April 1st – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1168

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1,018 Responses to April 1st – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1168

  1. Dan Dan says:

    ICYMI – States not testing for Chi-Na Virus…!!!???

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    • fred5678 says:

      500,000 unused test equipment sets. I’m sure CNN and Acosta will be interviewing each lab and confronting them at 7 AM sharp on Wednesday.

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    • Publius2016 says:

      she really tried to pin this on 45 but he was too quick…he said Mike:

      VPP said: “we are letting the states and cities…the governors and mayors tell us what they need…”

      45 then said: “New York was slow taking action…”

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      • Jason says:

        I don’t get that at all unless it’s not in this clip. Dr Birx made it clear the tests were available and already *in each state*, it’s just not getting used. As just a casual observer, I wouldn’t have thought this could be blamed on fed/45.

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        • logicforoneandall says:

          Could it be they are not needed? Because no one is sick.

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          • Mike Robinson says:

            I think you just hit the nail on the head …

            What if we held a pandemic, and most people didn’t get sick? Or, very sick? What if most of them just came down with a cold?

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            • Ken Lawson says:

              And yet here in Colorado they’re only allowing a limited group of people to be tested (and get slow results, too) because they claim there aren’t enough test kits.

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              • annieoakley says:

                With Polis, it is Political so he has to drag it out and make the most hay while he is able. His political future depends upon pining this on the President.

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            • JT says:

              They are speculating that one reason Italy has been hit hard is due to their having had a mild flu season. So this enabled the CV19 to grab a better hold there. Plus how do Italians traditionally greet each other? The same as when they say goodbye.

              They hug and kiss on both cheeks. They have always been very sociable. I really don’t want to see that tradition end.

              There have also been videos on YT of ethnic Chinese in Italy with signs that say “Hug me . I’m a person. Not a virus.” . Hopefully this was not done on purpose to spread the virus.

              When the CV19 came to the U.S. we had already been informed that the “regular flu season” had already been well established among our population. You have all seen the figures of 36 million infected, 220,000 hospitalized and tragically 12,000 who died.

              I’m no doctor, but if you have the normal flu, can CV19 infect you at the same time?

              if you had the regular types of flu does one have some protection against the more harmful aspects of the virus among us now?

              There’s an article today in the American Thinker titled “How can We Obtain Herd Immunity?”

              Be safe. Be Well.

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          • Somebody says:

            It’s the guidelines, you must exhibit so many symptoms to qualify for testing.

            I’ll give you a real life example. I know someone who was hospitalized for covid-19. The health department came out to their house. 6 people in the house, only the patient in the hospital and their spouse who had a nasty cough were tested. Why because those were the only two with symptoms. Now two more in that same house are sick and tested positive. Odds are the other two will test positive within a day or two.

            IMO they should have tested all of them from the get go. Then do social tracing to try and find any others that could be infected. Just from this one house off the top of my head I know of a half dozen or more potential cases due to close contact prior to exhibiting symptoms. (Boyfriend, girlfriend, best friend, siblings)

            The prudent thing would be to trace, test and isolate. Instead guidance is wait for symptoms. Meanwhile those people potentially infect people before they are sick enough to be tested.

            That kind of tracing and isolating probably isn’t feasible in an urban area, but this is a rural area and is feasible.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Everything gets blamed on 45. With the exception of some of the things that are so good that 44 gets the credit. And there is some overlap.

          And we are still hearing of PPE and test shortages. Wonder how many shortages are from government hoarding? Like all those ventilators sitting in warehouses.

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          • Publius2016 says:

            exactly…every state receives federal funds each year especially since after 911…NY Governor has had 5 opportunities to purchase 16,000 ventilators…

            instead he choose to close down hundreds of hospitals…

            Federal Government is to assist with local public health usually with disaster declarations and logistical support…

            here’s a good question for NY Governor Santino: why did you order National Guard quarantine in early March but call for Civil War in late March?

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          • zurizara1 says:

            Please clarify this is LOCAL government and its bureaucracy. Ventilators were in NJ warehouse, not the feds.

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        • Bec74 says:

          The criteria to get a test is still being restricted by the State, even here in Westchester County where there are 10 thousand of confirmed cases. Drs are giving “presumed” diagnoses of the virus over a video teleconference. They are not ordering you to go to a testing facility. My asthmatic daughter is quite unwell. She highly allergic to tree pollen and we have that issue too. She got designated 2 days ago with a “presumed” diagnosis of Covid-19. She looks and feels like crap, and she has intense abdominal pain. Two drs mentioned the possibility of an abdominal process but they won’t see her in person because of this virus. I had to palpate my own daughter’s abdomen for the doctor on the teleconference. I am having to jump through hoops to get her tested just to rule the virus in or out. Her pediatrician refuses to have in his office. Her pulmonologist will only do telemedicine consults. The hotline person asks if you have had direct contact with someone with the diagnosis. With all the “presumptive cases” and asymptomatic cases roving in Westchester County how do I know if she’s come in contact with someone with the virus while at the grocery store. Three people from my office in Manhattan now have the “presumed diagnosis”. I know people made a joke of that Democrat congresswoman from
          NYC with her “presumed diagnosis” but that is exactly what is going on here in NY. All the testing that is going online by the federal government is not being implemented by the clinicians.

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    • Betty says:

      I know dr. Action stated yesterday that they don’t have enough tests to do more in Ohio.

      I just wonder if most people find the thought of having swab shoved up their nose as far as possible a major roadblock to being tested. I had no idea what that text was like until President Trump talked about his. Very unpleasant.

      Plus I think a lot of people had the virus and never knew it. Thought it was a type of flu or cold. I had something the end of December into January that was pretty nasty and felt exhausted after that for a few weeks. I know others that did too.

      My son just recovered from what he swears was the virus. Went to the doctor Nd was not tested because he was 30 years old. Not enough tests so she gave him an inhaler and an anti logic and said don’t use it unless you think you are getting worse. He was out of work for two weeks.

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Would be so hope affirming to hear from clinicians rather than scientists / bureaucrats.

      Numerically and statistically defining an illness has resulted in our current lockdown with the majority of people subject to governmental control. Formulas that are supposed to better explain the biological manifestation of the disease are employed with the same authority of an actual illness in motion. AND then Dr. Birx bemoans the fact that more tests have not been employed as a means to employ more numbers.

      Please start a daily routine that includes a clinician that has instituted a clinical facility that actually treats the “tested positives”. A clinician and a clinical system that can actually diminish the sickness and death rather than numbers that only serve to fuel an unfounded prediction of greater death and social crumbling.

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    • InAz says:

      My RN cousin could not get tested because she did not exhibit all the symptoms required for testing even though she was exposed by her co-worker who was confirmed to have Covid-19 as well as the husband. Co-worker recovered but the husband is not doing well.
      Stupidity! She lives in Tucson, Arizona

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  2. A2 says:

    It’s April fools day, but this is not one.

    It’s a kind of weird coincidence. But I have to say master US inadvertent trolling.

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  3. A2 says:

    👇👇
    The lying PRC is ramping up their soft power during this pandemic. But don’t discount, the generosity and action by the US to counter it and help the world. That is why the President is ramping up US manufacturers to produce quality medical protection products, not just for US needs, but to help other countries,

    ‘As the leader in the global health and humanitarian response to COVID-19, the United States has acted swiftly to support our ASEAN partners in combating the COVID-19 virus. Since the outbreak began, the U.S. government has provided approximately $18.3 million in emergency health and humanitarian assistance to ASEAN Member States. Globally, as of March 26, 2020, the United States is providing an initial investment of nearly $274 million in emergency health and humanitarian assistance to help countries in need, on top of the funding we already provide to multilateral organizations such as the World Health Organization and UNICEF.

    This total to date includes nearly $100 million in emergency health assistance from USAID’s Global Health Emergency Reserve Fund and $110 million in humanitarian assistance from USAID’s International Disaster Assistance account, to be provided for up to 64 of the most at-risk countries facing the threat of this global pandemic. Through the State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration, the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) will receive $64 million in humanitarian assistance to help address the threats posed by COVID-19 in existing humanitarian crisis situations for some of the world’s most vulnerable people.

    New Funding to Support ASEAN in Fighting COVID-19:

    U.S. funding to ASEAN countries on COVID-19 supports the following goals:

    Prepare laboratories for large-scale testing for COVID-19;
    Infection prevention and control;
    Enable risk communication;
    Implement public-health emergency plans for border points of entry;
    Activate case-finding and event-based surveillance for influenza-like illnesses;
    Train and equip rapid-responders in investigation and contact-tracing;
    Update training materials for health workers.
    U.S. government agencies spearheading out international response, including The Department of State, USAID, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are working closely to allocate funds based on COVID-19 hotspots and vulnerabilities. The United States also coordinates with other donors to complement assistance and avoid duplicating efforts.

    America’s Leading Support for ASEAN’s Public Health

    This emergency support is in addition to the nearly $3.5 billion dollars in public health assistance the United States has provided to ASEAN Member States over the last twenty years. The United States is the global leader in public health assistance, with more than $9.5 billion allocated in 2019 to support public health overseas, including in Southeast Asia. This amount includes funding to counter pandemic threats, HIV/AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis (TB), and other health needs. Since 2009, American taxpayers have generously funded more than $100 billion in health assistance and nearly $70 billion in humanitarian assistance globally. Our country continues to be the single largest health and humanitarian donor for both long-term development and capacity building efforts with partners, and emergency response efforts in the face of recurrent crises. This money has saved lives, protected people who are most vulnerable to disease, built health institutions, and promoted the stability of communities and nations.

    U.S. Emergency COVID-19 Support for ASEAN Countries (by country, as of March 26):

    The United States is providing both technical assistance and financial support to ASEAN Member States, initially $18.3 million. That support is outlined below:

    Brunei:

    The Department of State conveyed Brunei’s request to U.S. companies for availability of respirators and Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) after U.S. domestic demands are met.
    Cambodia:

    Approximately $2 million in health assistance will help the Cambodian government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, and support technical experts for response and preparedness, and more.
    The CDC is assisting Cambodia with contact tracing clinical management, lab testing, surveillance, and infection control.
    A U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) infectious disease physician is assisting with clinical consultations, and developing clinical care guidelines for the Royal Phnom Penh Hospital (Cambodia’s designated treatment hospital).
    The United States has invested long-term in Cambodia, providing more than $730 million in health and more than $1.6 billion in total assistance over the past 20 years.
    Indonesia:

    $2.3 million in health assistance will help the Indonesian government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, and support technical experts for response and preparedness, and more.
    CDC has provided technical assistance to Indonesian health officials. The U.S. Army-led Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Sciences (AFRIMS), based in Bangkok, provided reagents to run an additional 500 tests in March.
    The United States has invested more than $1 billion in health and more than $5 billion in total assistance over the past 20 years.
    Laos:

    Nearly $2 million in health assistance will help the Lao government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, and support technical experts for response and preparedness, and more. The Department of Defense (DOD) is working to provide additional testing equipment.
    Six CDC specialists traveled to Laos to provide epidemiology, surveillance, and lab training.
    The CDC and DOD led a table-top exercise and simulation with Laos government partners in March on COVID-19 mitigation. This included a simulation exercise on COVID-19 readiness and response at Wattay International Airport on 19-20 March
    Ongoing U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) support and training, particularly the Biological Threat Reduction Program, support Lao Ministry of Health capacity to professionally test for COVID-19.
    The United States has invested nearly $92 million in health and more than $348 million total over the past 20 years in Laos.
    Malaysia:

    The Department of State is identifying U.S. companies that can supply the Malaysian government with ventilators and PPE after U.S. domestic demands are met.
    The Department of State is seeking to link the Malaysian Institute of Medical Research with appropriate companies and agencies for assistance with antigen testing and vaccine development training.
    Myanmar:

    Approximately $3.8 million in health and humanitarian funding will go toward water and sanitation supplies, COVID-19 case management, event-based surveillance, coordination, and more.
    The CDC helped the Ministry of Health and Sports to launch a nationwide online tele-mentoring session on COVID-19, that is providing Myanmar’s frontline health workers with timely, accurate information on the outbreak at 100+ locations nationwide.
    The CDC is also providing technical assistance on epidemiology, surveillance and laboratory case detection to the Myanmar’s Central Epidemiology Unit and the National Health Laboratory, and organized two rounds of technical consultations.
    The United States has invested more than $176 million in health and more than $1.3 billion in total U.S. assistance over the past 20 years in Myanmar.
    Philippines:

    Nearly $4 million in health assistance will help the Philippines government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, support technical experts for response and preparedness, risk communication, infection prevention and control, and more. The United States has invested more than $582 million in the Philippines’ health alone and nearly $4.5 billion in total assistance over the past 20 years.
    The Department of Defense’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) provided locally sourced PPE, training, exercises, and laboratory equipment and materials.
    Thailand:

    Approximately $1.2 million in health assistance will help the Thai government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, support technical experts for response and preparedness, risk communication, infection prevention and control, and more.
    CDC in the United States and through its in-country team in U.S. Embassy Bangkok – have provided lab support and assistance with processing Thai national patients returning from Wuhan, China.
    CDC has provided advice on risk communication, translation of technical materials, information on non-medical public health measures, and screening procedures at ports of entry.
    The Department of Defense’s DTRA provided a genetic sequencer for diagnostic, surveillance, and locally sourced PPE.
    US. long term assistance in Thailand includes more than $213 million in health and more than $1 billion in total assistance over the past 20 years.
    Vietnam:

    Nearly $3 million in health assistance will help the Vietnamese government prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, support technical experts for response and preparedness, risk communication, infection prevention and control, and more.
    The CDC provided training to 15 hospitals in conjunction with the WHO, and has helped train for 63 provinces on COVID-19 surveillance, reporting, and sample collection, and is supporting Vietnam in developing its National Infection Prevention and Control guidelines for COVID-19.
    The Vietnamese government has requested support for COVID-19 testing reagents, which is currently being coordinated with DTRA for local sourcing.
    Over the past 20 years, the United States has invested more than $706 million in health assistance and more than $1.8 billion in total assistance for Vietnam.
    ASEAN-wide: U.S. exchange programs have strengthened the expertise of the Southeast Asian medical professionals leading their countries’ fight against COVID-19. More than 1,400 physicians from ASEAN countries have been visiting scholars at U.S. universities and medical schools. Another 1,000 Southeast Asian medical and public health professionals are alumni of U.S.-sponsored exchange programs in their fields.

    Regionally, the United States through NIH is active in supporting research in ASEAN countries key to countering pandemics, including on therapeutics, vaccines, and medical countermeasures. Examples include NIH work with ASEAN partners on malaria treatment and prevention, bat coronavirus spillover events, and other research of public health benefit.

    The United States, through USAID and the CDC, has regional programs to boost ASEAN country capacity to prepare for outbreaks and build lab diagnostic capabilities. These include:

    CDC improvements to laboratory safety and biosecurity across ASEAN, by certifying high-standard biological safety cabinets.
    A CDC training course for Mekong countries (Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Thailand) on how to counter emerging influenza threats, held in November 2019
    Long-standing USAID support through the One Health Workforce – Next Generation project to ASEAN countries, including Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Thailand, to prepare for, prevent, detect, and respond to public health emergencies before they pose an overwhelming pandemic threat. The project aims to transform the health workforce and university public health curricula. Since 2014, over 10,000 students and professionals have been trained in infectious disease topics through the Southeast Asia One Health University Network (SEAOHUN).
    USAID partnership with the Thailand Ministry of Public Health to build a Regional Public Health Laboratory (RPHL) network, sharing information and resources on emerging infectious diseases across ASEAN since the network’s launch in November 2019.’

    https://www.state.gov/u-s-support-for-asean-in-fighting-covid-19/

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    • rah says:

      IMO the PRC will rue the day. Their status with people all over the developed world is in the gutter so deep that the globalists will not be able to counter the pushback that is coming when things settle down. A whole lot of greedy, power hungry, bastards that sold their own nations out to China to enrich themselves are going to lose a whole lot of money.

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      • scrap1ron says:

        Losing money should be the least of their worries.

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      • gsonFIT says:

        PDJT is going to have some significant leverage when he goes back to the negotiating table for China trade deal. I am sure MSM will try to muck that leverage up as the virus subsides and they need new commercial/advertisement sales.

        Also consider if Hillary or Joe Biden were Executive during the CV-19 crises. Not just them but how the media would report about them and their actions. Score yourself by venturing a guess on the statistics that MSM would print, like an athletic scoreboard, 24 x 7. Who would have a higher score HRC or Biden

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        • Greg1 says:

          You’d never hear about it if Hillary or Biden were President. It would be a replay of how the media didn’t go after Obama in 2009.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Making others pay for ‘gifts’ of unprotective PPE and tests that don’t work is earning them ill will. Lots of it.

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      • Ken Lawson says:

        Losing status, and therefore power, around the world will not go well with the communist Chinese leadership. We need to keep an eye on them because this is the type of thing that could cause them to become more aggressive. They are far more dangerous than most people give them credit for.

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    • wondering999 says:

      Thought this was interesting from Asahi Shimbun: Taiwan considering removing “China” from their nation’s official name, wanting to distance themselves from PRC:

      “TAIPEI–Anger at being confused with China amid the coronavirus outbreak and Beijing’s stepped-up efforts to assert sovereignty is stirring heated debate in Taiwan about how to further distance itself from its giant and often threatening neighbor.

      “At its core is a debate about whether to drop “China” from the island’s official name, the Republic of China.

      “During the virus crisis, the World Health Organization (WHO), which considers the island part of China, has listed Taiwan’s far lower case number under China’s, and China has repeatedly insisted only it has the right to speak for Taiwan on the global stage, including about health issues.”

      http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13263496?fbclid=IwAR3NsakcsraXo945BgAGV8HtuLprHnFNf0yo64GwIZKcw03vs6XnAmr54x4

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    • wondering999 says:

      This is also interesting background history on World Health Organization (WHO) and how they handled an epidemic in 1981 in Spain, covering up the real cause and threatening any who revealed it:
      https://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/aug/25/research.highereducation

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  4. hawkins6 says:

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    • A2 says:

      Yep. He knew. And that’s a wrap.👍

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    • Jason Ross says:

      DEM candidates didn’t utter one single word about the virus in their debate on Feb 19. And the NBC moderators did not ask a single question about it.
      They saved their hysteria for March, apparently. And flipped it like a light switch

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      • wondering999 says:

        THIS. I was anxious and actually self-quarantined for two weeks, mid-February to March 1, after traveling from San Francisco to Tennessee. I didn’t want to risk getting friends and relatives sick.

        Because of what the media was dishing at the time, family and friends scoffed a bit at me. But I had been spending a lot of time in and near Chinatown in SF, where a LOT of people were wearing facemasks, and restaurant dine-in business was slowed. Especially after flying many hours on an airplane with other people who might have carried the virus, I thought I was high risk. The MEDIA WAS DOING NOTHING while ordinary people, using common sense, were reasonably concerned

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    • Patience says:

      “What did he know and WHEN did he know?” Nervous-Nancy ?
      >Ask Mr. Paul Pelosi Sr (for starters).

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  5. citizen817 says:

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    • DJ Snyder says:

      About time! May other states swiftly follow!

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    • sDee says:

      Under any Uniparty federal administration, the skies of Idaho would darken with DoJ and private lawyers’ aircraft. The danger is in how easily we could return to that. States and citizens long ago gave up the fight for own sovereignty under the Constitution.

      NC citizens voted overwhelmingly for a state constitutional amendment for the biological sanctity of marriage. One activist federal judge blocked it. No citizens outrage. The majority Republican legislature and governor shrugged.

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  6. A2 says:

    I’ve been foraging around the country data on the Covid19. In Hong Kong we have granular detail published on line.

    Several items stand out. Generally speaking, if we take a snapshot today. The confirmed cases to those ‘recovered’ on a ratio per population and testing done is very stable. I suppose there are many reasons for this ,but I found it interesting. Of course if you factor in deaths due to the Covid19, they are wildly different, across the board.

    Hong Kong has few deaths, others have high level deaths.

    Containment, mitigation actions do make a difference,

    In Hong Kong, since the surge of imported cases, and then community spread by asymptomatic cases, speaks to this spread, most of them imported cases from students from hot spots like the uK and US as well as tourists from EU.

    I hope the US is learning from this data.

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    • gsonFIT says:

      A2 always great to get your input from 1/2-way round the world. Two questions: 1) How subjective is CV-19 as a cause of death for the deceased from the context of HK, then globally and America too if you care to venture an opinion. Asked another way did some people die with the disease and not because of it? Not sure I have the right terminology but defer to your excellent knowledge base.

      2) How are asymptomatic people considered with regarding to the “recovered” statistic and what is that low “recovered” number telling us medically?

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    • gsonFIT says:

      A2 always great to get your input from 1/2-way round the world. Two questions: 1) How subjective is CV-19 as a cause of death for the deceased from the context of HK, then globally and America too if you care to venture an opinion. Asked another way did some people die with the disease and not because of it? Not sure I have the right terminology but defer to your excellent knowledge base.

      2) How are asymptomatic people considered with regarding to the “recovered” statistic and what is that low “recovered” number telling us medically?

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      • gsonFIT says:

        ad rem please delete one of my duplicate “sign-on” comments above.

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        • A2 says:

          GsonFIT, thank you for the question. The death rate is low, 4 so far, other cases some critical, some serious. Many stable and will eventually be released from hospitalisation. The deaths are attributed to the Covid19. Hong Kong doesn’t fudge the stats.

          This second wave ( imported infections) have , because of testing, showing asymptomatic cases. They have it but so far haven’t presented symptoms. They are in isolation and monitored. If they have symptoms will be hospitalised for treatment. Many new cases are community or family linked spread, all traced and monitored.

          Considering our border with China, the early steps taken, and the population (and companies and building corps like commercial spaces) falling into line with mask wearing and hygiene and physical distancing ( from past experience with SARS) has been a boon. The government has taken action with policies, but with a rather light hand as HKPeople know the drill. They comply naturally as they know the risks.

          Of course like elsewhere there are the naughty ones who try to escape quarantine, dodgy practices like price gouging, or flogging faulty masks. But the government and folks take action to root them out.

          I kept saying to people here, the hoarding will dissipate, and it has.

          In one of the most highly dense urban populations in the world with 7.5 million people on the border with the PRC, the lessons here are invaluable.

          Asymptomatic cases are taken seriously as they may unwittingly spread the virus. I think overall in the world and particularly in the US there are more than is currently been discovered. I also believe the spread was very wide before the first cases were finally acknowledged by the CCP. For that they should be held responsible,

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          • Jim in TN says:

            Let me guess. Widespread testing. Treat all who have it. Quarantine the affected and the vulnerable. And have the people wear masks in public and other such common sense behaviors.

            And then compare to: Test only the obviously sick. Treat only the very sick. Half-ass quarantine everyone. (Which means no one.) And whine that it is all Trump’s fault because containment ain’t containing and mitigation ain’t mitigating.

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          • gsonFIT says:

            I know or suspect why U.S. CDC testing was delayed but I am interested in HK testing and why so efficient? How early was HK with testing? and did various aspects of HK community receive early notice from Wuhan (Government, Med Community, even Street Rioters)? My exposure to traditional Asian culture (not CCP) is communication can include lots of innuendo and rumors.

            Do you recall what the Hong Kong word was on China Virus late last fall and into year end?

            One final journey into the weeds. Is it safe to assume that 80% of Total world wide case are Asymptomatic?

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            • A2 says:

              Like SARS, ( the great cover up by the CCP) the grapevine was active as many HK people live across the border, many work in Wuhan and were phoning relatives. I went to the dentist in the first week in January and everyone was masked, temperature taken, questions such as did you travel to China. That is before the first case in HK was identified.

              Again, the PRC was covering up.

              Carrie Lam was slow to close the border crossings with the PRC and there was a lot of pressure on her to do so. Medical personnel threatened to strike unless action was taken. That got her attention.

              I’m not sure testing was efficient in terms of coverage, but it was easy to use the SARS method, and to switch over to this new corona. This second imported wave tests everyone coming in. Of course, now no transiting passengers allowed (particularly hard hit were Aussies and Kiwis trying to return home from Eu, UK). Only HK residents, Taiwan, Macau and Chinese nationals allowed to land. All are tested, have to self isolate with tracking bans, if symptomatic to quarantine or hospital.

              When the President instituted the travel ban in late January, the HK government followed.

              When China lifted the Hubei lockdown, the HKG sent planes to Wuhan to airlift HKers from there. The medical community with close ties internationally knew early on.

              I’m sure information was shared with the US very early on from HK, Singapore and Taiwan.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      When are the dooms day mushrooms who read this stuff going to realize it is a model output with a Low End and High End Range. All the media and democrats will ever report (hype) is the high end. Read the fatality estimates for the “older viruses” from the CDC, e.g. for 2019-2020 the estimate RANGED from 24,000 to 62,000. Plus as with all models, selected data and the vaguest, unfounded the assumptions as long as the “right” answer is given to support the PC cause.

      Models are never meant to provide definitive answers but to provide a range of answers as trends, indicators and bound for risk assessment and trends in progress to SUPPORT decision making. NOT be the answer.

      The President is being poorly served with these numbers ever seeing the light of day with this type of explanation on how they are used and generated.

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    • RetiredEE says:

      A2 thank you for your informative posts. As to learning from this, there are many organizations and labs working on this. Among the activities is the genome sequencing from virus samples across the world. Here is a report from the Nextstrain group that has collected and is collecting this. For those that might be interested as it is presenting rather technical information. It appears that the infection on the US west coast was from China. The New York infection was from Europe. All sources point back to Wuhan.

      https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-03-20

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      • A2 says:

        Thank you. I haven’t seen this source, though I’ve read some of the gene sequencing articles published. Very important work.

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  7. scrap1ron says:

    It’s April Fools Day, and the Head Fool of New York State, Andy “The Oracle” Cuomo has no State budget at the deadline. He stares into the $6 billion abyss *before corona virus* and has no answers. Meanwhile NYS employees won’t be paid until a budget is passed.
    “Democratic lawmakers in the Assembly and Senate are pushing back against Cuomo’s two proposals to cut Medicaid spending — shifting costs to local governments and trimming benefits and hospital funding.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/medicaid-fight-takes-central-stage-in-albany-budget-battle/

    And the Deep State is profiling this moron to be the DNC nominee.

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  8. icthematrix says:

    I’m appalled that President Trump has his leading viral doctors now spouting massive death rates at yesterday’s presser. Touting these as better estimates than before (of course), but how accurate are they? Now the minimum US deaths are 100,000? At the current published confirmed case rate (which is an inflated 2% mortality rate) that would indicate 5 million confirmed cases. At a more likely mortality rate of 1% that’s 10 million confirmed.

    What is this based off of? I see no evidence from other countries that indicates a total case rate or death rate anywhere NEAR those figures! Other countries are coming down from their spike and the case rate per capita is far lower than these projections. Yet here they go, spreading fear again, and our President has to be drug along behind this clown car.

    Help me understand this if I’m wrong.

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    • Tseg says:

      There are a lot of things not adding up, also at the local level. But don’t worry, the government and higher education collaborated to build the models, so how wrong can they be?

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      • Issy says:

        If government and higher education collaborating on anything don’t scare you, you are not normal. I don’t have much faith in their modeling since both entities lie to us constantly.

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    • Seneca the Elder says:

      Matrix- at some point we have to start talking about ALL of the statistics and reputable scientific research about the real number of deaths from ChinCom Flu.
      Like others are saying, how many people have died from a preexisting medical condition who also happened to be positive for CCF?
      Where we live in NY, local media is reporting all these deaths as being caused by CCF. Then you read the fine print and find out nearly EVERY ONE of the people that died were either elderly, had cancer, heart disease or some other condition.
      I fully expect them to start reporting car accident fatalities as being from the virus.
      Time to put these deaths in perspective. The MSM and Left are out of control.
      They want MORE panic and hysteria.

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      • Evelyn says:

        This is a common problem in the world of medicine-related statistics, it’s not limited to the current virus outbreak. My husband suffers from a type of Frontotemporal Degeneration, a terminal neurological illness that affects younger people for which there is no treatment. The most common immediate cause of death for people with FTD is pneumonia, which they are prone to for reasons I won’t go into here. Most often their deaths are recorded as being due to pneumonia rather than FTD, which skews the statistics. I’m unsure what the solution is, just pointing out that the cause of death issue is complicated and not limited to Coronavirus.

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        • gsonFIT says:

          I would like to see a graph plotted for the ratio of diagnosed cases to successful cures as it relates to the exponential growth of new cases. Did cure rate increase as number of test were administered. We know the fatality rate decreased, right?

          New Asymptomatic cases cannot be successfully analyzed to their effect on flattening the curve. The curve to Republicans is hospital congestion. The curve to dems is PDJT’s favorably rating. Curve to MSM is rating/viewers. Curve to most Americans is mortality especially if it becomes someone you know.

          Does “Case Fatality Rate” address this? A2? Anyone?

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          • A2 says:

            I’m sure it’s being done. What I was speculating about above was the ratio between confirmed cases and confirmed asymptomatics seems to be very similar across countries. The death rate varies considerably. I found it interesting, though obviously considering when the infection was contracted has different starting points and different progressions. I was just taking a one day snapshot look.

            I don’t know whether that observation is useful, but I found it interesting.

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    • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

      I caution you to not criticize President Trump or any of the scientists making predictions until after they’ve been proven wrong. I think 100k deaths is a low figure. Without mitigation, SARS-CoV-2 could have easily taken out more than a million in the US alone. Wait and see, hold your criticism, look at the data unemotionally. This is not the worst pandemic but it’s bad, significantly worse than 2009 H1N1.

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      • dawg says:

        “without mitigation, wuflu could have taken out a million”

        LOLOL

        You honestly believe that if we hadnt done what we have been doing, then 1 million americans would have died directly from wuflu in the last month or so?

        What “facts” is that based on, praytell?

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        • Ray Runge says:

          Super Doope rCov confuses testing, numerics created by the tests and then statistical analysis with biology. BIG Difference.

          What a tawdry film flam game is being perpetrated. Permit the daily briefings to include current reports from clinics that deal with the illness. Real biology in how the illness manifests and how our system can best address the ILLNESS.

          Statistics and scientific method has been well altered to simply “prove” what I want proved. Big Pharma can slick up a scientific experimental design that is guaranteed to produce a desired result before a single subject has been included.

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      • 81352Ran says:

        Super elite covfefe warning a Treeper yesterday:
        “Do not post positive news on CTH until it’s been proven true.”

        Super elite covfefe cautioning a Treeper today:
        “Do not criticize unsubstantiated predictions until they have been proven wrong.”

        Maybe start your own website, Super elite?

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      • gda53 says:

        Hang in there Super. This place is filled with panicked, crazy a$$ people these days. Even the most ludicrous conspiracy gets aired as fact.

        And to think we used to look down our noses at “Q”.

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    • Jason says:

      Imo, trump sees it’s going to get worse but hopeful mitigation efforts really decrease the numbers from estimate. However, if he continues with saying numbers will be minimal, he has exposure IF worst case scenarios come true and there’s also the possibility of increased spread since some aren’t taking it as seriously as they should.

      Basically, my view is Trump is swapping his approach to this so that when it’s done, he can tout the efforts we all made saved a ton of lives instead. IMO, I think this will be a better position than the alternative of hoping the more optimistic projections pan out and have it turn out far more end up dying.

      Just one person’s thought on why we are hearing these estimates. Whether high, low or just right, I think trump/experts believe the extended shutdown is necessary either way

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      • Robert Smith says:

        My view also.

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      • dawg says:

        This is exactly the conclusion I have been starting to come to.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        exactly another good deep state move. PDJT has no other option but to OWN THE DOWNSIDE (hence take the hit on the economy and try and spin it into saving the world).

        this was a great play by the COUP , using model predictions, media, and timed public statements, oh and delayed notifiction to the public ( NY go to china parade, ride subway; New Orleans – party on Wayne; Pelosi ripping up the SOTU as PDJT is warning people of the Chinese Virus)

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      • BuckNutGuy says:

        In business this is known as UPOD: Under Promise and Over Deliver. It is always better than OPUD: Over Promise and Under Deliver.

        The problem I have is that Gov’t is forcing me to let THEM determine what risks I can and cannot take. Just like gun control laws.

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    • Mike Robinson says:

      This is one of those moments when that wooden chair in that oval office is a very, very lonely place.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      Somebody gave a link to the projections they are using. The minimum is ~40,000 and the max -180,000. At least that is what the graphs show this morning, using data from yesterday.

      https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

      They show daily deaths are near an inflection point where the rise in daily deaths starts to slow, eventually maxing out between 1500 to 4500. This max will be the inflection point for the slow down of the rise in total deaths. The lower number is projected to max out on April 16 and the upper number on April 22.

      I hope things aren’t this bad. If the medicines help, the death rates should plunge. But restricting them to only the very sick is not likely to be of great help. These graphs do not show such a plunge in the predictions.

      The daily death data shows a massive increase yesterday that is predicted to almost level off today. So no reduction or plunge yet. That is the key to watch. When does the rate of increase in daily deaths slow down?

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    • ltravisjr says:

      I think it’s just raw math maybe? Forgive me, I don’t know the specific numbers but if I assume 4000 US deaths so far, and assume the amount rises by a third each day, Then after 2 weeks the number is over 200,000. I don’t know if the 33% per day increase is accurate but I thought I heard that. Also, I don’t know if mitigation/distancing would make a dent. We already are mitigating to the max. Also, the more that die, the less there are left *to* die and the more that are infected, the less there are left to *get* infected. That’s morbid thinking but does it make a difference in the projections? Finally, there’s the hydroxychloroquine factor that will certainly play a role going forward.

      In any case, the numbers get pretty large, but YMMV.

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    • chzheadproud67 says:

      looking at flu statistics for just my state (Wisco) this Chinese Flu isn’t even up to the average number of monthly (tested) cases of this flu season, yet we’ve shut the state down. We currently have 1400 “confirmed” Chinese Flu cases in Wisco (since March 1) yet CDC data shows we have had 32,000 flu cases in the past 4 months (average of 8000 cases per month) yet our media can’t put ANY of these numbers into context when reporting…SO maddening! Here’s a link to my states numbers if you would like to see them in black and white! https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/publications/p02346.pdf

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    • thedoc00 says:

      The numbers are from a model with a high end and low end, being manipulated to give the “right answer” in support of the advice given by these “doctors”. The President is allowing these clowns to spout off only about the high end and allowing them to get away with professional malpractice by allowing model numbers to be treated as definitive answers.

      I hope he sees fit to stop theses clowns and put their models in their proper place as decision support tools and NOT as the answer.

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  9. Ausonius says:

    From Hawkins6 above:

    Nancy didn’t think this was of any import… pic.twitter.com/znoOPBRyg4

    — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) April 1, 2020

    Of interest are the responses from the Trump Derangement Syndrome haters about his rallies and golf-playing during that time, and the claims that he called the virus a hoax at the rallies.

    How would one respond to those charges in a campaign debate?

    As a businessman, he would not find such things as playing golf and discussing issues and deals with people mutually exclusive. And how long does a golf game take?

    The rallies were a few hours late in the day, so again there would be time for updates, meetings, etc.

    Did he call the virus itself a hoax, or the information from the Chinese Communists about it a hoax?

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    • Jenevive says:

      It just thier latest impeachment narrative they plan to investigate
      POTUS again for his handling of this virus. that he denied it
      and his delay in getting supplies..

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    • Bigly says:

      This week, Check Your Fact rated two stories as false. “Trump rallies his base to treat coronavirus as a ‘hoax’ ” from Politico, and “Trump calls coronavirus Democrats’ ‘new hoax’ ” from NBC News, as highlighted by Popular Information’s Judd Legum. The fact-check explanation states that “Trump actually described complaints about his handling of the virus threat as a ‘hoax’. ”

      Trump had said at a rally (emphasis ours):

      “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs . . . They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that . . . we’ve lost nobody, and you wonder, the press is in hysteria mode.“

      https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/03/trump-coronavirus-hoax-fact-check/

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      • Ausonius says:

        Trump Derangement Syndrome: the “facts” are twisted or simply lies, but that’s what the sufferers, blinded by their hatred, run with!

        And of course such people do not realize the damage they cause by spreading such nonsense.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Those blinded by hatred want to hear these slanders. And they want to spread them on. Their goal is to convert all to join in with their blind hatred. And they don’t want to hear anything different.

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    • Dan Dan says:

      Golf is part of President Trumps Exercise routine and his Rallies are how he communicates directly with the people.

      Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

      House and Senate only works about 2-2.5 days a week avg.

      Here are the number of legislative days scheduled for the House and Senate each year in recent history:

      2020: 113 in the House, 130 in the Senate.
      2019: 130 in the House, 168 in the Senate.
      2018: 174 in the House, 191 in the Senate.
      2017: 192 in the House, 195 in the Senate.
      2016: 131 in the House, 165 in the Senate.
      2015: 157 in the House, 168 in the Senate.

      https://ballotpedia.org/116th_Congress_legislative_calendar

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  10. Interesting article about clandestine Chinese operations in FVEY countries, plus Taiwan & HK. Election interference and recruitment of locals willing to push propaganda, likely in return for commercial benefit. Defector apparently talking to Australian intelligence. Author asks at end what will be payback sought by Western nations. This is starting to become a much broader discussion, even in less awake circles. A quick read…

    https://strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20200327.aspx

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    • DiU says:

      Living close by to one of the facilities, I noted in the local paper a planning notice for a new mobile phone tower – the email address to contact was an @huawei to lodge any objections…needless to say, I didn’t bother with them, but contacted your WH with a see something, say something message.

      One couldn’t rely on the plonkers that we have in charge to pull the application!

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  11. Dances with Wolverines says:

    A interesting interview with a elderly couple and their doctor’s take recovering from COVID-19 in my city
    https://www.suffolknewsherald.com/2020/03/31/suffolk-couple-recovering/

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    • sDee says:

      It seems odd that the the doctor is relating the story as Chinavirus but they were not tested. He does not know for certain.

      The reason this caught my eye is that in January, I had the exact symptoms as the woman. Intense cough that came on suddenly and lasted weeks. Never had any cold or flu before that acted like it. Barely a fever, if any. Tired and could not shake it. I doubt I had Chinavirus and would question my doctor now telling anyone that it was.

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      • Dances with Wolverines says:

        The article stated the couple sat next to or close to another couple in church that DIS test positive. That church produced around 35 cases in Willamsburg, VA. That is why Dr. Forman (who I know well) determined they had Covid-19. A antibody test will prove it though. Lots of people around the country are being diagnosed with the disease, but not tested for reasons Dr, Forman stated.

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        • sDee says:

          “Lots of people around the country are being diagnosed with the disease, but not tested”

          I did not know doctors were doing this. That should be reflected in the data then. Tested positive vs suspected positive.

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          • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

            I listened to quite a bit of Sirius channel 21 lately, it’s Doctor Radio special COVID coverage. One physician said if he has a patient who presents with classic COVID symptoms he presumes it’s COVID. If the person’s illness gets serious, then they need to be tested to make sure the treatment is correct. But if the symptoms are such that the person can recover at home, testing isn’t necessary but it’s best to presume it’s COVID and implement the quarantine procedure.

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            • Robert Smith says:

              Problem in that is the test lag, which seems to be getting shorter, but still an issue.

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            • gsonFIT says:

              The WHO sux

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            • Ray Runge says:

              AND just maybe the clinician who refers to himself as an M.D. offers some treatment. Testing is fine but the person came to a practitioner to restore some form of health. Hopefully the practitioner has enough sense to treat the illness with the his knowledge and the tools he has at his disposal.

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          • Mike Robinson says:

            Hate to put it this way but … “trillions of dollars are going to start falling down from the sky,” and maybe the more cases you say you have, the more free money you’ll get.

            The largest hospital in the closest city to me is laying off non-medical staff because it says it’s losing money. A regional hospital management company is soon going to begin closing “non-profitable” hospitals. Once again, I think, a pretty obvious play for some of Uncle Sugar’s largess. No, “it’s socialism” to provide free basic universal health care, but trillions of dollars are available to prop up a health-care model that is failing under load.

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      • Tseg says:

        In the US most doctors have been adamant about only administering the test if EVERY CV symptom is had… and then only ~25% actually have it when administered the test.

        There is a lot of Fog of War going on here (I use that expression to be kind).

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      • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

        sDee, depending on what part of the country you are in, or if you had travelled recently, you very well might have had COVID-19. In Chicago, the first person officially diagnosed had travelled from Wuhan on Jan 13 and by Jan 17 she was tested and hospitalized. Imagine how many people she had contact with while travelling or back in the city. Imagine how many others returning from Wuhan brought back the virus to the US, perhaps to your community. You might have encountered one at the grocery store, perhaps walked through a cough cloud they left behind in an aisle, or touched a product they had just touched. The actual number of people who have been infected is certainly far higher than the number of confirmed cases.

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        • WhiteBoard says:

          I’d be interested if you have any doubt or skepticism about this virus narrative? you are very religious about you commentary on virus narritive’s accuracy.

          so if you could provide a negative or skeptic comment of it, I would hold it highly valuable coming from you.

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          • 81352Ran says:

            Super elite has sure been spreading it on thick the last few days. Too clever by half.

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            • gda53 says:

              Yeah, no. It ain’t Super elite who’s been spreading it thick.

              She’s one who has remained sane when many of those around her have gone off their meds.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        Same symptoms for Brother in law is said to have Covid-19 from a TELE-visit with a doctor. They didn’t want him to come in or test him.

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      • Bec74 says:

        These presumed diagnoses are happening everywhere, even in Westchester County NY where we have 10 thousand confirmed cases. My daughter got one of the presumed diagnoses 2 days ago. I commented upon what is happening with testing further up thread.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        reused Sarin.

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  12. Eaglet says:

    NEW ORLEANS – After two days in which the rate of new coronavirus infections appeared to stabilize here, new figures showed it had shot up 30% in the last 24 hours, according to the Louisiana Department of Health.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/31/louisiana-coronavirus-cases-skyrocket-24-hour-peri/?fbclid=IwAR1AGsWBunQ0hGz_sfNsw4WvIwTYbFthmHwyC0C7Oer74-RGKQ0pPqTfrG4

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    • rich33y says:

      The % increase numbers are statistically meaningless and designed to create hype and fear.

      They don’t include how many more people are getting tested, has the rate of processing changed, or have they changed who gets the test. There’s also no standard for reporting ‘Cause of Death’, so that number is also meaningless.

      I have 2 family members that got positive tests results back this week. One was a hospital admission, but only as a precautionary measure due to age, so even hospital admission numbers won’t give a true idea of how bad this actually is. Hospital admission does not mean acutely ill.

      The numbers we are being fed are less trustworthy than a Presidential Election Poll.

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      • Mike Robinson says:

        This is, among other things, a social experiment to determine just how many liberties the people will freely give up if they have been told to be scared. Hermann Göering said that “it works the same in every country” and he was right.

        This virus is spreading as viruses typically do, heading toward its peak, in spite of the “social distancing” and complete shutdown of our economy. These drastic and self-destructive measures aren’t helping at all.

        Most importantly – for most people it’s a bad cold, if that. The virus produces pneumonia symptoms in only a very small number of cases. We are widely testing, even people who don’t appear to be sick, and coming up positive in people who aren’t and don’t get sick.

        This thing is really bad news if you wind up intubated, but the vast majority of cases don’t. And in many areas there aren’t even many cases. In my county there is exactly one.

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        • WhiteBoard says:

          and to document the dissenters so you know who to target in the real event (not live excercise)

          mix your dissent with humor (mask it)

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      • ltravisjr says:

        Agree. Whatever the real numbers, they aren’t going to out of nowhere spike 30%. It’s not like the virus called all its little friend viruses and said “ok let’s roll tomorrow”.

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      • dawg says:

        Wow, that was absolutely SPOT ON.

        The only way to gain any insight of the spread of the virus is if

        EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN WAS GETTING TESTED EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THE RESULTS WERE KNOWN AND POSTED IMMEDIATELY.

        And that obvioulsy isnt happening nor is it even possible.

        This tunnel vision focus on daily case numbers is useful only to the media in order to spread panic, and to governments in order to grab power.

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  13. Patriot1783 says:

    Fox & Friends opens with banner 7000+ Covid-19 recoveries.

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  14. Jason Ross says:

    BNO is showing China has admitted to 1377 new cases today … that’s quite a spike from recent numbers. Is that accurate or part of the makeup strategy??

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  15. Bigly says:

    We must not forget how Trump won – this video from February is such a great lesson for young and old – I don’t know who this guy is but whoa – fearless warrior of the factual – to think professors exist to divide us, especially white liberals with “8 year art degrees” is disgusting.

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    • senda72 says:

      The last man in the audience said that he was a big supporter of The Daily Wire, and the speaker thanked him. In looking at the Daily Wire speaker site, if the speaker is from that news site, perhaps it is Michael Knowles ~ https://contact.dailywire.com/speakers/ . Michael Knowles wrote “The Reasons To Vote For Democrats” which is a blank book.

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    • StanH says:

      I’ve had this same experience debating liberal mouth breathers. Facts are whatever they want them to be no matter how stupid they come off. Like good little liberal droids they will simply spew their rehearsed talking points. Once they realize they are out-classed, they usually will get angry and stomp off calling you a fascist, when in truth they are the real fascist, or in keeping in the fascist meme “Brownshirt’s”. Perhaps a better comparison would be “Useful Idiot” …Vladimir Lenin.

      Like the last person to ask questions an American of Mexican descent has it exactly right and the reason the good will win in the long run. Save the savable.

      This was awesome.

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  16. Dan Dan says:

    ICYMI

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  17. billybob says:

    I’m going to nominate this song for Trumps theme tune for the next 4 years of his presidency. Time to take the gloves off Mr President 😅. I have a feeling that Alice wouldn’t have any problem with him using this song .

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  18. Dan Dan says:

    ICYMI – No problem I’ll cal it Chi-Na Virus… and Chi-Na lied people died…!!

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    • StanH says:

      Dummy little leftist lemming wannabe’s dutifully following their dummy lemming leftist university and faculty off the cliff. These weaklings couldn’t handle being without their cell phones for a day much less a real life challenge that is certain to come. Perhaps the Kung Flu Flu will be the first of many for these precious little snowflakes.

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  19. Mark W says:

    How does US provide 15% and China provides 0.2% despite wielding the most influence? Rick Scott wants to investigate whether US should continue funding WHO.
    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/how-does-us-provide-15-and-china-provides-0-2-despite-wielding-the-most-influence-rick-scott-wants-to-investigate-whether-us-should-continue-funding-who/

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  20. dwpender says:

    Comrades, welcome to the United Socialist State Republics of America.

    A friend of mine lives in one of the States where the Royal Governor has ordered his subjects to “stay home,” and all businesses to close, UNLESS he and his minions — in their Royal and ever changing discretion — determine that the activities you or a business are engaging in are “essential” (as he is defining it today).

    My friend lives in a County that is little affected by the Wuhan Flu. The County Executive has now issued a Royal Proclamation — issued to “outsiders,” including those in other Counties in the same State (!) to stay out of and not visit that County “for the duration” of the Royal Governor’s orders.

    My friend lives in a town within the County that is virtually untouched by the epidemic. The Mayor of the Town has issued his own Regal Edict to “outsiders,” including those in adjoining towns in the same County (1) to stay out of and not visit his town “for the duration” of the Governor’s orders.

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  21. Guyski says:

    Well, geez-whiz, this should freak out some people. 🤔

    A Bright Comet With A Tail Could Adorn Twilight Just As The Coronavirus Epidemic Peaks

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2020/04/01/a-bright-comet-with-a-tail-could-adorn-twilight-just-as-the-coronavirus-epidemic-peaks/

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  22. T2020 says:

    Read this article and you’ll pee your pants when you see how China just basically took over surveillance of this country through releasing a virus. Get rid of all your Google apps, phones, etc, because our freedom is hanging by a thread:

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/04/01/live-coronavirus-map.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20200401Z1&et_cid=DM495106&et_rid=841751634

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  23. sunnyflower5 says:

    This freak should become famous.
    This video should be everywhere.

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  24. Publius2016 says:

    Timeline:

    December Wuhan virus allegedly appears: “Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019—and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January.”

    save article: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

    Remember 45 banned China in January and the SHAMPEACHMENT VOTE was February 5!

    FACTS!

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      • Publius2016 says:

        better to save science article as digital videos are removed periodically and can’t be shared as simply as peer reviewed science journals…FACTS MATTER!

        honestly, watching Drs. Brix and FaucIII is a wake up to every American…these jokers model Washington State using data from closed nursing home! 45 pointed it out as outlier because he knows…remember, the man owned Casinos!

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      • ladyliberty11 says:

        Excellent. This episode is worth sharing – lots of new information. Would be great if the Australian 60-Minute video regarding the origins of COVID-19 could be shared at CTH.

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  25. Bigly says:

    I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere but couldn’t the argument be made that Nancy Pelosi held back impeachment in December while she evaluated the spread of COVID-19? I’m not saying this as a conspiracy theory – fact is, no one understood at the time why Nancy held on to impeachment for 2 weeks.

    If the left is going to blame trump for a “slow response” can’t we press for details on why she withheld impeachment if not to delay while COVID-19 ramped up?

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    • dawg says:

      I posited this exact reasoning for the withholding a couple weeks ago.

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    • gda53 says:

      Here come the crazy train. CTH outdoing the “Q” people now.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        keep making people feel like that cant talk.

        i find all of the politicians actions and timing of events against PDJT suspect.

        remember the no collusion report from Senator Burr that recently came out too? We thought whew its finally over! then this crap comes.

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    • Debra says:

      At the time, there were at least three sitting Senators still in the Dem primary race — my hypothesis is that they were still trying to formulate just who was going to be best positioned with, without, and when, impeachment proceedings going forward.

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  26. plumnelly1 says:

    FOX: Senator Kennedy, if all goes well are you prepared to cut another check for Americans?

    SENATOR KENNEDY: Well number one I’m not interested in anymore of speaker Pelosi’s spending porn.
    BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  27. OhNoYouDont says:

    24742 new cases and 912 new deaths in the United States on March 31, 2020.
    NOTE: Washington State has not reported due to technical problems

    —–

    Last updated: April 01, 2020, 12:08 GMT

    United States Coronavirus Cases: 188,647 (180,789 4/1/2020 @ 00:22 GMT)
    United States Coronavirus Deaths: 4,059 (3,580 4/1/2020 @ 00:22 GMT)
    United States Coronavirus Recovered:7,251 (6,461 4/1/2020 @ 00:22 GMT)

    —–

    COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
    Last updated: April 01, 2020, 12:34 GMT
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Worldwide Coronavirus Active Cases:
    April 01, 2020 – 648,271 Currently Infected Patients
    * 614,570 (95%) in Mild Condition
    * 33,701 (5%) Serious or Critical

    Worldwide Coronavirus Closed Cases:
    April 01, 2020 – 228,498 Cases which had an outcome:
    * 184,965 (81%) Recovered / Discharged
    * 43,533 (19%) Deaths

    —–

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Can someone explain the “recovered” stat?

      Recovered from what baseline? Tested infected? Hospitalized? Intubated?

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      • Mike Robinson says:

        It means, “didn’t die.”

        And when I look at these statistics, I don’t see “648,000 cases.” I see “33,000 that actually represent a problem.” I also see “95%” of the people recovering.

        “43,000 people who had the virus died,” but the statistic doesn’t say that it was “the sole cause of death.” Pneumonia from any source is a serious complication for elderly people and those, like smokers, with compromised lungs.

        Basically, what we have here is a virus that, for the vast majority of people who get it, is “a bad cold, hard to shake.” We do not shut down our entire lives for a cold. But we did this time.

        What we decided to do is a treatment that is far worse than the thing it is supposed to be treating. All we really needed to do was to emphasize hygiene. Like most viruses it is completely wiped-out by soap.

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        • L4grasshopper says:

          Exactly, Mike. It’s an undefined stat.

          Among many. That are used interchangeably all the time. Lots of misleading “apples and oranges” comparisons. No or misleading contexts. Etc.

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          • Ray Runge says:

            IMO the statistics employed to define an illness are mostly trash. Testing and statistics are contrived to exert control.

            Please, let us stress that equal energy and emphasis be given to treatment and proceed to duplicate the successful type off treatment AND duplicate a clinical process that permits the treatment to be delivered.

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  28. L4grasshopper says:

    Couple TN tidbits…..

    Adding to cancellations, the CMA festival in Nashville that draws hundreds of thousands over multiple days was cancelled. Nashville is estimating loss of hundreds of millions of $$$ in spending, and loss of tens of millions of tax $$$. So what to do? Why the leftist Mayor announced he just has to RAISE property taxes to cope. Hundreds of closed businesses just shrugged. Thousands of people out of work just glared. So far no spending cuts.

    Our Gov has resisted pressure to mandate house arrest as in many other States. He is “strongly advising” stay at home and social distance practice. Of course, Dem run cities like Nashville have instituted gulag orders themselves…..

    On a different note, Catholic Diocese of Nashville announced no public services until April 24 at earliest. But in preparation for upcoming Palm Sunday, parishes will distribute blessed palms outside churches next 3 days at “drive ups”. Many parishes are live streaming Masses.

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  29. Troublemaker10 says:

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  30. OhNoYouDont says:

    United States Coronavirus Info:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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    • littleflower481 says:

      I’d like to live in Wyoming..wide open spaces….

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      • lolli says:

        littleflower,
        I lived there for about 12 years.
        It has its negatives and positives, same as anywhere, but I am glad I raised my sons up there. A beautiful state.
        They have quite a few cases considering their population and land mass.
        Locals are praying it doesn’t infect the reservation outside Lander. Native Americans in that situation, could be pretty vulnerable (DIL family works and lives there, teaches on res)

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  31. MaineCoon says:

    Here’s an article by John Solomon on the exposure of the FBI in following any Woods Protocols in obtaining FISA warrants. It’s worth reading the lying words of Comey again as a. We knew they were lies when we heard them but hearing them in light of Horowitz’s exposure makes him even a bigger XXXXX (fill in the blank. I can’t think of a word big enough to encompass his actions).

    FTA: Often one to claim the high ground, ex-FBI Director James Comey lectured lawmakers in the aftermath of the bungled Russia collusion investigation, assuring them that the bureau’s procedures for securing a warrant to spy on Americans were top-notch and conscientiously followed.

    The FBI’s Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act compliance is a “labor-intensive” and “top-tier” program that protects Americans civil liberties by ensuring evidence is “very, very carefully scrubbed” for accuracy, Comey told House members in a closed-door deposition back in December 2018.
    Fifteen month later, the Justice Department’s inspector general blew a hole in Comey’s representation. His review of warrant applications in more than two dozen FISA cases over the last five years that found that every one of them failed to meet the requirements of the Woods Procedures, which mandate the compilation of documentary evidence in support of each fact in a warrant application.

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/epidemic-non-compliance-james-comey-left-behind-still-ails-fbi

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    • Mike Robinson says:

      Very quietly working within the curious limitations of his office, Mr. Horowitz has done us all a huge public service. I suspect he had plenty of cooperation from those “agents on the ground” when he interviewed them about what’s been going on all this time.

      A law can say anything, but it means nothing if it’s not obeyed and enforced.

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    • Thank you for keeping this alive in TCTH.

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  32. We have the cure. It works. Let’s use it and get back to work.

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  33. Sprawlie says:

    Save this video for when they try to impeach President Trump for the Chinese Virus:

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  34. sync says:

    Soon this will be a pension fund or even your brokerage account.

    It is in times like this that these multibillion dollar scams get exposed

    I know this is your money ( all 2.5 billion of it ) and it belongs to you. However, I have decided to hold onto your money and not give it back to you. I alone will decided when you get your money back:

    Credit Hedge Fund Suspends Redemptions in Sign of Market Stress

    http://archive.is/ySFEV#selection-2069.5-2069.68

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  35. Bigly says:

    For treepers who have been harsh on Steve Bannon, I think his hardline shut it all down for 30 days is ultimately going to be proven out to have been the smartest strategy.

    If this lingers for weeks after April 30, Bannon was the only one talking shut it all down – hard, if you’re going to go through hell , don’t tip toe approach.

    Just saying – we shall see.

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  36. Mike Robinson says:

    Scottish writer Rob Lyons writes this interesting article which discusses statistical modeling of COVID-19 spreading, the impact of those models on government behavior (in the UK), and also some of the uncertainty or simple unknowns in the process. This is of course relevant because these models are driving government responses everywhere. Stochastic modeling is the only way we have to predict the future, but everything depends upon how the model is constructed and on what assumptions it is based – and how it is used to direct official responses.

    (Footnote: As the article explains, “CJD and foot-and-mouth” is referring to an animal disease strain which was feared to be transmissible to humans. It resulted in thousands of valuable animals being slaughtered, and model predictions ran up to 50,000 human deaths, but only 176 people actually died.)

    The expert behind the Covid-19 shutdown was wrong on CJD and foot-and-mouth, and is probably wrong again now. But he’s not alone https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484622-expert-behind-covid-19-shutdown/

    Interesting paragraphs:

    Does the modelling justify these measures? Any attempt to model reality has to address three issues, all of which mean that models are just making educated guesses about reality.

    First, understanding the particular nature of this virus — for example, how quickly it spreads, at what stage in the disease it is contagious, and how many people will be contagious but asymptomatic.

    Second, the limitations of data. Some countries have excellent data thanks to widespread testing, but others (like the UK) have not expanded their testing as much as they would like. So models can only guess at how much the disease has already spread, the infection fatality rate (IFR) and reproduction rate — how many other people each carrier will infect.

    Third, the models themselves are only a simplified version of reality. They cannot reflect the complications of different situations in which people get infected or infect others. Capturing the specific characteristics of a society, and of sub-sections of that society, such as church-goers or football fans, is always going to be difficult.

    The modellers at Imperial have made some best guesses at all of these factors. Other research teams have made different assumptions to guess at how the virus might progress.

    – – –
    The real problem is the way that models are latched on to at a time when information is very limited. They take on a life of their own, rather than being treated as preliminary estimates, feeding into a sense that we should always prepare for the worst-case scenario rather than the most realistic one.

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    • gsonFIT says:

      To me the real issue is confirmation bias of the person modeling the data and the same group think of the peer group that validates

      Remember CBO is considered non partisan

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    • thedoc00 says:

      No Mike, the real problem is numbers being spit out by these models being used as definitive answers. There are made up mathematical scenarios that reflect assumptions and data. They are never meant to be abused as they are, even here on CTH.

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    • Deplorable Ukie says:

      Too bad. While Scottish writer Rob Lyons – with the help of Russian version of Chinese propaganda RT.com – focuses on the impact of the models on behavior of the UK government,
      no Scottish writers focus on behavior of the Russian government and the models that drive its Chinese virus response.

      ‘Members of Russia’s ruling political party, United Russia, have reportedly drafted legislation that would add Vladimir Putin’s name to the national anthem, two State Duma deputies familiar with the draft law told the website The Insider. The new anthem would be adopted in a federal constitutional law approved in the same nationwide plebiscite where Russians will vote later this year on a series of constitutional amendments, including revisions that will allow Vladimir Putin to remain in office until 2036.’

      https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/04/01/lawmakers-reportedly-plan-to-add-putin-s-name-to-russia-s-national-anthem

      If anything, I want to know when RT.com, the Russian version of Chinese propaganda, explains to the world the recent actions of United Russia, and cites the epidemiological models behind those actions. The Chinese and Russian asset Tedros Adhanom may be available for the task.

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  37. scrap1ron says:

    If this is true, do you still want to use any products from China? Test kits that not only fail, but have been contaminated with the corona virus. Act of war.

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/04/01/not-april-fools-covid-19-test-kits-sent-to-the-uk-found-contaminated-with-trace-amounts-of-covid-19/

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    • Eaglet says:

      IMO I think that’s what happened to Italy. President Trump knows this. He will not forget.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Niagara Frontier says:

      Just so you know, most long-term Treepers rightfully skip over posts that begin with the words “If this is true….” From my experience, that’s just not how this place runs.

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      • gda53 says:

        The number of wild conspiracy theories being bandied about here in recent days and presented as ‘fact’ makes me wonder whether “that’s just not how this place runs” is no longer a fully operable statement.

        Examples:
        – Nanci conspired with the ChiComs in the coronavirus pandemic to “get” PDJT
        – Fauci and Birx are lying and/or don’t know what they are taking about and are just out to “get” PDJT
        – Models are useless and are just been used to “get” PDJT
        – and on, and on.

        Really crazy stuff. Some might say even Q-like.

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      • CountryClassVulgarian says:

        If this is true that’s what I do….

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  38. Eaglet says:

    The Navy hospital ship USNS Mercy has accepted its first patients in Los Angeles during its support of the nation’s COVID-19 response efforts.

    https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2130375/usns-mercy-begins-treating-patients-in-los-angeles/

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  39. Troublemaker10 says:

    I Spent A Day In The Coronavirus-Driven Feeding Frenzy Of N95 Mask Sellers And Buyers And This Is What I Learned

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Excerpt:

    By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker — and that was in one day.

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  40. sunnyflower5 says:

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  41. Reserved55 says:

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  42. Reserved55 says:

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  43. k4jjj says:

    We are not ALL in this together.

    School teachers are still being paid . Other state and federal workers are still being paid while staying home.

    The government has made devastating choices about which businesses and jobs are essential to the society and closed those businesses arbitrarily deemed “non-essential.” This has the cruel result of declaring what a lot of people work hard at doing every day is meaningless. They are not “heroes,” they are throwaways.

    The government has turned millions of hardworking people into welfare recipients and wards of the state. Line up for your hand-outs, food baskets and payments.

    The worst thing done here is to rob people of the meaningful pride in their contributions to the society. Work brings purpose not replaceable by welfare.

    My own daughter worked hard for a university degree in hotel and restaurant administration. She has worked for years as a valuable professional in that business. Her entire industry has been declared irrelevant overnight. Many jobs in that field will NEVER return.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci says the coronavirus will dictate when people can go back to work. Leadership won’t decide it. An invisible virus will dictate it. This irresponsible quack should be permanently thrown out of America for his pivotal role in destroying a great country.

    America itself has become the dying patient. We are burning down the village trying to “save” it.

    We have become corks bobbing in the turbulent ocean with no control over our course or destiny. We are serfs ordered about and imprisoned by tyrants.

    Americans have never before let cowards, fear and panic destroy our strength and greatness.

    The lives of the weak, sick and elderly are the current focus to be saved at all costs under this tyranny while it destroys the future for our healthy young people. When the elderly have passed in the inevitable circle of life, we will have foolishly thrown away the economic strength of America and the hopes and dreams of our youth who are our most precious treasure.

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  44. burnett044 says:

    i want to hear less about mitigation and more about medication…..

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  45. Alex50 says:

    In essence we are in a near total economic shutdown based on the predictions of two glorified fortune tellers (Fauci and Birx). Models are very sketchy when variables are missing such as total infections, age, pre-existing conditions and intense contact with Chinese travelers. Even cities in which most people have been quarantined for over two weeks still seem to get infected and the vast majority have mild symptoms . Sadly , a quasi- socialist nation like Sweden seems to have the most rational response to COVID-19 namely using common sense and refusing to obliterate their economy based on half-predictions unsubstantiated by data or fact.

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  46. NJF says:

    Interesting analysis.

    Liked by 2 people

    • littleflower481 says:

      I’d love to read that but it says I am out of free articles and must subscribe. Anywhere else I can read it?

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  47. Reserved55 says:

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  48. Publius2016 says:

    Familiarize yourself with Presidential Election History!

    Once again, amendment meddling is coming to the fore…like 17th (a DISASTER), the 20th will be under extreme stress for Deep State Shenanigans

    https://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/PresidentialElectionEvents.phtml

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  49. Zy says:

    DNC is making alternative plans for a shorter convention in a smaller venue. How does this help or hurt their manipulations with Biden, Bernard, etc.?

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    • thedoc00 says:

      I remember following the 1968 Democrat Convention in Chicago. It was described by the media folks covering it as “decisions being made by a few “key” people in a cigar filled room”.

      I have show the numbers for the democrat nomination:
      1,991 delegates are needed in July, to win on the 1st Ballot.
      The are still 1,775 delegates to be allocated.
      Biden has 1,168 delegates and needs 823.
      Bernie has 884 delegates and needs 1,107.
      The democrats who have dropped out are STILL on the ballots.
      There is the potential of an unregistered “late bloomer” sucking up write-ins, especially among the super delegates.
      The democrats WILL go to mail-in balloting for the remaining primaries.

      End result: Cigar filled room with a few decision makes picking the ticket.

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