Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

If you ever read the indictment of SSCI Security Director James Wolfe [pdf HERE] you would notice how FBI Washington Field Office Supervisory Special Agent Brian Dugan conducted his leak investigation that ultimately led to James Wolfe.

As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process, he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017.  Agent Dugan then takes it to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where he gave it to SSCI Security Director James Wolfe.

Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

This is not supposition; this is the process described and outlined in court records. So, why go to the FISC and not the DOJ?

♦ Secondly, SSA Dugan goes to extreme lengths to draw attention to his copy; he calls the top secret FISA application an “FBI equity” in numerous documents. It’s his equity, his document, because he was the original equity holder of the document.

Agent Dugan was responsible for generating it. Dugan repeats that provenance again, and again in court records throughout 2018: “FBI Equity“.

[Document Link – page #3]

[Document Link – Page #13]

The March 17, 2017, copy of the FISA application -as stamped by the FISA Court- was FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s equity. It was inside his investigative file.

This March 17, 2017, copy is his investigative work product.

So riddle me this… QUESTION:

When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

Why did the DOJ find it necessary to release WFO FBI agent Brian Dugan’s equity?

Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?…. But more importantly, when the DOJ decided to release the FISA application to the public, why did they release FBI Agent Dugan’s copy?

The answers to these questions tell a big story.

Isn’t it curious how no-one has ever asked those questions?

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♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

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968 Responses to Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

  1. FreedomLover says:

    They had to release Dugan’s copy to make sure it matched what was provided to the FISC.

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    • Johnny says:

      Exactly

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    • Tulips Moran says:

      Actually I’m beginning to believe there may be MULTIPLE copies of all the FISC applications because of the massive corruption in manufacturing evidence and creating a phony investigation.

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      • rayvandune says:

        With all due respect, I don’t think that is what the information at the link means. At the link, SD argues that OTHER applications to the Court were ALSO invalid for various reasons, or at least that’s how I read it.

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    • No.

      Dugan went to the FISC to get HIS copy of the Carter Page surveillance application so that he could be CERTAIN that IT was exactly as the FISC received it, and he made certain to document and cite his process in order to establish an indisputable chain of custody.

      THEN, before giving that document to James Wolfe at the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dugan made a small alteration (changed a date) so that if the application was leaked, he could SPOT IT and later PROVE where it came from. The SSCI was suspected of leaking, Wolfe was SET UP, and took the bait. Dugan HAD HIM.

      But, Sundance’s most IMPORTANT question wasn’t about what DUGAN did… that was just ‘setting the stage’. The BIG questions followed:

      WHY did Main Justice use DUGAN’S copy to fulfill the FOIA request, and (later) the public release of the Page FISA application?

      And the answers prove that Main Justice was COVERING UP to protect (among others) members of the SSCI.

      Main Justice used DUGAN’S copy to make certain it MATCHED that which they KNEW had already been leaked. Otherwise, someone might figure out that the SSCI was corrupt.

      The irony is that Main Justice implicated ITSELF in the process. THEY were a part of the scheme to surveil the Trump Campaign, along WITH members of the SSCI AND, if you review the timeline for the release of FOIA request and the PUBLIC release, you’ll see how Main Justice ALSO conspired to cover this up WELL INTO the Trump PRESIDENCY. It went WAY BEYOND “Dirty Politics” of compiling “Opposition Research” and trying to frame a CANDIDATE with it.

      Their perfidy extended to the point of active participation in a “Soft Coup” plot to unseat a legally elected President of the United States of America.

      And many of these people are STILL in place.

      Good catch, Sundance.

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  2. T2020 says:

    SD mentioned this in a previous post. How the leak was caught because the date had been changed in the leaked copy. Also, SD mentioned a while back about the top female in the DOJ who had either intentionally dropped the ball or delayed the investigation into the Wolfe leak.

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  3. jmclever says:

    Dugan got a copy from FISC because at least one judge on that court was in on the plan to expose the liars and leakers? IIRC the 99 page Collyer rebuke was ordered to be released to the public by the FISC. So maybe the Special Counsel has been had by the FISC and the FISC gave the coup group the rope with which they have hanged themselves? Maybe committing fraud against the FISC makes (at least one of) them mad? It’s not nice to fool Rosemary Collyer! (One can dream.)

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    • Right to reply says:

      I don’t believe that. Collyer ordered all illegally obtained material destroyed.

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    • Blind no Longer says:

      Does this mean that the DOJ original copy of the FISA not match the information on SSA Dugan’s file?

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Correct. The DOJ original copy has the correct date on it. So is there a copy of that FISA out there?

        Dugan either knew or suspected shenanigans were going on.

        But it’s still a bit of a rabbit hole.

        Without an ‘official’ predicate none of this BS would have happened (we know what the actual predicate was, Orange Man is Bad).

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  4. Susan Harms says:

    sorry to be a spoil sport but when SD poses a question and everyone starts speculating, it just confuses some of us more. what is the path? what is the truth? I cant figure it out or I would be SD. I just want to know the truth not solve a riddle.

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    • jmclever says:

      Sundance poses a question for one of two reasons. Either we are being nudged to think for ourselves and see a novel line of reasoning OR it really is a question that needs asking and the collective rumination of hundreds of problem solvers with different areas of expertise and experience cam come up with an answer.

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      • Clay More says:

        SD is employing the Socratic Method. The answers to these questions posed this am were provided in the previous post “it’s not what is in the document, it’s what’s on it”. By posing questions, it forces critical reasoning; also, when you get to the correct answer it is now seared into your ROM. This is because we are more likely to believe what we tell ourselves as opposed what someone else spoon feeds us. We are supposed to “ride” like Paul Revere and be able to tell and cogently explain to others what happened, who broke the law, and why it matters (corruption leads to collapse from within); that Patriots must take a stand and not allow this to continue. It’s about preserving the USA as founded

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        • guybee55 says:

          What if Dugan changed the FISC document to conform to the SC lies. If they released the original it would be different and not conform to the Dugan Equity. Just saying. Nothing is beyond the pale with these people.

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        • Genie says:

          ‘zackly right, Claymore! Your post should be moved to the top and repeated after every five other posts. Front towards the enemy and then rain fire down on Charlie.

          Drive on, or better still, ride on!

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        • Kristin DeBacco says:

          Clay More: right on! Right on. Thank you for concisely explaining.

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        • Robin Ruprecht says:

          I may get beat up for saying this….but it sounds a lot like the method Q is using.

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        • readyandable1 says:

          I believe the “what’s on it” refers to the stamps of the FISC court, which the DOJ copy would not have since it doesn’t get stamped until the court has it.

          I believe know the SSCI/Wolfe was told to get their own copy (the court said get it from DOJ/FBI) but the copy he got ended up being SSA Dugan’s copy, which had the court stamps (since he got it from the FISC court), thus could not be the DOJ copy.

          I believe SSA Dugan killed two birds with 1 stone: he exposed the leak with his date change, but also since that forced SC team to release his copy later to cover their NYT/Ali W. leak, it exposes that there is, without a doubt, another copy; that being the DOJ copy without stamps.

          Further it exposes that in fact it was with purposeful intent that they could not release their own DOJ copy (Which would make the most sense for a FOIA release) and had to use SSA Dugan’s, due to the date, but that also have stamps and that makes no sense. We know the FOIA fulfillment does not come directly from the FISC court, so any FOIA fulfillment by the DOJ shouldn’t/couldn’t have stamps, but it does.

          That, my friends, is the PROOF, right here of both the intentional leaking by Wolfe/SCCi, and the proof of the criminal intent of the FOIA release by the SC/DOJ office.

          Or, I’m an idiot and got a bunch of stuff mixed up and wrong. If so, sorry folks!

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          • doyouseemyvision says:

            You are right. SD has said the Special Counsel was operating as the defacto DOJ and therefore, was authorizing all DOJ FOIA requests. The FISA the SC authorized for FOIA release to the NYTimes was the Dugan copy with the date changes. This would have matched the copy Wolfe illegally leaked to the journalist Ali Watkins. I think this means the SC knew about the Wolfe leak to Watkins and wanted to make sure her copy was the same as the FOIA FISA document.

            How did the SC get a copy of the Dugan version of the FISA with the date changes? Through Wolfe on the SSCI since he was given the Dugan version? The only other way the SC could have gotten it would have been through Dugan or someone else at FBI.

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            • readyandable1 says:

              They did indeed get it from Dugan. When he concluded his investigation and had the whole packet wrapped up, the SC had taken over Main Justice. By process and law he had to turn the records over to Main Justice, which was in thrall of the SC. That’s how they got it.

              Sundance outlined and proved that in an earlier post. The key though is then Tash Gauhar removed the copy from the material given to the GJ who indicted Wolfe, so the GJ never saw that. Thus, the leak was never part of the charges.

              This connects “conspiracy” by way of overt cooperation between the SC, DOJ, SSCI, and is demonstrably provable with no doubt.

              Again, no credit to me here, just rehashing Sundance’s previous work.

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          • Issy says:

            readyandable1: This makes the most sense to me of anything I have read. If I were in charge of giving prizes, you would win.

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        • Amy2 says:

          Good explanation. I was thinking Mr. Sundance was developing our critical thinking while I was reading this article; but mine SUCKS!!

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      • madeline says:

        Maybe there are those that know the answer to that question and that read The Last Refuge. This is directed to those readers. SD wants them to know he knows…

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      • Linda K. says:

        What could be different between DOJ’s copy and the FISA besides the date?

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        • readyandable1 says:

          I posit one of two possibilities, or even that both possibilities are true:

          1) There is material content differences that the DOJ made to their copy either before or after submitting to the FISC/FISA court. If before, submission, then the original copy not submitted is what they kept on file, so that people who saw what was written and supposed to be submitted wouldn’t notice any changes. If after, it was to make the appearance that they made no lies to convince the FISA court, even though they did, and figured they could get away with that because no one would get the FISA court version, as it is sealed up in that institution.

          2) Depending on procedure when you submit your application; you version would not yet be stamped with anything by the FISA/FISC court because you hadn’t taken it to them yet. So their official version that they “submitted” wouldn’t have any FISA/FISC markings at all. I do recognize however this doesn’t come in play if SOP is that you only keep a carbon copy you are given after it gets stamped, and your original input material , by long standing SOP, is not filed— but that seems strange to me.

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        • Genie says:

          Keep in mind that the October application date was changed as a leak tracer and was redacted in subsequent releases. The March 17 court clerk date made it easy to match Wolfe’s copy to the one “DOJ-Weissmann” released later under The NY Times FOIA request.

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        • jmclever says:

          Redactions?

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    • cboldt says:

      We have to speculate. On Q1, We can’t read Dugan’s mind; on Q2 we don’t even know who moved or copied case files to Team Mueller.
      Back to Q1, Dugan presumably has access to the FISA application in both FBI and DOJ files, yet he goes to the court to get a copy.
      Maybe he is hiding his investigation from certain peeps in the FBI or DOJ, or maybe he is setting a tracer in case SSCI leaks.
      We know there is hinky activity, we just don’t know exact details. Page FISA application was given to the press by somebody in the government, almost certainly Wolfe. But this fact was buried and Wolfe escaped prosecution.
      The logical explanation is Senator Warner, maybe Burr, is in cahoots with the FBI and others to knowingly advance a hoax against POTUS.
      Not a good look for any of them. Literally government in state of rebellion against the election, and not just a “small group at DOJ.”

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      • John17milw says:

        We do know who moved or copied the FISA application to team Mueller. It had to be someone who had it, and it wasn’t Dugan. That implicates the SSCI. Wolfe or his lawyers, Burr and Warner. Some of the above or all of the above. The other question is, dis team Muller have the original with the correct date? Of course they did. Did they notice the discrepancy? They had better fact checkers/ fact distorters than the Times.

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    • Tom W. says:

      I agree Susan. Just tell us the answer. We don’t need to play guessing games, a la Qanon-style Socratic method questions.

      We can handle the truth…

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

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      • texecutioner says:

        Socratic questioning is used to measure understanding. If one can’t explain, one doesn’t understand.

        Sundance isn’t speaking in riddles or dropping coded messages. Sundance is merely asking the questions that need to be answered. What good are the answers from Sundance if we don’t know the questions?

        Sundance has already announced a timeline for the reveal. I think this is just prep for those who would seek to share the information.

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    • inb4deadline says:

      The Lord works in mysterious ways.

      Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord.
      Psalm 27:14 (NIV)

      Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
      Matthew 7:7 (KJV)

      Consider Sundance’s posts an invitation to seek and knock, and failing that, wait.

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    • SYFer says:

      I think it’s because we’re currently spectators to a very high-stakes poker game Sundance is playing with Barr and Durham. We get dealt in on the 15th.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Susan
      SD has repeated this story multiple times….

      SO MANY times that he is now repeating it in NEW WAYS.

      So here is the same exact same story told a different way
      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/07/26/its-not-just-what-is-in-the-documents-its-whats-on-them-that-tells-the-story/

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    • dbobway says:

      Susan, there are some really smart people in this comment page.
      I can’t imagine how many pages of evidence Sundance has posted,
      But it’s well over a Bernstein’s book, thick, only it’s true.
      I have seen commenters put a piece of this together with Sundance to make a whole.

      In a mystery movie they lay out hints in the beginning to make us work to figure out the mystery. My wife will look at me and go,”What does that mean?”
      Just keep reading and it will reveal itself.

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    • Gerry says:

      A top down view/big picture- maybe oversimplified but it puts things in context.
      I think what SD is illustrating is a pattern of deceit by the SC/investigators that will end up incriminating “them”.
      1. Altered 302’s by Strozk, Page, Pienka
      2. Altered FISC document contents -Clinesmith
      3. Altered copy of FISA document to the SSCI

      Now, who is responsible? ( the aforementioned “them”). That is Senator Hawley’s question. Yates, Rosenstein, Mueller, Boente, Wray? They all have the connivence of stating they are “accountable but not responsible”. Durham’s task is to work from the bottom up to the top to squeeze people on each level to get to the next level to actually find out who actually did it e.g. Clinesmith, Page and who ultimately authorized it. ( I hope it was Weissman).
      The other question is how does this effect Wolfe’s immunity deal? Did Liu know that this was tainted evidence? Can Wolfe then be recalled as a witness and his deal revoked? If he knew that the two FISA documents were different and lied under oath to the contrary, maybe he is not under immunity anymore? Does that implication the Senators on the SSCI, which would shake the foundations of DC? (I’m not a lawyer, but it’s wishful thinking , since SD is putting a lot of importance on this part of the story).

      Thing that make you go hmmmmm……

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      • cboldt says:

        Wolfe’s immunity deal is an abuse of discretion, but I see no way to reverse it. I don’t recall any of the usual conditional language in it, like “this deal does not preclude pressing charges if it is later found that Wolfe lied.”
        The flip side of immunity is that he can be compelled to testify, he can’t take the 5th re: self-incrimination, because he can’t incriminate himself. If he lies in testimony, he is committing a new crime.

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        • TarsTarkas says:

          The DOJ is good at finding new ways to charge or new and different crimes to charge. It’s just a question of desire to do so.

          Barr & Co. want to preserve the institution. I agree it should be saved. The superstructure is basically sound, just needs some alterations (like the FBI recording interviews, not the BS 302 notes) and strictly enforced penalties for non-adherence to rules. It’s the inhabitants that are the problem, because they’ve become too accustomed to abusing their offices and power without accountability. It should be thoroughly fumigated and the dead vermin washed out like the Augean Stables were. Who will play Heracles?

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          • regitiger says:

            correctomundo! ty TT!

            the “deal” provided to Wolfe needs to be inspected. carefully.

            it’s likely (very likely) that there were things left “on the table”..or not simply on the understanding that Wolfe not violate conditions of that deal.

            like most prosecutors, state and federal, there are many options that are taken into consideration in making plead deals before they are offered.

            in a nutshell, there is no such thing as a complete mass get out of jail bonus card.

            it does not exist.

            the thing that really interests me, given this reality about how justice can operate (normally) is that wolfe WAS NOT CHARGED with mishandling of classified material. Rather he was charged with making false statements.

            what is interesting is that if DOJ offered him this option to plea to those false statement charges in exchange for not charging him with the higher crime of mishandling class mat…

            THAT is the key to opening this case back up. …I do NOT know the answer to that question…I’m simply speculating and interested to know what he was offered, what was placed on the table and what was taken off in exchange for his “cooperation”.

            of course, I realized that members of SSCI rapidly raced to his aid asking/demanding/pulling poltical strings to get him a lighter charge and sentence…so I am fully aware of the forces that were applied to that case.

            I suspect those same forces (and MORE) are quite active at this time.

            However, I wonder now if this is something that Durham has been investigating and taking witness statements.

            earlier I asked the question: what about this watkins person? travel and financial history?

            along that line of questions, this: has Durham subpoena’ed Watkins to inquire what precisely she was offered and what material testimony was collected by the FBI/DOJ towards her ..if at all?

            summary: the wolfe case is NOT OVER! It’s probably one of the most important aspects of this entire coup…a thing that Sundance has made clear for quite a long time.

            and to that, I say: extraordinary investigative reporting and fact finding Sundance. !!! brilliant hard working american patriot at its finest edge!

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      • deplorableintx says:

        Thanks Gerry for laying this out the way you did, as I see this is the method of introducing this complex story to those who aren’t aware without losing them in the weeds before they hear the full depth of the corruption.

        I believe that a conversational approach vs. laying out facts will engage more people.

        Those far deeper into the details can clean this up, but I just want to present some examples of my thoughts.

        What if I could prove to you that:
        1. There is documented evidence that the FBI altered sworn testimony (302)?
        2. The documents were altered FISC document contents -Clinesmith, etc.

        In addition, many won’t know that the FISC exists.
        Did you know that they USA has a super secret court where evidence can be presented against you and you have no representation? You could expound upon this mentioning that it was created as a means to spy on international terrorists following 9/11, but has been used to spy on Americans. etc.

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    • 4*Freedom says:

      Not speculation. Veteran Treepers are aware of the date change used to ID Wolfe as the leaker – thanks to Sundance. Speculation might be the “why” of securing data from FISC court, and I assume because he wanted to avoid alerting the Mueller conspirators to his maneuver to out seditionists.

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    • 4*Freedom says:

      Not speculation. Veteran Treepers are aware of the date change used to ID Wolfe as the leaker – thanks to Sundance. Speculation might be the “why” of securing data from FISC court, and I assume because he wanted to avoid alerting the Mueller conspirators to his maneuver to out seditionists.

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    • Issy says:

      Susan: I couldn’t agree more. I thought I understood what Dugan had done and why. Now I’m confused.

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  5. gsonFIT says:

    So who got Robot Rod Rosenstein to sign this document? Did agent Dugan or someone on the Special Counsel slip it by RR

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Which document are you referring to?

      Dugan signed his own statement.
      (And yes….I’ve seen the supposed signature comparison and it’s wrong)

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      • gsonFIT says:

        Exhibit 13

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          That’s DUGAN’s redacted signature above
          “Special Agent”

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          • gsonFIT says:

            There is a CTH member named Jay Wiz that promotes this theory. The signature is redacted and it most certainly could be Dugan’s “g” or the “j” in Rosenstein middle intial. Ill try to find the article I read tonight. Doesnt matter if it is Rosenstein or Dugan, SC released “FBI Equity” copy.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              RR who has managed to slither around and cover his a$$ for 20+ years in the swamp suddenly “slips up” by signing HIS NAME to a document attributed to an FBI SPECIAL AGENT instead of just FORGING the agent’s name.

              Um…NO.
              He’s not that dumb.
              That’s a “G”

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          • gsonFIT says:

            I think you are right about the signature being Dugan because I think the redactions were changed. Again I will look tonight but is this how Cliensmith was discovered changing Carter Pages Confidential Informant status.. Some newspaper committed at the time how in the heck did Horowitz find the email Clinesmith changed regarding Carter Page. There were millions of messages

            I actually need to do some work but will reply tonight. Good catch.

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  6. JAS says:

    As SD explained a long while back the reason for pulling a fresh one from the FISC was so a new and different date would be generated by the FISC and stamped on the document. By doing this the provenance of the document and all copies became traceable. And that’s how the leak to the press became traceable. It was a sting, and it worked.

    The Senate committee on intelligence got caught with their pants down. Wolfe got away with a slap on the wrist. And that is the important lesson here.

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    • the_banshee says:

      …..and when the”powers” that be at “Justice” discovered the elements contained In Dugan’s file, they realized the implications put their activities at risk in numerous ways, and accordingly bega their efforts at the “potomac two step” to remove and cover up the evidence…..and which begins to reveal (in a rear view manner) who are/were the “acting powers at “Justice”.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Great summary….

      I’d add
      When Mueller realized that Dugan’s Leak Investigation bumped up against HIS Russian Investigation…

      He proclaimed the equivalent of PRIMA NOCTA

      “Since Dugan’s Wolfe case involves the Carter Page FISA into Russian interference…

      IT NOW BELONGS TO ME!”

      Mueller took precedence over everything and was in fact…
      running the Department of Justice.

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  7. cboldt says:

    The first Q – Dugan was running a leak investigation against SSCI, and wanted particular identifiers on the document he provided to SSCI.
    The second Q – could have a benign explanation? What files were compiled at the FBI and handed to Team Mueller? The FISA application has multiple copies, Otherwise, if having a choice, they give the Dugan file version in order to protect SSCI.
    Congress is a huge pit of corruption, and other than cold cash Jefferson (which was pretty tough to bury), law enforcement NEVER finds wrong in Congress. That is incredible.
    FBI is a cover-up/blackmail operation for its protectees. It’s part of what gives the puppet-master (not the FBI) his strings.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      The second Q – could have a benign explanation?

      Yeah…..Dugan was PISSED.
      He was given the IMPORTANT task of conducting a LEAK investigation due to the enormous amount of DAMAGING leaks of classified material…

      And caught MOBY DICK.

      The damn CHIEF OF SECURITY FOR THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITEE!!!
      Who’s JOB it is to SECURE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL.

      What’s the best way a GOOD COP can “dissuade” people from doing something illegal?
      Catch a big fish and MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF HIM.

      Dugan DID HIS JOB and got SCREWED.

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      • Issy says:

        Krashman: Who at doj is protecting the SSIC? The theory and it’s a good one is that the special counsel was running doj during this time, but who at doj signed off on this? Rosenstein testified he didn’t read a fisa warrant he signed, but what was in it wasn’t what the briefer told him. It would be nice to know who that was.

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Who did or who REALLY did.(Wolfe/SSCI)
          The main Wolfe documents are signed by:
          Jessie Liu and/or
          Jocelyn Ballentine, Tejpal Chalwa, Laura Ingersoll
          Barr rid of us Liu (in a strange way) and managed to replace her with Tim Shea.

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          • Issy says:

            Krashman: Probably Weissmann and Tash. I loved Barr’s machiavellian move on Jessie Liu.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Yeah that was pretty sweet.

              Reminded me of that scene from Goodfellas, where DeNiro tells Karen to go down the dark alley and “pick out a dress”.

              The only difference…
              Jessie went down the alley, while Karen ran away.
              LoL

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  8. jmclever says:

    Here’s another theory. Dugan was working with someone outside main justice to catch leakers. That someone considered the entire Special Counsel as suspect not just small fry like James Wolfe or fellow travellers in the MSM. Why would Dugan give all his hard work over to the ones that were suspected in the leaking? To catch them. Recall how quickly Don Jr’s testimony was leaked to the press? IIRC President Trump himself was talking about catching leakers.

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    • cboldt says:

      Team Mueller was obviously a corrupt undertaking from early days. All the players are partisans of one stripe, and some of them are known dirty players (Mueller himself, weismann). Congress treats us like morons, and gets away with it. I think because a majority is moronic or disinterested or has skin (welfare, graft, contracts), leaving those of us who sense the corruption will little more than frustration trying to find a way to expose the bums and kick them to hell.

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    • CapeCodPatriot says:

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-76/

      Remarks by President Trump Before Marine One Departure
      Issued on: November 8, 2019
      “So I think, in light of all of the things going on — and you know what I mean by that: the fake news, the Comeys of the world, all of the bad things that went on. It’s called the “swamp.” And you know what happened and you know what I did? A big favor. I caught the swamp. I caught them all. Let’s see what happens. Nobody else could have done that but me. I caught all of this corruption that was going on, and nobody else could have done it.”

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  9. Right to reply says:

    “♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

    ♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?”

    They had to hide the fact that the dates on the original were different to the dates on the leak tracer. The leak tracer proves Wolfe leaked it, and ALL of the media used the leak

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  10. gsonFIT says:

    Wolfe wouldn’t leak this on his own. SSCI had already leaked the document authorized by SC. Wolfe was a false leak after the fact and when Warner and SSCI figured out their mistake Wolfe said I am not taking a dive for all you Senators. Wolfe’s lawyer threatened to call every committee member.

    The cub reporter Ali Watkins is doing local crime reporting now.

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    • Lawton says:

      I doubt Wolfe would have to threaten to call them as witnesses if he didn’t leak it to the press for them.

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      • gsonFIT says:

        He leaked it Warner and Burr had already leaked it. Wolfe was true black or whatever color the bad guys are.

        Also Ill have to go back and look at it tonight but this might also be the time frame that covered Clinesmith changing Carter Page from a Intel Operative to a Russian Spy

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    • corvairfan says:

      Don’t worry, she will find another sugar daddy to manipulate newsworthy info from.

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  11. Puzzled says:

    Someone at the FISA court fiddled the FISA application, because it had flaws, so that it could be approved, Maybe John Roberts. The original doesn’t match the DOJ FISA application,

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    • David says:

      This is my thought as well. Except for the JR part, I’m not sure he was involved with FISA.

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      • Alligator Gar says:

        JR appoints the FISA judges, so, yeah, he’s involved.

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      • RAM says:

        Roberts was supposed to supervise FISA. He should have been involved in a positive way. Not impossible that he intentionally ignored or winked at the abuse.

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        • Michael Reed says:

          If a FISA judge finds evidence of corruption at the DOJ/FBI/White House what do they do? Talk to other FISA judges? Talk to their supervising Chief Justice? Would there be a record? Now that would definitely terrify all of DC!

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          • Beau Geste says:

            training videos about how not to falsify documents, and how not to knowingly submit false evidence to a secret federal court.

            And, they have to certify before a notary that they looked at the video !!!

            problem solved. no need for that messy ‘perjury’, lying to the court, fines, disbarment bother. After all, there is a reason the FISC is a secret court with all its activities secret from the public.

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    • railer says:

      Now there’s an explanation that makes sense! The FISC is corrupt, you may depend, but in your theory their corruption would be proven, on paper.

      So we’d have another theory here, that Dugan was a black hat, pulling the (FISA-altered and sanitized) document directly from FISA, so that the alterations could be leaked into the wild and the original application buried somehow.

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  12. KBR says:

    Does any of this have anything to do with paper originals versus computer copies?
    Old school people might agree.

    I ask specifically b/c initials and date are written with an ink pen in cursive writing, like a paper copy.

    In a SCIF location using original signed paper copies of every document, there would have to be an enormous system of paper files, with many “file clerk personnel” running back and forth, each one having to be watched constantly because he/she has access, and the process within th scif would be extremely time consuming…NO it has to be done via secure server, right? Meaning the original is on paper and harder to change/edit than anything that goes into a computer. No delete buttons on a piece of paper.

    Maybe this is not important at all. But I recall something called white-out, that was way too obvious a correction/change device, and correction tape on old typewriters also too obvious…such that a perfect copy on paper required RETYPING of a whole page before my teachers accepted a term paper back in the day. In other words, on a PAPER document, changes are obvious, unless the document is changed and then scanned/photoshopped. Remember that O birth certificate?

    So to see the original PAPER document rather than a copy on a screen, may be why Dugan went to
    FISA court.

    (Yes, I know the date change was key.)

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    • Papoose2007 says:

      Yep, I remember the O bogus BC presented at the press conference on 4/27/2011. Within 48 hours it was proven to be a reconstructed forgery and then Osama Bin Laden was dead again to be buried at sea.

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    • Issy says:

      KBR: Plus as poster “readyandable1” pointed out it has the fisc stamps on it. Another way to show it didn’t come from the doj files but straight from the SSIC that was given the leak tracer copy.

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  13. The discrepancy involving the date could be *negotiable* as either being a benign scriveners error or it could be documented the date error is in fact evidence that was deliberately fabricated as a document taggant for a leak investigation for that particular COPY. The clerk who actually signed the copy date in error would have a part to play in establishing as EVIDENCE what the nature of the document with the errant date actually is, so the clerk could say the date error is simply a “scriveners error” or that the date error has great significance because the date error was intentionally done to tag the document as part of a leak investigation.

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  14. tav144 says:

    The bottom line is that in taking these steps to give the public the leak-trap version of the FISA, DOJ (Mueller) provided a FALSE document to fulfill a FOIA requirement. What are the ramifications of that? Of providing a FALSE document for an official FOIA?
    Seems to me that the original entity who requested the FOIA should file a lawsuit to have the date unmasked if we can’t get Radcliffe to unmask it.

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  15. Justin Green says:

    Looks like the DOJ was protecting the SSCI. Seems that simple, anyways.

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  16. Howie_roak says:

    The obvious answer is that the FBI was using multiple copies to root out a leaker…..

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    • Issy says:

      Howie: At least one of the fbi agents was.

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      • Howie_Roak says:

        It is a common technique the agency uses. Other things are like two dots where there shouldn’t be any but no one notices, different dates, different way of writing the date, misplaced commas, etc etc. That whole operation was a set up and they fell for it and now the FBI has some CIs in their pocket for the next operation….

        Just remember Barr is there to preserve the institution of Justice, not prosecute the coup plotters.
        He cannot do both!

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  17. regitiger says:

    Reminder:

    Live audio (0930 EST), The United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit

    Case no: 20-5143 In re: Michael Flynn

    * DC Appeals court will hear the case “en banc”….to the extent todays hearing resolves the matter of whether Judge Sullivan has any standing to continue this case *

    features worth noting:

    Tuesday’s arguments will by heard by 10 of the D.C. Circuit’s 11 active judges. Judge Gregory Katsas, a Trump appointee who previously served in the White House Counsel’s office, recused himself.

    on Katsas recusal:

    https://www.courthousenews.com/senate-confirms-katsas-to-d-c-circuit/

    “Katsas also said he advised on the decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program – known as DACA – which provides protections for immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children who are now here illegally. He would not, however, delve into what advice he gave Trump on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    “I am not a part of the investigation, but to the extent I could say things that reveal what legal issues the special counsel may be looking at, I don’t think I can properly talk about issues that could signal what he is looking at, the scope, the focus, the progress of his investigation,” Katsas said at his nomination hearing last month. “And I want to be very careful not to say anything that inadvertently undermines his work.”

    Katsas also said he worked on Trump’s executive order creating the Commission on Election Integrity and promised Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., he would recuse himself from any of the pending challenges to the order that might work their way up to the D.C. Circuit.

    A member of the conservative legal advocacy group the Federalist Society since 1989, Katsas narrowly passed through the Senate with a 50-48 vote on Tuesday. Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., broke with Democrats in voting for Katsas, while Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., voted against the nomination.

    Katsas, a former clerk for conservative legal icon Justice Clarence Thomas, worked at the Bush Justice Department from 2001 to 2009, eventually rising to the role of assistant attorney general for the department’s Civil Division. Katsas received the Justice Department’s highest award for his work in 2009 and Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts selected him to serve on the Advisory Committee for Appellate Rules in 2013.”

    another key player removed, voluntarily, over one of the most significant political persecution cases in US history. (Yes, I do not feel like today is winning….sad…very sad)

    regards, regardless…onward…the BIG FISH FRY is on the menu

    AND I’M STARVING!!!

    God Bless America
    God Bless SundancERS!

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    • cboldt says:

      Good stuff on Katas, thank you.
      Hearing today will of course feed volumes of speculation on what the DC Circuit will eventually order. Pretty safe, I think, for the full court to override the panel finding Sullivan did not cross the “appearance of impartiality” line, and replace him.
      I’m pretty sure there are other fellow travelers at the trial court who can stall until November.

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  18. FreedomLover says:

    Now don’t beat me up too much for being somewhat “off topic”. But all of this draws together a lot of threads for me on various things Sundance has posted about Lawfare. He says Lawfare related lawyers became the SC staff, so really, Lawfare took over main Justice. Lawfare related people came on as staff for congress lead by Democrats, and ultimately lead the impeachment. Lawfare related people were behind the Kavanaugh fiasco. Lawfare related people are close friends of Comey – Lawfare and FBI. A Lawfare related person had access to FBI systems – special contractor access. I think Sundance said Lawfare is related to Brookings. Brookings had a hand in disseminating the Steele Dosier. Does Brookings/Lawfare have connections to the state department? In many enterprises to “stop Trump”, Brookings seems to be behind much (all?) of it. Who funds Brookings? China?

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    • cboldt says:

      Isn’t Comey’s friend, Richman, a Lawfare acolyte too?
      I’ll make this observation, the resistance players are spread out. There are concentrations in various places, Perkins Coie, Covington and Burling, Lawfare, ACLU; and of course any FedGov agency in DC is 90% resistance.

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    • Michael Osmon says:

      Maybe Iran?

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  19. randyg1 says:

    Sorry, but it is long past the time for prosecutions to begin…

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    • Dave Radetsky says:

      If it’s still available online, you should go to Mark Levin’s Fox News show’s webpage. Last Sunday night he interviewed AG Barr and they talked about why indictments take so long and why it is out of the AG’s control until the Grand Jury says an indictment is appropriate. Also, he makes the point, which is extremely important, that you have to have irrefutable evidence that you know will win the case if you indict. With trials in DC (these are my words, not Barr’s) it’s a fact that juries will be 90% Democrat and it’s almost impossible to get a guilty verdict on a Democrat unless the evidence is extremely obvious and persuasive. It seemed apparent listening to Barr that they are waiting on these things before indictments can happen.

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      • Gerry says:

        BINGO! I interpreted Barr’s statement the same way.It needs to be beyond a shadow of a doubt. They need confessions.

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        • Judith says:

          On the 15th, or thereabouts, Sundance will shine full sunlight to remove any and all “shadows.” I imagine this will leave more than a few buck-nekkid Emperors fully exposed, with nowhere left to hide.

          And their apologists and obfuscators in CONgress, alphabet agencies and ENEmedia may find it impossible to continue their game of ‘hide the baloney.’ That’s where *we* town criers come in..

          So what next to distract the masses? If Globalists could put earth on a collision course with a meteor, I think they would
          seriously consider it.

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      • cboldt says:

        Not saying the remarks aren’t accurate, but to me they are used to justify two-tier justice. If it wasn’t DC, they’d bring the case; but in DC, the legal hurdle to bring a case is higher. That is a defintion of two tiers of justice.
        And then we have the untouchable crooks in Congress, who get yet another layer or three of protection.

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        • Dave Radetsky says:

          Agreed. And I have always thought that a prosecutor in federal cases should be allowed to bring the case in any federal court so that they can avoid obvious problems like the DC court causes.

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        • convert says:

          And that is such a travesty, and such a real and present danger to the republic and to individual Americans! To have prominent Democrats know KNOW that they can flagrantly break any law and suffer no consequences just because the crime was committed in DC is an actual national security issue!

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      • Michael Osmon says:

        I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve read on this site that these charges could be filed in other districts, they are not limited to dc. However, I may be misinformed, it wouldn’t be the first time. It’s difficult to be a regular guy and keep up with all this. So much conflicting information out there and everyone is an expert.

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      • corvairfan says:

        Barr and defenders are just making more excuses. A grand jury is different than a trial jury. It’s a much lower standard of suspicion. Probable cause only for a GJ, to continue to discovery and trial, not the proof beyond a reasonable doubt needed for a judge or trial jury to convict.

        A good prosecutor can indict a jelly donut. Look at Weissman. He got grand juries to even indict innocents, like Roger Stone, and bullied Gen Flynn to plead guilty.

        And Barr can’t nail a few schmucks that are actually guilty as sin?

        The fact Barr is selling that line is concerning.

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        • trnathens says:

          Corvair,

          All due respect: You don’t know what you’re talking about.

          Once an indictment is issued or unsealed the clock starts ticking. Defendants can and most likely WILL ask for a Speedy Trial, as is their right under the Constitution. At that point, the Government will have maybe 60 days to go to trial.

          Not continue investigating. Not hope that their “jelly donut” will be ok. But to trial.

          And the first Not Guilty? Wipes everything out. No one will continue listening.

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          • Brian Baker says:

            “Defendants can and most likely WILL ask for a Speedy Trial, as is their right under the Constitution.”

            So how is that working out for Lt General Michael Flynn?

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  20. We the People Know says:

    12 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

    2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

    3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.*
    Luke 12

    Treehouse tops.

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  21. Dugan is a white hat. He got that copy for a reason. I wonder if there isn’t another “watermark” in it somewhere that might prove important in the Durham probe. Or perhaps he was “forcing” their hand to ensure any subsequent copies weren’t altered ?

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    • Blue Wildflower says:

      Who is behind Dugan? Is someone high up behind him? Why did he decide to stick his neck out unless he though he would be supported? Does an agent do an investigation on their own? If he finds something out how does he get the truth out to the public or to someone that can do something about it?

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    • Charles Dodgson says:

      The watermark idea is very interesting, as it would be consistent with SD’s statement that it’s not what’s “in” the papers that is damning, it’s what’s “on” them. Watermarks could prove provenance.

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  22. honornc1 says:

    “Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?”

    They (Main Justice/Mueller) took control of the Wolfe Grand Jury materials (Dugan’s copy was part of these materials). This info was then removed from the Grand Jury materials BEFORE is was given to Liu’s office – and is why Wolfe was only indicted for lying to the FBI.

    And as I recall, it is why Dugan added his sworn testimony to Wolfe’s sentencing, saying Wolfe was the leaker – Dugan was P.O.’d big time.

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  23. Michael Osmon says:

    My understanding is this particular copy had to be released because this is the one that was leaked to journalist Ali Watkins of the toilet paper of record, the New York Times. The New York Times filed a FOIA for the fisa application so they could have cover for reporting on an illegally obtained copy. The copy that was released was the same copy that the New York Times got from SSCI security director James Wolfe. Wolfe, at the time, was dating the journalist Watkins, the same one he illegally gave the fisa app to via text messages. The New York Times doesn’t know they have a leak tracer in their possession, they just want to hurt the president and see this as a useful weapon. So, at least in my opinion, if the original copy had been released and the dates didn’t jive, they wouldn’t have been able to quiet the national conversation of it because of the inconsistency in the document.

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  24. dunewall says:

    Because Dugan suspected someone in the DOJ would be the leaker and that alerted the FISC of the same. After the fact the DOJ released Dugan’s copy to match what the msm received due to the dates.

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  25. Bubby says:

    I assume the FISA Court determines and publishes the expiration date for any FISA warrant. If that is true the expiration date would be based on the date of the original FISA warrant and not Dugan’s altered copy? So why wouldn’t the SC know that would be a problem using Dugan’s date altered copy? I know it’s only one day off but still that should have been a forseen problem for the corrupt SC? Just wondering?

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    • gary says:

      at some point the wrongdoing you have done starts piling up. as comey found,when the weiner laptop was discovered. he panicked and headed for a news conference,because he didn’t know what else to do,because the fbi didn’t have the laptop,the nypd did. and it is said that there was some info on it that made cops puke.

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  26. Hah! Remember SD posting the “start asking the right ******* questions… he is doing that for us, and he has provided all the research to answer them!!!

    This is going to be tasty – SD is like Luke Skywalker in the first movie when all seemed hopeless and he finds the one flaw in the Death Star, takes off the targeting system, “uses the force,” and takes down the evil empire!!! Glad to be on the right side of this struggle –

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  27. usualwidgits says:

    I have a question. Why did all those bit players think they could get away with it? Wolfe, Strozk, Page, even Warner, Brennan, Clapper, etc. should have been smart enough to know they would be the scapegoats. To this day, their attitude is sanctimonious immunity. Why?

    No doubt all these details that SD lays out will lead to the answer. But they must believe in a power outside the reach of true justice.

    Which brings up a larger point: All these peaceful riots, aided and abetted by mayors holding back police, undermine our collective understanding of the rule of law. This is an effort to confuse society and is reinforced by nonsensical covid edicts.

    So AG Barr’s challenge is to destroy the myth of a two tier justice system.

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    • JamesD says:

      1. They have blackmail on everyone. Which is why Sundance will be forced to drop the hammer. They almost DID get away with it. Look at the BS questioning of Yates.
      2. The Plan was to win 2018 and impeach Trump.
      3. They weren’t counting on Barr showing up. Sundance has told us about the treacherous adviser to Trump. His job was to keep someone like Barr out.

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      • Charles Dodgson says:

        Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

        Does anyone think all those hundreds of thousands of illegals NSA searches were just to find out Trump’s political strategy? They dug up dirt on EVERYONE that had any kind of oversight so they could blackmail them. I will bet they have dirt on Supreme Court Justices, SSCI, HPSCI, etc, etc.

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        • trnathens says:

          We are reacting to this as if it is a new concept.

          This is only new to WE, the People.

          “They” have been spying on Americans going back to the Clinton years.

          Remember all those FBI files found in the West Wing?

          Edward Snowden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

          Employment at CIA
          NSA sub-contractee as an employee at Dell
          NSA sub-contractee as an employee at Booz Allen Hamilton

          [from wikipedia]
          “Snowden elaborated in January 2014, saying “[I] made tremendous efforts to report these programs to co-workers, supervisors, and anyone with the proper clearance who would listen. The reactions of those I told about the scale of the constitutional violations ranged from deeply concerned to appalled, but no one was willing to risk their jobs, families, and possibly even freedom to go through what [Thomas Andrews] Drake did.

          [from wikipedia]
          In a May 2014 interview, Snowden told NBC News that after bringing his concerns about the legality of the NSA spying programs to officials, he was told to stay silent on the matter. He asserted that the NSA had copies of emails he sent to their Office of General Counsel, oversight and compliance personnel broaching “concerns about the NSA’s interpretations of its legal authorities. I had raised these complaints not just officially in writing through email, but to my supervisors, to my colleagues, in more than one office.”

          [from wikipedia]
          In July 2014, The Washington Post reported on a cache previously provided by Snowden from domestic NSA operations consisting of “roughly 160,000 intercepted e-mail and instant-message conversations, some of them hundreds of pages long, and 7,900 documents taken from more than 11,000 online accounts.

          Utah Data Center: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

          [from wikipedia]
          The data center is able to process “all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Internet searches, as well as all types of personal data trails — parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital ‘pocket litter’.”

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    • Bubby says:

      Because they believed the fake push polls about Hillary winning in a landslide put out by the corrupt leftist msm! They were all very confident that Hillary would win when she didn’t they had to get rid of President Trump to hide all their malfeasance! But Admiral Mike Rodgers and Rep Kevin Nunes were not expected by the conspirators of the coup attempt! Their sanctimonious attitude is what all leftists have towards WTP in flyover country!

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  28. Patience says:

    Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?
    >To obtain exactly what (and date when) was submitted to the Court.
    And then: make the date change (put on a tracer) to find leaker(s) /liar(s).

    Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?
    >To cover itself

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    • ladyliberty11 says:

      Agree. They had to hide the fact that there were two versions, covering for Wolfe and the corrupt SSCI.

      Based on what Sundance has told us about the ineptitude of the government and its “investigations,” probably a safe bet that no one would notice (or care?).

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  29. burnett044 says:

    Sundance …keep peeling that evil onion….step by step truth will stand….

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  30. gary says:

    i am perceiving this situation with wolfe and the intel committee to be the point of interest that sundance is focusing on ,the one ‘specific aspect’ of the special counsel probe, that will sink it. the info that sundance uncovered, of a certain person over durham and other usa’s ,and an investigation into some other aspect, sundance wouldn’t reveal because of ‘sensitivity’ and ‘delicate balance’, is a whole other wrongdoing. as to the question posed, obviously it must be different. and dugan was smart enough to keep himself from being labaled the ‘leaker’.

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    • vikingmom says:

      What did Devin Nunes see in the briefing room that caused him to look physically ill? How deep and how high does all of the corruption go? Sundance KNOWS and now they KNOW that he knows…

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      • Pale rider says:

        The guy next to him name on the document, or maybe his wifes name. I suspect there is like ‘3’ who are not involved. They all lead you here or there, get you by the hand say look at this. End of the day it’s like ‘stepford wives’ the old version or ‘invasion of the body snatchers’ everyone is evolved.
        Until we grab them by the foot and drag them out into the street and pronounce judgement (metaphorically, of course) this is a spat between family.
        Statements. “Who cares at this point” “I didn’t read the application” “ I don’t recall or remember”. Doesn’t happen like that in our world, only family.

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      • Patience says:

        ….and President Trump knows

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  31. JamesD says:

    Is Dugan the Lead Investigator for Durham that Sundance is about to reveal?

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  32. JamesD says:

    Is Dugan the Lead Investigator for Durham?

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    • Michael Osmon says:

      That had not occurred to me, but considering what I’ve heard about Mr. Dugan’s reaction to Wolfe getting the proverbial slap on the wrist, I couldn’t think of anyone better.

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    • Linda K. says:

      Wolfe was given his copy by Dugan. What if the Dugan copy is the only one besides the copy the judge had in her possession? He went to FISA Court to get it because there was not one at DOJ?

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    • coldanger says:

      When SD mentioned this unknown investigator, he used 5 *****. I’ve been searching for 5 letter names (DUGAN fits) since that day. js…

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  33. Sparty says:

    To me this is simple and revolves around risk mitagation, leverage – probability diving the risk equation
    Here goes:
    -Brian Dugan knows a leak exists. And knows where it’s coming from.
    -Dugan’s decides he is gonna take this all the way. He needs to firewall his work product (the FISA aka snare) from the Mueller Gang running the DOJ, corrupt SSCI, and corrupt traitorous elements in the his own backyard – the FBI.
    -Leverage and risk mitigation drives the source of the snare. FISA judge Collyer ain’t tipping anyone off, she needs to firewall herself and give the traitors zero leverage. Mitigates her risk. Plus it would be great to see who is leaking her own work product. In the public view.
    -time stamp is the bait. Mess with that then leak to concubine and you’re nailed. Done. Dugan knows this.
    -because it’s a locked down FBI product, FBI corrupt leadership is not tipping off buss tosser DOJ and Mueller sociopaths. Leverage. Plus, it kinda puts the FBI in a good light: “G Men catch spy! Film at 11. You get the drift.
    -Dugan is now insulated. He got his man. He has major leverage in case anyone tries to ruin him, Weissman crew, FBI leadership.
    -he did his job in a superb fashion. Caught and Warner. The dude knows the gig. He maintained leverage throughout.

    Many months later the SSCI has only one time stamp choice for a FISA release.

    Dugan got his man. Armored himself against all corrupt elements. Rolled the dice that securing direct from FISC would faculae his risk mitigation model.

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  34. Ej says:

    My assumptions –

    1) The court is the official custodian of the document. So for evidentiary purposes, he would want that. The stamp may have played a dual purpose – either purposely or by happenstance.

    2) The has a Hobson’s choice – throw Wolfe under the bus or expose SSIC.

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  35. lolli says:

    burnett🇺🇸
    Good morning.
    Thank you.
    I will take a listen.
    I’m enjoying Cohen.

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  36. Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

    ♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

    [He knew folks in the DOJ-NSD were corrupt and his investigation would get leaked.]

    ♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

    [To show Wolfe, and hence Warner, they were under investigation by somebody in the FBI.]

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  37. Justin Green says:

    Being an “FBI equity”, according to the procedures outlined above, meant that the FBI didn’t have to notify anyone outside the FBI that the leak had happened. But it seems they did go and tip off Warner that they were conducting an investigation of someone on his committee. Dugan likely didn’t trust DOJ people, either.

    Why release Dugan’s copy?
    By July 2018, it was already public knowledge that Wolf was the leak, so there’s no need to release Dugan’s copy SOLELY to protect a simple mismatch of dates.

    Seems like there must be more in the DOJ’s filings that don’t match the FISA Court’s copy they gave Dugan.

    Still points to a RAT on the FISA court.

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  38. tax2much says:

    It’s elementary Dr. Watson. Sundance Holmes is merely laying out the clues while he sums up the case.

    Criminals make mistakes that inevitably lead to their arrest.

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  39. Donata says:

    I concur treepers. It’s all about the date stamps. Follow the timeline. SD puts out.

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  40. Troublemaker10 says:

    Is the original DOJ copy of the Fisa missing (like the original Flynn 302)?

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  41. trnathens says:

    Proverbs 6:16-19 English Standard Version

    16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
    seven that are an abomination to him:
    17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
    and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
    feet that make haste to run to evil,
    19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
    and one who sows discord among brothers.

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    • somebodysgramma says:

      Wow! I didn’t realize the Democrats were prominently featured in the Bible!

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    • Dave Radetsky says:

      trnathens – Excellent choice of Scripture to quote. I have to say that this passage has had me thinking for some time that the Lord must really hate the Democrats and most Republicans in both the House and Senate because this is a perfect description of them.

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  42. Linus in W.PA. says:

    Because they are materially different FISA applications, more so than just that leak-tracer date?

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  43. Jeff Hack says:

    What if there was a different tracer on DOJ version? When Dugan found the leak, he compared the leak to both tracers and he knew who leaked? (Just a thought)

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  44. Bryan Alexander says:

    1. Did the Special Counsel’s Office know that SSA Brian Dugan was conducting a leak detection investigation? Think about the ramifications if they DID know.

    2. Did SSA Brian Dugan know that the Special Counsel’s office knew he was investigating leaks?

    3. Was SSA Brian Dugan part of the Black Hats or is he a White Hat?

    4. Did the Special Counsel’s Office intentionally compromise the SSCI and the two ranking Senators in order to use them, if needed, for nefarious purposes? They knew the FISA info needed to be leaked. Did they talk to Warner and get him to request the copy so that it would be leaked, but double crossed Warner and knew Dugan was giving them a “canary trap” copy?

    5. What did Dugan know?

    6. Would have been standard practice to use the active FISA warrant and not the older ones that had expired? I think that is the correct timing, here.

    7. Do the FISA warrant applications that the FBI has (they will have copies of what was submitted) match what the FISA Court has? That question has been asked several times and speculation is that they do not. I think they probably do. If the FBI wanted to remain “clean”, they would only use what had been officially approved by the FISA Court, just in case anyone outside of the conspirators got ahold of a copy of the warrant.

    IF DUGAN IS A COMPLETE WHITE HAT AND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE DIDN’T KNOW HE WAS CONDUCTING A LEAK TRACING INVESTIGATION……

    Dugan had to enlist the FISC Clerk, Lee Ann Hall, to sign the WRONG DATE to the cover page of the copy she provided. She signed and dated it with the wrong date. So the FISC knew that the FISA warrant was being used to catch leakers.

    Did the FISA Court know who the FISA application copy was being sent to?

    How often do agents from the FBI come and get copies of FISA Warrants from the FISC to send to the SSCI?

    TONS of questions that I would like answered.

    BTW, all three branches of government are involved in this one small action. Executive Branch (FBI and Special Counsel), Legislative Branch (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence), Judicial (FISA Court)

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  45. Redhotrugmama says:

    SD or anyone……any guesses who appointed Dugan to conduct this investigation?

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  46. Linus in W.PA. says:

    Remember when Rosenpenis said in a hearing that the public ‘version’ of the FISA was NOT the version that he signed???

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  47. DeWalt says:

    Even in a sting the FBI agent could not put documents out there that contained classified information unless that information is declassified first. You would be just as wrong to put that information out to leak. The agent ran a double sting.

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  48. susanphd says:

    Now we know that The Speciall Counsel – Mueller – knowingly released a tainted / falsified document in response to a FOIA request. What are the implications and ramifications of that?

    Any lawyers out there care to weigh in? Is that illegal? Can Mueller be indicted for that?

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  49. melskia says:

    I have read every comment this morning. My conclusion? I’m confused. I will wait until Friday night/Saturday morning to see what Sundance has to say.

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  50. LOL says:

    Sundance has to give the answers AND the questions.

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