April 4th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1171

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887 Responses to April 4th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1171

  1. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  2. Bogeyfree says:

    So looking at covid19 tracking site these are the current stats for NY

    https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york

    Notice that N.Y. the state has a total of 3,731 people in ICU. (Separate but included in total Hospitalizations)

    PT tweeted that the Federal Government has sent 4,400 ventilators.

    So in essence there is a ventilator for EVERY patient in ICU and I would assume it is only the ICU patients that would be or need a respirator.

    And remember the 4,400 ventilators PT sent DOES NOT include any ventilators that the state of N.Y. may have had in stock or ordered themselves.

    So unless people who are just hospitalized and not in ICU need ventilators, then maybe there is a lot of screaming for maybe nothing?

    How does that saying go………

    Figures don’t lie but liars do figure.

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    • Charles Darwin says:

      Cuomo’s ventilator hoarding is based on the Fauci/Birx model which predicts there should be 12,000 people in ICUs as of today. The model prediction is 300% high…

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      • vikingmom says:

        The IHME models do not appear to have been updated since April1st, which is very interesting to me. The estimates here in Washington State still project our “peak” day to be April 11th and estimate that we will have 22 deaths that day and exceed our ICU bed capacity, which they list as 341 for the entire state.

        However, I have found other information online that indicates King County alone, where Seattle (and ironically IHME) is located, has 450 ICU beds and that there are somewhere close to 1000 statewide. Also flu deaths in Washington State are normally between 700-1000 every year but the Department of Health is only showing 91 so far this season, which started in October! And coincidentally, IHME is currently projecting a total of 978 COVID-19 deaths in our state through August 4th…more numbers that make me go “hmmmm”!

        Cue the suspicious cat picture, please!!

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        • Robert Smith says:

          Ahh, so take something we don’t care and notice and relabel it it XXXX-Corona-virus-killer stalking your neighborhood.

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        • gda53 says:

          Website says “Please check back Saturday, Apr 4 for our next update”

          Been refreshing hourly but no change yet.

          To have ANY credibility they had better do it before the 3.30 News Conference.

          BIG changes needed.

          Granted we are 5 days from “peak” in NY, but the over-estimation of Hospital Resource Use so far is looking like a frightened guesstimate, NOT a carefully modelled estimate.

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          • vikingmom says:

            I noticed something interesting while looking at the IHME website for Washington -they list the total number of ICU beds in the state at 341 and predict we will be above capacity on April 11th, when we will need 350.

            However, according to a study done by Kaiser Health on March 30th, Washington State actually has 711 ICU beds in the Puget Sound Area alone, and close to 1000 when the rest of the state is included. I thought it might be an anomaly so I looked at the numbers for Oregon…IHME says there are 210 ICU beds available in the state but they will not max out because they will only need 167 on their “peak” date of May 5th. However when I look at the Kaiser map, I count 446 ICU beds in Oregon, more than double the number IHME lists and three times more than they will presumably need if all projections hold true.

            Isn’t that the whole reason we are all being told to stay home? That our health care system cannot handle any more patients than are currently projected with the lockdown criteria?

            Here are the links to the IHME website and to the Kaiser story – I am going to start doing some digging to see if discrepancies like this are true in other states as well and would encourage all Treepers to do the same!

            https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

            https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus-spreads-widely-millions-of-older-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/?fbclid=IwAR1f0t-VK25duY7LoqyWgjP3FbGmDomHw8_4sjiQdzynqtUM-8vMVfpky6c

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            • viking mom- thanks very much for your research!

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            • susanswa says:

              It could be that those beds and all of the thousands of ventilators are going to be used for new people who may have a hard time breathing due to their living in tunnels and coming to the surface. Let’s see what happens this week 🤔
              There were over 800,000 missing children last year ONLY in the United States 😢

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            • Pale rider says:

              Think about this also while looking at the whole picture: Do people realize they are trying desperately to go to a cashless society, and why that is? You can only track and control cashless. Cash at a certain point becomes untraceable.
              So, you want a haircut, as I just did, you either pay cash or do it yourself because they dictate when and who gets and gives haircuts. Or pay cash.
              You want a car from an individual and wish to pay cash? Nope, check or route the money. Guns, food, anything off grid (sorry I know sounds tin foil hat with those words) but it’s here folks.
              Either we are at the precipice of the abyss or this is a test. Stores do not want cash it’s contaminated, which is bull poop.its always been contaminated.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Your cat can be suspiscious, all
          it wants,….
          Its “Heads I WIN, Tails you lose!”;

          “BUT Dr., your models projected WAY more deaths and hospitalisations, than we ended up actually HAVING!”

          “SEE, our mitigation efforts WORKED!”

          So, bringing in ANOTHER animal, your beating a dead horse.

          I did see an article analysing data from L.A., in todays AmericanThinker.

          Some interesting trends. The Homeless, at least so far, do not seem to be a hotbed. I wondered all along about that assumption, cause they practice,social distancing, anyway.

          Not only because lack of bathing makes them,…odiforous. They tend to engage in behaviors that encourage others,to give them space.

          Beyond that, seems like it is more in “blue” areas, in comparison to “red” areas,…at least,so far.

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        • Johnny Dollar says:

          Per their website the IHME Fauci/Birx curves will be updated at some point today, the 4th.

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          • vikingmom says:

            Yeah, they haven’t done an update since April 1st…I would think they would be able to do them daily. Dr. Birx keeps talking about getting updates every day. Wonder if the numbers are trending even lower and they are losing their “Shut it ALL DOWN” mojo?

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      • dallasdan says:

        Birx refused today to answer a question seeking specific, projected peak numbers of deaths and when, as indicated by the “models” she is using. She knows the peak projection of 12,000 deaths/day, cited by the questioner, is crap. JMO

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    • Blue Wildflower says:

      It seems difficult to believe anything New York reports? They have by far the largest number of cases and deaths. Much larger than Texas and California which has a higher population count. How many were given the Malaria cocktail?

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      • Unless you’re on a patient’s care team, the meds they receive is private, protected info. All you’ll get from most sources is trends in treatments, not specific numbers taken from the patient charts. That has to wait for clinical studies where all patients have signed off to allow the release of their medical records.

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        • lackawaxen123 says:

          no it isn’t … HIPPA says the doctor can’t say what he gave YOU … it doesn’t say he can’t say we treat 90% of people with X …

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          • Sorry. It is standard in hospitals. I know people who were fired for inadvertently revealing chart info, even without names. The smaller the hospital, the bigger issue that is. If you only have one COVID patient in the facility at a time, you have identified the patient if you reveal the treatment.

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            • California Joe says:

              It’s perfectly legal to speak in generalities about treatment outcomes without revealing “charts” or patient names. We had 500 coronavirus patients and treated 450 with HQ and 400 had a speedy recovery!

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        • Blue Wildflower says:

          I just want to know if anyone in America is getting the cure. Are hospitals using the drug or only private doctors? We know lupus patients are using it. Can I get the drug if I get the virus? Do I need to drive to Juarez and get it just in case I get sick?

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          • Different states use different protocols. HCQ is available here, but not without a doctor’s consult, because it’s quite risky for patients on some other very common meds.

            It’s equally common here to try other antivirals (like remdesivir) in serious cases. HCQ is an anti-inflammatory, so though it might boost the patient’s own immune system response it can’t directly kill or inhibit the virus. Some combos of antivirals used against HIV are also being tried.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        With all these patients how come there isn’t some #hashtage on twitter saying tweet how your loved one in being *treated*?

        Did they send you home?
        Did they tell you not to even come in and ride it out at home?
        Did they put in ICU and just watching you?
        Did they then put you on vent saying it’s loo late for treatment?

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        • Robert Smith says:

          We know this thing doesn’t have the kill rate of Ebola back in the old days — shouldn’t there be a lot of “success” stories out there of people who has severe cases and who have been “treated”, i.e. something other than being in a hospital and/or on vent.

          And I’m not just pimping for HQ/Zith/Zn, tell me ANY actual treatment a survivor has had.

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        • Blue Wildflower says:

          If we had a media maybe we would know. I agree why don’t we hear from family members. We know everything about people, their haircut, their lunch, but no one tells us about the virus when all of America is staying at home. It makes you wonder if anyone even has it.

          .

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    • Bogey Free- as I New Yorker, I can tell you and everyone else: do not believe a thing that you hear or read that comes from Il Duce El Supremo Cuomo or any other hack Government official.
      They are worse than Liars- they are TERRORISTS.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        It’s strange how people, normal non-cth-people for instance, are very skeptical about government – and, now, take what those same officials say at face value.

        So, yes, people are gullible and are over and over and again. Until people make these politicians, of both sides, pay at the ballot box, they don’t care.

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      • cjzak says:

        As a NY resident also, I second that.

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    • Eric C. says:

      It’s statistics, the people sick now are fewer in number than those who will be sick next week and those on ventilators now will most likely still be, so you need more.

      Hopefully the apex is near and in a week or two there will be fewer extremely ill patients.

      Most importantly, hopefully they are doing the chloroquine/zinc/z-pack combo to further reduce the “icu” curve.

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  3. sunnyflower5 says:

    Don’t forget— News Conference at 3:30 P.M. at the White House. Thank you! 🇺🇸

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  4. Bogeyfree says:

    Sundance,

    I’m sure you have seen these tweets by Candance Owens.

    Is this something deserving a thread by you?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1246469374413864963

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  5. Reserved55 says:

    Are they releasing prisoners in Florida?

    Anyone arrested for violating isolation or quarantine orders issued by the Florida Department of Health will be held without bond, according to the Supreme Court of Florida.

    FORT MYERS, Fla. – Anyone arrested for violating isolation or quarantine orders issued by the Florida Department of Health will be held without bond, according to the Supreme Court of Florida.

    People arrested will be held without bond pending the first appearance.

    Chief Judge Michael T. McHugh signed the directive Friday stating people who are arrested shall not be given a “Notice to Appear” nor will be released pursuant to any local bond schedule.

    Anyone who violates any requirements made by the Department of Health pursuant to a declared public health emergency is committing a second-degree misdemeanor.”

    https://www.nbc-2.com/story/41972047/anyone-arrested-for-violating-isolation-orders-will-be-held-without-bond

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  6. burnett044 says:

    So folks do not want a lock down…..believe Dr shorty is a joke..
    the question to ask ya self…what are you gonna do about it???

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  7. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  8. sync says:

    The Javits Center in New York is now a Covid treatment hospital

    Here’s a live video feed from the Javits Center’s 6.75-acre green roof, the second largest of its kind in the United States

    The 6.75-acre green roof is home to five bat species. Really.

    In case they run short of the Covid virus, they can run up to the roof and get some.

    Similar to having a nuclear reactor on top of a hospital that treats patients for radioactive exposure.

    https://www.javitscenter.com/sustainability/live-roof-cam/

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  9. Linda says:

    So sick of all these Covid-19 numbers. I just googled 2019/20 stats for influenza/flu….nowhere near Covid….way worse!! What’s going on?

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Wuhan Flu has been portrayed as the second coming of the Black Plague, that’s what’s happened.

      Common sense got run over by a freight train of politicians all wanting to avoid looking callous by not doing EVERYTHING to stop it….even if they had to burn the house down to rid the attic of some spiders.

      Too late now. All we can hope for is that Trump sooner, rather than later, starts allowing people to work again, using appropriate mitigation methods of course to help slow the further spread of WuFlu.

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    • decisiontime16 says:

      10’s of thousands die every year from the yearly cold and flu season.

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  10. Deplorable Ukie says:

    Today’s op-ed at the Russian version of Chinese propaganda RT.com gaslights its readers.

    ‘Russian aid to Italy, dubbed an ‘influence operation’by EU-partnered media outfit, is indeed shameful- for Europe’ by an Irish freelance writer.

    Players on the scene: EU, Italy, Russia; with China in shadows.

    Italy is the country of failed socialist policies, government run health care, and the permanent political crisis. Among the EU countries, it has the highest Chinese presence.
    https://www.ecnmy.org/engage/prato-chinese-stuff-look-around/

    In March 2019,
    Italy joins China’s Belt and Road initiative. This is a huge event for the entire EU.

    ‘In Italy, China’s New Silk Road is not seen as a threat.

    The Mediterranean country is the first in the G7 to join China’s Belt and Road Initiative.’
    https://www.dw.com/en/in-italy-chinas-new-silk-road-is-not-seen-as-a-threat/a-48441190

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/23/italy-china-new-silk-road-belt-and-road-g7

    In July 2019,
    this event happens. Keep in mind that Russia wants the sanctions removed.

    Conte to Putin: EU sanctions on Russia make Italy ‘sad’
    https://euobserver.com/foreign/145376

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  11. yadent says:

    Consider: Our current Wuhan virus policies and actions are based on the ‘flatten the curve’ concept. If one is HONEST and uses simple logic, the very premise of ‘flatten the curve’ is NOT infection prevention but control of when infection occurs. Remember, ‘flatten the curve’ was a policy to PREVENT overload of hospital capacity, that infection was going to happen was a given. ‘Flatten the curve’ is saying that if 100 million infections occur, the policy is not to prevent their occurrence but to stretch out their occurrence from say 4 weeks to 4 months. The 100 million was a total regardless, 4 weeks or 4 months. Preserve hospital capacity is the goal.
    Hence, cutting through all of the screaming, chatter , hysteria, numbers, graphs, all of it, using simple logic, bottom line is what we are presently doing is tanking our economy and the consequences that result, giving up freedoms, doing all this in order that we have enough ICU beds and ventilators for those that need them…….to give them an ultimate survival chance of 10-20%.
    Question then becomes, Is the cost worth it?

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    • Michelle says:

      Agree – flattening the curve is just a longer suffering for everyone. Even though the purpose was not to overwhelm the hospitals, it seems that being in a hospital or on a ventilator won’t save you anyway. Or maybe it is worse to go to the hospital! Something like getting people on the HCQ treatment early seems much more helpful. I also am starting to wonder that if you are meant to die from this virus, you will die no matter what the hospitals do. In the end, no doctor or medicine, or government for that matter, can save you from poor health. Only the individual can do that.

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    • BuckNutGuy says:

      Yardent,

      You have taken calculus. The area under both curves is identical = # of deaths. And you are further correct that the goal was to reduce stress on the hospitals. Nowhere, even NYC, are we seeing said stress.

      Open it up!

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      • gda53 says:

        Be assured that PDJT is not unaware of these developments. He may be willing to play ball with the so-called “experts” until the peak of the wave hits NY (in 5 days), but if that peak turns out to be manageable, or worse, over-hyped, then all bets are off.

        So far, over-hyping is looking a good bet.

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        • yadent says:

          Problem is there is no denominator as to total infections. NYC has no idea where they are at with this virus (as does the rest of the nation, no antibody testing). If they haven’t already peaked then due to current restraints they are keeping that peak down…for now. Once the restraints are released the virus, tomorrow, next week, next month, the virus being a virus will resume it’s geometric rise. To keep that from happening NYC would have to remain in lock-down until the last vestige of virus was extinguished, possibly months. Remember, we are doing ALL of this for ICU beds and ventilators. In other words, Pay me now or pay me later. OPEN UP THIS ECONOMY, NOW.

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          • lackawaxen123 says:

            the flu doesn’t rise geometrically for more than 3 months for a reason … neither will corona … for same reasons … herd immunity and geography …

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            • zorrorides says:

              Everyone’s leaving out that a cheap cocktail made of malaria medicine, z-pak, zinc and vitamins, provided to the population, will prevent people from getting sick and if they do catch it, can cure corona flu illness before the lungs are seriously affected, for a great percentage of Americans.

              Now how does THAT stack up against destroying the economy and violating our Bill of Rights? These ringleaders need to be arrested and convicted.

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            • yadent says:

              Spanish flu did more damage during the 2nd wave than the first, several months after that first wave. Not enough seroconverted folks. As you said, herd immunity. Time is of no consequence if the virus has a susceptible host, even during periods of low activity (summer for instance) and/or restrictions are in place seemingly suppressing it’s R0# for a period of time. If that virus is not totally extinguished during that suppression time, 1 month, 6 months, whatever, it will come back. With enough uninfected, it will rise geometrically.

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          • Tseg says:

            All I know is I saw a video this morning of NYC police/firefighters dropping off supplies/gifts to hard working hospital workers… and there were hundreds of people in the videos elbow to elbow outside of the hospital in celebration… Where I live, in my semi-urban environment people are pretty good about social distancing… I wonder why it does not apply to hotspots with people that should know better?


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      • Oh, we were completely at capacity since February in the small (200 bed) hospitals of rural WA where I worked. Barely making it on supplies as well. We often had to transfer patients away to larger hospitals until late March, when all same-day and elective surgeries were canceled. That gave us 30% more beds. The incoming cases have slowed over the past week. Hope that trend holds.

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      • Buck Nut Guy- New York has always been a corrupt cesspool for all the many years I have lived here.
        Out ultra liberal Commie state is now completely controlled by Fascist Demon Rats who are the most evil and corrupt politicians on the planet.
        Anyone who could be fooled by Il Duce Cuomo must not have read about all of the corruption that has gotten worse every day of his misbegotten regime.
        I have absolutely no doubt that whatever money, ventilators, equipment, supplies, etc. that are given to New York by our President Trump and the Feds, will be promptly stolen by the powers that be, never to be seen again.
        You have to understand- New York is run by thugs, and Organized Crime family on steroids. This Corona scam is the going to be their biggest haul ever.
        This is what they’ve been doing for years- robbing the taxpayers blind. Why should this be any different?

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    • yadent- very sensible,well thought out comment. We need more people to see this.

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    • lackawaxen123 says:

      had the governors said … I am locking down the state to save X lives from corona at the cost of Y deaths over the next 5 years due to my lock down … I would have some respect for the lock down argument (assumes Y is alot smaller than X) …

      Seems like the same “health experts” with models claiming corona could kill X are supposedly the same “health experts” who could give an estimate of Y … don’t both the NIH and CDC study the effects of economic downturns on death rates …

      Why are we not being told the modeled effects of the lock down … estimates at least …

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      • dwpender says:

        Larry Lindsey appeared on CNBC on Friday (Kelly Evans’ show) and said studies had shown that a recession with 10% unemployment SHORTENS life expectancies by 1.5 years. There are such studies out there.

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    • Dutchman says:

      yadent,
      I agree with MOST of your post; it is not about reducing infections, hospitalisations and deaths, it is,about spreading them out, so hospitals are not overwhelmed.

      However, IF hospitals ARE,overwhelmed, its not JUST the critical CHI-NA virus patients we have to be concerned about.

      Its ANYONE who needs hospitalisation;
      Women in labor, patients going in foe routine but necesary, lifesaving surgery, ANY true medical emergency, etc.

      Agree the debate of “is it WORTH it” is a valueable debate to have, just think you need to fully paint the picture of what “IT” is, a complete shutdown of ALL the hospitals in a major city. Or multiple major cities,….

      Now, whether its “worth it”, whether there were other alternatives to this shutdown,…..?

      Fair question, but that IS the “nightmare scenario” they were painting to PDJT, IMHO.

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      • yadent says:

        Something called triage comes to mind. From known data we now know that if a Wuhan virus patient requires hospitalization, ICU and vent, their chances of survival are 10-20%. It is a sad thing to have to make choices but with limited resources those choices have to be made. The unintended ramifications from an economic shutdown are many. Among those ARE increased suicides, and stress related health issues caused by that shutdown that WILL cause among other things, premature death. Again, a shutdown at what overall cost?

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        • Dutchman says:

          I know well “Triage”, having worked rural EMS, with finite resources, on mass casualty scenes..

          I understand the concept, something Medical people DO NOT normally consider as a part of triage decision making,…something PDJT will, in the end, have to decide.

          “The buck stops here”, right at the Resolute desk, in the,Oval office, and he well knows that.

          And he is weighing the arguments you make, and reevaluating, every day.

          You could hear it in todays briefing. I am confident he will make the best decision he can, with the available information.

          Unlike any previous occupant since Reagan, and frankly even MORE than Reagan, he has a consistent track record of 3+ years, that has built my trust.

          So,,I trust him to say when, and how.

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  12. Despicable Me says:

    Just saw this video from Fairfax County Police Chief of Police Edwin Roessler, Jr. regarding social distancing efforts of the Fairfax County Police Department. Per the video, The Fairfax County Police Department is practicing social distancing in all they do “including your calls for service” including use of cell phones. So, when my call for service for say physical assault or battery or perhaps a home invasion threat which would more appropriately require the physical presence of a burly police officer, I can rest assured that one will be on the other end of a cell phone call. But hey, we’re all One Fairfax. I’m sure many Fairfax County Police Officers are shaking their heads.

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    • Dutchman says:

      When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

      So, how exactly do police officers apprehend, and take a suspect into custody, while practicing social distancing?

      Do they stand at least 6′ away, and toss the suspect the handcuffs?

      I can see a hilarious parody of a training film;
      Practicing safe law enforcement, while following safe distancing guidelines.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      On an overall basis, having people shelter in place forever – doesn’t that make policing easier? No people out or a lot less people out should make thing much easier than normal.

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  13. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Trader Joe’s has been doing this for several weeks. You have to wait in line outside to get in. You also have to wait on a line away from register and cashier until he or she is done with your items. Then you can pay when cashier steps away from register.

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  14. Reloader says:

    Re-open NOW. Lift the Stay Home orders, allow people back to work.
    There is a way to protect people and restart the economy.

    There are FOUR main vectors of the CCP virus:

    -Hospitals (the main problem in Italy)
    -Medical Staff (a serious problem worldwide)
    -Police (a difficult vector to mitigate)
    -Cats (yes … pet cats, even in Wuhan itself)

    Here is a plan that everyone on the planet should read:

    https://market-ticker.org/post=238805

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  15. trapper says:

    Oh! Oh! Me! Me! [waiving hand in the air]

    I have a question: If we are all wearing face coverings now, can’t we open everything back up again? Even sit down restaurants. Raise the bandanna, take a bite, put the bandanna back down. And isn’t it easier to enforce? “He there buddy. Where’s your mask?”

    So let’s scrap Fauci’s stay-home experiment and replace it with a face covering experiment. Hey, everyone has an old shirt they can wrap around their face.

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    • BuckNutGuy says:

      I’ve broken out my kids pool swim mask and snorkel. Yeah, I look silly, but tha’ts the whole point. It’s a farce and I am going to treat it that way. (no underlying conditions).

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      • trishinsouthernillinois says:

        You would think that we would all be wearing safety glasses with our homemade masks, knowing it can enter your body through your eyes.😷🤓

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    • gda53 says:

      Just bought some paper towels this morning. Saw on Ingraham how to make them into a facemask with just staples and two elastic bands.

      Doc said they are the best protection – prevents 99% of droplets from penetrating.

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      • So you just staple the rubber band to the paper towel?

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      • I just tried it. Forget the staples; they tear through the paper too easily. Instead, I used white duct tape and put the duct tape on both sides of the paper towel to hold each end of the rubber band in place…also strengthens paper towel.. I used two heavy duty rubber bands cut open and then duct taped together in the middle at a good length..not too tight not too loose. when putting on and taking off, hold onto rubber bands to stetch. It works pretty good and you can breathe through it pretty well too.

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      • Tickerguy says:

        Masks actually do almost nothing to prevent droplet penetration in truth (except N95s, which are hell to wear for a long period.) What they DO do is prevent you from touching your face. And that’s how you’re getting infected — from your hands to your face.

        This virus is shed in feces; you’d think that’s a tough means of transmission but you’d be very wrong. It’s one of the most-efficient; polio was through this route with an R0 of 5! So you touch something contaminated, touch your mouth, nose or eyes and you’re hosed.

        You can prevent nearly all (but not all; being coughed on directly, obviously) transmission by not doing that. That means lots of hand-washing and stop touching your face. A mask is one way to break the habit — and it is a very tough subconscious habit to break.

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    • Landslide says:

      I have a red, white, and blue bandana ready to go…..plan to attach my Trump 2020 button on the side!👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Scarf and eye protection and wash hands should be all that is necessary and open country back up. A majority around here seem to be wearing masks and coverings now but not so much eye protection.

      Fauci is already on record saying touching face is how you get it.

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      • trishinsouthernillinois says:

        I missed your post🤓😷

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      • lackawaxen123 says:

        yes actual infection from the airbone particle is a tiny percentage … airborne particle lands, you touch the surface then your face is the way 90% plus gets infected …

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      • Tickerguy says:

        Yep. Don’t touch your hands to your face and wash hands frequently so as to reduce the risk of an error getting you. Easier said than done — that’s the real value of a mask in that it prevents touching your nose and mouth. Not your eyes, however, and that’s a really, really good entry point.

        The part nobody is talking about is that this virus sheds in feces. Known fact. Nobody wants to go there because they’ll get called a raciss, but the facts are that viruses that shed in feces are *extremely* easy to spread and damnably difficult to control. Polio is the poster child for that (R0 = 5) but hardly alone. Touch a fecally-contaminated surface, then touch your mouth, nose or eyes, and you just got it.

        This is not, for the most part, an aerosol-transmitted bug.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Coffee filters, hair bands and a stapler.
      Made a “proof of concept ” mask today, took about 1/2 hour,…..

      Used 2 filters, folded over edge and stapled,….stapled hair bands, with one as loop on end to go around ear.

      Piece of cake, now deciding on what to write on front?,…”China sucks”,…”3M sucks”,….hmmm,…

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      • Beau Geste says:

        both are true, plus you have to suck through the mask

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        • Dutchman says:

          Worked fine for me, but then I have a beard.
          Its a barrier. Any barrier is better than none.
          As someone else posted, Dr’s believe 90% of flu, colds, etc is from putting your hand to your face, after touching a surface.

          Which got me thinking about smokers. I am NOT discounting the lung damage from smoking,…just sayin.

          Any non smokers out their who, every waking hour, 1,2 or 3 times per hour, repeatedly put their hand up to their mouth, 20-30 times over 5 minutes?

          Just a thought, as a smoker,…

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          • trishinsouthernillinois says:

            I make my own cigarettes.
            I never touch my filters, only the tobacco end. When i smoke I keep my fingers on the area just above the filter. I always wipe down my cigarette case & lighter when I return home from being out & about. I’ve been doing that before the Twilight Zone hit.
            I scratch those facial itches with my shoulders, always have if my hands aren’t clean.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Good practices all. I also roll my own.
              But, you are,…unusual. I am speculating about the average smoker, and its just speculation.

              Of coarse, in our homes, assuming we wash hands and change clothes upon entering, you can touch your face etc.

              Its when out in public, and touching surfaces that could get virus on hands, that is when we need to focus on this hand to face business.

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    • Redzone says:

      Is that you Horshack? [Welcome Back, Kotter]

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  16. The American Patriot says:

    Looks like I found a couple of flaws with an independent centrist

    1. They tend to swerve liberal if one of their parents have a liberal bone…..meaning they think that FNN and MSDNC aren’t fake news

    2. They can’t assimilate the “truths and facts” of things when the true conclusions come out. They could be lied to about something that isn’t truly agreed upon just to not hurt or upset the person. Once the conclusion comes out, the person will claim the presenter is not right and is not mentally there on certain issues.

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  17. pocaMAGAjunta says:

    What does it mean when Yahoo News reports China is attempting to take over the world?

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  18. lackawaxen123 says:

    death from covid19 is a natural disaster … nobody chose to kill you …
    future deaths from lock down is a man made disaster … that someone chose to do to them …

    where are the “health experts” and their charts showing how many will die due to the lock downs ?

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  19. Publius2016 says:

    totally outside the box…what if this Virus interacts with medicine in strange and unusual ways so the BEST THING TO DO is to take those on drugs off drugs so they can recover with hydrochlroquine…

    Wuhan 400 is a GeoPolitical BioWeapon developed in a lab…sunlight and fresh air kill it…

    Maybe a “vaccine” is exactly our DEATH SENTENCE INSTEAD! Cant trust CDC WHO NIH anymore based on Event 2O1

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  20. Betty says:

    Ohio corona update. 41,871 people have been tested for the virus. 3,739 cases confirmed. 101 deaths. Does the fact that only 3739 cases out of 41,871 tested mean that most people are testing negative? I’m sure because of the low testing and lag in results for 5 to 6 days means there’s more cases coming this way. But is it possible that many people have already had the virus and that’s why it’s not super high so far? Or could it be at all people social distancing it’s really haven’t that much of an impact? And what happens after they flatten the curve? If there still cases out there does that mean that people that didn’t get it this round will be more vulnerable if they come in contact with those cases? Just a lot of questions I guess.

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    • BuckNutGuy says:

      Ohio was supposed to be at 4000 new cases PER DAY by now. Pls ignore Dr Amy Mingele and her co-conspirators

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    • yadent says:

      The ‘silent attack’ rate (no symptoms but still infectious) is around 50% of those infected per data out of Iceland, Italy (city of Vo), and the Diamond Princess. Without antibody testing, NO ONE knows where we are at with this virus. Flatting the curve lengthens the time of infection occurrence but does NOTHING in terms of changing total infections that will occur. That WILL be a constant. The mathematics of this virus (characteristics, infectiousness =R0#) indicate that for the virus to extinguish itself, around 66% of the population will need to become infected. Exponential math and the R0 number dictate this. Without any intervening factors (vaccine) this will happen with or without restrictions. With restrictions we could lengthen the duration of this virus until next fall. Depending on the strains of influenza next season and the possibly of a mutation of this virus to a more virulent strain, for those who haven’t seroconverted, the resulting infection could be devastating. The 1918-1919 Spanish flu, the 2nd wave the following fall was much worse than the first.

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      • dwpender says:

        Yadent — You’ve had many excellent, informative posts during this crisis. Keep them coming.

        The only thing I would add is that all data as to the asymptomatic infected is pure guesswork. Data tells us how many test confirmed cases never develop any symptoms. We still have no idea how many asymptomatic untested (likely overwhelmingly resolved without symptoms) there are.

        We also have no idea how many persons with the Wuhan virus have or recently had something along the cold/bad cold/flu/”bug” spectrum who will recover or have already recovered without EVER being tested. My working hypothesis is that this number dwarfs the number of confirmed cases, but we really don’t know.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Current test thats being deployed only tells if you HAVE the virus, WHEN your being tested.
      It CAN NOT tell if you at some time previously HAD the virus, and have recovered.

      THAT test will tell a lot more, including if some,% of population already have immunity. Perhaps an antibody to a previous coronavirus that is “close enough”.

      Without that antibody test, in a pinprick format, with quick results, we simply won’t have the data.

      Given that the technology is old and well known,…given how quickly they rolled out the improved nasal swab test, such a pinprick, quick result test SHOULD be available by now.

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  21. Bubby says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8184997/Doctors-worldwide-say-malaria-drug-best-coronavirus-treatment.html

    FTA “Doctors around the globe report that the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine seems the most effective treatment they’ve tried for coronavirus patients – but less than half as many doctors are prescribing it in the US as in other hard-hit countries like Spain. …

    Should be available to any patient who wants if diagnosed with the Wuhan virus not just when they’re on their deathbed on a ventilator in the hospital!

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  22. Betty says:

    Should say social impacting IS having a good effect

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  23. thinkwell says:

    Social distancing, hand washing and masks help slow the spread of COVID-19, but none of this, especially stay-at-home orders, should be by force of law in contradiction to our Constitutional freedoms and rights. Citizen education is the key here, not tyranny.

    On the other hand, fine and imprison people who purposefully try to spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus (touching other people, touching public surfaces needlessly, licking and spitting on surfaces and foodstuffs, coughing on people, going out while exhibiting symptoms, not quarantining while sick or exposed to someone who has become sick).

    What we are lacking (but it is rapidly changing for the better) is a supply of millions of quick and reliable COVID-19 tests (the deep state CDC really dropped the ball on this one). We desperately need better information about the infection rate (via random tests) and about anyone who thinks they might be sick, not just when they are in the ICU.

    Households with infected people should be quarantined, but areas free of infection should not. With cheap, available quick and accurate tests, infection control could be adjusted dynamically as local conditions dictate.

    Also, people who have been infected (and perhaps don’t even know it), have fully recovered and now test negative should be identified and be free to resume their normal activities (i.e., go to work).

    People who are identified as infected early on should immediately receive anti-COVID-19 treatment such as hydroxychloroquine (or other effective treatments as they become widely available). If the cure rates prove out to be very high then nearly all of America could go back to work.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      “…People who are identified as infected early on should immediately receive anti-COVID-19 treatment such as hydroxychloroquine (or other effective treatments as they become widely available). If the cure rates prove out to be very high then nearly all of America could go back to work…”

      I assume that there are places doing this, but then you would think we’ve have heard of it by now.

      What it seems like most places are doing is ignoring no-severe cases and take them in when they are serious where they might or might not give them treatment , other than a vent. But, the thing is the rapid worsening of the severe cases seems to make treatment of only ICU patients a low probability crap shoot.

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  24. Reserved55 says:

    “Justice Department prosecutors in the case against former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn are asking the court for an additional three weeks continuance on the case, citing the review of “voluminous” documents submitted by Flynn’s former legal team that represented him for a span 30 months.”

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    • Robert Smith says:

      The DOJ and FBI does everything they possibly can against the defense that only an extremely compliant and/or corrupt judge deem to be illegal or, at the very, very least unethical.

      And they (DeepState DOJ/FBI) get rewarded with unending delays and continuing consideration.

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      • looseends660722553 says:

        And, the Communist Judge,A my Jackson continues to delay in the Stone case.
        Journalists are still trying to intervene to look at jury questionaires. She may be in trouble.

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        • Robert Smith says:

          Whoa, what’s wrong with those journalists?

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          • On March 19, 2020 a bunch of liberal type of Journalists like Buzzfeed moved to intervene after Cernovitch so moved on February 28. ABJ appeared to have been ready to rule against This case is really flying Stone’s Motion for new Trial until then.

            This would be a good time for conservative journalists to try to intervene.

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  25. TMonroe says:

    Let’s recall the unprecedented obstruction of the current administration being able to fill its positions adequately. Instead of getting a full change at HHS and other places, there were a bunch of vacancies and “acting” holdovers from the previous administration — which reportedly never adequately prioritized adequate stockpiles of emergency essentials or hatched better emergency prep plans and coordinations. Elections were supposed to have the consequences of the president setting his administration, but even that was forwarded in the “resistance”. Some of the initial and lingering issues on seem like more fruit from that, courtesy of the usual suspects.

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  26. sunnyflower5 says:

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  27. Reserved55 says:

    No doubt a Dim.

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    • Reserved55 says:

      Same judge

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      • Lady in Red says:

        I would think Hobby Lobby would fight this in court. If I were to think of any business who would do so, Hobby Lobby would be there at the top of the list.

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      • decisiontime16 says:

        All Hobby Lobby’s employees are out of work naturally. I think they have 900 stores. Hobby Lobby tells them to file for unemployment.

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    • iswhatitis says:

      Sara A. Carter tweet says: “This type of community social monitoring reminds me more of #Cuba #China #Russia (I can go on) but you see where I’m coming from. This isn’t how Americans operate – by the way, where in the Constitution is there a distinction between what’s essential and nonessential Judge?

      Unfortunately, the CISA.GOV ‘ADVISORY MEMORANDUM ON IDENTIFICATION OF ESSENTIAL CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WORKERS DURING COVID-19 RESPONSE’, states:

      This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive
      or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of
      critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during
      the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions. Individual jurisdictions should add
      or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and
      discretion
      .

      Any “jurisdiction” can add whatever to the list; because the Federal Advisory says they can.

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  29. sunnyflower5 says:

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  30. Magabear says:

    Latest death toll numbers are 8232 total wuhan virus deaths with 4411 coming from NY/NJ. That leaves 3821 deaths for the rest of the 48 states and U.S. territories. That’s an average of 79 deaths per the other 48 states.

    As was said in this thread, releasing national emergency funds to every state is what allowed state dictators, I mean governors, to lockdown their states and destroy Trump’s economy.

    Considering that Fauci as late January said that the wuhan virus was no threat to America, you get a good idea of when this plan to kill the economy and PDJT’s election chances was hatched. Right after shampeachment failed. My guess is Fauci was brought in on this lastest coup sometime in February.

    As Sundance has said, you do have to admire the depths that the left will go in order to achieve their agenda.

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    • Deb says:

      I don’t admire the left’s tactics, or their belief that the ends justify the means. It isn’t special or admirable, it’s evil. Any human being is capable of stooping to the level the left will go to, the admirable people are the ones who don’t. They fight back without becoming that which they hate. That is impressive.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Perhaps RESPECT is preferable to ADMIRE?
        As in KNOW the enemy, don’t underestimate the enemy,…

        And yeah, we need to have the same kind of detirmination and dedication, without the single minded block headedness, as they have.

        Hard to strike that balance,..

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    • Mike Robinson says:

      It’s pretty clear that these states are playing with the mortality numbers. COVID-19 codes are being added to DC’s where the decedent didn’t even have pneumonia. Someone wants these numbers to be high.

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  31. BuckNutGuy says:

    What boggles the mind, whether local, state or federal is that no one in a position of authority is even questioning the bureaucratic community health professionals. They are to be deferred to no matter what.

    I come from the business world. We have always incorporated a “Challenger Team” to blow up the consensus “model/opinion” on any significant corporate development such as a major new product launch or M&A opportunity. Those that always want to “do the deal” have underlying biases and are invested in a certain outcome. Many times, the Challenger Team “lost” but at least we went into things eyes wide open.

    This authority bias is destroying our country. Has President Trump reached out to the team at Stanford calling BS on all of this? If not, why not. I am sure Secretary Rice (president of Stanford) would take his call.

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  32. OhNoYouDont says:

    Ohio Department of Health
    Last Updated: 04/04/2020 (Updated daily at 2 p.m.)
    https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/

    3,739 – Confirmed Cases in Ohio (3,312 – 4/3/2020)
    326 – Number of ICU admissions (288 – 4/3/2020)
    1,006 – Number of Hospitalizations in Ohio (895 – 4/3/2020)
    102 – Number of Deaths (91 – 4/3/2020)
    <1–101 – Age Range (no change – 4/3/2020)
    53 – Median Age (54 – 4/3/2020)
    48%* – Sex – Males (no change – 4/3/2020)
    51%* – Sex – Females (no change – 4/3/2020)
    *<1% sex not reported (no change – 4/3/2020)

    —–

    Ohio Coronavirus Cases: April 4 – 3,739
    Ohio Coronavirus Deaths: April 4 – 102

    —–

    Ohio Coronavirus New Cases (past 7 days): 2,333
    Ohio Coronavirus New Deaths (past 7 days): 77

    April 4 (1700 GMT) – 427 new cases and 11 new deaths reported in Ohio

    April 3 (1700 GMT) – 410 new cases and 10 new deaths reported in Ohio

    April 2 (1700 GMT) – 355 new cases and 16 new deaths reported in Ohio

    April 1 (1700 GMT) – 348 new cases and 10 new deaths reported in Ohio

    March 31 (1700 GMT) – 266 new cases and 16 new deaths reported in Ohio

    March 30 (1700 GMT) – 280 new cases and 10 new deaths reported in Ohio

    March 29 (1700 GMT) – 247 new cases and 4 new deaths reported in Ohio

    Data Point:
    Ohio Department of Health
    Last Updated: 03/28/20 (Updated daily at 2 p.m.)
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/28/march-28th-2020-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-1164/comment-page-4/#comment-7993556

    —–

    TOTAL CORONAVIRUS CASES IN OHIO

    Data Point: March 28 – 1,406

    Data Point: April 4 – 3,739

    The difference between 3,739 and 1,406 is 2,333

    So, 2,333 new cases in Ohio reported in the last 7 days

    Therefore, 2,333 of 3,739 is 62%

    (62% of new cases in Ohio have been reported during the last 7 days)

    —–

    TOTAL CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IN OHIO

    Data Point: March 28 – 25

    Data Point: April 4 – 102

    The difference between 102 and 25 is 77

    So, 77 new deaths in Ohio reported in the last 7 days

    Therefore, 77 of 102 is 75%

    (75% of new deaths in Ohio have been reported during the last 7 days)

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  33. NJ Transplant says:

    Gee – Faux news reports that coronavirus cases were put on the hospital ship “by mistake.” How did that happen? It looks like Cuomo doesn’t want it to end. He won’t allow prescriptions of chloroquine unless the person is hospitalized, which increases hospitalization. Now they put Covid patients on a hospital ship which is supposed to be for hospital over flow of non-covid patients.

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  34. Tseg says:

    So it seems to me some “hot spots” should now have had access to large amount of HCQ for a number of days. I would think by now we either are seeing it be the miracle drug as billed or not, yet beyond a survey of many doctors endorsing it, and number of deaths in the Michigan Hot Spot starting to flatten out, not a lot of factual evidence either way is being shared. Why?

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    • Blue Wildflower says:

      Very scary! The cure is out there but the medical community will slow walk the cure to people. I’m sure everyone is not involved but that is also what we thought about the FBI.

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  35. G. Alistar says:

    Anyone heard of David Goldberg? Got a note from an old friend who is very concerned. Sounds like a conspiracy theory guy….but I don’t know. Anyone familiar, thoughts?

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    • sync says:

      Apparently, the Comfort does not have the latest Abbott test and test equipment. They could have the results in 5 minutes. They failed to do their own due diligence on each patient and relied on New York city hospital data. Fatal mistake.

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      • Patriot1783 says:

        Widely known the ship was only to receive non covid patients, I’m sure listed on relevant paperwork and signage as well. Therefore sure seems the originating transport orders were given wrong intentionally.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      in new york and other dem-corrupted cities/states, ir it hard to tell whether it is corruption, incompetence, bias or outright sabotage. probably ‘all of them’ is the best choice

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    • Robert Smith says:

      They would love to take out the hospital ship.

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  36. Troublemaker10 says:

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  37. Ivehadit says:

    OH. MY. PRESIDENT!!! “Bats will be swinging”. We love you, Donald!!

    Liked by 3 people

    • dallasdan says:

      He appears to be one of the untouchables, and he knows it.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Patriot1783 says:

        If Brennan thought he was so untouchable why does he push back so hard?

        He will eat it when that knock is about to come to his door rather than face prison time.

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        • dallasdan says:

          “If Brennan thought he was so untouchable why does he push back so hard?”

          Because he can, he enjoys it, and he feels it advances his anti-Trump agenda..

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      • Patriot1783 says:

        If Brennan thought he was so untouchable why does he push back so hard?

        He will eat it when that knock is about to come to his door rather than face prison time.

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  38. Jimmy R says:

    It’s difficult to wrap my head around how lucky we are that Donald Trump won in 2016. Absolutely sure that the Founding Fathers would have called it divine providence.

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  39. Lucille says:

    Securing Mercy
    Marines – Published on Apr 3, 2020
    U.S. Marines with 1st Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division post security to secure @U.S. Navy USNS Mercy (T-AH 19) in Los Angeles, March 29.

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  40. OhNoYouDont says:

    COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
    Last updated: April 04, 2020, 21:45 GMT
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldwide Coronavirus Total Cases: 1,195,371
    (1,097,932 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)

    Worldwide Coronavirus Active Cases:
    April 04, 2020 – 884,743 Currently Infected Patients
    (810,386 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)

    * 842,677 (95%) in Mild Condition (770,947 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    * 42,066 (5%) Serious or Critical (39,439 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)

    Worldwide Coronavirus Closed Cases:
    April 04, 2020 – 310,628 Cases which had an outcome:
    (287,546 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)

    * 246,110 (79%) Recovered / Discharged (228,405 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    * 64,518 (21%) Deaths (59,141 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    —–
    COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
    Last updated: April 04, 2020, 21:36 GMT

    United States Coronavirus Cases: 306,997 (276,965 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    United States Coronavirus Deaths: 8,350 (7,391 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    United States Coronavirus Recovered: 14,686 (12,283 4/3/2020 @ 23:58 GMT)
    —–
    COMPARISON BETWEEN OHIO AND ALL HER BORDERING STATES
    Last updated: April 04, 2020, 21:36 GMT
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    USA State; Total Cases; (New Cases); Total Deaths; (New Deaths); Active Cases;

    Michigan; 14,225; (+1,481); 540; (+61); 13,680;
    Pennsylvania; 10,017; (+1,597); 136; (+34); 9,814;
    Indiana; 3,953; (+516); 116; (+14); 3,837;
    Ohio; 3,739; (+427); 102; (+11); 3,637;
    Kentucky; 917; (+86); 40; (+3); 813;
    West Virginia; 282; (+45); 2; (zero); 280;

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  41. Lady in Red says:

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  42. Reserved55 says:

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  43. Reserved55 says:

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  44. Reserved55 says:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240656194710253570.html

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  45. KT says:

    Romney and Tester…figures
    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/04/04/mitt-romney-joins-with-a-democrat-to-warn-trump-about-relief-oversight/

    Tester was the willing stooge who released the false info against Admin Ronny Jackson (treated him like they did Kavanaughn). Good podcast on it by Dan Bongino bongino.com/podcasts/
    EP 1209

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  46. FPCHmom says:

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Before I got to the bottom of your post I was going to say Chinese who escaped China’s healthcare clutches.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      As linked in the AMgreatness article, this NYTimes article:

      (written on 1/27)

      “…Mr. Liu was among a few hundred members of the New York Yellow Crane Club who had traveled to Wuhan several weeks ago to celebrate the Lunar New Year with relatives.

      As the seriousness of the outbreak became apparent, Mr. Liu, who is the club’s president, and a few others cut short their plans and boarded flights home. Mr. Liu arrived in New York on Wednesday, he said.

      As of Monday, Mr. Liu said he had not experienced any symptoms: “So far, so good.”

      Last year, the Yellow Crane Club, which has more than 500 members of mainly immigrants from Wuhan and their families, hosted a Lunar New Year celebration at a banquet hall in Flushing, Queens.

      This year, Mr. Liu said, “all the events here are canceled. Everybody is in a state of panic.”

      For now, Mr. Liu spends his days staring at his phone, reading the news about the virus and messaging friends. His wife is visiting their daughter in Florida. He worries about his 90-year-old mother, who lives alone in Wuhan…”

      —>>> And after that, you had the NYC health official and others pushing very heard for the Chinese New Year’s Parade. When the Chinese people closest to it in the city were already shying away and bracing for it.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Because this is how we are ruled by the coastal elites. Brainwashing.

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  47. Bogeyfree says:

    When is someone going to hammer Fauci and Birx for failing to distribute and get Hydroxychloroquine into the hands of individual doctors so they can treat the thousands of infected patients EARLY!

    IMO everyday that they delay and ignore the studies and testimony of other doctors the more people that they are allowing to die by allowing their disease to progress.

    Odds diminish greatly once the patient goes into ICU and they even further diminish if put on a ventilator.

    IMO people need to start calling these two out!

    The medicines are safe. Otherwise why did the FDA approve??

    So why don’t the doctors have any and why are they not promoting this as a good front line treatment.

    Waiting months for data will lead to hundreds if not thousand of UNNECESSARY deaths IMO.

    I’d really like to see Sundance zero in on this point in a dedicated thread and even consider reaching out to 3-4 doctors who have already gone on record about their success with hydroxychloroquine and include again their testimony and findings in the thread.

    It is time to put the spotlight of common sense on them so all Americans can see.

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    • Jeffrey407 says:

      Exactly, Hydroxychloroquine has been used since the 1950s so any side effects are widely known. As PDJT said the side effects can’t be worse than the disease if you are on the verge of going on a respirator

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