Tom Fitton on FISA: “The Key to Reform is Jail”…

Completely agree with Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton here. During a discussion of congress trying to pass a clean FISA reauthorization or a reform version, Tom Fitton says the only way to really reform the process is to arrest, prosecute & jail those who abused it.

Fitton’s point is similar to the CTH argument surrounding SSCI leaker James Wolfe.  If the DOJ had prosecuted Wolfe for the criminal leaks of classified intelligence, the landscape of an adversarial intelligence apparatus over the past two years would be completely different.   The same general perspective applies to the FISA abuse issue.

Barr: “President Trump’s tweets make it impossible for me to do my job”…

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279 Responses to Tom Fitton on FISA: “The Key to Reform is Jail”…

  1. Bob Parker says:

    The very fact that Tom FInton had to say the obvious on this, that SD has to author this post + have so many comment in support is a very sad commentary on what is not happening in prosecuting ALL of the bad guys here!! Blowmey, Crapper, McCave, et al.

    It’s infuriating, it’s maddening, & damn it all, IT MUST STOP!! NOW!!

    Hey AG (FU)BAR(R) can’t you not see that by NOT impaneling a jury, by defending the Rosensteins & Wrays the Deep State is Laughing at you & your underlings. As a direct result of your NON-ACTION you are telling the Deep State that they can get away with virtually anything!!

    Prosecutions, check that, AGGRESSIVE PROSECUTIONS against these bastards are the ONLY way we have to fire some legit shots across the Deep State’s bow & formally notify them that they WILL be held accountable

    I can only hope & pray that President Trump is watching closely AG FU(BAR(R)’s relative inactivity against the Deep State + his refusal/reluctance to de-class ANYTHING thus far. The refusal to prosecute any of these evil bastards CANNOT & MUST NOT STAND.

    Indeed, Mr. Finton makes a strong case as to why he, Mr. Tom Finton should be AG instead of the BLower of the Bagpipes AG (FU)BAR(R).

    And by the way, all of the photos of AG (FU)BAR(R) blowing on the bagpipes merely reinforce my feelings that the guy is simply full of hot air!!

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    • warrprin1 says:

      Since FuBARR was confirmed, under the Senate Majority Leader’s direction, we have shared worries among ourselves that the AG’s top priority was to protect the Institutions of federal LE from imploding. That ship sailed in 2015-16, Mr. AG!

      No longer is it possible to entertain this theory as the solitary basis for Mr. FuBARR’s recalcitrance – for his abject refusal to follow the Law and take down the bastards who executed plan after plan to overthrow the elected Executive.

      Barr is undoubtedly working to protect the Institutions, BUT JUST AS MUCH to keep the above referenced bastards out of jail, as well as counting on all this upheaval to blow over if he simply S T A L L S long enough.

      Thank God for Tom Fitton. Thank God for Jay Sekulow. Thank God for the insistent, persistent Lou Dobbs. Thank God for Judge Jeanine. And THANK GOD FOR SUNDANCE.

      Did you folks see Lou’s interview of K.T. MacFarland last evening? Like General Flynn, K.T. was subjected to a shakedown by the FIB, inside her own home, repeatedly, facing federal strong-arm attempts to sink her into a perjury trap. Sound familiar? They left no stone unturned in the pursuit of their self-styled coup d’état.

      General BARR, this is not going to blow over. We are not going away.
      You, Mr. FuBARR, are AG FAIL 3.0.

      Mitch, with his own version of 3-D nominee confirmation chess, is the globalist responsible for the AG part of the mess. Add in the SCOTUS CJ, and one is forced to conclude that these “Conservatives” are no better, no cleaner, and just as guilty as George Soros for the attempt to overthrow the nationally elected Executive Branch of our government – with plenty of assistance from underlings within.

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      • Pale rider says:

        It’s the whole government. There is zero accountability. From the DMV to the FBI it’s a free-for-all. Can you imagine a socialist government?
        We have people that do nothing but try to justify their reasons to have a job in government.

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        • Orville R. Bacher says:

          Looking more and more, every day that ticks by, that Durham is another head fake, another Lucy with the foot ball, and Charlie Brown (the American Public).
          When will everyone come to understand that the Deep Cesspool despises Working Americans. And with all the secrecy inside the Agencies, including the DOJ, FBI and CIA, how do we know that the U.S. government isn’t totally infiltrated by Foreign Governments and these tools (weapons) like FISA and “unauthorized/ no consequences for unmasking American citizens) isn’t intentionally corralling free Americans to the benefit of Foreign Powers?

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        • hitgirl18 says:

          I’d say imprisonment in the most notorious prisons in America like these dirty traitors did to hundreds of innocent Americans or a public hanging!

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    • Brewerbear says:

      Why do you use all the sophomoric name twisting… and all other sophomores doing the same… you people look like fools

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    • hitgirl18 says:

      I’d say imprisonment in the most notorious prisons in America like these dirty traitors did to hundreds of innocent Americans or a public hanging!

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  2. I strongly Believe that Barr is deep state coup also,
    He need Go,president,

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    • Rob Allison says:

      kathy – I’ve thought the same, but then I keep coming back to the fact that no AG will be approved unless the Senate agree to them. My suspicion from early on was that McConnell told POTUS who he could have and Barr was the result.

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      • hitgirl18 says:

        No, the president does not compromise his beliefs or values. I think he believes AG will come thru. I dont see Barr doing anything except pontificating over unimportant garbage. Why doesnt he arrest dems, fake news etc who committ sedition everyday which is harming America in important ways. There is no question Trump will win 2020, but the traitors gotta go!

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  3. TwoLaine says:

    Judge Jeanine is all over this on F & F right now, a preview to her show tomorrow night.

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  4. DeWalt says:

    I cannot imagine the government relinquishing this powerful tool. The unconstitutional bases of this court coupled with the fact the Judges have not admitted their failure to perform their only function in the process leaves me to wonder how any politician who pretends to his oath could entertain a renewal.
    That being said. Even if they vote publicly to end the court they will continue it in the dark. We will simply not know it and it will not be talked about.

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    • Remington says:

      DeWalt….A little frightening, but I think you are right…The Gov’t as we know it, is out of control.

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      • warrprin1 says:

        The Government, as we have known it, has completely broken down in its failure to obey the Law.

        I no longer trust our Military to protect the POTUS from this insurgency that has been officially underway since election night, 2016.

        Keep eyes closely on Eric Holder. He, in his work to manipulate voting districts, is no longer undercover.

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    • rigst4 says:

      Yes, you are absolutely right. Look, they lied for years about their activity to the public and to congress. Remember, Snowden revealed how the intelligence community lied for decades about how they spy on every citizen in the country, even when congress asked about it. Even with the broad powers of the Patriot Act, it STILL wasn’t enough and they abused FISA. There have never been any consequences. There MUST be. People must be held accountable.

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      • Mike Carrasco says:

        Snowden was no whistleblower. He was and remains a Clown asset. He was the tip of the spear in a turf war between the C_A and the NSA. He was used to infiltrate and then expose the NSA. With the all powerful SIGINT capabilities and enormous budget of the NSA the Clowns have grown envious and less relavant to a modern world. Time will Snowden for the snake he was/is.

        God bless

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    • I don’t ask nor expect government to “relinquish” this capability. Knowledge Is Power. However, we also need to recognize the need for, and the vital role of, The Fourth Amendment. This new ability to conduct “global surveillance at finest detail” is a very important capability to have, but it also creates new dangers … to national security(!) … that did not exist before. Despite our presumably good and innocent intentions 🙄 in passing these laws, we today face a brand-new kind of danger because of it. We need to recognize that we’ve made an extremely serious mistake.

      Our Founders knew that “national” security begins and ends in the home. It needs to be empowered and vested in the home, not in the government. The Second Amendment provided for direct physical security. The Fourth Amendment provided security for our private effects and our home itself. Our nation is composed of … not borders and armies and police forces, but … hundreds of millions of homes.

      We’ve put every one of those homes, and every one of those citizens, in a form of danger that they are not allowed to know about. We’ve made it quite impossible, too, for “judges” to make meaningful decisions concerning it. (How are they ever supposed to be able to discern that the proper answer should be, “No?”) We’re witnessing rampant abuse of the systems we’ve created, not only by elected officials and senior appointees, but by “contractor minions with zip-drives in their shirt pockets!” From a pure data- and security-management perspective (as might apply to ordinary civilian and business activities), this is a disaster … of our own making. And, it is extremely dangerous. Yes, to our national security.

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    • inspectorudy says:

      You bring up a great point about the FISA judges that no one seems to understand. That is that they were approving the spying on the POTUS and didn’t think it required maybe a little more confirmation of evidence? Just like McCabe, he didn’t inform anyone above himself that such an investigation was being started. All of the FISA judges should be investigated and made to respond to questions of propriety. How could they allow such abuse with no request for more evidence and help from the SCOTUS.

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      • Bendix says:

        I think they liked the feeling of absolute power it gave them.
        We have people serving life sentences in prison for exercising unearned power. In these cases of the FISA judges, it is almost literally unwarranted power.
        They need to be prosecuted.

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      • What other sources of information do these judges have? 🤷‍♂️ They’re only approached by parties from one side … the Guv’mint. There’s no one to represent the interests of the person being surveilled. There’s no outside source of information as to the truth or the falsehood of what the Guv’mint is telling them. The extent of the judges’ ability to object appears to be mostly procedural. Although it’s called “a Court,” it really doesn’t function as one.

        This, to me, is the Achilles Heel of the entire FISA concept. I think that we should go back to what we had … explicit Presidential authorization. And, the President is now singularly responsible and accountable. As things stand with the FISA system, the judges really are not “responsible and accountable,” nor are they in the position to be. This is why I believe that “this is a bad law,” and it should be scrapped. This 1970’s-era idea did not prove to be sound.

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    • But they are losing their cover to go through any legal channels. They need to keep the appearance of legitimacy

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    • hitgirl18 says:

      fisa judges were in on this coup, they allowed it and knew about it at the time ie collier and others!

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      • DeWalt says:

        Ask yourselves, Why hasn’t the Federal Judges gone after the attorneys who perpetrated this? Why haven’t they been called to the bench to show just cause?

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  5. Coast says:

    “Tom Fitton says the only way to really reform the process is to arrest, prosecute & jail those who abused it”

    He should have been saying this more than a year ago, including calling out Barr. Instead they constantly send out letters asking for money. I get one every week, sometimes more. Until Fitton calls out Barr directly its just empty words.

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    • mimbler says:

      I respectfully disagree. Fitton’s organization has produced more court ordered document dumps proving DS operations, than all the bloviating congress committees have even hinted at.

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      • litlbit2 says:

        I also disagree. It is very well exposed that there is not a path to correcting the enormous amount of corruption, lying, as most all officials in positions for this to take place are also the problem.

        IMO, Barr is not the answer neither can McConnell and not so sure that McCarthy is a help. These people raised in the Swamp and will not support their own bankruptcy or hanging! Just how long will Barr be in a coverup position? Who would be the,again most honest person to get his position.

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        • warrprin1 says:

          @ litlbit – Sidney.

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        • Pale rider says:

          In a free society we can fix this, and that’s the issue that has become front and center. As we the people are informed, we act to fix the issues at hand. That’s why America is so great.
          Tell that to an antifa putz or any liberal and they dont see it.
          Freedom is the only weapon that needs to remain, everything else is just a matter of work, and we Americans love a challenge.
          President Trump, is trying to clear a path for us to destroy this deep state. We can and will do the rest.
          Does anyone wonder WHY Bernie is on the stage, really socialism? That wraps it up, and end game, no freedom, that’s the goal pushed by globalists. No matter what these democrats say, they just don’t want Bernie.
          These youngsters don’t understand ‘freedom’ and how precious it really is. And when you fight for someone else’s freedoms, you are fighting for us all. That is the Essence of America. That can join us if people understand what freedom really represents. The very fact Bernie has not been run out of this race on a rail means, the don’t understand.
          The process of thought has been lost, if you want to know the truth.

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          • litlbit2 says:

            “we can fix this” the only path for the corrections. However, it would be more helpful to make the voting process void of corruption. As well as a process to hold Representatives responsible except every two years with the swamp picking the choices and funding. However the current Barr Justice Department has become the Mafia. I will let you name the “Don” running the cover. IMO, he knows exactly what he is doing. Bush?

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          • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

            That “process of thought” has been slowly removed from the American psyche during the past 40 years of progressive teaching. The educational institutions are an integral part of the DeepState now and there doesn’t appear to be any easy way to turn around that Titanic that is academia. Whereas the grade schools used to teach reading and writing and arithmetic; they now focus on environmental disaster myths, gender dystopia, and fantasies of free energy devices and perpetual motion machines.

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            • Charter schools. This is why DeBlasio and so many others fought so hard against them.

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            • Rob Allison says:

              The “process of thought” really boils down to critical thinking. Few people are able to do it, especially in the younger generations today. But contrary to what most people seem to think, it’s not the fault of the schools. It’s the fault of the parents. My parents raised us to think critically. They didn’t leave it to the schools, and we went to some of the most progressive public schools in America. But because of our parents teaching us kids, we were able to stand up for conservatism as early as junior high school and debate teachers and administrators with solid answers and challenges to their views. We were respected because we could think through an argument and take apart their position logically and rationally and yet do it with respect. We were some of the rare kids in our liberal school system, but we all held high grades and respect of teachers and administrators because we learned the right way to do it. But today parents don’t do that and the radicals of the 60s have indoctrinated the children and parents blame them. The fact is that we are responsible for our children’s education, not public schools.

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          • mugzey302 says:

            These “public servants” in DC, including the bureaucracy, should be audited (incl their families) every 2 years. Hopefully to discourage corruption.

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    • tacocat43 says:

      @ Coast. Disagree. Unless you listen to him regularly, you are missing lots. Tom and his crew are great Patriots and their service is unsurpassed. However, they are not legislators, nor the court and can only go so far as the law lets them. It is up to Congress and THE PEOPLE to hold these people accountable.

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    • hitgirl18 says:

      Judicial watch is doing the work of the doj and the other fed intel crooks! Fitton has been saying this 4 3+ yrs!

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  6. StanH says:

    Hey swamp rats this is why you have President Donald J Trump. I say keep up the good work. The American public has grown weary of your double dealing and what is overt criminality. Selling out of your fellow countrymen for twenty pieces of silver. Oh, and by the way as much as I loathe that bum Bernie Sanders, he is also emblematic of the public’s displeasure. We are in the middle of a political turning in this country, I would recommend getting ahead of the curve and prosecute these felonious swamp rats. But alas it would appear that you are in swamp protect mode. By your inaction you are sowing the seeds of your own demise.

    My guess a split decision, prosecute some low level Droogs and make a statement like Comey’s exoneration of Hillary in 2016 on the upper level swamp rats. “No reasonable prosecutor would bring a case and much less get a conviction by a (swamp) jury. ” Or some such nonsense.

    Then the NWO will hunker down and wait out the public’s tantrum aka our Great President Trump and his Deplorables and get back to the graft and criminality after 2024.

    The massive X-Factor is President Donald J Trump. He doesn’t strike me as an aww…shucks type of guy. What will he do?

    We’ll see.

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  7. hokkoda says:

    The GOP held together very well during impeachment, so I was willing to give them, and their people in Government, the benefit of the doubt on investigating the coup. However, it seems to be trending away from criminal prosecutions and towards a “report” which is shameful and cowardly. I wish President Trump would place a shot across the bow of the DOJ by ordering the immediate release and declassification fully unredacted of the Page/Strzok/McCabe texts. Give DOJ 24 hours to comply, and then start firing people who refuse.

    We have got to get this stopped.

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    • We have a better chance of being hit by lightening – TWICE – in the same spot.

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    • cboldt says:

      — The GOP held together very well during impeachment —
      That’s a low bar. The only thing “at risk” was Trump, not an institution. Plus the charge was an obvious joke, and the process an obvious sham.
      Each player in government has holding and increasing power as the prime directives. It’s all about them, not about you.

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  8. BoreMole says:

    Its surprisingly simple: if I do not exact a consequence for my children’s behavior, that behavior continues.

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Here Here.

      Social Psychology is as important a focus as the accompanying political and economic dynamic.

      Current actors responsible for Spygate, Crossfire Hurricane and the attempted coup have been identified with documented crimes. The criminal justice system has refused to even initiate an action that involves a court room.

      At the very least, FISA regulations to assure safety for U.S, citizens are a joke and recurrent criminal action is invited. Until the criminal abuse is punished, the system invites further crime.

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  9. jester456 says:

    It reminds of the laws for stricter gun laws to prevent mass shootings. What they did was already illegal.

    Passing more laws or regulations that they would have broken also doesn’t change things. Punishing them for trying to abuse the FISA process is what will keep people from abusing the FISA process. How hard is that? Unless you want to get rid of the FISA’s altogether but we know that won’t happen with a group that can’t even jail the people involved with this crime.

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  10. bullnuke says:

    He is correct. Unless lawbreakers are punished with jail time it will happen again no matter what new reforms are put into place. Release the classified documents to the public now, before the effort to renew the corrupt FISA statutes. Barr is protecting Rosenstein and Wray so nothing will happen to those involved except for perhaps a strongly worded letter.

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  11. TradeBait says:

    Well, yeah. We the People know and have known for years now. That doesn’t seem to matter, does it? It’s not how any one of us would get treated. We would be scooped up with guns and badges shining as our neighbors and family looked on with fear. The evil media would be all over it portraying us as villains and demons in disguise. The leftists would be all over social media using us as the examples as why their way is the only way.

    But instead we get the continuous waffling with “tick tock” and “troubling investigations are underway”, and “Barr will bring the pain” and “Huber will bring the pain” and “Horowitz will bring the pain” and “Durham will bring the pain” and…

    We are tired of the reality of discouragement. We want our hopes for justice and America being restored to a law abiding nation restored. Not for our sakes – for our children, grandchildren, friends, neighbors, and communities. Without there will be chaos as we have witnessed, which leads to the fall of America. The fall of America leads to the end of the age.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      “The fall of America leads to the end of the age.”

      There are a few, very few, men and women in the House, alongside President Trump in the Executive, who appear to be working feverishly to prevent this consequence. Each one, including our President, walks in the footsteps of our Founding Fathers, and in those of President Abraham Lincoln.

      The question is: how can we help, effectively, to preserve, protect, and defend this work with them?

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  12. cantcforest says:

    The corruptness of Congress and the complicitness of media is so widespread that I can’t envision the necessary reforms (and punishments) without essentially shutting DC down, either by assembling a critical mass of patriots to get in peoples’ faces, or by martial law. Of course, this doesn’t fit neatly into our being a nation of laws, but in fact we are past that already.
    Bless PDJT and all of you treepers.

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  13. Bendix says:

    This is similar to something I wanted to say last night, but I was prevented from accessing the site by some junk advertisement.

    You want a “clean’ FISA bill? Then give US something. It’s necessary? PROVE IT. This goes for the president too. I’m not taking anyone’s word for it. Give me, give US, give THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, a sign of good faith; good intentions if you will.

    I WANT AN ARREST. No teeny tiny peripheral underling either. You can start with a judge, perhaps. Someone just so far, far above the law that she throws it in our faces.

    That’s my deal; that’s my offer.

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    • rigst4 says:

      You bring up a very good point. The judges are complicit in this and nobody mentions it. Everyone says judges are mislead and they are not involved. Clearly they were complicit because they defend the actions of the fbi and doj. There needs to be judges jailed as well. There has been way too much corruption.

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      • Les D says:

        Winner, winner rigst4. The FISA mess should/can also put a spotlight on a high % of Fed trial court judges behavior for decades now. A bigger can of worms. DOJ prosecutors time and time again running rough shod, unchecked by the person in the room who is supposed to, nationwide for years.
        Sydney Powell, lawyer for Flynn, is 95% of the time a Federal appellate lawyer, a specialty. Most lawyers never do 1 appeal–whole different practice, civil or crim, complex “post mortems”. She has earned her reputation helped by 10 years working for the DOJ, Appeals Section. Now she’s in practice on the other side and does autopsies from Fed Trial Court’s all over the country, sees it all.
        Her “License to Lie” is a great book, I thumbed thru a copy, it’ll make you nauseous.
        There’s a trial judge sitting there allowing it, complicitly–not tricked or fooled.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      Bendix, I’ve been getting junk interruptions from “Adobe Flashplayer” for the last three days – only on this site. Hmmm. Driving me crazy – crazier than usual. So far this a.m., they’ve magically disappeared. Hmmm again.

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  14. Sherri Young says:

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  15. elarson says:

    Out of curiosity, in which jurisdiction would the hypothetical Wolfe case have been prosecuted?

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    • Les D says:

      DC, the bench warrant for his arrest June ’18 was from a DC Magistrate and that’s where Jesse Liu and Rosyscum completed the crime with his plea bargain Oct ’18, the sweetest deal anyone in US History evaaaaaaaaaaaaaa got for crimes so serious.
      He pleaded to 3 counts of lying to the FBI. Never indicted for anything else–clue #1 stuff was in the works post arrest at Rosenscum’s Office. Wolfe confessed to the FBI in Dec after a 3 mos investigation and resigned that day, but wasn’t indicted and only for lying until June. 6 mos of who knows WTF was going on. He had a good lawyer who did the smart thing, it’s known he wrote a letter to every member of the Committee saying they may be called as witnesses when the day comes.
      The leak that got him in 2017 was one of Carter Page’s FISA warrants, classified of course, which said Page had exchanged docs with a Ruski spy in 2013. Wolfe’s paramour Ali Watkins ran this FBI lie on Buzzfeed April 2017 and then her career skyrocketed. They started looking at Wolfe in October.
      Aptly named Wolfe, he & Amy had a relationship since 2014 when she was still an under-grad doing free lance, he was 57. He’d been married to a high level FBI counter-Intel boss. Also under the radar went stuff like he was the Harvey Weinstein of Govt Leakers–he’d been playing/plying young reporters a long, long time of his 29 years at Senate Intel.
      In support of the good guys in the FBI, they got a warrant to use imaging software to get stuff in his cell and got it by distracting him when he was meeting with them over the leaks and he was sunk. I wonder the brand name of that nasty software?
      Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson went with non mandatory guidelines 0-6 mos.

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  16. dwpender says:

    DJT cannot “order” prosecutions. Even Barr cannot “order” prosecutions, unless he is willing to handle the GJ process, resulting indictments and trials himself. This he would never do. He is, after all, a “7 levels up” administrator.

    With respect to Spygate, everything now rests on Durham (perhaps really on line-level prosecutors under him, who would handle any cases.)

    Barr will not overrule any prosecution decisions Durham makes. (I understand there is an “untouchables list — including Obama, the Clinton, probably Rosenstein and SSCI members. Durham already knows this. Beyond that it’s up to Durham.)

    We wait now on Durham, not Barr.

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    • mimbler says:

      Barr can and should be supervising Durham. If Durham is pulling a “Huber”, Barr should reassign Durham and replace him.

      IMO, this is indeed in Barr’s bailiwick to ensure justice is done. We are talking about prosecuting a coup to the presidency of the United States of America. What larger issue should Barr be occupied with?

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      • sarasotosfan says:

        Does it look to you like Durham is pulling a “Huber”? Seriously, why bother with any of this if you believe that is remotely possible at this juncture? We know nothing.

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      • DeWalt says:

        What happened to going after MS-13? They made very few arrest. Not like they are hard to find.

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        • mimbler says:

          Yes, that sounds like low hanging fruit. Seems like we just get the fancy speeches without the follow on action.

          Of course, I also don’t see why local law enforcement isn’t handling local crime.

          MS 13 is nation wide, but the actual criminals operate locally.

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          • DeWalt says:

            What happened to the investigation over Epstein? Instead of what he said he was going to do, Barr say’s he committed suicide. Warden gets promotion and two guards fired. What has Barr done? But he’s pulling out all stops to get the ridiculously un-Constitutional FISA renewed.

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            • mimbler says:

              Good point, I forgot that. The quickness of his okey dokey approval certainly looked like a coverup.

              I’m not yet in the camp that he has to be a black hat. But I am in the camp that, for me, it seems more likely than not.

              I’ll be happy if future events change my mind, but I have to base my current opinion on what I know so far.

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    • Durham first has to convince a Grand Jury to indict. Does the name Tomeka Hart ring a bell? Do you think her kind would indict a ham sandwich? Do you really think she is atypical? A DC grand jury will not indict a resistance person at this point in time.

      Abolish the Constitutional right to a grand jury in the 5th Amendment and Durham can indict alone, subject to proving probable cause in a preliminary hearing. That would take forever.

      The RedState blog still thinks that the indictments will still be coming from Connecticut. I hope so. Greg Jarrett also feels that Durham needs to try. I do too, but hopefully we will avoid a Pickett’s Charge.

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      • dwpender says:

        Loose — I have great confidence that prosecutors will obtain ANY indictment they wish, whether in DC or elsewhere. Prosecutors have total control of the information flow. Anytime a prosecutor fails to get a GJ indictment, he never wanted to get it in the first place (or really meant it when he said to the GJ — close case, you decide).

        I agree that a “DC jury” is an issue. Unlike many at CTH, I have confidence that even there, a reasonably impartial jury could be impaneled, one which would convict Spygate participants. Let’s leave this discussion for another day. IF we get indictments there (or anywhere at all), we can take that up.

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  17. sarasotosfan says:

    Barr had better be playing the long game here. Toeing the Uniparty line for optics, but with plans to bag as many bad actors as possible simultaneously. He is still assessing the depth of The Swamp.

    Let this game play itself out before jumping to erroneous conclusions.

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    • mimbler says:

      Barr going out of his way to gratuitously praise Wray who is actively obstructing justice, seems to be beyond toeing the party line for optics.

      Just my opinion, but that theory seems a little too close to the 3d chess theories for my comfort.

      Time will tell, of course.

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      • sarasotosfan says:

        Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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      • Les D says:

        And Barr did so the day after Wray’s press release about the IG report which many thought misconstrued the IG conclusions re: the FBI’s blunders–it did. Trump tweeted something like: I wonder if we (he and Wray) are reading the same report, and I wonder if Wray’s the guy that can clean up the FBI. The day after Trump’s tweet, Barr appears on stage somewhere with Wray and says something like: Here with my great friend–maybe just Barr using normal fluff stuff intro at a joint public setting. But, I also thought Barr had to know that sounds like a backhanded slap to Trump’s highly publicized Tweet. Who knows, maybe I’m too sensitive about PDJT.
        No way PT would appoint Wray now. Whomever sold Wray to PT to replace Comey was def from the deep deep state. Wray is the clone of James Comey. He worked directly for Comey for 24 months as his Asst when Comey was Deputy AG. Don’t have a clue who pushed him to PT or what PT was thinking then, but we know what he’s thinking now.

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  18. SteveO says:

    If only he had a law degree and practiced law he’d go far

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  19. Pew-Anon says:

    “Tom Fitton says the only way to really reform the process is to arrest, prosecute & jail those who abused it.”

    No doubt we all agree with this sentiment at face value. However, I’m starting to realize the inherent problem with stating the case like this. To “arrest, prosecute & jail those who abused it” assumes a certain “one-off” aspect to the abuse, as though things were going along perfectly legal in IC land until Trump came down the escalator, then all of the sudden the DS panicked and decided they better take the unprecedented step of spying on him, and now it’s just a simple matter of rounding up all the perps who committed this isolated crime in a vacuum.

    That’s not what happened.

    What has been exposed, and what we are dealing with is a domestic surveillance apparatus on an institutional scale. To paraphrase John Solomon, this is institutionalized domestic political espionage. I can’t stress the word institutional enough. When we speak of Barr being more concerned about protecting the institutions than about justice, there is more to that statement than most of us realize, while explaining more of Barr’s behavior than most of us realize. And this institution goes back at least as far as 9/11. To “arrest, prosecute & jail” ALL those involved in this institutional abuse (of which Crossfire Hurricane was only the iceberg tip) would require a purge of the entire federal government far beyond the capabilities of the DOJ. It would actually look more like a revolution. And it would probably lead back to exposing the crimes that orchestrated 9/11, and may not stop there.

    This is a REALLY big deal, and goes way beyond simply “arrest, prosecute & jail those who abused it“. To get a feel for the institutional aspect involved, listen to the last 20 minute or so of the John Solomon podcast linked below, with the reluctant Coup de grâce at the very end.

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  20. Jeffrey Coley says:

    As satisfying as it would be for all of us, it really isn’t necessary for the coup plotters and FISA abusers and classified information leakers to die in prison. Just the simple act of arresting and prosecuting these cases – even if it results in acquittal, or a relatively short jail term – would be a deterrent to others.

    And as we have seen in the Roger Stone case, federal sentencing guidelines for these crimes may DEMAND a jail term of a year or several.

    President Trump will have to give Barr instructions that these cases will be pursued vigorously, no matter what the feared damage to “muh beloved instatooshins” might be. Leaving it UN-prosecuted does far greater damage.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Agreed. Even if a DC jury does not convict, the DOJ/FBI FISA abusers need to be prosecuted, and ALL of the withheld evidence of their behavior needs to be put in evidence for the public (and historians) to have available and understand. Hiding the corruption evidence, and the abuse of power evidence is simply to protect the DOJ/FBI from embarassment and prosecution. There is no real threat to ‘national security’, or ‘sources and methods’. We know wires are tapped, emails collected, cellphone towers faked, laser-listeners from windowglass, spy-sources like halper/mifsud/steele, honeypot FBI chicks like azura turk and pedos like epstein are used, plants were put in the Trump campaign and White House. Lets get all the records out as prosecution evidence.
      PDJT can release it all, and should do so. It would actually make AG Barr’s job eeasier, because he would not have to fight FBI Director Wray….

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  21. What happened to all the ‘new and damning revelations’ we were supposed to receive from Durham’s “imminent report” that we were told about immediately following the watered-down FISA report?
    Disgusting.

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  22. Zippy says:

    Exactly what I have been saying here from day one. The -ONLY- key to reform is jail… which doesn’t seem to be happening for the right people.

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  23. islandpalmtrees says:

    Is this logic correct?

    Does the number of laws, equate to the amount of justice, no. It should be the quality of the existing laws. What other factors can affect our laws. Can the laws be effective when they go unenforced by Barr, by the FISA courts, no.

    Is this an act of fraud, since by definition fraud is an intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right.

    So is the expectation of law enforcement a legal right, yes.

    So does more unenforced laws mean more fraud, yes.

    And, who is this fraud being perpetrated against, us.

    Would you want the people perpetrating the fraud to continue, of course not.

    So what can I do if those trusted with enforcing the law are not doing their job since they were never voted into office?

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  24. k4jjj says:

    Please explain how the United States of America is less corrupt than Mexico in the upper level current USA federal government.

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    • I defy you to find any nation on this Planet Earth which is not corrupt. I think it’s the nature of the human animal. If you have access to something, access to which is illegal, but you think that you are immune to apprehension and prosecution, then … well … 🤷‍♀️

      The reality is that, for far too long, the people either did not demand to “drain the swamp” or did not perceive that they had the means to do so. Nevertheless, across the planet today, I do see a growing sense of intolerance. We are certainly not the only nation which is finally beginning to demand that its leaders and officials must be held to account, and actually(!) be subject to criminal prosecution if need be.

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  25. woohoowee says:

    It’s simple: In a self-governing Republic when the law makers and law enforcers don’t follow the law, there is no legitimate law.

    Even simpler: When the law makers and law enforcers don’t follow the law, then why have laws?

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  26. Right to reply says:

    We HAVE to vote out Graham/McConnell/Romney et al

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  27. Brett Hale says:

    President Trump is THE LAST opportunity we have to pull this nation back from the abyss. The fact that people need to be dragged out in chains and thrown in prison, or executed, has been voiced for the last three years. President Trump has not done what many had hoped he would do, has allowed deep state, leftist traitors to remain in positions of authority, and not completely cleaned out his own ‘house’. If it is not done under him, soon, we will have lost our country.

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  28. k4jjj says:

    Here is a link to the list of LEAST corrupt nations in the world today. The USA is not even in the top 20. here

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      • GB Bari says:

        Interesting for about a minute.
        When I see Canada at #9, thirteen positions higher than the U.S., I realize this is a very flawed list.

        The authors DO admit that measuring relative corruption is difficult, but they seem to think that the Corruption Perceptions Index, which is published by Transparency International. is the best way.

        Au contraire.

        Canadian’s perception of their government is shaped by their media. What do we know about the Canadian media, that Sundance has illustrated repeatedly in many articles? Canadian news is ALL government controlled propaganda. The CBC is simply Pravda Canada. Is Sweden’s leftwing-dominated Media any better?

        What about the U.S.? Yes we know there is a lot of corruption in the government. But how many people point to President Trump as the worst case of corruption (you’ve heard and read the untrue derogatory comments about him made by every DemonRAT politician and MSM news/political pundit who gets in front of a camera) only because that’s what is pounded into their heads 24/7 by the corrupt and extremely biased MSM.

        Extrapolating my points, one ought to be able to understand the deeply flawed methodology underlying this so-called “Corruption ranking.”

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  29. To my way of thinking, “what does ‘drain the swamp'” really mean? I think it means: Law Enforcement.

    Yeah … whether you’re a government minion or an elected official or the (Vice-) President of the United States … “if what you are doing is criminal, then you are going to be indicted and charged and made to stand trial for it before a jury of your peers.” With 150% certainty.

    Today and for way too many decades, that “certainty” was known to be zero. And as a nation we have paid a terrible price for it. There are plenty of people in “the Swamp” who would have us continue paying that price … forever. But, that is why(!) the people made the extraordinarily daring move of stepping completely outside the usual “inevitable” political progression and elected PDJT. This is what they wanted to achieve. (As did the Ukranian people, very recently.)

    And … this is what they should be, always should have been, entitled to expect.

    So, it is not “abnormal” for the People to be making these demands now. Nor for them to demand to get results.

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    • Bendix says:

      I sat in a courtroom and watched a woman plead her case before a judge, but she was still fined $200 (which she almost certainly could not afford) for running a red light.
      Her case was not unique.
      Why should a cohort at the bottom be forced to obey the laws the judicial branch says they have to, when the judicial branch itself is exempt?

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      • islandpalmtrees says:

        The tale of “The Emperor’s New Clothes” The judicial branch itself is NOT exempt. like the emperor’s new clothes. Accountability, will come – some call it fate.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Is the 150% certainty, the result of a short term effort, I hope so, since PDJT replicates must be hard to find.

      Stepping outside the usual “inevitable” political progression and electing another PDJT. May be more of a challenge, than you would expect. But all we need is another ethical billionaire to run for president? One willing to put themselves and their families through this crusade.

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      • Personally, as I watch the “Deep State” stubbornly fighting to go back to “what they’re used to,” they are all putting nails into the lids of their own coffin. Maybe plenty of people in 2016 actually wondered if it really was as bad as this … if it really could be that bad.

        These people’s subsequent (and, continued) actions demonstrate both to the American people and to people around the world that … “it was far, far worse than we thought.” And that it was 100% deliberate.

        I think that going forward the changes wrought by PDJT’s presence in the White House are going to be permanent. Never again will we look upon the Office as we used to do. What the Democrats right now refuse to accept is that we will insist that the Officeholder must be truly qualified and competent. I’m not sure if the Democratic Party, Inc. will ever come around to this acknowledgment. They might therefore become “defunct.”

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  30. Barr has back himself into a corner by not going after these guys. Now he has to prove why he should be trusted. I don’t see how he isn’t grilled now that his credibility has plummeted so. Same for Graham and McConnell. This whole episode should follow them wherever they go.

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    • Matthew LeBlanc says:

      Same with Sessions. Anytime he opens his mouth in public he should be asked to defend his recusal and all that came from it.

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  31. ldcj says:

    If Trump’s tweets make it impossible for Barr to do his job, then Barr should resign.

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  32. Beau Geste says:

    Lou Dobbs, do you read CTH?
    The DOJ and the FISC have proven they do not deserve a “clean” extension.

    Despite their extremely high Constitutional responsibility as a Secret Court safeguarding the 4th Amendment rights of unknowing and unrepresented US Citizens, the FISC rubber-stamped spy-on-Republican-Presidential-candidate Warrant(s) without any careful on-the-record HEARINGS or questioning about reliability or probable cause for the spying on a candidate and then elected President. The FISC knew this was deceitful political spying on the Republican Party and its Candidates, by a deceitful “2-hop” rule on a low-level US Person. An honest FISC which respected the 4th Amendment would not approve unbounded surveillance on thousands-to-millions of US Persons based on a low-level political campaign person, to get at the Candidate and then elected President and his staff. The FISC was forced by Admiral Rogers to admit 85% of spying search on its watch has been illegal, yet “trusted” this “2-hop” political spying deceit by a known-to-spy-illegally DOJ. Remarkably, the FISC has never disciplined the attorneys or oath-swearers for withholding information or fraud on the FISC, and has never withdrawn the fraudulently-obtained warrants to spy on PDJT “nunc pro tunc” (now as then) to make any spying a nullity so the illegal spies cannot rely on it to protect their criminality. This is absolutely astounding corruption by a constitutionally-frowned-on Secret Star Chamber court, as a separate branch of government, with an extra-heavy duty to protect 4th Amendment constitutional rights because the defendants are not represented. The sole purpose for the creation of the FISC was to protect civil rights of unknowing defendants. Instead, the FISC refuses to withdraw its purloined fake political warrants, to protect the illegal, unconstitutional spying done by the political spies under the phony, lied-for warrants.

    Carter Page is a known FBI/DOJ agent, not a dangerous Russian Agent as sworn by the corrupt DOJ/FBI (who thought “hillary would win”). Yet the FISC, even as late as 6 months into the Presidency of Donald Trump, bizarrely and corruptly without probable cause, ordered that the President should be secretly spied on because the FISC officially found:

    “The Government of the Russian Federation (Russia) is a foreign power and Carter W. Page is an agent of Russia…” [June 2017 Order of FISC Judge Raymond J Dearie]

    The FISC system is a completely broken failure. It was formed for the specific purpose of protecting unrepresented US Citizen defendants from violation of constitutional rights and stop Executive Branch spying abuse. Biased Steele-Fusion allegations were unverified (famously “no there there”) with improper nellie-bruce ohr collaboration and dem/hillary “dirty tricks”, which the State Department even warned the FBI were unreliable. Papadopoulous was not a dangerous “foreign agent”; he was falsely entrapped by coup-plotting CIA/FBI Agents with Halper/Mifsud/honeypot-Turk, an Australian Clinton-donor, and a failed attempt to plant $10K on Papadopoulous when he entered the US, with many disappointed FBI Agents waiting – all now known to the political “Star Chamber” FISC. There is a continuing obligation of DOJ/FBI counsel to correct the withholdings and misrepresentations made to the FISC (and any other Federal) Court. The DOJ/FBI were derelict in their duty to IMMEDIATELY correct their fraudulent motions to spy. The FISC was and continues to be derelict in its duties to protect civil rights, hold hearings to discipline the lying and withholding DOJ/FBI, and its duty to withdraw improvidently granted secret spy warrants to protect the integrity (such as it was) of this Star Chamber court.

    The political “2-hop spying” approved by the FISC against a major US political party(to help another party candidate) is extremely dangerous, especially with very large organizations, and especially political organizations such as the National and State GOP, where “2-unknown-hops” violates the 4th Amendment by making enormous numbers of US Persons unknown to the FISC, insecure and violated in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, by unreasonable searches and seizures, without probable cause supported by Oath or affirmation particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Because the spied-on Defendant US Citizens (including all the multi-hop spied-on US Citizens who are unknown to the FISC at the time these warrants are granted) are not represented to defend their 4th Amendment rights, and because the FISC has proven itself incapable of trust by granting and refusing to withdraw false political spy warrants, there should be a “Public Defender Office – PDO” established by Congress to review and interrogate DOJ motions for spy warrants. The PDO would have the power to subpoena FBI/DOJ oath-swearers and probable cause evidence-providers with their records, present counter-evidence, and depose/interrogate them for the permanent record in the FISA Warrant proceedings. In the case of corrupt coup scams such as “MOTIONS TO SPY ON HILLARY”S OPPONENT AND THE ELECTED PRESIDENT”, such PDO would have:
    – clearly understood the Constitutional issues of political spying, and deceitful indirect “2-hop” spying on the President/Candidate”,
    -required proof that Carter Page was a dangerous foreign agent (who was actually a known FBI witness asset),
    -asked how the FBI knew Papadopolous might be bringing $10,000 undeclared cash through customs,
    -asked about hillary/DNC fabrication of the unverified Pee Pee dossier,
    -asked who paid or worked with Misfud, Turk and Halper,
    -asked how much money Downer gave to the hillary foundation,
    -asked about withheld evidence of unreliability and bias of Steel,
    -etc.

    Such a secret Star Chamber PDO would have authority to file motions to discipline DOJ/FBI ethical violators and liars, and to withdraw fraudulently granted Warrants. The PDO would have authority to Appeal to the FISC-Review Court, and petition for cert to the Supreme Court. In view of the ‘need for speed” in spy matters, FISAs improvidently awarded by the FISC would be in force during appeal. But if FISAs were found to be improper on appeal, the illegally spied-on US Persons would be notified, for civil recovery based on denial of their civil rights.

    The PDO would further have authority to petition the Chief Justice (here Roberts) for removal for bad behavior of FISC judges (with permanent copies to the US President and the Congressional Judiciary committees for impeachment consideration).

    To divide both power and review in a manner contemplated by our Constitution Founders to limit corruption and protect civil rights, it is important that the PDO would NOT report to or be selected by the DOJ or Congress. PDO Attorneys would be hired and fired at will by the President (which could be delegated), and report to the President through the Office of White House Counsel. Even crooked, complicit FISC judges could no longer rely on secrecy to hide abuse, so would need to be more careful. 

    The Attorney General/DOJ is effectively selected and controlled by the Senate. The Senate approves the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who now appoints the FISC judges. But it would be better for separation of power if the Senate was required to vet and approve the FISC judges, and the FISC Appellate judge(s). With the PDO appointed by ONLY the President, a separate avenue of review and 4th Amendment protection is created for unrepresented US citizens, and the defensive power and review to prevent illegal spying is dispersed to the President within Constitutional duties to Protect the Constitution and Take Care to faithfully enforce the laws. But the President is granted NO NEW POWER TO SPY ON US CITIZENS, but just to protect them.

    As indicated, Congressional revision of the FISC should also require notification of US Persons who have been illegally spied on, and make use of illegal spying subject to civil damages. The Congress should also limit the term of FISC appointment, perhaps to 3 years. “Power corrupts, and absolute (and secret )power corrupts absolutely.

    Representative Jordan has proposed an “amicus”. Who picks the amici (easy corruption!!)? Do amici have any authority to oppose wrongdoing , by motion, subpoena, appeal, report to the President/Congress? The FISC has proposed an “amicus” could be appointed BY THE FISC to review its proceedings. The FISC already has a staff of lawyers IT HIRES, and has recently hired its own “amicus” with a history apparently inconsistent with being an independent advocate for 4th Amendment unrepresented defendants. This is a clearly inadequate, even an insulting proposal to correct a secret Star Chamber system which has proven itself designed to engage in and protect civil rights abuse..

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    • Beau Geste says:

      The super-secret Star Chamber FISC court is now set up with only 7 unvetted judges, no Appeal review of issued warrants, no public review of its standards, practice and behavior, and no adversarial representation to question DOJ/FBI agents known to misrepresent and spy illegally. The current secret system is a ripe target for being “fixed” by crony appointments and unmonitored, unreviewed, unpunished constitution-violating misbehavior. Even if there is no way to select judges with a commitment to the rights of US Citizens, and a skepticism for DOJ representations, a power-and review dispersed system can force judges to be more careful to avoid blatant political spying and clear denial of civil rights.

      I strongly believe that the FISC political-spy failure is far worse than the DOJ/FBI ethical misbehavior and lying, as bad as that is. The FISC is the bulwark established with the SOLE DUTY of, and the responsibility for, preventing what the DOJ/FBI did. Astoundingly for a court solely and exclusively responsible for protection of Constitutional rights, the FISC says it has no records of inquiry or proceedings in its unvetted warrants to politically spy on the President of the USA. They did not ask “Why are you trying to spy on hillary’s opponent and the entire Republican Party from this low-level carter page ‘target’? Is an Annapolis Navy Officer really a russian spy? Tell us more, while our court reporter and microphones permanently record you for the permanent record in case you lie or withhold or misrepresent !!! Why are we constitutionally allowed to issue a secret Warrant to “multiple hop” indirectly spy on a President and his entire political party, Cabinet Members and White House Staff who are not identified as the “target”, with no probable cause? How did you vet the pee pee dossier, and what does it have to do with ‘target’ carter page?”

      The FISC was forced by Admiral Rogers to admit 85% of past DOJ/FBI “unmasking” spying was illegal, but as watchdog the FISC did nothing. DOJ attorneys are known to lie. But astoundingly, the FISC did not even make a record. The FISC could still haul the DOJ/FBI into Court and grill them under oath, on the record. And disbar/fine/imprison them. If the FISC did their only job to prevent political spying, the past 85% illegal spying stays illegal, no political FISA would have been issued.

      Division of power and outside public appeal and review are the way our Founders tried to prevent corruption. There is no disinfecting public Brandeis sunlight to penetrate this secret cesspool, but review and advocacy can be applied to do some pasteurization. There needs to be a Public Defender’s Office outside the FISC and DOJ/FBI to watch the DOJ/FBI and provide review of wrongful spy warrants. The PDO would receive DOJ/FBI spy Motions to the FISC, have authority to cross-examine and subpoena, move to discipline unethical DOJ counsel, appeal wrongful and/or overbroad FISA issuance, monitor the spying actually carried out under FISA Warrants to make sure it complies with legitimate Warrant scope and is only used for legitimate purpose, and recommend removal of corrupt/incompetent secret Star Chamber judges. 
      If Congress does not fix this, IMHO the President has the Constitutional authority under his requirement to Protect the Constitution and “Take Care” that the laws are faithfully (and equally) executed, to appoint adversarial counsel to represent unrepresented-unknowing US Citizens from “fake-evidence” overreach, overbroad warrants, misuse of spy information, and lack of probable cause in FISC proceedings. 
      It would also be good politically for PDJT to do so publicly, given the current reputation of the DOJ/FBI for unequal prosecution and violating US Citizen rights “So this won’t ever happen to US Presidents and Citizens again…”
      PDJT can instruct White House counsel to appear in the “carter page” FISA case, to request withdrawal of ALL the fake, fraudulent FISAs, and to discipline the lying, withholding DOJ/FBI oath-signers, and unethical counsel.

      This can be a fully public motion, based on public information and findings of IG Horowitz and other public information.

      PDJT can also release other (currently-‘redacted’ and withheld) records for the motions. These withheld records do not protect national security – they only protect the DOJ/FBI/obama-administration from embarrassment, civil damages, and/or criminal prosecution for illegal political spying.

      The deep state DOJ/FBI and/or crooked FISC might try to claim lack of ‘standing’, or that under 28 U.S.C. § 516 et sec the President has no authority to appear in the FISC. But PDJT as elected President HAS SEPARATE Constitutional Authority and responsibility to “protect and defend the Constitution”, and is required to “Take Care” that the laws are faithfully executed, INDEPENDENT OF Statute, or DOJ or Senate approval. And, PDJT has standing both as Constitutional President, and as a US Person, among the thousands-to-millions of Republicans politically and illegally authorized to be spied on by the deceptive “2-hop” rule, which is a patently illegal violation of the 4th Amendment.

      This would politically put the President in the position of defending the public from illegal spying by a rogue DOJ/FBI and FISC. A desperate DEM claim of “abuse of power” or “interfering with AG Barr” would be a disaster for them.

      PDJT is not “helpless” as President, despite Barr’s “keep off my grass” threats. Equal treatment under the law, due process, 4th Amendment rights, honest and ethical DOJ/FBI behavior, and honest FISC defense of civil rights, are clearly the President’s Constitutional territory.
      Here is a suggested draft outline of a very simple, proposed Motion in the crooked FISC, under the Constitutional duties and authority of the President. It would be filed by the White House Office of the President Counsel, on behalf of the President. It would also be filed by Rudy Guliani or other personal Trump lawyer, on behalf of Donald Trump individually, for having been spied on illegally under a “2-hop” rule from deceptively-named ‘target’ carter page, a CIA/FBI agent who s not a Russian Agent as falsely alleged by the DOJ. The Motion would NOT be classified or “secret”, because it can rely only on public information and IG Horowitz Findings. And any other still-hidden evidence can be released to the public, say in response to any DOJ opposition. There is plenty of caselaw to to support withdrawal of improvidently granted motions based on unethical practice, and lies. Discipline of malfeasance and misfeasance, fraud on the court, etc. is essential to maintain the integrity of any federal court, especially a secret Star Chamber court which admits reliance on truthful and ethical DOJ behavior, and heavy FISC burden of protecting civil rights.
      The Motion would be public. Denial or refusal of the Motion could be publicly presented to the Supreme Court by the President via counsel. PDJT could declassify ALL appropriate records so the public could follow the proceedings.

      The FISC and Supreme Court would be hard pressed to deny “standing” of the Elected President, as Constitutional President defending civil rights of US Citizens to intervene, because of the Constitutional requirements and duties of the President, and because the President himself was under illegal surveillance from fraudulent Warrants.

      This would be a useful public motion instead of “tweets” objected to by AG Barr. PDJT supports the Constitutional civil rights of “We the People”. Barr would agree, or publicly support “rights” of the DOJ/FBI to lie, spy, and attack politically. If refused, the public would have to confront the fact that the FISC and DOJ deny civil rights and continue to protect illegal political spies and illegal political l spying.

      Sidney Powell could do a much better draft for public understanding, but here goes:

      UNITED STATES
      FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT
      WASHINGTON, DC

      IN RE CARTER W. PAGE, A U.S.
      PERSON

      DOCKET NUMBER:

      Motion to Withdraw Improvidently Granted FISA Warrants and Extensions.

      Motion for Hearing to Discipline DOJ and FBI Personnel for Ethical Violations, Misleading and withholding relevant information from this court including fraud on This Court, and Denial of Civil Rights under Color of Law.

      This Motion is made by the Office of White House Counsel on behalf of the Elected President of The United States, Donald J. Trump, under authority and duties of his sworn Constitutional Oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. It is also made on behalf of Donald Trump personally, as a US Person illegally spied on under the above identified wrongfully obtained Warrants and extensions.

      The founding purpose of this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is to protect the civil rights of US Citizens, including those of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution that:
      “[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized,”

      FACTS-BRIEF ARGUMENT
      [discussion of flaws and malfeasance/misfeasance, misrepresentation, failure of duty to verify, failure of duty to immediately advise the Court of “new” or erroneous evidence, false statements and oaths….]
      [This court’s extra-heavy duty to protect the integrity of its proceedings because defendants are not represented. Malfeasance and misfeasance must be severely disciplined to protect the integrity of this Court’s proceedings…]
      [the GOP, Presidential Campaign, the GOP Presidential Candidate, and the Elected President were spied on based on the aboveidentified , political, overbroad, unconstitutional warrants…]

      [The FISC should not engage in deceit to authorize spying on those not specifically identified as the ‘targets”. Due process for reasonable searches under the 4th Amendment require particular description of the “target” describing the place to be searched, and the things to be spied on. Here, PDJT and his staff/advisors were the actual known “targets” intended for spying by the DOJ/FBI. Mr. Comey even denied (under criminal penalty of 18 USC 1001) to PDJT that he was the ‘target’. But the FISC participated in issuing a Warrant which authorized political surveillance on thousands to millions of US citizens associated with or communicating with the Republican Party or its Candidates, employees, advisors, counsel, contractors, advisors and others, as deceitfully intended by the DOJ/FBI. ] Due process does not permit deceit .

      [Unwarranted secrecy only protects fraud, illegality and embarrassment of the DOJ/FBI. There is no legitimate reason to classify or withhold from those surveilled, notice to them of their surveillance under this FISA Warrant or extensions, or the nature of places or persons searched or seized relating to each such US Person.]

      Relief requested
      It is requested this this Court Order:
      1. The immediate, complete withdrawal of its above identified FISA Warrant and all subsequent extensions thereof, nunc pro tunc (now as then), as if they had never been granted, so that they cannot function to protect or authorize any past or ongoing surveillance.
      2. Notification of each and every US Person who has been surveilled under this FISA Warrant including its extensions, the information collected, and the ways in which the information was used, by whom, so that such US Persons can seek redress for violation of civil rights.
      3. Hearings to determine and impose appropriate discipline for ethical violations, perjury, malfeasance and misfeasance by DOJ and FBI personnel relating to the authorization, preparation, representation, support or presentation of this FISA Warrant or its extensions to or in this Court.

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  33. Summer says:

    I gave Barr the benefit of the doubt in the past but alas, I am starting to think that his goal is just to salvage the corrupt institution while creating the appearances of a serious, unbiased, apolitical, methodical and pragmatic AG “doing something” the tick tock club claimed he would be doing. Even worse, his replacement won’t solve anything, just prolong the Kabuki show when another alleged savior would arrive at the scene. Rinse and repeat.

    As to the question of FISA…

    The Patriot Act is unconstitutional and must be repealed, not merely reformed. The negatives outweigh the so-called positives, in my opinion. The whole concept of FISA must be nuked because the potential for abuse will still be huge. Saying that the rules will be faithfully followed from now on, after we witnessed that everyone who grossly abused them In the recent past largely got away with it is an insult to our intelligence. Fool me once… and all that. Crimes cannot be prevented this way.

    By the way, has the DOJ ever addressed the public perception of double standards and two-tier justice? I am not aware of any public statements.

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  34. AG Barr owes the President and the COUNTRY an explanation why the obviously corrupt FBI/DOJ personnel have not been charged. If he does not, he owes the President his resignation or let him suffer the humility of being fired for gross incompetence. I’ll give him 24 hours to make a mess or get off the pot.

    Who’s next?

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  35. spren says:

    Barr said Trump’s tweets were making it impossible for him to do his job! Tweets or no tweets we have seen little evidence that Barr is actually doing anything. Other than his few appearances at conservative forums where he blathers out all the right things people want to hear, he has not done anything apparent of substance to address the treasonous coup by the very people he presides over.

    Like many Treepers, I was initially hopeful that Barr/Durham were finally going to start seriously busting these traitors. My hope has waned greatly due to his pontification and inaction. He seems to be trying to run the clock out and is much more devoted to protecting his DOJ institutions than the freedom of the American people. I hope he proves me to be completely wrong, but seeing is believing, and I don’t like what I’m seeing.

    And what a lame and pathetic boo hoo about Trump’s tweets. Trump has been under seige from all sides for 5 years now with daily onslaughts of lies, insults, and smears and yet has been enormously successful at carrying out his agenda and fulfilling campaign promises. Barr is a snowflake if he thinks the minor distractions of Trump’s tweets even compare to the challenges Trump successfully overcomes.

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  36. James Groome says:

    Juries are being impaneled everyday…. when you are on one… refuse to convict ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT CHARGES which are not murder, kidnapping, or a direct theft from a FELLOW CITIZEN until they begin to hold their own accountable… if DC juries fail to convict democrats then FLYOVER can REFUSE to convict a republican.

    TWO CAN PLAY THIS GAME… as for me, I will use their own game against them… please oh please call me for jury duty…

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Agreed, James. Not just “flyover”. All US Citizens should refuse to convict any such FBI/DOJ charges. Until the DOJ/FBI get cleaned out, convicted themselves, and apply the law equally, their attacks on people need to be resisted by refusal to convict based on their untrustworthy behavior. In fact, the FBI is not trustworthy, and should not be believed. The FBI/DOJ has been proven to withhold required evidence, forcing defendants they are biased against to go broke trying to get it, while giving a pass to their buddies and ‘connected” criminals. The corrupt prosecution is the punishment.

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  37. CharterOakie says:

    Trying to find a silver lining: does Barr want a clean reauthorization in order not to disrupt ongoing FISA-approved surveillance of certain DS actors?

    If not, then to hell with his request. Show us the indictments first.

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  38. Grant Hodges says:

    I can’t think of any reason to say that Barr is on our side. It’s just wishfulness, unless a few rhetorical scraps pitched the way of us slavering cringing curs should suffice. I don’t think it does. What you do is what you are. He has protected the Deep Staters at every turn; he had a deep state pedigree. Barr needs fired; an acting DOJ chief must be installed that would prosecute the perps (he must be “acting” because anyone who will get to the bottom of things will not be confirmed. Until everybody is in jail that spied, lied, hid evidence, and committed treason, we cannot have a permanent DOJ that the Senate would approve. Maybe . . . never. The Senate is just as bad. Men that stand by and say nothing like one of my senators, Todd Young, has been quiet as a mouse thoughout this entire episode. Only Democrats are worse.

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  39. Related-

    Mark Tapscott at PJM points out that FISA re-authorization is buried in the coronavirus emergency funding legislation.

    Sure wish we could have one item, single budget line item voting and veto power for Trump, without playing hide the football or corrupt bring home the bacon money for every crooked congress thing…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/fisa-to-be-re-upped-spygate-reforms-delayed-careful-reading-of-the-coronavirus-emergency-funding-b/

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  40. 1gr8dane says:

    Our President has said on more than1 occasion that HE has nothing but the highest respect for Bill Barr. Regardless of what may be being interpreted here Barr has not been in our Presidents crosshairs of criticism. If he trusts him there may be good reason to do so also – the President is always 10 steps ahead of everyone else.

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  41. coldanger says:

    And Barr will never allow that. A corporate bag(pipe) man is all he’s good for…

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