Disposable – Maintaining The Guise That “Was” Libya….

He told them the TRUTH, al-Qaeda was thriving….  They can’t allow that.

“Islamic extremism appears to be on the rise in eastern Libya,” the ambassador wrote, adding that “the Al-Qaeda flag has been spotted several times flying over government buildings and training facilities…”

CBS Report: U.S. Had Predator Drone Over Benghazi As Attack Happened, “They Stood, And They Watched, And Our People Died”…  [...]

CBS News has been told that, hours after the attack began, an unmanned Predator drone was sent over the U.S. mission in Benghazi, and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

The State Department, White House and Pentagon declined to say what military options were available.  (read more)

WASHINGTON DC - Across 166 pages of internal State Department documents – released today by a pair of Republican congressmen pressing the Obama administration for more answers on the Benghazi terrorist attack – slain U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and the security officers assigned to protect him repeatedly sounded alarms to their superiors in Washington about the intensifying lawlessness and violence in Eastern Libya, where Stevens ultimately died.

On September 11 – the day Stevens and three other Americans were killed – the ambassador signed a three-page cable, labeled “sensitive,” in which he noted “growing problems with security” in Benghazi and “growing frustration” on the part of local residents with Libyan police and security forces. These forces the ambassador characterized as “too weak to keep the country secure.”

In the document, Stevens also cited a meeting he had held two days earlier with local militia commanders. These men boasted to Stevens of exercising “control” over the Libyan Armed Forces, and threatened that if the U.S.-backed candidate for prime minister were to prevail in Libya’s internal political jockeying, “they would not continue to guarantee security in Benghazi.”

Roughly a month earlier, Stevens had signed a two-page cable, also labeled “sensitive,” that he entitled “The Guns of August: Security in Eastern Libya.” Writing on August 8, the ambassador noted that in just a few months’ time, “Benghazi has moved from trepidation to euphoria and back as a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape…The individual incidents have been organized,” he added, a function of “the security vacuum that a diverse group of independent actors are exploiting for their own purposes.”

“Islamist extremists are able to attack the Red Cross with relative impunity,” Stevens cabled. “What we have seen are not random crimes of opportunity, but rather targeted and discriminate attacks.” His final comment on the two-page document was: “Attackers are unlikely to be deterred until authorities are at least as capable.”

By September 4, Stevens’s aides were reporting back to Washington on the “strong Revolutionary and Islamist sentiment” in the city.

Scarcely more than two months had passed since Stevens had notified the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and other agencies about a “recent increase in violent incidents,” including “attacks against western [sic] interests.” “Until the GOL [Government of Libya] is able to effectively deal with these key issues,” Stevens wrote on June 25, “the violence is likely to continue and worsen.”

After the U.S. consulate in Benghazi had been damaged by an improvised explosive device, earlier that month, Stevens had reported to his superiors that an Islamist group had claimed credit for the attack, and in so doing, had “described the attack as ‘targeting the Christians supervising the management of the consulate.”

“Islamic extremism appears to be on the rise in eastern Libya,” the ambassador wrote, adding that “the Al-Qaeda flag has been spotted several times flying over government buildings and training facilities…”

The documents also contain evidence that the State Department’s denials of requests for enhanced security in Benghazi in the months leading up to 9/11 may have contributed to the ability of the attackers to plan their assault on the consulate and annex grounds without being detected.

“I’ve been placed in a very difficult spot,” said Eric A. Nordstrom, the regional security officer who testified before a House hearing last week, in a February 12 email to a colleague, “when the ambassador [Gene Cretz, at that time] that I need to support Benghazi but can’t direct MSD [a mobile security detachment] there and been advised that DS [Diplomatic Security] isn’t going to provide more than 3 agents over the long term.”  (read more)

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80 Responses to Disposable – Maintaining The Guise That “Was” Libya….

  1. stellap says:

    And this from the New York Times:

    Experts Fear Looted Libyan Arms May Find Way To Terrorists


    NOTE: This article was published in March of 2011, although it was linked today on Lucianne.com.

  2. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    As someone who has actually done unspeakable things to people, I can draw reasonable. Inferences from the large amount f blood staining the toilet. In comparison, the whicker chair scene in Casino Royale was humane. No wonder BHO did not allow the families to view the mutilated remains of their loved ones.

    • Josh says:

      “No wonder BHO did not allow the families to view the mutilated remains of their loved ones.” Do you think BHO has a soul? Think again! It should not have been his call (if it was) what the families could do. It should have been the decision of the families. They know what they can handle.
      Earlier someone asked what was in the caskets? – not a bad question…

    • Josh says:

      Sorry but regardless of what you may have done in the past for whatever reason you sound like a reasonable and yes compassionate person.
      Barrack Hussein Obama will never, ever measure up to the person you are today.

    • Bette says:

      Yes, but those pictures do not square with the reported cause of death of for Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith being smoke inhalation. Supposedly they were in the safe room together, correct? Are those pictures of the toilet from the safe room? If so, I go back to my earlier post that they were tortured either in retaliation or to extract information related to the secret CIA ops they were involved in.

  3. Josh says:

    Dad of US bodyguard ‘blown up twice’ in Benghazi says State Department should admit mistakes
    (very similar article already posted, I know)

  4. Josh says:

    Benghazi Hearing: Looking for Truth Amidst a Partisan Divide, Outing OGA, Zingers

    RSO Nordstrom:
    “We were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident.”
    “How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through.”
    “For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building.”

  5. Josh says:

    Documents add to evidence of security fears before attack on US consulate in Benghazi


  6. Josh says:

    Wall Street Journal (posted this morning)
    “Limited Security in Benghazi, Secrecy Over Safe House, Contributed to Tragedy” – ya think!!!

  7. yankeeintx says:

    I just reviewed this video of Ambassador Steven’s body in the Libyan morgue. (Warning)


    What I just noticed is that you can see that he is still wearing the grimy t-shirt. Originally they reported that the Libyan doctor worked on him for 90 minutes, but that has now been whittled down to 45 minutes. I understand thier procedures might be different, but I find it hard to believe they worked on him for 45 minutes and didn’t cut off his t-shirt.

    Hillary immediately said that he was brought to the hospital by the “Libyans”, but did she know that because she watched the video? Did they bring him to the hospital because a dead hostage was worthless to them?

    It has been claimed that he was at the hospital by 1 am, and that they used his cell phone to reach other Americans by using redial. So who was it that they reached? Not only do we need to see the video from the compound but we need to see the video from the drone too.

    • Josh says:

      We also need his phone records.

    • Sharon says:

      This goes without saying for you and all of us–but by the long shot chance that any of those who are family or friends of Ambassador Stevens might come here–I’m going to say it. The sharing of such photos absolutely does not reflect any disrespect for him or his body. Anyone who may distort the sharing of the photos to mean that is lying about our hearts and our thoughts.

      We are outraged that the value of his life has been disregarded, tromped on and lied about by this government, both before and after his death.

      • yankeeintx says:

        Thank you so much for adding that. I feel that it is out of respect for our fallen Americans that we seek the truth. Our POTUS, Clinton, and Rice lied to us, and we want answers. All of us here are searching through all available evidence, one piece at a time, to try and put together the real story. I find it sad that we even have to attempt this because our gov’t won’t tell us the whole truth.

  8. dizzymisslizzzy says:

    I call BS on the story that the WH was notified via Stevens’ personal cell phone.

    Does anyone really think his phone was not password protected?

  9. sybiljx1 says:

    It may be helpful to get a screecap of the hand print and smear down the wall of the same area as the bloody toilet. (3:00 mark)

    What are the red marks on his chest where his t-shirt has been pulled away from his neck? (1:20)

    I’m also curious why the unbuckled pants appear quite wet but not the t-shirt. (1:38)

    Was he wearing shoes when pulled from the building?

    • You just made me recognize something. Those trousers he is wearing are suit trousers. They have a specific waistband buckle that allows the waist band to expand and contract. (think rented tux) This means he was in a suit, which makes sense because he just finished a dinner with the Turkish diplomats. However, when he retired to his room he never took off the suit trousers. Might be nothing – Then again, depending on his particulars, if he was a detailed guy he would probably retire the entire suit upon relaxing, not just the jacket…. prolly nuthin’.

      • sybiljx1 says:

        It could be something. I’ve been wondering what he was wearing when summoned from his bedroom, and how much time there was to get to the safe room. What’s the emergency protocol?

    • ctdar says:

      I think his pants are wet in that particular spot because he is deceased and just a normal bodily function upon death.

      • sybiljx1 says:

        Quite possible. I thought about that, but the pants are saturated in back and side, but only slightly wet in front. (Why the unbuckled pants?)

        The theory that he was already dead blows the hospital story right out of the water. (Wouldn’t be surprising.)

        Amazingly there were so many camera phones and so few images on the web.

    • ctdar says:

      Ok wow, this is first time ive seen this video “uncut”. It looks like Stevens is wearing shoes when coming thru the window (feet looks shiny) and his pants are definately wet in back area. I’m wondering with the red mark on shoukder blade, the bloody toilets and wet clothes could he have been electrocuted? Also with the heavy smoke those trapped could have taken refuge at the water source. Didn’t Bret Beirs report reveal that the men were laying on the bathroom floor where could get some air?
      What i find even worse is that the video clearly shows the attackers faces yet still after 5 weeks there has been no justice or answers and IMHO will never be because the Obama administration including State, DOD, CIA & the FBI don’t care. For the families and the rest of the country to be forced to wait until after the election is just plain treasonous.

      • Jan.C says:

        It seems to me most or all of the players in that video except our dead ambassador are celebrating. I’m absolutely sickened.

      • Oh snap. You said electrocuted.

        Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ! What were the 17th feb inside compound peeps armed with?

        Tazers !

        Could it be?

        • ctdar says:

          Stevens has that red mark on his right collarbone also there was red spot on left side of forehead maybe a electrical contact spot with all that water as extra conduit? Or another view, what about dunking head in toilet as form of water boarding and bowl would leave marks on head & upper body.

        • sybiljx1 says:


          (Blue Mountain) British firm secured Benghazi consulate contract with little experience

          …”We were in uniform, unarmed except for taser guns and handcuffs,

          • ctdar says:

            Hah sybil just saw yours…,great minds, great minds :)

            • sybiljx1 says:

              Yep! We are on the same page.

              I woke up with a creepy feeling…

              • You and me too…. :( He ain’t dead – he could quite possibly be unconcious, possibly from shock. Wetness on back and side from bathroom floor water. Set him on toilet then release from restraint by cohorts as taser dart fired. He convulses, body falls to floor, seems unconcious. Use sink to splash water on him to revive – repeat again as needed…. til shock induced coma makes him unable to be reawakened ?????

                Then body abandoned, no longer useful…. just take the damned safe with them instead of trying to open. All of this takes time…. up to hours….. plausible.

                What I can say wth 50% confidence is your suspicion about that collar bone wound does align with a moderately penetrating taser dart. Modest blood trickle, and burned tissue around the area of dart entrance.

        • woohoowee says:

          “…the 17th feb inside compound peeps…”

          And Sean Smith noted their guards snapping photos of the compound.

          • sybiljx1 says:

            17th February, Blue Mountain, or both??


            A few hours earlier, Smith had posted, “assuming we don’t die tonight. We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures,” he recounted.

            • woohoowee says:

              Hunch sez it was both! And this wicked Administration continues their lies and coverup. Mrs. Smith has the right to know how her son died. All the families do, if they want to. Hoping that someone has the decency to tell the families, in person, before all the videos come out. Sneaking suspicion Al Qaeda has plenty of videos. Would hate for the families to see it on television before proper notification.

              Obvious that this Administration does’t have the decency to do the right thing, but perhaps someone in Congress or one of the agencies involved will step up and do the right thing.

  10. sybiljx1 says:


    Defiant insider: Benghazi attack clearly planned

    The Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned and “not spontaneous,” a U.S. intelligence official has told The Washington Times.

    The official’s statement rebuts news reports that there is no evidence the attack was planned, even as the intelligence community says al Qaeda-linked militants carried out the deadly assault. The official, who is not authorized to talk to the news media, asked to remain anonymous.

    The U.S. intelligence official, who has access to a wide swath of reporting from various spy agencies, told The Times that a few days after the attack, “We looked at it and said, ‘There is enough information here. There’s a body of evidence here that we resolvedly say, tells us, that this was not a spontaneous attack.’ We adjusted our assessment.”

    Bart Bechtel, a former CIA operations officer who supports Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, said Mr. Clapper’s immediate assessments “stretch credulity.”

    “Clapper had to have known the true situation,” Mr. Bechtel said. “However, the White House and State [Department] went out ahead of the [director of national intelligence] and put out the official administration propaganda signaling the line they intended to take. Clapper could follow along or look for another job.”

  11. ctdar says:

    Ohhh Bret Baier show being repeated NOW on fox

  12. Sharon says:


    Speaking of debates and liars and the need for light….praying that wisdom and light and strength and whatever he has used to confront liars in board rooms in the past will be very, very strong in Mitt Romney tomorrow night. God bless him and make time slow down as he hears the lies, so that the Liar doesn’t get by with anything.

    • ctdar says:

      I don’t buy that story, too neat & tidy also by Time Magazine; convenient this story comes out night before last debate which is all about foreign policy.

    • recoverydotgod says:

      I didn’t see the Time article mentioning “a Libyan guard employed by the Americans opened the rear gate”.

      Libya Attack Probe Unfolds as U.S. Politicians Pin Blame
      By Christopher Stephen – Oct 2, 2012 10:53 PM PT



      Gunfire erupted shortly before 10 p.m., according to a Libyan-American witness who was among the patrons at the popular Venezia restaurant across the street from the compound’s rear entrance. He asked to not be named for fear of reprisals.

      The witness said he watched a group of eight to 12 men armed with automatic weapons and a rocket launcher gather at the rear gate, displaying the black flag of Ansar al-Sharia, a Benghazi Islamist militia.

      “Some people with beards and Kalashnikovs were standing there,” he said in an interview. “The guys from Sharia were there; they had their flags.”

      Shortly afterward, the witness said, shooting began at the compound’s main entrance, which he couldn’t see, and then a Libyan guard employed by the Americans opened the rear gate. After some shouting, several attackers opened fire with Kalashnikov automatic rifles and a rocket-propelled grenade.

      “Another guy used an RPG,” he said. “Ansar Al Sharia guys, they fired the RPG, no doubt; I saw it.”


      Here’s a couple other links by the same journalist.



      The Venezia cafe, Benghazi’s plushest nightspot, sits across from the bullet-riddled back gate of the burned-out consulate compound. Since the attack the diplomats who used to eat there are gone. “They used to come every day,” says Mahmoud Ged, an Egyptian waiter with a nervous smile. “I don’t know when they will be back.”




      I got to Benghazi on the 13th, as the first reporters began picking their way through the detritus, and stayed on to watch the anger against the militias build among the population — along with indignation over the failure of police to show up and investigate the crime scene. (The image above shows the deserted consulate building as it looked last week.)

      Plenty of people had a view of the dozen armed men gathering outside the back gate just prior to the attack, and all were adamant that there was no protest. The first the witnesses knew of the attack was the sound of gunfire from around the front of the embassy, followed by an attempt by a Libyan guard to escape through the rear. He was ordered back inside by the armed men who, say the witnesses, then fired through the back gate.


  13. woohoowee says:

    It appears that the soot overlays most of the blood in the still bathroom pics, just like the grafitti overlays the bloody fingerprints on the outside of the house. Blood came before fire.

    Odd that there is no soot on part of the rim of the bidet in the bathroom pic. The only blood on the bidet that doesn’t have a soot overlay is in the area with no soot. A bleeding body prevented soot deposits there?

    • ctdar says:

      Bleeding body also means person was alive

    • sybiljx1 says:

      Wish we know exactly where that “hand print that had slid down” was in relation to the toilet and bidet.

      • woohoowee says:

        Looks like soot covered blood/liquid running down the wall behind the bidet. Curious the video doesn’t specify the place on the wall the “hand print that had slid down”.

      • Mirror? Looks like Mirror to me. Where are bathroom mirrors? Behind sinks?…. just throwing it out there…

        • The CNN reporter says was on the wall in the same “area” as the blood on toilet. She calls it the safe area bathroom.

          • woohoowee says:

            Any chance of putting the pics w/ the bathroom handprint and the bloody fingerprints on the column outside, next to each other? Just for approximate finger size comparison?

        • sybiljx1 says:

          Great job! Need to look closer at Stevens’ right hand. Could be Smith’s, too.

          (That image really hits me.)

        • ctdar says:

          Ok im up once more (we are so close) & if i sign off suddenly it means DH has seen the glow of the screen!
          anyways I am sure the handprints were shown above the bidet on maroonish tile at normal height if one was lined up like a police order of “hands against the wall” . I remember seeing the AC360 show the night it aired (SD think you did too & we had replied to eachs comment) I was shocked because the film showed the prints as they were and previously we had only seen bloody handprints on the wall outside. I believe I mentioned the prints in the post that night but I don’t know where to find that whether they are under Benghazi heading or the daily thread. If we could see original film AC360 that night, bet it would have the handprints on wall when camera panned room as I remember & not the photo “insert”.
          Sybil you are right the “phone” in mouth of terrorist holding Stevens seems too thick to be a phone & possibly taser but yikes would he really hold it in his mouth?

          • ctdar says:

            Found the exchange under
            The plot thickens… of 10/2
            ctdar says:
            October 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm
            (Copied from Tues Open Thread):
            Ugh I’m watching Anderson Cooper & reporters took pictures from the benghazi consulate bathroom and toilets are covered with blood as well as handprints on wall
            Reporters said Obama administration/FBI still not on scene
            Has an entire frickn administration ever been impeached? I’d say throw them all infront of congress
            sundancecracker says:
            October 3, 2012 at 4:47 am
            Your comment made me stay up late to watch the re-run…. and yes, sickening does not begin to describe the feeling. Those pictures they took inside the consulate are beyond alarming…. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ?
            Who says treepers need sleep!

  14. So far review plausibility leads to conclusion of unconcious but not dead when dragged out of window. Unconcious or shock induced coma. What is absolute is the guys pulling out the body ain’t good samaritan Libyan peeps trying to help. No way. Their might have been some later, but these window dragging guys are regarding Stevens unconcious(?) body as a trophy…. of sorts. Some of them appear creeped out thinking he is dead. Others seem to confirm he ain’t dead yet.

    Maybe these tasers were what actually killed Sean Smith? Tortured for Safe Combo? He dies, they turn to Stevens for same and overdo it? He dies as a result of a shock induced coma… body shuts down organ by organ, system by system, over time…. I know this sounds gruesome but unfortunately all dots align as plausible.

    Can we identify the type of taser we know the guards to have posession of?

    We know there was several hundred thousand $$$$$ in that safe. Robert Baer confirmed that weeks ago.

  15. dizzymisslizzzy says:

    How come when the guard went back in he found Smith but did not find Stevens?

    • The personal guard left window, returned, found smith but did not recover. Story is he tried, failed and went up to roof where he collapsed calling radio for help from building B and TOC. The annex team (woods / doherty et al) were the ones who found and recovered the body of smith and put in SUV. But did not find Stevens. Methinks Stevens was in the bathroom or held by bad guys already. (just a guess)

      • dizzymisslizzzy says:

        This is what State said:

        They drive to the part of the building where the agent had emerged. He’s on the roof. They make contact with the agent. Two of them set up as best a perimeter as they can, and the third one, third agent, goes into the building. This goes on for many minutes. Goes into the building, into the choking smoke. When that agent can’t proceed, another agent goes in, and so on. And they take turns going into the building on their hands and knees, feeling their way through the building to try to find their two colleagues. They find Sean. They pull him out of the building. He is deceased. They are unable to find the Ambassador.

  16. sybiljx1 says:

    Back to the video when they are pulling Steven’s body out.

    1:05 Is that the same bracelet that the guy is wearing in the picture where he’s smearing blood on the pillar/wall?

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