West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin was on every Sunday talk show today (CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox) responding to his reversal of position on the Build Back Better legislative package (Green New Deal spending) that is part of the senate budget reconciliation bill. There is something very interesting in his justification. [Do not skim read this, all citations included]
Fox News Brett Bair does the best job challenging Manchin on his prior statements saying there would be no spending deal without first seeing the August inflation data. [LINK]. Manchin never answered that hypocrisy directly but says there are two components of the deal, two parts of a new future legislative bill, that brought him to the agreement on the $370 billion current spend.
The current Senate bill is a reconciliation bill, meaning it involves taxes and spending – AND ONLY taxes and spending, because the bill originated in the House.
The constitutional framework for taxes & spending requires the House to originate all spending bills. If a desired additional measure does not involve taxes and spending (a budgetary impact) it cannot be added to a reconciliation bill. The senate must originate a new bill and then send it to the House.
According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claims he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claims there are “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview.
Now ask yourself…. What leverage would Senator Manchin have over Biden, Schumer and Pelosi that would ensure they would not double-cross him?
There is only one Occam’s razor answer:
Joe Manchin threatened to switch political parties if any of them reneged on the deal.
The NBC interview with Chuck Todd questioning Joe Manchin is very interesting. It is actually the best interview of all five conducted, in part because it seems like Chuck Todd has full knowledge of the Manchin threat component.
Manchin was challenged in three of the five interviews about this promised future legislative component. In each of the interviews Manchin affirms and reaffirms there would be consequences if Schumer, Pelosi and Biden try to renege on the deal. However, it is the Meet the Press Chuck Todd interview that really gets in deeper and overlays some sunlight on this issue.
WATCH at 04:03 of the video below, Chuck Todd has knowledge of the “deal” in detail and pushes Manchin on his “consequences” statement. Then watch the very end of this interview (09:05) when Chuck Todd tries to pin Manchin down on the importance of Democrats holding the Senate. Chuck Todd knows the unspoken threat that Manchin outlines as consequences.
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Chuck Todd knows the “consequences”. He tried to pin Manchin down. Manchin obfuscated.
You put it all together and it starts making sense.
Senator Joe Manchin cut a deal for removal of regulatory roadblocks to current energy programs and expanded energy development. Schumer has to generate the legislation permitting faster investment in current oil, gas, coal. Nancy Pelosi has to pass it in the House. Joe Biden has to sign it and change EPA/Interior Dept policy. In exchange for that, Joe Manchin has agreed to the $370 billion green new deal energy spending programs.
If Schumer, Pelosi or Biden renege, then Manchin switches parties and the Senate flips into Republican control immediately. That’s his leverage.
Someone needs to ask Manchin: (A) what is the timeframe for the new legislative package; and (B) is this an accurate assessment of the “consequences” he outlined.
Here’s the other interviews:
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https://youtu.be/EL7SsWH3HgE
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The lynchpin.
Sorry, but Brett Bair’s interview was a complete fail. He never challenged Manchin’s claim that the bill wasn’t inflationary and second, he let Manchin lie about the tax increases as simply closing loop holes.
Who cares if he switches parties? After what he just pulled? He is not welcome except by Mitch McChina and his 12 Rinos.
You are right ultimately, but Schumer would not like losing his prestige. That isn’t enough to stop the left as a whole, but it is some price.
They don’t CARE about ‘prestige’, its ALL an ACT.
When they are feighning outrage, is when theycare going for their oscars.
Clearest example of what they all do, when the cameras are on; remember the 2-5 minute dressing down diatribe Lindsey did, at the end of Kavanaugh?
8months later I talked to an Az precinct captain who said he had long despised Lindsey, but THAT “turned him around” and he now “liked” Lindsey.
I then pointed out to him that 2 weeks after that dressing down, Lindsey was working with those SAME Dems, to craft legislation for a National Red letter law, and pushing it at PDJT (who promptly put the kibash on it, by saying he would look at it, which had many hear threatening to stop supporting him, remember all this?)
Here is a precinct Captain, supposed to be paying attention, totally decieved by a contrived sound bite.
We have to do better than this,..
If manchin switches parties, it gets interesting if they 25th Biden. The new VP could be someone of McConnells choosing. While I don’t expect Mitch to pick a solid maga candidate, it could change the dynamics. Too crazy. If I was manchin, I wouldn’t Trust pelosi or Schumer as far as I can throw the Washington monument.
Good point. I did not think about the impact on that situation or the line of succession
Being a DIRTBAG has become the political standard, across the board..
Look at how rich all of our representatives in DC. have become.
They are more concerned with themselves, than that of the country and it’s people.
And nobody is surprised by that reality. The question is how do we fix the problem? Answer: THROW THEM ALL OUT!
can’t unless PDJT does a George Washington March on the red coats from Jan 2023 to Nov 2023.
No. The Patriots did not attack the Redcoats in the major cities they controlled and where they were strong. They confronted them when the Redcoats came out to where the Patriots were strong.
I doubt that Washington had read Sun Tzu, but he plainly understood some of the same principles.
“Politics is NOT a career you would choose, to become rich. Not unless your a crook.”
Paraphrasing Kari Lake.
PDJT LOST $, since the escalator ride.
No doubt KL could have made more $, by staying in broadcasting as well.
Sounds like a cover story to me. If GOP takes House and Senate as expected in midterms, Pelosi & Schumer won’t be ushering any bills thru congress.
1. Does switching parties really matter, if he votes 75% of the time with the Democrats?
2. Doesn’t another $375M just spur more inflation?
Impossible they won’t do something to gum up the works, on purpose.
If he wants to be the Face of the Party – to preserve his own greed – after Biden destroys the brand – then yes we can TRUST HIM to do whats best for him, which is best for us
I picked 60 votes since that is the magic number for most bills to advance. For budget and most appointment votes it is still 51 votes to advance/pass.
Who would even want Manchin?
After suffering through decades of John McCain behaviors, I have had enough prima donnas to last me a lifetime.
He’s insufferable.
He straddles the fence so often that he’s rubbed raw in the crotch.
he can be your insufferable pawn
To quote the great man J. Wellington Wimpy, “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.
I would have thought Manchin was smarter than that. Unless a bill has been passed and ready to drop on the president’s desk, all the promises in the world are worth less than a plugged nickel when it comes to politicians. The most famous example was Reagan getting rolled over promised border control if he signed the amnesty.
I don’t get it. Vote for the green new deal and will carve out coal and other dirt. If we don’t then switch to R. Of course they won’t. So switch but don’t. Somebody(s) lieing.
Consequences?
I am now supposed to believe Lyin’ Manchin’ ????
Another grifter is bought and paid for by the guy who thinks he is the world-renowned scientist but drops out of college and steals other people’s stuff to enrich himself with a “little” help from his Eugenic believer father.
There is only 100 days left. This deal doesn’t make sense unless Manchineel feels he is in trouble.
Manchin might be more helpful if he stayed Democrat after Republicans win back Senate.
If Dems win either House or both, Jan 6 going to look like a neighborhood gathering.
I want for you to be right, but I have no hope.
Problem – Reaction – Solution
I don’t see them making an honest effort to expand oil, gas, coal mining. What ever happens from there, I don’t think it will matter much either way. They’ll pass their bloated wet dream spending bill, spread the money around the club. If Manchin becomes a repub, will that really matter?
Really, we’ve been down this road before…shovel ready jobs, solyndra. Is this the bill that expands the IRS? Great idea. Obozo 3.0.
While I have no faith in the Uniparty-R, November may leave Manchinations hanging by his short hairs. A Uniparty-R sweep would leave him with no power over anyone and relegate him to the dustbin of senate history.
Joke is on us. Schumer et al already knew the Senate will be under token Republican control in 2022. Manchin was just angling for the best deal for himself while selling out the country.
I believe the Republicans will be handed a very narrow margin in the Senate, likely 52 seats. Which means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things since the Deep State’s RINO puppets are in Senate leadership positions.
I’m going with “MONEY TALKS”
Or the Left kept digging until they found something to use to control him. He has that weird look of fear in his eyes that I’ve noticed in politicians more and more these days, usually right before they commit an act of treachery.
Since he apparently has that whole traitor thing down, why not? He’d make a fine Republican. He’d fit right in as he sold us all out to the globalist cabal.
Well.
I’m throwing the flag on this one.
The real “deal” is that: A)Manchin will go out and lie about there being this phony pretend “deal” with leverage and consequences; and, B) if and when he is forced to “threaten” to switch, a new “deal” (they are already crafting) will pretend to give a little token relaxation of the attack on fossil fuel production in exchange for something big like a nuclear option to pack the Supreme Court or make Puerto Rico a state.
REMEMBER, the Demoncrats are ALWAYS LYING.
BTW, its a certainty
that McConnell is in on these deals.
According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill. DID HE REALLY THINK THEY WERE GOING TO ABIDE TO THIS. WHAT A FOOL.
Do these people REALIZE how much money a billion dollars really is? Now they’re talking about a “new” package of 739 billion for the US taxpayers to pay off. This is insanity defined.