Wednesday September 23rd – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. citizen817 says:

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  2. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    A Twofold Purpose

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    Have you ever noticed the wording of the majestic statement with which the Bible opens?

    “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1).

    It does not say that God created “the universe,” but “the heaven” and “the earth.”

    This is because God had a special purpose for the earth quite distinct from His purpose for the rest of the universe. This purpose concerning the earth and the nations to dwell upon it is progressively revealed in the Scriptures. We look forward to its glorious consummation when “the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” — when the Christ who was crucified here shall come into His right, reigning as King of kings and Lord of lords.

    But God also had a very special purpose concerning heaven which He kept hidden in His own heart of love until man’s sin and rebellion had reached their climax. Then He stooped down, saved the “chief of sinners” and used him to make known the wondrous secret of His purpose to offer to sinners everywhere, salvation by grace through faith alone, reconciling them to Himself in one body by the cross and giving them a present position and a future prospect in the highest heavens.

    God’s purpose concerning the earth and Christ’s reign upon it is the subject of prophecy (Luke 1:68-76), His purpose concerning heaven and our exaltation there with Christ is the subject of “the mystery” (Eph. 2:4-10; 3:1-4). Into these two great subjects the Scriptures are basically divided.

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
    69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

    70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

    71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
    72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
    73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
    74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
    75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
    76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

    Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
    2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
    3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
    4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “But God also had a very special purpose concerning heaven which He kept hidden in His own heart of love until man’s sin and rebellion had reached their climax”

      In order for the bible to be understood properly, it tells us the divisions have to be made.

      2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      The purpose of this is so that people do not try and apply things meant for those living in other periods of time. One of the best examples of this is found in Mark 16, where we read:

      Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

      This will be true and these signs will be necessary during the time of judgment upon the earth before Christ’s physical return, also known as the “Great Tribulation” or “the time of Jacob’s trouble” or “the 70th week of Daniel”.

      The greatest division, which must be made, is between prophecy (Luke 1:70, see above), given to the nation Israel; and the mystery, revealed only to the apostle Paul for the gentiles (other nations).

      Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

      Something “kept secret since the world began” absolutely cannot be the same as something “proclaimed by the prophets “since the world began”.

      Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

      Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


  3. citizen817 says:

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  4. Feisty Hayseed says:

    MUST WATCH VIDEO: Kyle Rittenhouse — The Truth in 11 Minutes
    The #FightBack Foundation has published an eleven-minute video explaining the Kyle Rittenhouse case with brand new details.
    The video fills in viewers with more details about what happened that fateful night in Kenosha and more on the teenager’s history of volunteer and charity work.

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    • Margot says:

      Thank you for posting this, Feisty. I watched it yesterday and it is a very powerful piece of video and an excellent tool for demonstrating the truth of what happened to Rittenhouse.

      Fortunately, Rittenhouse is alive and has excellent legal representation. But as I commented elsewhere, Jake Gardner was not so fortunate.

      “The narrative was clear: Gardner had to be obliterated, to send a message to Americans that the same will happen to them if they try to stand against mob violence. Under pressure from the left, District Attorney Don Kleine appointed a black special prosecutor to lead a politically-motivated second investigation, which brought assault and manslaughter charges against Gardner. Instead of turning himself in, Gardner, who had already been evicted by his landlord, committed suicide.”

      “Jake Gardner served multiple tours in Iraq. He ran his own business. When a violent mob rampaged through Omaha, he put his own life at risk to protect his life’s work, and civilization itself.”

      The guy served multiple tours and lived to tell about it, only to be railroaded by the injustice system and media in the US. Let that sink in.


      • mandy says:

        Just an FYI for everyone: Nebraska does NOT have “castle doctrine.”

        My understanding is that if someone busts through the front door, I’m required – BY THE LAW OF THIS STATE – to run out the back door.

        My hope is that Jake’s death serves to force the idiots at the statehouse to CHANGE THIS SITUATION, ASAP.

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  5. Feisty Hayseed says:

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  7. Feisty Hayseed says:

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  8. Garrison Hall says:

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  9. joejoefromsandiego says:

    Ninth Circuit Court Overturns Death Of Ruth Bader Ginsburg

    SAN FRANCISCO, CA—In a landmark ruling, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has overturned the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. In a close decision, the judges on the court have ruled RBG’s death unconstitutional and will block Trump from nominating a replacement.

    Kim McLane Wardlaw, the judge who issued the ruling, said in a statement: “Justice Ginsburg’s death was an affront to the constitution as well as our God-given right to abort as many babies as possible and sell their body parts for research. Death, at its core, is a construct designed to subvert the rule of law by taking pro-choice liberal judges away from us too soon. We cannot allow Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death to stand. By law, she will now be considered to be still alive.”

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  10. Sepp says:

    . . . but deliver us from the Evil One.

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  11. Sepp says:

    Prayer of Saint Ioannikios the Great (+ 846)

    My hope is the Father, my refuge the Son, my protection the Holy Spirit. O Holy Trinity, glory to Thee.

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  12. Sepp says:

    Saints Apollos, Lucius, and Clement of the Seventy

    Saint Apollos (Acts 18: 24-25) was Bishop in Smyrna before Saint Polycarp. Saint Lucius (Romans 16: 21) was Bishop in Laodicea. Saint Clement was Bishop in Sardis.

    They are among the Saints who are commemorated today, September 10th on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church and September 23rd on the civil calendar.

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    • Sepp says:

      The Holy Virgin Martyrs Menodora, Metrodora, and Nymphodora were sisters in Asian Bithynia / Nicomedia in the early Fourth Century. One by one they were tortured and martyred for Christ because they chose Him over flattery and promises of marriage to wealthy men by their persecutor, a governor named Fronton. They are honored today Sept 10th on the Church Calendar.

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  13. Sepp says:

    This coming Sunday is the 27th of September on the civil calendar, but is September 14th on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.

    It is the Feast of the Universal Exaltation of the Precious and Life-giving CROSS of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. It is a day of fasting from animal products and fish.

    The significance and history of the Feast of the Elevation of the Cross is briefly contained in this article, which might require two or three “clicks” depending on the browser.

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  14. Dora says:

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  16. Dora says:

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  17. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  18. Dora says:

    Very good news.

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    • Margot says:

      That IS good news, Dora. So important to preserve these things, at a time when the commies are trying to erase history.


      • Sepp says:

        It would be interesting to know how and why whoever stole them did not destroy them, but put them into safekeeping. It is a mystery between God and the heart(s) of the individual(s) who actually preserved them. And the likely intervention of an angel from God.

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        • Margot says:

          I didn’t think of that angle, Sepp. Yes, it is possible that whoever “stole” them was, in fact, trying to preserve them. If so, I thank them.


  19. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day for Tuesday, September 23, 2020

    “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
    John 3:5 (KJV)

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  20. Charlotte Powell Brooks says:

    Baby Lives Matter.

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  21. just stevie says:


    “Behold, we go up to Jerusalem.” Luke xviii. 31

    In the natural life our ambitions alter as we develop; in the Christian life the goal is given at the beginning, the beginning and the end are the same, viz., Our Lord Himself. We start with Christ and we end with Him – “until we all attain to the stature of the manhood of Christ Jesus,” not to our idea of what the Christian life should be. The aim of the missionary is to do God’s will, not to be useful, not to win the heathen; he IS useful and he DOES win the heathen, but that is not his aim. His aim is to do the will of his Lord.

    In Our Lord’s life Jerusalem was the place where He reached the climax of His Father’s will upon the Cross, and unless we go with Jesus there we will have no companionship with Him. Nothing ever discouraged Our Lord on His way to Jerusalem. He never hurried through certain villages where He was persecuted, or lingered in others where He was blessed. Neither gratitude nor ingratitude turned Our Lord one hair’s breadth away from His purpose to go up to Jerusalem.

    “The disciple is not above his Master.” The same things will happen to us on our way to our Jerusalem. There will be the works of God manifested through us, people will get blessed, and one or two will show gratitude and the rest will show gross ingratitude, but nothing must deflect us from going up to our Jerusalem.

    “There they crucified Him.” That is what happened when Our Lord reached Jerusalem, and that happening is the gateway to our salvation. The saints do not end in crucifixion: by the Lord’s grace they end in glory. In the meantime our watchword is – I, too, go up to Jerusalem.

    Oswald Chambers
    September 23rd Devotional

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  22. NoTwoSystemsOnlyOneChiCom says:

    Shokin has petitioned Greek authorities to investigate his alleged poisoning there in 2019. Just as the Biden corruption is making rounds on the news. Whatever happened to Nuland? Pyatt is ambassador to Greece.
    Clamping down on corruption as well as “Yaz is our guy”
    From 2015

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  23. mandy says:

    Breonna Taylor decision (whether or not to charge the LEOs) will – SUPPOSEDLY – be made public at 1:15pm today.

    Y’all be safe out there, as it would appear – if their tweets are to be believed – that BLM is set to riot in multiple cities.


  24. Lucille says:

    What’s Wrong with Wind and Solar?
    Written by Isaac Orr on September 22, 2020

    “Regular readers of Center of the American Experiment understand that wind and solar are expensive, unreliable, and they require massive amounts of metals to generate just a fraction of the energy that we derive from oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear power.

    “Mark Mills of the Manhattan Institute is one of the leading researchers exploring the environmental impacts of wind and solar, and the amount of mining that would be required to be conducted if we were to try and implement the Green Dream, or whatever it’s called. Enjoy the video from PragerU.”


  25. Mr_Mayhem says:

    I know, zerohedge, but, is this true? Posted on Citizen Free Press yesterday thread also, maybe folks here have a better ability to find out more about the intention behind this thing… but if it’s truly being set up, then this could actually be a serious liberty issue behind the pandemic, as many “conspiracy” folks have warned.

    Zero Hedge
    In Unprecedented Monetary Overhaul, The Fed Is Preparing To Deposit “Digital Dollars” Directly To “Each American”

    I’m weary this could be an effort to bring in one world digital currency, disguised in stages, leveraging people’s desperation post-pandemic. This will be welcomed as help, but it could be a Trojan horse to replace the dollar in the long term with crypto money. No cash = no escape from banker tyranny. Let’s hear from others who watch this issue and see how they interpret it. It set off my NWO tripwire alarm, ha.

    Cleveland Fed president Loretta Mester, Quote:
    “… in a digital form and, potentially, without the anonymity of physical currency…”


    • Mr_Mayhem says:

      The document the Zero Hedge story was based on, from the Cleveland Fed:

      Payments and the Pandemic
      09.23.20 Loretta J. Mester
      Keynote Session, 20th Anniversary Chicago Payments Symposium – Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago (via videoconference)


    • Margot says:

      What’s wrong with ZeroHedge? I know they had a run-in with Twitter (which to me is an endorsement of the site 😀 ) and then one with Google over the comments section (I’ve seen worse comments sections, believe me) but other than that, I’ve been reading ZH casually for years. They practically invented popular finance. And I read that article there just this morning and was very grateful for it, it’s definitely something to be concerned about.

      The one thing that would prevent this from happening is the fragility of the electronic infrastructure. It really can’t be depended upon. All it would take to crash it is a major solar flare or EMP or some bad actors taking out some satellites. I’d like to say that I’m sure the Fed is aware of this, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they weren’t.


      • Mr_Mayhem says:

        Good point, also power outages, hurricanes, etc. If each transaction had to touch a clearinghouse server on the internet in order to process.

        But one can imagine other crypto currency protocols with elasticity in this regard. Which would return us most of the way back to the original threat.

        I don’t post stuff like this often, but this one seems like it aligns with the broader NWO control agenda, and is technically feasible (crypto wallet apps), and the planners have a good (fake) argument of “for use during emergencies” to bring it about, with an opening lunge offering “rapid aid” “in seconds” to desperate Americans “who need financial assistance fast” via “responsive government”. There are a lot of back-mortgages and back-rent coming due this fall. Given no other options, what citizens are gonna opt-out if it means losing the roof over their head, or food? Then their foot is in the door, and they can expand it, while cutting the supply of cash back.

        I don’t wear tin foil, but this one might convert me into a believer, lol.


        • Margot says:

          “I don’t wear tin foil, but this one might convert me into a believer, lol.”

          Nothing tin foil about it at all, MM. I like that you’re considering various aspects of the issue.

          I once said to a friend of mine that I did not think that man was advanced enough yet spiritually or morally to handle the technology that has been developed. He vehemently disagree with me, but this certainly seems to be the case in so many ways.


          • Mr_Mayhem says:

            Yeah, I would add culturally as well. We are losing the fundamentals, in pursuit of everything else.

            It occurred to me that the compartmentalizations common in government for national security does not end at government employees. It seems this pattern continues in the wild, with each group following their own silo of reality, most of which are flawed precisely in the blind spot specific to the targeted group. How convenient. The worst jail is one where you don’t even know you are jailed.

            Take these BLM and Antifa, for example. They are victims, but not in they way they believe themselves to be. They are brainwashed cannon fodder, victims of a globalist intention to keep us normies distracted, while they tighten the vice once again upon us all.


            • Margot says:

              Excellent post, MM. Demonstrates a fairly high awareness level. You are so right about “silos of reality”, that seems to be how it works. There are points of agreement among members of various groups that make the group what it is. When a group member begins to deviate from one or more of those points of agreement, for whatever reason (maybe they found new information, or a different way of doing things, or their perception of reality changed) there is trouble, usually for the individual, unless they can persuade the group to their way of thinking, at which point a new agreement is made. But that is rare. The more usual thing is that the individual is ostracized, and either ejected from the group or they move on to find a more like minded group.

              And sometimes others are terrified of knowing something they feel they shouldn’t know. In fact there is often pressure to remain ignorant of certain things, especially when others feel threatened by the knowledge. So just keep that in mind when others try to slap you with the “tinfoil” or “conspiracy theory” label.

              But I like that “silos of reality”, it’s a great way to look at it.


  26. I see that the Mayor of Louisville KY actually UNDERSTANDS the need to be PROACTIVE. He announced a CURFEW and asked for the NATIONAL GUARD to be present BEFORE the Prosecutors made their announcement about WHO will be charged with WHAT for the death of “What’s Her Name” (No, I WON’T say it!)

    Her family will get $12m and one of the cops is being charged with 3 Counts of 1st Degree Wanton Endangerment. I would say that this won’t satisfy the BLM but, since NOTHING EVER SATISFIES THEM, who cares? I don’t. At least THIS TIME THE NATIONAL GUARD IS ALREADY IN PLACE.


    Why? Because THAT’S WHAT THEY DO.


  27. Lucille says:

    Ghislaine Maxwell’s Friends Predict She Will ‘SELL OUT’ Bill Clinton as New Revelations EMERGE!!!
    September 23, 2020 – Dr. Steve Turley

    Excellent video, other than the common mislabeling of Epstein as a pedophile (unlawful interest in prepubescent children). As far as is known, he was a hebephile (adult interest in early adolescent pubescent children, typically ages 11–14) and an ephebophile (later adolescents, typically age 15 and above).

    “In the majority of states (34), it (the age of consent) is 16 years of age. In the remaining states, the age of consent is either 17 or 18 years old (6 and 11 states, respectively).” – (


  28. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You. Also, we pray for Angels to protect and support our Sundance as he works for justice and peace.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  29. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Gen. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  30. auscitizenmom says:


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  31. rufnekreject says:

    I saw a tweet from yesterday that said S. Korea had declared an end to the war and that this would, “Open a path to denuclearization and peace.” Anyone else see this or am I missing something??


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