresponsible. The choice is his.

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          • arsumbris says:

            Please watch the video I linked, because I don’t disagree with any of the principles you’re presenting. I’m saying we’re talking about two different problems, on two different scales.

            I’m not arguing about whether or not people should make safe camp fires (take out loans they “don’t want”), I’m talking about how to put out the forest fire (we’ve been handing out free money for 40 years while gutting the value of the degrees people go into debt for). This video here:

            …does a pretty good job explaining how government created a situation with student loans identical to the housing loan scams they created 20 years ago that led to the crisis in 2007.

            It’s not just a question of whether people should take out loans individually. It’s about the system requiring them to have degrees, indoctrinating them for 12 years to believe they have no choice, with parents and the media telling them the same thing. That’s where we’re at now. So the government keeps shelling out the free loans, even to people who won’t ever make enough for that to be a good thing whether they pay the loans back or not.

            It results in other major problems throughout the economy: it’s tied to labor policy regarding illegals, its tied to shipping jobs overseas, to handing out green cards, and ultimately, to our taxes endlessly rising to finance all the breakdowns in the system.

            “How immature to think that students should get a free pass for something that was within their control to avoid”

            We wind up paying for these faults in the system whether we individually take out the loans ourselves, or Uncle Sam is convincing millions of high school kids to take them out when they shouldn’t. What Bernie wants to do isn’t get rid of a system that’s sinking us to the tune of $1.5 Trillion + degree inflation + lower birthrates + lower home ownership + inflation to service the mountains of debt the system is creating, etc, etc, etc (the same problems always requiring illegals, and outsourced labor, etc, etc, to “solve”).

            Bernie wants to make that system swallow everything: free degrees for everyone means degrees become worthless. So how do you kill the system before the socialists are able to make it triple in size?

            Like I said, we’re past whether or not they should build a safe campfire. The campfire is now a brush fire, and we have to talk about whether or not we want to stay on this path to socialism that the debt-degree-inflation industry is shepherding us toward.


      • arsumbris says:

        Carter (democrat) created the debt-degree-inflation cycle. It’s just another layer of permanent debt scheme they use to push the US away from being a sovereign Republic, and becoming a globalist “province”.


    • peace says:

      @arsumbris: Will all the folks who worked hard (maybe 2 jobs) and saved for years (my 11 year old grandson has a college fund) get refunded? Reparations for those of us who paid our way to college? No, college debt is debt and should be paid by those who own the debt.

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      • arsumbris says:

        I don’t expect to be “paid back” for the loans I repaid. I want the degree I paid for to retain its value. I want the money in my savings not to suffer inflation because of trillion dollar debts in every sector that the government creates shelling out loans for worthless degrees. I want my sons to make enough to raise families without having to get a 4 year degree just to get hired at starbucks. If they get degrees, I want them to be valuable, not cheapened by dropping the standards to give one out to every “dreamer’ from Juarez.

        So how do you unplug that cancerous system before the socialists triple it in size over the next 15 years?


        • arsumbris says:

          HINT: you financially gut it somehow.

          — A debt amnesty would cause the system to collapse.
          — Legislation to undo the student loan system Carter created
          — Make universities bear equal risk be bringing back bankruptcy, forcing universities to be discriminating in who they admit, because if a student fails or can’t pay their loans, then the University loses money (right now, Uncle Sam covers their losses, so they throw money at everyone)

          So which of these options could Trump accomplish alone, with an executive order?
          That was my original question.


          • Absolutely NO debt forgiveness.

            That money would be better used flushed down the toilet rather than paying for Gender, Race, and other Whiny Fake Degrees.

            Those with a REAL degree will make money and pay their debts.

            This was the silliest idea floated on TCTH in a long time.

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            • arsumbris says:

              It’s not stupid if you look at the numbers, see that the majority of the debt is never going to be payed back, our taxes (and our grand-children’s taxes) will be servicing a debt-creating government bureaucracy (ie, the Dept. of Ed. Swamp) that keeps growing that un-serviceable debt by handing out more loans from Universities backed by tax-payer billions, who take no risk while handing out loans to everyone who asks for one. If you don’t have any common sense, you might say “well don’t take out loans if you can’t pay them”. But if you admit what everyone with eyes can see, that Uncle Sam has your kids for 12 years of their lives, and propagandizes them to take loans they bear all the risk for, while promising them they’ll be able to pay them off if they get degrees in Feminist Clown Car Theory, you might think that’s a part of the swamp that needs draining.

              I have enough common sense to call the Swamp the Swamp. I’m just exploring what would happen when you take away the debt the Swamp uses as blackmail to keep their party going in our Universities.

              I’ll never understand why it triggers some people. It’s obviously a broken system, corrupt to the core, ruining kids lives when it should be making the nation competitive. I’m not the only one who see the problem:



          • Peter Noone says:

            They could do an amnesty, but if they didn’t pair it with legislation to dismantle the Dept of Education and stop giving out future loans, it could backfire (on you) and just become another bailout. You’re right that it would put billions back into the economy, but if you don’t shut off the tap at the same time you haven’t solved the problem.

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            • arsumbris says:

              That’s the gist of my hypothesis here: how do you disconnect the life support from a system “paying for Gender, Race, and other Whiny Fake Degrees.”?

              $1.5 trillion in debt produces 15% profit from interest per year. That’s $225,000,000,000 in profit for the government, universities, and those trading in debt accounts.

              1.) How do you remove that incentive, and shrink that part of the government, without removing the principal producing $225 billion in profit?

              — One option is to clear the debt.
              —Pro: eliminates the corrupt trade on a government-backed debt cycle
              —Con: if you don’t stop future government-backed loans, you’re actually rewarding the corrupt process

              2.) Once you remove the amount producing profit, how do you prevent the cancer from coming back?

              — legislation: limit the availability of loans, return risk for universities when they admit students and offer loans (return bankruptcy protections so universities have to vett their students for a change); stop using taxpayer money to back them while they hand out loans to everyone

              But without forcing somebody’s hand, say by turning off that $225 billion yearly profit temporarily, how do you get that legislation passed?

              Honestly, it doesn’t matter. Voters don’t understand what the cancer is, how it feeds and grows, or anything else.

              They would recognize they had a crisis if the government was propagandizing 50 million American kids for 12 years of school to become transgenders or marry the same sex, but they don’t think its a problem if their kids are being propagandized to take out government-backed loans for worthless degrees in intersectional feminist boat building.


    • peoplepill says:

      What about all of us that have paid for our own college educations? Canceling debt
      just encourages more debt. If you owe it, pay it. We did….and it wasn’t easy.
      We may have borrowed it from family or served in our military. We may have worked our way through over many years.

      Fix the system. Might even live with lowering the interest due, but we should not
      teach people that they can get out of debt ….or get to stay in our country…without
      doing the ethical and legal thing.


  11. mr.piddles says:

    Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the Russia Derangement Syndrome continues.

    “Russia hacked Ukrainian gas company at center of impeachment inquiry: report”


    Please read, but try not to laugh at the blatantly obvious Pre-Narrative setup for Russiagate 2020. Oh, it’s coming. And it’s going to be BIGGER and BETTER than Russiagate 2016.

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  12. Troublemaker10 says:

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  14. Bendix says:

    “There is no doubt that the operation against Soleimani carried risks, but it didn’t transform Trump into a conventional interventionist. In fact, taking out Soleimani was wholly consistent with the president’s approach to the world, which can’t be plotted on a simple hawk/dove or neo-con/isolationist axis. As a Jacksonian, Trump is none of the above, combining a willingness to whack our enemies with a distaste for ambitious foreign interventions and nation-building enterprises.”

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  15. Reserved55 says:

    New Orleans love President Trump and Melania

    Liked by 3 people

  16. Lucille says:

    Liberal Media Bias: 93% of ABC, CBS and NBC Coverage of President Trump is Negative
    January 13, 2020 By Rich Noyes and Bill D’Agostino

    Such unusual coverage aims to build up the significance of the event in the viewer’s mind — suggesting an historic moment on par with the Kennedy assassination or 9/11, not a futile partisan exercise.



  17. linda4298 says:

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  19. jeans2nd says:

    Fake News, Socialist democrats, and especially FakeNewsNancyPelosi, are harping on Pres Trump’s reasons for killing Whatsits Salami.

    The Iranian people understand and appreciate Pres Trump, but so do 100 Gold Star American families, who filed suit against Iran in federal court on 7 Dec 2018.

    Why did our Gold Star families file suit against Iran?

    “Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia…heard three days of testimony from families, victims and experts, and took into the trial record reams of declassified documents and physical evidence of the EFPs to show Iran’s complicity.”

    And who designed and built those EFPs?

    Whatsits Salami. The guy who Pres Trump had killed.

    Betcha didn’t that, did ya?

    Spose Pres Trump knew when he gave the order to take the shot?

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  20. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  21. Reserved55 says:

    Is Iran Cracking?

    Sounds familiar to Gavel Nooseman’s Commiefornia.

    “Iranians face desperate conditions, if not actual hunger, due to the effect of economic sanctions. Add to this the long-term effects of mismanagement of the country’s scarce water resources. Afshin Shahi wrote recently in the Journal of Asian Affairs: “Approximately 97% of the country is experiencing drought conditions. Due to gross water mismanagement and its damaging impact on the country, Iran faces the worst situation in the water resources of any industrialized nation. Tens of thousands of villages have been deserted and most of the major urban centers have passed their limits to absorb new rural migrants. Some officials predict that in less than 25 years, 50 million Iranians would be displaced from their current homes because of the pressing ecological conditions.”


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  22. Troublemaker10 says:

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  23. Well apparently Lawfare has plenty of company in its efforts to destroy President Trump, this one has kept pretty quiet:


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  24. Troublemaker10 says:

    Rand Paul is right. If they vote to call witnesses, Trump should get the witnesses he wants also. All of them.

    If the Senate Republicans treat this the same way the Dems in the House did (all one sided against Trump)….there will be h3ll to pay.

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  25. Troublemaker10 says:

    Vince Vaughn talking to Trump. Somehow that triggers the left.

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  26. Troublemaker10 says:

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  28. decisiontime16 says:

    Sen. Mitch McConnell on articles of impeachment. Puts Nancy in her place.

    Liked by 1 person

  29. Perot Conservative says:

    PBS FRONTLINE tonight, Part 1. 9 PM.

    Obama – Trump – likely a negative slant.

    A nation divided?


  30. Troublemaker10 says:


  31. Troublemaker10 says:

    Sander’s is on the warpath. Making attacks on both Biden and Warren.


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