Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

If you ever read the indictment of SSCI Security Director James Wolfe [pdf HERE] you would notice how FBI Washington Field Office Supervisory Special Agent Brian Dugan conducted his leak investigation that ultimately led to James Wolfe.

As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process, he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017.  Agent Dugan then takes it to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where he gave it to SSCI Security Director James Wolfe.

Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

This is not supposition; this is the process described and outlined in court records. So, why go to the FISC and not the DOJ?

♦ Secondly, SSA Dugan goes to extreme lengths to draw attention to his copy; he calls the top secret FISA application an “FBI equity” in numerous documents. It’s his equity, his document, because he was the original equity holder of the document.

Agent Dugan was responsible for generating it. Dugan repeats that provenance again, and again in court records throughout 2018: “FBI Equity“.

[Document Link – page #3]

[Document Link – Page #13]

The March 17, 2017, copy of the FISA application -as stamped by the FISA Court- was FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s equity. It was inside his investigative file.

This March 17, 2017, copy is his investigative work product.

So riddle me this… QUESTION:

When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

Why did the DOJ find it necessary to release WFO FBI agent Brian Dugan’s equity?

Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?…. But more importantly, when the DOJ decided to release the FISA application to the public, why did they release FBI Agent Dugan’s copy?

The answers to these questions tell a big story.

Isn’t it curious how no-one has ever asked those questions?

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♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

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968 Responses to Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

  1. gsonFIT says:

    So I am not a big Twitter person, but I go there to read comments sometimes. There is a fairly significant Twitter bird challenging our leader Sundance on this post . Will not go into the details and again I am not a big Twitter guy, but everyone seemed to rally around our good man SD.

    SD sat back quietly and observed.

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  2. deeperinfo says:

    The variety of speculation in the comments reflects how complicated the details are in this entire Conspiracy.

    It all underscores the fantastic work that Sundance has done.

    This detailed Spygate graphic is just the surface… but very helpful in explaining. An update would be great.

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    • David Jay says:

      What jumped out at me: The U S Senate.

      Warner is certainly a key member of “Team Collusion”. What jumps out at me is there is no Burr on this chart. He either got totally “played” or he is a member as well. Either way he needs to be included in the chart.

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  3. islandpalmtrees says:

    When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

    The Special counsel team, was not sure, if FBI Agent Brian Dugan had included additional tags on the document referenced, other than it’s date. So, in order to avoid later discovery, The Special counsel team used Agent Brian Dugan’s copy, with one known tag.

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  4. kleen says:

    MS-17.
    17 gang bangers were given all the power of our justice system to undo 2016 presidential election.

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  5. The Boss says:

    Even more interesting is the last line of this article above the FISA – a question really.
    FTA: Isn’t it curious how no-one has ever asked those questions. [?]

    So does anybody else think Durham’s lead investigator is getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick?

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  6. minnesotamike55 says:

    I can see the importance of all this for any detailed investigation/court proceeding but unless you’re a Robert Ludlum fan, it will make heads spin. My wife and the general public will never follow the details. If it is simply portrayed as “Corrupt Government Bureaucrats plotted to hide actions by Obama administration to use government resources for political and financial gain”, it may fly as a main headline.

    Rather than call them Deep State, which to the uninformed sounds very conspiracy theory like, using CGB paints them with corruption and assigning the term bureaucrat also throws some negativity at them. Always, always, use factual accusatory terms and eventually everyone will believe that there are too many “CORRUPT GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS”. When the Trump firing escalates, people will shrug and say “more tax dollars saved”.

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    • Doppler says:

      Good point, mm. If only Ike had warned us about the Corrupt Government Bureaucrats in bed with defense conteactors.

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    • kittylenoir says:

      It’s true. So many details, too many details. Difficult to see the forest for the trees. Definitely need a concise summary as a road map.

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      • Weylan McAnally says:

        Need an easy to understand video. SD has done a ton of work, but without an easy explaination for the general public, this is going nowhere fast.

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      • serrafeena says:

        What they need is to reveal that Assange did not leak emails hacked by the Russians. The simplest most easy-to-articulate fraud is the root of the whole damn thing. It’s a 2 minute PowerPoint presentation by Barr having a press conference. All he has to say at the end is that a tangled web of conspiracies ensued from that fraud involving the DOJ, FBI, IC, Congress (both houses) and disloyal members of the Trump administration. He intends to hand all evidence over to an outside counsel that cannot be “turned off” after the election and the head of that counsel is someone like Rudy Giuliani. In addition, he indicts a “starter’ group of criminals such as Clinesmith, Comey, etc. And he releases a few startling underlying docs (such as the multiple versions of that FISA) that prove there are huge and obvious problems. Anyway, just thinking of scenarios that could be interesting at this point. And an approach that is simple for the public. Not that it would ever happen this way, or even that it should. It’s just so damned complex.

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      • rebate456 says:

        For every BLM sign we should have 5 ‘WE KNOW” signs. No explanations. To those who are genuinely interested say, “What? You don’t know?” Make them come to you.

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    • gsonFIT says:

      You need a simple explanation, a moderate one and then a more complex one. I.D. the suitable presentation for the person you are educating and proceed. PDJT is going to make the world great again. He is just starting with America

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    • Judith says:

      When it comes to filling in the masses, that is entirely up to us. You know the ENEmedia will *never* do it. Their followers have about as much as chance of stumbling across TCH, as I do tuning into CNN.

      We therefore need cliff notes, like a Big Ugly for Dummies, if we are to red pill the TDS crowd. Hit them with the *sledgehammer* of truth, then provide footnotes to flesh out the meticulous research, for those inclined to go there. Ideally, this would take the form of leaflets left in fence posts and coffee shops.

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    • rebate456 says:

      As my well-educated daughter said,”I went to that web site but I didn’t know what they were talking about and I had to work the next day.” She’s not alone. But I’m sure SD’s team has already considered this.

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  7. islandpalmtrees says:

    Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?
    1) To show the purity of the chain of custody, on what I see as a sting operation.
    2) To include the FISA judge, in his sting operation. He must have realized the power of the SSCI. I am not going to change the FISA app without the Judges approval.

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  8. wait a minute says:

    Maybe the answer to the question of why he went to FISC is because it was easier to get it from them vs. having to jump through a bunch of crap to get it from the DOJ. Sometimes it is easier to go around the bureaucracy.

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  9. JC says:

    Island palm trees….
    You might have answered a question I posted earlier. I was wondering if agent Dugan was busted of wrongdoing or was it the FISA court or both. This stuff is all set up for everyone taking down Trump. They’re all involved. This is deep.

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  10. California Joe says:

    I hope that AG Barr understands that if President Trump loses the election not only will the Durham investigation be derailed immediately but these renegade prosecutors led by Andrew Weissman and directed by Obama will again launch an investigation of Donald J Trump, his family and friends with the renewed intention of prosecuting him and putting him behind bars and there will be nobody there to stop them this time!

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    • James Groome says:

      They will investigate BARR along with everyone else who is any closer than 5 degrees away from DJT.

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      • GOYA says:

        What’s to say they haven’t already?

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      • Robert Smith says:

        To wrap up everything nicely, anything touching Trump including Barr will be destroyed. After all, Barr could have let Mueller SC continue doing what they were doing. The basic idea is that everything Trump is corrupt and they will make that become a reality.

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    • atomichillbilly says:

      they won’t just be coming after Trump, they’ll be coming after all of us.

      I’m wondering if the reason Barr/Durham haven’t indicted anyone is because there’s too many resistards among the rank & file swamprat prosecutors?

      A foot dragging mutiny of inaction….?

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    • rebate456 says:

      Of course AG Brr knows that!!! Everybody knows that!

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  11. Miguel Suradevi says:

    So im all in but there is no way i could explain what is revealed here. Thats why I love Trump because i can understand everything he says. I hope what im supposed to pass on to others will be at a level that can be understood by me and average Americans.

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  12. islandpalmtrees says:

    Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?

    SSA Brian Dugan’s was required by his chain of command to turn over his file, which included the FISA, therefore we are forced to believe that his chain of command, in turn, provided SSA Brian Dugan’s file. to the special council team.

    However, their is the possibility that the FISA Judge working with SSA Brian Dugan, provided a copy directly to the special council team.

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    • kleen says:

      His copy was modified by him turned into a bait. Catch leaker bait. It had the date wrong. The wrong info in that FISA indicated that, lthe eaked FISA was the FISA shown to Wolf. When that bait FISA got out, we had our leaker. he leaked the bait FISA with the wrong date. (only he had that wrong date)

      Get a real FISA copy.
      Modified it to make it distinct.
      Show that FISA to one person.
      When he leaks that FISA you have your leaker.

      So the MS-17 released that modified FISA to the public(since it was already out) and redacted the date because the date on the leaked FISA was wrong/ leak bait.
      They couldn’t release the real date, that would give the crime away. So they redacted the date.

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      • WSB says:

        Which was just as silly.

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        • islandpalmtrees says:

          We know, that Liu turned over SSA Brian Dugan file to the SP, from Sundance. But then how did that file travel from SSA Brian Dugan to Liu. Through Dugan’s chain of command at the FBI.

          We can also see, that Dugan is smart. Knowing full well that the SSCI is very powerful. Would you claim that one of it’s members is corrupt without support. The FISC Judge, I can not see him/her but I know this person must be their.

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      • islandpalmtrees says:

        True, but that’s not the end of the story.

        Unless SSA Brian Dugan was crazy, he knew, he would need help, to go up against a member of the most powerful committee in the Senate, SSCI. What better place to get that help than from the a FISC Judge.

        Logically, this was a team effort. See the difference now.

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        • Fubu says:

          But another question becomes, How did the MS-17 KNOW about the altered FISA and what the changes were?

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          • islandpalmtrees says:

            Dugan file. After it arrived at the Special council
            Dugan file. After it arrived at Liu’s office.
            OR, from a corrupt FISC Judge.

            In effect, anyone along the chain of custody

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  13. Lower case “Scull and Bones” this FBI/DOJ operation

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  14. thomas says:

    History will prove sundance is correct but i’m afraid we will not get the justice we deserve in this lifetime…. Either way good work..!!

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  15. In my humble opinion if the info herein is correct, Donald Trump himself will explain it many times during press meetings and in rally speeches.

    What say others on this?

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  16. Justin Green says:

    Why get it from the FISC?
    Dugan could have easily changed a date on the DOJ copy for a leak trap in the same way he changed the FISA court copy. In that sense, there doesn’t seem to be anything special about which copy was used to set the leak trap.

    Chain of custody wouldn’t seem to matter either. Dugan changed the date and then immediately delivered it to Wolf. Again, doesn’t matter which version he changed, so long as he changed it in a way that his version delivered to Wolf was unique from the version he started with, and any other version in existence. Before Dugan changed the date and gave it to Wolf, it wouldn’t matter how many people handled it for his purposes.

    Dugan didn’t want to have to notify the DOJ that their equity had been leaked. By getting a copy from the FISC, it became FBI equity, and Dugan could keep his investigation more closely held within the FBI.

    Dugan’s purpose was to catch a leaker, not unravel Spygate or catch the SC doctoring documents.

    Now, why did SC release Dugan’s version, when they, too, could have easily redacted dates on either version?
    1) To try and prevent it from getting out that it was a FISA application that was leaked, and/or
    2) The copy the FISA court had didn’t match the DOJ copy in more substantial ways. Again, dates could be easily redacted on either document by the SC just as Dugan could have changed dates in either version for his purposes.

    My guess, anyway.

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    • Conundrum says:

      Duggan’s copy was an FBI equity. DOJ/SC could not legally release to public an FBI equity. SC illegally released Dugan FISA.

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      • Justin Green says:

        It wasn’t being released to the public. It was being shown to the SSCI, which has security clearance.

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        • Fubu says:

          It was released to the public through a FOIA request.

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          • Fubu says:

            Therein lies the problem for the Special Counsel. They released, through a FOIA request, the FBI Equity version, to cover all the people that had received it, and the Special Counsel shouldn’t have had that version to release.

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            • litenmaus says:

              Yep. Dugan’s copy should have been sealed away in a grand jury file. It shouldn’t have been available for release for any FOIA request, let alone a FOIA from the media.

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    • litenmaus says:

      “Now, why did SC release Dugan’s version, when they, too, could have easily redacted dates on either version? 1) To try and prevent it from getting out that it was a FISA application that was leaked”

      Handling caveats and abbreviations have been adopted that can be included in the summary classification marking (header/footer) to enable the restrictions to BE IDENTIFIED AT A GLANCE……

      The three copies of the Carter Page Verified Application that came from the Special Counsel are all clearly marked with the caveat – – TOP SECRET/NO FORN/FISA

      The 10-16 copy of the Verified Application that is Brian Dugans working document, that he received directly from the FISA Clerk, is clearly marked with the caveat – TOP SECRET/NO FORN – – – no mention of FISA in the Classification. I find that to be very odd…..

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  17. devilman96 says:

    Man I am so infuriated with WordPress!!! I wrote a very complex answer to this and it friggen ate it… He’s the snarky short form.

    You guys are lost in the weeds…

    Dugan created his version with the court directly because he knew no one could be trusted. He build the equity and personally carried it in a chain of custody leaving no wiggle room for the soon to come “who done it” game.

    The date issues are well discussed… The NYTs had already run with the incorrect date in reporting, it put their FOIA request for the official document and follow up reporting into question. It trapped the SC in wanting to get the FISA application out for propaganda… But exposed their cover-up of the Wolfe issue. This forced them to release Dugan’s copy else they would be explaining the existence of the two versions.

    This is the giant pickle the DOJ is currently in… To expose anything is to expose the SSCI cover-up.

    Dugan’s trap was way better than he expected!!!

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    • devilman96 says:

      Also… And I think this may be Sundance’s real question…

      All of this is so easy to get lost in, the Dugan, NYT, SC and SSIC, DOJ pickle had been really well covered. However in the VOLUME of things this massively important point is easy to loose, even on avid CTH readers.

      When I first came to the CTH site I had to spend weeks playing the “go deep” game but fortunately for myself the analysis in me thrives on meat and potatoes of the mundane.

      Two – three years later, I couldn’t imagine being a newbie here… It’s months of non stop reading to scratch the surface of it.

      Another good tie in for a missing piece of the puzzle is J.E. Dyer’s Liberty Unyielding articles on the background of the data and IT systems involved in all of this. But you have to be a glutton for punishment to chase it all down. 😉

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      • Judith says:

        I have found it easier to first type my longer comments into my notepad, and then copy and paste it into the comments. That way wordpress can’t bug out and lose it.

        I used to have that problem, with the page jumps and dropped comments, when I first began commenting. Copy/paste was my workaround until that problem went away. It also helps with edits before hitting “send.”

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    • Justin Green says:

      To catch the leaker, chain of custody only mattered after Dugan changed the date.

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    • trapper says:

      We all do the analysis with the benefit of hindsight. However, Dugan was doing the equivalent of planting a tracker on a car. You don’t know where it is going to go at the time you plant it. All you can do is plant it and then sit back and watch and see how it all plays out, who it catches and what it catches them doing.

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      • And limit who knows the tracker is on the car not only potential targets but in-house colleagues that might be on the take.

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      • Justin Green says:

        Yes, and purely for purposes of tracking, it doesn’t matter where he bought the tracking device, so long as he received a unique signal (HIS changing of the dates).

        DOJ/FBI – didn’t make a difference so far as the efficacy of the tracking was concerned. There have to be other considerations in his decision – i.e. the “duty to inform”.

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  18. sloobiesloobiedoo says:

    What’s ‘on’ the documents.
    I wonder if she has any relation to him.

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  19. Patience says:

    “As SSCI Director of Security Wolfe was responsible for
    receiving,
    maintaining
    and managing
    all classified information

    ~>provided to the SSCI
    ~~> by the Executive Branch<~~ of the United States "

    Note: In 1st paragraph of both links Sundance provided in this thread/article

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  20. Auwtsnae says:

    As far as we know, the only part of the FISA application that Dugan changed was the date.

    I suspect that the SC decision to release the FBI/ Dugan copy, rather than their copy, was because the true date of the document has some significance.

    I also suspect that Dugan obtained his copy directly from the FISC for operational security reasons.

    He was conducting a leak investigation.

    If he had gone to the DOJ NSD for the document there would have been questions from the Mueller cabal.

    The fewer traitors that knew what he was doing the better.

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    • Justin Green says:

      It wouldn’t have been a secret, necessarily, that someone was delivering a FISA application to the SSCI to review.

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      • Auwtsnae says:

        True, the delivery itself shouldn’t have caused any concern.

        WHO was doing the delivery likely would have caused concern, given that he was conducting a leak investigation.

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        • Justin Green says:

          Indeed… IF the SC/DOJ knew he wasn’t normally responsible for delivering material to the SSCI.

          That would have raised flags for both parties, were they cognizant of those duties. Mueller/DOJ would be surprised he was delivering the docs, and Wolf, who’d been in the job a long time, would also have been suspicious, were he not an appropriate person to be delivering the material.

          Further, we’d have to know how those SSCI requests were normally routed through the FBI/DOJ. I have no idea how that works.

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  21. Rather Not Say says:

    My take: SSA Dugan knew that the corrupt cabal would protect its own, regardless of executive, legislative, judicial, or the press or others. If he got the FISA copy from the DOJ, it would be corrupt DOJ equity, and when busted for leaking something top secret, they would just declassify it to protect their own. SA Dugan either incorrectly believed the FBI was not corrupt and stop that (DOJ/NSD could declassify ‘their’ copy, but not his equity/copy from FISC and would not tank his leak case) or he believed the FBI leadership was corrupt, and they were also caught in Dugan’s trap.

    Why did SC release his equity rather than a clean copy? Because I am sure Dugan was using more than one leak trace. They were warning every one else on team corrupt what the ‘clean’ leak trace was, and the others with different leak traces could see where ‘their’ copy was different and make sure it never saw the light of day. They were sabotaging other leak cases against team corrupt.

    The key domino is that Wolfe threatened to bring down the SSCI in his defense, and that the prosecutors effectively wrist slapped to avoid that rather than pulling that thread to reveal lots of swamp. Presumably the SSCI (inappropriately) pressured those making prosecutorial decisions. And instead of grabbing that thread and revealing more and higher level corruption, DOJ inappropriately wrist slapped Wolfe to make it all go away.

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    • devilman96 says:

      Thank you for posting that… I had to summarize it in my post above from memory but couldn’t get all of the details, there are just too many.

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    • All Too Much says:

      It’s not what’s in the document, it’s what is on the document. The clerk’s stamp is on the SSCI, court released, document, but would not be on the DOJ copy. The stamp is the leak tracer.

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      • Justin Green says:

        Dugan could have changed any detail that was leak-worthy to effect the trace. It didn’t have to be a date. But I suspect a date was the most innocent appearing.

        I don’t have – and maybe nobody does – access to the DOJ copy to compare.

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        • litenmaus says:

          That is an issue….In July 2018, the DOJ is said to have released the Original Warrant and the three renewals in response to FOIA, but that’s a lie, we’ve never seen an unaltered copy….

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      • Justin Green says:

        Further, if the sole purpose of going to FISA by Dugan was to find a newsworthy yet nonchalant detail to change for purposes of running a leak trace, that seems to be boring as far as “further ramifications” go.

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    • Linda K. says:

      Thank you Bogeyfree for remembering that post and Sundance for writing it.

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  22. Janet says:

    Does it strike you as odd that Sundance says hardly anyone he spoke with in DC, not to mention Barr/Durham, had all the info Sundance is presenting? THAT IS OUR FAULT! Every single time a new article appears here, we MUST spread it around!

    Every single day, every single one of us must link to the newest CTH article! We must do this on the Facebook AND Twitter pages of people who can take action and/or spread the word … like Trump, Eric Trump, Don Trump Jr,, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, etc.

    ALSO: Sundance needs to be in touch with these two on twitter: @lisameicrowley and @prayingmedic because they know how to get in touch with JOE M who makes amazing videos about all this already and can help SD get the word out with viral videos. Very important!

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    • Many here know why, many do not
      You can not imagine what many other blog owners and posters say about sundance and this blog.

      nasty nasty,,, many reasons I guess but it is what it is

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    • PaulCohen says:

      Joe M is one of the chief Qooks…. he will make whatever vids he wants to say it was all coming from “Q”…. same goes for @prayingmedic and @lisameicrowley, they will collect all info and pretend it came from “Q drops” or secret messaging…. it does not help to advance rational evidence-based discussion and action.

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  23. Ornus says:

    I have a question and maybe SD already mentioned it and I missed it, but who tasked Dugan to investigate the SSCI?

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  24. TarsTarkas says:

    Here’s a theory I came up while chopping a trail through weeds:

    Dugan was on the SC team. He was conducting a leak investigation on behalf of Weissman because the SSCI was leaking info for their own purposes, which was interfering with the SC operation. There’s a lot of players in the effort against DJT, and not all their goals coincide. Wolfe gets caught, threatens to drag the SSCI into trouble, the SSCI makes a deal with DOJ/Weissman, Wolfe gets slapped on the wrist, and the SSCI skates. But the SSCI also gets the message: Muh Russia belongs solely to the SC. Interfere again and we’ll f**k with you again.

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  25. ajshu says:

    Here’s another question that was never asked: Why did Christopher Steele inject himself into an American election? Remember, Steele is a British national What does he care about who wins the American election? I may not like who is elected in France, but I don’t personally involved myself in the outcome. This is a red herring story that has no substance in reality and strain credulity.

    A story I dug up on Steele which has never been reported anywhere is that while he was at MI5, he was tasked with protecting Alexander Litvinenko. As we know, Litvinenko was poisoned with Polonium 210 while under Steele’s guard. In MI5 if someone is assassinated under your watch, you immediately fall under suspicion of either being complicit in the assassination or were grossly negligent. It is under this shadow of suspicion that Steele was forced to leave MI5.

    Often, the government will forgo a court trial as they do not want secret information being released in a public trial. So Steele had to leave MI5. This means that he could, in fact, be a Russian asset acting on behalf of Putin. The story that he “hates Trump” never rung true with me. So what he hates Trump? There are a lot of people I hate that doesn’t mean I actively set out to destroy their career. It makes no sense.

    Hence, he should be charged with espionage. I don’t understand why he is treated like someone who had nothing to do with all this. We have an extradition treaty with the UK and he can easily be indicted and brought here to stand trial for espionage. If this wasn’t espionage, creating so much chaos and agitation over an election, then nothing is.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Why did Steele do it?

      $$$$$$$

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    • Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr, Rosenstink, Wray Wrong Way

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Steele writes political dirt and the US is likely the biggest market with Hillary in charge.

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    • PaulCohen says:

      Steele was MI6, not MI5. Big difference. Steele was more of a paper pusher and tasked with “external” not internal UK security matters. I hugely doubt he had anything directly to do with guarding Litvenenko one AL had defected (received asylum). The poisoning was SIX years after AL came to the UK to live. MI6 would not have been providing his security. This is a fictitious story.

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    • Sonia says:

      The full answer deserves its own (several) spy novels.

      Trump claimed that British intelligence (GCHQ) spied on him (The Guardian). All hushed up to protect transatlantic relations.

      When Trump won the election, Steele destroyed all of his notes, according to his testimony in the London case, while the British government hurried to inform the incoming White House that Steele was a rogue agent deemed unreliable by the British government. The head of the British spy agency GCHQ, Robert Hannigan, unexpectedly resigned on January 23, 2017, coinciding with the inauguration of Donald Trump. Hannigan first gave ‘family reasons’ for his resignation, and when this was questioned, a ‘pedophile friend’. Hannigan was Steele’s mentor.

      Sir Richard Dearlove, the former chief of British intelligence, is closely linked to Steele, Stefan Halper, and Michael Flynn. Dearlove reputedly became Steele’s mentor during their years together at MI6.

      Steele was paid, but it was more about the UK pro-globalisation politics and anti-Trump sentiment amonst the British establishment and intelligence community.

      Steele is still producing ‘intelligence’ reports and regularly wheeled out by the BBC as their (paid) Russian, and now Chinese, intel expert.

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  26. Dave Sanderson says:

    OFF TOPIC:
    I’m still listening to the Flynn en banc hearing at 1:10 pm, which started shortly after 9:30 am. I’m not a lawyer, but it sounds to me like he could still be buried by the courts. Grrrrrrrrrr

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  27. detad1 says:

    More talk, no action.

    Thanks for your time.

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  28. kleen says:

    Ohhh the delicate balance that must not dare to get near it…

    The delicate balance.
    National Security.
    Classified information.
    Redacted sensitive information.

    Code words for cover-up

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  29. As this goes forward, never forget the evil incest between Harvard, Yale law schools and the top of FBI/DOJ both in DC and NYC and the top lobbying firms in DC.

    The DC evil money cult $ re-election money deep membership enablers.

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  30. Bogeyfree says:

    So many people who could have done the right thing for honest justice but chose not to………

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  31. Lake Tolbert says:

    It’s hard to follow, but I think Sundance has pretty much already answered his questions. This is a test of memory and comprehension. At any rate, I’m ready to make my guess.

    Dugan went to the FISA Court: 1) To be sure there were no leaks in the DOJ/FBI that he got a copy; and 2) to get that stamp from the FISA Clerk–3/17/17—which made it absolutely unique. He could have just as well doctored a DOJ/FBI Copy by its date and whatever else he might have planted to catch the leaker—but he knew nobody else would have one stamped 3/17/17 by the FISA Court.

    The Criminals at the Mueller Cabal then had to release that one because it was the one leaked to the Media. That gave the Media a legal way to claim they had it, and to use it openly—but it needed to be the one they already had through the leak.

    AND, it allowed them to hide (continue to hide) the fact James Wolfe leaked it—since they were hiding that crime from everybody–if that Fraud was known, it would have completely undermined their own Investigation.

    State another way, Mueller’s Cabal committed a crime, obstruction of justice, and maybe other crimes, by hiding Wolfe’s Leak crime from others in the DOJ, including those prosecuting Wolfe, and leaking Dugan’s copy made sure their own crime was covered up.

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  32. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Just say’n… 😉

    Too Funny…

    Throw them a bone.

    Keeps them happy
    and harmless. 🙂

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  33. J.G. says:

    Why aren’t we just asking Brian Dugan that???
    Did I miss his obituary in the paper or something?

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    • MACAULAY says:

      Hopefully, they are.

      Hopefully, there is a vast difference between what we the People know and what Durham knows.

      After 4 years, Sundance has quite correctly decided that the People need to know as much as possible in case Durham turns out to be another Huber.

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    • Phil Free says:

      Brian Dugan did not kill himself.

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    • gsonFIT says:

      You gotta believe it has been asked and answered of Agent Dugan. He is a Patriot!

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  34. Conundrum says:

    So how could SC legally release to the public the Dugan FISA, an FBI equity?

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  35. WhiteBoard says:

    ♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

    To conduct a leak investigation. and the edited document would be an “FBI equity”.

    ♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

    To try and fix the screwup of getting caught with an “FBI equity” and not an original FISA document

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    • Right to reply says:

      No, because they had no original, and could not go back and request a copy of the original. Too suspicious.

      Why use Dugan’s? Because there’s was altered to give them greater corrupt reach into things not of their concern. Using Dugan’s was a true copy, they just needed to redact the untrue date.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Why was Dugan even conducting a leak investigation to start with? Who tasked him into doing it? I’m not seeing that asked anywhere. FBI agents don’t just go around saying, ‘hm, this looks funny, let’s investigate’. Someone told him to do it.

        Who is that someone?

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        THE COUP Senate – can not request the original – because they ARE ALREADY caught with the FBI equity (Brian requested the orginal from FISC – to look legit – changed the day of the month on it – then gave to Leaker Wolfe)

        There fore – THEY CANT HIDE this FCK UP. instead the COUP trys to act like its the normal FISA and includes it in the release.

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  36. hankjedimaster says:

    Shouldn’t there be a record of when the TOP SECRET/NOFORN classification was removed, by whom and with a cross reference to the authority for the change?

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  37. lorendean01 says:

    Easy legal answer.
    Wolf flipped and gave up the entire Warner operation

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  38. lorendean01 says:

    Easy legal answer.
    Wolf flipped and gave up the entire Warner operation

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  39. One Voice says:

    Did the DOJ purposely want Wolfe to be discovered as the leaker?

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    • Hans says:

      Yes to lead away from the senate coup attempt.
      His love story was a cover IMHO to deflect away from.. Why did mr Wolf do that?

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  40. Shop says:

    My answers to the mystery questions:

    1. Dugan went to FISC to get Carter Page FISA application because that was the representation DOJ/FBI made to the court. It couldn’t be monkeyed around. Unlike the DOJ copy that could have been edited later.

    2. Dugan made it into a FBI equity by changing the date as he suspected SSCI would leak it to further the Russia Collusion narrative.

    3. Team Mueller released it as they knew that was the copy Ali Watkins had which the NY Times was using to write their stories furthering the Russia Collusion narrative.

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    • Justin Green says:

      #1 is logically unnecessary strictly for purposes of running a leak trace.

      #2 apparently, it was FBI equity solely by virtue of him requesting it from the FISA. Could be wrong here.

      #3 Team Mueller could have released their version – especially if there were no dates on it whatsoever, and no differences would have been noted other than the filing dates – in one case extant because it was filed, and in another case, missing, because it was the version submitted. In which case the difference would be perfectly plausible – we released our version without the court stamps. The other version has the court stamps. Big deal.

      No, there surely seems to be differences ON TOP OF the dates.

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  41. Patience says:

    Didn’t Tash ‘filter’ information given to DOJ?

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  42. kleen says:

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  43. PaulCohen says:

    BREAKING: This is big. I know we have too many drip drips exhausting our patience, but this implies documentary evidence that the Crossfire Hurricane “predicate” was a sham (as we all know) — proving that Strzok and [unnamed FBI agent] were working directly with Steele weeks before CH was officially launched is huge.

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  44. Right to reply says:

    Dugan seems to be a thoroughly decent man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiJDuD9_q7g

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    • gsonFIT says:

      Hero

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    • The_Real Bob W. says:

      Mercy!!! Talk about “being deep into the weeds”, what an extraordinary find! Thanks for posting. While I haven’t (yet) absorbed the entire conversation – which stands on its own as “a thing of significance” (even though having [ostensibly] zero to do with the seditious coup) – I couldn’t help but notice the subscribers/times-viewed numbers…

      We return now to our regularly scheduled programming.

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  45. ahorseshoer says:

    So the court clerk that stamped the fisa is Leeann Flynn Hall , which is the aunt of Michael Flynn????

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  46. Gary says:

    To keep the dates the same? Different dates proves the classified leak. that the SC. removed the evidence of?

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    • All Too Much says:

      SD says it’s what’s on the document, not what’s in in.
      A DOJ copy, if sent to the SSCI, would not have the court’s verification stamp on it.
      To prove the leak came from outside DOJ, a copy was obtained from FISC, thus the clerk’s stamp. The stamp became the leak tracer.

      That’s the best I have come up with and I have thought about it, as have others, a lot.
      But I keep going back to what SD said about what’s on, not in.
      My explanation/thought, above, occurred to me only in the last ten minutes or so.

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      • RAC says:

        Different judges signatures are on them.

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      • RAC says:

        (A) In January 2017, the FBI renewed its warrant application, which FISC judge Michael Mosman granted later that month under docket 17-52. The renewal was set to expire sometime in April 2017.

        (B) In April 2017, the FBI submitted a second renewal application, which FISC judge Anne C. Conway granted later that month under docket 17-375. This second renewal was set to expire sometime in June 2017.

        (C) In June 2017, the FBI submitted a third renewal application, which FISC judge Raymond J. Dearie granted later that month under docket 17-679. This third renewal expired sometime in September 2017.

        (A) Must be the one that Dugan got a copy of.
        (C) Was the the one that was the FOIA relase.

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  47. hankjedimaster says:

    When was the classification restriction of the document removed?

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  48. Oldretiredguy says:

    FBI Dugan used his own copy as a leak tracer, different date than original. Maybe he himself knew the potential of leaks from the DOJ itself. Muellers scammers knew they had to use the Dugan copy because it was the one that had become public by an identified means (Wolfe)
    Had they released a copy of the original it would have appeared they themselves were not part of Dugans leak investigation. Also, they were probably unsure of where all Dugans copy would show up

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  49. gsonFIT says:

    So the same guy that was beating up SD on Twitter saying this path was a fallacy, elaborated on “FBI Equity” His comment was that “Equity” referred to classification of the document. To me that means redaction etc. The text message to Ali Watkins from Wolf was like 83 pages (maybe 1 blank) and the one to New York Times from “Traitor” Warner was 86 or 87 pages. I dont recall but longer, So somebody changed something.

    I happen to think one showed Carter Page as Intel Agent and one did not

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