11-29 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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125 Responses to 11-29 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. ytz4mee says:

    Somehow I missed this, and I was following the “SYG Task Force”.
    The Crumpster is not happy – not happy at all.
    But still sticking to his “pursue” line of (non) reasoning.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/stand-your-ground-law-florida-tast-force-report_n_2130345.html

  2. smoothcriminal says:

    children who major in cheerfulness and possibly look like obama’s long lost son hunting down and killing a law enforcement officer like a rabid dog. but but but they are just children right? its clearly a race crime, they thought drake was white due to his german heritage. Had he been a cat or bird he would still be alive.
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151278696479771&set=a.388887824770.168012.178160899770&type=1&theater
    JUSTICE FOR DRAKE. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE. COLLARS ON.
    (I use satire yes, and if I offend I apologize, but on a serious note, justice needs to happen here. mans best friend, who serves and protects willingly for little more than praise and treats…gets murdered in cold blood, by some thug kids…in his own home….a police dog isnt even enough to protect your own home….sickening….)

  3. smoothcriminal says:

    Being born in the early 80s I am disgusted with the change between those who I grew up with compared to the children of the 90s…and in some cases apparently the 2000s….I know people who never locked their homes, and never got robbed, and today they cant not get robbed with their doors locked. I have honestly only come across a hand full of people trayvons age that are worth a crap. most of them are just whatever…i cant even put a name to it…id say thugs but it doesnt really apply…its just none of them give a eff about anything…laws, parents, school, their future….they are all on this YOLO crap (you only live once), along with being brainwashed into the obama cult…but thats a whole other topic….I dont know how many of you have seen this also…but me and my friends were all boyscouts. as were my younger brothers and their friends (youngest is 24 now)…but the ages right below fell off sharply in membership. My troop was huge, and today the troop is the size of my times largest patrol.
    they dont have parental guidance, they dont do scouts, they dont care about school, they have been shamed from religion since its “not cool”, unless its something different..wiccan, atheist, rastafarian…..and they are indoctrinated by the liberal agenda/media/government ect.

    Scout Oath
    On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong,
    mentally awake, and morally straight.
    and to obey the Scout Law;

    Scout Law
    A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,
    courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty,
    brave, clean, and reverent.

    Scout Motto
    Be Prepared

    Scout Slogan
    Do a good turn daily

    Generation-Trayvon lacks all of the attributes and values taught by the scouts(it is arguable they are loyal in some cases, for example racial loyalty to obama, trayvon, moody, chavis), and in most cases they mock and ostracize and go out of their way at times to publicly humiliate by any means necessary.

    I truly believe that My generation will go down in the books as America’s Last Great Generation.
    We are the last ones who still have the skills that our ancestors has. We know how to do math on paper without a calculator. We know how to find information without a “search engine” doing all the work for us in every way shape and form that statement can be thought of. We can be dropped off in the woods and survive and find our way home without a smart phone telling us what we can and cant eat and giving us a map. We are the last ones who understand what “trust then verify” means. we are not only the last ones who know right from wrong, but also the last ones who chose to do right.

    • LoudaJew says:

      we are now taught that it’s okay to wear a hoodie inside a place of business. it’s okay to hide your identity. it’s not okay to ask “why is this person hiding their identity?”. why is this person walking around with his boxers showing (or pants down like Trayvon in the 7/11 video)? we should not ask those questions because that is somehow profiling.

    • maggiemoowho says:

      Ethics students at Carol City HS in Miami were taught about TM’s case. Very biased and should never have been taught in a publicly funded school. The site below is also brainwashing kids about this case and other topics.
      http://www.whatkidscando.org/featurestories/2012/04_trayvon_martin/index.html

      One teacher posted his lesson plan for his class on the TM case:
      “Tomorrow we will begin a formal discussion of Trayvon Martin’s murder in my classes.  As all my students are of the colors that causes them to experience police harassment and distrust in lighter communities, there won’t be much need for background.  We’ll read this article to establish facts, and then use the following protocol:
      Students are presented with readings (and sometimes video) on the event
      The class constructs a list of the facts of the event based on the texts and their knowledge
      The class lists questions that the event raises
      The class discusses the questions
      This will allow my students concerns and voices to dictate the class, as it should be in a case like this that affects them so personally. This “class” could take anywhere from a day to a week, and that needs to be the case.
      If I taught a more diverse group of students, I might use some of the readings below to help my students who don’t experience race-based discrimination on a regular basis.  This reading list also serves as a good list for white teachers who might not fully understand why people are so angry (I’ve had three such conversations in the past week).  Each article speaks for itself, and all should be read.”

      The article that he states his students will read (link doesn’t show up when I copy and paste) is a very biased article from the New York Times dated Oct. 30, 2012.

      Schools should not allow teachers to teach false and biased information to students and parents should be raising hell. Our tax dollars are paying these people to teach this garbage. Wrong, it’s just wrong.

      • jello333 says:

        This so-called teacher should be FIRED for this. Just disgusting.

      • jordan2222 says:

        Whoa!!! Beyond belief.

      • diwataman says:

        I like the other one to; “Carol City ethics students examine Trayvon Martin case”

        They teach ethics in H.S.? I’m surprised. So the teacher actually started the examination of the case in an ethics class with “shows a photo of Trayvon in a hoodie and asks “Suspicious or not?”

        But yeah, nothing like reinforcing in the minds of the black youth that every slight against them is because they’re black.

        • maggiemoowho says:

          Parents probably wouldn’t get any help if they had a problem with this ethics class. The Superintendent for the Miami Dade School district spoke at a rally for TM.

  4. smoothcriminal says:

    Passing on a commentary and link I know you all will want to weigh in on:

    From Big City Cops on facebook
    ONE FOR DISCUSSION: This is something which can be both beneficial and detrimental to our 2nd amendment and the way the govt, especially the current administration, treats it…

    How many of you we’re aware of this Florida Law?? And the ongoing fight over it in Florida’s courtrooms?
    ———————————————-
    “Should doctors be able to ask patients or patients’ parents whether they own a gun? What about health insurers, employers or health-care officials implementing the federal health law? Can they ask about gun ownership?”

    Before you go off on this…read the article… as it raises some good questions based on medical issues…

    As we all know, the misleading manipulative mainstream news media hates the thought of an Armed Nation, obvious by the way it misinforms the people on gun issues…

    If a crook uses a gun to murder people, or if a gun is accidentally discharged and it injures/kills an innocent, it’s presented in the news as THE GUN being evil… and the ban-guns chant begins…

    But if an Armed Citizen legally protects himself/others by use of a gun, then the story is hidden…

    So… may a doctor “ask about guns if it seemed relevant to a patient’s medical care or safety – for example, if a patient was severely depressed or experiencing violence in the home?”

    And…may an “employer-sponsored wellness programs ask people about gun use or storage? Such questions might be posed as part of a questionnaire that asks about risky health behavior such as smoking and inadequate exercise. Likewise, health insurers can’t use gun ownership, use or storage as criteria for setting premiums or denying coverage.”
    ——————————————-
    Can you see the dilemma here? On one hand, do we want to keep someone who’s deemed mentally unstable from being able to access a gun?

    And on the other hand, can owning a gun be deemed a “risk” by insurers??

    Consider the fact that soon, obamacare will kick in…do we want the govt doctors sharing our gun info with the same govt who wants to disarm the nation??
    ——————————————–
    Let’s keep it reasonable…

    http://www.king5.com/health/Medical-questions-about-gun-ownership-come-under-scrutiny–181205401.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

    • Chip Bennett says:

      No. It’s none of any medical practitioner’s business whether or not I own a gun. The only time a medical practitioner needs to know about a gun is if I show up with a gunshot wound.

      Any form of gun-ownership registry is an unconstitutional violation of privacy, and a potential impediment to free exercise of second-amendment rights.

    • nameofthepen says:

      smoothcriminal says: “Consider the fact that soon, obamacare will kick in…do we want the govt doctors sharing our gun info with the same govt who wants to disarm the nation??”

      Kudos, Smooth C! Great catch! Another very well-camouflaged assault on the 2nd Amendment. :shock:

  5. maggiemoowho says:

    Hi all, I just added a Gravatar and wanted to see how it looks. It was time to say goodbye to my old toothy diamond head gravatar given to me by Word Press. I’ll miss the little guy. :lol:

  6. I checked out the Miami Herald article today. I am outraged that they would print such garbage, as George Zimmerman is selling his autograph! How does this get by editors? I hope people will post their comments to the article, which is easy to do if you are already logged into Twitter.

    George Zimmerman to sell autographs to pay expenses

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/28/3117444/george-zimmerman-to-sell-autographs.html#storylink=cpy

    I hope Mr. Zimmerman sues the reporter and the Miami Herald, “That’s what you get!”

  7. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    Breaking News 16-year-old arrested in Tampa security officer’s slaying
    (More proof that teenage thugs are NOT innocent “children”)
    http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/nov/28/14/police-questioning-potential-suspect-in-security-o-ar-578236/

    • Knuckledraggingwino says:

      I could make my customary comment about the bastard sons of Obama, but it seems pointless. My question is: will the African-American community support holding this thug accountable and perhaps engage in some introspection about the culpability of their culture or will they use racism and guns as scapegoat?

      • selfdefenseadvocate says:

        KDW, imo, it is not likely there will be any changes. People have been brainwashed since Malcolm X (remember him?) and his ilk started the black power “movement” . We are living in the “gimme & entitlement, you owe me” world.

        • nameofthepen says:

          selfdefenseadvocate says: “Malcolm X …and his ilk started the …’gimme & entitlement, you owe me’ world.”

          Selfdefense, I believe you are quite mistaken about Malcolm X. He wanted his people to stand strong and independent from any sort of “AA”. He recognized welfare to be debilitating, demoralizing, degrading, and ultimately destructive to his people.

          “Malcolm X Was Against Affirmative Action and Welfare ”
          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a9_1178512785

          • selfdefenseadvocate says:

            nameofthepen, Please stay in CONTEXT and do not put a spin on what I say when you quote me. Please do NOT misquote me by using … [Ellipsis] to spin (twist) my words. I NEVER said Malcolm X was for anything except Black Power. PERIOD. I never said anything about Malcom X promoting welfare. Perhaps you don’t know it, but Malcom’s younger brother is a well known social worker in Michigan though- a different avenue than his brother’s to attempt to get people off welfare. I can’t remember if he was a Wolverine or a Spartan… From your attempt at correcting me last night on a different thread, apparently you are not familar with those terms though… But I am a double Wolverine.

            • nameofthepen says:

              selfdefenseadvocate says: “Please do NOT misquote me by using … [Ellipsis] to spin (twist) my words.”

              1st gripe: Sorry if I misunderstood the juxtaposition of brainwashed, Malcolm X…and his ilk, and, the “gimme & entitlement, you owe me” world, all in the same comment.

              Actually, I still don’t understand the distinction you are claiming.

              Now, 2nd gripe: Yes, you are right about my not being familiar with those terms “Spartan” and “Wolverine”, other than the standard definitions. (Maybe that was the problem on that other post you have mentioned.)

              Ha ha…I just googled. Are they football teams? :lol:

              • selfdefenseadvocate says:

                I wasn’t aware that I needed to write a term paper, using paragraphs for a blog. Are we all being graded or just me? I’m glad that you know how to google. WOLVERINES rule! Sorry, I did make one mistake in facts – I used present tense for Malcom’s younger brother in Michigan in my previous post. He is no longer in Michigan- hasn’t been for years, but he was was still there in early 1980s . Yep, I juxtaposed more stuff. Deal with it. :razz:

                • nameofthepen says:

                  selfdefenseadvocate says: “Deal with it. :razz:”

                  Oh, thanks. I already have. I gave it all the consideration it deserved.

                  Have a nice day. :)

              • jello333 says:

                That’s what I assumed he was meaning, the two biggest schools in Michigan. U of Michigan (Wolverines) and Michigan State (Spartans). But I still don’t know what he was getting at.

                • nameofthepen says:

                  Hey, Jello! I meant to tell you I really liked your last couple postings on the “Ryan Julison Response” thread today! :)

                  • jello333 says:

                    Thanks. I figure I better be quick about posting something as soon as it pops into my head, because otherwise you’ll post the same thing before I get a chance…. considering the way you and I have had the same thoughts within minutes of each other several times recently. ;)

                • selfdefenseadvocate says:

                  Jello, when I first started posting here, I kept seeing Wolverines and I asked what it meant because as a University of Michigan Alum. I have always considered myself a Wolverine. Others on here said they had wondered what it meant also, but never asked. I thought (perhaps mistakenly) that I was welcome here and that made me a “double wolverine”. I was corrected when I said “double wolverine” and told that it is a “pack” of wolverines.

                  • jello333 says:

                    We’ll get along fine, just so long as you’re not from Michigan State. ;) Here, I’m gonna show my age: I’m still mad that Magic, Greg Kelser, and the other idiots beat (with help from the refs) Bird’s Indiana State. Yeah, back in ’79, and I’m still holding a grudge! ;) No, but seriously, I eventually got to where I liked Magic quite a bit, and he and Bird became good friends. I knew Larry personally (not close, but on a “Hey, how’s it going?” basis) when he was at ISU. We even lived in the same student housing building he did, for a year. (Heh… too much information, I’m sure.)

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    This thread is too controversial for me but, just in case the Wolverines issue was not finalized, Wolverines is sort of like a code word for Patriots and originated with the original classic movies, “Red Dawn.”

                    I use it often in my signature because it invites questions.

                    WOLVERINES!!!

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Knuckle – Will the AA community admit they have a violence-problem with THEIR OWN CHILDREN. I don’t think so. They held a rally in Philly, with Dick Gregory, to discuss violence. It was called, “Trayvon Martin” JUSTICE discussion – with Tray-mom speaking. (Held in October). They are totally BLIND to Black violence, and BLAME ALL WHITES FOR IT – AND THUS BLAME GEORGE ZIMMERMAN FOR IT. That is NOT how you solve the Black-on-Black murder problem. But they wish to blame everyone else – but themselves.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Self – Yes, call in Crump team. The dead security officer was WHITE, and Larry Brown was BLACK. This has to be a “racial incident”. Crump will collect the “ebidence”, and hold a thug riot. After all the security officer must have PROFILED the “child” Larry Brown. (Eye Roll).
      +++++
      TAMPA –
      Police arrested a 16-year-old in the slaying of security officer Michael Valentin, a 38-year-old husband and father of two young children who was killed last week while on duty at the Grande Oak Apartments on East Hanna Avenue.

      Larry Donell Brown, 4803 Arapahoe Court, is charged with first-degree murder. Police said the teenager has a rap sheet that includes a dozen felonies, most for violent crimes.

      Brown is initially being charged as a juvenile, but police are going to ask the State Attorney’s Office to charge him as an adult.

      The teenager shot the security officer while trying to rob him, police said. Brown was arrested Tuesday on a charge of stealing a handgun police said was probably the one used to shoot Valentin. The murder charge was added late Wednesday.

      “It was extraordinary police work,’’ said Tampa police Sgt. Bill Todd. “The detectives from the homicide squad and from District 2, the FBI, the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office, worked hand in hand, working to overcome any obstacles.’’

      Valentin was armed when he was shot but his gun was still in the holster when his body was found. The security officer was shot in the “upper body,’’ police said.

      Brown was also charged with attempted armed robbery in connection with the murder, two counts of armed robbery in connection with the ATM cases, and grand theft of a firearm and being a felon in possession of a firearm as a result of investigators saying he stole a Taurus 9 mm firearm from someone in Hillsborough County. Todd would not identify the owner.

  8. Dexter says:

    I wish they’d get to the ping logs. Trayvon Martin took a long time to get back from the 7-11, considering DeeDee claimed he ran, and spent only two minutes under the mail thing. This just doesn’t agree with the 7=11 time stamp and the dispatcher call. Trayvon should have been long gone before Zimmerman showed up.

  9. Hugh Stone says:

    HMMMM.

    Judge signs subpoena for Trayvon Martin’s school records

    “court records made public today show that defense attorney Mark O’Mara did not present the necessary paperwork to the judge until yesterday, ”

    Anyone have the paperwork mentioned in this article.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-school-subpoena-20121129,0,3589364.story

    • diwataman says:

      When lord O’Mara is good and ready maybe you’ll get, as you can see he is busy with court stuff like filing subpoenas a month after the court gives him the go ahead. Maybe after the trial he’ll get to DeeDee.

      • sundance says:

        D-Man, send me an email please. Thx.

      • hooson1st says:

        diwataman:

        I agree that the delay is disconcerting.

        However, if you just consider the amount of data and sleuthing done here at the CTH over the past months, it is a monumental task to collect, correlate, prioritize, corroborate all the facts and insure their accuracy in a form to present to the court. MOM does not have the resources of the state. Each deposition has to be prepared for, taken, and analyzed – and done so within the context of what is known and in a certain chronological order so that the case be presented in the strongest possible light. The discovery deliveries have to catalogued, analyzed and reviewed. Investigators have to be tasked and managed.

        In a case this intricate, the possibility for error on some details is great. Someone has to be in charge of marshaling it all. MOM cannot do it all alone, so of course, he delegates this out to his assistants. Same goes for West et al.

        The way that attorneys handle this is to prioritize their discovery requests so that they are not swamped in a deluge of discovery material on all different angles.

        Compared to ping records and etc, TM’s school records, while important, are of a lesser priority in the scope of things.

        • waltherppk says:

          YGTR …..the ping logs and really the complete cell phones forensics report and phone accounts related investigative report in its entirety should have been a PRIORITY of the initial investigation AND the initial discovery to establish that even a prima facie case existed to indict and prosecute George Zimmerman. I believe it could even be reasonably argued that such a thorough forensics and investigative report regarding the cell phones ought to have been done as a prerequisite for an arrest warrant, given the fact that other evidence which is exculpatory tends to support the claim of the accused that the homicide was justified and that no evidence to contradict that claim exists to provide probable cause for an arrest. Not having and not producing the investigative reports concerning the cell phones is really some unacceptable quality bullshit level of incompetent and halfass investigative work, given that it is a homicide investigation, and such incredible omission is underscored even more because it is a high profile and intensely publicized case. There simply is no credible excuse for this kind of bullshit omission of forensics in a legitimate homicide investigation. It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to “get it” about this one. You either got to believe that suddenly all CSI’s and homicide investigators have gone stupid and don’t know how to do their jobs, or else you got to believe that the State is putting on a “witch hunt” as a theater of the absurd to placate a mob of irate imbeciles.

          • rumpole2 says:

            Surly the ping logs were obtained early on?
            Cory/BDLR simply have not released them?
            Why isn’t MOM screaming about that?
            Once we see them chances are we can all forget the case against GZ, get some popcorn, and watch the civil cases unfold?

            • waltherppk says:

              If the full and competent investigative report regarding the cell phones, including the ping logs was done as it should have been done in the initial investigation ….then you may rely upon it that such evidence is in fact exculpatory and has been suppressed as a psychological operations strategy in order to allow the State manufactured “witch hunt” spectacle and theater of the absurd to be continued to allow the passage of time ..a cooling off period…time for the mobs of irate racist imbeciles to simmer down. If the evidence was inculpatory then it would have been shouted from the rooftops by every propaganda ministry which has been pushing the false narrative of a race hate crime against a “poor innocent black child victim”. The propaganda ministries which are laughingly called the “news media” are simply apparati of the State which do their master’s bidding while presenting an illusion there is any actual journalistic diversity about their “messaging” …..except for aspects of Fox news and talk radio and some blogs most of the rest of the media is nothing but State propaganda ministries…….Big Brother trademark productions like Pravda bringing you the daily party propaganda from the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Amerika run by Chairman Mao ….er I mean Ayatollah / Directorate Presidente Hussein Benghazi and his likeminded “progressive” subversive fifth column Marxist pals.

      • jello333 says:

        I don’t know. Early on, I agree that MOM was a little (some times a lot) disorganized. But over the past few months, pretty much since demanding Lester’s removal, he seems much better. Especially now that he’s got Don West with him. So I just think that for whatever reason, they’re taking their time in making requests and stuff. I imagine there’s a lot of things happening behind the scenes before other things we hear about. Same goes for everything re. Dee Dee, the phone records (and ping logs), etc. This is all just a “feeling” I have about things… but for some reason, I’m no longer worried about MOM’s competence. And I never HAVE been worried about West.

  10. James F says:

    GZlegal posted the ORDER GRANTING ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENAS DUCES TECUM for school records on their site today, but where are the deposition notices listed at the clerk’s office that have not been posted anywhere yet?

    http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A

  11. A great response to the Miami Herald and Orlando Sentinel, both printed headlines that George Zimmerman is selling his signature:

    ……For those who look for opportunities to criticize George, we understand that the idea of sending Thank You Cards might be seen as an attempt to sell signatures to gain donations. To those who wish to criticize and ridicule, go right ahead. However, that is not George’s intent. It is presumptuous to assume that George’s signature is a valuable enough commodity to be an effective motivator for people to donate. Rather, what we hope motivates people is the ever increasingly undeniable conclusion that George is simply not guilty. He only did what he had to do to protect himself from an attack by an unknown assailant; a young man who broke George’s nose, bloodying it, and then got him on the ground and smashed his head into concrete, causing more injury……

    http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/63-regarding-the-new-george-zimmerman-defense-fund-and-thank-you-cards

    • John Galt says:

      The best part:

      George has been the target of a coordinated public relations attack designed to create the false impression that George shot Trayvon Martin because of racial bias, instead of self-defense — a public relations campaign perpetrated with the intent to manipulate the media and prejudice the citizens of this country against George through misinformation and emotional appeals. If a voice is raised with concern over profiteering, it should be tempered by two premises. Firstly, George and his family have been devastated by this event and left broke and displaced from their homes. That is a tragedy that should not be visited upon anyone who has yet to be convicted of a crime. It is the ultimate injustice when it is perpetrated on an innocent man. Secondly, if profiteering is a concern, that analysis should begin with those who crafted the misinformation blitz and racially charged rhetoric, shouted with reckless disregard for the truth, the result of which has been significant financial gain, not ruin. We speak not of the Martin family, who have suffered the tragedy of losing a son; we speak of the family’s handlers and attorneys.

      • hooson1st says:

        This last statement by MOM/West is a shot across the bow of Crump and Co.

        Note that MOM/West have been very deliberate in laying out their case. Unlike, Crump and Co. they have not gone off making all kinds of unfounded accusations. Rather, they have amassed a factual record, and only upon doing so, make a positive assertion about the orchestrated campaign against GZ.

        Some of this has been painfully slow to transpire for CTH denizens but it has to be done this way.

      • jordan2222 says:

        Bernie must be seething and chomping at the bit…shouting profanities.. maybe even frothing at the mouth. Hey Rumpole, can you create a picture of him doing that?

        • jello333 says:

          You’d think that by now we’d be used to just how out of touch with reality most supporters of the Scheme Team are. But every once in awhile, they still manage to surprise me. Like the past few days on Bigboi’s Twitter feed, people have been making a big deal about MOM/West not releasing any new info recently. Saying things like, “Hey O’Mara, why haven’t you released your discovery yet? It’s been your turn for awhile now, and the judge should tell you to hurry up.” Of course WE are anxious to see new stuff too… but for an entirely different reason. These people really don’t seem to understand that when MOM and West DO start releasing stuff, it’s gonna be very bad news for the prosecution. Phone records, school records, results of depositions, etc…. there are almost certain to be a number of “bombshells” in there that will destroy what’s left of the State’s case. And probably also implicate several people in a conspiracy.

          How can these people not understand that? Is it just a simple case of willful self-delusion because the truth is more than their minds can deal with?

          • jordan2222 says:

            For a while, there a bunch of them at HuffPo who were demanding MOM’s discovery when MOM had received very little. I provided links to show how the discovery process works in Florida and the time frame parameters for both sides. Then I tried common sense,,,, a huge mistake since they have none.

            I tried to explain that MOM’s depositions would be dependent upon all of the evidence he received and that he really should wait until that happened. Otherwise, witnesses could be deposed multiple times. They acted as if none of this mattered and blamed MOM for delaying the case. I pointed out that the State had withheld exculpatory evidence and that some of their evidence was “illegible” or incomplete. It made no difference.

            I think many of them there stopped looking at the new stuff. Their positions are rock solid. Anything new must be a lie.

            Of course, they all think there will be a trial. When I said several things will occur BEFORE there will be a trial and that there may never be one. I was challenged when I said:

            First, there will be a self defense hearing. A judge could actually take months before rendering a decision as has happened here more than once as it did in the Valrico case. (That one took a year.)

            Second: If the Judge rules against George, it will go to the 5th DCA for appeal.

            Last but not least: If that fails, it will then go to the Florida Supreme Court.

            Along the way, there could be many delays as a result of either party filing motions that require decisions before proceeding.

            That was much too complex for them and they said if George was entitled to all of that, then it is proof that “someone” is still pulling strings for George.

            I find it odd that they still believe that George’s father has “connections” to “get him off.”

            Generally, when I post over there, it is to provide updates with links and the law itself. They are still hung up on George’s self inflicted injuries when no injuries are required.

            II usually say I have no opinion at the end of each post.

            I have friends/fans there who know the facts of the case so I connect with them to find out what’s new. Some of them have interesting views and a few even find new stuff before we do.

            Lately, there have been a lot of folks on board who believe in George’s innocence so incredibly the tide has turned. Some of them have actually changed their positions and one told me he did after he followed me and read my posts. VICTORY for the Wolverines. I feel like I am one of the Tree House’s representatives over there.

            However, posting links to the Tree House does not work. Many will not read them and the Mods will often not let the posts go through so I use talkleft links when they are applicable. I have probably damaged Geralyn’s reputation by doing that. LOL.

            • jello333 says:

              “That was much too complex for them and they said if George was entitled to all of that, then it is proof that ‘someone’ is still pulling strings for George.”

              Sometimes you just gotta shake your head. These people have (presumably) lived in the U.S. their whole lives, and yet seem to know NOTHING about the Constitution. Or maybe it’s just they don’t CARE about it. And that’s cool that you managed to change someone’s opinions about the case. I’ve had that happen with some of my friends over the past few months. Feels pretty good, huh?

  12. david says:

    Breaking News! Shellie Zimmerman’s lawyer has motioned for dismissal of the perjury charge! http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-shellie-zimmerman-perjury-dismissal-request-20121129,0,7951118.story

    • nameofthepen says:

      david says: “Breaking News! Shellie Zimmerman’s lawyer has motioned for dismissal of the perjury charge!”

      Awesome! Great news. :D

    • rumpole2 says:

      Good news. It would help to get this side issue out of the way.. especially with Judge Nelson presiding over this matter as well as the main event.
      This is worth a shot, I guess…. to get off on a “technicality” over Corey’s mandate… it would also be nice if the charges were simply dismissed as frivolous.

    • justfactsplz says:

      Yes! That is great news, thank you. Shellie, I will be praying for this charge to be dropped. It should never have happened.

  13. arkansasmimi says:

    GREAT POINT CORESHIFT!
    coreshift‏@coreshift 10 hrs ago
    Neither Tracy nor Sybrina personally thank ppl that donate. Bad manners? Lazy? George #Zimmerman was raised better.

  14. arkansasmimi says:

    Strange, looks like a jail door to me, what yall think?(I know its a locker, just strange with the comment, since TM didnt have a job or did he?)
    +++++++++++++++++
    TRAY’S BIG BRUH‏@RIP_TRAY9 12:23 AM – 29 Nov 12 · Details
    «@RIP_MOMMY68 I Sometimes Think Of Tray While Opening My Locker At Work. R.I.P http://instagr.am/p/SmQaOhwzEj/ » that’s was up

    • jello333 says:

      Has there ever been a more widespread, elaborate, in-your-face fraud perpetrated against a single, private, no-name citizen in the history of this country? I’m sure that’s hyperbole… because there have been a few. But I think you almost have to go back to ’63 to find one any bigger.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        LOL I just saw a pix of BO and MObama boarding a AF One. :) From their back BO has HUGE Ears and MO has a WIDE LOAD tape across her butt which is streched sideways! then I read Jello333 comment “more widespread..” I guess now I really have good case of giggles going on :)

    • jordan2222 says:

      No way..

  15. arkansasmimi says:

    So wonder when/if CHUMP and the gNats have gotten in touch wif Jordon’s family yet? First post (as I posted last night gNat hasnt tweeted since Veterans Day, yet she has been DM on twitter :) )

    Natalie Jackson‏@NatJackEsq 3 min ago
    N the middle of a trial, praying 4 Jordon’s family & tired as heck BUT glad 2 C Tweeps R holding down the “Justice 4 Trayvon” fort…xoxo!!

  16. cajunkelly says:

    Found this on the “Liar’s Poker” link. I’ve sworn off the julison thread so I’ma post it here.

    Revealing, yes? Specifically her take on the job of a media relation company…hmmmm

    Natalie Jackson
    Tuesday
    PUBLIC ALERT: If you are like me, you probably don’t know what a “TROLL” is or that there are MEDIA RELATION COMPANIES and POLITICAL INTEREST GROUPS that EMPLOYS TROLLS to influence your beliefs.
    Here a short tutorial:
    A TROLL is one who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
    TROLLS accomplish this by posing as a member of the group which, in reality, they are opposed to and posting (for example) politically incorrect, racist, or elitist statements to inflame you into thinking that members of those groups think like them.
    The most effective way to discourage a troll is to ignore them, because responding encourages trolls to continue disruptive posts.

    • James F says:

      What have we here? Nasty Nat using the ‘r’ word to slander all who donate.

      I encourage them to bankrupt themselves by donating to GZ’s legal fund. Why? 1) I have nothing against O’Mara making more money and these fools having less of it and 2) I prefer my racist poor and powerless…they inflict less damage on society that way .

      http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/08/liars-poker-dealer-ryan-julison/

      • jello333 says:

        Cool. I’ve been trying to figure out some way I, personally, might have “standing” to sue in some kind of lawsuit again Scheme Team members. So maybe that’s it. If the real names of those of us who have donated to George are ever made public, then I can pretty easily show that Natalie Jackson has publicly declared ME a racist.

      • diwataman says:

        I think she meant “I prefer my WHITE racist poor and powerless…they inflict less damage on BLACK society that way .”

        “If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon, now where’s my pen to sign this executive order giving black people more stuff.” -Obama

  17. cajunkelly says:

    WOW….this is from GZlegalcase.com…in response to the insane accusations that he’s now selling autographs….*LOVE* the mention of the public relations campaign of his accusers.

    George has been the target of a coordinated public relations attack designed to create the false impression that George shot Trayvon Martin because of racial bias, instead of self-defense — a public relations campaign perpetrated with the intent to manipulate the media and prejudice the citizens of this country against George through misinformation and emotional appeals. If a voice is raised with concern over profiteering, it should be tempered by two premises. Firstly, George and his family have been devastated by this event and left broke and displaced from their homes. That is a tragedy that should not be visited upon anyone who has yet to be convicted of a crime. It is the ultimate injustice when it is perpetrated on an innocent man. Secondly, if profiteering is a concern, that analysis should begin with those who crafted the misinformation blitz and racially charged rhetoric, shouted with reckless disregard for the truth, the result of which has been significant financial gain, not ruin. We speak not of the Martin family, who have suffered the tragedy of losing a son; we speak of the family’s handlers and attorneys.

    • jordan2222 says:

      They are finally getting aggressive. Who is the writer? Sounds like Robert.

    • nameofthepen says:

      cajunkelly says: [quoting from GZlegalcase.com] “Secondly,..that analysis should begin with those who crafted the misinformation blitz…”

      “…those who crafted the misinformation…”

      Ha ha hahaaa…. I love it! :twisted:

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