Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

If you ever read the indictment of SSCI Security Director James Wolfe [pdf HERE] you would notice how FBI Washington Field Office Supervisory Special Agent Brian Dugan conducted his leak investigation that ultimately led to James Wolfe.

As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process, he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017.  Agent Dugan then takes it to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where he gave it to SSCI Security Director James Wolfe.

Simple Questions: Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice and pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?

This is not supposition; this is the process described and outlined in court records. So, why go to the FISC and not the DOJ?

♦ Secondly, SSA Dugan goes to extreme lengths to draw attention to his copy; he calls the top secret FISA application an “FBI equity” in numerous documents. It’s his equity, his document, because he was the original equity holder of the document.

Agent Dugan was responsible for generating it. Dugan repeats that provenance again, and again in court records throughout 2018: “FBI Equity“.

[Document Link – page #3]

[Document Link – Page #13]

The March 17, 2017, copy of the FISA application -as stamped by the FISA Court- was FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s equity. It was inside his investigative file.

This March 17, 2017, copy is his investigative work product.

So riddle me this… QUESTION:

When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

Why did the DOJ find it necessary to release WFO FBI agent Brian Dugan’s equity?

Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?…. But more importantly, when the DOJ decided to release the FISA application to the public, why did they release FBI Agent Dugan’s copy?

The answers to these questions tell a big story.

Isn’t it curious how no-one has ever asked those questions?

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♦ Why did Dugan go to the FISA Court for his original copy?

♦ Sixteen months later, why did the DOJ want to release Dugan’s copy?

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968 Responses to Simple Questions With Massive Ramifications….

  1. Publius2016 says:

    I don’t know…it’s weird

    Why is FBI shielded from taping their interviews?

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    • Publius2016 says:

      in reading the procedure again, it is possible FBI used FISA doc to circumvent sharing protocols. Here, FBI can conduct surveillance like “screenshots of phones” and keep information in house. It sounds like a paradox. If they use FBI asset, then there are a list of protocols that follow.

      I assumed the leak investigation was a “barium meal” but maybe it was a way for FBI to conduct surveillance outside regular channels that would inform Legislative and executive branches.

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      • Fubu says:

        Here are my answers to the U.S. Government Scam Exam from Sundance University;

        1) FBI Agent Dugan’s Equity FISA Copy was picked up from the FISCourt and then with the changed date was given to Wolfe and subsequently leaked to the press. FACT

        He went to the FISC instead of Justice to pick up the Copy of the FISA because he probably did trust the people at DOJ and this was the most secure way to prevent any leaks. CONCLUSION

        2) Main Justice (AKA Special Counsel) releases under a FOIA request from the Media Agent Dugan’s FISA Copy not the Original FISA Copy. A FOIA for a FISA is almost never granted, so why now? FACTS

        The Special Counsel was covering for/protecting their co-conspirators in the Media and had to release a Copy of the FISA that the Media had and not the original FISA. CONCLUSION

        4) How did the Special Counsel get a copy of FBI Agent Dugan’s Copy? That my friend, is the right question.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Does the FBI equity match what the IG looked at then? Maybe Mueller team gave the IG something different… That would be my approach.

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      • The Demon Slick says:

        Molehunt. The date was changed. When it leaked they could tell by the date who leaked it. But not sure what that reveals except they knew ssci was corrupt. Everyone knew that.

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        • bertdilbert says:

          The unredacted copy was leaked to the media. The unredacted copy is out there. I am going to guess there might be a difference in what the DOJ is holding as the FISA, with the difference found in what was redacted (other than the date itself).. Otherwise it does not seem to make sense.

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        • steph_gray says:

          Isn’t knowing one thing…

          …and proof another?

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  2. Chris Tulmeth says:

    “…our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than [on] our opinions in physics or geometry….” —Thomas Jefferson

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  3. dissidentfade says:

    You aren’t alone in your fight. Sometimes the biggest listeners are the biggest fighters. We can’t all fight in the same accord, but never lose faith.

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  4. Ackman419 says:

    I can’t even type my speculations. I tried but kept erasing them.

    I can wait.

    I trust SD

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  5. So Dugan knew the SC was dirty and did an end-around, going directly to FISC?
    Then SC figured out it was a leak trap and released Dugan’s copy via FOIA to alert fellow travelers?
    In addition it gave the media cover for their overt acts of sedition or treason?

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    • lotbusyexec says:

      you beat me to it Footballfan33 — Great minds think alike 😉 BUT I believe you left out by releasing Dugan’s original copy THAT is how the SC got caught/tripped up/exposed. THANK GOD for agent Dugan!

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    • John OB says:

      The Specious Counsel did not exist on March 17 2017, the day Dugan attained the FBI equity.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Like a good story, this is not the only ending.

      The FISA court Judge could have provided the SP with a copy of the FISA app. In short, the FISA judge was corrupt.
      The Chief Justice could have provided a copy of the SSA’s FISA to SP.
      SSA’s chain of command could have provided a copy of the SSA’s FISA to SP.

      You don’t have an answer until more is known. Dugan has the answer.

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      • C2C says:

        So, Dugan changed HIS copy that he got from the FISC, that would not change the copy retained by the FISC, am I right? I mean the FISC would still only have the “clean” warrant application. If that’s the case then then FISC isn’t the method of delivery to the Special counsel

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        • islandpalmtrees says:

          No, If this occurred – the Judge would have approved of the change and kept a copy. What proof would the Judge have had otherwise of the sting operation.

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      • 24may98 says:

        Corrupt FISC Judge? An old saw:
        “There have been corrupt judges.
        “There will be corrupt judges.
        “But there not any corrupt judges.”

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  6. Thurstan says:

    Dates do not match with DOJ copy.

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  7. WSB says:

    Was that copy changed?

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  8. Ploni says:

    Why? To deceive the American citizenry and profit from their schemes and manipulations.

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  9. The Boss says:

    It might be that the only Carter Page FISAs in existence are maintained in the FISC’s secret files. That would put documentary evidence of criminal wrongdoing outside the reach of future Congressional document requests or public FOIA inquiries.

    So what happened to any other copies? I’d say they were deliberately destroyed by the same FBI leadership which agent Dugan stated wanted “to avoid the potential destruction of evidence”. I doubt any other copies were officially tracked either – kind of like the original Flynn 302.

    Along these lines, I think Dugan used his opportunity to draft the Wolfe sentencing memo to not only blow the DOJ-NSD and FBI leadership to hell, but to document the involvement of the SSCI in the whole illegal affair. Whoever reviewed the document before it was filed totally missed the fact that Dugan was outlining a conspiracy involving the Executive and Legislative branches. A white hat is in order for SSA Dugan – and a Secret Service detail.

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    • meow4me2 says:

      Are you not surprised by the sloppy reviewers who missed having their scheme exposed in this document? Either they missed it, or the damning evidence was added after their review, and I’m not sure that is possible.

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    • wcmcgirt says:

      Or they (the Special Counsel’s Office) were arrogant enough to think that it wouldn’t matter.

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    • flapjackEd says:

      The pressure for the SC to release the FISA was pretty high. They needed to get it out for reporting leading up to the 2018 mid-terms. One possibility is that they didn’t have a copy handy. Apparently the FISA court wasn’t too cooperative with requests for that document. So maybe in sloppiness or arrogance, they just released the one Dugan had sent over in his investigation packet. But they had to redact the dates because now the correct dates were publicly known due to Grassley and Johnson releases.

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      • Issy says:

        flapjackdEd: Expediency seems the most logical answer., along with the arrogance that they could redact whatever they wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it.

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    • marysmithkbi says:

      There was a post here a long while back where someone wanted the FISA from the FISC but they wouldn’t give them that copy. They wanted to compare. Was it Nunes? They thought the FBI versions were tampered with. They wanted the original. Did Dugan know and think that too? And yes, with Wolfe’s arrest they had to release Dugan’s version so as not to tip anyone that they have altered the original FISAs that are in FBI files. My guess is the FBI wanted to alter the lies they put in the FISA thinking the originals were safely tucked away at FISC. FISC has denied that one request they thought they would stay locked up. Dugan knew better and went there.

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  10. RAC says:

    Is there any other way of reading the documents mentioned without signing up to scribd ?

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  11. Drobaselt says:

    And remember, Rosenstein noted that the Dugan version was not the same as the one he signed – but, to my knowledge, was never asked, nor clarified, what those differences were.

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  12. Drobaselt says:

    And remember, Rosenstein noted that the Dugan version was not the same as the one he signed – but, to my knowledge, was never asked, nor clarified, what those differences were.

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    • WSB says:

      The DOJ/ SC version must have been altered over and above that date, IMHO.

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    • BitterC says:

      I believe what Rosenstein said was the FISA released did not comport with what he was briefed as to content when he signed it without reading it

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    • OlderAndWiser says:

      I think you have it.
      Lawyers at the DOJ-NSD division doctored the original FBI application before submitting to the FISC.
      So, Agent Dugan goes to the FISC and gets their copy – which, legally, is the source of record (truth) for the item, because that is what the FISC approved. He has two reasons to do this:
      1) Agent Dugan then changes the date before giving it to SSCI – so he can trace for leaks. He is successful at that.
      2) Agent Dugan also knows that the FISC court received a different document than what the FBI gave the DOJ. He now has the proof that lawyers at DOJ-NSD were doctoring the application AFTER FBI gave them their copy. DOJ (Mueller) figures this out and gets the Dugan copy for the FOIA request to cover their butt – they can’t give the wrong copy to the press who would figure it out. They know they can get the cooperation of the top FBI players to cover their butt internally.
      But Agent Dugan KNOWS.

      It’s a theory anyways.
      Good catch, Sundance.

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  13. corvairfan says:

    It seems SSA Dugan was getting either divine assistance, or help from someone with far greater access than he had. Like maybe a contractor that had been fishing around forbidden databases ? 🙂 Maybe he’d been listening in on Nellie’s HAM radio ?

    Whatever was going on, we are probably STILL seeing just the tip of the iceberg.

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  14. aussiedicko says:

    Just thinking out load.
    Dugan thought Main Justice was corrupt in 2017. No doubt he now knows Main Justice was corrupt in 2020. He has skin in the game, and knows what doors to look behind. Sundance loves his cryptic comments and leaving bread trail for others to follow.

    So here is my guess.

    What better man could Mr Durham have as a number 2, than SSA Dugan. I am sure that would have quite a few people shaking in there boots during their interviews, knowing they were talking to a straight cop, instead of one of their drinking buddies from down the pub.

    Sundance’s big reveal on the 15th must have some shock value. So it can’t be John Smith from West Wyoming or some other unknown. It must be someone we know, and he seems to be feeding us SSA Dugan.
    I can’t wait till the 15th.

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  15. Texas Rancher says:

    Sometimes I think my brain is so overloaded with this stuff, that it might start spilling out my ears! I remember something really important, sorta, but I can’t remember it exactly or exactly where I read it!

    That said, I seem to recall that the reason the DOJ used Dugan’s copy was because the DATES were different! Thereby making a lie of their cover story and proving that they had been spying long before they had permission to.

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    • Texas Rancher says:

      Also, they changed something a bit, in order to trap the leaker. Then, they began to use the changed version as if IT were the true document – and based their cover-up on that date. But it’s all a bit hazy right now… wish I could recall my “AHA!” Moment more clearly!

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  16. fred5678 says:

    Dugan did not trust the DoJ/NSD and his own FBI leadership to give him the same document that they gave to the FISC. He also didn’t trust the SSCI.

    Well played, agent Dugan!

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  17. Lurker360 says:

    Sundance previously opined that the FOIA SC released was the Dugan version to make sure the public version matched what the NYT already had in hand from Wolff. To give the press cover for the document they had illegally obtained. Why did Dugan seek his copy from FISC? Possibly to not tip off the DOJ/SC because he was indeed running a leak investigation?… And he KNEW that the SC had taken over the DOJ.

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    • beach lover says:

      And remember Wolfe was NEVER charged with leaking classified documents to the press (Watkins). Only Lying to authorities.

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      • warrprin1 says:

        BAM! … because an altered document is not the same document that was designated as classified. Post-alteration there are now 2 different sets of records. Since Wolfe released the altered doc, he could not be prosecuted for release of the actual classified one?

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        • Robert Smith says:

          That’s pretty weak if they ever use that argument.

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          • C2c says:

            The SSIC released the Dugan copy because they were trying to cover up their own corrupt involvement with the dossier. The SSIC did not want the world to know that Wolfe had leaked the application because Wolfe had threatened to take them all down with him, he’s their security guy, he knows their secrets. So, the SSIC had to release the Dugan copy in order to remain consistent with the leaked copy that was already out. If SSIC had released the true dated app it would have been an obvious flag as to why there where 2 different dated copies, which would lead to discovering the leak – right back to Wolfe threatened if he went down for leaking they all would go down. It worked for quite awhile, eh? Thanks to Sundance – it’s not what’s in the document, it’s what’s on the document – the date!

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            • C2C says:

              Sorry, that would be the Special Counsel that released the FISA copy. Same intent, SC didn’t want to expose that the leak came from the SSIC, so that’s coordination To cover up between the SC & SSIC right there

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  18. bowljoman says:

    Simply by oversight, the document should come from the FISC directly.
    dunno

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  19. TZ says:

    Why did SSA Dugan go to the FISC to pick up a copy?

    -To get a verified ‘official version’

    Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice an pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application?

    Because DOJ-NSD had done one or more of the following:
    -‘lost’ their copy
    -corrupted the document by editing, amending, or inserting leak traps
    -built procedural or institutional walls that prevented access

    When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why did they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?

    -It was already given to the press, texted to Watkins by Wolfe.
    -They didn’t want to expose potential leak trap differences
    -They were attempting to interfere with the leak investigation

    Why didn’t the DOJ release their clean copy of the FISA application?

    ***Because the clean copy wouldn’t match Wolfe’s leaked copy***

    Why did the DOJ find it necessary to release WFO FBI agent Brian Dugan’s equity?

    ***Because they knew it was going to be published, and they wanted the published leaked copy to match the FOIA released copy, hiding evidence of the leak***

    Additionally, how did Main Justice get SSA Brian Dugan’s copy of the FISA?

    -By using the Special Council spin-up process and AG Sessions recusal to seize control of all cases touching on Trump-Russia

    Importantly, when the DOJ decided to release the FISA application to the public, why did they release FBI Agent Dugan’s copy?

    ***THEY WANTED THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE VERSION***

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    • SteveT says:

      Wasn’t this released by the DOJ while under control of the Special Counsel. Was it the SC that wanted to hide the possibility of more versions?

      SteveT

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      • C2C says:

        Steve – yes, which means the Special counsel coordinated with the SSIC to coverup of the leak. Wolfe threatened to take down the SSIC members if they prosecuted him for the leak. Apparently SC couldn’t let that happen so they played along and tried to keep the leak tracer hidden. But Sundance noticed it!

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    • FreedomLover says:

      Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice an pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? – He also didn’t want DOJ-NSD to know what he was doing, for obvious reasons.

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    • bruzedorange says:

      I’m not nearly awake enough yet (yet I’m running late for work) to trust my thoughts, but…

      Do the question du jour and the connecting dots indicate that the FISA was (or contained) a corrupted SC cooperator in 2018?

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    • bessie2003 says:

      These make sense; plus, this is Main Justice’s (think SC) way of letting Dugan know they know what Dugan is up to and have copies of Dugan’s work files – a public way of intimidating the FBI investigator in a manner in which only he would be aware off – almost like a Wiessman threat to back off as we’re watching you too Mr. Dugan.

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      • Peoria Jones says:

        An unspoken message from the powers of the swamp to Dugan, and others like him. I was thinking along the same lines. (Plus, the obvious CYA to match documents.)

        Wouldn’t it be a hoot, if someone just asked them this directly? Wonder who will get that chance, because it’s bound to happen now.

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  20. CovfefeBerserker says:

    Have you heard this one?

    A Sundance walks into a bar, pulls a stool up to a politician, plops a ticking Nuc on the bar, and says “We need to talk.”

    Get ‘er Done, Son! May our true Lord guide you.

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  21. Chokdii8888 says:

    The DOJ-NSD copy had different content than the FISC copy;
    AND SSA Dugan was ALSO investigating someone in another Intelligence service.
    He had another target in the Intelligence community which is why he used FBI equity so as not to inform the other intelligence agency (so they could take mitigation measures) as it would alert the other target in another Intelligence agency.
    nuf said?

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  22. kenneth altwies says:

    Sessions started a leak investigation in January/February 2017.

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  23. Conrad says:

    Sundance earlier statements: It’s not what’s in the documents is concerning. It’s what’s on the documents. To me, that could be redactions. Did the NYT get and unredacted document?

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  24. Sucker MC says:

    On February 16th 2017 President Trump said the leaks are real but the news is fake.

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  25. Jambo says:

    “As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017. Agent Dugan then takes it to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence where he gave it to SSCI Security Director James Wolfe.”

    The FBI leak/Wolfe investigation began in April 2017?

    Click to access gov.uscourts.dcd.197472.44.0.pdf

    Was Dugan setting Wolfe up in March?

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  26. Kat Ford says:

    Was Dugan’s equity “missing” from the feebees’ files? Did Dugan want to avoid alerting feebees at his office of his actions? I still don’t understand why, for example, Flynn’s original 302 is missing. Surely, there is a back up location for all such files. (Of course, a document could be incorrectly named and filed in the wrong directory. Or a file could be intentionally placed in a different file). Interesting that Dugan could access the secret court’s file, though. The above court documents appear To have the typical federal court file markings.

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    • Conundrum says:

      You are assuming there was an original 302.

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    • bonkti says:

      I, too, wonder what the process was for Dugan to get the FISA application that Collyer was hesitant to release to Nunes.

      I wouldnt be surprised if Dugan had to get her approval, which puts Collyer in a new light. On the one hand, her report on contractor access is a primary source in the struggle for sunlight. On the other Sundance has shown her to passively acquiesce to the swamp’s way of doing things. But she may well have accomodated Dugan.

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  27. RAC says:

    I’m confused ………..
    “As SSA Dugan explains his investigative process he goes to great lengths to describe how he went to the FISA court to pick up a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17, 2017.”

    why is SD showing us a copy of Judge Dearie’s stuff because………

    “In June 2017, the FBI submitted a third renewal application, which FISC judge Raymond J. Dearie granted later that month under docket 17-679. This third renewal expired sometime in September 2017.”

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    • PS says:

      Maybe… part of the renewal process is to attach the previous version of the document.

      What if… When the FISA renewal was packaged in June 2017, they included Dugan’s March copy with the leak tracers, instead of the “original” copy? Simple bureaucratic mistake.

      One would then be able to retrieve ALL copies and observe the changes.

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  28. SteveT says:

    I have a recollection that Justice Collyer initially responded to the request for the FISC copy saying (paraphrased) why don’t you use a copy of the one you submitted (for the FISA apllication).

    At the time, this seemed to indicate that there might be different versions but I don’t remember seeing any resolution of this. I would have to go back and re-read lots of docs to get the timeline straight with respect to the Wolfe leak date. The Wolfe leak news took the attention away from the possibility of other changes by concentrating on the date changes made for the leak trap. Is there something else?

    Has the Special Counsel team removed/deleted the original (illegally?). Can this be proven?

    SteveT

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    • cboldt says:

      IIRC, Collyer’s rebuf there was to a Congressional request. Collyer didn’t want to give to Congress, what was FBI/DOJ to give.
      Contrast with request from FBI.

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    • GB Bari says:

      At the time, this seemed to indicate that there might be different versions…

      It would appear that Judge Collyer thought so too. She may have been very interested in seeing what version went public so she could compare it to the version in her possession.

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  29. butch cassidy says:

    If the SC altered the original fisa and had no choice but to release the original with the date redacted then there are 2 fisa’s out there. If someone were to get a hold of the original and the altered that would be a serious problem for the SC. Maybe someone has both of them.

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  30. SteveT says:

    I’m sorry if this is a duplication but the original is not showing on my screen despite a complete shutdown of my system and reboot of my laptop.

    I have a recollection that Justice Collyer initially responded to the request for the FISC copy saying (paraphrased) why don’t you use a copy of the one you submitted (for the FISA apllication).

    At the time, this seemed to indicate that there might be different versions but I don’t remember seeing any resolution of this. I would have to go back and re-read lots of docs to get the timeline straight with respect to the Wolfe leak date. The Wolfe leak news took the attention away from the possibility of other changes by concentrating on the date changes made for the leak trap. Is there something else?

    Has the Special Counsel team removed/deleted the original (illegally?). Can this be proven?

    SteveT

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  31. marckot77 says:

    Agent Dugan released his file to the SC. SC answered Foia request because SC needed to protect all their illgotten info as they were in the middle of as they continued with their prosecutions and were worried all that I’ll gotten info would be tossed. Also , had to redact agent Dugan date because it differed from original by 1 day. NY Times and others had fisa for 14 months and SC had to protect their co conspirators at the ny Times and others.

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    • Issy says:

      marckot77: I think this is the first I have seen someone refer to the media as conspirators, and you are absolutely correct. They conspired with the dems on the Russia Hoax mantra from day one and spread disinformation from all the leaks.

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  32. marckot77 says:

    Agent Dugan released his file to the SC. SC answered Foia request because SC needed to protect all their illgotten info as they were in the middle of as they continued with their prosecutions and were worried all that I’ll gotten info would be tossed. Also , had to redact agent Dugan date because it differed from original by 1 day. NY Times and others had fisa for 14 months and SC had to protect their co conspirators at the ny Times and others.

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  33. marckot77 says:

    Agent Dugan released his file to the SC. SC answered Foia request because SC needed to protect all their illgotten info as they were in the middle of as they continued with their prosecutions and were worried all that I’ll gotten info would be tossed. Also , had to redact agent Dugan date because it differed from original by 1 day. NY Times and others had fisa for 14 months and SC had to protect their co conspirators at the ny Times and others.

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  34. marckot77 says:

    Agent Dugan released his file to the SC. SC answered Foia request because SC needed to protect all their illgotten info as they were in the middle of as they continued with their prosecutions and were worried all that I’ll gotten info would be tossed. Also , had to redact agent Dugan date because it differed from original by 1 day. NY Times and others had fisa for 14 months and SC had to protect their co conspirators at the ny Times and others.

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  35. marckot77 says:

    Agent Dugan released his file to the SC. SC answered Foia request because SC needed to protect all their illgotten info as they were in the middle of as they continued with their prosecutions and were worried all that I’ll gotten info would be tossed. Also , had to redact agent Dugan date because it differed from original by 1 day. NY Times and others had fisa for 14 months and SC had to protect their co conspirators at the ny Times and others.

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    • Arrest Soros says:

      If your comment doesn’t appear after hitting the “Post Comment” button, just wait a couple of minutes and refresh the page.
      FIVE times FFS
      Clutter clutter.

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      • old45model says:

        AS, that makes me chuckle. I did interpret ‘Clutter clutter’ as ‘grumble grumble’, though.
        For some reason, I can hit ‘post’, the wheel turns half a dozen times and up it pops – in the correct spot, no less. [two winks].

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      • old45model says:

        AS, I’m so sorry. I now see why you said that. I misinterpreted your meaning and apologise most sincerely.
        Those multiples annoy me, as well.

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  36. Fromseatoshinningsea says:

    Been a fan lover of great mystery stories and detectives my entire life. The great detectives unravel the web, snif out the evil doers in a final scene, and thd trutb becomes known, justice prevails.

    Agatha Christie, AC Doyle, Poe, Sam Spade, Hercule P, Philip Marlowe, Philo Vance, couldn’t unravel this one; not with the deceits and misinformation laced in. The agencies that eliminated JFK didn’t invent the model, they copied it from Lenin, who stole it from someone else. It’s been around as long as humans have desired power over others, the techniques always representative of the times. Cutting through the lies and learning the truth on this seditionist plot to overthrow our republic, in this day and age of technology and corrupt and compromised govt agencies is the greatest detective work we will ever know. This isn’t the murder of a rich, mean old dowager, this is the assassination of our president and the death of our republic.

    Finish this off SD, and we shall storm the gates.

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  37. RAC says:

    SD asks this…..
    “When Main Justice DOJ (think special counsel) released the FISA application, under the auspices of a FOIA fulfillment, on July 21, 2018, why *did* they release FBI Agent Brian Dugan’s copy?”

    I don’t understand that question, because it couldn’t have been Dugans copy.

    Dugan got his copy in March 2017, but the FOIA released copy was Judge Dearie’s which didn’t exist until June 2017.

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  38. Guffman says:

    Seems like almost everyone here is overlooking the blatant graphic clue SD left at the end of this post… focus more on TASH (Gauhar).

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  39. old45model says:

    I get the impression the action taken was not only against Wolfe, per se (because Duggan says the leaks are already known about?) – but about members of the SSCI leaking – perhaps specifically the Chair and Vice Chair?
    Would their being given a warning have caused listening ears and watching eyes to gain a certain enjoyment in the following period?
    Could the FBI have simply delayed warning them and continued investigating?
    What if Wolfe wasn’t the main conduit for leaks?
    Or is it simply my tired old brain, in the early evening?

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    • Johnny says:

      You are on the right path. SSA Dugan was after way bigger fish than Wolfe.
      He went around the DOJ-NSD by obtaining a copy from the FISA court.
      I believe he was trying to set a leak trap for a group of seditious leakers, that included the SCCI and the DOJ/FBI.

      If he would have obtained his leak trap copy from DOJ-NSD the conspirators within the group would have known about the trap and would have warned the rest of the seditious group they were being hunted.

      As a few others up thread are theorizing about a FISA that was altered from the one the FISA court had on record, is an Atomic bomb if proven correct.
      That would indicate the Special Counsel knew about the Alteration of evidence by FBI attorneys

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    • old45model says:

      I wonder why both the Collyer and Mossman ‘warrants’ both bear the 3/17/17 date?
      Were both transmitted to the SSCI?
      Did Wolfe send his ‘squeeze’ the wrong one?
      I’m probably totally confused but I thought there was only one set of documents transmitted to the SSCI.

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      • old45model says:

        I wonder if Duggan did nothing more than a simple page swap or two between the Collyer and Mossman documents, then handed the one copy to Wolfe?
        Just a ‘simple mistake’ – so easy to do if all the papers are loose leaf and they are accidently dropped. That way he wouldn’t actually be ‘altering’ any written information but rather he would simply be hurrying to get them back in order.

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    • C2C says:

      Or Warner instructed Wolfe to leak it

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  40. Michael Reed says:

    “Why didn’t Agent Dugan just go to Main Justice an pick up a copy from the DOJ-NSD file that contained the FISA application? Why go to the FISA Court for a copy?”

    Maybe he did go to Main Justice for the DOJ-NSD file. Maybe he has two copies that are show the DOJ-NSD file copy had been changed from the original held by the FISA Court.

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    • ampurdy123 says:

      If you were investigating leak.. and didn’t trust anyone.. wouldn’t you need to do your due diligence and obtain all copies of the FISA application… If DOJ/NSD found out that Dugan had obtained the original copy of the FISA application AFTER the DOJ/NSD provided an altered copy of it to Dugan… then Dugan would now have two copies of the FISA application in his hands… My guess is that he received the copy of the FISA application from Tash.. and now has proof of that Tash altered it… If you are a plumber.. you have to assume there are multiple leaks.. not just one… Dugan happened to catch two birds with one stone… maybe more…

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      • ampurdy123 says:

        I am also thinking the reason the DOJ/NSD released Dugan’s copy of the Carter Page FISA application as opposed to using their clean version… had something to do with the FISA Court’s order to sequester related cases such as George Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, General Flynn ect.. So maybe the DOJ/NSD produced the Dugan/FBI Equity per the FOIA to conceal/hide SSCI leaks… so that it could not be used in other cases? More exculpatory evidence showing the coordination between the DOJ/NSD, SSCI, and Media to take down the Presidency and anyone associated with it… hence connecting more dots of the coup..

        If my memory serves me correct.. as soon as the special counsel was appointed… all FBI investigations involving Russia Collusion suddenly became their purview… which included Dugan’s investigation.. which is probably how they obtained Dugan’s/FBI equity copy?

        Who is LeeAnn Flynn Hall? FISC, Clerk… Any relation to General Flynn?

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      • warrprin1 says:

        It feels like it’s getting warmer in here.

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  41. When did Sundance turn into Deep Throat? “Follow the money.” I read CTH everyday. I read everyone’s posts, but this housewife/tennis player is lost. I know Dugan did a leak investigation. I know he changed the date on his copy. Who all did he make his copy available to? FBI (FBI equity) and SSIC. Wolfe leaks his copy to his NYT girlfriend, and she prints it in an article. Did the SC/DOJ notice the date change and release Dugans copy per a request before Wolfe got busted so all public versions would match? Is that what everyone is saying? Who was Dugan reporting to? What did Dugan do after his version not just caught Wolfe, but caught the SC/DOJ? That had to blow his mind, right?

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    • Lisa in TN says:

      Dugan did his investigation and completed it without SC/DOJ knowing. They only found out when it was all wrapped up and Dugan turned in his files. THEN SC/DOJ crapped their pants and worked to fix their problem —exposure of SSCI and dirty reporters. They kept the seeded FISA leak file from the grand jury (protect Wolfe) and then leaked it as a FOIA (—Sundance asking why leak – my guess is to warn everyone that had dirty copies, all these dates we’re redacting – don’t use them, they’ll flag you)

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      • flapjackEd says:

        Bingo

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      • Right to reply says:

        So, who did use/print FISA stories containing the wrong dates?

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      • readyandable1 says:

        I think you got what you’ve outlined correct.

        It does also seem that likely, as others upthread have outlined, that the DOJ filed version of the FISA is not what the FISA court had; meaning either they altered the DOJ copy before submitting to FISA, or after submitting to FISA- either way there would be two copies that are different in material content, and another, third copy (Dugan’s) that is different from the FISA copy he originally obtained because he changed the date by one day.

        That makes 3 total copies:
        DOJ (Altered material content before or after the FISC court submitted copy)
        FISC court copy (the one actually submitted and approved by the court)
        Dugan copy (matches the FISC court copy in material content, but with that date changed by 1 day)

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      Conservative 302, just a quick question noticed you are a tennis player, are you missing all the remaining season of tennis US Open etc? I know I am. I so enjoy reading Sundance and every treepers comments here. God Bless. Happy tennis playing enjoy.

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    • Issy says:

      Conservative302: I thought I understood what had been done, but after reading all these theories, I’m getting confused.

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  42. GovLaw says:

    Do we even know for sure why Dugan was giving a copy to Wolfe/SSCI other than as a sting?

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  43. Lisa in TN says:

    I wondered the same thing…then this just occurred to me. Mueller had it in his file. Mueller was the one who released it. Purpose? The dates he redacted (the changed ones) lets the newspaper reporters cronies know which dates NOT to use in their reporting or they will be caught as Illegally having/using this classified document.

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  44. Arrest Soros says:

    The FISA copy would have had various court stamps on it, distinguishing it from the copy held at Main Justice.
    This is important because when the file is leaked, Dugan needs to be certain that it was his copy that he gave the SSCI was leaked from the SSCI. How else could he be certain that the leak didn’t come from Main Justice?

    The SC released Dugans copy of the file because it was different in some way (thinking of what that DOJ lawyer did with the email in the FISA application to fool the court) than the one at FISC.
    Why? Maybe the SC presented something very different to the gang of 8 and/or SSCI in order to not alert the honest Republicans that the whole Russiagate thing was KNOWN to be a scam from the start.

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  45. gsonFIT says:

    I came to wish Sidney and the General the best of luck, but my attention is always drawn to the FISC post. I thought the reason Dugin’s FISA was used is because Warner’s SSCI group was busted and they decided to sacrifice Wolfe by releasing the Dugin booby trapped FISA instead of starting a committee investigation or exposing a single senator. I thought we had established this but not sure. But this also might be why Burr was teed up for a potential future sacrifice.

    Keep in mind this is the only FISA warrant ever released to the general public since the Star Chamber was created in 1978

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  46. Martin says:

    You didn’t get that from us…

    Is it known for certain that the FOIA released warrant, the Dugan collateral, is identical to the DOJ copy, except for the date?

    There’s no better way to protect the formative collateral material from prying eyes than to send Dugan to FISC for his copy– and it keeps the Bureau on the back porch, so to speak.

    Layers of culpable deniability. Meuller was the figurehead, and his former agency was the patsy. Yates blamed the Bureau, did she not?

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  47. Flying Farmgirl says:

    Maybe because there were other copies, with other small changes, “leak traps” floating around, which had led to other places, and they didn’t want the other people to be able to compare their versions to the original, clean version,

    So release the obvious fake, which had obviously caught Leaker 1, without releasing a clean version so that Leakers 2,3,4 could tell what was wrong with their copies …

    A little paranoia goes a long way.

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  48. pa96er says:

    Just spitballing…. but the court ID/ date stamps at the top of the applications are different between the first and second Oct 2016 copies. They both indicate they are from FISA but they are different stamps. It also says “top secret” on the first and “secret” on the second. Shouldn’t they be the same if they used Dugan’s copy? Maybe I’m taking the… “It’s not what’s in the documents, it’s what’s on the documents” thing a little too literal???

    Go get ’em SD!!!

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  49. gsonFIT says:

    Read back through some of the comments. You early birds are smarter than the average bear. This doesnt expose just Warner and SSCI it confirms that a “rogue” FBI agent stuck his middle finger up at the Special Counsel when Muller/Weissman took over the DOJ . Recall how SD has been explaining the SC control of all documents. It is a twofer!!! Weissman, Schiff and Warner are equally despicable

    SD received an invitation to DC because he found the path that exposes the witch hunt

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  50. regitiger says:

    dugan goes to FISC to get the only certified copy of the legal application because he KNOWS the SC has altered and has been using a modified “in house” fisa warrant application to provide a means to access powers that the FISC had never authorized. The modified fisa application the fbi is using (perhaps more than one version of it) was used by the sc and counter intel teams to direct others within the department to wittingly or not complete a series of unlawful acts (aka, actions not approved by the FISC warrant based on the “authentic original” application)

    thats one way to explain it.

    the other way to explain it…bear with me on this one:

    the sc realizes the original fisa application and actions that follow will not solve a serious problem relating to predicate…what was the cause for taking the investigation in the first place…and more importantly…WHO made that judgment…specifically…what person..? and on what basis…from what serious inquiry led to suspicions that warranted looking and using spy about powers against page..?????

    realizing the very real consequences then and also understanding the consequences later when proving or finding itself incapable of forming a means to defends or explain rationally or credibly hoe that predicate was firmed and by whom…it then becomes necessary to cloud the subject matter by CARPET BOMBING AND LITTERING THE ENTIRE INSITUTION AT THE WORKING LEVEL WITH INTENTIONALLY FALSE AND MODIFIED documents. It can later be explained that due to a series of “blunders”…administrative mistakes…core documents were improperly distributed and used by sc and counter intel…at the very least this method creates distracting confusion AWAY FROM the most risky aspect of the fraud they created: how this actually got started…THAT has never been answered properly…we’ve only seen innuendo, gossip, and black hole theories.

    the layer aspect of providing other modified documents to the house intell committe is pretty essy to estimate…insulate congress from any harm by giving it limited and incomplete…because you know…congress is a liability…cannot be trusted with classmat..

    reminder: feinstein took the action on multiple occassions to release inner sanctum read outs from these briefs…obviously to announce to key players how to prepare and expect..and to signal to specific media assets…there is a mole hunt..

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Remain open to change until SSA Dugan is questioned by Durham, is my recommendation.

      Until you have proof, it remains speculation. Several paths remain until more is known. The SSA Dugan could have known through personal knowledge that Carter Page was both CIA/FBI. Therefore, the FISA document was pure Bull Shit from the start from his perspective.

      I see, an opportunity for promotion and therefore I will start a sting operation. You may have noticed that SSA Dugan was promoted, after this when down.

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