Why We Need Immediate Changes to FISA Laws – A Video Encapsulation….

This is a fantastic and well-timed video that cuts to the heart of the matter.  John Spiropoulos has produced an exceptional video outlining the structural issues within the FISA process.  This video succinctly outlines the modern history of FISA abuse issues and highlights why we must use this critical moment to reform the FISA process.  WATCH:

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Share this video with those who need a fast encapsulation of the FISA issues at hand.

According to Senator Rand Paul, President Trump is committed to seeing that FISA is not reauthorized without “significant” reform.  Senator Paul has proposed to significantly change the FISA process by forcing the DOJ, FBI and Intelligence Community to apply for search and surveillance warrants to Title-3 courts in order to access any NSA database containing private information of American citizens.

Current FISA authority expires on March 15th.  The Senate is scheduled to go back into recess March 13, 2020.  Additionally, the DOJ/FBI response to the FISA court order (due February 5th) has still not been made public.  If congress is going to reauthorize the controversial FISA provisions, they now have nine days.

Prior to the December 9, 2019, inspector general report on FISA abuse, FISA Court judges Rosemary Collyer (declassified 2017) and James Boasberg (declassified 2019) both identified issues with the NSA bulk database collection program being exploited for unauthorized reasons.

For the past several years no corrective action taken by the intelligence community has improved the abuses outlined by the FISA court.

Also keep in mind the deadline for the DOJ to respond to the FISA court about the abusive intelligence practices identified in the Horowitz report was February 5th, more than four weeks ago. The responses from the DOJ and FBI have not been made public.

FISA Court Order – FISA Court Notice of Extension.

It appears the DOJ is trying to get the FISA reauthorization passed before the FISC declassifies the corrective action outlined from the prior court order. This response would also include information about the “sequestering” of evidence gathered as a result of the now admitted fraudulent and misrepresented information within the FISA applications.

The FISA “business records provision”, the “roving wiretap” provision, the “lone wolf” provision, and the more controversial bulk metadata provisions [Call Detail Records (CDR)], again all parts of the Patriot Act, must not be reauthorized without a full public vetting of the abuses that have taken place for the past several years.

The position being put forth by Rand Paul is exactly correct.  Change the law so that FISA can only be used against foreign actors, and force the DOJ or intelligence apparatus to go to a normal Title-3 court for a search/surveillance warrant against any American.

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231 Responses to Why We Need Immediate Changes to FISA Laws – A Video Encapsulation….

  1. bigela says:

    it should just be scrapped alltogether. its already illegal to use fisa in the ways they used it. making it “more illegal” wont change anything

    Liked by 21 people

    • bertdilbert says:

      As long as the databases exist of personal information on Americans, somebody will find a way to abuse it. The abuses were going on for years and the FISA only came about to make it all legal, post criminal activity.

      The rush for the FISA warrant only came about after they were caught with Mike Rogers audit of data base useage.

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    • Rhi says:

      Here’s an idea, why don’t we prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those who committed multiple FISA abuses BEFORE we talk about reauthorizing or reforming it?

      Liked by 35 people

      • “Like” isn’t enough. You nailed it rhi.

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      • Paprika says:

        Pretty damn simple, isn’t it!?!

        If no one is ever prosecuted for breaking the law, then all the laws on the books and all the “reforms” enacted will still continue to be broken—opps— I meant unintentional mistakes will still be made.

        Let’s not forget that the often cited 17 “mistakes” for the FISA warrant and renewals were for just 1 single FISA application. We average around 1,500 FISA applications per year.

        And it was shown that around 85% of query searches were unauthorized; that makes those queries illegal and a crime. Just more unintended mistakes I guess.

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      • tommyd22 says:

        Clearly the winning idea of the day .. One thing most these White Collar criminals won’t or don’t want to actually risk is incarceration.. They feel pretty safe currently. Time to change that.

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        • Pale rider says:

          That’s my thoughts also.
          White collar crime can be more damaging than blue collar crime in many instances. When it breaks down our protection against criminals like these it is devastating and nobody is being actually punished to the extent of the crime.
          These people like judges, FBI, CIA, NSA, AG, DOJ need to have more exposure to punishment at a criminal level. The way it is now, they pop up somewhere else and do a multi million book deal. If money and power is their weakness, take it all away.

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          • “White collar” is not quite the term. Although non-violent compared to street crime, it usually denotes money stolen with a pen instead of a gun, This is Police State Crime–the Consent of the Governed and Washington’s Peaceful Transfer of Executive Power, stolen with a loaded National Security Apparatus.

            The violence is done to the American people’s Right to decide our own destiny.

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        • Jim says:

          Imagine if the average blue collar criminal who is just breaking into cars etc got the same kind of treatment as everybody who has broken the law in this whole spygate mess.

          This is so infuriating. I am grateful I can vent here and get support and knowledge.

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      • deplorable says:

        Get rid of FISA, secret courts, mass surveillance, and attacks on the fourth amendment. We’ve already seen the “intelligence community” will not police itself – it’s one big club and they protect their own. Recall how many times violations were exposed to the FBI and they “declined to prosecute”.

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        • Jim says:

          Exactly.

          We need to let our “representatives” know how we feel. And let President Trump and others who support FISA change know we support them.

          I’m doing emails right now.

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        • 55praises says:

          It (decline to prosecute) makes me wonder if the Deep State puppeteers control the judges. Think about it – if they have information gained by illicit ‘spying’ on everyone, everyone has something they want kept hidden. Then once the threat of exposure has been used as leverage to force someone to act or not act, that act or non-act can also be used as leverage down the road. It never ends.

          A judge or the DOJ have the additional problem of crooked decisions being used as precedent. Or a compromised person’s past decisions/ court cases being called into question. What a mess.

          I agree – scrap FISA. Stop the spying on US citizens.

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          • James Groome says:

            OF COURSE THEY HAVE DIRT on the JUDGES why else would the judges continue to allow the abuse to continue??? Well the judges could be extorted or bribed, bribery first then if they won’t accept bribes then you set them up and use extortion.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        What is the fullest extent? Are these abuses even considered criminal? And if they are crimes, are they like lying to the FBI or Congress, okay when done in the service of Obama, but crimes for Trump supporters?

        And, short of declassifying everything to do with these crimes, how can anyone be constitutionally tried in a court of law for these crimes? Jury? Habeas Corpus? Brady Material? Open court? Court records? Appeals? ???

        And how can anyone even know that they were abused? All they have to do is find ways to get normal search warrants for what they have discovered without revealing the poisoned tree. That or straight out blackmail of victims.

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      • lindashawn says:

        Too many are distracted now because of the primary, but most conservatives are still waiting for arrest. I hope they aren’t just holding it back for an October surprise. People will think it’s just political. July 4th would be a good time to celebrate justice being served. No excuses or false claims of “not truthful”, or “didn’t follow procedures” …”broke rules”. These people were treasonous and without conscience attempting to frame totally innocent people. They succeeded with some. If justice isn’t served we are accepting corruption; no different than sanctuary cities.

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      • lindashawn says:

        Too many are distracted now because of the primary, but most conservatives are still waiting for arrest. I hope they aren’t just holding it back for an October surprise. People will think it’s just political. July 4th would be a good time to celebrate justice being served. No excuses or false claims of “not truthful”, or “didn’t follow procedures” …”broke rules”. These people were treasonous and without conscience attempting to frame totally innocent people. They succeeded with some. If justice isn’t served we are accepting corruption; no different than sanctuary cities.

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      • James Groome says:

        EXACTLY … let’s see how many of these intelligencia wish to use FISA after a number of their CO-HORTS are imprisoned for the abuse of the FISA system… until there are consequences for the abuse of OUR Constitutional rights –
        WE HAVE ZERO-NADA-NO RIGHTS GUARANTEED by the Constitution.

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      • abel says:

        i wish i could upvote rhi. mike drop.

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      • Armchair Quarterback says:

        Parenting 101 — If enforcement fails to follow transgression……you get more transgression! The missing element is enforcement!!

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      • T2020 says:

        Judicial Watch said the same thing. Until the abusers go to jail, nothing should be renewed.

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    • Porteous Loop says:

      Politically motivated FISA abuse is a major abuse of the legal system, and people who knowingly engaged in it should serve serious jail time. If they don’t, Constitutional rights mean nothing.

      An even bigger problem is that some bureaucrats and judges believe it is their sacred duty to oppose President Trump in any way possible. They will break any law, including FISA laws, because they sanctimontiously believe that their political goals are so lofty as to justify illegal means to achieve them.

      Anti-Trump bureaucrats have become openly rebellious (I’m looking at you State Dept and DoJ), and judges don’t even pretend to hide their political bias (Amy Berman). What this poor excuse for a judge has done is not just illegal, it’s blatantly partisan political.
      I have no idea why Roger Stone or other members of the public have not hauled her arse into a civil court to be sued.

      In short, executive and judicial anti-Trump forces have gone full refard (and that’s refard spelt with a t).

      In my own humble opinion as a non-US citizen, when the largest ‘free’ country in the world allows its bureaucrats to flout the law openly, and when so-called judges abuse the centuries-old respect their forebears built by dint of hard work and hard legal discipline, then the US is lost.

      And when America is lost then we are all in deep trouble.
      So, why does a non-US citizen like me watch this blatant FISA abuse so closely? Well, I just told you. When trust in the US and the rule of law fails, we all fail.

      And we’re perilously close to it now.

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      • DeWalt says:

        The issues with the FISA is exactly the same as the gun rights issue. Both are a direct attack on the Constitution. The Supreme Court has protected nothing and in deed have only served as a vehicle to rubber stamp the abuse.
        The firearms acts from the beginning have violated the 2nd Amendment and the courts have allowed it to happen. Now with FISA being a blatant attack on the 4th Ammendment and the Chief Justice in direct oversight. Does it appear the Courts have your best interests at heart? We can no longer trust any branch of government.

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        • annieoakley says:

          Sadly, I agree.

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          • James Groome says:

            BINGO their assertion to have control of FIREARMS was against SAWED off SHOTGUNS – for the SOLE reason that a SAWED OFF SHOTGUN was by their definition NOT A MILITARY WEAPON. BECAUSE it was not a “military weapon” it was subject TO REGULATION. NOW they use the opposite meaning of the law to enforce it.

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  2. Maquis says:

    Very well done.

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  3. starfcker says:

    I’m still not convinced they’ve stopping using it illegally.

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  4. The Raven says:

    I thought it was the criminal Democrats taking advantage of FISA.

    The same way they take advantage of the court system in general.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      It looks like it isn’t just Comey and Brennan. It is also Rosenstein and Mueller. Criminals on both sides of the aisle. And think about the implications of Senators Barr (R) and Warner (D) working together, both on getting Trump, and denying Trump appointments.

      Also, nothing ever gets fixed. Boasberg report proves Rogers and Collyers fixed nothing. Horowitz lists systematic lies and frauds committed in court and Barr argues to not fix anything? To trust him?

      Barr could be St. Patrick, driving all snakes out of the swamp, but without fixes, the snakes will come back once St. Barr is gone.

      But Barr isn’t a saint. And Barr hasn’t fixed anything at all. Not the way recusal is abused. Nor the abuse of IRS files. Nor the abusers who decided not to try Lois Lerner. Nor the leakers in the FBI. Not even the ones who took things of value in return. The list of DOJ abuses is horribly long. It involves quite a few DOJ organizations. They have been conducted blatantly for the past decade. And Barr fixes nothing. He won’t fix FISA abuse, not even if they change the law.

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  5. scrap1ron says:

    Laws do not deter those with malicious intent. If it did we wouldn’t need prisons.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Linda K. says:

      It is not you and me they care about. The intel community spies on politicians and judges and blackmails people to get what they want for their agenda from lawmakers. I am sure it is quite lucrative as well.

      Liked by 3 people

      • scrap1ron says:

        They will spy on and seek to destroy anyone they fear is a threat to their power.

        Liked by 6 people

      • tav144 says:

        THIS👆 is why Epstein was not federally prosecuted before and why he got a sweetheart deal with the state. Because Epstein video taped VIPs and certainly politicians and other big wigs in “compromising situations” while on the island and that info was used by the CIA to blackmail those folks into becoming an “asset” to do the CIA’s bidding.

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  6. Gary Lacey says:

    So why does Barr and the Senate Son of a Mitch supporting FISA without reform?
    Curious, that officials that ‘shout uphold the Constitution from the rooftops’
    are ready and willing to let this pass as water underneath the bridge

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,”

      Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader on MSNBC
      Chuck is member of Gang of Eight and has has “oversight” of the IC.

      Right?
      Right???

      Hmmm……..I wonder how many “ways” the IC has Chuck

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  7. Shirley says:

    Watch the Judges eyes whenever he is talking. Sure sign he is lying his A$$ off.

    Liked by 3 people

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      Has anyone watched the Program “Person of Interest?” Or “Enemy of the State”?

      They are basically about computer systems that are able to spy on your every move, look at, monitor your phones, computers, video cams, track your cars, etc.

      Anyway, they can basically can do all that now….World Wide.

      It is not going away.
      But, it must be strictly controlled…”if” such a thing can he accomplished….

      Human nature…….What is your neighbor up to? What are the Israel’s doing?
      Who is having sex with who….

      So strictly controlled and used for only specific purposes is the only cure.
      But very, very, difficult….Human nature..

      As far as Barr…..Pfffft…..He is acting like some spoiled, fat, school teacher who is afraid of getting caught stealing kids lunches.

      He’s like……”OK…….so some people got killed”….”Forget about it” “Trust Me”..
      I won’t let it happen again. Yeah……right…..

      “Hey Billie….You got some mustard on your tie”

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      • DeWalt says:

        Ruby Ridge happened. Who was held to account?
        Waco happened. Who was held to account?
        Lavoy Finicum incident happened. Who was held to account?
        The only reason we know about FISA abuse is because it was the President elect that was the target. Still, who has been held to account?
        We no longer have standing in our government. They attack the President, our representatives, and us. Who is being held to account? No one.

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      • Jim says:

        When the movie “Enemy of the State” came out in 1998 I was like “wow, wonder how much of this they can actually do”. Clearly all of it and more now. It was very crystal ball 🔮 ish.

        Finding the Treehouse and having the curtains pulled back is so awakening. Most Americans have no idea.

        The video presented here is very good and indeed needs to be shared everywhere we can. It’s very difficult to get the general problem explained to young people especially because their attention span is so short.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      I was waiting for him to call them “matters”.

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  8. Cleetus Smith says:

    IF some law that accomplishes what FISA does are necessary, then we do not need to completely replace the law simply because it was abused. Indeed, what is required more than anything is for the law to be used as intended and those who violated it tried and imprisoned if found guilty. It simply does not matter one iota if we change the law to make it better, worse or just different if we are not going to enforce what the laws says. Without enforcement, future laws will hold no more power of control as do present laws. Because the law was broken is not necessarily the claim required to demand it be changed. We need to apply the law as intended and see if it works as intended and then, if it comes up wanting, we should change it. After all, when so many people commit murder we do not rush about trying to change the laws against homicide.

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    • slowcobra says:

      “…see if it works as intended and then, If it comes up wanting…”. It already did when they used it against innocent Americans.

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    • unconqueredone says:

      We know without doubt that the elites have broken endless laws, yet we have not seen them in jail. The founders kept the laws simple because every law can be and will be abused, and those on top do not pay for those crimes in this life.

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      • rashomon says:

        “The founders kept the laws simple…” because then one has no excuse for not understanding them. Take for example the Ten Commandments vs. the Koran, which requires volumes to interpret.

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  9. The IC wants to drag things out PAST the Nov 2020 election. THEY want to rectify their underestimation of the Deplorables who ( somehow) managed to defeat their plan to anoint HRC with the Presidency. SHE would have provided them with a “Friendly Environment” in which their Machiavellian machinations would thrive.

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  10. sDee says:

    Surveillance on a US citizen without a warrant is unconstitutional. That is where the problem lies. That is where it must be corrected by ending it.

    So long as we allow the government 24/7 unlimited “data collection” upon us, we are not free and they will use this process against us. It must end. Period. No reform.

    Where corrections are needed is in the private surveillance. The unconstitutional surveillance is carried out on behalf of our lawless government by their monopolistic corporate partners. Google, ATT, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Apple are the Orwellian scepter of government. Open data standards and new user agreements which: notify us when data is given/sold to anyone, allow us to opt-out of data collection, and to be compensated for the use of our data. Bare minimum.

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  11. rjones99 says:

    They ARE the deep state thugs reporting ti Chief Thug Roberts. The law is an abomination and any decent American would prefer the risk of a terrorist over the risk from these stinking criminals. They’re all on the wrong side of the bars.

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  12. Terry k Anderson says:

    What has FISA accomplished?

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    • sDee says:

      A lot if one is statist, fascist, globalist or tyrant.

      Liked by 1 person

    • TwoLaine says:

      A whole lotta’ power and monies transferred to the deep state.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Moe Grimm says:

      The use in absentia of Sally Yates “signature”.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      FISA provided legal cover for the continuation of the abuses that everyone was complaining about back in the 70s.

      FISA also subordinated judges into puppets with rubber stamps. The IC totally controls everything the judges are told. External review is not possible. Adversarial processes are forbidden. The only thing left for the judges is to point out internal inconsistencies and stop blatant idiocy.

      And what can a judge do if they find out they are being abused or lied to? It is a SECRET court. Even the lies are secret. Even a prosecutor held in contempt gets Constitutional protections. How many more abuses of the Constitution have to happen to maintain complete secrecy while putting somebody in jail for contempt of a Secret Judge, in a Secret Court proceeding? Do we have Secret jails? What about friends and family?

      FISA needs a major rethink. Maybe even scrapping. No bandages will ever be enough.

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  13. slowcobra says:

    The judge in the video, john bates, is despicable. They have something on him I bet. Seems like the ‘deep state’ is truly that.

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  14. dwpender says:

    Please, no more talk about “reform.”

    Secret, ex parte, courts are unconstitutional and fundamentally inconsistent with a free society.

    Abolish them now. Let’s not take a pointless victory lap if “our guys” achieve “reforms,” and then tell us they’ve “fixed it.”

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  15. Perot Conservative says:

    Old school. He has an AOL account!

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  16. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    “…these (violations) are of concern but I would not say they undermine the trust one should have in the intelligence community”

    Well….with that ringing endorsement, Judge Bates……
    it’s not just my trust in the intelligence community that’s being tested…….”YOUR HONOR”.

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    • 55praises says:

      He is pretty free in his advice to trust those holding the sword at our necks.

      No, the business of spying is obviously lucrative. They are enslaved to using it and will not stop. Even if the law is changed.

      An earlier poster is correct. Only when the current laws are enforced will we get our country back.

      It seems that when God was barred from the public square, accountability also died. As an ostrich (supposedly, I wouldn’t know) sticks it’s head in the sand, denying an eternal consequence to one’s actions is the definition of a fool. I have long surmised that ALL the problems we face as a nation stem directly to that barring.

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  17. Mike in a Truck says:

    Is the President under any Constitutional obligation to sign any bill that’s put before him? If he can’t use the line item veto, then just let the crummy bill sit on his desk for the next eight years!

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      That used to be called a “pocket veto.” I think its use is now restricted, but–alas!–my memory fails me.

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  18. TwoLaine says:

    Mistakes were made?

    You can lie to the FISA court and there are no consequences. They call it a mistake.

    If you are a Republican and make a mistake, misremember, anything you go to jail for lying.

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  19. Ish Kabibble says:

    Just observe, Judge Bates’ body language. He looks down and around, not giving one look into the eyes of the interviewer.

    He covers for the institutions very much like, John Roberts.

    When you protect those that are manipulating you, it’s probably because you’ve been compromised by some measure.

    This will not stop until people go to jail, imo.

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  20. tommyd22 says:

    While Rand is obviously correct in his take it is also fairly obvious that PDJT made a deal with Mitch last week. That’s just how things get done in D.C.

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  21. Elizabeth Raynor Short says:

    No FISA. It should die. Its only purpose is to spy on Americans without any probable cause of a crime or that the target committed/is committing it. Want to spy on Americans? Go to an Article 3 court and make your case. Ask that the warrant be sealed. Ask Mr Giuliani how it’s done. He brought down organized crime using constitutional courts and methods. The President can spy to his heart’s content on foreigners. No FISA or other law needed for that. It’s all a ruse to take away constitutional protections. Intelligence/counterintelligence lets criminal law enforcers in FBI/Office of the Attorney General know if its spying reveals a crime and the law enforcers then manufacture a bogus story of how they discovered this crime in order to pursue a criminal investigation and case against the individual – all based on an unconstitutional lie Enough..

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    • CountryDoc says:

      What is to keep other countries, other companies from collecting all the information on us. HIPAA for medical information doesn’t exist anymore. You wouldn’t believe what is done with the medical information that is obtained on you in the name of quality. Locus of that control isn’t with your doctor anymore. They must collect data and enter it, correctly code it in order to get paid. That information is used to stratify you. You will be contacted by contractors working for your insurance company and “educated” on which services to enroll in, “benefits” to sign up for, specialists to see, education programs to be involved in. More an more, your medical provider is not your primary doctor, it is your insurance company. They get your medical money first, they have the power to decide how it is spent, and, more importantly how it will not be spent. They can regulate your doctors into inoperability, drive them out of business. Your insurance company makes deals with hospitals, pharmaceuticals, pharmacists, pharmacy beneifit managers, specialty groups who are willing to provide their signature where it maximizes the profits of the right people.

      Medicare for All and Single provider health care (socialist) simply puts the rest of the power, money, and data into the hands of a few people. Exactly what our founders did not want, and goes against the free market system. How much money? 18% of the U.S. GDP or 4 Trillion dollars — 2 thirds of which is unnecessary, and can be diverted to whatever they need to obtain more power and political influence.

      Who are the people in power? Look at the lobbying rates to congress: Health insurance companies, large hospital systems, Pharmaceuticals, Medical Suppliers. The American Medical Society does not represent grass roots physicians anymore.

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  22. Retired USMC says:

    Burn it down…along with the FBI and CIA….Until then the Constitution is held hostage.

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  23. TJ says:

    From the beginning, the enemies of the Constitution started to interpret the laws, not in the plain language they were intended, but according to whatever their needs were.

    “Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:45

    Americans understood republicanism(small R) to limit the government’s ability to dictate what LIberty is or isn’t. When it’s interpreted as a limit on the people’s civil rights or omnipotent government, it transforms into a despotic(totalitarian) mask.

    “The Constitution to which we are all attached was meant to be republican, and we believe to be republican according to every candid interpretation. Yet we have seen it so interpreted and administered, as to be truly what the French have called, a monarchie masque.” –Thomas Jefferson to Robert R. Livingston, 1800. ME 10:177

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  24. In the 1970’s, FISA probably sounded better than what Richard Nixon had been doing. Little did we know at the time that the law would enable Presidents (and, many many others!) to do far worse things. No one is personally accountable anymore. The ones who are supposed to render the decision hear only from “the Government,” and have no way to verify what “the Government” is telling them. Furthermore, the actual number of subjects is – due to “hops” – vastly larger than the one person listed on the FISA application, and completely uncontrolled.

    So, no: “Bad law! No biscuit!” 🤠

    Both FISA and PATRIOT have turned out to be laws which created far more problems, and vulnerabilities, than they ever were [supposedly …] intended to solve. We should not renew them, nor keep them on the books.

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    • sDee says:

      These are not FISA problems or vulnerabilities being exposed by President Trump. They are the intended capabilities.

      Pervasive surveillance of US citizens, authorized by secret courts, based upon planted evidence were true intent of the Patriot Act and FISA’s expansion to US citizens.

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      • I agree. Days after 9/11 – and I have plenty of questions about that, too, but that’s another story – the PATRIOT Act “appeared.” All 900 pages of it. And it just got passed. The Government has since been clinging to surveillance of its own citizens as though it were an incredible drug. Apparently they “have to do it,” obsessively, simply because they can.

        It is a bad set of laws that, as you correctly say, have been intentionally and purposely abused … even by contractor minions.

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        • sDee says:

          I saw a poll of US Representative years ago over 90% admitted they never read the Patriot Act.

          As Sundance has schooled us – Congress does not write or review these massive bills. They just negotiate the price of their vote.

          TRILLONS are at stake. My guess is that the Deepstate minions and BigTech multinationals penned/lobbied the Patriot Act. Likely GoogleAmazonATTFacebookTwitterApple (GAAFTA) all of which receive billions upon billions from the Feds to capture, store and organize US citizen surveillance data.

          AT&T for example
          https://theintercept.com/2018/06/25/att-internet-nsa-spy-hubs/

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          • rashomon says:

            Add Five Eyes/Seven Eyes/Fourteen Eyes to the pile of “products” developed to gain control over every minute of your life. If the U.S. can’t spy on you, they contract it out to their “allies” to do the job and report back.

            As for The Patriot Act, I do believe that 9/11 occurred to hide the overwhelming financial manipulation and theft of our assets and then, let no crisis go to waste, further spy on citizens. Funny how those planes specifically hit the floors where financial records were being stored and Building 7 simply collapsed from fear.

            Our government WELCOMED all those foreign flight school attendees into our country who were later blamed for the 9/11 debacle, and they still flood into various training ports by private plane or boat without a peep from those who know their presence. Can the CIA, FBI, DoJ, etc. while cleaning house.

            And take “Dulles” off every airport, building and monument to the Brothers Grim, who did more to destroy our Constitution than all the communists, socialist and Bernie Bros. since its inception.

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        • mr.piddles says:

          The PATRIOT Act “appeared”. There was “debate” in Congress. American Citizens were “promised” “protections” from abuse. And the rest is “history”.

          That’s my TL;DR, anyway.

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        • 55praises says:

          I 100% agree with you: no personal accountability and likening spying with a drug high

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  25. TJ says:

    Flashback: SNEAKY Joe took credit for the patriotic act.

    “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill.” – Joe Biden

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  26. no-nonsence-nancy says:

    Abolish not only the FISA court but the Patriot Act. The whole mess is unconstitutional. President Trump should refuse to sign any of it. It should never have been passed in the first place. It all infringes on the 4th Amendment. We have been under all of this illegal surveillance for all these years.

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    • With one sentence, the Second Amendment, our Founders crafted a national defense policy. With one more sentence, the Fourth, they crafted a national security policy.

      They were wise.

      They realized that any nation is composed of its individual citizens, living in their individual homes. If they cannot be secure there, the nation is defenseless. If their privacy can be invaded and their possessions seized, the nation is not secure.

      We now need a new set of laws regarding surveillance that do honor the principles set forth in the Fourth Amendment. The rights of literally millions of citizens have been completely violated without their knowledge, and that is the antithesis of “national security.”

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      • mr.piddles says:

        Outward facing laws are not enough, apparently. If the likes of James Comey and John Brennan can’t SERIOUSLY be held to account in a MEANINGFUL way, then there will always be more James Comey’s and John Brennan’s. No outward facing laws will fix that. There should be totally separate legislation that specifically defines criminal abuses of the surveillance powers by Federal Government Employees And Contractors. Call it the “Federal Government Employees And Contractors FISA Abuse Act”.

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  27. litlbit2 says:

    “On 13 April 1934, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler ordered the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler (LAH) to be renamed “Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler” (LSSAH). Himmler inserted the SS initials into the name to make it clear that the unit was independent from the SA or army.[17] The LSSAH was considered a “National Socialist” unit, which eventually grew into an elite Panzer division of the Waffen-SS.[18]” Wikipedia
    USA answer FISA?
    Each of the Judges on FISA must be replaced as the video exposes they have not followed their oath to uphold the Constitution or protect American Citizens. Yet the current AG and the Senate leader supporting the criminal activity are still leaping up Taxpayer benefits for continuing the crime family headquarters in Washington DC.

    It is also time for all defense attorneys to put forth the case of discrimination of their clients in all criminal actions taken against them by the courts and justice departments in the USA.

    For those convicted they should counter sue for past discrimination and damages.

    There are not two sets of laws according to the Constitution, just one Constitution, one USA. Do not like the idea but fair is fair.

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  28. Publius2016 says:

    FISA does nothing but give Judiciary and Legislative carte blanche over Executive…FISA is used byDeep State to take down political enemies.

    National Security does not require FISA approval

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  29. Cavt says:

    Disgusting–these elite judges are just as corrupt as Comey, Brennan, et al. Sorry Rand, you cannot legislate honor and honesty. No changes to FISA will help.

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  30. Publius2016 says:

    Let FISA die

    Ted Kennedy insider special

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  31. randyinrocklin says:

    Mitch McConnell, head of the Swamp, is shaking in his boots! Primary his ASS!

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  32. DeWalt says:

    This video nails it. The judges never see themselves as complicit. They have one job and they failed miserably. It’s easy to see the problem when listening to Judge Bates. They simply don’t understand their part in this. Or don’t want to.

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  33. ewreck1967 says:

    We need immediate prosecution of hundreds of felons who are currently employed by the fedgov who tried/are trying to remove a sitting president over being butthurt the hag lost. Until that starts we are a joke as a country and I am truly embarrassed to be Merikan.

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  34. Daniel Fruth says:

    Good Job John….The Constitution was based on principles from the scripture, and 1John 3:4 says…Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law….To violate the 4th amendment is to violate the law!

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  35. Daniel Fruth says:

    Good Job John….The Constitution was based on principles from the scripture, and 1John 3:4 says…Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law….To violate the 4th amendment is to violate the law!

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  36. Zippy says:

    “Why We Need Immediate Changes to FISA Laws”

    But won’t get them.

    Next up:

    “Why we need a whole bunch of three letter agency personnel involved with Spygate and everything like it before and after indicted and prosecuted”

    But haven’t and won’t get that either.

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  37. TradeBait says:

    FISA courts are for losers who cannot achieve the desired ends of protecting our citizens without criminally circumventing our Constitutionally accepted laws.

    Rhi above has it right – prosecute the abusers first. Then come back with what Rand Paul states. If you are a swamp critter doing your master”s evil work you should be taken out and destroyed. No mercy should be given for designed evil intent and execution.

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  38. czarowniczy says:

    Let’s go right back to the immediate post-911 hysteria and those of us Cassandras in
    LEA and intelligence who didn’t have a personal agenda and tried to fight the Patriot Act. We argued that it was akin to giving a petulant and unsupervised child a BB gun and a case of BBs , but certain groups who saw the advantages of legally stripping away the last vestiges of personal privacy and Constitutional limitations on governmental actions against its citizens jumped at the chance.

    We were promised, PROMISED, by Congress and the WH that if we let them have this BB gun they’d be verrrrry careful, responsible and not shoot out the neighbors’ windows, street lights or stray cats. About 7 years later they wanted a .22 cal FISA Act too, they’d been verrrrrry good and if they didn’t get that .22 the neighborhood would be overrun with rats. “TRUST US!’, they said.

    Here we are 12 years after pulling their finger and we have a politically weaponized government with full access to every drop of everyone’s personal data, using the gun we let them have to shoot us all in the footses and setting the stage to tell us who our next sovereigns will be. The appointed have taken over the elected and the electors and it’s looking like Ben Franklin was right.

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  39. Baby El says:

    Reforming FISA is like adding more gun laws when you don’t enforce the laws you already have.

    Red Herring.

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  40. Alligator Gar says:

    How is FISA distinguished from Star Chamber?

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  41. EggsX1 says:

    These FISA judges worry me regarding the whole criminal justice system. If these judges excuse the criminality in seeking a FISA warrant – these judges will excuse the same behavior by the authorities seeking any warrant.

    We have a criminal cabal running our criminal justice system. How can anyone justify extending FISA, even if reformed, when the participants have excused all the corrupt behavior in the past?

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  42. James Groome says:

    When lawyers BREAK THE LAW,..,,. they are not “following the law correctly”… I get it… they are not criminals they just DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW CORRECTLY. Well I will have to apply the same standards when I sit a a member of the jury… the defendant did not follow the law correctly, he is not a criminal, he had no intention of breaking the law, he just failed to follow it correctly.

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  43. Bogeyfree says:

    Unfortunately FISA will be buried within Coronavirus funding and sent over on the 12th and IMO in the end PT will sign it, as the backlash from the media spinning how PT turned his back on Americans and this “pandemic” funding will force him to sign.

    Convention of States Actions Needed to bring about real change in Congress
    1) Congressional Term Limits
    2) Line Item Veto
    3) Balance Budget Admendment
    4) 2/3 vote needed to impeach in the House

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  44. Elric VIII says:

    “The IC GovCloud is a single integrated “big data fusion environment” that allows analysts to rapidly “connect the dots” across all NSA’s data sources, according to Chief Information Officer Greg Smithberger.”

    “Four years ago, the CIA awarded a $600 million contract to Amazon Web Services to develop a commercial cloud environment for the IC agencies. Today, the Amazon-developed C2S provides utility computing services to the IC.”

    https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2018/06/nsa-systematically-moving-all-its-data-cloud/149179/

    So, it seems that Jeff Bezos not only provides cloud services to the Intelligence Community, he also owns the Washington Post. Who wants to argue that people who work for Bezos and the WaPo do not have the ability to bypass the IC and collect information from the Cloud directly?

    Also, note the phrase “big data fusion environment.” Fusion GPS, anyone?

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  45. Just Beachy says:

    Get ready to hear all day long about how this forfeiting of rights protects us from terrorists. Barr knows enforcing the law will lead to tens of thousands of tainted cases. He seems to want to appear as though he is improving the situation, but not rock the boat too much. So far, it just seems like IC Amnesty Day. Come forward, its not that bad. Write a book. All will be fine.

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  46. Bogeyfree says:

    Think about this……

    AG Barr wants a clean FISA Renewal with no reforms right?

    So who honestly thinks he will EVER expose………

    The Wiener Laptop contents

    The 47 Hammer Spying Hard Drives

    The FIB Contractor Abuse

    The full extent of FISA Abuse going back to 2012

    The DNC server and how Wikileaks really got the emails

    The Awan Brothers

    My point is ALL of this above relates to illegal spying and so how is the man responsible for upholding justice and the rule of law going to do anything regarding the above “incidents” when he wants a clean, renewed FISA that allows for illegal spying to occur over and over again??

    In the end it is as much a farce as the DNC primary election IMO.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      And I would add, at least now, Americans can see who these people really are!

      Thank you Donald Trump!

      Now appoint Sidney Powell as WH Justice Czar with full authority to declassify, read and review any document related to the coup on the President these past 4 years and stop with all these other DC swampers.

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  47. Drogers says:

    Didn’t get not one damn part of this right. Had thought PDJT and Speaker McConnell would horse trade. PDJT gets his NDI while McConnell gets his clean FISA.

    Then someone tell me what leverage Mr. President has now to seat Mr. Ratcliffe that he didn’t have six months ago?

    *and with that I’ll go sit in a corner w/ my pointy hat on

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  48. Mike in a Truck says:

    President Trump just hammered Jeff! because he’s a loser.

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  49. MIKE says:

    I finally got a chance to watch the video. It is excellent! FWIW, I detected a harder edge in Mr. Spiropoulos’ reporting, and I love it.
    CTH + John’s videos, best one-two punch out there.

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