Tuesday March 20th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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267 Responses to Tuesday March 20th – Open Thread

  1. Pat Frederick says:

    is it just me or have the other threads become noticeably more combatant in the last week?
    As was predicted by many last month, the closer to the approaching storm we come, the more trolls appear to sow discord and create doubt.
    I thought McCabe’s firing would lighten things up considerably…I am happy…confident that things are moving in the right direction and patiently waiting for the rest to fall, but many are still pouting and stomping their feet—it isn’t enough!

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    • Yep – far too many negative, troll-like posts. Getting really tired of it, personally.

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      • Pat Frederick says:

        I admit I haven’t been a Treeper for as long as many here, but there was a different atmosphere when I first posted a few months ago…
        you were able to express an opinion without being challenged to defend yourself. And you’re so right Nebraska–so much negativity now!

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        • CTH fame is spreading and that attracts unwelcome attention.

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          • Spencer Brown says:

            Yes, as someone who frequents T_D, that si what is happening, Share Blue and CTR cucks that work for David Brock and George Soros are doing it. It’s all about divide and conquer. Now that Trump actually had a very successful first year, that is turning into a successful 2nd year (further reg cuts, continued Exec Branch overhaul, possible rollback of Dodd Frank, higher military spending) they have to hit him with everything they have – enter pornstars, wife beaters, and facebook sharing its data with everyone… it is all a distraction. Just look at the Stormy Daniels joke – who blew up that story? Wall Street Journal – who own WSJ? Rupert Murdoch… who is VERY close friends with Rupert Murdoch? Donald Trump… and has been for over 20 years.


          • amwick says:

            Social media in general and some websites are basically like the wild west.. No rules, let alone basic civility. CTH has great people in the background, I know it must be getting harder and harder.

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          • 17CatsInTN says:

            I mentioned in another post, on the presidential thread I think, that I got into it over at TGP on the daily bash Sessions thread. I was amazed at the vitriol that was poured on Sundance. At a supposedly conservative site.

            It just makes me so sad how far we have fallen from a relatively polite society that could engage in spirited, yet respectful, disagreements and remain friends once the debate ended in the days of my youth and young adulthood. Not any more. You cannot voice an opinion now without some one torpedoing you personally. Heck, you can barely find anyone that responds with actual facts and cogent arguments.

            That’s why I so love my little twig here. The regulars, even in disagreement, remain friends and supporters of each other.

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        • Kenji says:

          I’m a newbie too (love most all you folks in here! … my peeps!). But I have no problem defending my statements and beliefs … because I actually BELIEVE the Leftist bumper sticker “Question Authority”. And, my oh my, don’t the Leftists in POWER just HATE being questioned and challenged. I can’t expect anything less in response. It’s just that the conservative argument almost ALWAYS makes more sense, and logic.

          However, I don’t like being distracted by grandiose conspiracy theories that require massive suspensions of disbelief … I seem to read quite a few of those in here.

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      Quite a few newbies who do what unfortunately many people do–comment without reading much, if any of the massive, wonderful work-up SD and other long-time treepers have given the issues at issue. Mildly irritating, but easy to ignore. If someone is really out of hand, send up a flag for the management (SD, adrem) for a clean-up on aisle whatev. All, in all, CTH is still the best and most under-estimated news and analysis source on the innertubes! Gonna be a lot of fun watching the things SD has presaged coming to fruition in coming months.

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  2. patrickhenrycensored says:

    Officer who fatally shot Justine Damond turns himself in; charges pending

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  3. Mark McQueen says:

    Maryland school shooter stopped by school resource officer….


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  4. I think we all need another good laugh – feel free to share!

    “My wife and I were married for 50 years.

    One day, I took a careful look at her and said, “Fifty years ago we had a cheap house, a junk car, slept on a sofa bed and watched a 10-inch black-and-white TV, but I got to sleep with a hot 23-year-old girl every night.

    “Now, I have a $500,000 home, a $45,000 car, a nice big bed and a large-screen TV, but I’m sleeping with a 69-year-old woman. It seems to me that you’re not holding up your side of things.”

    My wife is a very reasonable woman. She told me to go out and find a hot 23-year-old girl and she would make sure that I would once again be living in a cheap house, driving a junk car, sleeping on a sofa bed and watching a 10-inch black-and-white TV.

    Aren’t older women great? They really know how to solve an old guy’s problems.”

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    • It’s not a joke but true! Sounds like my story! It was our lives then! Hubby and I had nothing at 23 but each other and enjoyed each other. We both were hot! 40 yrs later we have everything but life is different.. Still we love each other. but it’s different! Can’t explain!

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  5. gda says:


    I visited NZ last year – best trip ever! Glad I went before O’bumf**k defiled the place.

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    • Tegan says:

      Hiked from one tip to the other in NZ several years ago…always said if I had to relocate anywhere else in the world…it would be there.

      Liked by 1 person

      • olderwiser21 says:

        Tegan, except for the fact that New Zealand has very strict immigration laws and WON’T LET JUST ANYONE IN! My nephew said the same thing after his visit a few years back and said it is almost impossible to get into the country as a permanent immigrant. SMART!


  6. Dora says:


    Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on crisis pregnancy centers and who’s leading the charge against them:



  7. Lucille says:

    God’s Big Ten For Kids

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  8. Newhere says:

    So this isn’t a new question, but it increasingly bothers me, wondering if others have thoughts or theories.

    What gives with Rod Rosenstein? Setting aside whether he’s a “black hat” or a “white hat” or neither or perhaps inclinations toward both — isn’t is a simple fact that he’s conflicted on the special counsel’s “Russian meddling investigation,” should have recused himself from the beginning and never should have been tolerated as the one to call the shots all this time?

    First — the whole premise for appointing a special counsel was the Comey firing — an event for which Rosenstein unquestionably is a witness. The popular new MSM taunt is that “McCabe is a Mueller witness” w/r/t to Comey’s firing, ostensibly both b/c he was #2 when it happened and then became acting director afterward (seems like his relevance is a stretch — but of course the swamp grabs hold). But the point here is that you can’t tout McCabe’s importance as a witness and deny Rosenstein’s. *Obviously* Rosenstein was an integral player in the firing event, having penned the termination memo, and if pressed AT ALL there would be no way to defend his neutrality here, especially alongside the assumption that McCabe would be a “witness” (and that’s not even getting into the issue of all the “coincidences” of Rosentein’s connections to Obama-era misconduct . .. )

    Second — if the blatant conflict weren’t enough, Rosenstein’s handling of the special counsel matter should raise flags on his judgment and neutrality. He appoints a consummate insider with active ties to all the players who are rightfully under active investigation or suspicion; he applies a wide, open-ended mandate that is anything but “boilerplate” but in fact facially inconsistent with the statutory language designed to limit the reach of a special counsel; and then he provides apparently limitless access to resources (costs unknown) and approves an ever-expanding scope, far beyond the matter supposedly requiring a “special counsel” in the first place, with no explanation as he apparently stands idly by . . .

    Meanwhile all of the DC swamp continues steadfastly ignoring all of this and treating Mueller’s hit squad as the last best hope to save democracy from “meddling” and, implicitly, from the constitutionally elected president. All of this lunacy comes down to Rosenstein.

    Somehow a swamp-connected Trump appointee who *actually is conflicted* is allowed to drive an unfettered, supra-constitutional arm of “law enforcement” acting beyond or outside any constitutional checks, balance or oversight.

    Why hasn’t DOJ’s exalted office of OPR/Office of ethics seen fit to address Rosenstein’s ACTUAL conflict, given how “conscientious” it was about Sessions? Why aren’t any of the white hats pressing this? The Mueller investigation is the last veil of cover for the criminally-implicated political class. Bringing the special counsel to heel won’t stop the cover-up operation, but it would substantially disrupt it, and would seem to be a far better step toward clarity than just throwing yet another special counsel into the mix, as the critical few seem to be focused on.

    Why has this been allowed to continue?? What do you think would happen if a truly neutral DOJ official were to take the reigns from Rosenstein and look at the whole picture objectively . . . think we might just see some discipline imposed? At this point, there really isn’t any rational basis for allowing the expanded special counsel “investigation” to continue . . .especially given that its legitimacy and credibility are demonstrably and fatally flawed. How do you justify an investigation whose grounds, methods, and investigators are so fraught and tainted as to have become a poison pill for any prosecution that might actually result from the effort? You can’t.

    Would understand if it were a matter of political infeasibility. But the DOJ ethics office has a clear, compelling basis to make the right call — one that would be consistent with, and in fact more compelling, than its call re Sessions. This shouldn’t be a tough one. For that reason, it’s hard to understand.

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      I am troubled by it as well, and I have no answer or explanation.


    • Jim in TN says:

      Long ago, when Comey was appointed to the number three in Bushes DOJ, Schuler made him promise to do something. Here is Clarice Feldman in the American Thinker, 2007.
      Lost in the kerfuffle about the Gonzales firings of 8 US Attorneys is the fact that Chuck Schumer has a hidden agenda: acting not only as the Senator from New York but as well as the Attorney General of the U.S. He pushed for the appointment of a Special Counsel, wrote at least 2 letters to the Attorney General requesting updates on the investigation and demanding action on the CIA referral letter respecting the public identification of Plame,. He obtained from Deputy AG Comey the promise to appoint a special counsel and looked the other way when one was appointed outside the statutory and constitutional framework for such appointments. Both Comey and Fitzgerald were well-known to him at the time having worked in the Southern District of New York .


      Comey obviously kept that promise.

      What promise did Rosenstein make? Who preselected Mueller as the designated attack dog? Was this promise exacted with the collusion of Republican Senators? McCain and Graham come to mind.

      Don’t forget that in this troubled highly partisan time that Rosenstein had massive Democrat support. And the Mueller appointed, Obama promoted, head of the OPR recommended that straight arrow Sessions recuse himself, But never any Obama appointee.

      Now, having achieved their goal, why would they act to undermine it by getting rid of Rosenstein and putting in a straight shooter or a Trump partisan?

      At the time, CNN claimed Sessions picked Rosenstein. Don’t know if that is true, nor who made the recommendation to Sessions if that is true.


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  9. nimrodman says:

    Scottish YouTube personality Count Dankula — potentially faces two months in prison after recording a video of his girlfriend’s dog doing Nazi salutes.

    Buddha’s owner Suzanne Kelly had previously said “He (Buddha) will lift his paw to virtually anything if he gets a treat for it. We have taught him to lift his paw to food, like ham or cheese,” and that her boyfriend had “never expressed anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic” views



  10. Update..
    I just talked with My attorney..
    Police say….
    They “found” some mari-J plants growing in my back yard, in heavy brush way back in 2012 unknown to me,, (believe me its heavy brush)..

    All were between 6″ & 8 ” inches tall.
    I’m assuming when found when the police “busted” undocumented Immigrants next door selling cocaine…
    One or 2 were LIVING in a outbuilding in the back of the next door house..
    Hence the “paraphernalia” charge, one threw a metal crack pipe over the fence.. Apparently they then found these plants..
    I got one or 2 choices…
    Take it up too a Jury.. (Superior court)..
    Or take a “Prayer for Judgment”,, after ONE year the charges will be dropped.. (like it never happened)..
    ALL the police, (except one) were fired or put in prison..

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      Speechless. I bet you are glad to understand what and why, but what a hideous position to be put in.

      Liked by 2 people

    • dayallaxeded says:

      Make sure you have a good attorney and/or get a second opinion and follow their advice. Just my 2 cents and YMMV. I would be interested to know if they can even produce the “plants” and if they were ever even tested to confirm they were MJ and on your property, though. Seems like a very sketchy case–which is why I guess they’re also offering the “Prayer for Judgment.” May God guard and guide you, especially in this time and decision.

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  11. Sylvia Avery says:

    For those of you following the self driving Uber car that struck a woman walking her bicycle…

    There was a driver in the Uber at the time although the car was in driverless mode, but guess what folks?

    “…He was a convicted felon who served almost four years in prison on an attempted armed robbery charge, according to court records.

    The Volvo was in self-driving mode with Rafaela Vasquez, 44, at the wheel when the car hit 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg as she was walking a bicycle outside the lines of a crosswalk, police said. Herzberg later died at a hospital.

    Court records obtained by the Arizona Republic show Vasquez has a criminal record in Arizona under a different legal name, and was released from prison in 2005…”

    The article doesn’t tell us if he was here legally or not. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t be excited to know my Uber driver was a convicted felon armed robber.

    I live in a BLUE state and we just passed a fabulous law where employers can’t ask about your criminal history! Isn’t that AWESOME? It makes me feel like such a do gooder! The thought of a convict tenderly caring for my child as a nanny in my home while I’m gone, or taking thoughtful and compassionate care of my grandma in the nursing home just gives me goosebumps of feel goodism!


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  12. BigMamaTEA says:

    Senate tee-vee just adjourned until 11:00a.EST tomorrow. First thing on the agenda tomorrow is vote of HR 1865

    (H.R.1865 – Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017 –


  13. patrickhenrycensored says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  14. BigMamaTEA says:

    Supposed full un-edited interview Megan Kelly with Vladimir Putin. (approx. 1 1/2 hr.)

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    • BigMamaTEA says:

      I’ve just started this, but already I agree with one of the commenters…..”One of the dumbest women in the world interviewing one of the smartest men in the world”


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  15. Scott Allan Cole says:

    Comey will be on with Bret Baier on April 26th…he asked for questions to be directed to him on his Twitter feed. Get to it Sundance!

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    • Comey has lost it and his lawyer(s) are negligent in letting him bloviate all ovef the media, UNLESS Mueller has already granted him IMMUNITY. That would be a kick in the private parts….enough to send PDJT over the edge….he might even fire Mueller and Rosenstein.


      • Jim in TN says:

        Mueller is a fool for letting him write a book. Same for all his public comments, and now for publicizing said book.

        Comey is making himself worthless as a witness against Trump.


  16. Lucille says:

    Close to finishing up the first day of spring…so time for some more flowers….

    Tchaikovsky – “Waltz of the Flowers” (Nutcracker)
    Melania Anghel: Slideshow created with my own photos during this summer to the Flowers Riviera, Ligurian Sea, Italy.

    The Ligurian Sea is a part of the Mediterranean Sea positioned between the northwestern coast of Italy, the southeastern coast of France, and to the north of the islands of Corsica and Elba

    Vernazza, Italy on the Ligurian Sea….

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  17. F.D.R. in Hell says:


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  19. Sassy says:

    Maybe something, maybe nothing. Am I wrong to think it may be pertinent that Facebook began to go after Cambridge Analytica to delete the data being used by the Trump campaign’s contractor in August 2016? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/us/politics/cambridge-analytica-trump-campaign.html

    “Facebook verified the leak [it was NOT a leak!] and — without publicly acknowledging it — sought to secure the information, efforts that continued as recently as August 2016. That month, lawyers for the social network reached out to Cambridge Analytica contractors. ‘This data was obtained and used without permission,’ said a letter that was obtained by the Times. ‘It cannot be used legitimately in the future and must be deleted immediately.'”

    So Obama’s campaigns, across multiple campaigns, “pioneered” the data mining of social media with, according to someone on Obama’s own campaign staff, the knowledge of Facebook, whose leaders, she said, were on Obama’s side and so allowed them access to data they denied to others. But they put a stop to Trump’s campaign using the same techniques.

    What had been allowed (for some) under their prior policies suddenly became “a leak” of private information when Trump’s campaign used the same techniques that Obama’s had used. It’s interesting that they made Cambridge Analytica contractors delete all their data in August 2016. How did they know FOR SURE that this company had the data, how they got the data from a UK researcher, that they were using it, and (more recently) that they supposedly never did delete it after agreeing to delete it?

    If it’s true that Facebook allowed Obama’s campaign to gather and use private profile data but then actively took steps to prevent Trump’s campaign from doing the same, could campaign finance laws be implicated here? In other words, would their special help to the Obama campaign constitute an “in kind donation” that would need to be reported?

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