Both attorneys appeared on AC360 tonight to discuss the latest photo of George Zimmerman…a high-resolution image showing Zimmerman with a bloody face and swollen nose. The defense did not receive this photo until late last October, having previously been given only a rather grainy black and white photocopy of the original.
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“Should have come out day 1″ Exactly Mr O’Mara. The judge and/or jury will see this and ask “WHY?”
If it gets that far, they will be asking “WHY are we here?!”
It’s a waste of tax payer dollars like many other “things”. What a FARCE!
I’m truly amazed that photo has gotten the attention it has, depressing as well with what else that has been going on that’s so much more important. Why is it that Bernie seems to be talking to everyone O’Mara is deposing right before he deposes them? That’s not newsworthy and worth investigating? Or Bernie violating Brady? Not worthy? DeeDee? No? Nothing.
All of the things you mention are extremely important. The photo is bringing about so much outrage because all this time the scheme team were saying George did not have significant injuries. I would think that Bernie could be stopped from doing this, it just isn’t right.
That will come. The photo just brings certain things into the light. CNN even covered it. The more truth that is covered the better.
For a state attorney to have clear evidence of innocence and still continue down this path is a violation of due process. His theory is a Turkey. Or what is his theory? What element of 2nd degree murder does he have any proof of? There is only proof of a homicide. No Mens Rea is shown. All of the states evidence, if proven exonerates Zimmerman.
I think it’s partly because all that other stuff (and I agree it’s more important) is harder to explain to the casual viewer than the picture. In other words, the MSM is lazy (along with also covering for the prosecution)… “Here, look at this picture.” Not much effort involved.
“If it bleeds, it leads”
Media. Their audience intelligence level is 2nd grade.
Things happen in time. (It took me 20 years to finally get an ex-attorney sent to prison, just in August, actually.) Making George and family whole will take until December 2013 and that’s if the cases settle.
In regards to the criminal case, when certain events come close, I will post in here what’s going to happen because of all the stuff Angela Corey-Nifong and the SA has pulled.
Hint: This case is NOT going to trial and everyone intimately involved in the case knows it.
Bonus Hint: There’s a reason for all the discovery being done on George’s behalf, and it has nothing to do with his case going to trial.
In the meantime I’ll continue trashing Crump, Angela Corey-Nifong, et al. on YouTube. (it is the only pleasure I get from cases like this, nailing attorneys. Oh, I also enjoy reading this Site, especially knowing it sends Crump, et al. banging into walls. If Angela Corey-Nifong could have her way she would dispatch her henchmen to destroy the equipment and plant drugs on the Owner.)
Sidenote: That Fred Leatherman guy, whom I only read up on yesterday, wow, that guy is a piece of work. Aside from his obvious narcissism, I think he’s nuttier than squirrel sheet. It is good to see he is on Trayvon Martin’s side of the fence, not George’s.
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm have to love our LAME-stream-MEDIA.
Benjamin Crump saw GZ’s medical records before MOM did because the state prosecutors forwarded them to Crump according to MOM in this clip. That explains how Crump was able to talk about GZ only seeking medical treatment to be cleared for work early in this case. The prosecutors can sit on information that the defense should have but can release medical documentation to an attorney who really has no need of them until and if a civil suit is filed? Law 101 for dummies.
Not understanding why Scheme Team and State follow Crump like the pied piper. How can State properly disclose protected medical records to Crump? Why not file a motion for contempt?
John:
Unlike the NFL, where the coach is limited initially to two challenges per game, the lawyer does not have a limit on motions. Motions for contempt are more serious and less frequently used.
The defense attorney should keep his eye on the primary goal. This includes not getting distracted by the undue use of motions even if warranted, which, among other things,
can serve to wear out their welcome before the judge. A motion for contempt is more detailed affair and involves more of the court’s time in what is a side issue.
MOM/West have shown restraint and wisdom, choosing to catalog prosecution
mistakes and use these as supporting elements in their ongoing efforts for full discovery. An example of this handiwork is found in those delicious footnotes of the West motion filed on Friday.
“MOM/West have shown restraint and wisdom”
LMAO. MOM was supposed to have all the discovery 15 days after April 12th.
“the lawyer does not have a limit on motions.”
Yeah, I know. I typically file one every time a rule or order is violated and the violation is not corrected after an email and a phone call.
“Motions for contempt are more serious and less frequently used.”
File them all the time. Motion to Compel > Order > Motion For Order To Show Cause
ooops, I was thinking of motion for sanctions…..
However on discovery, I have seen these battles drag out over months, only to end up with a summary judgement.
Good for you. Omara and West should do this too.
Wouldn’t that be against HIPPA for the State to give CHUMP Georges medical records PERIOD?
I work at a hospital and the answer is YES!
Do you think that somebody, should, er, maybe object? Or would that be hasty and rash?
That bothered me too. Crump had no right to that evidence that involved a criminal trial. I have never seen a civil attorney inject themselves so much in a criminal procedure. The prosecution should not be able to do this.
My opinion has always been there was no evidence to prosecute him but the blacks were restless and needed appeasing. So the governor appointed this stupid lady who turned the prosecution over to this stupid man. This picture that was withheld, DeeDee being 18 not 16, was part of the plan. They didn’t go to the Grand Jury because they knew they wouldn’t charge him, so they charged him with 2nd degree murder to try and force a plea, charging Shelly was to add more pressure to force him to plea.
So they chose to railroad an innocent man, ruin a police chief’s career along with a detective all to hang the white man because the blacks were calling for blood.
It blew up in their face because Zimmerman didn’t roll over and instead fought back.
Our justice system is supposed to be about justice. This was never about anything but appeasing the black mob and in the process advancing the career of the big bad female prosecutor. Now if our justice system was truly about justice, the governor would pay a price for stepping into an investigation that was being handled correctly, the woman he appointed and the man she appointed would also pay a price and they would be setting at the defense table. Crump who is an officer of the court would be setting at a defense table as well.
Sadly though I have about as much hope for our justice system as I do in Washington and eventually they’ll either drop the charges when the pressure is on them for what they’ve tried to do or Zimmerman will be found innocent and the best that will come out of it is Zimmerman will file a civil lawsuit. None of these people though will ever pay a price criminally or ethically and therefore justice will never be served.
“Sadly though I have about as much hope for our justice system as I do in Washington and eventually they’ll either drop the charges when the pressure is on them for what they’ve tried to do or Zimmerman will be found innocent and the best that will come out of it is Zimmerman will file a civil lawsuit. None of these people though will ever pay a price criminally or ethically and therefore justice will never be served.”
Sadly, I agree with you.
“None of these people though will ever pay a price criminally or ethically and therefore justice will never be served.”
Not so sure. West is boiling the frogs slowly. They might not jump out of the pot.
Hi Michelle – That is also an accurate description of the outcome of this “Nifong-2″. I am hoping that Judge Nelson, in O’mara’s presentation to her, rules justified self-defence, while GZ was under obvious violent attack by TM. This will immunize George, and set him free. O’mara mentioned this during his TV interview. What happens to all the DeeDees, Crump, Bernie, and Corey, remains an open-question. If there is no penalty for all the “shit” they pulled – then it will all happen again in Nifong-3.
Agree with everything you say up your last paragraph about consequences. I would mention that you did leave out one group that has been party to this sad saga who should be held accountable for their participation in the public lynching of George Zimmerman: the media who bought in to sell this story in order to turn around and sell it to the public. Without the media to rile the public, the pols likely would not have jumped in. Of course, this does nothing to exonerate the pols. In fact, it only goes to show how callow they are. Their concern is not to perform the jobs to which they were elected/appointed, but to mollify the public so that the public perceives them as doing their job. In other words, they played politics with George’s life in the balance so as to get re-elected.
As far as consequences go, not everyone will be held accountable to the degree that they should be. But I hold out hope that there will be severe repercussions for a significant portion of those involved in crucifying George. At the head of the list should be the lawyers who plotted to defraud the nation into a knee-jerk (emphasis on jerk) sympathetic reaction in favor of the Martins along with Angela Corey who should never have been schmoozing with the Martins. What part of her job does she not understand? She is supposed to evaluate evidence on its merits to assess whether criminal charges should be brought. She was evaluating evidence based on public opinion polls. Whether these individuals face more than civil charges, time will tell. I hold out hope for more, but you may well be right.
I’ll bet the Taryvonistas will make an issue out of the no x-ray part in the end of MOM’s video. Claim: no x-ray, no broken nose, not deadly force. Any takers?
My dtr when she was a JR in HS while practicing fastpitch softball, got hit in the nose. Broke it. Yes I took her to the ER and all they did was feel around her cheek and around her eye socket to see if the bone around her eye was broken. I took her to an ENT doc, who looked up inside and did same thing that ER did, BUT DID NOT DO AN XRAY EITHER. She had surgery and never ever even got a black eye. She has olive toned skin and the ENT said that possible reason we didnt see much discoloration. OH and her nose just bled a few drops of blood. SHE HURT LIKE HECK THO. And everyone freaked out. SO I can understand exactly the fear GZ had.
Of course they’ll try; they’re stupid. But of course, we already know that.
One, the objective evidence includes a bona fide medical diagnosis of a broken nose, as documented in the medical records.
Two, suffering “deadly force” is not part of the self-defense statute. The degree of injuries suffered by Zimmerman is not, never was, and never will be germane with respect to the relevant statutes. Zimmerman needs demonstrate only one of the following:
1. Reasonable belief of imminent death or serious bodily harm
2. The imminent commission of a forcible felony
Martin’s sustained attack on Zimmerman, Martin’s prevention of Zimmerman’s attempts to escape, Martin’s repeated knocking Zimmerman back to the ground and knocking his head into the ground (all corroborated by objective evidence and eyewitness accounts); as well as Martin’s threat that Zimmerman was “going to die tonight” (as claimed by Zimmerman, and without evidence to refute) meet the first criterion.
Martin’s sucker-punch that broke Zimmerman’s nose meets the second criterion, as aggravated battery.
The State has no evidence – and has testified under oath stating that they have no such evidence – to refute any of Zimmerman’s claims, or to refute the eyewitness testimony, or to refute the forensic evidence.
And the case has always boiled down to these points.
They’ve been talking about no x-ray since George’s medical report came out. It’s been months.
Maybe they need to read ehow for setting or realigning broken noses? Didn’t GZ have a something on his face at the reenactment the next day that looked like his nose had been reset?
“a something” = a bandaging around his nose.
The concept of fighting back BEFORE the assailant incapacitates and kills you is simply beyond them. They usually claim to know exactly when they would pass out from being struck in the face and head, and they would be able to take more punches, and they would not need to shoot a kid because they would not have gotten out of the car in the very housing development where they lived (although I have never figured out how they would get into their own home if they did what they claim is appropriate). The fact that one blow to the head or face can kill a human being is not comprehended. They think it would never kill them because their sister hit them with a toy when they were 12 or it doesn’t happen on video games, WWF or in Batman movies.
+10000
For me it’s not the punch to the face that matters. TM supporters and even some people will say TM was in fear of his life and was allowed to defend himself. I don’t agree with that but I do see people thinking that way. For me it’s what happen after the punch. As soon as he was punched George screamed for help which is him giving up the fight. Legally TM had a chance to escape and run home but he chose to mount George and continue to punish him.
Of course you’re correct that legally, as far as self-defense is concerned, it makes no difference whether George’s nose was actually broken or not. But just for the sake of argument, there’s a pretty easy way to figure it out. Someone last night tweeted Matt Gutman with, “Wow, that nose sure looks broken to me.” His response was, “Yeah, sure does.” Pretty simple, really… the whole “a picture is worth a thousand words” deal.
“Of course you’re correct that legally, as far as self-defense is concerned, it makes no difference whether George’s nose was actually broken or not.”
I think it does. Look at Chapter 776 statutes regarding “forcible felony”. Broken nose = aggravated assault = forcible felony.
But surely that doesn’t mean that the following is also NOT true, does it?:
Smashed nose that looks broken, but no xrays were taken to prove it actually was = aggravated assault = forcible felony
I respect your concise summaries Chip. Nice job.
prncss6 in bigboi’s dog turd gang was already tweeting just that
DAMN!, And nobody bet me!
Broken nose: Tests and diagnosis
By Mayo Clinic staff
“X-rays and other imaging studies are usually unnecessary.”
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/broken-nose/DS00992/DSECTION=tests%2Dand%2Ddiagnosis
“Diagnosis is usually made by physical examination and an X-ray is rarely necessary.”
http://www.nycfacemd.com/broken-nose-nasal-fracture/
Moreover, we find:
“Most broken noses do not require treatment other than controlling pain and other symptoms.”
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/broken-nose-nasal-fracture-topic-overview
So, George could have gone in to see a doctor. More than likely, the doctor would not have performed an x-ray, and would have sent George home with instructions to ice his nose and take Tylenol. And George would have had to pay for something that would not have benefited him in the least. Well, in hindsight, it would have benefited him in that there would be an official diagnosis of the injuries he sustained at the hands of Trayvon Martin. But at the time, there was really nothing of value to be had by taking time to see the doctor.
He did see the doctor the next day. Even though X-rays were not taken, there is a medical code in the records standing for a broken nose. It was suggested he see an eye, ear, nose specialist.
ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 802.0
That code?
Thanks.
What that code represents is “closed fracture of nasal bones”. So what say you, Bigboi and Buddies?
“So what! It doesn’t say ‘broken nose’, does it?! Huh?! Show me where it says ‘broken nose’! Z-Man is going to jail… for LIFE! Count on it!”
Any penalty for George is unlikely… financial reward based on the Schemes involved is almost a dead cert!
The only thing MORE certain is that Bigboi et al WILL be stupid for their entire pathetic lives
These people are clueless. I am amazed how far fetched some of their rhetoric is.
Mayo Clinic? Pffttt!
Like MOM said he would have liked to have an xray but it’s not that big a deal. That pic says it all you can see the damage to his nose add that to the back of his head. Nobody should have to endure something like that.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/broken-nose-nasal-fracture-topic-overview
How is a broken nose diagnosed?
A broken nose is diagnosed through a physical examination and medical history. An X-ray of the nose is not usually needed or helpful if only a broken nose is suspected. If other facial injuries or fractures are suspected, a CT scan will be done. Your doctor may wish to delay evaluation until the swelling has gone down. This may take several days.
“We still have to believe George Zimmerman’s version of the event in order to acquit him.” – Marcia Clark
Don’t think that will be in the jury instructions. Last time I checked, the State has the burden to prove every element of a charged offense beyond a reasonable doubt.
Not only that, but they also have to disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt, before the Jury can even move on to consider if they proved every element of the crime.
Yup, too quick for me. LOL.
More specifically, at trial, the State has the burden to negate self-defense, beyond a reasonable doubt.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/4/12/194725/132
What part of presumption of innocence is difficult for Marcia Clark to grasp?
She’s right about one thing, though: Zimmerman won’t be acquitted. That outcome would require a jury trial, which Zimmerman will never face. Zimmerman will be granted immunity, unless the State finds a way to dismiss before the prosecution ever even gets as far as the immunity hearing.
“What part of presumption of innocence is difficult for Marcia Clark to grasp?”
I have seen another blonde male legal analyst say similar crap on TV. Their contract might require them to say stupid crap like that to churn up interest. I can’t imagine that Marcia Clark – former prosecutor – actually doesn’t know that. She has probably heard a judge read jury instructions quite a few times.
George does not have to give ANY version of events.
He is presumed innocent and if by chance this fiasco gets to court, George is entitled to sit there (like a potted palm) and say nothing….
I have tried to explain to Traybots that it is the PROSECUTION that have to go first and present a “version” of events backed by evidence. And that has to be far more than the sort of nonsense posted by Traynuts… “Well it could have happened this way… or perhaps that way…”
LIMPapa fantasy home video mashes, and Papapinhead photoshops are NOT EVIDENCE
Delusional psychotics who hear imaginary voices (and cockatoos) in random background noise will NOT be admitted as Expert witnesses at trial. Papapinhead will not be called to show how random blurs on Clubhouse videos can show mysterious figures who pop in and out of existence in the fraction of a second between film frames.
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that the defense goes first in a SD hearing. No?
I’m sure I’m missing something simple here, but how does one go about receiving new comments for a post without having to actually make a post and checking “Notify me of follow-up comments via email”?
risefrombelow, Let me know when you get it to work. I have signed up numerous times, but it won’t work for me either.
Make one post and check the box.
Does anyone have a link to the Anderson Cooper interview from yesterday?
That is what this thread is about. The videos are at the top. Anderson Cooper himself didn’t conduct the interviews.
I thought the interview was an hour. This is just 5 minutes. Am I misunderstanding something?
it was a segment on the show….. not the entire show….
here ya go:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/acd.01.html
thanks
I see the color picture as an easy to understand example for the public of a process of hiding not providing discovery by the current State attorney team.
Oh Natalie Natalie Natalie….hypocrite much? Natalie Jackson @NatJackEsq
Court of Law based on common sense, competent evidence & justice. Quite different fm manipulations n Court of Public Opinion. My $’s on Law
Pt. 2 Family of teen shot in Sanford holds press conf.
Sanford teen shooting press conference Part 2 (03/16/12)
@0:01-4:11
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/pt-2-family-of-teen-shot-in-sanford-holds-press/vGZML/
Someone also tweeted the following to her:
@NatJackEsq why is a trial lawyer focusing on tv interviews opposed to preparing to defend his client in a court of law?
——
LOL, the scheme team were doing the interviews first almost on a daily basis. Such hypocrites!
Someone should tweet her “My $’s on the scheme team being indicted soon on fabrication of ebidents”
Tweet her “How old is the current Dee Dee today?”
I need a translator for every one of this chick’s tweets. She must really knock em dead in the courtroom, since she can’t seem to form a coherent thought much less put it into a coherent sentence.
After Marcia Clark gave her opinion the only question I needed to ask was……How’d Oj work out for you? LOL
I love how the media goes to Crump to get a statement when he’s not even part of the prosecution!! Who cares what that idiot wants or thinks.
I love how Crump and the rest of the scheme team are no longer doing interviews. Wonder why?
“Crump and the rest of the scheme team are no longer doing interviews”
or attending hearings.
clark must be delusional to even believe that there is even a chance in hell for the prosecution to win. Does she still remember how she lost the oj case? Let me remind her because she seems to be suffering dementia with the botox she has on her face. She had a ton a blood evidence that could prove oj’s guilt beyond reasonable doubt, but the defense defeated her with a glove and a racist cop. In comparison to the oj case, zimm had more evidence to support his self defense claim, but clark is still arguing the prosecution has a chance to win. May be when hell freezes over.
I personally think that there will be countless trials due to hung juries because no black juror will vote not guilty. They will be too scared to.
I don’t believe even a single jury will be seated for, much less hear or deliberate, this case. Zimmerman will be granted immunity, if the trial even gets as far as the immunity hearing.
I hope so.
Alright dude, why do you keep repeating why I just said? (nevermind the fact that you said it before me!
)
IF there was a trial, you could be right. But there won’t be…. this will NOT get to a trial. Maybe not even to an immunity hearing (except as a formality).
My guess is Marcia Clark does not know very much about this case and thus was commenting on matters of which her knowledge was peripheral and in which she, by virtue of her background, gives the benefit of the doubt to the prosecutors. Her opinion, therefore, is just another opinion.
It is likely that had she been in charge of this prosecution, GZ might have faced a manslaughter count. Botox has nothing to do with any of this.
New article today on new Zimmerman evidence detailing his interest in police, alleged racism in Sanford.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fbi-new-evidence-20121204,0,7609897.story
The club house video shadow chasers are going to be heartbroken!
“The latest round of evidence contains numerous FDLE reports, documenting the agency’s investigative efforts, including canvassing Zimmerman’s neighborhood and nearby businesses.
Multiple investigative avenues, such as collecting surveillance video from the community’s clubhouse and local businesses, resulted nothing of evidentiary value, the reports show.”
But, but!…. we KNOW that someone was out there, we KNOW it! We can see at least two living people, plus one ghost. And our very own Puddy has even admitted that SHE was there. Of course she claims to have seen nothing of importance, but we know better….
I thought for sure the videos clearly showed a bunch of Treepers chasing Trayvon and BigBoi around the clubhouse.
WTF???
……..
The headline:
The lede:
And of course, the article goes on to detail the FBI’s investigations into alleged racism and sexism on the part of the Sanford Police Department, and not George Zimmerman.
Notice how carefully worded the headline is? Notice how it, by virtue of its construct, implies that the FBI found evidence of racism of Zimmerman?
That headline borders on libel.
What about the headline currently on globalgrind? The story is referencing the same news article, but they have added their own headline “Newly Released Evidence Paints Zimmerman As A Racist (DETAILS)”
http://globalgrind.com/news/new-evidence-george-zimmerman-racist-police-infatuation-details#ixzz2E7a3bKj8
Traybot photoshop fantasy is officially destroyed https://twitter.com/JeffWeinerOS/status/276054800305643520/photo/1
“Traybot photoshop fantasy is officially destroyed”
“I heard something hitting something” – Dee Dee.
Sure looks like she did, from the pictures of George’s face.
Yep…..I do believe he just said “ORIGINALS”….as in pure and unadulterated.
Read ‘em and weep Team Scheme.
Megan Kelly on Fox News talked about the photo on her show today. Attorney David Wohl said that the state is deep, deep trouble and boarderlines on prosecutorial misconduct by not releasing that color photo. He said the state has been been covering up evidence and has painted themselves into a polical corner. The other attorney said Gz injuries don’t matter, he didn’t seem to know much about the case other than what he read somewhere. Mr. Wohl laughed at him and tried to fill him in on the facts.
“and boarderlines on prosecutorial misconduct”
If the border is the Rio Grand River, USA is prosecutorial misconduct, then they’re in Iowa.
megan kelly is hot. I watch her videos just to check her out.
You are to much.
Hot? Why this gal is packing serious “heat” !
She is so darn cute. And her hubby is adorable.
Can the Internet bring a class action against crump parks and jackson for manufacturing falsehoods? these conspiratorial 3 stooges supplied all the ingredients and are responsible for bringing the pot to boil.
less they forget revenge is a dish best served cold:
emotional detachment is ideal when taking revenge, as one is righting the wrongs that have been done to the doer.
Who is “the Internet”?
Who is “the Internet”?
Someone said a man named gore…(bahahaha)
Do the Sanford Police even have black and white color photographic equipment?
Then why was the defense given black and white low resolution photos of GZ if not to railroad him?