Sunday November 25th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. “Song to the tune of German Spa” was published by Henry Livingston, Jr, author of “Night Before Christmas” in the New York Magazine of March, 1791 under the pseudonym “R”. “German Spaw Minuet” is in his music manuscript, but we stopped transcribing the book at p132, and German Spa was at p138. Sigh. So I put this poem to “Cotillion Song.”

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    • amwick says:

      Compare this poem to today’s rap music lyrics…. On second thought, don’t bother.
      We have lost so much..

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      • Shrew’d remarkers often say
        Men were formed to betray;
        Form’d to fascinate the fair,
        Then to plunge them in despair:
        Tyrants of creation made,
        Prone like tyrants to invade!
        Wanting what they can’t enjoy,
        And to love unknowing.

        Feigning rapture when we’re by,
        Willing at our feet to die:
        Vow, the smiles or frowns of fate
        On important females wait.
        If, unversed in their arts,
        We surrender up our hearts;
        Cool, they view the sacrifice,
        And the maid expiring.

        While my heart is yet my own,
        Nor my soft affections flown;
        Ev’ry passion at command —
        Free my heart as free my hand;
        Cool, I’ll hear the tale of love,
        ‘Till convinc’d, I may approve:
        Then I’ll fly to meet my swain,
        Nor disguise my rapture.
        R

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    • nikkichico7 says:

      This is a gorgeous feast for the ears and eyes … oh my how lovely 🙂👍❤️🎶❤️‼️

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  2. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    Suppose

    Suppose it were true that a person once saved could be lost again.

    Suppose such a person, to gain heaven, would then have to be saved all over again.

    But suppose the person in question never did get saved the second time and, departing this life a lost man, went finally to the lake of fire–after having once been “saved?”

    In what sense, then, was he first saved? From what was he saved?

    Was he saved from the penalty of sin? No, for he did not escape the lake of fire.

    Was he saved from the power of sin? No, for he fell back into sin and died a lost man.

    And most assuredly he was not saved from the presence of sin. None this side of heaven have yet been saved from that.

    From what was he saved then? The answer is: Nothing at all.

    He may have thought he was saved. He may have felt saved. He may have acted as though he were saved. His friends may have thought he was saved. But, in the final analysis, he was saved from nothing.

    Salvation, to be anything more than a mere term, must be everlasting. Any person who has been saved has been eternally saved. No one is saved until he is eternally saved. Anyone who dies in a lost condition never was saved at all.

    Does this mean we must wait until after this life is over to find out? No. We may be saved now and know it. This is evident from such passages as 1 Corinthians 1:18, where the Apostle Paul refers to “us which are saved.”

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/suppose/

    1Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    1Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    2Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
    2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    • Amy2 says:

      There are Scriptures that point toward eternal salvation, and that salvation can be lost; hence the many denominations. On the eternal salvation side, we are free to sin if we choose to and still be saved. Paul addressed this in Romans 6. If you can loose your salvation, then we must set up rules that form a hedge between us and sin. Paul addresses this in speaking with the Corinthians and Galatians.

      Since Scripture is right, how do we reconcile these two seeming opposites? Both are true. It is possible to be saved and when swallowed by sin (by choice) get to the point of denying Jesus Christ as Lord. If you are truly saved, God will not allow that to happen. The Holy Spirit will bring condemnation, the Lord will send people into your life, situations to get your attention, etc. If you reject all of these, eventually, He will make it easy and just call you home.

      An example of this is the young man in the Corinthian church. Paul told the congregants to cast him out of the church (for the church’s benefit and his own) “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” I Corinthians 5:5 The body dies, but the spirit is saved. Disclaimer: Don’t try this! Follow the Spirit and you won’t have to test it! That said, later on in Corinthians he young man was restored, God’s wisdom and power on full display.

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “There are Scriptures that point toward eternal salvation”,

        Which is why we have to know what books are for us and what books are for the nation Israel, because the OT saints did not have eternal security.

        “and that salvation can be lost; hence the many denominations.”

        You cannot mix Law and Grace – “hence the many denominations” that mix the two, some more than others. Paul, the “apostle to the gentiles” (not to the nation Israel) lays out for us our doctrine in the dispensation of the grace of God in Romans to Philemon.

        Ephesians 3:1 ¶ For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
        2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
        3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
        4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
        5 Which in other ages WAS NOT MADE KNOWN unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

        Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN,
        26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

        Israel’s program to reconcile the earth (through the Kingdom) was revealed, Paul’s program (the “mystery” to reconcile the heavens) was kept secret until he was saved – they CANNOT be the same.

        Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN:

        Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN.

        1Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

        1Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

        Paul did NOT preach the same message as the other 12 apostles.What he preaches he calls “MY GOSPEL”:

        Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
        8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
        9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

        Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

        2Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

        Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN,

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        • Amy2 says:

          Yes, I’m aware of all that! My favorite book is Hebrews, which brings the old and new testaments together. There are plenty of verses, by Paul himself, that point to being able to lose your salvation (i.e. falling away, etc.). That is why we have so many works oriented churches!

          My point was, if you examine the Scriptures all the verses they can both be true and we have no contradiction. This would be key in witnessing to 1. people who believe they have to earn their salvation (continually) or can fall away 2. people who believe that they can continue in their sin and be saved.

          I believe the Scriptures., all of them, and in context. If God has given us to Jesus, then He will keep us in Jesus, and
          1 Corinthians 5 bears that out in both directions!

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          • Deplorable_Infidel says:

            “favorite book is Hebrews,”

            That is another “transitional” book. Just like the book of Acts (*) describes the fall of Israel in chap 7 and their diminishing (along with the the salvation of Paul and ushering in of the dispensation of grace), the book of Hebrews explains how God resumes his dealing with the nation of Israel after the Lord returns for his church “which is his body” in the air. Hebrews to Revelation is for the believers when the New Testament is in effect for the nation Israel and they have to endure the 70th week of Daniel (**) before entering into the Kingdom.

            (*) Which is actually Luke 2 – Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

            (**) aka the Great Tribulation or the time of Jacob’s trouble in the prophetic scriptures.

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “Since Scripture is right, how do we reconcile these two seeming opposites? Both are true.”

        By applying 2 Timothy 2:15 you can figure out this by applying it to the appropriate time in history:

        Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

        Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

        http://www.ohiograceministries.org/

        Go to “Resource Library” > then> “dispensational chart”

        Understanding The Bible

        “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth” (II Tim. 2:15)….

        …In Eph. 2 the Apostle Paul sets forth the basic three-fold division in God’s dealings with mankind: Time Past (v.11,12), But Now (v.13), and The Ages to Come (v.7). When the Bible is “laid out” according to this divinely inspired design we easily get an overview of not only what we are reading but when and to whom it was written. Thus the Word of God itself provides us with the key to its own proper understanding and right division: See the definitions of each at the bottom of this page…..

        Remember: While all Scripture is for us, all Scripture is not written to or about us. This is the key to understanding the Bible.”

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  3. nimrodman says:

    This guy Masaman on youtube has an interesting series of chapters on anthropology and ethnography and related topics. This one’s on “Old Europeans”

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  4. nimrodman says:

    A little closer to home:

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    • Sepp says:

      Thank you for this. For a short video it covers a lot of historical information and a span of time and geography quite well.

      My family’s hometown was once in New France and then in the Louisiana Purchase.

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  5. Garrison Hall says:

    Have a blessed Sunday, Treepers. In the midst of the current chaos we can be thankful for the solace found on the Treehouse. Thanks to Sundance for providing a virtual space for good thoughts.

    Manual Ponce was a friend and colleague of Andres Segovia. I especially like the meditative sense this piece imparts. Some musical compositions allow us to completely understand what their composers were thinking. I think this is what makes them seem timeless.

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  6. Lucille says:

    Somebody is working for justice at the DOJ…

    DOJ TELLS CITY TO STOP UNFAIR TREATMENT OF CHURCH
    ‘Town gets is exactly backwards: seeking to permit content and viewpoint discrimination’

    The Department of Justice contends a South Carolina town has interpreted the Constitution backwards, unfairly preventing a church group from renting a room in a local civic center.

    https://www.wnd.com/2018/11/doj-tells-city-to-stop-unfair-treatment-of-church/#5BRP33EYyID2MbW1.99

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  7. citizen817 says:

    RARE CONDITIONS FINALLY LINED UP AT MT BAKER FOR ME TO GET A SHOT I’VE BEEN ENVISIONING FOR YEARS @ROSSSVHPHOTO

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  8. Lucille says:

    Put God First – Denzel Washington Motivational & Inspiring Commencement Speech

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    • smiley says:

      he just gets better and better

      …BEST 😀

      dreams without goals are just dreams

      one of the sexiest men alive…for all the right reasons.

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    • nikkichico7 says:

      Lucille this is awesome … thanks for posting. I played this forward to my sister, brother, and both sons who need this the most … God bless you sweetie … you lifted my heart today 🙂❤️

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      • Lucille says:

        Nikkichico, so very glad it was valuable to you and that you passed it on. Washington is the first to admit he’s made mistakes and wasn’t always faithful to his Lord. The key is that he recognizes his sins, repents of them and keeps on moving toward putting God first.

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  9. Citizen 817 says:

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  10. smiley says:

    regarding mass migration

    Media Refuses To Report On This Dangerous UN Pact

    http://www.independentsentinel.com/media-refuses-to-report-on-this-dangerous-un-pact/

    Nov 23, 2018

    known as the UN’s Global and Mass Migration Pact

    “…is binding in the sense that they weaponize political and moral norms. Anyone making a claim based on the Pact can take the case to court.”

    2 videos at the link.

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  11. smiley says:

    SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT ~ MIGRATION AND DISPLACEMENT

    http://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/home/sustainable-development/economic-recovery/migration-and-displacement.html

    the UN…their words…their focus.

    coincidentally…each of those is underway in California..and at its southern border… at the same time !

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  12. Dora says:

    Childe Hassam – ‘On the Brittany Coast’ 1889

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  13. getfitnow says:

    FTA – NINE YEARS. That’s how long a it took a California agency to create a fire zone map. Seven of those years were under the governorship of Jerry Brown. The fire map was to be a tool for agencies to monitor and manage areas most prone to fires started by utility companies/power lines. In short, it would require those utility companies to clear out dangerously dry vegetation, the very practice President Trump said should he been done to prevent the very kinds of disastrous fires that swept across California taking lives and property. The media lambasted the president for his remarks. As is often the case, the media was wrong and President Trump was 100% right.

    http://dcwhispers.com/how-governor-jerry-brown-burned-california-and-why-president-trump-was-100-right/#AoJsqMukhuzhB6W6.97

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    • Franklin says:

      Not being a Californian the news media has done a real disservice to our understanding of the fires. One should explore this website to understand one of California’s unique wilderness areas and the affect fire has on it

      http://www.californiachaparral.org/about.html

      “Of all the distinct, natural communities in California, only one is found throughout and only one can be said to represent the state’s most characteristic wilderness: chaparral, a special plant community characterized by drought-hardy, woody shrubs, shaped by a Mediterranean-type climate (summer drought, winter rain), and threatened by too many fires. It is within the chaparral where California will find its best and perhaps last chance to reclaim its wildness and preserve the quality of life made possible by the region’s natural, open spaces.”

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  14. smiley says:

    Shy Boy

    Digital Art

    by Portrait Photographer, Richard Ramsey ~ American (Tennessee) ~ Contemporary

    he uses Painter to transform just about any type of photograph into digital artwork with a painterly look to it.

    here’s another one…

    he’s pretty good with the little kidlins 🙂 ❤

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  15. getfitnow says:

    A comprehensive look back at the year of the grisly election – 1968.

    FTA – There may have been worse years in world history—1939 comes to mind—but for sheer gloom and despair with few beams of sunshine, 1968 will do very well. Short of the fact that war didn’t break out, just about nothing good happened in politics that year. Every hope at the start was crushed or died later. Every good reputation was diminished, save for those of the men who failed to leave the year alive: Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy lived on in legend, whereas everyone else in politics that year was disgraced or greatly damaged, either then, or, like the winner of the 1968 presidential election, Richard M. Nixon, later.

    The fact remains that in 1968 not Nixon or Humphrey or anyone else left alive at the end had the character, strength, or competence to give the country the guidance and leadership it so badly needed. The worst campaign ever, it was also the longest: It was not until Gerald R. Ford took the oath of office on August 9, 1974, that the long, tortured election of 1968 finally came to its end.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/noemie-emery/1968-year-of-the-grisly-election

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    • andeclain says:

      Getfitnow, earlier this year I was giving a reflection in church on my memories of 1968 and I had grim memories for every month, from Tet, via the assassinations, the May riots in France, the election riots, Russia in Czechoslovakia, Northern Ireland, until I got to December and the Apollo 8 mission and the astronauts reading from Genesis while orbiting the Moon. That was the highlight of the year for me, and it fitted in with that day’s Gospel reading about preaching the Good News to all nations.

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      • Patrick healy says:

        Very profound Andeclain.
        This morning at Mass, among many parts of the testament readings which penetrated my imprenatible skull was the following
        “Yes I am a king, I was born for this. I came into the world for this: to bear witness to the truth; and all who are on the side of truth listen to my voice”
        I realise us Catholics should be careful of being too fundamentalist, but that last part of John 18:33 – 37 really struck a chord.
        Somehow the fake news media came to mind.
        Please remember that us over here in the UK gulag are pinning our hopes on your President to put this crazy world back on an even keel.
        God bless America.

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  16. getfitnow says:

    FTA – In the last decade, every single House Democrat sent to prison for financial crimes was a Congressional Black Caucus member. In the last twenty years, it’s been over 80%. After the midterms, the CBC has grown past a record 50 members. But that doesn’t mean it’s getting better. Power makes it worse.

    The freshman class of the CBC brings in more political radicalism, but that’s not unusual in a caucus that includes Rep. Barbara Lee and Rep. Maxine Waters. Radicalism is a mask that CBC corruption often wears. And the two have come to comfortably coexist in the corrupt arrangements of a caucus that acts as the mercenaries for the Democrat establishment and any corporation willing to pay the bills.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272026/new-crooked-congressional-black-caucus-daniel-greenfield

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  17. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
    John 6:35 (KJV)

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  18. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  19. Good Morning Treepers..
    (feeling a lil better this Morning with Prayers)..

    May I present to you some inspiring reading this Morning?
    Something to Honestly think about..
    I’ll post the Whole story, so you don’t have too give Fox the “click”…

    *Did a mysterious extinction event precede Adam and Eve?*

    In one of the most provocative and misunderstood studies of the year, scientists in the U.S. and Switzerland have made an astonishing discovery: All humans alive today are the offspring of a common father and mother – an Adam and Eve – who walked the planet 100,000 to 200,000 years ago, which by evolutionary standards is like yesterday. Moreover, the same is true of nine out of every 10 animal species, meaning that nearly all of Earth’s creatures living today sprang into being recently from some seminal, Big Bang-like event.

    Mark Stoeckle at Rockefeller University and David Thaler at the University of Basel reached this striking conclusion after analyzing the DNA “bar codes” of five million animals from 100,000 different species. The bar codes are snippets of DNA that reside outside the nuclei of living cells – so-called mitochondrial DNA, which mothers pass down from generation to generation.
    With each reproduction, errors creep into the bar code, as they do when you repeatedly photocopy a document. By measuring the accumulated errors – the blurriness or “diversity” among the bar codes – scientists are able to infer the passage of time.

    That’s how Stoeckle and Thaler concluded that ninety percent of all animal species alive today come from parents that all began giving birth at roughly the same time, less than a quarter-million years ago. “This conclusion is very surprising,” Thaler avers, “and I fought against it as hard as I could.”
    What caused animal life on Earth to be almost completely renewed such a short time ago? For now, it remains a mystery.
    It’s possible something far more powerful than H-bombs decimated life and only a single set of parents for each species survived to live and procreate another day. But the last major extinction event we know about – the one that snuffed out the mighty dinosaurs – happened a full 65 million years ago.
    It’s also possible there is something in nature that limits the size of an animal population. Perhaps it’s some built-in evolutionary process that when a population gets too big, it crashes and must restart itself from scratch.

    In their report, published in Human Evolution, Stoeckle and Thaler offer other possible explanations, including, Thaler explains, “ice ages and other forms of environmental change, infections, predation, competition from other species and for limited resources, and interactions among these forces.” Whatever the explanation, he adds, the takeaway is this: “all of animal life experiences pulses of growth and stasis or near extinction on similar time scales.”
    That is, humans, elephants, birds, you name it – Earth’s creatures tend to stand and fall in unison, like the rising and falling of the tides. And even though we don’t know what Svengali is directing the show, we now have scientific evidence that it wipes the slate clean far more frequently than we ever imagined.

    Many religious commentators misunderstand this study to mean that species abruptly came into being only recently. To be clear: according to evolutionary biologists, species developed gradually over many millions of years. Stoeckle and Thaler’s discovery is that something happened roughly 100,000 years ago that created entirely new populations from long-existing species.

    That said, Stoeckle and Thaler’s study does line up with the Bible in at least two notable ways. First, it affirms that we and our fellow creatures on Earth arose from a recent and profound creation event, orchestrated by some unknown mechanism. And second, the DNA bar codes reveal that species are quantized. Instead of there being a continuum of animal varieties, as one might expect from millions of years of gradual evolution, creatures fall into very distinct, widely separated populations – what the Bible describes as “kinds,” from the Hebrew word min.

    “Darwin struggled to understand the absence of intermediates and his questions remain fruitful [to this day],” says Thaler. What the new study discovered, he explains, is that “If individuals are stars, then species are galaxies. They are compact clusters in the vastness of empty sequence space.”
    Above all, Stoeckle and Thaler’s intriguing study serves up hard evidence for the astonishing fragility of life and a humbling lesson for the high-and-mighty among us. It proves we are at the mercy of forces we do not see nor understand; forces that made our existence possible a few hundred thousand years ago and that just as quickly – in the twinkling of an eye – can and will one day take us out.
    Link to the Report..
    https://phe.rockefeller.edu/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/FINAL-Human-Evolution-PHE-news-release-spring-2018-002.pdf
    full story @ link..
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/did-a-mysterious-extinction-event-precede-adam-and-eve

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    • A Truly INSPIRING thoughtful report..
      I find this final paragraph, Well, very thoughtful..
      “Above all, Stoeckle and Thaler’s intriguing study serves up hard evidence for the astonishing fragility of life and a humbling lesson for the high-and-mighty among us. It proves we are at the mercy of forces we do not see nor understand; forces that made our existence possible a few hundred thousand years ago and that just as quickly – in the twinkling of an eye – can and will one day take us out.”

      God Bless everyone this Morning, on this Sunday..

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      It is nice to hear they still are investigating this idea.

      I heard of this same theory almost ten years ago. The article guessed that events had winnowed the human population down to – a guess – around 100,000 people, and that they were centered around the Central African Rift Valley.

      I thought to myself, “well, at least they are getting closer to the real story.”

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      • I find this paragraph to be “enlightening” to say the least..
        A extinction event.. You mean something like a “Great Flood”?? 😉

        “That said, Stoeckle and Thaler’s study does line up with the Bible in at least two notable ways. First, it affirms that we and our fellow creatures on Earth arose from a recent and profound creation event, orchestrated by some unknown mechanism. And second, the DNA bar codes reveal that species are quantized. Instead of there being a continuum of animal varieties, as one might expect from millions of years of gradual evolution, creatures fall into very distinct, widely separated populations – what the Bible describes as “kinds,” from the Hebrew word min.”

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        • GGHD says:

          crossthread42, you might be right, about how a Great Flood event could be the reason for the DNA records [ and Also, a cataclysmic flood would >help explain geology and the fossil records.]

          Wikipedia has an article called ~Mitochondrial Eve~. = >Easy to read and easy to access. [The article about ‘Eve’ is NOT NOT NOT written from a religious perspective; but almost from an anti-Biblical outlook.] The article is worth a read, because it may line-up with Genesis in the Bible.

          There’s also another article at Wikipedia called ~List of flood myths~. = “Flood myths are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Age and Neolithic prehistory. These accounts depict a flood, sometimes global in scale, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution.” The idea of a big flood on the Earth is common to a lot of cultures around the world.

          I belong to a Church, that teaches God did NOT NOT NOT write the Bible as a science book. The Bible was written to express spiritual truths about Salvation. The Bible can be summed up into ONE Word. = Jesus.

          With that being said, the Church teaches, that as Science develops, the truths found in the Bible will be affirmed. Through Scientific Discovery, the information contained in the Bible is being affirmed.
          People use to be taught a ‘Darwinian’ concept of evolution that took place over millions and millions of years. … Now Days, Science teaches a ‘Cataclysmic’ change causes evolution. The ‘fossil record’ use to make sense to the scientists. Now the collection of fossilized remains is literally overwhelming old ideas. The scientists don’t even bother digging up fossils unless it’s a spectacular creature.

          Moral: ‘In God we Trust!’ = Our politicians figured that one out. [Even a blind pig can find an acorn, now and then] ~ Praise God! and God Bless America!

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  20. Dora says:

    A two hanky story.

    ======

    Larry Peterson tells here the story of his own ancestors, passed down through the generations.
    https://aleteia.org/2018/11/22/a-real-life-miracle-at-the-macys-thanksgiving-day-parade/

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  21. duchess01 says:

    SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2018
    The ONLY Thing That Can Wash Away The Sins of The World

    https://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/08/blood-of-lamb.html

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  22. Countrywatch says:

    This videoclip of a terminally ill chimpanzee being visited by a former carer is very moving:

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  23. nikkichico7 says:

    Obstacles to Obedience
    NOVEMBER 25, 2018
    2 Kings 5:11-17

    Obedience is a powerful action that can unleash God’s glory in ways beyond our imagination. Yet obeying is often difficult because our desires are being put to the test. Sometimes we’re afraid that by doing what the Lord says, we’ll end up losing what’s important to us. But choosing not to obey may actually cost us the very thing we desire most.

    In yesterday’s reading, three obstacles initially kept Naaman from following God’s instructions—and almost prevented his miraculous healing.

    1. Pride. As a high-ranking official, Naaman feared obeying would cost him his dignity. Conversely, his servants had the wisdom to see pride was robbing him of life. How often do we balk at doing what God says, for fear of looking foolish?

    2. Self-centered expectations. Naaman was furious when his very specific expectations weren’t met. We, too, often get angry at the Lord when He doesn’t comply with our demands. But if we really want His perfect will, we absolutely must “let” Him do things His way.

    3. Unbelief. Because Naaman’s faith extended only to his own vision of how he’d be healed, he initially didn’t see how obeying would cure his leprosy. It took the faith of his servants to help him see the truth: that obedience was key to unlocking God’s answer to his greatest need.

    The call to obey often uncovers strongholds from which the Lord wants to free us. When we choose to respond in faith, He reveals Himself to us in a new way that strengthens our trust in Him—because ultimately, our greatest need is to know Him better.

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  24. andyocoregon says:

    Whose bright idea was this? If you don’t sign up for it, crooks may do it and steal your packages.

    https://katu.com/news/nation-world/sign-up-your-address-for-usps-informed-delivery-before-scammers-do

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    • Janie M. says:

      andy, my son did this last year after our police caught a group of teens stealing pkgs. off of porches around the Christmas holiday.

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      • andyocoregon says:

        Great, but how many people won’t hear about the program and won’t sign up, then some crook signs up their address with his email?

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        • Janie M. says:

          It is a bit of a project to sign up, I did but then toward the end when they provided the lists of addresses you had to check off where you had previously resided (none of which applied, BTW), I hit a snag and have to go to the P.O. to straighten that out. Those crooks would have to figure out your prior residences… don’t think they can pull it off.

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  25. Dora says:

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  26. Dora says:

    Trump to host singing nuns at White House Christmas tree ceremony

    WASHINGTON, D.C., November 23, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A group of Catholic sisters will be singing at this year’s National Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony at the White House.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-to-host-singing-nuns-at-white-house-christmas-tree-ceremony

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  27. Sherri Young says:

    How to lose control of the House 101 –>>>> Do not even try to win

    Here are the candidates who were unopposed in this election. Some of them are pretty ridiculous.

    – Terri Sewell, Alabama, Dimm
    – Val Demings, Florida, Dimm
    – Kathy Castor, Florida, Dimm
    – Alcee Hastings, Florida, Dimm
    – Lois Frankel, Florida, Dimm
    – Frederica Wilson, Florida, Dimm (the cowboy hat lady)
    – John Lewis, Georgia, Dimm
    – Austin Scott, Georgia, R
    – Richard Neal, Massachusetts, Dimm
    – Joseph Kennedy, Massachusetts, Dimm
    – Ayanna Pressley, Massachusetts, Dimm
    – Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts, Dimm
    – Gregory Meeks, New York, Dimm
    – Eliot Engel, New York, Dimm
    – Walter Jones, North Carolina, R
    – Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania, Dimm
    – Bobby Scott, Virginia, Dimm

    Had no Republican opponent. Because of the jungle primary system in California, there may have been a GOP candidate who was eliminated before the general election.
    – Ruben Gallego, Arizona, Dimm
    – Mike Thompson, California, Dimm, Independent opponent
    – Doris Matsui, California, Dimm, Dimm opponent
    – Barbara Lee, California, Dimm, Green Party opponent
    – Jimmy Panetta, California, Dimm,, Independent opponent
    – Judy Chu, California, Dimm, Dimm opponent
    – Jimmy Gomez, California, Dimm, Green Party opponent
    – Lucille Roybal-Allard, California, Dimm, Green Party opponent
    – Nanette Barragan, California, Dimm, Dimm opponent
    – Cedric Richmond, Louisiana, Dimm
    – Rashida Tlaib, Michigan, Dimm
    – Bennie Thompson, Mississippi, Dimm
    – Nydia Velazquez, New York, Dimm
    – Hakeem Jeffries, New York, Dimm
    – Grace Meng, New York, Dimm
    – Nita Lowey, New York, Dimm
    – Al Green, Texas, Dimm (Mr. Impeach Trump)
    – Joaquin Castro, Texas, Dimm
    – Henry Cuellar, Texas, Dimm
    – Eddie Bernice Johnson, Texas, Dimm
    – Rick Larsen, Washington, Dimm
    – Adam Smith, Washington, Dimm, Dimm opponent

    Except for two, every other single race for a House seat had a Dimm candidate.

    Fifteen House races were won by unopposed Dimms.

    Twenty-two House races were won by Dimms who did not face Republican opponents in the general election. Some were in states with jungle primaries where Dimms ran against Dimms in the general. The Republicans may have been eliminated in the primaries or there may not have been a Republican candidate at all. If I got my list right, there were 37 House races for which there was no Republican candidate on the ballot in November. Of course the GOP lost control of the House.

    Strong work, Ronna./sarc

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    • Piggy says:

      Good post. Yes, Ronna is awful and part of the large political problem.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “How to lose control of the House 101 –>>>> Do not even try to win”

      Of races where there was a “token” (R) candidate opposing an incumbent, how much support did they receive? My friend Renee Zeno ran against Brian Higgins (D-NY) here in Buffalo.
      She got nothing or practically nothing for a campaign by the state or national republicans. which begs the question, “WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SPENDING MONEY ON”???

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      • Sherri Young says:

        Just looking at the numbers on Politico, we can see that your friend Renee Zeno, a Republican in a “safely Democrat” district, was able to pull in 26.9% of the votes even without appreciable help from the GOP on the state or national level. That is good information and a base upon which to build.

        Districts like this require some “chipping away” over the course of several election cycles, especially when facing an incumbent. All the same, a campaign that provided the means for airing better philosophy and contrasts approaches to government is a win on its own level. Putting herself out there to prepare that ground and plant some seeds was a fine contribution to society.

        Please thank your friend for me and encourage her not to give up.

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  28. Janie M. says:

    Absolutely gorgeous intricate needlework! For many years ( had to stop when I developed “senior” eyes), I had enjoyed doing embroidery and counted cross-stitch projects and can appreciate the workmanship of this piece.

    Dragon Scroll, Artist: Unknown (Japanese) Art Movement: Japanese Meiji (1868-1912) – Japan, Materials/Techniques: Silk and silver thread embroidery

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    • Prettyplease says:

      Wow

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      • Janie M. says:

        Pretty, found an interesting article discussing “artwork” designated for the emperor. You will see this dragon has 3 talons per foot, the emperor’s would always have 5. He was the only one given this preference.

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        • Prettyplease says:

          Sooo cool!

          Like Only the emperor could wear the golden color.

          China was one of the first countries to make pencils. When they exported them, they deliberately painted the outside the golden color so that people would know that it was the superior quality pencil, not the cheap imitations.

          I have several pieces of Chinese embroidery that I cherish. None as spectacular as the above. One piece was purported to be part of an embroidered sleeve of a high-ranking court official. I have a no provenance for that.

          Merry Christmas 🎄

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          • Janie M. says:

            Interesting info about the pencils, Pretty. That is probably why our regular lead pencils have always been yellow (and I am going back to the 50’s). I envy you for having Chinese embroidery, always exquisite. For decades, I have wanted a woman’s Japanese silk kimono and obi. To me, they qualify as works of art. They have special wooden display stands for them.

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  29. Dora says:

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  30. Prettyplease says:

    The Romaine empire has fallen.
    Caesar is dead.
    Lettuce pray.

    This was on a caterer’s website. Thought it was cute as all get out.
    Happy holidays!😻
    Celebrate the season for the right reason.

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  31. Kurt72 says:

    If you like economics, check out this hilarious video sent to me by my Grad level Economics professor.

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  32. Sepp says:

    Hopefully this video will upload.

    The video has two separate voices with text on the screen to match. One woman says a part of the Lord’s Prayer in Greek followed by another woman stating it in English until the prayer is completed.

    The YT poster/user is erimitis2100 in case the item does not show up because I made an error.

    I looked at several other videos on YT that feature the Lord’s Prayer in Greek and English. Many were poorly produced with very incorrect Greek pronunciation. Or the videos contained distracting images or background music.

    Of course, hearing it while standing in church on the Lord’s day is better than watching video.

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    • Janie M. says:

      Sepp, when I was a young child, 5 or 6, we had a older family friend (Joe) who took me to a couple of his church’s (Greek Orthodox, maybe?) services. What I will always remember is there was a framed portrait (covered with glass and lying flat) of Jesus’s head embedded onto the top of a waist-high pedestal, congregants would enter the church, lean over and kiss the picture. I didn’t find this practice peculiar but didn’t understand why they observed this ritual since I wasn’t of their faith.

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      • Sepp says:

        Hi Janie. Thanks for sharing that memory. The Icons in Orthodox Christian Churches are kissed or venerated because the people are showing love and respect to the One – Jesus Christ – depicted thereon. The Icons

        There is an excellent video on YT that features an interview with an iconographer who describes the topic better than I can.

        I can try to link it or upload it tomorrow.

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  33. Sherri Young says:

    Here is the FBI/DOJ’s handy dandy key to the codes for redactions/exemptions. It was in a 20-page document. I did not want to ask anyone to sort through the pages, so here is the pertinent page.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/JW-v-DOJ-Strzok-Page-travel-00154.pdf#page=3&zoom=auto,-73,343

    EXPLANATION OF EXEMPTIONS
    SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552
    (b)(1)
    (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified to such Executive order;
    (b)(2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency;
    (b)(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld;
    (b)(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;
    (b)(5) inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency;
    (b)(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
    (b)(7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information ( A ) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, ( B ) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, ( C ) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, ( D ) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, ( E) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or ( F ) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual;
    (b)(8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or
    (b)(9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells.

    SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552a
    (d)(5) information compiled in reasonable anticipation of a civil action proceeding;
    (j)(2) material reporting investigative efforts pertaining to the enforcement of criminal law including efforts to prevent, control, or reduce crime or apprehend criminals;
    (k)(1) information which is currently and properly classified pursuant to an Executive order in
    the interest of the national defense or foreign policy, for example, information involving intelligence sources or methods;
    (k)(2) investigatory material compiled for law enforcement purposes, other than criminal, which did not result in loss of a right, benefit or privilege under Federal programs, or which would identify a source who furnished information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence;
    (k)(3) material maintained in connection with providing protective services to the President of the United States or any other individual pursuant to the authority of Title 18, United States Code, Section 3056;
    (k)(4) required by statute to be maintained and used solely as statistical records;
    (k)(5) investigatory material compiled solely for the purpose of determining suitability, eligibility, or qualifications for Federal civilian employment or for access to classified information, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person who furnished information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence;
    (k)(6) testing or examination material used to determine individual qualifications for appointment or promotion in Federal Government service he release of which would compromise the testing or examination process;
    (k)(7) material used to determine potential for promotion in the armed services, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person who furnished the material pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence.

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  34. Sepp says:

    “Extremist Shoppers wreak violence on Black Friday as retailers usher in start of holiday shopping season”

    This article takes a look at “consumers” and makes an interesting comparison with muslims. Well worth the read.

    https://facingislam.blogspot.com/2013/11/extremist-shoppers-wreak-violence-on.html

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  35. Dora says:

    And besides everything else going on . . . here comes a blizzard!

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  36. andyocoregon says:

    This is why so many people in northern Cali died in the fires.

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  37. andyocoregon says:

    An incredible firsthand account of survival during the Camp Fire in northern Cali….

    “When we were told to evacuate my ex had the car and was out of town. I have a 3 year old and a 4 year old daughter and they both require child safety seats.. Our house was located on Pentz road which at that time was a evacuation route that only takes about 12 minutes to get you down the mountain to safety. I stood on Pentz with my two daughters and attempted to hitch hike a ride and watched in horror and disbelief as cars refused to stop for 15 seconds and pick us up as they drove to safety. Most of the vehicles only had one driver and no occupants and plenty of room. Finally a woman was on my street checking on her friend saw what was happening and immediately picked us up but a minute before they closed down Pentz as an evacuation route. They instead re-routed us on a road which quickly turned out to be a death trap. Total suicide in a more dense forrest. The road was very narrow and the heart or eye of the fire was headed right at it stronger than ever. People were directed down Pearson road only to find it was a parking lot that wasn’t moving surrounded by fire and smoke so thick and dark you could not see the sun. It was like midnight with no moon or stars shining. People behind us blocked anyone from backing up.. People panicked and some got out of their cars and attempted to make a run for it. Many didn’t make it very far because of the high heat and smoke inhalation and their clothes were catching on fire. Those abandoned cars effectively blocked the road and people just 50 feet behind them had no idea and were sitting ducks.
    The woman that picked us up saved our lives. None of us should be here right now. We were totally engulfed in flames and both the woman and I were on our cell phones saying goodbye to people. It was about 150 degrees in the cab and my kids were screaming. I covered them with my jacket and knew it would be all over in less than a minute. By the grace of god the car in front of us moved forward about 30 feet and we quickly moved forward enough to get out of the fireball. I got out to make sure our truck was not on fire. On the left side I saw about a dozen bodies. Some holding their pets. The problem is my 4 year old daughter witnessed exactly what I saw. We are alive but my daughter is having some terrible nightmares. I have had a child psychologist keeping close tabs on her. When I get the time I will seek help myself. I have never experienced anything so horrible in my entire life. It has had a very profound effect on my life. Losing my home and everything I owned seems so minuscule. I am more than grateful we survived. There was no traffic control, cops, firemen or anything on that road. We were just herded into a huge ceramics kiln to fend for ourselves and most everyone there was not thinking straight at all. Just reacting to the heat, lack of air and their clothes catching on fire. I cannot speak for the rest of Paradise but I can say what I saw where I was at early that morning on Pearson road. I kept wondering where the huge air tankers were. I felt a moment of relief when I heard what sounded like a huge jet somewhere above us so I got out again to look and quickly discovered the sound I was hearing was the fire on steroids.”

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  38. Dora says:

    “IT MAKES SENSE NOW”: JOE SCARBOROUGH AND MIKA BRZEZINSKI TIE THE KNOT IN A SECRET WASHINGTON D.C. CEREMONY

    The Morning Joe co-hosts made it official during an intimate Saturday ceremony at the National Archives, in front of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, officiated by Rep. Elijah Cummings.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-wedding

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  39. Blue Ridge Mts Va says:

    Who has seen this White House Petition that asks that Infowars Alex Jones be seated right next to crybaby Acosta? Give crybaby Acosta a pass, but have Alex Jones sit beside of him. LOL
    The article about this was in the WashTimes. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/24/petitioners-want-jim-acosta-and-alex-jones-seated-/

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/give-alex-jones-press-credentials-and-sit-him-next-jim-acosta

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  40. Lucille says:

    Friend of Boston Marathon jihad murderer Tamerlan Tsarnaev testifies he “committed jihad” in 2011, murdering three
    November 25, 2018 11:40 AM By Robert Spencer

    He “committed jihad” by murdering three people? Oh, the “Islamophobia”! Surely Ibrahim Hooper and Pope Francis are on their way to Kazakhstan now in order to have a word with Dias Kadyrbayev, so that they can explain to him that jihad involves going to the gym and blowing milk bubbles through a straw, and has nothing whatsoever to do with violence.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/11/friend-of-boston-marathon-jihad-murderer-tamerlan-tsarnaev-testifies-he-committed-jihad-in-2011-murdering-three

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  41. andeclain says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  42. andeclain says:

    Prayer for Justice Kavanaugh:

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/kavanaugh-v.-ford
    “After watching her husband rip into pro-death senators who used Dr. Christine Blasey Ford in attempts to derail the appointment of her husband to the U.S. Supreme Court, Ashley is asking all people of faith to unite in praying Psalm 40, which reads:”

    “BE PLEASED, O LORD, TO DELIVER ME, LOOK DOWN, O LORD TO HELP ME. LET THEM BE CONFOUNDED AND ASHAMED TOGETHER, THAT SEEK AFTER MY SOUL TO TAKE IT AWAY. LET THEM BE TURNED BACKWARD AND BE ASHAMED THAT DESIRE EVILS TO ME.”

    In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen

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  43. andeclain says:

    I’m praying that Mom is okay. She didn’t say anything about not posting tonight.

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  44. What are good American or European history podcasts worth checking out?

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