## The Truth Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings – The Big Ugly…

Do not misinterpret anger for defeatism.  Truth is the fuel for cold anger, and it’s time everyone begins accepting some painful truths.

What some have called “Spygate” is not a frozen moment in time or a set of dates on a calendar with a beginning and an end.  Spygate was the originating process to ensure the DC system did not experience the disruption carried by Donald John Trump; but it was only the originating process….

….The process of opposition against Donald Trump is a continuum.

Those who use DC for influence and affluence control the mechanisms within the self-actuating system. This includes both Democrats and Republicans as they both feed from the same trough.  In the effort to remove Donald Trump, both wings of the uniparty bird were aligned with an identical purpose; Democrats carrying out their effort openly, and the republican elements operating covertly as to retain the DC premise.

Specifically, one common misconception is thinking the Mueller special counsel was an outcome of an action by President Trump when he fired former FBI Director James Comey.  This is false.  The special counsel process was a continuum in the effort to remove the threat that Donald Trump represented back in the early primary days of 2016.  The system, writ large, was aligned with this purpose.

There would have been a special counsel investigating the nonsense around ‘Trump-Russia’ regardless of Comey being fired. The special counsel was always part of the plan.

In October 2016 Deputy Attorney General John Carlin, in charge of the National Security Division of the DOJ bailed out of the effort after misleading the FISA court on their surveillance activity and setting up the introduction of the FISA warrant against Carter Page.  Carlin was replaced by a more committed traveler/ideologue named Mary McCord.

With Mary McCord in place to continue the DOJ-NSD aspects to the resistance and removal effort, the DOJ and FBI simply continued the process after the November 2016 election.  Internally all of the officials, essentially lawyers, within the DOJ-NSD were carrying out the removal objective and cleverly attempting to cover their tracks.

We see the creation in plausible deniability with the use of Bruce Ohr as a bridge between the politically corrupt DOJ-NSD and the politically corrupt FBI.  Ohr was carrying the messages from outside the system (Chris Steele) into the system. This was his function.

Everyone knew what Ohr’s mission was.  Anyone today, like Sally Yates, who claims they had no idea what the #4 official was doing is simply lying.  That is part of the plausible deniability part. It was set up that way.  Everyone knew what to expect, everyone knew the goals and objectives and every part of the process was compartmentalized to create these functional denials in case anything went sideways; or if the objective failed.

Andrew Weissmann was inside this DOJ-NSD system and he was a primary participant in transferring the spygate operation into the special counsel.  Again, it’s one long continuum.  Tashina Gauhar was the internal tool who had the objective to facilitate the effort and block any DOJ leadership effort that might disrupt the goal.  She too did her job very well.

This is where it must be accepted the DOJ-NSD was the legal side of the usurpation effort.  Everyone at the top three levels inside the system was participating.  Some of them are still there despite the primary agents leaving.

The special counsel then became the continuation of the process.  Once in place it was the special counsel who ran the show from Main Justice.  Additional operatives were brought in to coordinate the plan.  Pictured group below:

No action took place inside Main Justice that was not controlled by this group. Nothing.

When congress was battling for information, it was the special counsel who held control. Nothing was ever released without the special counsel releasing it.  Nothing was ever redacted, removed, or hidden without this group doing the functional work to control it.

This is critical because too many people have failed to accept that any information released from Main Justice was purposefully released as part of a strategy.  An example of that control is the release of the Carter Page FISA application in July 2018.  This is the group who released it.

When ever anyone was asking who was redacting the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages, it was this group.  They also removed some.

This group also controlled what Inspector General Michael Horowitz was allowed to review as part of any of his investigative inquiries.  Everything was labeled as part of the special counsel investigation…. that’s how they justified and got away with it.

Simultaneously this group was leaking to their friends and allies in the media to frame narratives beneficial to their effort.  The media were willing to assist their friends; and indeed, they are friends.  They run in the same circles, attend the same parties, go to the same functions and meet both personally and professionally.  This is the network.

To understand or expose the largest part of the corruption that exists within DC you need a thread, a fulcrum example to share that exposes how this allied network operates. That example is best evidenced, irrefutably, within the story of how Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Security Director James Wolfe was caught facilitating the objectives.

Wolfe was caught by an external investigator from the FBI Washington Field Office named Brian Dugan.  While the special counsel likely knew the periphery of what the Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) was doing (a leak investigation), it was not until the complete investigative file was turned over to the special counsel in January 2018 when the special counsel group grasped the totality of the issues involved.

Immediately the special counsel group formed an attack plan because the outcome of Dugan’s investigation was toxic to their interests in the early part of 2018.   The special counsel stripped the investigative file of the details damaging to their ongoing corrupt effort.  They could not allow the public to know the FISA application was in the hands of their media allies since March of 2017.  This story cuts to the heart of corrupt activity.

What the special counsel team did in order to protect their activity is incredible.  Only someone as arrogant and Machiavellian as Andrew Weissmann could have planned to carry out this scheme.   That’s why he is currently attacking – it’s fear.

The background of the Wolfe story is the thread that lays the corrupt special counsel activity naked to sunlight; and the Wolfe story exposes just how the process from early 2016 all the way through the impeachment effort of August 2019 was put together.  The ramifications are so significant that when you become aware of the Wolfe story everything reconciles.

Nothing is circumstantial, everything is exposed with direct evidence sworn under oath and subject to perjury.   Dig this story hard and everything reconciles.

Yes, FISA abuse is a big deal; yes, crossfire hurricane is a big deal; yes, the Carter Page FISA application is a big deal; yes, the Chris Steele aspect is a big deal; but in the final analysis that’s only the beginning of the effort.  Look at what the special counsel was doing from May 2017 to April 2019 and the scale of the effort is stunning.

Corrupt Republicans and Democrats worked together; the legislative branch worked in coordination with usurping elements inside the executive branch; the intelligence apparatus and the State Dept worked to assist both the legislative branch and the usurping agents inside the DOJ-NSD and Main Justice.

….And, worst of all, none of it could have been carried out if there was not someone very close to President Trump, someone very much participating with the effort, who was whispering in his ear about making appointments that were specifically designed to allow the effort to continue.

Who recommended ODNI Coats? Who recommended DOJ-NSD head lawyer Michael Atkinson, the top FISA review authority and counsel to the head of the NSD, transfer from the NSD to become Intelligence Community Inspector General? Both recommendations had purpose; look at what ICIG Atkinson did with NSC operative Alexander Vindman? These internal actions were not accidental.

That’s ugly.

That’s the truth.

That’s where cold anger gives way to righteous fury.

…and believe me DC is petrified of that story.

### 1,788 Responses to The Truth Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings – The Big Ugly…

1. IV-Vigilante says:

Events. That’s all that matters now. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very poor understanding of human nature and the real state of our country.

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2. Murray in Nashville says:

First I do not like these guessing games.

Second it really seemed to me, that the Demorats expected the Republican’s to join them in the impeachment effort and were surprised and disappointed that they did not. Thus either McConnell was in, and he was forced to back off or he is not all in on removing the President. Frankly I think he is too obvious.

I really do not think Pence is a player in any thing going on and that includes being the VP or running in 2024.

Of the names mentioned I would guess it is Pompeo but I am not sure why that revelation, in of itself, would terrify anyone.

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• WhiteBoard says:

Hey Murray ,

out of respect, i read your post, and just want to say this isnt a guessing game. I feel this is a chance for the POWERS THAT BE to make the right choice so the NAME isnt NAMED.

My guess is this article serves 2 purposes. to update anyone reading, and to inform the Prosecutors (that no of this site now, no plausible deniability after meeting”) that the name can be named if they dont act. The Name destroys the system, Rattles the Republic, DOesnt save the institutions. IF they want to save the institution they ACT.

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• brutalus2 says:

Yes, this is a very streamlined post that whittles down the Big Ugly into a more simplified, “Made to Stick” meme that can be shared to our friends and family…all the while, leaving a little cliff hanger on the next shoe to drop…no one on here is in a position to question Sundance’s methods

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• WhiteBoard says:

This RESONATES more than the NSA DATABASE right?

If this NAME is proven involved – this WRECKS our entire TRUST in the system? and it would immediately take non-beleivers and have them THINK SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH DC.

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• buddy smot says:

Sessions recommended Pence. Pence recommended Atkinson, and got Flynn fired. Pence is a free trader. Pence, Priebus, and Ryan are best friends. Pompeo is a war hawk.

But the real question is where is the seat of government?

There is nothing wrong with DC. There is something wrong with your perception of DC.

I remain concerned about the campaign. What is the message? Brace yourselves.

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• amjean says:

My opinion is that, regardless of whether “they”, whomever they are, act, the information needs to be fed to the American people. If it would be in synopsis form, that would be even better. Although I enjoy reading the details because I am sort of a political junky,
many will not read for 20 minutes, then go back and reread to absorb more details.

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• Dutchman says:

Murray in Nashville;
IMHO, When PDJT released the transcript of the phone call, the second, Ukraine impeachment attempt was doomed, and everyone involved KNEW it.

They simply didn’t expect PDJT to release the transcripts, and were unprepared.

But, at that point the very public display by the Dems was too far along to stop, despite everyone knowing it was futile.

It was obvious the Reps in the Senate were NOT going to say they would vote to convict, in order to get PDJT to resign, which was the actual goal of impeachment 1.0 (Mueller) and impeachment 2.0 (Ukraine).

1.0 similarly fell apart when they realised that, regardless the provocation, PDJT was NOT going to fire Mueller team, Rosie and Sessions, which is what Senate Republicons NEEDED, in order to justify saying they would vote to convict, in order to force PDJT to resign, so they WOULDN’T have to stand in the glare of history, as Republican Senators voting to impeach a Republican President.

One could say this was “Watergate, rebooted” using the original as a pattern.

You START with asking “What could Republicon Senators use, as an excuse to say they would vote to convict?”

“A Saturday night massacre, where PDJT (who practically trademarked “Your FIRED”) Fires Mueller team, Rosie and Sessions, in what can be PORTRAYED as Obstruction of Justice by obstructing an investigation of him, his campaign and his administration.

Perhaps get him in a ‘perjury trap’ as well. Doesn’t MATTER that the original charge is later disproven, its that he can be portrayed as firing the investigators to cover up.

Sing along with Mitch;
“No one is above the Law, not even the POTUS!”
Graham would have, with press in tow gone to the WH, and given the “for party and country, you must resign!”

But no matter HOW provacative, the Cohen raids of his personal attorney, the Stormy directed leaks, the Flynn debacle, the Stone arrest, PDJT wouldn’t fall for it.

In desperation, Lindsey intro’d legislation to prohibit PDJT from firing Mueller. Then had to withdraw it, because its UnConstitutional, thereby making it clear PDJT COULD, legally fire them.

Of coarse if he HAD, the political spin would have ignored that.

When that STILL didn’t trigger PDJT to go on a firing spree, they realised that Mueller had failed in that goal.

The report was never intended to be more than a footnote, as PDJT Firing Mueller team, and the resulting impeachment would have made it moot.

So, they had to wind it down, and end it, which we all saw them do.

You need a Dem maj House, an excuse Rep Sens can use, and for any Congressional activity (like Nunes) to be suppressed.

You NEED Congressional leadership fully complicit, in order to KNOW you have those things, at the outset.

Otherwise there is no way accomplished swamp rats like Btennan, Comey etc. would proceed.

And, Obama officials, while still having power in the Party, are NOT enough.

They HAD to know “if it went off the rails” that Reps wouldn’t exploit it.

The only way you can rely on something like that, in the swamp, is if exposure for THEM is as bad or worse as exposure for you; if they are COMPLICIT, themselves.

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• WhiteBoard says:

yes ! the EXCUSE was removed by the transcript.

as you stated – an unprecedented move to declassify. IT caught everyone off guard.

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• zorrorides says:

So I’m scrolling along, reading stuff, and this one keeps making more sense. So I roll back up to the top and see, yep, it’s der Dutchman. Figures. C’mon, man.

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• Ackman419 says:

Dutchman has a lot of well conceived posts.
His line of thought carries weight, uses common sense and Occam.

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• WhiteBoard says:

haha – so true.

Dutchman’s post of the media putting things out to trigger us to hate that group – is starting to click.

reds versus blues – to keep us from seeing the minority manipulators.

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• KIMBERLY K HUDSON says:

😆 I did the EXACT SAME THING! Too funny!

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• Dutchman says:

🙂

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• jbowen82 says:

There is zero chance that Pompeo is disloyal to the President or that he is toold of the Deep State. He is hated by them.

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• Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

First I do not like these guessing games.

I left my rope behind.
You can use it to climb out of this rabbit hole if you’d like.

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3. ukdeplorable says:

If it is someone that DC is terrified of being exposed then surely Mitch because then people would see the uniparty for what it is. How angry do you think the people will be of both sides if they find out that all of the ‘choice’ and ‘freedom’ is fake and a big game to line the pockets of the insiders. McConnel could have put that impeachment sham away easily by refusing to go along with it, but he didn’t and ensured that President Trump went through it. He obviously is impacted by President Trump’s China policy and has lots of financial reasons not to want the swamp drained. He never allows recess, never supports MAGA candidates and his silence is deafening every time President Trump needs support in the media.
Even his judicial choices really just create a new group of people who will be loyal to him because he chose them, so he increases his coterie of yes people. My money on McConnel if I were a gambling lady.

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• dd_sc says:

^ This.

Senator Hawley alluded to this in the video sundance posted a few days back. For years from GOPe it’s been “Support us on all these issues, and in return we’ll appoint conservative judges.”

Expose McConnell and expose the Uniparty corrupt business model – no ignoring that by DOJ or State AGs.

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• Kirsty I says:

My eyes go directly to VP Pence. We know he and Ryan were trying to evoke Rule #9 of the RNC platform, so they would usurp him and go on to win. They had posters ready.
My greatest worry is his weakest link.
Ivanka.
Ivanka and Chelsea are friends, unapologetic friends.
Jared and Soros are also involved in many business deals together.
I realize I sound like a bad film noir, however the older I get, I realize you can suppose the absolutely worst and often, are right.
I also realize that I know a lot less than I once thought I did.
However, abortion DID become a method of birth control.

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• L. E. Joiner says:

“Jared and Soros are also involved in many business deals together.”

Huh? Can you document this?

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• WhiteBoard says:

Senator Thune alluded to this – his Majority whip to favor mail in votes. Something EXPLICITLY against what POTUS said publically.

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• gsonFIT says:

I think McConnell helped PDJT not at all. But we haven’t seen Kelly in quite some time, And her husband is a neanderthal. Perhaps he is giving voice to her silent personality. I wonder 2 other things: Is this person anonymous that wrote the times article? And is this person referenced in the Archey declaration regarding Comey memos? Those seem nuclear at this point.

The Bilderberg people behind this started wars, crashed markets and overthrew governments. Lots of death and ruin. I am going to need executions.

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• tpwbama says:

Kelly Ann has been on FOX several times lately.

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4. Sparty says:

Does mick leave DC petrified? Nope. Mitch? Nope. Everyone knows his game and he’s never been in Trump’s ear. Kellyanne is a bit player. An afterthought.
Pompeo: remember Sundance was convinced Pompeo was actually serving the deep state as “Trump’s Handler”? That would to me be a major bummer because I believe he is aligned with Trump’s foreign policy/economic security is national security overall strategy.

Pence: recommends Birx and Fauci. And he knew well what total frauds both were, entangled with Fauci for years, sat back and in my opinion let the task force become weaponized against all of US. The People. In Congress 2001-2013 and held key R position that would facilitate access to EVERYONE. Apparently though I have no proof his wife Karen hates Trump – insanely jealous of Melania.

I detest Pence for the “Task Force”. And his outing would terrify DC more than a SOS.

Pence.

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If you have no proof that Pence’s wife is “insanely jealous of Melania” and that she hates Trump, why bring it up? What do you base if on other than that the Pence’s are evangelicals and those people tend to believe in modest appearance and quiet lifestyle. The Pence’s fit the mold of their religious background, which dosen’t tend to be backstabbing liars. Now, maybe they are, but then they’ve also fooled the pastors who advise Trump that recommended him and are responsible for Trump choosing him. People here tend to hate him, but it always seems they attack but give no real facts to support their hatred. Maybe Pence deserves it, I don’t know, but I know that I’ve asked here many times for people to spell out specifically what makes the Pence’s so evil and no one ever replies with anything but opinion, not specific facts.
Unsubstantiated attacks on character are no different than the attacks from the left and never-Trumpers that we hear against POTUS all the time.

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• pawatcher says:

Sometimes ya gotta go with gut feelings. Nobody hates him, we just don’t trust him.

What was in the envelope at PaPa Bush’s funeral?? Trump sure never got one.

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• Tl Howard says:

I’m sick of that envelope crap.
Who in the world would pass dangerous conspiratorial notes to others in full view of the cameras?

Can’t help it if here I sound like the idiot: “Come on, man!”

There are, after all, much more secure ways of communication.

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• LizzieinTexas says:

Reading through the article, this was one question that came to mind (What was in the envelope at PaPa Bush’s funeral?). I hadn’t thought of it in very long time.

I have no idea why but it is interesting you posted it.

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• cattastrophe says:

I for one wonder who was Pence supposed to choose in place of Fauci? Were he and President Trump supposed to look nationwide for someone to take the place of those already in place with the knowledge to help in what he thought was a pandemic.

As has been the case all along President Trump and Pence too have been forced to go with experts in the field that are already in government positions. Having done so you only find out they are not what was needed after the fact of needing them.

The second guessing of how Pence was supposed to find other experts not associated with the CDC always leaves out any details of how he could have possibly accomplished it.

Making the best of situations and doing necessary changes mid stream or later have been what President Trump has had to do all along since there are so few trustworthy people with experience he can call on who aren’t deep state. Expecting him to know all of this about every individual beforehand without exception is ridiculous and the same goes for VP Pence.

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• BebeTarget / abdb61 says:

Fauci is a political hack, and anyone in D.C. knows it. From the work at NIH in 2005 Fauci knew chloroquine works on this virus. He kept that information to himself and let people die, businesses close and our entire way of life change.

Pence could have suggested many doctors for a task force from around the country.. Instead, POTUS was coerced into using Fauci and Birx. Why? Fauci announced in January 2017 the Trump administration would face a pandemic. He knew because he was going to be in charge of it.

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• amjean says:

I have no facts either; just the sense that Pence reminds me of the kid on “Leave It to Beaver”……”Good morning Mrs. Cleaver!”….what was his name?

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• Steve says:

Dave I see what you’re saying about evangelicals not known for being backstabbing people however there are many who walk among us. Our Prime Minister here in Australia is a leader of the Pentecostal, correct me if I’m using the wrong term here, Hillsong church. They are known to have ties to rock spiders and I wouldn’t trust or believe one word that comes out of Scott Morrison’s mouth. He is not only a snake and a liar but he was not a duly elected prime minister. He was given the job by way of a setup and a coup against one of the challengers for the job. This was done by none other than Malcolm Turnbull. We have the similar problems here but nowhere near what you guys are going through but I just wanted to highlight that while Pence seems quiet & trustworthy there’s always the chance it’s a good act. JMO.

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• Kirsty I says:

Do not forget that as we “followed the wives”, we saw Hillary Clinton, Jill Biden, Mike Obama, Laura Bush AND KAREN PENCE all get envelopes at GWH Bush’s funeral.
Remember Jeb’s face?
They all received them in their programs before POTUS and FLOTUS arrived.
The first time I heard Mike Pence saying, ‘I’m a Christian, a conservative and a Republican in that order”, after Speaker Ryan’s toe curling introduction at the RNC convention, I thought, where have I seen this man before?
Oh yeah. Jim Bakker.
We are all given discernment, Christians are always told to ‘test the spirits’.
So it’s all opinion, other than the fact that Mike Pence and Speaker Ryan sent emails to each other on October 9, 2016 in order to impose Rule #9 of the RNC’s platform that they were ready to invoke in order to get rid of then citizen Trump.
You know, the horrific, mind bendingly evil sentence that President Trump say?
He mentioned the word, ‘pussy’.
I’m still stunned and bereft of sense that such evil could exist in one man, or indeed in the world…
Gheesh.

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Well, I want to congratulate some of my fellow posters for denigrating and stereotyping evangelicals. Straight out of the leftist playbooks. You have nothing to substantiate your accusations against Pence. Sundance just wants you to digest how this weaves together so you will be ready for the reveal and other aspects of the treason/sedition that will need to be explained to the masses.

We will know soon enough.

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• KIMBERLY K HUDSON says:

I’m not throwing this out there for the purpose of guessing who the mystery person is, because I honestly have no clue. But I have always wondered why it is that the TDS/Never-Trump hysteria spewed daily for years, never affects Pence either directly or indirectly? Pence NEVER takes any heat for the things the Fake News goes ape-sh*t over. Granted, Pence never speaks poorly of POTUS; however, he does not overtly defend POTUS in any meaningful way, or speak out directly against the lies spewed against Trump on a daily basis. Anyone else ever ponder this too?

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• amjean says:

In addition to your point, the Marxists and their media buddies, never go after
VP Pence.

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• BebeTarget / abdb61 says:

AGREE. I think Pence has been Swamp from day one. Re-visit interviews he gave years ago . . . . . . lots of double-speak, buzz words and no answers to any questions.

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• alohazen33 says:

He also threw Flynn under the bus, forced his firing, and that event alone has had deep and lasting negative repercussions on Trump’s first term.

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5. Cueball says:

Sundance , you have promised you will drop the hammer if Barr/Durham do not enlighten us by 8/15 . On #Qanon , we have been told ‘ just wait the wheels of justice crap ‘ . If the info is not released by 8/15 , I will never come back to this website . I’ll look on 8/16 . That’s it !!!

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• barnabusduke says:

Yeah, right… 😉

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• We Can Only Hope says:

Cueball, I see the same pattern here as I do on Q. Any post that is critical of Q or SD is immediately followed by several “trust the plan” posts. I hope it’s just a coincidence, but it’s a huge red flag. I think both could be coordinated, with disinfo to make appear they are not. I am grateful for all that SD has exposed, but as SD says, it’s all for nothing without action. I’m hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.

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• brutalus2 says:

What will we do without you?

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• WhiteBoard says:

Sundance just about 8/15’d it JUST THEN.

if you have good intentions – reread the article and realize what he is THROWING DOWN.

THIS ENDS our SYSTEM as we know it IF THAT NAME IS MENTIONED.

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• Joe B says:

Nobody should escape.

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• rebate456 says:

Little Rocket Man? Why y’all lookin’ at me like that …

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• nats1mom says:

We will miss you…

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• Ackman419 says:

SD definitely is out on a limb, but any failure in his endeavor is enough to make you leave?
Might as well leave now.
But don’t forget to donate, as the info you’ve learned here is magnitudes greater than anything you could glean from anywhere else.
Safe travels, friend.

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• Linda K. says:

Cueball, Will you still vote for Trump or will you switch to Biden?

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• Cueball says:

Absolutely . The only Chance the US has to remain a livable place . I trace my family back to the 1720’s . And a relative was a Captain during the Revolutary War . Cowpens .

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• MelH says:

Cueball, is that a threat or a promise?

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• jean0404 says:

Get a Clueball…..
We shall schtruggle on without you.

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• pattykins says:

Hey Cueball. Get a cue. Sundance doesn’t answer to you or your demands. But do as you wish, this is America after all.

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• KIMBERLY K HUDSON says:

LOL! Sure-bert

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• Kirsty I says:

If I wanted to get the most dangerous people in the world that oppose the Democrats, I would create Q.
Armed, praying Christians are anathema to the Dems and their ilk. How can we round them up all in one place?
X22 has more than 800,000 followers and if he tells me one more time that we have to allow this anarchy and murder on our streets, because ‘optics’, I’ll scream.
One must assume the American public is monumentally ignorant and bovine stupid in order to not see what’s going on.
It certainly keeps us inert and calm in our own homes, when we could be rallying like the Germans did. 1.3 million of them, maskless and protesting the same.

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• tpwbama says:

Watched X22 until I realized controlled opposition……especially when he starting reading Q…..he did credit Sundance on occasion…but its all part of the scam. Every once in a while I would learn something of substance…..but he was always protecting the guilty like Graham……Thats when I got the picture. Makes one wonder about Hannity…no? or is he just clueless.

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6. OldSkool says:

The events, characters and timeline as laid out by SD makes sense and I would think would make the charge of Seditious Conspiracy applicable to all of them and then tack on the process crimes of lying to congress, or whatever, as applicable to the individuals as additional charges. However, I’m not optimistic about that given SD’s recent report from his field trip that most of whoever he was talking to had no idea of that big picture. Maybe John Durham will turn out to be our modern day Eliot Ness.
With the election 88 or so days away and Thune coming out with how mail in voting won’t be bad tells me that their final play is to make the results such an uncountable mess, which we know it will be, that the election will be determined by the congress and let’s all guess how that will turn out. Time for some divine intervention.

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• pawatcher says:

Thune’s seat should be so hot in 2021 that he can’t stay in it; out with all the swamp 2021!!

Elephants never forget.

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• rebate456 says:

The Almighty has been intervening . How else could Pres Trump have won? Especially now that we know the massive forces arrayed against him.

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• warrprin1 says:

OldSkool is the best school. THIS, ⬆️ – particularly paragraph 2. This makes sense in terms of what they think they can realistically pull off to get rid of our Lion.

The messiest of election results, brought to us by 50 state mail-in ballots, will keep the country reeling, and provide the sufficient window of time for them to play the final hand in the dirtiest of poker games. And they will make it all look legal.

Start pestering your State and Local Officials immediately. We may not be able to rid ourselves of this scheme to usurp our 2020 General Election, but we can make enough of a “protest” to turn up the heat uncomfortably under their seats.

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7. Mygreney Hyportnex says:

sundance wrote “…the special counsel was doing from May 2017 to April 2020…”; shouldn’t be April 2019?

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• PS says:

The whole point is it didn’t stop in April 2019. It wasn’t that long ago (Dec 2019) that the House tried Impeachment. April 2020 was when we were supposed to get Durham’s Grand Juries, were it not for Coronavirus closing all DC courts. All of it flows together.

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8. carpetrachea says:

For someone close to the President to command sufficient influence to act in the role suggested, that person would have to appear to be MAGA to the core. I have a feeling I won’t enjoy the reveal at all.

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• Sandalwood111 says:

Was quick to defend Pompeo after Bolton wrote in his recently published book that Pompeo wrote a note to him which disparaged the President. Am not sure about him at this point.

He was a very close advisor who met with the President, at one time, on a daily basis.

I feel bad for our beloved President Donald J. Trump. May God grant him the supernatural strength that he needs to contend with such treachery while he seeks the good for all of us.

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9. butch cassidy says:

It can’t be anyone with any political ambitions because this kind of thing would destroy that. You got to rule out his family, no way would any of them do that to him. You rule out Mitch, Trump never trusted him from the get go.Not sure who it is and it doesn’t necessarily mean this person is in Washington. Could be a private advisor.Either way this is one treasonous person.

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10. We have known for a long time now. Jared Kushner is/was the only mistake Trump made. CIA whistle blowers and FBI whistle blowers have stated this over and over and over again.

Now do you want to know about the big UGLY’s wife? She has regular dinners with the heads of GOOGLE TWITTER AND FACEBOOK. SHE IS THE REASON NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON BIG TECH.

I have followed this group called Sundance for a very long time now and hardly post. But for the love of God people start remembering things. Dan Bongino’s words of wisdom I swear by now. “Remember the Names” They keep coming up over and over again…..

And Sundance. I know its a group of 5 or 6 of you at least that is my best guess. You are starting to sound like QAnnon now, stop it. I understand the action you guys are taking. General Flynn advised the president as well as Manafort, Cohan, Alex Jones, Roger Stone and a few others. ALL HAVE EITHER BEEN ROLLED UP or Have current FBI cases against them. I understand why.

Sorry for my rant but enough is enough 😀

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• WhiteBoard says:

Jared is his grandson’s father. NO

Jared delivered letters to keep spying from happening. NO

Jared can be a guy offereing a progressive idea – which POTUS like opposing view to think.

But NO to Jared being the spy –

Sundance is POINTING TO THIS IS HOW DC WORKS. Jared isnt DC

SUNDANCE is pointing out to how the NSA database was used by the elected to control the elected. Jared isnt that -unless he had access to a contractor.

Sundance is pointing to A CONGRESS member or prior member, and he is narrowing it to someone CLOSE. and he is teasing this prior to 8/15 for a GOOD GOD DAMN REASON.

if this is TRUE.

His ASS if off the ticket, and this is SO DIRTY that Barr cant recover what comes. Its best Barr Arrests OBAMA than having it come out then us knowing _______ was part of this!

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• You are correct on somethings. Yes his grandson’s father. Jared is not a blood son though. He gave him what he wanted to give him. Yes he offers a progressive/differing view.

Some things you got wrong. Private contractors where the ones using the NSA data base. Assigned by the FBI…

As for Pence. Pence and Flynn were set up against each other. When you get down to the brass tax of what happened at that moment you need to ask yourself who do you remove? The VP of the United States or the NSA? Neither was in the wrong but actions were set up that 1 had to call the other a liar. My opinion on Pence.

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• WhiteBoard says:

okay. im listening.

Help me understand why Pence couldnt clarify between the campaign and the transition after election, when talking of russain contacts?

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• Joe B says:

JK would be a family backstabbing and it wouldn’t bring down DC, it would just have everybody laughing at Trump.

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• cattastrophe says:

The only criticism I’ve ever read about Jarod is from leftist or people who read and believe what leftist say or write. So except for his help with Israel and the peace plan (I read about) I have no idea what he does or says to the President.

Ivanka however is a liberal woman and I know that from what she supports. She hasn’t changed as I hoped she would but I think her advise is confined to those liberal things she thinks are important, family time off and Sweden kind of socialism stuff. I don’t think she’s a total Marxist kook. Only my opinion of course. My crystal ball has been on the blink for years.

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• amjean says:

I could name 20-30-40 people off the top of my head.

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• butch cassidy says:

Pretty ballsy post there mister, telling sundance what to do. As far as Kushner is concerned, you think he would betray/undercut his father in law, wife’s dad and grandfather to his kids? That would be the biggest back stabbings ever.

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• Linda K. says:

Jared would lose Ivanka. She converted to Judaism for him but I am sure she would protect her dad.

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• lulubelle5621 says:

I’m not too sure she would. Isn’t she a demoncrat now? I have never trusted Jared and Ivanka.

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• lulubelle5621 says:

Edit to add that hasn’t she pushed her father to go more left in some of his decisions? At least that has been my impression.

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• cattastrophe says:

Yes, on a least one of her pet projects. Paid leave for parents but it only applies to government workers for now.

From what I’ve seen and read about what President Trump has done (which I follow closely and in his own words and actions not just how it’s reported by others) I don’t see any leftward lean on anything else.

He threw her a win on that to keep her happy. I still didn’t care for it myself because that kind of socialist #%&@ spreads like wildfire.

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• Sorry I hate reading qannon fables and thats what it feels like im doing now. I know it was disrespectful but its the truth from my point of view. And to answer your question. YES I do. Look into his family’s history.

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• jazzbogie says:

The truth is the truth, there isn’t a truth “from my point of view” as you said. You sound like a progressive.

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• somebodysgramma says:

Sorry Nope. And I’m sick of people attacking Jared.

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• jazzbogie says:

Sorry then, but I think it is Jared Kushner. He fits the requirement of being “very close” to POTUS. And, of course, POTUS is more likely to cut him slack where he shouldn’t. Remember Kushner purchased the 666 Building in New York City. He has been advising Trump. He is progressive. You give no reasons or facts, just emotions in your “sick of people attacking Jared”.

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• doyouseemyvision says:

Not Jared. Gingrich, Christie, Priebus, McConnell, Graham, etc.

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OK, so granted this is an incredible campaign process for both candidates. Still, Mike Pence is conspicuously absent from any sort of campaigning activity.

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• realeyecandy1 says:

but he has been campaigning … he’s out a lot. You can check Trumps page and see events and MANY Pence events are OVER before we find out about them

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• WhiteBoard says:

defending him? tell us some positive things about him. Im open.

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• realeyecandy1 says:

I just told you he’s out campaigning. It’s not Pence, I’d bet my own life on it. He has defended the POTUS from day one. He could have stepped aside after the “Billy Bush” stuff and he didn’t.

IMHO he has done a good job on the virus Fauci is NOT an employee of the POTUS but he has been there for ages. Who ELSE would Pence have gone too with a new virus out there just out of the blue???

You notice that Birx nor Fauci is on tv much lately …they are being canned. Birx is out giving advice to hot spots …my own state of WV has some hot spots and her advice has been common sense. She hasn’t advocated that the country be shut down again …she is even stating schools should open and so is Fauci

and NOW even SHUMER and Pelosi says school has to be open….

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• Linda K. says:

Pence got Flynn fired.

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• The Boss says:

Pence and Trump were rolled by the likes of Sally Yates and Mary McCord, and their media lackeys, about Flynn. That’s another ugly truth.

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• rayvandune says:

Yes, Trump got rolled by the experts in dirty tricks. And as a bonus, they got rid of the one guy that could have helped Trump fight them the best! It’s a wonder PDJT has survived!

Ps. I have always been surprised that Sally Yates was dumb enough to come out against PDJT’s travel bans right up front, and when he hardly had his feet under the desk. She would have been a great asset for the plotters, but she did a kamikaze flight too soon.

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• D Lloyd says:

Another thing to keep in mind re: Pence, is that it is his *job* to be what he is- Mr. steady, Mr. calm, the unwavering steadfast #2 in contrast to Trump’s perceived volatility (I say perceived because of course Trump is quite calm and calculating). But you are generally not going to see him going off or being loud etc. But he has been very consistent in his defense of Trump and his policies. I think Pence is the real deal and I do not think Trump could have made so grave an error in his VP choice.

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• Skidroe says:

Mister Charles everyone is untitled to their opinion so here is mine, take a HIKE!

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• WhiteBoard says:

I think Pence got caught. And every positive thing you think about him came after his ass was given new instructions by POTUS.

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• cattastrophe says:

Many of these people aren’t on Facebook. They think it’s about personal garbage only. President Trump official White House page has where he travels, speeches at those places, who he has to the White House with videos, press interviews on his way to and from places, etc. There are also several different shows with guests, run by others very prominent daily. VP Pence’s travels and speeches are on there also. He’s very active.

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• tpwbama says:

Somebody mentioned…I wish I could remember…..since PT can’t do rallies wouldn’t it be great to have filmed up close his daily routine in the white house …watching in real time….even flying on air force one. A personal glimpse of the Man and the office of the Presidency. What an audience that would draw.

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12. kleen says:

Someone close to him since campaign. Many appointments were decided/talked about prior to taking office.

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13. Phil Free says:

Panic in D.C. It’s happening . . 👀

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• kleen says:

Panic with capital I, in the Nation’s capital?

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14. WhiteBoard says:

I re-read the last line of the article.

I agree.

The True Story of why Flynn said he lied , regarding Pence… Need to be told in public. It’s been ambiguous when it didnt have to be, which makes it suspect.

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• brutalus2 says:

I still have a hard time believing Trump would just fire Flynn just because Pence told him to…

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• brutalist- I thought Flynn resigned, no?

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• brutalus2 says:

Not sure exactly how it went down, but why would Trump accept if Flynn is this pivotal “Stonewall Jackson” figure who knew where all the Obama bodies are buried…especially under such Flimsy allegations (that Flynn talked to the Russian about sanctions)….from my understanding Pence was blindsided on a talk show about it and then supposedly Flynn lied to Pence about it (but seeing the actual transcript you can see where Flynn cam honestly say he didn’t talk about sanctions in his own mind)….which leads to the question: why was Pence so hairtriggered to put Flynn on the spot? Personal pride? For getting caught short on a talk show?…that doesn’t really make much sense to me…and it makes less sense that Trump would go along with it…the whole thing has always just seemed very fishy to me…either there was a deeper ropa dope reason for hanging Flynn out there, or the Occam razor explanation that Pence had a vested interest in getting rid of Flynn and/or working with FBI and DOJ in their “what is our” goal here to get Flynn fired

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• brutalus- I guess we will just have to wait to find out who the villains are.

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• regitiger says:

consider this..

pence is dumber than a brick

brought in ONLY to collect the evangelical vote..and THAT worked.

flynn does not lie to pence…

flynn tells pence to take a flying leap…i work for THE PRESIDENT so shove it.

pence makes a fool of himself…on purpose

then with the COMBINED effort of fbi and pence and the media that helped create this entire ruse “lied to pence”…this places an impossible situation before trump:

how can i keep flynn with this cloud hanging…he is after all the NSadvisor!

so you have two choice to make and neither are good…

1. you defend flynn and never waver that support but at the same time you are essentially calling your vice president a flat out liar too…the press would have a field day with that…the one guy who helped get you elected and you named your vicd and you not only do not trust him but you publicly humiliate him for creating a lie…spoiler: in hindsight it’s clear that was the way to handle this given the fallout from the flynn case that sprawled all over this administration…and kept pence in a power leverage situation he really does not deserve.

2. or, you make the decision of the lessor of the two evils…it’s hard for us out here to imagine but a president in his early HOURS of a brand new administration has to be thinking about how to remove obstacles and start making things happen…keeping flynn on the team would probably not be wise…it might even be impossible for him to actually do his job and have access as long as this investigation slash dot manufactured scandal is going to be bashed around…

its IS VERY FRUSTRATING then and NOW.

i blame pence directly for creating an unforced error….not only should he have been more informed and reserved about what he would say on national tv…but also having a backbone to take some gd responsibility and carrying a sack…had pence made a better showing, things could have been much better for this president in his decision making.

and yes, sundance, facts will prove mike pence is the dirt bag.

we will deal with him directly…promptly.

you keep moving mountains brother!

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• lokiscout says:

He did but that doesn’t fit the narrative today.

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15. barnabusduke says:

Lot’s of interlopers poppin’ their heads out of the hole on here today! Here’s an idea, start your own blog and you can make all the rules you want! Then we’ll come visit YOUR blog and be as dis-respectful of you, as you are being to Sundance! Now…gently… BUZZ OFF and get happy!

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• delighteddeplorable says:

Their concerns are…..duly noted. 😎

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16. delighteddeplorable says:

News conference finally starting….

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17. Charlie says:

Kelley Anne Conway

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• realeyecandy1 says:

YEP …

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• Charlie says:

Sociopath!
Husband has no regard for Kelley Anne, she is an abusive marriage with POTUS’ empathy. Damsel in destress.
The Trump family ALL have her involved in their duties. Melania has her by her side at different task force meetings, Ivanka travels with her and she is involved in many business round tables.
The use of “poor little Kelley Anne” is good cover for “the snake”.

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I suppose there’s a chance you’re right, I don’t see it though. I don’t take seriously when someone blames a person because of their spouse’s actions, and that seems like what you’re doing. I went through that in my life. My wife was accused of doing something against someone and I was accused of being part of it. The end result was I lost a job. Later it was proven not only did she not do what she was accused of, but it became crystal clear I had nothing to do with it. I didn’t get the job back (not that I wanted it by then) but the damage was done. I will judge Kelly Anne by Kelly Anne’s actions, not by what her husband does or says.

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• Charlie says:

This attack from within is about America, these people are playing for the big prize, American tax payers money, trillions. The perfect cover “abused spouse”, an easy empathy play. All speculation, she has access to All Trump’s inner circle, a silent advisor to many.

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• jazzbogie says:

Reminds me of the old movie, ” All About Eve”. It is emblematic of a sociopath to employ the “pity me” sympathy ploy. I am beginning to think it is Kelly Anne. I always struggled with why she would stay married to her lefty husband under the facts as we knew them.
(Of course, I am not meaning to imply anything about your personal situation which sounds awful but unrelated.)

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• amjean says:

Perhaps she doesn’t want to lose her children in a custody battle.

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• lokiscout says:

Let’s see: She is his campaign manager and gets him elected and then (or while campaigning even) she undermines him by giving him bad skinny on who to appoint? And I suppose tries to get him impeached or otherwise thrown out of office so………Mike Pence can be president? Hmmmmm You sure about that? Maybe she wanted both Trump and Pence both out so Nancy could be president.

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• Charlie says:

Laughing – that’s the ticket! Now you’re thinking outside the box.

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18. goddessoftheclassroom says:

Press conferences starting now

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• All Too Much says:

POTUS is doing Godfather today.
Killing the Democrats.

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• Patriarch says:

POTUS Trumped mitch & pelosi.
Game set match

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19. gsonFIT says:

Trumps is going to take their money!!!

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20. gsonFIT says:
• gsonFIT says:

Look who was the Master of Ceremonies at this event (3rd paragraph)

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• PaulCohen says:

yup, and look at how Admiral Rogers praises General Flynn to the sky, in both personal and professional terms, with a particular emphasis on his (Rogers’) debt to Flynn’s leadership and influence. That does not prove there could not be a betrayal, but Rogers seems to me about the last place to look for a weakness in the Trump/MAGA team….

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• PaulCohen says:

oh I meant to cue it to 8:30 for anyone who wants just the most informative excerpt, Rogers praising Flynn…..

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• gsonFIT says:

I didn’t post this thinking he was the informant. I was watching the President hoping the big ugly was happening today. I wonder if Flynn hasn’t been a Brubaker this whole time. Hard to recall all the things that might prove or disprove so I was opening up to group

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21. Patriarch says:

Easy peasy…
My years of wisdom has concluded:

It’s Col. Mustard in the Private Dining Room off the Oval with a rope and a Revolver.

Case closed…

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No candle stick?

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• lokiscout says:

Bye the bye, makes as much since as most of the posts here today. Feels like Breitbart over here today.

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22. rayvandune says:

“For God’s sake, turn around…”

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23. Siege Perilous says:

Well two things from that, they are close, either physically, temporally or genetically and it is ugly so thatd be trusted authority, friend or relative.

Id add perhaps either totally narrative anonymous in effect or constantly attacked as camouflage.

With finally, it has to be a trained lawyer does it not? I mean all of them near enough are trained lawyers are they not even if they are or where not at the time working as one, it is practically their calling card.

Possibly that is all a Kaiser Sosa though.

So it is whoever matches that description because i do not know 🙂

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• brutalus2 says:

Maybe it’s Kobayachi

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• Siege Perilous says:

Good point…

So by my estimate that narrows it to Pence or whichever Trump is a trained lawyer as Kaiser Sosa and/or Trump/Whitehouse lawyer or Kelly Anne Conway ( definitely in an unwinnable situation and would drag in idea of spouses being tacit or otherwise culprits ), as Mr K.

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• brutalus2 says:

Don McGaun strikes me as a likely Kobayachi figure

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• Siege Perilous says:

Possibly and the dude below makes a good case for Pompeo, I just think his ambition makes him too obvious a choice and that he is definitely being positioned as Trump`s experience candidate inheritor by the machine.

My money is on a spouse, headline reading ” Is no bond sacred “, then that will expose very loudly just how many immediate connections to the players involved are present, literally everywhere…

It is the main form of camouflage and means of communication and co-ordination the machine uses, with spousal confidentiality added as a side bonus as a firewall of last resort.

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• tpwbama says:

OK I have decided that I can’t keep up with the smart book worms…..You have to give us dummies a clue every now and then…..

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24. Newhere says:

Think in through systematically, by process of elimination, and there are few possibilities. Maybe even just one, at least that the public would be aware of.

We’re talking about an inside mole/coordinator of an inter-agency, transnational coup operation. What would be required to execute the role?

1. Trust of the President
2. Appropriate Beltway and geopolitical knowledge/established connections
3. Consistent access to sensitive information flows across agencies and international offices at a granular level

Only a family member would have DJT’s implicit trust. Sure he may follow bad advice from Kushner — but Kushner doesn’t have the level and sophistication of Beltway knowledge to be the authoritative voice on high-level/intelligence dynamics and maneuvers. Trump likely can’t even talk to most of the family about the most sensitive info, because of classifications and compartmentalization of information. He may welcome their perspective, but by necessity it would be limited. Remember, Trump holds a Constitutional public office; he can’t confide in just anyone (which I think eliminates not just family but someone like Kelly-Ann Conway … not a serious possibility).

This has to be a person with the highest clearances, and a *reason* to be read-in on the big picture, in order to advise on the most sensitive aspects. A person with historical and real-time connections to key players and agencies in the coup operation, i.e., DOJ/FBI, Intelligence, State Dept., Congressional leadership.

Outside family, trust is likely going to be issue-specific and limited. Trump knows he’s targeted. He also doesn’t suffer fools. He’s going to trust the person with the best knowledge and instincts on a given topic who is able to comport themselves as the real deal — someone not talking hot air or speculation, someone who knows their crap and says the truth. Prototype here is Peter Navarro (as in, a GOOD example, not the likely mole). Which means, the inside mole is someone well-enough connected to the swamp to convey accurately how it works, in a position of need-to-know so they have all the relevant information.

For the role SD is talking about, this would have to be someone with deep swamp history, and someone holding positions to know precisely what is still going on. Otherwise, Trump would not fully rely on the advice. Which makes some sort of roving “senior advisor” unlikely; they simply would not have access to the granular information. It has to be someone skilled enough to be 95% MAGA — a genuine team player — but not so disingenuous to be an obvious sycophant. Otherwise, Trump would smell the BS.

It’s not McConnell. Trump doesn’t trust McConnell. He respects his power, and recognizes certain, limited areas of mutual purpose. That’s it. He listens to McConnell where he has to, or where it’s strategically beneficial.

There are two individuals who’ve held inner-circle positions from the beginning who plausibly would have the requisite access to flows of information; connections to agencies and political players; and the the trust of the President: Pompeo and Pence.

I doubt it’s Pence. First, he doesn’t have the same immediate, access to granular inner-agency maneuvers as Pompeo. Second, it doesn’t make sense structurally — if you’re going to try to execute a stealth operation on President Donald J. Trump, you don’t do it from the position of his number 2, whom Trump will naturally view and treat as a position of subservience and with some healthy skepticism.

Pompeo actually makes perfect sense. He’s got all the bona fides: former congressional rep who’s been with Trump from the start, first as head of CIA and now as head of State. He’d naturally be a central, enabling figure in all of Trump’s machinations vis a vis coup operations. He’d be both feeding him information and advising on dynamics. He wouldn’t have to visibly assert himself; it’s baked into his position.

Pompeo could have gained some immediate credibility with Trump based on his incisive critique of the Iran deal when he was a Congressional Rep during Obama. As a rep, Pompeo wrote a scathing letter to the Obama administration exposing some of the more egregious aspects of the deal — at a time even other congressional opponents weren’t as adept and specific.

He managed to move from head of CIA to State without massive smear operations and hang-ups from the swamp. They’ve largely left him alone, even as he’s consistently held two of the most important command posts vis a vis coup operations. Pompeo has been integral to MAGA geopolitics, even as he remains essentially a neocon.

Remember, this isn’t going to be anyone we easily suspect, based on their outward posture. That’s the whole point.

Sadly, my money’s on Pompeo — unless it’s someone invisible to the public.

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• delighteddeplorable says:

Sadly is right, New. You present a compelling case against Pompeo but man, I hate that. We shall see but the reveal, whenever it happens, will be tragic in many ways, if it’s him.

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• trumpetter says:

Didn’t Sundance say that person was in position until April 2020? Or at least wprds to that effect.

I was wondering about Mick Mulvaney, who left in April 2020. I don’t know how much access ge had but it’s just a shot in the dark. Wouldn’t he be somewhat close to chief of staff?

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• jazzbogie says:

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• cjzak says:

Now that was a good analysis and conclusion. You make a good argument for Pompeo being the one SD is hinting at. We shall see soon enough I think. Good work.

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25. Yomin! says:

Knows NY/DC. Hmmm. It sure seems a certain radio/FOX personality has the president’s unwavering trust. And is hated by the left so much, if he was a mole it would shake the foundations bigly. I would be beyond shocked but that would be a bombshell.

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• BestBets says:

That occurred to me as well, but I don’t think the person to whom you refer has the brains to carry it off.

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Doesn’t have to be anyone in government…could be a person outside. Who would make Brutus look honorable?

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• MelH says:

Steve Bannon? Hope Hicks?

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• Missy says:

Not Bannon. Completely MAGA, AND I don’t think that he has the connections. Too disruptive.

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27. JC says:

I think I have an idea what “type” of person it can be.
Kellyanne Conway comes to mind. Someone at the meetings, someone at the events, someone that seems benign, and not a major player. It’s a person well liked, and on the periphery. Maybe it’s my guess, and maybe not. But that’s a good place to start.

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• Yy4u says:

Kellyanne is one of the reasons Trump is president. Ahe could have sabotaged him jn the election, giving Hillary the presidency and saved herself a lot of trouble. Not her

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• lokiscout says:

Yes! Finally thank you!
“Kellyanne Conway…….not a major player……..on the periphery.”
She was only Candidate Trumps CAMPAIGN MANAGER down the home stretch before the election.

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28. islandpalmtrees says:

What is the President Expecting?

President Trump
“I Have a Lot of Enemies…This May Be the Last Time You’ll See Me for a While”

Only the role of president is filled via the presidential line of succession — an ordered list of constitutionally mandated replacements to the presidency, should a vacancy develop.

The 25th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1967, stipulates that a new vice president is chosen by the new president, and that this person takes office following confirmation by both houses of Congress:

Assume that President Donald Trump is impeached and removed from office. At that point, Mike Pence would become president.

The position of vice president would remain vacant until Congress confirmed a replacement, nominated by the president.

Pelosi Declares, ‘One Way or Another,’ Trump Will Not Be President in Ten Months.

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29. Elle says:

“ Mr. McGahn disagreed with the president’s case and told senior White House officials that firing Mr. Mueller would have a catastrophic effect on Mr. Trump’s presidency. Mr. McGahn also told White House officials that Mr. Trump would not follow through on the dismissal on his own. The president then backed off.”
He threatened to quit…

“Mr. McGahn, a longtime Republican campaign finance lawyer in Washington who served on the Federal Election Commission, was the top lawyer on Mr. Trump’s campaign. He has been involved in nearly every key decision Mr. Trump has made” ..including the firing“

More incriminating evidence in the long article.

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• realeyecandy1 says:

AND Suddenly McGahn’s information has to be released to the congress … things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmm

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• Yy4u says:

NYT!?! Why believe anything in that rag?

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• Elle- you make a good case.

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• rayvandune says:

My recollection is that McGahn had been led to believe via leaks that the SC had found no collusion (true) and would therefore be wrapping up the investigation soon (false!). Thus his reluctance to complain to Rosenstein about Mueller’s conflict of interest, which is what Trump wanted him to do.

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30. atomichillbilly says:

Surely they all realize by now that things will never be allowed to go back to the way they had it rigged before Trump, and the only way to avoid being lynched by an angry mob is to let the wheels of justice grind them into prison instead…

They probably desperately hoping that a chaotic and rigged election gets rid of Trump, and grasping for ways to escape the reckoning that’s barreling towards them like a runaway freight train….

They’re probably hoping to stall for time in hopes of escaping with their plunder intact, and still don’t care how much the country is damaged.

They’re all a bunch of megalomaniac control freaks who can’t even control themselves.

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31. All Too Much says:

Trump signing E.O. , right now at press conference, on stimulus bill.
Bypassing Pelosi and Schumer.

OT, I know.

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32. tuebor says:

It’s Rod Rosenstein.

He advised the president not to declassify. He recommended Mueller. Barr made sure to get him out of the DOJ unscathed.

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• tuebor- I seriously doubt President Trump ever really trusted Rosen Rat.

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• Jenevive says:

If it is Mike Pence he deserves an academy award for his “golly gee, aw shucks” persona.
I hate that I now give Pence side eye at times wondering. but then I thought highly of John kelly till we saw how that turned out. remember the interview with FLOTUS where she said there were still people in his administration she didn.t trust.

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• MVW says:

Jenevive,
You cut right to it. Pence comes across as a bit of Gomer Pyle, never distrusted a politician in his life, sees the best in every snake. And Trump telling him to not trust Governor Inslee.

I am sorry, for me it has to be Academy Award time. It does not make him a mole though, just a politician.

FLOTUS is another sharp as a tack angel. Third time for Trump is a charm. A woman’s intuition can’t be undone.

No. I will put aside my bias against Pols like Pence and go with whom others point to, the lawyer….

Don McGahn who was in the thick of critical decisions.

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Pence had some REAL interesting facial expressions, body
language early on in all this. Always caught on camera in
when adjacent to Trump. . Remains to be seen.

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• cjzak says:

Yeah, no. Rosenstein was never whispering in PTrump’s ear. I don’t think PTrump trusted Rosenstein at all. Too much swirling around him via Sessions and the recusal fiasco that would make PTrump pretty wary of this guy. Just don’t see him as a possible candidate for the whisperer.

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33. Ackman419 says:

Just a rough ranked estimate by posters choices:
Pompeo
Turtle
Kelly
Conway
Pence

I’d bet the field, as all of those are too obvious and front of mind.

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• Meir Braunstein says:

Chris Christie.

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• Meir Braunstein says:

Chris Christie should be listed….

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• GrantLR says:

Chris Christie should be listed….

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• GrantLR says:

Chris Christie should be listed….

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• Feel the same but the turtle is still in the running.

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• BitterC says:

I’ll throw a name out I haven’t seen….Newt Gingrich

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34. Just Lily says:

My money is on John Roberts.

He let the FISA Court lie and deceive, etc. If the judiciary was colluding with the executive branch and the legislative branch to remove a duly elected president, it WOULD be the end of the country as we know it.

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• brutalus2 says:

How would John Roberts be a trusted confidante of Trump?

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• PaulCohen says:

CJ John Roberts is a huge problem, but he would not be the one described, centrally advising on key intel and admin. appointments. No reason to think Trump consults Roberts much at all, or to think Roberts has ever pretended to be real MAGA.

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• Linda K. says:

Ha! Lindsey Graham!

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35. jbismay says:

Apparently, only Sundance knows – many think they know, but only SD knows.

I am happy to wait and see. I really want to find out the name of the perp, and I’m sure it will be worth the wait.

If it’s worthwhile, it’s worthwhile waiting for.

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• rayvandune says:

The Secret Sits

We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.

Robert Frost

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• regitiger says:

bravo…one of my all time fav

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36. ReglarMerican says:

8/15 may become a day we all know where we were when “it” happened, like 9/11.
One other thought.
AG Barr stopped to chat with a “Blue Lives Matter” small demonstration and that video was put on the web.
So AG Barr sent a message, publicly siding with rank & file cops.
I wonder if he will take action before 8/15? The ball is in Barr’s court . . .

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37. RJ says:

I have never felt good about Pence. Too rigid a person, from his combed hair, his proper suits, his speech cadence, his holier than thou stances…yet, I also don’t trust Miss Lindsey. In the back corner lurks Colin Powell. I just don’t know and my guesses are worthless.

However, I do suspect our Sundance has found someone inside that special counsel group who is providing inside information. No matter, Sundance has me coming to this site every day and so far he has been over the target more than anyone else who professes to know what’s what!

I don’t like the way Miss Lindsey led Sally Yates through her testimony. Back me into a corner, tell me I have to pick someone or else Nancy Pelosi will use me as her pleasure doll…

I will go with Miss Lindsey…Nancy totally disgusts me!

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38. tax2much says:

Jeff Sessions was Fredo.

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39. Carrie says:

There seems to be a lot of new posters with all sorts of suggestions. Huh.

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• delighteddeplorable says:

Well, go figure. 😉👌

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• Newhere says:

They wouldn’t be truly new, because CTH raised the drawbridge on new entrants a couple weeks ago.

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40. Linda K. says:

Pence has no expression in his face, like a robot.

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41. jimmy matho says:

from transgressions this great,…….the Tree of liberty will need to be watered , WELL, by not only us Patriots, but also lots and lots of seditious traitors.
This can not be ignored
There is no living side by side with these demons.

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42. Cueball says:

Sensitive folks here .

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• Ackman419 says:

It’s a sensitive subject.
Don’t play dumb,

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• brutalus2 says:

It’s generally a poor policy to throw down ultimatums down on people about leaving if you dont get your way…unless you really really want to know just how relevant or unpopular you are

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43. libswatterlover says:

Lindsey Graham

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44. Marygrace Powers says:

Important Discussion – Col Douglas Macgregor Has Suspicions About Pompeo, Esper and Milley/

Posted on December 30, 2019 by sundance

‘Well, well, well…. we are not alone in our suspicions of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley.

Tonight Col Douglas Macgregor outlines his own suspicions about the U.S. military attack in Iraq and Syria that parallel our initial gut reaction. Macgregor states his belief that President Trump is being “skillfully misinformed”. WATCH:”

Important Discussion – Col Douglas Macgregor Has …
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/30/important-discussion-col-douglas

Webb wondered if that award gathering was really a cover for calling in Pompeo to make sure he’s still “with Kissinger et al and their plans.” (Kissinger being a deep, deep cabal master.) Webb has been right on so many occasions that I have to give his thoughts serious consideration.

Important Discussion – Col Douglas Macgregor Has …
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/30/important-discussion-col-douglas..
.
George Webb with his diehard investigative research has had serious misgivings about Pompeo. One that really bothered me was Pompeo’s recent invitation to receive an award from Henry Kissinger. Webb wondered if that award gathering was really a cover for calling in Pompeo to make sure he’s still “with Kissinger et al and their plans …

REMEMBER – the above by sundance.

Investigative researcher George Webb commented
on the CTH/sd post above, and definitely had suspicions
regarding Pompeo. All Webb’s youtube etc has been
scrubbed. Two above comments were all I could find
in the search engines regarding same.

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• Marygrace Powers says:

Above Col Douglas Macgregor interview.

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45. Jim in TN says:

Presidents are responsible for filling thousands of positions. Most of the important positions require Senate confirmation. Over 1000 require Senate confirmation. (NSA, Chief of Staff, don’t need confirmation.)

This is not something that one man is capable of doing. To that end a transition team is stood up prior to the election. Trump’s was lead by Christie. But Christie was taken out right after the election by bridgegate. And Pence was given charge of the transition team.

Priebus had been a big help in the election and had serious input. There will be many others who had serious input.

But failure to consult with the Senate would doom any transition. Be sure that most Senators would be consulted, especially since blue slips were treated as vetoes. But the leadership and the chairs of the approving committees would have serious influence. Especially since they are of the same party.

But we do know that the end process provided too many betrayors. And hiring the betrayors did not stop with the transition. Probably way too many influencers putting forth bad choices.

Finally, where are you going to get 4500 people to serve in those positions? It would be really hard trying to avoid hiring the establishment to run the government. Even if you reached deeply into all the state governments, you would just be picking more establishment characters. Yep, our capital swamp has fifty feeder swamps.

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46. slopoke1 says:
47. SallyMAy says:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/07/kanye-west-falls-1300-signatures-short-of-making-illinois-2020-election-ballot/

So they are saying Kanye fell short of the signature count of 2500, but he submitted over 3000 signatures in Illinois.

Guess who Sean tanner whom disputed Kanye’s signatures works for???? Non other that the Obama Foundation OFA….. When are we gonna stop this Organized Crime Family?

I hope Kanye resolves these issues legally.

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• BitterC says:

Obama wiped out his Democrat competition for State Senate by successfully challenging the signatures as I recall…

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48. ziegler von strahn says:

Reince Priebus.
First Chief of Staff.
Former Head of the Republican National Committee. 2011-2017

He’s deep in the game. He would be the one to whisper in Trumps ear about …this is the guy best suited there…..Remember, The GOP was not on the side of Trump. Pence, I think; wasnt in on it, they wanted someone clean in the VP spot to step in when they removed Trump.

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• TarsTarkas says:

As I recall Andrew McCabe delibately misled Priebus about something to make him look bad. Why would you do that to an ally. Of course, that could have happened if they weren’t working on the same team.

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49. dufrst says:

Reince Priebus was chief of staff at the time. It doesn’t get more establishment than that. A big mistake by Trump, since Reince actively worked to stop Trump in the primaries along with Paul Ryan. Reince would have had a say in all personnel moves and was very close to Paul Ryan, who we all know hates Trump.

Another suspected person is Chris Chrispy Chreme Christie. He was in charge of the transition period from my recollection. He had early influence on personnel matters. Don’t forget that Christopher Wray is a Chris Christie special and still actively undermining Trump to this day in not releasing key information to exonerate Flynn.

With all that being said, I will continue to say that all roads lead to China. The biggest reason Trump was the big threat to the Swamp is principally his stance on globalism. Globalism simply means a China centric world. The power centers of our country sold out to China. They sold themselves to the ChiComs on the proposition that China’s market would be opened to them if they assisted China’s rise to superpower status. With 1.3 billion people, China has 4 times as many people as the US. To the power centers such as Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, K Street, Detroit (autos), etc, in our country, this represented multiple times the amount of wealth they accumulated in our country. China would not only make them rich in the transition to superpower status in our country, but after that status was achieved.

This was a consensus view between both political parties, which Sundance calls the UniParty. All of the candidates for president over the past 20 years were in agreement on globalism from the time China was allowed to enter the WTO by Bill Clinton. Bush supported it, then Obama, and of course Hillary supported. And when you look at those who challenged them for high office such as Gore, Kerry, McCain, and Romney, none of them had a different view.

So in Trump you had the first real threat to that consensus because Trump was an outsider. The UniParty didn’t select him nor was he a prior member of the club. He ran on straightening out trade and not only stated it but was able to articulate the numbers. He ran against offshoring and he ran on renegotiating trade deals, all of which serve to benefit China (recall NAFTA loophole). Since assuming office, Trump has undertaken his agenda. He renegotiated NAFTA by elevating Mexico (brilliant negotiation). Then he went after China directly and achieve China Phase 1 trade deal. The Mueller investigation, impeachment and now the China virus were all major debris placed along the road by the UniParty and China to prevent Trump from fulfilling his agenda. China purposely unleashed the virus on the world in order to keep from negotiating Phase 2. And now, to no one’s surprise, they are actively trying to stop the reelection of Donald Trump according to US intelligence.

If Biden wins, China 2025 plan goes into full steam ahead with the full backing of the UniParty. China will dominate and the US as we know it today will merely be a vassal state in the New China world order. One Belt, One Road (OBOR), the Shanghai Cooperative Organization, and China’s Infrastructure bank are all organizations that China intends to use to supplant the US all around the world. Not to mention, China’s extraterritorial ambitions in South China Sea and beyond (can you believe China considers themselves an Arctic power?).

Only Donald J. Trump understood he needed to dismantle everything that was powering China’s rise. From NAFTA, to WTO, to addressing Hong Kong, establishing a relationship with North Korea, promoting energy independence in fossil fuels (sustainable energy like wind and solar is actually dominated by China) and slapping sanctions on aluminum and steel. Everything Trump has done and will do, will determine the global order in the 21st century. He must win this election to finish the job. MAGA!

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50. slopoke1 says:

Could the traitor i\be the same person who told Trump to pick Manafort?

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• kimosaabe says:

Manafort did not work against Trump. He was brought on later in the campaign to squelch/manage the rebellion by the Never Trumpers to deny Trump the nomination he had clearly won.

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• Missy says:

He was recommended by Roger Stone, and was there to manage/guide the delegate battle for the nomination. He left shortly thereafter.

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