Chinese elementary school math quiz. Can you figure it out?

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TWO HINTS:

- 1) Each element has an individual value.
- 2) Chinese are sneaky.

ANSWER BELOW.

10 + 10 + 10 = 30

10 + 5 + 5 = 20

5 + 4 + 4 = 13

10 + (3 x 2) = **16**

[Each cat is 3 each whistle is 2]

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If this was done on the island of Guam, how many cats with whistles would it take to tip the island over?

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that is Congressional Black Caucus problem for debate….Conyers says where is that female math major intern, she is so cute. Johnson says, she is not on Guam, she is in your office on the sofa.

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Hey, Sundance! I thought Sundance Univeristy is closed for Thanksgiving holidays!

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I was whistle-punked

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I never saw the X. Dahhhh

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A cat and whistle is 5, and 2 whistles is 4

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That’s what I get, in the UK the answer would be 60. 10+ 5 =15 X 4 = 60.

Who knows how the Chinese do maths.

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AGREED

3 sneakers = 30

30 divided by 3 = 10.

SO 1 sneaker =10

1 sneaker (10) + 2 cats = 20

Thirty – 10 = 20

20 divided by 2= 5,

so 1 cat = 5

1 cat (5) + 1 whistle + 1 whistle = 13.

Thirteen -5=8,

8 divided by 2=4

So 1 whistle = 4

so

1 sneaker (10) + 1 cat (5) x 1 whistle (4) = 60

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So close – you must compute the mathematical expression in the order of operations: PEMDAS (parenthesis, exponents, multiplication, division, addition, and lastly subtraction). We learned it “Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally”. Therefore, the multiplication happens first, then complete the addition.

1 sneaker (10) + 1 cat (5) x 1 whistle (4) =

10 + 20 = 30

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Woops – only one whistle. 10 + 5 x 2 = 20

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Should have kept reading – darn cat missing whistle in last, so 16 it is! 10 + 3 x 2 = 16

Cal I was easier than this.

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2 whistles equal 4…but one whistle only equals 2. Doesn’t matter which country does the math

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Line 1:

3Shoe = 30

1Shoe = 10

Line 2:

Shoe + 2Cat + 2Whistle = 20

2Cat + 2Whistle = 10

Cat = 5 – Whistle

Set it aside.

Line 3:

Cat + 5Whistle = 13

Substitute Cat for 5 – Whistle

5 – Whistle + 5Whistle = 13

4Whistle = 8

Whistle = 2

Cat = 3

Therefore:

Shoe + (Cat x Whistle) = ?

10 + (3 x 2) = 16

If you assumed Cat = 5 immediately, you’ll get it wrong.

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I think that means you missed the sign of the times.

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beautiful……………..

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Me too! Curse you sneaky X!.

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Same here. The rest was easy, but yep, thought that last was just another addition.

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The answer is not 16. The answer is 20.

Each cat is 5. Each whistle is 2.

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That’s what I have too

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Tom…are you counting the whistles around the cats neck in the photos and the one’s that are NOT present in the other? I think you are missing those…

Like SD said…sneaky.

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Hahaha thought item around the cat neck was a tie!

Note: Need eyes checked 🤓

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I thought the whistles we’re steak’s🤷

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Your eyes worse than mine 😂😂😂

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ding ding ding

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At the risk of being too rigorous in my analysis, the first three pictorial equations represent three linear algebraic equations with three independent and unknown variables that can be solved simultaneously. Once the value of each pictorial character is determined, the fourth pictorial equation is easily solved giving priority to multiplication over addition. In terms of variables, let x represent the sneakers, y represent the cat and z represent the whistle. Then we have:

1) x+x+x = 30, or x = 10;

2) x+2y+2z = 20;

3) y+5z = 13

First, rearrange equation 3 to solve for y:

y= 13-5z

Combining equations 2 and 3, we get:

x+2y+2z = x+2(13-5z)+2z = 20.

After plugging in x=10 we get z=2. Finally, one substitutes the calculated values for z and x in either equations 2 or 3 to get y=3.

Of course, we are interested in the solution to the last equation, which can be written as follows:

4) x+(y*z) = 10+(3*2) = 16

Sometimes it’s hard to not think like an engineer.

Cheers!

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The cat has a whistle above and below the cat is without a whistle.

That is a seriously sneaky test. Now, don’t feel bad for not getting that because WE are not members of their class. Within the class, they are TAUGHT this. We see no obvious distinction between cat pictures and therefore did not know to assign distinct values to the symbols. The “double whistle” was also a thing I didn’t notice at first.

Keep in mind also, their written language is STRONG and heavy on symbology while we use a loosely based sound-character system with no intrinsic meaning for each character. In the Chinese written language, characters are often composed of other characters which serve to augment meaning the way we have compound words, roots, suffixes and prefixes.

If we were briefed on the types of analyses required to solve the puzzle, we would have jumped into the correct answer without hesitation.

We are meant to feel inferior but we should not. We operate under completely different framing and standards. Once the framing and standards are known, we’re fine.

THE CHILDREN WERE TAUGHT this specific task just as our children are taught in a specific manner.

Our main problem is that we allow our standards to be reduced by lowering the standards to meet a lower-IQ population whether they are black, hispanic or middle-eastern. All of them, as group averages, have fairly low IQs compared to white and east Asian people.

For individual children with higher than average IQs (whether black, hispanic, middle eastern, white or east-asian it DOES NOT MATTER individually) they should be placed in a certain band of education to allow them to advance to their potential. For those with average IQ, the same and those with low IQ, the same. As things stand, unless you’re in a special program or have rich parents, your educational standards will be limited by the LEAST intelligent children around you. Sounds fair right?

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Excellent comment.

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Just so. I might add that it’s pretty sneaky, but would only fool us for the first question. Then we’d know the extra rules.

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I cam up with 17!

cat is 5

10 plus 5 + 2 = 17

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You missed that the cat on the last equation lost his whistle. Look again. Cat (5) – whistle (2) = 3

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I got 26

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The cats are wearing whistles when they represent 5 and the final cat is not wearing a whistle, therefore it equals 3. Very sneaky.

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I thought the whistles were steaks, so how am I doing?!

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Is this gonna be on my citizenship test???? Think I’ll just cross the border illegally …

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Good luck, China has had a wall for centuries!

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Yes, and they do not have an illegal Mexican problem. At all.

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Wow, that IS sneaky.

It’s a good thing our trade reps have their eyes open because if I was one of them I would have mistakenly given away the store….LOL

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It’s not sneaky. It’s what they were taught to look at. The breakdown is the fact that we aren’t taught to look at certain details.

But hey, there are details to be missed even AFTER this cat-whistle analysis — How about the relative SIZES of the whistles? The absolutely minuscule whistle of the cat does not quite compare to the larger whistles we’re expected to value at 2 each. Plus, can we honestly value a used cat whistle the same as a new whistle?

This is all relative to the depth of the analysis in which you’re expected to engage.

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It’s sneaky.

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Upon showing it to the Dude of the House, he pointed out that the answer is, the Chinese are poor artists, as they can’t draw a whistle that doesn’t look like a bean. (Someone else thought they were steaks, and I didn’t even try to figure out WHAT they were, just thiking what number they were worth, so totally missed that the same thing was around the cat’s neck in most pictures. (P.S. That “engineer” description? Never thought engineers were so verbal. I’m really verbal, but do math like this in my head by intuition, not by putting into words and the putting the words into complex steps.)

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When you read sundance’s analysis of, say, the specific challenges US trade negotiators make to an agreement such as NAFTA, its easy to overlook the fact they catch this level of deception on a daily basis.

We have the luxury of admiring them in hindsight, but the Wolverines are Really Brilliant.

Thy ALWAYS see the whistle around Kitty’s neck, ha!

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Now, why does the cat have a whistle?

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That’s good. Cats with bells, we understand. Not cats with whistles.

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🐱

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I totally got it correct, (after I looked at the answer). My eyes didn’t make out the multiplication symbol till afterwards lol

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You’re NOT alone on missing the multiplication symbol . And there i was thinking I was Oh So Smart !

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Another Great DivideHow can I figure this equation, if multiplication’s the ruleYou keep subtracting me from you, and it just doesn’t add up at all

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How come the cat is 5 in the first equations then only 3 in the last? The answer should be 20, isn’t it?

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Yeah, the answer part is wrong. It’s 10 + (5*2) = 20.

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Each whistle is worth 2. Last set, cat is not wearing a whistle but is in other pictures, so 10 + (3*2).

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The cat whistle is smaller and probably used. How deep does your analysis go?

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I still do not know why a cat would have a whistle.

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No. U r Wong. Sorry. Last cat lost its whistle.

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How much value does a whistling dog have?

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Because the cat in the previous pictures was wearing a whistle (2) but he was not in the last set of problems. So the cat was worth (5-2) or 3

Sundance is correct: the Chinese are very sneaky. Or perhaps better phrased, too clever for their own good.

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Catty, at least 🙂

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And snitches (whistle blowers).

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They are neither sneaky nor too smart.

I got the answer wrong. Twice.

Why? Because I made assumptions that were not true, I did not pay attention to information that was plainly visible. Suppose this were a contract and I made those same erroneous assumptions … or a treaty.

The Chinese were not too smart for their own good … I was.

The lesson is that nothing is insignificant.

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While working on the Great Wall Hotel, the US company I worked for also created plans for one small support hotel to house designers, consultants and workers.

The Chinese stole concrete from the concrete factories the US company built for The Great Wall Hotel, flipped the plans 180 degrees for the small support hotel. and built one additional hotel from the proprietary plans and stolen concrete.

⛩ + 📐+ 🏢 =📉💣💥

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Never mind. Cat with whistle is 5. Cat without is only 3. That is just stupid in that the whistles are barely recognizable on the cat and honestly this reminds me of a FORTRAN test I had decades ago where they’d toss in a comma where a period was supposed to be to “getcha” but the mimeograph tests were so hard to read already you’d just assume it was a defect in the copy.

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Yeah, this is not a test of the student’s knowledge, but to show how clever the test designer is. Less than impressed.

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I kindly disagree AM…the kids are being taught, not only within their system of writing as Daniel ^^^ pointed out, but their learning is being reinforced by their success or failure.

The Chinese, from what I have gleaned, do not consider competition to be the evil our libtards would have it be.

I see this as a weeding-out process.

Kids are not going to get a problem like this wrong more than once.

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Ok, they got me too. I saw the whistles on the cats but never gave them a thought that they were part of the equation and never paid attention to the fact the one at the end was not wearing one. Tricky is an understatement. Guess I should pay attention to details much more closely. I’d be a bad witness in a trial.

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Remember at one of the rallies, when Trump was mocking the US negotiators of our “disastrous” Trade Treaties…and he made a BIG POINT of saying that our adversaries read Every Dot, Every Comma, Every Word???

He mocked our negotiators for being lazy and stupid.

See, these kids are simply being well trained.

If you look at the problem this way, its not tricky at all…its just focused differently than we may focus our similar problems.

I think the problem is an excellent example of a way to teach actual observation skills.

btw, I didn’t factor in kittywhistles either, ha!

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Consider the whistle the fine print that most people ignore.

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Because the last cat is missing the whistle around it’s neck.

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Must’ve been hanging out with McCain…

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To be fair, there is no equation, prior to the last open ended equation, demonstrating the value of the whistle.

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OK I actually thought the big whistles were tape measures.

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It was inherent.

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No whistle around the neck

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Such a good exercise Sundance. It exposes us Treepers for who we really are beneath the surface. Now if we would only take responsibility for our deficiencies in observational and mathematical skills, we could make forward progress on MAGA.

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Had I caught the addition of a new operator, I probably would have gotten it. Damn sneaky!! 🙂

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You could write a book? 🙂

What happened!

Rumpole’s tip… blame Russians, Comey, Trump… don’t include the stuff about yourself.

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Yep. They couldn’t come up with a collusion to the problem…

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AA egos hardest hit.

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One problem with the suggested solution is that the value of the string that is used to hold a whistle around a cat’s neck is assumed to be zero.

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Yes. The artwork is not only sneaky, but there are … “strings” attached.

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Ahh. The string theory. And is that Schroedinger’s cat on the last line?

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Cat with whistle = 5

Cat minus whistle (worth 2) = 3

10 + (3×2)

10 + 6

16

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No. there are not two items with 3 points. The cat without whistle is 3, but the whistle is only 2.

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The solution as presented is correct. You are still missing the obvious multiplication operator and haven’t noticed that the kids are doing algebra.

Yep, this is representational math. Try it again as

X, (Y+Z), Y, Z for, shoes, cat + whictle, cat alone, whistle alone

the final line is thus X+(YZ)=?

There is a heirarchy of operations in algebra (which is exactly what this is) and the multiplication is applied first. Thus: cat times whistle plus tennis shoes or tennis shoes plus the sum of cat times whistle.

I missed it because I didn’t see the problem for what it was. I got it wrong twice. I haven’t taken an algebra class since 1970 and have barely used it since.

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(10+3) x 2

13 x2

26

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It depends what “is” means…

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Got it😉. Soooo “the definition of the word ‘is’ depends” on the dictator, not God.

Communism!

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Dang it!

Missed the “x” sign.

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26, because you perform operations from left to right.

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Order of operations, is multiply/divide from left to right, then add/subtract from left to right. 16 is correct.

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Put = 10 + 3 * 2 in excel. You get 16

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But the standard view of Micro$oft’s calculator gives 26. The other views (Programmer, Scientific) are correct with regard to precedence of operators…

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That’s Clinton Accounting…

In the real world there is a set order to perform operations.

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yes,

1) determine X’s damage coefficient to planned treasonous and/or illegal acitivity activity, THEN

2) if it is high, THEN

3) eliminate X

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PEMDAS: “Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction”

Of course, I missed the the lack of a whistle on the cat in the last line (couldn’t even tell what it was) and the multiplication instead of addition

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Very sneaky.

But the artwork is unclear to the point of unintelligibility.

If those things were “cats”, I could not understand why they had “noses” on the forehead.

I thought those red disks with the white center were steaks.

In no way did I identify those tiny little “whistles” around the “cat’s” necks with the big red “steaks” in the other pictures.

The pricing was absurd, but that may be OK in China.

Who would sell a live cat for 5 (dollars), but sell 2 steaks for 4 (dollars).

(Oh, no. I just had a bad idea about Chinese restaurants.)

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FWIW, the cats are wearing, erm, “putty-tat” hats.

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I am so glad you thought they were steaks, too! I started down the road to Kobe beef, then stopped myself. And the whistles…dunno.

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The correct answer is 15. 10 plus 3 (cat minus whistle) plus 2 (whistle). 15 total.

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Opps…I missed the fact that there is a “times” symbol in the equation.

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That damn X got everybody.

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Details..details.., as daddy told me. Never bet on the other man’s tricks.

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Moar Quizes, Sundance.

Thanks. 😉

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So pleased to figure out the values in 2. and then 3. that I blew right past the 3 changes in the 4th. so I had figured 19. Now I see what I missed. I missed no whistle, times & one less whistle.

I would not have figured, however that the car without the whistle was 5-2 unless I assume one less whistle is 4-2, therefore, no whistle on the cat is also -2

Note to self whistles are worth 2 on or off a cat.

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Tell me….what do you do with witches?

Burn ’em! Burn ’em up!

What do you burn apart from witches?

More witches! And tennis shoes! And wood!

So, why do tennis shoes burn? Because they’re made of wood!

So, how can we tell if Sundance is made of wood? We could build a bridge out of him but bridges can also be made of stone. See the problem with that logic? But let me ask you this: Does wood sink in water? No, it floats! What also floats in water? Bread…apples…very small rocks…cider…grape gravy…cherries…mud…ducks….I’ve got it – a cat with a whistle!!!! So, thinking logically now, if Sundance weighs the same as a cat WITHOUT a whistle, he must be….

A WITCH!!!

I’ll get the scale.

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Q: What’s the difference between a violin and a viola?

A: A viola burns longer.

Q: What’s a violin good for?

A: Lighting up a viola.

Q: What do a violist’s fingers have in common with lightning?

A: They never strike the same place twice…

(ducks and runs from burning violas…)

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Common Core? Lol

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I thought the answer was 26, my daughter who just graduated from college this year said, 19, then 30 and my best friend from Canada who is an accountant said 19 too. LOL. Back to school for me for Math and more reading needed under Sundance’s tutelage for awareness. Enjoyed this, Sundance, thank you.

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It has to be 20 or 30, depending on what the X is applied to.

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People are still not believing the answer is 16. It is 16, people! I missed it, too, but saw upon reading the explanation — once.

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Do I get a prize if I got it right?

Almost made the mistake of not noticing the whistle though — thank goodness for remembering to check my work (thank you Mr. Sullivan, all that hard work of yours appeared to pay off).

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Why are the 3 and 2 in the last equation treated a multiplication rather than addition? Nothing in the picture indicates multiplication whereas previous equations are processed straight across from left to right, which is the customary way to run solutions — towards the equals sign — no? So, I get 10+3=13*2=26.

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Because some fiend used a multiplication symbol … which most of us read as an addition symbol because the preceding lines had had an addition symbol in that location.

Problems: you can’t solve them if you don’t know what they are.

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Great Thread today. The comments and answers here are just hysterical. Thank you for the laughs. I mean the really hard teary laughs.

As they say, “Laughter is the Best Medicine”.

🙂

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Give the test to all the senators, if they get the answer wrong they have to pass (vote yes) tax reform with the removal of O’Bammy mandate! …It will pass easily!

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ANY basic IQ test would eliminate at least some Senators/Congressmen (women).

It could (should) be used to eliminate some voters at least. Maybe set an IQ standard of 90? I betcha Hillary’s “lead” in the popular vote would become a deficit.

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And in English only, too.

🙂

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The ONLY problem I can envision with a Congressional IQ test is….

The Bastids would CHEAT!! LOL

They would be getting the questions handed to them ahead of the test… but likely would fail anyway… they are that dumb!

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Naw, they’d slip the testers money and bribe ’em for a passing grade.

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I have to agree, this test is dishonest BS.

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Q: When was the last time you read an EULA?

A: The day you needed to use a Microsoft product.

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And here’s me thinking you were 6+47 all along. Got me paying attention to detail now.

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= We’re going to get better trade deals with China. Billions and BILLIONS of winning!!!!!

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Wait!

Since when do cats whistle? Obama was always dog whistling. And he’s sneakier than the Chinese.

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I’ve always hated math! Still do!

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A cat with no whistle has no prior example to give it a value. Cat with a whistle is 5 if a whistle is 2

Last line is 10 + Cat with no whistle (3) + 2 = 15

Cheers

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Nope. Remember folks, WORK THE PROBLEM. (Thanks to “Apollo 13”)

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I’ve seen these puzzles before. Simple math. Each image represents a certain value. Take one line at a time. Look closely at each image. You’ll see a change. Look at that nice un-suspicious cat in the bottom row….I’m guessing that the correct answer is 26.

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17

Shoes are worth 10 each: 3S = 30; S = (30 /3) = 10

Cats are worth 5: 1S + 2C = 20… C = ( 20 – 10 ) /2 = 5

Whistles are worth 2: C + 2W + 2W = 13; C + 4W = 13; W = (13 – 5) /4 = 2

So…

S + C + W = 10 + 5 + 2 =17

Disclaimer: I got a degree in Physics and Math. But I could have done this in the 3rd grade! 😉

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20, perhaps… BUT, this is a cultural problem. In our Western system of symbols and mathematics there is NO solution to the problem because the cat with a whistle is a different symbol than the cat with whistle. You can NOT make the assumption that the cat with the whistle is the addtion of ( cat + whistle ).

Damn Chinese.. they cheated…. I could easily argue that here is no real solution to the problem

If all cats are worth the same, then it’s S + ( C * W) = 10 + (5 * 2) = 20

But if the cats are different, then mathematically there is no real solution to the problem. I know the Chinese will say: (Oh, but those are pictures of a cat AND a whistle, therefore the value is an addition…).

BS.

Only a nation that uses their writing system would attempt such a bogus try. In western society, where our letters and numbers are absolute, and those cats are different and therefore there is not enough information to solve the problem.

No wonder the Chinese are so bad at using mathematics that requires thinking… their caligraphy works against them.

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Are you aware that they are making huge inroads in Latin America and Africa? Apparently they can “do the math” well enough.

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The problem presented, IMHO, is the equivalent of a word problem in English such as the bus driver one. It uses characters as does their language and which they’re familiar with. I’m sure the Chinese have mastered Arabic numerals, zero as a place holder, and the order of operations. Read the fine print and MAGA

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that’s what i came up with ! Look above!

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OK, now I see, it is 2 whistles together, so it is:

One pair of shoes is 10.

One cat is 5.

One whistle is

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Cat is 3, whistle is 2. So cat w/ whistle = 5.

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Where does the test indicate that a cat is 3 and a whistle is 2? Why can’t it be 3 for a whistle and 2 for a cat? Or 4 and 1?

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nevermind

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Sundance, thank you for saying that the cat = 3…that solved the problem.

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This cartoon is downright UnAmerican.

I missed the whistle missing from his neck, but caught the double single whistle thing.

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Shoe –10

cat–5

whistle–2

so, shoe + cat = 15……. x 2 =30

My experience teaching 3rd grade.

There is no parentheses, so problem must be treated as read…shoe + cat x whistle

Manufacturing a parentheses could be stated like this—(shoe + cat) x whistle

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Purple. Because aliens don’t wear hats.

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The last cat does not have a whistle so the answer is 15 not 16.

shoes + cat w/o whistle + whistle = 15

10 + 3 + 2 = 15

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10 + 3X2 is 6, so 10+6 is 16.

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I’ll never get used to the metric system.

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What a great assignment. Not only does it teach math but also to be very observant.

I would love to see this be a regular topic. Some obscure learning item once a week.

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I get a constellation prize for 19 since they changed the freaking picture on the last one!

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The flipping whistle. Unbelievable.

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