Makes Sense Now: Chavez Dead / Not Dead / Comatosed Etc….. Here’s what appears to be going on…

TRINIDAD-AMERICAS-SUMMIT-CHAVEZ-OBAMAHere is my best non-physician explanation, that reconciles the conflicting reports.   Hugo Chavez appears to have spinal metastases of the cancer.  This is the VERY end stage, like “very”, as in essentially immediate death without mechanical intervention to prolong life.   

The base of the brain (top of the spine) is where the respiratory functions are located.   With cancer in the spine there is no way to reverse the effect, and rapid tumor growth occurs.   Breathing ceases.  

Using a mechanical respirator prolongs the physical life, but it is a place from no return.   In essence he is dead, but heart function continues with blood flow supported by breathing from mechanical means.   So reports of his death are semi-accurate and simultaneously the reports of him being comatose are also accurate.   Why prolong his physical death? (see below).

(summary) He is Clinically Dead , and will not be officially announced till after the 10th because in Venezuela’s constitution it requires an election in the event the elected official is not able to be inaugurated in Jan 10th.

Sorry for weak translation but the original article is in Spanish  (link)

VENEZULA –  Hugo Chavez entered in recent days in an induced coma , with very weak vital   signs, maintained through the artificial[..]instance procured the Havana hospital where he was admitted.  Sources consulted by ABC said Monday that it had scheduled a next power of artificial support extending the life of the Venezuelan president . That disconnect, with results expected to die, could occur at any time.

Venezuelan officials say Chavez is still alive, although they seem to be preparing the country for the news of the [rip] of the Bolivarian leader.   His son and Minister of Science and Technology, Jorge Arreaza , said Chavez had reached the end of the year “calm and stable”.   Meanwhile, Venezuelan Vice President, Nicolas Maduro , said Sunday that his
situation was “delicate”.

For several days, the health of Chavez is considered critical, with its vital functions artificially [..] listed following the operation he underwent on December 11 due to advanced cancer suffering and postoperative complications provadas by infection.

With constant fever, loss of consciousness and the antibóticos unanswered, Chavez came to the end of the year in intensive care, without eating anything solid since undergoing surgery three weeks ago, with “anus against nature” and due to intravenous feeding extraction of about half a meter of intestine , according to intelligence sources with access to your medical team.

Also their respiratory functions were artificially [..] listed after tracheotomy which was submitted by an infection that led to the retention of fluid in the lungs. That picture is
completed with renal insufficiency.

In the operation conducted on 11 to remove the four crops of pelvis and bowel cancer, Venezuelan President were extracted 43.4 inches of small intestine. A biopsy conducted during surgery also detected cancer cells in the inner walls of the intestine and the bladder.

The operation, performed by a medical team arrived in Russia specifically, with the [...] insistence of Cuban doctors also found that bone metastases and spinal cord was progressing steadily.  Normally this would have probably required an upcoming bone marrow transplant, but his condition deteriorated and so has not allowed more performances.     (you can translate better here)

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19 Responses to Makes Sense Now: Chavez Dead / Not Dead / Comatosed Etc….. Here’s what appears to be going on…

  1. howie says:

    Does this mean the communists will inaugurate a corpse? They are amazing.

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  2. stellap says:

    He’s in renal failure – usually a sign of imminent death.

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    • Regal failure…The King is Dead

      I’m not looking forward to this big oaf’s arrival on January 11. :evil:

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    • dmoseylou says:

      Renal failure is often successfully treated with Dialysis. HC’s problem is that he has multiple-organ-failure, which means most of his body’s systems are failing, probably due to massive infection, b/c the cancer is attacking multiple organs. The body has remarkable healing abilities when one system / organ is affected, but advancing CA overwhelms many systems at the same time. The body can only fight so much for so long, before it—the whole body—has no more resistance to the invasive CA cells.

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  3. dmoseylou says:

    My family lives in Ven.; they say what they believe is that Chavez is, in fact, in a medically induced coma to continue his “life” until the inauguration.

    MIC is standard critical care protocol when the pt. requires artificial respiratory assistance, to prevent one’s innate instinct to fight against the machine pumping air into the lungs. The medication of choice in the US is propofol, which has a half-life of 2-3 minutes. This short drug duration allows medical professionals to “wake up” the patient rapidly, assess functional levels of the body’s multiple systems, and quickly “re-sleep” the patient to stabilize breathing and other vital signs.

    The part of the report Re: the feeding tube and intestines is simply that a very short, simple procedure was performed, probably at bedside, to place the tube directly into the stomach with a very small incision and local anesthetic.

    Prostate CA is VERY invasive, very fast. It first spreads to bladder / bowel / bones, usually the spine. A bone marrow transplant is not an option when other organs have metastatic CA. My Father died from Prostate CA in 1992. The Drs. gave him 10 months, he lived 9 months and 27 days. He had Bone met before any other symptoms, except for urinary, so I am unfamiliar with the pro / cons / stats for BMT.

    The article is not specific enough to determine if death will be instantaneous if Chavez is removed from the respirator, but it sounds like he has septic shock, multi-organ failure. Non-reversible, FATAL in every patient I have cared for in 35 yrs. Having family in Ven and having lived there at intervals for the past 16 yrs, I know HC is evil; yet I pray for him and his family. It is the worst ones that need our prayers so desperately.

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    • dmoseylou says:

      Clarification: Prostate CA is VERY invasive, very fast, IF unchecked in its’ primary stage. My Father had a PSA screening 18 months before his prostate CA diagnosis. For years and years, he had testing done every year. Then, one year he was 6 months late with his check-up. It had him; it had spread that fast, that quick. It killed my Grandpa and my Dad. My brother—who NEVER missed a check-up every 6 months, even tho the DRs kept telling him once a year was good enough—was diagnosed with early, early stage prostate CA at age 46. The Drs actually told him, “no rush, no hurry, it’s early, you have at least a full year before you have to do anything.”
      (Gawd, I am ashamed, ashamed I tell you, Texan59 and WeeWeed these were Drs. in Houston.) I GREATLY urged him to get a second opinion, “He//, get a dozen.” He did, had prostate removal surgery 10 days later. That was 2003. Caught so early, the CA was completely encapsulated—no metastasis.

      OK, sorry, I am off the Prostate CA bandwagon. PLEASE all men, get checked every year. If it runs in your family, get checked every 6 months. Hound the K-rap out of all the guys you know. He//, it’s just a blood test…the difference between life and death. Really, real life and real death.

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  4. 22tula says:

    Google Translate

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    Ex. Spanish
    Hugo Chávez ha entrado en los últimos días en un coma inducido, con las constantes vitales muy debilitadas, mantenidas gracias a la asistencia artificial procurada el hospital de La Habana en el que fue internado. Fuentes consultadas por ABC aseguraron el lunes que se había programado una próxima desconexión de la asistencia artificial que prorroga la vida del presidente venezolano. Esa desconexión, con resultado previsible de fallecimiento, podía producirse en cualquier momento.

    Las autoridades venezolanas aseguran que Chávez sigue con vida, aunque parecen estar preparando al país para la noticia de la muerte del líder bolivariano. Su yerno y ministro de Ciencia y Tecnología, Jorge Arreaza, dijo que Chávez había llegado al final del año «tranquilo y estable». Por su parte, el vicepresidente venezolano, Nicolás Maduro, indicó el domingo que su situación era «delicada».

    Desde hace varios días, el estado de salud de Chávezse considera crítico, con sus funciones vitales asistidas artificialmente a raíz de la operación a la que fue sometido el 11 de diciembre debido al avanzado cáncer que padece y de las complicaciones del postoperatorio provadas por una infección.

    Con fiebre constante, pérdida de conciencia y sin responder a los antibóticos, el presidente venezolano llegó a final de año en cuidados intensivos, sin ingerir nada sólido desde que fue operado hace tres semanas, con «ano contra natura» y alimentación intravenosa debido a la extracción de casi medio metro de intestino, de acuerdo con fuentes de inteligencia con acceso a su equipo médico. También sus funciones respiratorias se encontraban asistidas artificialmente tras la traqueotomía a la que fue sometido por una infección que motivó la retención de líquido en los pulmones. Ese cuadro se completa con insuficiencia renal.

    En la operación llevada a cabo el día 11 para extirparle cuatro cultivos cancerígenos de pelvis e intestino, al presidente venezolano le fueron extraídos 43,4 centímetros de intestino delgado. Una biopsia llevada a cabo durante la cirugía también detectó células cancerígenas en las paredes internas del intestino y en la vejiga.

    La operación, realizada por un equipo médico llegado expresamente de Rusia, con asistencia de médicos cubanos, también comprobó que la metástasis en hueso y médula espinal seguía progresando a paso constante. En condiciones normales esto hubiera requerido probablemente un próximo trasplante de médula, pero su estado ya tan deterioradono ha permitido más actuaciones.

    English
    Hugo Chavez entered in recent days in an induced coma, with very weak vital signs, maintained through artificial assistance procured the Havana hospital where he was admitted. Sources consulted by ABC said Monday that it had scheduled a shutdown next artificial assistance extending the life of the Venezuelan president. That disconnect, with predictable result of death, could occur at any time.

    Venezuelan officials say Chavez is still alive, although they seem to be preparing the country for the news of the death of the Bolivarian leader. His son and Minister of Science and Technology, Jorge Arreaza, said Chavez had reached the end of the year ‘peaceful and stable’. Meanwhile, Venezuelan Vice President, Nicolas Maduro, said Sunday that his situation was “delicate.”

    For several days, the health status of Chávezse considered critical, with its vital functions artificially assisted following the operation he underwent on December 11 due to advanced cancer you have and postoperative complications by infection provadas .

    With constant fever, loss of consciousness and the antibóticos unanswered, Chavez came to the end of the year in intensive care, without eating anything solid since undergoing surgery three weeks ago, with “anus against nature” and due to intravenous feeding extraction of about half a meter of intestine, according to intelligence sources with access to your medical team. Also their respiratory functions were artificially assisted after tracheotomy which was submitted by an infection that led to the retention of fluid in the lungs. That picture is completed with renal insufficiency.

    In the operation conducted on 11 for four crops remove her pelvis and bowel cancer, Venezuelan President were extracted 43.4 inches of small intestine. A biopsy conducted during surgery also detected cancer cells in the inner walls of the intestine and the bladder.

    The operation, performed by a medical team arrived in Russia specifically, with the assistance of Cuban doctors also found that bone metastases and spinal cord was progressing steadily. Normally this would have probably required an upcoming bone marrow transplant, but his condition and as allowed deterioradono more performances.

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  5. jordan2222 says:

    This sounds like something in a horror movie, or science fiction at a minimum.

    What zombie will take over?

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  6. Lulu says:

    “anus against nature” – colostomy.

    He has rotted from the inside….

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  7. czarowniczy says:

    And General Francisco Franco is STILL DEAD! (for those of you who remember…)

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