Obviously there is considerable differing opinion within the construct of the Martin V Zimmerman encounter. However, in an effort to better understand the logistics involved here are some visual aids. It appears that many of the differing opinions can be answered with a simple review of the geography.
The narrative(s) are included from the eyewitness statements “John”, as well as the 911 phone call and timeline.
Entire 911 call Transcript:
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. …
Zimmerman: Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. [A] This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He’s [unintelligible], he was just staring…
Dispatcher: OK, he’s just walking around the area…
Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK…
Zimmerman: Now he’s just staring at me.
Dispatcher: OK–you said it’s 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That’s the clubhouse… [A]
Dispatcher: That’s the clubhouse, do you know what the–he’s near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He’s got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. Shit he’s running.
Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?
(Sound of Truck Door Opening/Closing)
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. [E]
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance [E] …fucking [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George…He ran [F].
Dispatcher: Alright George what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: [XXX-XXXX]
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright
Dispatcher: Where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house [A] and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes [B], that’s my truck… [C][unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I…[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes [B] then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [XXX-XXX-XXXX]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You’re welcome
Now look at the layout again:
As indicated in the 911 transcript, the first place Zimmerman saw Trayvon was near the “clubhouse” [A]. Which he identified to the Police operator as the “best address I can give you”.
The sidewalk [F] was where Trayvon eventually ran but not until after walking past Zimmerman’s truck [C].
Zimmerman's truck would have been in a similar location "C" to the red car pictured here. The "cut through" sidewalk leading to gate "E" is straight ahead between the buildings.
Zimmerman was talking on his phone to police when Trayvon walked past looking at him. Zimmerman drove a little way, parked, then walked toward the “back entrance” gate [E]. Zimmerman told dispatch he thought the person was headed to the “back entrance”.
The cut through sidewalk looking back toward Zimmerman's vehicle which would have been parked "C" in front of the red car pictured. From this angle the back entrance gate "E" is behind you.
Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon because Trayvon turned right down the path [F] toward home [D]. Zimmerman told the dispatcher he had lost sight of the person while continuing toward the gate [E]. That was when the operator asked him “are you following them, because we don’t need you to do that”, to which Zimmerman replied “OK”.
Standing at "E" looking back toward the SUV and the Sidewalk "F" which is on the left from this angle. Trayvon ran down this sidewalk "F" where Zimmerman lost sight of him.
Zimmerman explains in his statement that Trayvon then approached him as he was returning to his SUV. [Zimmerman would have been walking with this above perspective back toward his SUV]
According to Zimmerman Trayvon approached from his “left rear”, which makes sense if you look at where Trayvon ran [F], and where Zimmerman was returning from [E].
Sidewalk "F" which leads to Brandy Greens house [D
Witness “John” stated the guy in the red jacket (Zimmerman) was on the bottom, and Trayvon was “pummelling” him from above. He warned them both he was going in to call the cops, and then proceeded inside to the telephone.
Dear Fellow Patriots,
We assume that a Grand Jury cannot indite Mr. Zimmerman predicated upon specific statutes of of Florida state laws.Accordingly, if and when an announcement is read vindicating Mr. Zimmerman immediately we can expect a barrage of racial rhetoric.The proverbial fear mongers Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP and the NBPP. will claim that the seated jury was not representative of the people and as such was compromised..
Knowing how this could ultimately play out I think it important to be able to present in advance the function of a grand jury.More specifically the form of the jury, the selection processes and ultimately how they arrive at a verdict? How many jurors will there be in the jurors pool? How will the court separates those that appear to be prejudicial? How many potential jurors can be challenged by the attorneys? How will evidence be presented? how is the jury moderated? How is the verdict reached.and is the vote based on a majority vote?
Why I believe this is important is because most people have no comprehension of the function of a grand jury and/or the inner workings of same.Thus, if we do not know the exact function of same we cannot logically and factually defend the entire process..We must defend the rights of the judicial system regardless of how the Grand Jury finds.Yes, it does have it’s nuances and quirks but for the most part is a functioning body that must not be compromised.
Accordingly, this case will place our judicial processes under considerable scrutiny and there are many whom would advocate without any basis of fact that this system should be destroyed.
Thus, in defense of the Constitution and the Judicial System any and all information that could be presented on this site I would regard as beneficial to all readers.
Thank you, in advance for your cooperation and consideration with this matter.
..
Yes it’s important that Zimmerman receive real justice… not “street justice” but as Yank III said in another thread we can’t let this monopolize our attention. We have a crucial election coming up and a traitor poised for re-election. We must focus our energies on throwing the biggest enemy of American freedom out with the trash. If we don’t, Zimmerman will only be remembered as the beginning of the end.
Barnslayer, I agree with you, but, taking it a step further I do not want the Zimmerman case to be the catalyst for Obama’s re-election or the basis for destroying our civil liberties.We do not want false narratives and/or propaganda perpetuated.in this case any further. Wherefore, the fear mongers and the President are utilizing this case to monopolize the main stream media with a purposeful intent of ultimately legislating new governmental laws.The adoption of new legislation once passed will continue to impede and oppress us in our daily lives.and one by one our rights will continue to be eliminated.
We, being all the people have something to fear and that is the perpetuation of propaganda by the present administration, the main stream media and the Democratic Congress.The newest Executive Orders recently passed by Congress virtually allow Mr.Obama to suppresses any and all forms of civil unrest and/or protest and combined with other legislation under the Terrorist Protection Act we do not have any expectation of privacy within our lives or homes.
While we should not dwell on the Zimmerman case and concentrate on the re-election of a new President presently the two are purposely being intermingled.
They are inter-mingled. But that is possibly by liberal left design. If put into proper perspective would wouldn’t be devoting so much time to it. The left is using it to attack the Second Amendment but so was the Mexican gun-running and the UN anti-gun agenda. This is about pushing out of the spotlight topics more damaging to the oblamer administration. We can’t let them repeatedly dictate the major topics. Stand up against gun-grabbers by all means but I feel this mostly a smoke screen.
barnslayer said, “we can’t let this monopolize our attention. ” Too late.
Distractions and executive orders have taken almost all the energy of normal Americans now for over 3 years. The only volitional act we can take in the middle of the mess is choosing which thing is going to monopolize our attention, desperately desiring to understand which ones are make-or-break.
Like Rush said when President Gray was elected, there was no way that was going to put an end to the demands of the rayciss black muckrackers. Neither will proving that Zimmerman is guilty (or not) end their demands.
We obviously know what the reason for the riots will be if he is not arrested and convicted (with or without a trial). The reason for the riots will be, “See! We told you there’s no justice when blacks are killed.”
If he is arrested and convicted, with a trial, and sentenced to life for first-degree, premeditated, hate-based murder, the reason for the riots will be, “See! We told you that everybody who’s not black is out to murder everyone who is black. Let the riots begin. Signs, knives, brass knuckles and debit cards for posting bail will be available at 4pm today at the Safeway store parking lot.”
In either case, there will be riots. And they will have their reason.
See how that works? It won’t matter who wins this round. The phrase “the fix is in” applies to almost every public/federal issue right now.
I think it fortunate that Zimmerman’s dad is a former magistrate (2000 to 2006 in Virgina). He understands the law and EVIDENCE and will not let his son be a victim of Sharpton’s, O’Donnell’s, and MSNBC’s “pitchfork justice.”
I am doing my part. For the last week I have been defending Zimmerman all over the Net. Where it really gets heated is on Huffington Post, where it feels I am the only one who knows what really happened. The zealots on that site don’t give a rat’s pittoot about evidence and what it all PROVES (that Trayvon was the aggressor).
They continue to buy into Al Sharpton’s LIES, told daily on his show. For example, as recent as Friday, April 6, Al told his audience that “there’s the affidavit from the lead detective who wanted Zimmerman charged, but the State Attorney told him to back off.”
Sounds nice, except that the lead investigator Sharpton and O’Donnell (The Last Word) are talking about said no such thing, and did not prepare any affidavit. Sharpton keeps saying this despite the lead investigator’s name being common knowledge since he was interviewed on March 16 by the Orlando Sentinel.
The lead investigator Sharpton (his name is Chris Serino) is referring to went on the record, LITERALLY, in a March 16, 2012, in an interview with the Florida newspaper. This supposed affidavit-producing detective said during the interview:
1) He was the lead detective in charge of the case;
2) He did NOT meet with State Attorney Wolfinger that night;
3) He did NOT write an affidavit (the one Al Sharpton keeps saying he wrote);
4) Wolfinger did NOT tell him to back off on the Zimmerman case; and
5) He never opined, and no one in the department ever concluded, that Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter;
6) His investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account – that he had acted in self-defense. “The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event. Everything I have is adding up to what he says.”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency
To be clear this reply is to Michael — I want to let you know, that I, too, am a regular poster on Huffington Post. I feel your “pain” 100%. Facts mean nothing, and indeed, “no one gives a rat’s patoot about the evidence”, and indeed, full of zealots who in MY opinion, are there for a fight IF you disagree with them. (sound familiar?) Also, have you by chance noticed that if you disagree with a one, ANY one, on so called Team Trayon, you are a racist and every other name in the book but your own? There was one person there all afternoon making threat after threat against Zimmerman (for if/when he is set free regardless of how) and the Moderators, for a LONG while, were letting those posts through.
Doesn’t get any clearer than that. The kid should’ve just went straight home.
Any decent kid would have. This one was trouble waiting to happen. If it didn’t that day it would have during some other incident.
There were 5 people shot in North Tulsa(predominantly black community), 3 killed, 2 injured. The only suspect as of now is a white male driving a white pickup.
The National Socialist Movement is in Sanford now. http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php
I’m really afraid that Obama and his left wing media and his accomplices, the black caucus, Sharpton and Jackson have gotten their wish. But hey if we’re talking about blood shed or race wars we’re not talking about Obama.
In the meantime everyone keep safe and if you have a concealed carry, don’t leave home without it.
This is awful news. I sure hope Obama doesn’t get what he wants. All we can do is speak out, and pray!
Note to nazis. We don’t need or want your help. I prefer my comrades-in-arms not be retarded.
Barnslayer… just wanted to point out that I have an original WWII poster of your avatar. It is one of my most treasured Winston Churchill items.
We would all do well to heed his message.
I hope that they get an early arrest in that case. It is an unjustified incident.
The story about the Neo Nazis in Sanford is fake. Totally made up.
Like you said SD….
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/
So who started the rumor? That will tell me why.
I had the above link sent to me in an e-mail and from everything I’ve read that’s the initial source.
Sorry guys didn’t mean to spread rumors.
Nah, don’t apologize. It’s ok. Sometimes there are stories like this that gain main stream legacy media attention and everyone gets suckered.
Just an fyi, that is one of the reasons I wait to post info on some subjects in threads. But don’t ever let that deter you from sharing an article or information in the comments.
Michell, nothing against you. I was wondering who wrote it in the first place.
Forgot the link to the story in Tulsa.
http://www.newson6.com/story/17351841/tulsa-police-three-dead-in-unprecedented-shooting-spree
I had to let you out of moderation. Stupid WordPress won’t put any comments through if they have the word “sh00t” in them.
I wondered why some posts automatically show up and some say waiting for moderation.
I agree about it being awful news and Obama getting what he wants.
I’m worried though it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
How about ‘pop a cap tn they asses’? Is WordPress innercity thug sensitive?
Apparently not!
“Police have very little to go on.” Is the most telling sentence in the story, looks like the news station, eager for market share, has taken this bone and run with it. Note that we have the ‘white man in a white pickup truck’ reference with NOTHING to connect how they got from ‘no information’ to a cracker in a Chevy. Let’s see how this plays out, cities with low homicide rates tend to overplay initial reports. I remember one wag who, within minutes of the Oklahoma City bombing, saying that a black group had claimed credit for the bombing – that one got buried in a hurry. News trolls know that, in a charged situation, most of the public does not remember what was said, their main interest is in getting information (not facts) to handle the moment they are living in.
I don’t mean to sound insensitive and this is horrible what happened and the person(s) responsible need to be caught and locked up and given a lethal injection. But hearing of a black person or even persons killed in North Tulsa is not unusual, although it is unusual for it to be spread out like this. The only reason this is becoming such a huge story is because a white man was mentioned as the only possible suspect right now and that’s unclear exactly who that came from. At first it was a white man in a white pickup, now it’s a white man in a white SUV or at least that is what a family member of one of the survivors is saying. People are saying it’s because of Trayvon, but if it is a white man it could just as easily be because of the elderly white couple in North Tulsa where the woman was beaten and raped and later died and her husband was beaten and shot in the face with a bb gun. They immediately said it wasn’t a hate crime.
The local NAACP president is saying his people are being hunted. Saying our african-american males are not going to allow this to happen in one breath and then in the next saying we have to quell those feelings of let’s get someone. We can’t let this get pushed under a rug. When the city councilman for that district was asked if blacks were being targeted he answered, Yes absolutely.
This is horrible whomever did it to just gun down people in cold blood and the person is evil but imho throwing fuel on this fire is not very responsible. Needless to say I won’t be going to Tulsa in the next few days though.
I live about an hour and half away from Tulsa, so that is where I get my local news. Something that really ticks me off about Jack Henderson, the city councilman is awhile back there was a shooting at the Chicken Hut in North Tulsa. This young man was shot multiple times. Over a hundred people were there because of some kind of special they were having. Yet only one person bothered to call 911. They were literally stepping over his body at the walk-up window to get their food. When EMS arrived they were pushing them out of their way to get to their food where they couldn’t even get to the victim. All of these people claimed they didn’t see anything. Only one person would offer them anything and that was a relative to the victim who said it was someone in a blue jacket with a hood. If Henderson was ever on tv talking about I don’t remember it. This man is like serving his 5th term and he does very little for his community. I can’t recall him having a comment on any shooting in North Tulsa before. They actually had a man who ran against him this last time who lost his son to crime in North Tulsa and that was what he was running on to do something about the crime in the neighborhood, yet they re-elected the loser.
Another horrible crime that was committed by blacks in Tulsa on the east side in a park. Two white kids, a boyfriend/girlfriend, were executed by two blacks. They ambushed them then robbed them and executed them. If that wasn’t horrible enough the next day after the bodies were discovered, less than an hour after they discovered them one of the murderers actually gave an interview at the park to a local news station. He said something about how sad that was with these people dying and stuff where he takes his kid to play. After he was arrested everyone was sickened that he could do that. I don’t ever remember hearing Henderson giving any comments. Sorry, I’ll quit ranting now.
Michell,
this is all food for thought. I had no idea, BUT, I am not surprised.
The race-baiters will carry on a treat if one of their race-baiting bunch gets killed, but they remain silent over what is happening when the victims are white.
The atrocity that was committed on the elderly couple is absolutely sickening. If the perpetrators have not been caught then people need to start making a fuss.
As for this current crime, it does not sound like the witness is all that reliable. He or she should at least be able to give a description of the car. It is never right for anyone to behave in that way.
Please note: this is nothing like the Zimmerman/Martin case, where there was a struggle for the gun…..
It kind of reminds me of a song from the movie Chicago where there is a description of one of the murders and “they both went for the gun”…. which of course is not true.
They’ve arrested the two responsible. The 19 year old who is more native american Indian than he is white sounds like he was really depressed. His Father was killed two years ago by a black man while trying to protect his daughter. In January he lost the Mother to his baby. Reading his facebook, he sounded like a very depressed young man. The other man was his friend who reading his facebook sounded like either a gang banger or a wanna be gang banger. Sadly from reading through their facebook neither of them are pillars of the community.
My guess is the 19 year old was probably severely depressed over not only his fiance but the anniversary of his Father’s death and more than likely they were drinking or doping and decided to pay back some people. I found an old news article and like is usually the case in North Tulsa people refused to cooperate and help the police when his Father was killed.I’m not in anyway condoning it and they need to pay but the man who killed his Father was never charged with murder only pointing a firearm and drug charges. So imo it was a combination of depression, built up hatred for the loss of his Father and probably drugs and alcohol that led to this needless killing.
oh my….. this is very sad…. I am not sure that it was depression, so much as it was an internal anger that was bubbling up inside of him… especially when there had been no justice over the death of his father.
His case is just as sad as the case in Sanford, but with a twist…. the 19 year old’s father was killed by a black man you said…. and there has not been justice… no one arrested…. how is that in any way different from the Sanford case.
You said he lost his girlfriend…. did she die or leave him?
From what I can piece together from searching out old news stories and reading his facebook before it was took down, his sister lived in an apartment in deep North Tulsa and had gotten into an altercation with someone. Her Dad went to her apartment and this black guy and him got into a verbal altercation and the black guy shot him killing him. He was eventually arrested, but never from what I can find charged with his murder, although he is in prison for pointing a firearm and drugs and will be out in 2014.
I haven’t been able to learn how his fiance died, but they had a new baby and from his facebook he was raising the baby on his own. He made many posts saying how much he missed her and loved her and didn’t know if he could go on. He even had one picture posted of her obituary, DL and pills.
Not long before the shootings he had written people were talking s#it about him and people would be going to another funeral. His friends were begging him not to do something stupid. He said he wouldn’t because his son needed him. People are going to play it as a race crime because he said his Dad was killed by fing n!&&er, but I think it went deeper than race. Depression over his fiance, anger over his Dad and it sounded like both of them possibly did drugs from reading some of their friends pages. The other one apparently had broken up with his girlfriend and was being kept from his kids.
You can still read Alvin Watts’ facebook, but most of their friends have removed all posts related to them on their pages or made their pages private. I think Watts had a lot of anger. It’s all sad and that little baby has now lost both parents. The local news media and politicians and NAACP are still screaming hate crime. Of course nobody is thinking about the dangers of what they’re doing and honestly I don’t think they care because they have an agenda imo.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/alvin.watts2?sk=wall
This explains what I was trying to get across better than I can. For those that don’t know, Turley is less than 1/2 mile from where the shootings took place. It once was a little town made up of mainly whites and Indians, it still has those races although many of them have moved farther north to Sperry and much have Turley has been annexed into Tulsa. So in other words England was raised with blacks.
Also notice though the last paragraph and the comment by the city councilman. I know for a fact the police are trying their best to keep a lid on the powder keg and he’s trying his best to light the fuse.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/08/tulsa-police-reportedly-make-2-arrests-in-north-tulsa-shootings/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews
BTW, having watched Inquisitor Generalis Holder and his hand-picked crew of calificadores personally go after a friend of mine I can give a good guess as to how the judicial process will go. Regardless of what the local grand jury finds the Feds will go after him on civil rights charges. They will research all of the people involved in great detail, looking for one or more whom they can target and scare the living sh*t out of and forceto roll on Mr Zimmerman, even if their testimony’s somewhat less than the truth. This will usually take the manner of telling the targets that the Feds have unlimited funds and can bankrupt them with legal fees. They’ll say the’ll ruin their lives through press releases, they’ll lose their jobs and the notoriety they will receive will ensure they won’t find another job for years, if ever. They’ll say how the targets, sans jobs and income, will lose their houses and how the stress will cause their spouses to divorce them. To those who do not know the huge numbers of incredibly detailed Federal laws there are on the books – look it up. They’ll hit the targets with a storm of charges such as lying to a Federal agent, hindering prosecution, wearing brown shoes with a blue suit, it goes on. My friend was hit with at least a dozen charges that were mostly finely parsed takes on a single item. Their plan is to shotgun charges, hope that one or more sticks, and in any event to make your lawyer eat up so much time that his charges will ruin your finances for decades. The Feds will make sure that the jury meets their definition of the Greater Metropolitan Statistical Demographic. This means they’ll reach out as far and wide as they can to make sure the jury pool includes a goodly number of the jurors they are looking for. In my friend’s case they wanted jurors from the areas of the US Court’s Eastern Disrict that were not as effected by Katrina as were the New Orleans area residents, they felt that those who really suffered in Katrina would be less likely to suborn the lynching they were planning. In the end he was cleared of all charges and even the trial judge issued a rebuke to the persecution – opps, the prosecution. My friend had been cleared of any wrong-doing by a state court when the Feds came after him in the same matter on civil rights charges, after some local reporters and a Usual Suspects group went to DoJ in DC and demanded a lynching – opps, justice. He is clear but still has a mountain of debt to show for this, a prime example of how an out-of-control govfernment can use its resources to circumvent the spirit of the Constitution. Watch and see what Holder & Company do to Mr Zimmerman.
I was in a similar situation as Zimmerman’s, except I was in a shootout with armed robbers who were in a shootout with a local 7/11 owner who had been robbed the night before.
That morning I was getting my usual orange juice and powered doughnuts (I know, don’t lecture me) and I saw the owner with a 45 ACP on his waist holster. I asked WTF and he said statistics show that robbers will hit a place a second time because the victims don’t think they will get hit twice. He said he was ready for them when they came back.
That night as I was leaving my job I exited on to the street across from the 7/11. I looked inside and thought what the hell is going on. As I focused I could see that the robbers were at one end of the store, my friend the owner was at the other, by the register. I could see, but not hear, each had their guns a blazing.
Since I was making night deposits I had a Browning 15 shot 9 mm in my trunk. So I got it and told my co-worker to get the fcuk out of here, in my car. I’m serious, I was thinking at the time I did not want bullet holes in my car. LOL. (Or is that pathetic.)
Anyway, when the robbers exited they shot the 7/11 owner in the head. I’m standing in the middle of the street and I say what I saw on TV “Halt or I’ll shoot.” The two robbers see me in the dark, but they can see where I am at, and they start shooting at me. (I know, dumb, spare me.) So I shoot back of course because I was taught “don’t point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it.”
Later people said they heard about 50 shots, they are probably right, because I unloaded my entire clip. The robbers fled in their car.
Turns out I got one of the robbers in the chest and another in the leg. They made it up to Seattle (from the San Francisco Bay Area) and had to go to the hospital, knowing gunshot wounds result in the police being called. They ended up in prison.
Point is, in all the shooting someone’s car got shot up, albeit the passengers were not hit. While everyone was saying I was a hero and saved the 7/11 owner from sure death, the car that was shot up was filled with immigrants who understandably were freaked out and pissed off.
Fortunate for me the wave of support was in my favor and I did not have a situation like Zimmerman’s where someone was killed and there are racists using Martin’s death to advance their racist agendas and narratives. I could have very easily been in Zimmerman’s situation, people pushing for my going to prison, even though they were not there that night and did not see the robbers shoot the clerk in the head.
Of course I was lucky too. Turns out the owner was only grazed on the side of the head. Because he was a small business owner he showed up the next day his store open for business. He had a huge turban looking bandage on his head and he was talking up a storm about his John Wayne shootout.
Strange but true: When I went by the store the next day I could see it was open and he was manning the fort. So I went in fully expecting him to thank me and for us to talk about the night’s events. Turns out when I walked in he did NOT know that I was the one in the shootout. I asked him what happened and he went into John Wayne mode and said “Me and this guy last night were in a shootout with robbers and we showed them.” I asked him for the play by play and he gladly recounted what happened.
I left the store without telling him who I was, moved to go to college and never saw him after that morning. I never told him I was the one who saved his life (I should have, probably would have got some free doughnuts).
Sad, but true: About five years later the restaurant I was managing (and for which I was making night deposits) the owner fell on hard times, sold his restaurants, and went back to managing the same type restaurant. One night robbers hit his shift. He ran outside after they left so he could get their car plate. Turns out he ran too soon outside. A robber shot him once. It hit his femoral artery and he instantly bled to death. Like Zimmerman, I wish he had a gun on him. Maybe the outcome would have been different.
Anway, it is with these experiences and other situations that I wll fight for Zimmerman anywhere I can on the Net. (Defending Zimmerman on liberal websites is quite daunting. No matter the EVIDENCE those people believe in only one thing, what I call “pitchfork justice.”
THANK YOU FOR THESE WEB PAGES. It is good to see there’s people defending common sense, justice, and not letting the likes of Sharpton (of Tawana Brawley fame), O’Donnell (who is motivated to act because he is dating Tamron Hall), NBC (the doctor is in, as in doctored evidence) and MSNBC (who is 24/7 advancing a racist narrative) get away with railroading this fine man, Zimmerman.
Thank you for being a normal human, Michael. It’s refreshing with all the contrived garbage about our fellow Americans that we read daily. Oh, and welcome!
Michael, Wow, that sounds like a seriously unnerving experience.
Thank you for sharing.
It has been a goal with the Trayvon posts to show the side of the story the Legacy Media fails to present. Obviously they have an agenda, and unfortunately a large swath of the citizenry don’t recongize how manipulated the media is. I believe that’s what leads to the entrenched ideological disconnect between sheeple leftists and those who are willing to look at a subject objectively.
The ability to confront your own biased narratives is a challenging undertaking. As we have seen from volumes of site visitors since we began researching the true story of Trayvon V Zimmerman there are many incapable of such inward perspectives. It’s easier for them to follow the herd.
Welcome to the Treehouse and thanks again for sharing your experience and perspective.
Michael that is some story. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
How deluded are Trayvon supporters?
When the enhanced ABC video came out showing injury to the back of Zimmerman’s head some people (who had on the previous Friday said “look at the police dept. video, there’s no injury to Zimmerman’s head, that proves he is a liar”) said “Obviously Zimmerman banged his head on the concrete so he could back up his story.”
See what Zimmerman is up against. There’s no talking to these zealots.
These racists don’t CARE what the evidence is. There’s money to be made here and they intend to make it.
And if they can use it as a rallying cry to scare folks then they can try to push their “common sense” gun laws and a federal law is needed to stop states from passing stand your ground laws.
Not to mention if you’re talking about racism, race wars and gun violence, you’re not talking about gas prices, bad economy and failed policies of Obama.
Bingo. Distraction.
That’s why I get so mad about this. They don’t care that their political agenda could cost lives, could cause a powder keg to blow. I include the media in this because without them it wouldn’t work and they’re happy to oblige because not only does it fall within their own political leanings it brings them ratings and in turn money.
Take this shooting in Tulsa, you have a guy who clearly has pent up anger due to his Father being shot and never charged with his murder, you add his depression and you add in day after day, night after night you hear how Trayvon/Zimmerman is a hate crime. I’m not saying it had anything to do with it and it could have just as easily been a cop, a woman, etc. who took his Father’s life and him ending up killing cops or women. I can see though how it could have pushed the anger to the surface. If it ever came out that pushed him over the edge I doubt very seriously any of the media or politicians would admit the blood on their hands instead they’d shout it from the rooftops that it was a hate crime and proves how serious racism is and how dangerous guns are.
Bingo, Michell, I think that you have the possible for trigger in the Tulsa case… and yes…. I think that the media is responsible for what he did. I look at it this way, he had pent up anger over his father’s death, especially when the black man was not charged with murder.
Once again this is a minority person up against black justice.
I have a cousin that is a pastor, he was telling me one time about this Father whose teen daughter was murdered by an illegal Mexican. He was arrested but a stupid judge allowed him bail and he disappeared probably to Mexico. He said this man was so full of anger and would tell him he had to fight the urge to kill every Mexican he saw because through his anger he saw every Mexican as probably one who helped his daughter’s murderer escape justice. He never acted on his anger and was something he battled for a long time and it took a lot of counseling and prayer to overcome that anger. Anger is a stage of grief and sometimes a stage people get stuck in. I can see how someone full of anger and pain could act on that anger and pain with a little push. So I could see how this young man who would have been 17 when his Father was killed still be filled with anger and hearing everyone screaming for justice for this black kid and ask where was everyone fighting for justice for his Father and not thinking rationally and that being the push he needed.
It doesn’t excuse taking lives and I believe he should have to pay the ultimate price, but I can see how the race baiters could have been responsible for pushing him over the edge.
I have been talking to DH about getting my CCP. It makes him uneasy, but he is bringing up some valid points, so the discussion will continue.
If you want help let us know what his valid points are.