Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

If you ever read the indictment of SSCI Security Director James Wolfe [pdf HERE] you would notice how FBI Washington Field Office Supervisory Special Agent Brian Dugan conducted his leak investigation that ultimately led to James Wolfe.

As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process, he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017.  Agent Dugan then takes it to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where he gave it to SSCI Security Director James Wolfe.

Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

This is not supposition; this is the process described and outlined in court records. So, why go to the FISC and not the DOJ?

♦ Secondly, SSA Dugan goes to extreme lengths to draw attention to his copy; he calls the top secret FISA application an “FBI equity” in numerous documents. It’s his equity, his document, because he was the original equity holder of the document.

Agent Dugan was responsible for generating it. Dugan repeats that provenance again, and again in court records throughout 2018: “FBI Equity“.

[Document Link – page #3]

[Document Link – Page #13]

The March 17, 2017, copy of the FISA application -as stamped by the FISA Court- was FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s equity. It was inside his investigative file.

This March 17, 2017, copy is his investigative work product.

So riddle me this… QUESTION:

When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

Why did the DOJ find it necessary to release WFO FBI agent Brian Dugan’s equity?

Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?…. But more importantly, when the DOJ decided to release the FISA application to the public, why did they release FBI Agent Dugan’s copy?

The answers to these questions tell a big story.

Isn’t it curious how no-one has ever asked those questions?

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♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

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968 Responses to Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

  1. Puzzled says:

    Can’t wait for SD to start throwing the haymakers. He’s got them dazed with strategic jabs. The timing is right. It’s not my style but in this case I’m prepared to kick them when they go down. It is war after all and they started it.

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    • vikingmom says:

      We have been way too docile for far too long IMHO…the fact that so many conservatives were not aware there was a war going on is what allowed the Left to make such huge inroads into our territory! NOW is the time to take a stand and fight – if we do not, it may be too late!

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      • budklatsch says:

        Yes VM, what could all of them be thinking these past several years of obama, they collectively rolled over and let obama rule with a pen. Then Clinton is discovered to have used a personal server when SOS and 30,000 emails were irretrievably lost. I doubt that with our NSD capabilities (Hello Ratclift). And weiners’ laptop has gone missing when under the control of DOJ. I get so mad, that I can’t think straight and now they want $. Not a cent except to WINRED. Well, one exception.

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    • Norma Jean says:

      So agree Puzzled… I’ve been waiting for years for the haymakers to catch a match. SD, what you have done is beyond words. I read your posts and am amazed how you’ve out smarted the best of them. This country owes you.. kuddos to your acknowledgement last night with Dobbs and Fitton. You’re owed immeasurable accolades. No need for the kicks.. where their headed.. there is no sunshine.

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  2. DeWalt says:

    No one I know off has seen the copy of what was on reporter Watkins”s Phone.
    I doubt what was given to the Agent from the FISC would have Classified info in it. If the intention was a leak the court would not risk that.
    No one in the DOJ knew there was an investigation into the Highest levels of the government out side the SC. Where was that investigation being run from?
    Would the redactions on a released copy of the FISA from DOJ be different from Dugans?
    In the indictment Where is reporter #1 and what were the questions asked of Wolfe that are missing in the Agents outline.
    Seems as there were 2 or more things happening here.

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    • Justin Green says:

      FBI has security clearances of varying levels. Why wouldn’t Dugan have the security clearance to receive the doc? It was going to the SSCI, which has security clearances….

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      Dugan’s copy was certified on the date he received it from the FISC. If he had gone to the DOJ for a certified copy the DOJ would have a record of that request and that would have given the conspirators a heads up to leak another copy certified the same day?

      By delivering a FISC copy there would not be any matching document similarly dated and the leak would be identified.

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      • Justin Green says:

        The leak was apparently identified by a change in the filing date, not the certified copy date.

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        • clearthefence1776 says:

          More specifically two dates were changed, both by one day. The original application Oct’16 and the first renewal Jan’17. Why both dates and were those the limit of the leak tracing changes?

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          • Justin Green says:

            Really? Which two? The only one we know of was the filing date, changed from 10-21 to 10-19.

            That’s more than one day.

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        • sarasotosfan says:

          Agent Dugan changed nothing on the document. Read the account of his actions. He picked up the document and the copy became a classified document in the hands of the FBI with a particular certification date. The document was logged into the classified data system the government runs. Then Dugan logged out their copy to be used by the SSCI. While in the hands of the Senate, Wolfe took pictures of that document. Again, the only certified copy of the warrant dated March 17 was the copy the FBI had lent the SSCI.

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      Dewalt, the FBI did obtain a search warrant for Watkins phone. They had Wolfe dead to rites.

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    • sickrickfl says:

      If there wasn’t classified info on it – there would be no crime (no “there” there). The FISC court had no input, this was a leak hunt. It was classified in that, all FISA Warrants are, by their very nature “classified”. Not that the warrant itself contained state secrets or methods/sources.

      The Carter Page FISA warrant was the best way to root out the leaker, as this was what everyone was clamoring to see at the time.

      What’s important is that Wolfe was caught committing what essentially was TREASON (not a whistleblower), and was offered a deal for a “process crime” – a 10 year felony that netted him two months in prison (BFD).

      Just as the Awan brothers got sentenced for falsifying a home equity credit application. Not the theft of government property, or security compromises by foreign actors on government computers.

      Don’t mean to sound depressed, but at this point – they will burn the entire country down, before anyone actually sees the inside of a courtroom.

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      • maggie0987 says:

        Just because Wolfe and Awans were not charged does not mean that they cannot be charged now, does it?

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        • Siege Perilous says:

          As I understand it, it would depend what was in the charging documents and thus double jeopardy but I`am not a lawyer.

          Normal persons sense of propriety says hell yeah charge them, however one or two lines in the paperwork may render that legally impermissible.

          Prove that the prosecutions where corrupt though and not just prosecutor`s discretion at play and Awan, Wolfe and yep even Killary could be recharged.

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      • DeWalt says:

        We witnessed in the past where they put out documents labeled classified that had false information on them. They can classify a page # if they liked. I highly doubt the courts would reveal personal names and their involvement if they knew it would be leaked. Unless we saw what was sent to the reporters phone you have no idea.

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  3. Right to reply says:

    Going off tangent, but still to do with Obamagate…

    “The Trump administration put Huawei on an export blacklist in May last year, essentially banning the company from importing any hardware into the United States. It was said that this decision was made due to national security concerns. … President Trump has extended the ban on Huawei for one full year until May 2021”

    Available as a link on WIKI, but deleted from the Internet.
    “The Australian (2011). Huawei names John Brumby, Alexander Downer board members. Retrieved 16 August 2011.”

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  4. Ganesh says:

    Hmmm:

    This part smells funny to me, on top of everything else.

    Remember this?

    So Dugan goes to the FISC (at the request of who?) in March 2017 to get the Page FISA, and he gets it, to set his leak trap.

    And then (have I got this right?) in January, 2018, Nunes and Goodlatte ask the FISC (Collyer) for the Page FISA application (or documents?), and she says no, the Executive already have them at the DOJ – get them there.

    Was Judge Collyer in on the sting, as she knew the DOJ had an “official” copy (they wrote it after all) and she had given Dugan an “unofficial ” copy?

    Was she protecting Dugan?

    Or, as Goodlatte, Nunes, and others suspected, the two copies are different, (by more than the date?).

    [The March 17, 2017, copy of the FISA application -as stamped by the FISA Court- was FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s equity. It was inside his investigative file.]

    Judge Collyer won’t give a copy to Congress, but already gave one to Dugan?

    Hmmm. Why would that be?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/15/fisa-court-presiding-judge-rosemary-collyer-responds-to-chairman-nunes-and-chairman-goodlatte-request-for-fisc-documents/

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    • Right to reply says:

      I am beginning to think there are 3 copies.
      One true copy
      One copy with date change
      One copy with many changes (we haven’t seen this one yet)

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      excellent question!

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    • todayistheday99 says:

      Why not give a copy to the FBI, since they submitted it in the first place and “should” have an identical copy anyway. Hey, maybe that’s why Dugan went to the court to get a copy … to compare it to the FBI’s version?

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      • Hans says:

        To make sure he had the actual FISA document .. stamped dated.. from the court.. Top Secret

        If not people could say it was a draft copy of no significance… could not be used in a trial proceeding.. chain of command is important..

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      • todayistheday99 says:

        I wasn’t clear … my comment was speculating on Ganesh’s point as to why the FISC give Dugan (FBI) a copy of the filed Page FISA but not give a copy to Nunes (Congress).

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        • Ganesh says:

          Indeed –

          and maybe it is just those two dates differing between the two copies.

          Still, Judge Collyer is making a quite a statement here, intentionally or not, to wit:

          1) Yes, DOJ (FBI SA Dugan), you can have a copy of your own document, which you wrote by the way, just in case you need it for ? (what?, something?)

          2) No, Congress, you can not have a copy of this document, as it resides in the DOJ – indeed in the FBI as an equity.

          [[ Conjecture] BY THE WAY – did you know SA Dugan asked for a copy so he could share it with the SSCI?]

          Last time I checked, SSCI was part of Congress.

          So she can give it to Dugan to give to Congress, but she can not give it to Congress? WTF?

          So now, redundantly:

          Judge Collyer gives the document to SA Dugan so he can give it to the SSCI (part of Congress),

          Then, when Goodlatte and Nunes ask for the document as well, Judge Collyer tell them to go and get it from the DOJ?

          Bluntly, this is FUed,

          Judge Collyer knew something was amiss? Or is this just normal beaurocratic proticol?

          Ganesh

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    • WSB says:

      On page 6 of Wolfe’s indictment:

      17. In or around March 2017, a particular Executive Branch agency agreed to fumish the SSCI with a specific classified document (“the Classified Document’) for official purposes. The Classified Document contained both SECRET and TOP SECRET information, including SECRET-level information regarding the identity and activities of the individual referred to in this Indictment as MALE-1. [Carter Page]

      18.On or about March 17,2017, the Classified Document was transported to the
      SSCI. As Director of Security, WOLFE received, maintained, and managed the Classified Document on behalf of the SSCI.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/08/the-bigger-story-behind-the-james-wolfe-indictment/

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      • Ganesh says:

        And there is the rub.

        ” a particular Executive Branch agency agreed to furnish the SSCI with a specific classified document”

        So – SA Dugan is now a “particular Executive Branch Agency”?

        Quite a promotion.

        And yet SA Dugan went to the FISC(!) to get the actual document, “a particular Executive Branch agency agreed to furish (to the (sic)) the SSCI.

        Wolfe’s indictment is a coverup. The language is BS and penetrable.

        Keep Looking!!

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    • WSB says:

      I believe the answer to that is law enforcement can apply for FIS, so that would be FBI or NSA, not the legislative branch. And assuming that this was part of an internal investigation, the clerk would probably have the approval from the court to supply the document. JMO, though.

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    • Amy2 says:

      I think it’s been previously mentioned that Sessions actually did start some leak investigations, so Dugan was probably a part of that?

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  5. AnAppeal2Heaven says:

    Maybe it’s like this. The 17 lawyers running Main Justice were in the habit of changing documents to rig their cases. Evidence of this pattern is using Clinesmith as their fall guy for changing an email to have an opposite meaning.

    To shape their narrative, the Mueller team wanted their doctored version of the FISA application leaked, and tasked their good buddies in the Senate intelligence committee to get it done. The job of leaking fell to James Wolfe. It was to be leaked to the New York Times, their other good buddies, in “wrap-up smear” fashion. They would use the falsified FISA application to their advantage once it was out in the public.

    SSA Dugan had to avoid the DOJ because the DOJ was one of the subjects of his leak investigation. He obtained a true copy of the FISA from the FISC and put on his leak trace markers so that this document became an FBI equity.

    SSA Dugan supplies the leak traced FISA to James Wolfe. Then, the NYT obtained it through Ali Watkins.

    The NYT submitted a FOIA request for the FISA application. I always thought it was uncharacteristic of the NYT to be searching for the truth, and to have such a speedy fulfillment. The NYT did this as cover for the illegally obtained document, so they could appear to have obtained it legally.

    But uh oh, the contents of the true and accurate FISA got leaked, which differed from the doctored one the Mueller team wanted out there. When the Mueller team realized that, yikes, the true contents of the FISA application was leaked instead, they had no choice but to make their FOIA request version match the NYT version.

    But what is wrong with my theory here, is how did the Mueller team not take care that the doctored version was given to the FBI to give to Wolfe? Or maybe they did do that, and SSA Dugan filed that away for safe keeping, and went to the FISC to obtain the true copy.

    I think the puppet strings can be seen when you ask yourself, why would a FISA application just fall into our laps by magic, like manna from heaven? It wouldn’t, just like the Strozck-Page texts didn’t just appear for no reason. The reason was to shape a narrative and provide a distraction. The prime mover in all of this was the Mueller team and their willingness to drive a narrative, truth be damned.

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    • Hans says:

      The Mueller team found out about the sting.. after SsA Dugan completed his investigation.. and provided it to main justice …

      At that time Mueller team knew they had a problem that led to the SEnate Intelligence committee being identified.. so a quick plan … have the the NYT request a FISA Copy..
      And they made sure it was the SSA Dugan Copy.. and run with Wolf love interest ..pure distraction.

      At that note think about this.. the Dugan File was a case file… why would Mueller go to a case file and not print one off the server… Because they were different.. and knew about the sting.. the coverup begins. Purge SSA file case to cover up the FISA leak..

      And that makes them and the Senate conspirators..

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      • Justin Green says:

        Why make sure it was the Dugan version, if Wolf was already pegged as the leaker?

        The DOJ could have easily redacted anything they wanted and the docs would appear identical.

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        • Hans says:

          Justin leave the thinking to others.. just read all the comments and if you must think before posting.

          1. White House had a suspicion that some leaks were coming out of the Senate Intelligence committee
          2. Mr. Wolf did not request the Page FISA.. sen Warner did
          3. A singular copy was made.. given to Sen Warner by SSA Dugan..
          4. On the same day. Sen Warner gives the FISA to Mr Wolf who leaks it to NYT
          5. SSA Dugan confronts.. Mr Wolf about the leak.
          6. mr wolf denies leaking FISA three times.. is show phone records/texts by SSA Dugan that 83 pages were texted to NYT.. from his phone …..admits guilt.
          7. Mr Wolf Threatens to subpoena senate members in defense….(they made me do it)
          8. DOJ cut Mr Wolf a sweetheart deal of lying to FBI to deflect from Senate involvement,
          9. This clearly shows that certain Senate members tried to ‘take out’ PDT (coup)

          But I thank you for giving me a reason to repost this factual information..that has been fully detailed in previous articles.. yes including information on Mr Wolf interview with the FBI.

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          • Justin Green says:

            Wow, that was condescending….

            1) So what?
            2) So what?
            3) I never said there wasn’t.
            4) Duh.
            5) Duh.
            6) Duh.
            7) Duh.
            8) Okay. Irrelevant to my post, however.
            9) No kidding, but still irrelevant to my post.

            Sounds like you didn’t even read what I posted at all.
            Thanks.

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            • Hans says:

              It’s you who are posting BS.. not condescending I cut to the chase..

              You’re #2 so what.. answer clearly you are befuddled …..your intellect blunted.
              If a Senator requests a top secret document.. to which it has a right.. and is handed off to Mr Wolf(who has no need to know to request the FISA Doc) and Within 3 hours it is sent/leaked to the NYT.. that’s a good indication that Sen Warner was involved and the leak was planned. Mr Wolf was not prosecuted for leaking Top Secret FISA Doc. but lying to the FBI.. a minor 2 month sentence.. WHY. Because there are elements of the Senate involved.. .. SO WHAT… looks to me like they could be involved in trying to remove a duly elected President of the United States…

              Sure see a lot of dis-information comming out of your posts.. churning much

              Including the one where you wish with Ms Lindsey looses to a Democrat..

              I check to see other posts to see what your game is..

              You are outed.

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      • Roger Duroid says:

        That’s what we want – CONspirators – big legal problems in that. Whoever shall conspire to overthrow …..

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      • Joemama says:

        Bingo!

        And don’t forget the New York Times. By asking for the document via FOIA to assist in the coverup, they are also co-conspirators.

        The NYT had no reason to request the FISA warrant via FIOA, since they already had the document. The only reason for this request was to cover up crimes, i.e. obstruction of justice.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Any doctored versions of the application are only good if they get filed with the FISA, otherwise, the DOJ has no plausible authority to conduct FISA-approved searches.A non-filed version from the DOJ that differs from the FISA version isn’t good enough. A DOJ version that differed from the filed version would raise the question of legitimacy of their searches to the extent the DOJ relied on their own, non-filed version. That seems sloppy.

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      • AnAppeal2Heaven says:

        I agree that a weakness in my theory is, what compels the Mueller team to produce a version of the FISA application that matches what the NYT has? Had it by then been shopped around to too many people?

        At that point, they might have just kept quiet about it all. Were they just hoping the get away with different versions existing, with the complicity of the media?

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        • Justin Green says:

          If different versions existed, and the ONLY difference was the date filed stamp, that would have been trivial for the DOJ to redact. But they didn’t.

          So, we can chalk it up to:

          1) Laziness – might as well release the version already in the public…
          2) There were differences other than the dates.

          #1 is unlikely, because why redact just the day alone?

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        • AnAppeal2Heaven says:

          When Wolfe was caught as the leaker, the Mueller team would have also understood that SSA Dugan knew they had “doctored” the FISA Application. IF my theory is right. How does that explain doing the FOIA coverup? I don’t know, and my head hurts.

          At any rate, there is lots of evidence of a conspiracy between the SC, SSCI, and NYT.

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          • Justin Green says:

            Doctored how? All Dugan knew was that Wolf leaked the wrong date, not an incorrect version of the FISA outside of the date.

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          • Justin Green says:

            SSA Dugan would not known if other facts were doctored unless he had the DOJ copy.

            No indication that he had that.

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  6. Linda K. says:

    Dugan went to the FISA Court for his copy because he could not trust main justice or the special council with knowledge of his activity. Don’t know how he could trust the FBI or FISA Court either at this point.

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    • twohartsintx says:

      Right, I don’t think he was a part of the SC. They didn’t know that he had a leak investigation going. I think Amy2 mentioned that Sessions had started some leak investigations and this may have been one of them. Maybe?????

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  7. beth02 says:

    It’s an FBI equity because it’s not the original FISA, he doctored it as a tracer so he must identify it as an FBI equity and cannot identify it as the original FISA. If the SC released this document to public, they did not release the original FISA, they released the FBI equity. In other words, SC did not comply to the FOIA requirements. It’s very curious they did not release the original FISA but led us to believe that they did. One wonders what else (other than date) agent Dugan changed. DO I have this right Sundance?

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    • gary says:

      dugans actions reveal his suspicions. i still think the DOJ didn’t have their copy. they destroyed it. and think delay. just like flynns judge,delay till biden wins. that tactic is falling apart, thank God.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Is that right? It’s FBI equity because he doctored it, or it’s FBI equity because he requested it from FISA, and not DOJ?

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    • Conundrum says:

      So how can SC legally publish an FBI equity? I dont believe they can.

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    • sarasotosfan says:

      Beth, the document was in fact a “true copy” of the original. The “unique ness” of the document is purely the day the FISC certified ir as a true copy. The FISC would keep a log on the issuance of the document because it was a certified copy and, more importantly, it was a classified document.

      The clerk issued the copy to the FBI on March 17 and no other copies were issued by the court on that date.

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  8. gary says:

    the DOJ had to release dugan’s copy because the fisc court had ordered the destruction of certain doc’s, maybe including the first fisa warrant? may be that the DOJ’S copy didn’t exist anymore.

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  9. Brant says:

    While I read several blogs and twitter, I saw the draw and strike dude was concerned with the info drop set for Friday. Facetiously asking, isn’t this the same dude who had “Stealth Jeff” as his twitter handle for 2 plus years and had to change it?

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Well, when StealthJeff does strike then you’ll never really ever expect it. What was his concern, was it too early and more waiting was needed?

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  10. kleen says:

    I read somewhere that either Jake Tapper or Fredo, I can’t remember which imbecile but I will go with imbecile Tapper. Anyway Tapper was upset with fake news for having/leaking the FISA (Dossier information)

    It wasn’t supposed to be leaked because it was too absurd be credible.

    Leaking the FISA would show what a piece of garbage it was.

    The intend was to selectively leak only parts that they could use to give it credibility and keep dripping selective leaks to build a narrative. Fake news was ready to receive selective small leaks and run with it.

    But when the whole thing was leaked, their plan was destroyed.

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    • Siege Perilous says:

      Indeed a typical Obama, Brennan, Weissman et al maneuver, you can practically hear the fawns clapping and honking like seals at 5 star restaurants and dinner parties in the right postcodes/zipcodes, saying they where, ” stunning and brave “, after they have explained why they did something so bold, when nope that was not what they where doing.

      They where being conniving, narcissistic, traitors scorching the earth and any notions other than lying, cheating and lining there own pockets.

      Always trying to show they are in charge, they are the smartest and that they have all the power.

      It is a compulsion with them belittle, betray and brag, rinse and repeat.

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  11. Grandma Covfefe says:

    Lindsay now “on the move” to “get to the bottom of this”. LOL

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  12. avocadodipp says:

    Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

    Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

    Agent Dugan went to the FISC Court to get FISC Candy! It was the trap! It was the sweetie that he knew Wolfe would bite and swallow – hook, line, and sinker.

    Wolfe must have looked at the document and saw the stamp which said “LeeAnn Flynn Hall, Clerk, FISC” and jumped for joy. He had never seen this document – he had seen the DOJ version, but not the FISC’s. He had to share it right away with his reporter/girlfriend and I would guess – Mueller’s Team.

    Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

    This I’m unsure… my guess is the DOJ doesn’t have a clean copy of the FISA application, therefore they have to use Dugan’s FBI equity. Maybe they have a modified document (that they modified)?

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  13. WhiteBoard says:

    Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

    Because Dugan was investigating the Leakers – and suspected someone in the DOJ.

    By getting the FISA stamped 3/17/17 it provides a method of veifying the Travel of the Document.

    FISC – DUGAN – Wolfe – PHONe IMAGE Ali watkins (Buzzfeed) – FBI intercepts phone sees 3/17/17 – (circle confirmed)

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    • All Too Much says:

      Right. If Dugan got the copy from DOJ it would not have the stamp. Using the stamped copy the leaker could be discovered, and it ruled out DOJ as source of leak.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        Yes to force the plausible deniability into the toilet.

        This is where the BIG UGLY comes. to cover this up it had to be AGREED to by both sides of the Senate Intel Comittee and both sides of the DOJ.

        Without this coverup – there is no Justified Muller investigation. Muller was the result of the Wole Leak – created public calling – and republican reason to call for muller.

        We Caught them all.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Nope. Dugan’s change was to the filing date (10-19 vs 10-21), not the March date.

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  14. This is getting way too complicated for this 74 year old mind to comprehend. I believe I’ve understood most of SD’s posts – however – with all the comments and opinions made, this one has me baffled. After the dust settles a bit, I hope someone can consolidate the “findings” a bit!

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  15. MTB says:

    Hey Sundance or Ad Rem,

    Am I correct that the stamp wording / word order is incorrect from version to version? I just checked Leeann’s other end-document stamps and the word order does not match any other stamps contemporaneous to that period (2016-2017).

    She always initialed and signed below. Here it is above. The others state “Chief Deputy Clerk,” not just clerk. These would also help as a leak tracer. But I still don’t know why the Spec. Coun, did not redact this stamp.

    Nevertheless, I assume we have never seen the actual FISA order, as per our prior exchange. And as we know, this is the FB.. product, not a true FISC product.

    Looking forward!

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  16. cdnintx says:

    I think it is interesting that the the clerk’s middle name is “Flynn”. I think i saw several other documents that she stamped as well?

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  17. gensensibility says:

    I’m a little behind the times, but why was the day of the month in October on the FISA application redacted? The judge approved the warrant on 10/21/2016. The Wikileaks leak of the Podesta emails occurred on 10/7/2016. Why was it so important to conceal the date?

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  18. gary says:

    remember when the woman fisc judge told horowitz ,the I.G. to go to the executive branch to get his copy of warrants? something fishy there.

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  19. jengancworld says:

    I’ve never felt so ignorant in my life trying to piece all of this together. I hope Friday’s message will help me and others understand a little bit better!

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    • MTB says:

      Can’t see this (just blank for me for some reason), but I assume this is the Senate Jud. Comm. copy.

      The problem with this is that the stamp and FBI markers (see bottom right of each page) means it is still the FBI product, not DOJ, etc.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        Yes that one.

        but it shows the Clerk date also 3/17/17 and the october 21 2016 date.

        Dugan’s FBI equity is the date change. got it.

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        • MTB says:

          But you’ve maybe hit upon something. The Sen. Jud. Comm. was also using (or was fed) the leak tracer.

          Or perhaps something else? They are really gumming up the confusion works.

          At least Biden left Rice open for charges. So there’s that!

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          • todayistheday99 says:

            Grassley and Feinstein also got copies:

            “Then, on March 17, 2017, the Chairman
            and Ranking Member were provided copies of the two relevant FISA applications, which
            requested authority to conduct surveillance of Carter Page”

            Click to access 2018-03-15%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral).pdf

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            • MTB says:

              I think I answered this above (see earlier comment). If the doc you posted has the strangely-stamped clerk notice, it’s still a Dugan tracer.

              I earlier said:

              *I just checked Leeann’s other end-document stamps and the word order does not match any other stamps contemporaneous to that period (2016-2017).

              She always initialed and signed below. Here it is above. The others state “Chief Deputy Clerk,” not just clerk. These would also help as a leak tracer. But I still don’t know why the Spec. Coun, did not redact this stamp.*

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  20. ajshu says:

    Another simple question for you all: Why isn’t Chief Justice Roberts held accountable and forced to resign? Correct me if I am wrong but Roberts oversees the FISA court, it is all carried out under his jurisdiction. Hence, all this abuse occurred under his watch. Conclusion: either he was complicit in this abuse and approved it all or he was negligent. Either answer means that he should be forced out.

    Roberts has also showed his hand by making public anti-Trump statements. Very unusual for a “judge”. Hence, he is an anti-Trump person and could have been actively involved in the coup d’etat. We have certainly seen where he stands in his anti-Trump decisions of late.

    Is no one held accountable anymore? Can everybody just do what they want and get away with it all without consequences?

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    • Justin Green says:

      Nobody, to date, has made the convincing case that the FISA is complicit.

      Roberts is a SC justice. They blamed others.

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  21. Qbnkiller says:

    I wonder if SD can hold his powder dry until ‘Mr. Mental Acuity’ announces his likely running mate of Susan ‘Deep-Fix’ Rice. If SD starts to name-names before, then I believe Plugs will steal the oxygen with his announcement via the Presstitutes.

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    • regitiger says:

      shes backed into a corner either way.

      by sunlight, she (and others!) will most suredly scurry about.

      there is no better outcome that rice does run toward blast furnace.

      most ppl cant even remember who she was!

      by returning in such a very public space..well before the election…well before the big ugly gets dumped only provides a very good position for the overall strategy.

      we can go at her on multiple levels…dubious youtube videos and 11th hour cover my ass emails.

      and we will do all of this

      BY THE BOOK.

      spoiler: she is not a very smart person…and a spine that will snap in the slightest of pressure…

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    • regitiger says:

      shes backed into a corner either way.

      by sunlight, she (and others!) will most suredly scurry about.

      there is no better outcome that rice does run toward blast furnace.

      most ppl cant even remember who she was!

      by returning in such a very public space..well before the election…well before the big ugly gets dumped only provides a very good position for the overall strategy.

      we can go at her on multiple levels…dubious youtube videos and 11th hour cover my ass emails.

      and we will do all of this

      BY THE BOOK.

      spoiler: she is not a very smart person…and a spine that will snap in the slightest of pressure…

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    • SRT392 says:

      Just announced — it’s Harris.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Looks like it is Heels Up Harris. Not Rice.

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  22. mb says:

    It’s my belief that politics has become a sporting event. You root for your team (D, R, or other) no matter how repugnant they are because it’s the emotion of having your team on top that is paramount. How many Astros diehards do you know that dropped support for their team when they were caught cheating? Not many. The partisan system (two-party) the Founders created for us was a major screw-up. It has always been “party-first, country second” ever since.

    What seems to be upon us is a watershed moment where neither team is worthy of our support. You hear it all the time… “uniparty”, or “no difference between D and R”. What SD seems to be hinting at is that our “team” has not only been cheating, but (and I hate to use the word) colluding with their “opponents” to attain a mutually beneficial outcome. To us fans in the stands, we still cheer our team to the bitter end, not quite aware that the fix is in.

    Think of Trump as an expansion team… new to the league, but immediately kicking ass and not abiding by the unwritten code enforced by the mainstays.

    Personally, I hope that the damage is done to both sides. Our “team” doesn’t accomplish squat when they hold the levers of power. The “league” they are in is not you or me, or the USA… it’s just “them”. Sure, there are a few that pop up now and then that seem to have some honor, but the league as a whole has to be done away with.

    If what SD seems to be hinting at is true, that this scandal ensnares members of all teams… so be it. It might be the last chance for us to heed Franklin’s ominous warning about keep the republic.

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    • mark1mod0 says:

      Everybody knows that the District of Corruption has very few patriots in it that believe in Duty, Honor, Country. Our Country needs the trillions returned that have been stolen. We want Justice. I want my Country back.
      I offer for you General Douglas MacArthur’s Duty, Honor, Country speech given in 1962 to West Point. Ponder how that fits today. Does not matter whether you are military or a patriot, this speech is appropriate https://youtu.be/_CSpxhVPabk

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  23. dwpender says:

    All the insightful comments on this superb thread reinforce that a “super secret,” ex parte Court of any kind is utterly inconsistent with our Constitution. Our Founders foresaw NO such role for the “judicial” branch of our government.

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    • RF Burns says:

      The irony here is that this is shades of the abuses of the Star Chamber of old. Combine the problems with the FISA Court with the issues with having a (secret) NSA database collecting meta data from electronic communications. Eerily reminiscent of that which led directly to the inclusion of the 4th and 5th Amendments in the Bill of Rights to the Constitution.

      “History Doesn’t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain.
      Seems I would agree here with Mark Twain in regards to the progression of history.

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  24. Dantes says:

    We are all making it too complicated. Warner was caught directing Wolfe to leak the FISA. Wolfe’s lawyer notified the SSCI that “all” the SSCI would be called to testify. They were all in on getting rid of President Trump. The SSCI was caught red handed participating in a Coup on a duly elected President. Does anyone believe they went rogue on the Leaders in the Senate? Some how, we all know how, nothing happened to the Senators. The Special Council made it all go away. They are all traitors to the Constitution of the United States! We the people. $$$ is why. They were protecting their own interest. We are going to be shown in detail why I think after Friday. Our patriot SSA Brian Dugan laid down the tracer. Will Durham do anything on what we all know? Let’s see.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Where was Wolf caught being directed by Warner? Warner’s emails were to a lobbyist, not Wolf…. Maybe I’m wrong…

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    • BuckNutGuy says:

      Yep. Lets not lose the forest through the trees.

      And our sweet heart Tash was the one who removed the FISA warrant from the case file so that it didn’t go to the GJ. My guess anyway.

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      • Justin Green says:

        Sure she was. Because that implicates more than they wanted to admit. But that, by itself, does not explain the DOJ releasing Dugan’s version.

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    • wxobserver says:

      I don’t know that there’s direct evidence of Warner directing the leak, at least not publicly exposed anyway. (Is that right?) It is very suspicious that after Wolfe threatened to call SSCI members as witnesses at his trial, SSCI filed a document in the case requesting leniency for Wolfe.

      FBI notified SSCI that Wolfe was under investigation prior to Wolfe’s indictment, and that (intentionally?) destroyed any chance they had to find a connection between Warner and Wolfe.

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  25. Murphys says:

    1. why did they (DOJ (Mueller/SC)) release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?
    Because that is the one out in public (via Wolfe/Watkins). If a FISA application were released that didn’t match the leak-tracing version Dugan delivered to SSCI (and then leaked to Watkins), a lot of questions would come up.
    But what are those questions? What is/are the actual difference/s between the documents?

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    • Justin Green says:

      That’s the $1,000,000 question. If dates were the only difference, it would be easy for the DOJ to redact those and release their own version.

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  26. eric says:

    nobody wants to leave fingerprints because they know they all have dirty hands.

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  27. SickOfItAll says:

    The Flynn hearing today was a disgrace. Since when does a Judge get a lawyer. Those Obama appointed judges have their marching orders…

    Garland brought up Trump’s E.O’s. Our courts are judicial activist shams.

    Now we find out Barr has more Brady evidence. Where is Barr? End this Flynn thing now and arrest every one already.

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  28. Sonia says:

    Sundance shows some sunlight:

    2. You do realize @shipwreckedcrew , the *official* position of the DOJ, Main Justice, SSCI, FBI and DC-USAO is that Wolfe did *not* leak the FISA application.That's the cover-up. Once you accept the FISA was leaked, then a litany of ramifications unfold.— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 11, 2020

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    • Justin Green says:

      And the follow-up – Was Dugan’s version different by dates only, or other, more substantial content?

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    • sangerweed says:

      And this is precisely what causes echo chambers. When a 22-year federal prosecutor tries to mansplain muh procedures, definitions and other minutiae because he can’t accept logical conclusions that aren’t arrived at by applying his sacred rote, it becomes obvious that our justice system is no longer about serving justice. It is more about protecting procedures and institutions. Big club indeed.

      Looks like PDT isn’t the only one exposing the dark underbelly of our government.

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  29. I am mostly content to wait out Sundance until he comes across with what he wants to say about these “simple questions”. I expect the answer is that Dugan’s “equity” copy was known by both bad guys (SSCI, et al.) and the good guy (Dugan) to be “in play”, as soon as Dugan PUT it in play. No doubt Sundance has a d____d complicated story (/s; down dogs!) about why they wanted to protect the original, “un-FBI-equitied” copy (don’t you love all this spy jargon?) from public scrutiny, and why the FISA clowns made the Congress clowns apply to the DOJ clowns for a copy…they just want us deplorables to be mesmerized by how they got all those clowns…with huge feet, AND hair…into those little, tiny clown cars…

    “Answers on Friday”, maybe. And, as Ryan Reynolds said to Rachel Weisz in “Definitely Maybe”, about her trying to charm him (again): “It’ll be great…but I just don’t have time for the pain”.

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  30. Dave Sanderson says:

    3 PM ET AUGUST 11TH >>> INDICTMENTS HAVE JUST COME DOWN
    Sedition + Obstruction of Justice + Lying to Congress
    Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strozk, Page, and Susan Rice!!!

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    • Justin Green says:

      Source please.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        hey Justin,

        Question for you…

        Could Dugan edit his document at the FBI (day change) and never have to go to the FISC?

        or is their some investigative step that requires edited products to be received offically?

        why FISC copy – clerk stamped

        The root of this im sure is Warner requesting the document – since his text messages are on march 17 talking of it.

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        • Justin Green says:

          Yes, Dugan could have seeded Wolf with a document modified after he got it from the FISA, which appears to be what he did.

          The request by the SSCI for a copy indicates they know very little about it, especially the date it was filed.

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          • WhiteBoard says:

            I agree with that. – the part of the SSCI not knowing much about it if they requested it.

            it kind of pisses me off that our politiicans can even view FISAs. their oversight doesnt require it.

            Warner requested it to leak it, cause he thought something big was there.

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            • Justin Green says:

              There should be and is Congressional oversight over FISA. The problem is they don’t care if there is FISA abuse so long as the abuse benefits them.

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        • Kent says:

          I scrolled quite a ways down this page looking for one name….

          Warner….

          I admit to be befuddled by the minute details being discussed here…but…I was/am of the opinion Warner is the/one of the true bandersnatches or jabberwocks in need of dealing with?

          OK….back to lurking…..

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      • Dave Sanderson says:

        SOURCE:

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    • Justin Green says:

      Seriously – post a damned source or stop posting nonsense. Something that important needs a source, not merely a troll post.

      Post up a source.

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    • Dave Sanderson says:

      SOURCE: (have a pen ready)

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      • Justin Green says:

        This exact list of unverified counts was posted LONG ago. In fact, this video was posted days ago.

        Please stop posting crap.

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  31. Steve says:

    Could it be as simple as the special council looked into the Wolfe leak and had the FISA doc so when it came time to release the FISA they used that one?

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    • Right to reply says:

      Nope, because the point of using Dugan’s doc was to hide the leak by Wolfe, and cover the ass of the NYT who received the leak.

      Had anyone noticed the date at the time, Mueller SC would have been finished, no more damage to Trump, and no impeachment inquiry. But, its also a double edge sword, because thanks to Sundance, we now know it was just Muellers team covering up the crimes, It was also the SSCI, and other UNIPARTY slime.

      Hence, WE KNOW

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  32. WhiteBoard says:

    There is only one reason Wolfe was not prosecute and that the DUGAN investigative work product was released (not the original).

    Wolfe would have been prosecuted for leaking if the Senators were CLEAN and NEVER used him for political leaking.

    This non-arrest indicates the Ugly Truth – that our Senate decided to cover this up to keep the impeachment potential moving forward.

    Treason – They ATTACKED OUR VOTE by framing an elected president and trying to undo the election through impeachment.

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  33. okiedelta says:

    Perhaps my question is not directly related to the topic of leak tracing and FBI equity material, but the ensuing discussion, for me, essentially proves that some singular person or very small cabal had to be orchestrating this program. Many spiders weaving many separate webs does not create the singular connected web that we see here.

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  34. WhiteBoard says:

    Solved.? ? ?

    By the time to October 2016 – May 2017 DOJ, found out they were caught, with the Wolfe Investigation, they were already moved over and within the Muller Lawyer team.

    To get caught in october 2017 for the crime (leak FISA to give public outcry for special prosecuter Mueller) they did in March 2017 would show intent and end the Muller investigation/Impeachment/Plea-deal-slap-on-the-wrists-moves.

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  35. Bryan Alexander says:

    Folks, Warner requested the FISA warrant legally. As SSCI Chairman, he could see that info.

    But, Wolfe could not request the document without approval of Warner. Considering Warner was looking at it close to the same time it was being photographed by Wolfe, Warner knew what Wolfe was doing. The fact that Warner’s role was buried is evidence that Warner was in legal jeopardy for the leak.

    Warner requested the FISA warrant to leak it it to the media. Worse, Warner is now definitively linked as coup conspirator. Warner enlisted Wolfe to leak classified information. That is a felony.

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  36. Joemama says:

    Possibly a related question is why did the special counsel release the Strzok-Page texts?

    If the reason was to shape a narrative, it doesn’t seem to be the narrative the special counsel would want to send. Why highlight the bias, hatred, maritial infidelity and underhanded dealings of these two?

    If the intent was to make Strzok & Page the fall guys in order to protect those in power above them, this effort seems to have failed.

    I really can’t think of a logical reason why the SC would send those texts out into the public.

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    • WhiteBoard says:

      to help people disregard the communications (assasination, treason) as marital affairs.. when i have yet to see one indication they flirted.

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  37. marckot77 says:

    Your theories are way off in the weeds. Remember SC controlled Everything.

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  38. marckot77 says:

    Your theories are way off in the weeds. Remember SC controlled Everything.

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  39. WhiteBoard says:

    Tash knew the Carter page fisa was BS – so she denied all request to the DOJ for it?

    Dugan went to the FISC to get it.

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  40. notvicchanko says:

    Can anyone point me to whatever document Sundance is referring to where the Dugan investigative details are? I’m referring to Sundance’s paragraph that begins, “As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process, he goes to great lengths to describe…”. The hyperlinked text just points to the Grand Jury Indictment on Scribd but nowhere in the document is any description of Dugan’s efforts in obtaining the copy of the FISA dated March 17, 2017 or any other mention of the FISA leak investigation other than Wolfe’s contacts with Reporters #1, #2, #3 and #4. In fact, I don’t see any reference to Dugan Or the FISA leak sting operation at all.
    Am I nuts or is there a mistake in the link to the source? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!

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    • wxobserver says:

      To my knowledge, nothing from Dugan’s investigative files is publicly available. All we have are various court filings by DOJ, Wolfe and SSCI in the case. The links are to those documents.

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  41. jus wundrin says:

    In 3 more days, the countdown ends.

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  42. bosscook says:

    Well it’s Kamala
    Joe/Blow 2020

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  43. trapper says:

    “Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?”

    Simple answer: Because so many people had taken a whack at the thing, and there were so many drafts and edits floating around, and the FBI and DOJ were so fouled up and sloppy and unprofessional in their procedures and record keeping, and both agencies had a propensity to fudge records and make things up AFTER the fact (all liars), that he couldn’t trust that anything he got from any of them was an unaltered copy of what was actually filed with the court, so he went to the court to get the real deal.

    “QUESTION: When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?”

    Answer: Because they knew Dugan’s copy was the only one that could be relied on to be a true copy of what was filed. When you are surrounded by sloppy, incompetent, and dishonest people you know they are sloppy, incompetent, and dishonest.

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    • Siege Perilous says:

      First point almost certainly resoundingly true.

      Second point, Sundance has already said it is to cover up the leak crimes, and a poster called Newhere nailed it earlier when they said that by declassifying the fbi equity it meant that at the time they let Wolfe slide, nothing he leaked at that precise moment ie the moment the judge punished him was classified.

      With that temporal ju jitsu, technically as per the written words of the charges, that was true, Mamet`s principle being a thousand yard set of iron blinkers at this point.

      Of course that is a load of bollocks, it is rank criminality and a seditious conspiracy.

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  44. beach lover says:

    Im sure Im not the only one that has heard Lou Dobbs announce that he had heard Durham will not recommend indictments for Comey, Brennan or Clapper or above. Please let Sundance get on with his plan.

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  45. Tparty says:

    The Feel pick has been announced. Kamala Harris. She is an obvious Obama pick and must have made a deal with the Coup Cabal to bury the evidence … That was my original pick as the Democrat nominee and ,considering Sleepy Joe’s battle with dimentia, will be the future of the party.

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    • Justin Green says:

      I’ve listened to him quite a bit before. He has some good insights. Here, though, I wonder if he overestimates the sophistication of the typical Democrat voter. Especially the deceased ones and the mail-in cat votes.

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  46. czarowniczy says:

    First thing that comes to my crippled paranoid mind is Dugan wanted to make sure he received a true copy of the document. A copy directly from the FISA files would prevent any delaying speculation as to the ‘trueness’ of the Bureau cop[y – one of those nitpicking points an opposing lawyer might bring up to obfuscate and delay were the document’s chain-of-custody questioned.

    There’s also the possibility that they might want to compare, word by word, the original FISA copy to the Bureau’s copy to see if they match. Remember, the Bureau’s been caught manipulating evidence to meet their needs/goals in the past.

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  47. craig says:

    Here’s a riddle for you involving the FISA orders.

    (p. 82) Original FISA order was issued Oct 3, 2016 for expiration on Jan 1, 2017.
    (p. 180) First renewal was granted Jan 1, 2017 for expiration on Apr 1, 2017.
    (p. 290) Second renewal was granted Apr 1, 2017 for expiration on Jun 30, 2017.
    (p. 411) Third renewal was granted Jun 30, 2017 for expiration on Sep 28, 2017.

    Q: How can we know the dates, since they are redacted?

    A: The second renewal can only fit within the April-June period and have a duration of 90 days if its exact dates are from April 1-June 30.

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  48. lambgraham says:

    Sadly, as most of us feared, Lou Dobbs is reporting an assistant under Durham says the the orgins of Russia Gate will be wrapped up by Labor Day. No indictments for Comey , Brennan , and Clapper.It looks like Clinesmith is all were going to get.
    On a side note, 14 criminal referrals by Nunes and no action by the traitor Wray and deep stater Barr. Correct me if I’m wrong, Barr has not released declassified material since President Trump gave him jurisdiction to do so. It was all Grenell and Ratcliffe.
    Sundance, it going to be very difficult to get push back when so many doors are closed. Praying for you and your team.

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  49. marymorse says:

    Who filed the FOIA, and what information was requested? Was it directed toward the Mueller investigation or Dugan’s?

    Dugan went to the court to get a certified copy of what was submitted. He knows that it hasn’t been altered, or if changes were made, those would be documented and certified as well. Since it’s Dugans equity, only Dugans investigation can make redactions?

    Why would a certified copy of the FISA application in the FBI counterinte investigation/Mueller investigation file be different? Why would they need an original certified copy? What happened to their copy?

    Wolfe sent electronic files. Where’s the original?

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