Beijing Admits Coronavirus Didn’t Start in Wuhan Food Market – Senator Cotton Tweets Vindication…

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) now admits to an internal report showing the Coronavirus did not originate from the Huanan food market as they initially stated.

Senator Tom Cotton has previously questioned the origination claim because there is a level-4 biological weapons lab in Wuhan, China, where the Huanan market is located.  Tonight Senator Cotton tweets vindication toward his original suspicions:

(Via Global Times) A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.

The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents.

The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019.

According to the researchers, the new coronavirus experienced two sudden population expansions, including one on January 6, 2020, which was related to the Chinese New Year’s Day holiday.

An earlier expansion occurred on December 8, implying human-to-human transmission may have started in early December or late November, and then accelerated when it reached the Huanan seafood market.

On January 6, the National Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a second-level emergency response, which the researchers said served as a warning against mass public activity and travel.

If the warnings had received wider public attention, the number of cases spreading nationally and globally in mid-to-late January would have been lower, said the researchers. (read more)

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273 Responses to Beijing Admits Coronavirus Didn’t Start in Wuhan Food Market – Senator Cotton Tweets Vindication…

  1. carterzest says:

    Well, #sonofabitch!

    Liked by 12 people

  2. diogenes says:

    Once again demonstrating the truism that “The only thing you can be absolutely sure about is that the official story is the one thing that DIDN’T HAPPEN.”

    Liked by 32 people

    • Ninja7 says:

      🤔🤔Unfortunately so True.

      Liked by 6 people

    • Les D says:

      Especially with this biggest catastrophe that may be the worst of mankind. 18 mos from a vaccine? I waited about 6-7 mos after the new shinles vaccine was approved, huge backlog for it called shinrix and really targeted for the 60 y.o. pop. Billions of people need a Corona vaccine if it ever comes.
      God bless Sen Tom for stayin on it but nobody was going to believe China. A scientist from the US was interviewed yesterday, he helped write our governing statute on these bio=weapons, he said WHO can’t be believed either–whores for UN & U Name the drug company of your choice. I’ve sent Sen Cotton a thank you and small check.
      The oddest thing was Bill and Melissa Gates a few months ago had given big bucks to study a vaccine for Corona–not this newly named Corov-19 which was probably man made, and have since come up with bigger bucks, bless them. C’mon Soros, Amazon, the rest of the billionaires.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Rhoda R says:

        Soros et.al. want a pandemic in the US that they can blame on Trump. No money coming from the left for research into a vaccine, let alone funding to produce it.

        Liked by 12 people

        • Deb says:

          Do you get a SARS vaccine every year?

          I thought not.

          This virus isn’t a threat to us, yet. We need to contain it and stop the spread, like we did with SARS.

          We can’t get vaccinated against every potentially deadly virus. It would be physically impossible.

          Wash your hands and demand our government do more to stop infected persons from entering our country.

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          • dbdb says:

            Deb… I think your close…. but, we need the vaccine to encircle each confirmed case and all direct exposures to that case. Also, all direct case workers and medical providers.
            Examples: At least two of the first Chinese doctors have died. Who would want to setup and be the next first doctor? 2nd, Diamond Princess cruise ship could have inoculated every person on board (4000 ?) and all except a limited number could have walked away after 3 weeks. 10 became 16/135/174/218/454 and now 621. Out of 3711 passengers and crew. A vaccine would have stop the continued spread in it’s tracks and two populations would have emerged. The sick could be treated and the well could walk away.

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          • Les D says:

            I never had the flu and never had the vaccine. Docs and Pharmacies do a 3 month mantra starting every summer–Get a Flu Shot–even though that year’s formula often misses that year’s strain. We know it can be deadly, mainly from pneumonia, espcially for the elderly, very young, or health compromised.The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed as far as is known 600,000 Americans, and millions world wide, no vaccine, faded on it’s own, the infected that lived built an immunity.

            This year’s shot missed the mark again, the strain was much heavier, unusually so of Type B, and the annual vaccines concentrate more on the usual culprit Type A. Web MD: “Missed the mark”. https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20200116/flu-shot-no-match-for-b-strain-season-rages-on#1

            Corona was first Dx’s in the 60’s, upper respiratory, probably had been around for longer. It evolved into more dangerous types named above.This particular strain of Corona 2019 is clearly the most dangerous, and government’s aren’t saying much, not enuf is known? Will it die out on it’s own as the Spanish Flu? Will warm weather nip it as they hope it may?

            But when more is known, and if they think this is a perennial or perpetual risk, everyone will be forced to get a vaccine, like measles.

            By the way, I read yesterday the US is the leader in labs weaponizing virus’.

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            • rebelinme2 says:

              Every year the flu shot is pushed and afterward there is a declaration that it must not have been a very good match. Who knows how long there have been many different viruses that have all been called ‘the flu’ ? This coronavirus was identified because it was a recognised manufactured variety, but there are lots that are not so well identified. Everyone who presents similar symptoms of a respiratory virus this year will likely be diagnosed with this strain of coronavirus since there isn’t a definitive test to prove this is the strain they have. I suspect there is some monetary gain for being a country victimized by this Chinese travesty, so we will keep seeing more countries with newfound cases of ‘Chinese coronavirus’.

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            • zekness says:

              I have some interesting news for you.

              you have ALWAYS had the virus that causes the flu…you just may not have showed symptoms (gotten sick) from it. it’s not a subtle difference to understand this.

              good on you for not getting sick…praise the lord…

              but you do realize that vaccines work to actually kill off and remove the virus from your body?

              and why exactly would that be important?

              logically, you are likely a host of the flu and are actively spreading it. and all the while, you will never get sick. think about it.

              don’t feel bad…there are millions of people who think just because they never get sick a vaccine isn’t worth the effort and can be dismissed entirely.

              then there are the really fringe that thinks there is a grand conspiracy that can only be countered by never getting any kind of vaccinations for any diseases. nor their children.

              final note: pneumonia is almost ALWAYS a result of a viral infection…from..yes, you guessed it..the FLU VIRUS..the few cases of pneumonia that are not caused directly by viral infections are so close to zero, in comparison, it might as well a rounding error.

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          • Zippy says:

            “Do you get a SARS vaccine every year? I thought not.”

            Because there isn’t one according to an epidemic expert in a video I watched, only candidate vaccines these many years after the outbreak. Why? She said it was because after SARS petered out, there was no money in it to run the expensive human trials.

            Sanofi to repurpose SARS vaccine candidate for coronavirus
            19 Feb 2020

            http://www.pharmatimes.com/news/sanofi_to_repurpose_sars_vaccine_candidate_for_coronavirus_1326473

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            • zekness says:

              correct….there is not SARS or MERS vaccinations. this was not the result of not trying…it is because of certain features of this class of coronavirus that involve an understanding that current science simply does not possess. The bugs are not just simply very complex to understand how they operate and what kind of factors need to be involved in exploiting some weakness to kill it off….but there is an entirely different matter of how to create a vaccine that will produce just the right amount of stimulation to the human immune response system effectively, without also causing it to go into full combat and kill the body entirely. This delicate balance has not been achieved with SARS AND MERS..and if that is a good estimate to based expectations going forward, we can rationally predict there will be no vaccine for COVID-19 any time soon, or possibly ever.

              However, if there is any silver lining to this crisis right now, is that the world’s premiere virus research laboratories ratchet up the priorities, get the funding and the people needed to accelerate the current state of vaccination development and trials.

              The legacy of SARS and MERS should have been a warning and sent urgency to the matter of corona virus vaccine development. That really never happened. Isolation and containment happened and so there was no money to be profited…sad but true.

              but here we are facing a big sucker…and now we are playing catch up.

              the silver lining might be that c-virus vaccine development get top priority.

              because after this one passes..and it will..eventually..

              we are going to face another Zoonological corona virus one day..and if anyone here thinks this is always going to happen in china near some level 4, I’ve got some sobering news for you:

              these virus can happen and spring from a host of animals….just about anywhere in the world..at any time…

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        • not2worryluv says:

          The Communist Chinese don’t care about their people or anyone other than the Chinese Elites. Perhaps the only way to put the skids on the US Economy and the re-election of Trump is to institute a worldwide health scare, create a shortage of drugs and wait it out until November. What do they have to lose?
          If anyone can interfere with our elections it’s the Chinese and they would love nothing more than to see Bernie siting in the Oval Office.
          Thank God we have President Trump in office! Energy independence, plenty of food sources, and a desire to protect the American people and our Country.

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      • Zippy says:

        “WHO can’t be believed either”

        Tedros Adhanom (WHO director)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom

        Political party: Tigrayan People’s Liberation Front
        Other political affiliations: Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front

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      • Rj says:

        If one does a search for the dark side of the Gates foundation you will come upon articles and wonder why they are doing most of this in Africa. They are responsible for the deaths of many men women and children with their scientific experiments being preformed.

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    • Pale rider says:

      Seth Rich’s death, plane shot down in Iraq, Breitbart’s death, dossier, SCJ Scalia’s death, Philip Haney’s death and my favorite, Obama won the presidential election TWICE and ran a conspiracy free two terms. Side splitters!

      Liked by 2 people

  3. Laurie Walker says:

    Let’s compare

    Disease Burden of Influenza | CDC

    Liked by 3 people

    • Laurie Walker says:

      Well, that didn’t work, but the CDC estimates between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths anually from influenza since 2010, with 9 million to 45 million illnesses. That’s in the U.S. with 1/4 the population of China.

      Give me a break!

      Liked by 1 person

      • David A says:

        Your point?
        Because the death rate on this virus is likely to be one to two magnitudes above the average flu. In addition the R.O. is most likely far higher. Do you really think China is destroying their own economy for 2,000 dead?

        Iran is right now going into lock down; official numbers are like 6 dead and 30 infected. Reports of overwhelmed hospitals are real.

        This is no flu. South Korea cases doubled each day for 4 consecutive days. The R.O. on the Princess Cruise ship was extremely high.

        Italy is putting whole towns in quarantine. Why?

        The real RO and death rate are little more then a WAG right now, but actions speak louder than words.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Laurie Walker says:

          Maybe you’re right, but my point is that this seems extremely small potatoes to what happens in the US every year.

          Do you think we don’t travel and infect people in other countries?

          Liked by 1 person

          • sunnydaze says:

            Do you work for WHO? CDC? Just asking.

            You’re not concerned. We get it. Great. Good for you.

            Liked by 1 person

            • Laurie Walker says:

              Are you “concerned” about the approximately 30,000 people in the US that die every year from a virus? Are you concerened that that millions of US citizens might travel and spread the virus?

              Liked by 1 person

              • Rhoda R says:

                Laurie, you are talking as if this virus death toll will negate the death toll from other virus infections. It is just the opposite, this death toll will be on top of other deaths. It’s not a case of ‘instead of’ but rather ‘in addition to’.

                Liked by 4 people

                • Laurie Walker says:

                  So, do you think this a global pandemic that could possibly wipe out the human race?

                  It reminds me of the nuclear arms race.

                  All scare tactics … nothing happened

                  Liked by 4 people

        • Zippy says:

          “Because the death rate on this virus is likely to be one to two magnitudes above the average flu.”

          16 to 20 times death reat. 3 to 4.5 times more contagious.

          Liked by 2 people

        • zekness says:

          you are correct this is not the flu..

          specifically it is a zoonological coronavirus of the same class as SARS and MERS that preceded it.

          in fact, based on hard science, we can’t be lazy to call any corona virus, simply as “flu”…

          when you hear the word, “strain”….this is a somewhat better way to distinguish between different characteristics of corona virus….but still, it is more accurate to call them by their formal scientific name..

          this has long been a problem with properly distinguishing and naming different types of coronavirus ..

          for example: SARS and MERS are not the eact name of the virus …these are names to describe the disease that is caused by the virus. It’s much more accurate than just saying “flu”….

          COVID-19 is the established name for the precise virus that is causing a disease spreading in china and abroad right ,now…earlier it was temporarily given the name, 2019-nCoV. I believe the change was to adopt the established naming protocols recognized by all major emerging disease and control authorities, that includes all of the major nation states, including the US and China.

          so, yes, this is not the flu.

          and yes, it takes a different name because it is in fact a different and NOVEL coronavirus than SARS or MERS diseases before it. It’s been compared to both because the current research shows it is very similar in structure down to the most elemental parts…and with comparable disease symptoms but also some very different characteristics, some of which are not well understood or known.

          what we do know, is that it is highyl contagious..the incubation period seems highly variable and for reasons not well understood, middle age males seem particularly vulnerable and have the highest mortality rate and serious symptoms as a single group….now, there is somewhat good news about this..what this means is that we can study what makes this virus so unique that is attacks the male group with a much higher present of symptoms….that means, the effort allows researches to focus a majority of their efforts examining what it is about the female immune response sytem that affords greater defenses. this is like a hidden gem…a bonus….it may not solve the problem, but it allows the researchers who develop vaccines with a pretty good direction to investigate.

          we shall see.

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  4. Philip Faustman says:

    Bioweapons are created for a reason. Why is anyone surprised that this happened? Just wait until they release an Ebola type virus that will really wipe out millions. It’s coming! We the Sheeple are so gullible!

    Liked by 3 people

    • Vince says:

      At 2% fatality, this can kill 26 million in China alone.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Rhoda R says:

        It will be even higher in the US if China decides to hold back on selling ingredients for medicines and other medical supplies to the US. We are 100% dependent on them. Big Pharma loves them their cheap labor.

        Liked by 5 people

        • Tim says:

          If it becomes a pandemic / widespread in China they wont have to “decide” to hold back. The factorys will grind to a halt due to a lack of workers and raw materials not available from other factorys with a lack of workers. Also there would be massive demand from dying Chinese for the limited supply of medicines produced.

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          • vexedmi says:

            A pandemic to be sure. China cremates C-virus victims. Where does that polluted air travel to world wide? US of A is the first stop.

            Liked by 1 person

          • meow4me2 says:

            True, businesses are now scrambling to find alternate suppliers. Supply chains everywhere are in flux. I sure hope we have enterprising American companies looking to fill the void.

            Liked by 2 people

          • grumpyqs says:

            Tim, I don’t believe China has a very liberal policy for “sick time” and being on the job during fevers, pains, nausea and sweating may be normal, thereby, depositing flu virus onto the product being handled, whether it be pharmaceuticals, clothing, utensils, etc. It is a very controlled dictatorship.

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          • Sunshine says:

            You’re late in the story. They closed the factories a few weeks ago. Now, the CCP is ordering them back to work.

            Liked by 1 person

            • Zippy says:

              “Now, the CCP is ordering them back to work.”

              While cancelling a huge party fatcat meeting in March. That should inspire confidence among their workers about going back to work.

              China is in a lose-lose situation: if they send people back to work before the virus TOTALLY dies out and ONE persons in the factory is found to be infected, EVERYONE in the entire factory goes under quarantine. They are then trapped IN the factory, but who would want their output production if they worked while there. This has already happened more than once.

              However, if they don’t send workers back, their industries die due to cash-flow problems.

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        • 22denizen says:

          So true. Also, even most vitamin supplements are made in China. There are a couple of US manufacturers of Vitamin C (and some other vitamins too) but most nutritional supplements come from China.
          The following might be of interest to some : http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n12.shtml

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      • Esperanza says:

        I can’t help seeing that China has a population problem that this will help solve…Word from China is they let a banquet with thousands of people eating from the same dishes near Wuhan go ahead…

        I once ate at a Chinese banquet, was an interesting experience. I thought how disgusting, but there must be hygiene arrangements I don’t see. Turns out I was wrong.

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      • Sunshine says:

        Iran is in deep trouble. They didn’t warn their population because they didn’t want to hinder last Sunday’s election voter turnout. And now, it’s spreading everywhere and even hitting elected officials. They’re at a complete loss as to how to proceed. Maybe Allah will guide them.
        I”m waiting, with fingers crossed, for it to spread to the land of the crazy fanatics, Pakistan. But I doubt it will happen.

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  5. T2020 says:

    One of the Bio weapons labs in the area had the virus, indicated some in the China medical online community.

    Liked by 4 people

  6. JohnCasper says:

    As dishonest as they may be, The CCP is likely less dishonest than our FBI/CIA/DOJ/MSM.

    Liked by 10 people

    • Laurie Walker says:

      Ouch.

      But I can’t refute it ….Not yet.

      Liked by 2 people

    • In the Land of Poz says:

      Traditionally the CCP has lacked the polished spin of the DNC/deepstate slave media, and they can’t control the information flow from and among citizens any more. After the first wave or two of hilarious blatant propaganda, the reluctant corrections and confirmation of suspicions start to point if not exactly to the truth, to something in the general direction of truth.

      Lately, the US slave media (in their death throes) have converged to the old USSR / CCP model in which every report of any political importance is obviously heavily manipulated and probably false, and the citizenry knows it. The spin no longer works. So the CCP may in fact get more trust than the FBI (Spygate), DOJ (Epstein, Mueller), and MSM (everything).

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      • bruzedorange says:

        So what we are actually trying to gauge now is the R0 of “novel coronavirus news.”

        We don’t trust the original news releases because health research organizations (like CDC and WHO) have not been politically quarantined.

        We also know that novel coronavirus news enters a transduction phase in editors’ backroom meetings, before passing through media news outlets in a newly mutated form.

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        • zekness says:

          r-naught is not a fixed value…it is both an estimate and it changed according to many factors…factors that change based on data. data that is collected over the course of the study.

          I can show you an R naught value of 100!!!!! for any common flu season just by selecting carefully a specific set of data from the entire set.

          I am not saying r naught isn’t useful..I AM saying those that focus only on r naught as some kind of gauge to determine the danger of any disease are doing it wrong.

          this is particularly true with the initial spread of the disease in china. there was a period where we KNOW that china was not aware of the disease, because it was novel and presented like SARS and MERS before it. It took some time for them to figure out that this was novel indeed, and by the time isolation protocols were put into place, you already had thousands sick and hundreds dead. so initially the r naught seems like dooms day numbers…this will always be the case with any new emerging disease..the initial capture of data is not complete and by the time you gain a decent sample size that passes the statistical sanity tests..you might have some big ugly numbers of mortality and spreading factors. compounding this is that this COVID-19 was not known at the time that the incubation period was pushing the 14 day assumption built into the r-naught algorithm..so you have two things going on that create a r-naught that is going to present a number that is not accurate to what is really going on. in this case, the r-naught to the onlooker showed a giant leap from about 1-2, to about 2-6 in record time..ebola level numbers…problem is few onlookers were aware that this change was due to a certain amount of “catchup” in the numbers from prior infections that were no reported….only theorized based on models…as soon as these “new” actual cases started pouring in, you have a one time data set that starts to look like it all happened at once..if you are only looking at r-naught that is. there are many reporting organizations that have not made this clear and that makes their agenda more than suspect about what they are trying to achieve by doing it.

          r naught is not an exact science. there are many other factors far more important to key on. It’s also an average….so, you know what the saying is about averages?

          there are three kinds of lies:

          the outright lie
          the outrageous lie
          and averages

          just food for thought.

          ps….yes, this is serious bug and we should all start preparing just like we would prepare if we got a warning that a hurricane is brewing…do all the things you would normally do, if stuff becomes difficult…if it passes, great, you’ll be prepared for the hurricane season, or what other threats happen regularly in your area.

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  7. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) now admits to an internal report showing the Coronavirus did not originate from the Huanan food market as they initially stated.”

    I guess they did not want to spoil their track record of outright lying, obfuscation, deceit and obstruction concerning incidents and events..

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  8. Kirsty I says:

    The scientists who were working with infected bats were bitten and urinated upon. Those people put themselves in quarantine, but they were too scared to notify Big Brother,
    OR
    the current epidemic of swine flu traveled cross-species…

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  9. Mary Ann says:

    Biological warfare should have been outlawed..
    The doctor who blew the whistle on the coverup died of the virus..
    Lack of security in bio labs, and human error can cost many lives..

    Liked by 6 people

    • Pale rider says:

      Couple of things there we need to consider. China lies about everything so body count is probably higher or lower, depending on the desired effect ‘if it’s true what Cotton and the rest believe’ which is it is manufactured, it will not be reported by China, of course.
      I don’t believe anything on news channels anymore, it’s just lies. I put this also in that category.
      We have to learn to see in the dark. Pull the layers back and look at, the motives, the rewards, real evidence. Like the rest of these issues, ‘climate change’, Russia hoax’, ‘elections’, ‘invaders’.
      I saw some still pictures of the dead in China, it just looked staged. Well dressed people lying around on stairs upside down and such. Reminded me of ‘the andromeda strain’ that scared the people back when it came out also, it was a science fiction movie. Probably had some new vaccinations coming due at the time.

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      • zekness says:

        to be fair, given the same set of circumstances and the potential threat to the global economy, if this thing has occurred in the US, there is every reason to believe it would be downplayed, and individuals who dared to report it accurately would be viillified by the media for being irresponsible at best and hoaxers and frauds at worse.

        what this problem in china really illuminates are several very serious matters:

        globalism is a real thing and the corporate state is lock step in protecting injury to its interests (money over public safety)
        that china remains a closed society that WILL punish and imprison anyone that tells truth. This again illustrates the insanity of providing it with the technology to surveill and inforce terrifying privacy and security and freedom of both then press and the people (looking at you high tech firms: google, microsoft, oracle, facebook, apple, etc! )
        corona virus research and vaccine development went into retrograde after effective isolation measures proved successful for SARS and MERS..the lack of forward looking risk mitigation and funding a robust scientific effort to research for vaccinations for these very serious virus types was not based on the benefits to the public safety but were linked directly to the financial rewards for doing the work. This balance decisions was based purely on how much money could be profited. And so, we are now in a state of playing catchup and attending an immediate crisis, when it was clear the warning signs existed well before this happened at least in two separate events in recent history. If one follows this kind of backwards business decision, one can only conclude that science research and vaccine development only happens when a certain number of people start dying and begins to have an effect on global markets..this is stupid and it’s plainly inhumane…

        how many people must die and how much of the global market and financial markets must be threatened or reduced for a real effort?

        that’s not just the trilliion dollar question..some day, one day, if allowed to follow this same practice, we are going to get hit hard and we will not be talking about recovering back quickly to business as usual..we will be literally walking among mass graves that were once robust socieities populated by real humans, now dead in the millions.

        the wakeup call is right now. this has to be the highest priority…right now.

        and then follow through and begin a long term plan to develop corona virus vaccines…..that research will almost certainly create a different mode of urgency to study and cure many other deadly diseases….that’s should be one of the goals and it will certainly happen, if we have the will to stay on top of it.

        I’ve read that there are probably about 1,000 or less dedicated science people accredited with the knowledge and the access to the tools to research coronavirus right now…and fewer than 100 who can develop vaccine research and put them to trial.

        that is totally inadequate to the threat.

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  10. jumpinjarhead says:

    If anyone is truly surprised by this, they are one of those who has believed, consciously or otherwise, the propaganda put out by the PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA (therein lies the slightest hint) and sadly, as amplified by the lame stream media, fellow travelers among the dims and progressivists, and incredibly our own government, including regrettably POTUS that “China” (think big fat cuddly panda) is a capitalist nation “just like us.”

    In point of fact, it is a thorough-going ruthless totalitarian communist nation whose hallmark is abusing its own people and deceiving outsiders. Torture, murder, slavery, imprisonment and when that is not enough to ensure total control and wealth to the elite, mass starvation and other incredible hardships. The PRC is notorious for “cheating” at every level in international commerce and yet we award their lawlessness and dissembling with MFN trade status among other perks. We have virtually an open border for Chinese spies…., erm, I mean students, to attend our “best” science and engineering schools, knowing that many, if not most, are working for their communist masters to vacuum up anything that will give them some advantage over us.

    Finally, adding not only insult but peril to injury, previous presidents and many of our “blue chip” corporations have engaged in a massive transfer of technology of either actual military or easily re-purposed “nonmilitary” value. In the same manner as the US government is living in a fantasy world regarding Islam, ignoring the existential threat it poses to our nation and way of life, so too do our officials either ignore or fail to admit the truth that the PRC is at war with America and will use all means necessary to vanquish us. Also, just as the islamists, the PRC plays the “long game” for eventual victory and dominance, playing 3 dimensional chess while our government and globalist corporations play checkers.

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  11. Donna Bryson says:

    THIS VIRUS WAS CREATED IN THE UK AND PATENTED THERE, IN 2015. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY CREATED TO KILL! PLEASE, CHECK YOUR RECORDS, IT CAME FROM THE UK, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE VATICAN!

    Liked by 3 people

    • Parrot says:

      Pills, take them.
      The caps mean you missed your morning dose.

      Liked by 11 people

    • TreeClimber says:

      Treepers have posted the US patent for it, as registered by – I think it was – the Gates…

      Liked by 3 people

    • Parrot says:

      And look, I hate to disappoint, but this virus kills so few people if I was a biowarfare wholesaler, I’d want all my deposit back.
      Next to common annual flu it’s actually fairly benign……….
      Getting it yet?

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        • Parrot says:

          3% +/ – death rate in Asia, much less in the West….. = trivial death rate compared to SARS, Smallpox, MERS, Bird Flu…..

          Panic if you must…

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          • Vince says:

            “3% +/ – death rate in Asia, much less in the West”

            The west will only have a lower death rate if the medical system can handle the load of infected patients. If it gets overloaded, then the death rate will probably be the same as anywhere.

            “trivial death rate compared to SARS, Smallpox, MERS, Bird Flu….”

            Less deadly, but seems to be far more contagious. This is spreading faster than all of those. Also, having the disease and surviving does not seem to build immunity. Reinfection cases can be severe, and there are heart attacks in secondary cases. Also, 20% of cases are severe, and there is no data on long term/permanent damage done to a person from the virus who survives.

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            • Parrot says:

              :-)) …. saturated fats, smoking, inactivity, eating crap and next year’s flu will decimate you.
              This Cv thing is about as significant in the end as “give way to the right accidents” last year.

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            • Fubu says:

              I have read, here I think, that one difference with this COVID-19 virus is that the body doesn’t produce the antibodies required for increased immunity against reinfection. And relapse becomes deadly. If that is the case, there will be a hockey stick effect on deaths once people with compromised immune systems get reinfected and subsequently die. Hope this is not true. Any one have any info on this?

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              • zekness says:

                this particular risk is not well known for COVID-19 because it is a new disease, novel, but also similar to SARS and MERS. In order to establish any kind of credible facts about the subject matter and question you posed (which are good questions), more data and time will have to be achieved. This is the “nature” of making good fact based science. (unlike many other pseudoscience “models” that I don’t care to mention ..but have thus far been proven at least one magnitude of order wrong by direct observation)

                so..what to expect…it’s pretty reasonable to expect this disease which is similar in structure at the virus cells level to SARS and MERS that yes, there is a component of re-infection and that links to a certain number of people who will not be capable of maintaining a level of immunity response over a period of time. There are several things to note about this:

                a. it was a small percentage of former infected people …so in the grand scheme of things to worry about,..it’s about on par with getting reinfected by other kinds of disease..chickenpox, measles, scarlet fever, and even some strains of corona virus (seasonal flu type)…there are reported cases of infection…meaning the disease symptom recur after initial symptoms are treated successfully and the body recovers. But it is a very tiny number of people that this happens. very small..

                b..this small percentage of former infected people had severe symptoms in the first go around and that experience likely damaged permanently the immune response system..it’s always very very stressful on the body when fighting viral infections….when a persons is hit hard, they may never regain a fully functioning immune system. There is no magic involved. One is only resistant to infection from virus if the body is capable of successfully killing it but not also killing the entire body in the process..this is how people die from this disease..it takes holds and the body reacts in a way that floods the body with cell killing assassins..sometimes they are good at it, and only target those infected cells..and then quit when the battle is won..but other times, when an immune system is damaged it may just start attacking everything and never stop until the most critical important systems are shut down from these assassins just going nuclear to the entire body system.

                c. the corona virus is likely to mutate in the current outbreak and this means it will not be so much a re-infection problem, but one of a novel strain infection part 2..The reason this was not seen in SARS and MERS is because it was luckily isolated rather quickly from a variety of factors some of which were not controlled by human efforts. So, it basically never had a huge sample size of human victims nor these two virus infections have a long period of time time to have the “time opportunity” to change it’s structure and mutate to another strain..With this COVID-19, it has infected now, about 80,000 people (these are confirmed..the actual number of infected people is likely much higher), shows a highly contagious ratem(again, confirmed, but higher spread rate is likely to be occurring), and thus the potential for mutating to something else that is able to re-infect is higher than SARS and MERS right now…if the disease continues to cut a path to a much higher population sample..which is likely to expect, then there is every single reason to expect that some other strain of COVID-19 will emerge. Hopefully, it will not have the severe characteristics..that is one way it could go…this part of unknowable. But if we are planning for a black swan event, then this is the one to be careful and vigilant to monitor for. Combine this with a changing evidence based observation that this COVID-19 has an incubation period higher than 14 days in some cases, then the potential for an even larger spread factor is likely. I am not saying these things will happen, but that is the risk.

                what I am personally doing is avoiding air travel and taking a break from travel for a few more weeks. It’s easy because I live in a fairly remote area, and I’m a prepper….from birth, that’s how I was raised to be self reliant..more or less a country boy…

                If I do drive out and fly, I avoid doing the regular things most people in modern society do…I don’t use public restrooms..I don’t feed at restaurants. I don’t drink or do drugs. I keep a healthy space between people…and most importantly of all

                I never vote democrat. that right there has kept me alive and thriving more than any..lol

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          • Esperanza says:

            1 I do not trust the official Chinese figures. You do not shut down your economy for something so low. They have a penury of body bags. Have you seen the videos from Wuhan? Ghost town.

            2 It’s contagious like colds. It’s the ultimate in colds, flu is the wrong comparison, think cold which kills. It’s very contagious. Flu is very deadly but not very contagious. This is a cold.

            3 People are already saying it doesn’t matter because it only kills old people. It is becoming part of the culture of death growing in Western society.

            4 it’s about the forth disgusting epidemic to come out of China recently. Pressure needs to be put on them to get hygiene. Knowing they produce all our drugs is not reassuring. Pressure needs to be put on drug companies to produce in-country. US or Europe.

            I’m definitely not panicking, but it needs taking seriously both sanitarily and because of the damage it can do to our freedoms.

            China is textbook case, they let it spread, even seemed to help it spread, and are now using it to heighten their authoritarian grip on society.

            The dead Japanese people on the cruise ship were forcibly shut up with a virus known to be deadly to them. It was basically a death sentence. Is that how you want your parents to die?

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      • bruzedorange says:

        You could be right. This could all be a global misdirection so no one’s looking at what the other hand is doing.

        But it could also be that this is a virus designed to mutate after several phases into something quite deadly.

        Either way, government and health organizations would be saying & doing the same: trying to prepare and organize, and inform the public enough to increase self-awareness without creating panic.

        It’s life in a world of credibility deficit + information overload. So we prepare for the worst… hope for the best… and keep track of who lied, who passed along bad information, and who got the story right.

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  12. WES says:

    It is pretty obvious the coronavirus came from someone working in the lab.

    One possibly is lab assistants selling dead lab bats at meat market for extra pocket money.

    Also of interest is the head bat guy at the lab was looking for two assistants in November. Maybe previous assistants got fired?

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  13. Thought Criminal says:

    Interesting Times indeed….

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  14. Parrot says:

    It’s a non event…..a < 1% death rate infection rate in the West makes it about as dangerous as cupcakes.
    But please, bloviate to your heart's content.

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    • WES says:

      Parrot:. Nobody figures, even the Chinese fake figures, are below 1%!

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      • Parrot says:

        Concentrate: the West has virtually a zero death rate with imported cases, the Chinese and coming Asian death stats are 2-3% are because there is zero treatment for the plebs.

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        • Newhere says:

          Due respect, there’s just not enough information or clarity at this point for anyone to be lecturing others from a perspective of authority/certainty.

          Watching what governments do, and not just what they say, is always a helpful data point. Governments moving so quickly from announced cases to closing down large swaths of populations is, at least ODD. Worth taking notice of. I say that NOT in a conclusory way, but to validate it’s worth people’s attention. Also worth attention are the multiple reports from reputable medical journals noting worrisome aspects of the virus: a-symptomatic carriers, long incubation, re-infection, possible gain of function mutation. Also worth noting the U.S. hasn’t tested even a small fraction of the people it’s reportedly monitoring, so combined with other factors, we really don’t know what we’re dealing with here. Death rates take time to come into focus, because they’re a product of several variables.

          It’s not helpful to condescend to people who are carefully monitoring the situation so they act and prepare responsibly.

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          • Parrot says:

            Sure there’s reasonable clarity.
            Infections v deaths in China’s close / bordering countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Sth Korea with the same non treatment facilities are a boring 2% on the approximations available.
            This thing is only a problem if it mutates like the common flu strains. When you have 500,000 a year, every year, dying from Coronvirus you just have a routine flu season.

            What you really need to be counting your rosaries over and praying to your god over is bird flu that gets an easy vector.
            This coronavirus is Y2K in the West. You just had the flu and now you don’t.

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        • David A says:

          Do not divide today’s dead into total numbers. There is on average about a 6 day incubation of asymptomatic yet contagious, then about ten days of serious symptoms for 10 to 20 percent of the infected. Then some are cured, and some get very seriously ill and die within about 4 additional days. So the dead numbers should be compared to the infected total from about 20 days ago. For China’s meaningless numbers you get about an 11 percent death rate, orders of magnitude above the flu, and a 15 hospitalization rate, again orders of magnitude above the flu.

          Just as China is NOT destroying their economy for 2000 dead, Iran is not shutting down for 30 infected and 6 dead.
          But Iran is shutting down, and many nations are shutting down all flights to Iran. This is no ordinary flu, and exponential growth is a deal breaker.

          https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-iran-hit-with-coronavirus-panic-and-paranoia-as-street-riots-erupts,-media-censorships-imposed-death-toll-now-6,-confirmed-infected-onl

          ( I expect a WAG of a real finale death rate of about 2 percent for most. So an average US flu season if 35 million cases and 35 k dead turns into 700,000 dead from this, and possibly much more if the number infected is far higher. The RO may well be far higher.)

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        • ezpz2 says:

          Parrot, biowarfare – if that’s what this is – is designed not only (not necessarily) to cause mass deaths, but to create panic and fear, a form of terrorism.

          It can collapse an economy and have other devastating ripple effects on many aspects of a society.

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          • parrot says:

            “is designed not only to cause mass deaths, but to create panic and fear”
            Well son, it certainly worked big time with you.
            Grow up.
            The ripple effects are in Chinese shirts…..

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          • sharon goodson says:

            IF THIS CAUSES OUR MEDS TO BE MADE IN USA AGAIN – I SAY IT IS A WIN – IF NOT – WE ARE TOO DUMB TO LIVE. Biowarfare – if that’s what this is – is designed not only (not necessarily) to cause mass deaths, but to create panic and fear, a form of terrorism. To crush an economy – if it halts Chinese exports – it has done its job already. Chinese banks will fail. Orders to China will dwindle. They should rename the virus the MAGA virus.

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        • Parrot says:

          No-one said it was common flu.
          China’s death rate is not 10% or near it.
          The predisposition for the comfortable West to panic over nothing is indicative of the soft , non resilient society we inhabit.

          The obvious massively superior physical fitness of all Chinese infantry vs the average, overweight, unfit, takeaway food eating, clogged artery USA 25 year old should be a national emergency. Hee, hee….. they think wars are won by IT. The Joint Chiefs encourage that.

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    • TreeClimber says:

      The non-symptomatic gestation time for this virus is 14 days. I have a two-year-old and a five-month-old. You want me to risk their lives on a “less than one percent death rate”? Sorry, I don’t find it acceptable that my boys would be that “less than one percent”!!

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      • InAz says:

        My husband must take immunosuppressant medication. In May 2019 a Norovirus was very hard on him.

        October 2019 pneumonia came close to killing him.

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      • Sunshine says:

        They are now saying it can reach 41 days. Also, if someone is cured, the virus can re-emerge. It reminds me of cancer.

        Liked by 1 person

        • 22denizen says:

          The Chicken Pox virus also can re-emerge as Shingles decades after the first illness that so many get as small children.
          Shingles can be serious, as well as painful, e.g. if it affects the face and optic nerve, then
          it can cause deafness and blindness. Some of these viruses can be more dangerous that we think.

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      • This is a big problem.
        “The case study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, offered clues about how the coronavirus is spreading, and suggested why it may be difficult to stop.
        You had this patient from Wuhan where the virus is, traveling to where the virus wasn’t. She remained asymptomatic and infected a bunch of family members and you had a group of physicians who immediately seized on the moment and tested everyone.”
        According to the report by Dr. Meiyun Wang of the People’s Hospital of Zhengzhou University and colleagues, the woman traveled from Wuhan to Anyang on Jan. 10 and visited several relatives. When they started getting sick, doctors isolated the woman and tested her for coronavirus. Initially, the young woman tested negative for the virus, but a follow-up test was positive.”
        https://www.reuters.com/article/china-health-study-idUSL1N2AL1Z1

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    • technoaesthete says:

      So why are the PTB having their media lackeys cry, “The sky is falling!” regarding this particular virus? Are they trying to distract everyone from something else?

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      • bruzedorange says:

        The truthiest truth of the matter is…
        No one knows for sure. And cannot know for sure.

        Yes, Rule #39 says “There’s no such thing as coincidence.”
        But Gibbs has only 20 million viewers for a 1-hour show each week. We’re dealing with 7.8 BILLION going 24/7 365 days a year.

        Rule #3: “Don’t believe what you’re told. Double check.”

        The best we can do is keep informed and keep informing each other. Look for posters who footnote or link to their sources–and check them. At this stage, all info is questionable. For example, how many different estimates have we read today on the length of gestation period?

        But keep reading, and keep your cynicism nearby–but in abeyance. In these times, we can’t afford to simply protect ourselves against feeling like a manipulated sap. We do need to keep reading the skeptics who are looking for that big misdirection (but not those who are just spinning theories, choosing to connect only 10 out of 100 dots).

        Some of the conspiracy theorists may eventually prove correct. Trump HAS turned the world upside down and threatened to blow the cover off of globalists, and is playing hardball with China, Iran, Russia, and the EU. It’s not illogical to expect collusion between all who have something to lose if Trump succeeds.

        But logic says, prepare for those things you CAN control IF they turn out to be true.

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    • The death rate needs to be compared to the recovered rate and not the total number sick. It’s a very high mortality rate.There isn’t a very high recovery rate so many are still sick or have died.

      People were complaining in Wuhun about the smog even after days of the city being shut down – it was thought to be from the crematories. Now they’ve brought in incinerators that purify the smoke.

      When the first quickly built hospital was finished a video was out showing a tour of the facility. The translation said “those that couldn’t recover” were taken to the crematory. I hope that was a translation error and it meant those that passed. But, I read that the 2nd week is critical, if you get worse after the 2nd week it is unlikely that one can recover.

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      • MVW says:

        Dead vs recovered is a metric that is not often taken into account, but given how long it takes to recover vs die is overstating it. On the other hand, dead vs infected is also understating the deadliness, so the real number is between the two.

        Numbers out of China are complete garbage. Nothing can be known from those numbers, so better numbers are from lab rat studies like the Princess Diamond cruise ship. From that experiment in human lab rats, the infection rate is massive. And there are deaths in the elderly. For those that take comfort in that fact, remember that in China doctors and top hospital administrators died that were not elderly, and got best care.

        For those that stick their head in sand, taking flu statistics as valid comparison, should realize that ‘flu deaths’ in America include severely sick from multiple chronic diseases that contract the flu. Moreover, common medical protocols are based on symptom relief, not underlying disease cure. These protocols are purely immune suppression, with steroids as a go to drug. For example, pain relief, such as for joints or back, neck, use these treatments. So a death from a flu in America is called a ‘flu death’, when in fact the death is tied to previous immune system being severely compromised.

        Here are the relevant statistics: 60% are in treatment for one or more chronic disease, and 12.5% are in treatment for 5 or more chronic diseases.

        So, flu deaths as a guide is **idiotic** as underlying immune deficits is The elephant in that data.

        The very young is a different category entirely as any parent will know.

        So, what do we know?

        We know disinformation (out right lying, fake comparison statistics, flummery for economics sake) is massive.

        The disease is new with virtually no innate immunity in the population.

        That a **majority** of our population is being treated with immune suppressing drugs and flu’s are being handled with vaccinations vs the old days of bed rest and plenty of fluids.

        The disease is so highly infectious that America will eventually be facing it.

        That there is no way to know what the result will be once that happens; it’s NEW.

        It is worse than the flu, but only because of no innate immunity. Summer is ahead of us though, so that may be the significant factor for America, operative word is ‘may.’

        We will find out.

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    • Deb says:

      A corrupt government allows lac security at a bio lab. People start to die, and the government continues to cover it up until it simple can’t anymore. And this is the government ultimately in charge of our medical supply chain.

      We should all be up in arms demanding that our medical supply chain be secured. We should also demand consequences for the release of a virus that has killed people in several other countries.

      But please, continue to miss the point.

      https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

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    • Esperanza says:

      Ébola has a zero percent death rate in the West. As I remember it takes a 6 person team per case. You think our health systems need the extra work?

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  15. tonyE says:

    Why does China have a Bio-4 lab?

    They have a history of militarism and sloppiness.

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    • WES says:

      TonyE:. Actually it has more to do with how communism works!

      Communism is especially good at making good people look bad!

      I have had first hand experience!

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    • Parrot says:

      Why does China have a Bio-4 lab?
      ??
      So it can match US bio warfare capabilities.
      Duh.

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    • A2 says:

      It was set up with the help of French experts. They were trying to help and ensure that lab leaks wouldn’t happen. They know what happened.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      tonyE:

      Same reason China was allowed to capture manufacturing of most pharmaceuticals, etc .etc. etc: Because for the past 40 years, whatever China wants, China gets. We’ve been China’s bitch for a good long while now.

      Heck, they even got WHO to leave Taiwan out of meetings re. this virus.

      And I say this as someone who has a lot of respect for many aspects of China’s long history & culture. But OUR behavior (ie. that of our “leaders” has been absolutely disgusting when it came to China for decades now).

      It’s one of the MAIN reasons I voted Trump. He was the first one who finally had the guts to bring it up.

      Pray for the Chinese people. Successful revolt is waaaay past due for them.

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      • Deb says:

        The only successful revolt the Chinese have ever had was under Mao. All they have ever done is replace one dictator with another. They wouldn’t know what to do with self rule.

        Hopefully a more benevolent dictator will rise in the party.

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    • InAz says:

      China also has support of the world and UN to dominate the world. Especially by the corrupt SOB politicians of the USA.

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  16. bill says:

    There was a corona virus / bat laboratory a mere 280 METERS from the Wuhan seafood market and that lab was no where near BLS level 4. The coronavirus was from a species of bat 900 kilometers from Wuhan….
    “descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week indicated that the genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis 1,2.** It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed onto human.

    An article published on The Lancet reported that 41 people in Wuhan were found to have the acute respiratory syndrome and 27 of them had contact with Huanan Seafood Market 3. The 2019-nCoV was found in 33 out of 585 samples collected in the market after the outbreak. The market was suspected to be the origin of the epidemic, and was shut down according to the rule of quarantine the source during an epidemic.

    **The bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market.** Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market. There was possible natural recombination or intermediate host of the coronavirus, yet little proof has been reported.

    Was there any other possible pathway? **We screened the area around the seafood market and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus. Within ~280 meters from the market, there was the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) (Figure 1, from Baidu and Google maps).”**

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/smoking-gun-chinese-scientist-finds-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-laboratory-wuhan

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  17. keeler says:

    A 21st Century Cherynobl….

    Liked by 1 person

    • Parrot says:

      The desire for panic in the US is actually amusing….

      Liked by 1 person

      • Kaco says:

        Oh, come on, one person in the church infects the entire congregation in South Korea? Regular masks don’t work to protect? I’d say, that’s pretty darn contagious. And what percent of that church will end up dying? The weak, very young, very old, infirm. But a virile doctor died of it, so it’s not just the vulnerable, we are all vulnerable.

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      • Laurie Walker says:

        Drama, drama and more drama.

        It sells and it pays out big time.

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        • Parrot says:

          Correct

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        • Deb says:

          You have one of the most corrupt and incompetent governments in the world mismanaging a bio lab, and getting people killed as a result. This government also happens to be in charge of most of our medical supply chain.

          But you are right, let’s not worry about it.

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          • Parrot says:

            Correct.
            The worse it does is kill a few tens of thousands of Americans once, trivial compared to year on year medical ‘misadventure’ deaths = 230,000 deaths PER YEAR.

            Reality is always an unloved guest.

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            • zekness says:

              the worse is does…

              I challenge your assumptions and raise you one black swan..

              isn’t it more reasonable and intellectually honest to concede we really have no idea to predict worse case scenarios at this point in time?

              you seem to have some secret information that no one else seems to be getting out of china? You are aware the problems involving getting accurate data out of china on this matter?

              so, you’ve managed to get your hands on the realities.

              please…explain…

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  18. Bryan Alexander says:

    If you don’t believe in coincidences, the researcher at Harvard University who was recently arrested is tied into this, somehow. At least that is what my antennae are twitching at.

    The whole Corona virus episode smacks of a test run by the Chinese Government. Highly contagious virus released into the general population to gauge effectiveness of transmission. The virus isn’t particularly deadly. The scary part will be when they engineer a much deadlier strain that is spread this easily.

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  19. sunnydaze says:

    Appreciate Sen. Cotton for questioning this when he did, when nobody else had the guts to do so…..or just didn’t care one way or the other.

    That’s one brave, smart man right there.

    Thankyou, Sen. Cotton!!!

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  20. sunnydaze says:

    Such BS going around re. this virus . right now. Ignorance is NOT bliss and knowledge need NOT lead to panic.

    …” PORTLAND, Ore. — The Oregon Health Authority refuses to reveal how many people in the state are being monitored for the coronavirus, now called COVID-19.

    Spokesman Jonathan Modie said “there is a lot of stigma connected to the virus right now.”

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/oregon-monitoring-coronavirus/283-9f3b5f77-7d0a-4d4b-9dae-37f547bb71fd?fbclid=IwAR1fXTk96KYR3SMkax4rgQ1R184rm0CYRZ08wXHJtTh6bJwXdYlIc3Ar8ZI

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  21. A2 says:

    I am justified

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  22. rah says:

    At this point if I were forced to bet, my bet would be it escaped from the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. IOW it was from a lab that the Chinese paid US academics to help set up.
    Sooner or later the truth will come out. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/17/chinese-study-the-killer-coronavirus-probably-originated-from-a-laboratory-in-wuhan/

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    • A2 says:

      The French virologists helped them set up the lab. They are not responsible for the sloppy protocols.

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      • rah says:

        American’s were also paid by the Chinese to set it up.
        https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html
        And I didn’t say squat about who was responsible for the release.

        I will say this though as a former SF soldier that has trained many foreign troops in various foreign lands. It was pretty much standard procedure for a 2nd SF MTT (Mobile Training Team) to be sent on a follow up mission to ensure that a training program a previous SF MTT had instituted for a foreign military was being properly conducted. IOW continuing to follow the syllabus, and training techniques a former SF team had trained them in. And in almost every case I was involved in or heard of, some and quite often a lot of retraining was necessary because of deviation from the original program that lowered the standards originally set.

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  23. john says:

    This is what happens when you sleep with the fishes

    Liked by 1 person

  24. Genie says:

    Well, that means I don’t have to throw out my case of batwing soup.

    Liked by 2 people

  25. JustScott says:

    Watch the growth of the “confirmed” number in Japan, South Korea and Italy. It’s not the fatality rate, the problem is the absolute number of “severe” cases. “Severe” lags “confirmed” by 10-ish days.

    Using low numbers, if 15% become severe and infection rate can soar to >25% in out of control areas, there will not be any hospital services for people with problem not related to nCov19. In rough numbers, >5M severe cases in the US is a real possibility, over a short period of time.

    I’d guess about half of the US population is spread out in sub-urban lands, and should fair pretty well. I can’t begin to imagine how the US cities will NOT be extremely impacted by this in 4-8 weeks.

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  26. A2 says:

    Te-Ping Chen
    @tepingchen
    wow. 153 coronavirus studies already published, mostly out of China, 92 of them not peer-reviewed.

    One (now retracted) tied it to HIV. Another said it was a pathogen from outer space.

    “To be first with a scientific finding is good for profile and for future funding.”

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  27. A2 says:

    The Global slimes has slimed in., the US responsible for the Covd-19.

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  28. lcsteel says:

    In a few months it won’t even be talked about.

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  29. Mike in a Truck says:

    God is punishing the evil Red Chinese for re- writing the Bible and all their crimes against humanity. Unfortunately Globalists are using human vectors to spread Capt.Trips around the world. Take note of who dosnt get the virus.

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  30. scrap1ron says:

    “And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

    You heard me right.

    Instead of properly disposing of infected animals by cremation, as the law requires, they sell them on the side to make a little extra cash. Or, in some cases, a lot of extra cash. One Beijing researcher, now in jail, made a million dollars selling his monkeys and rats on the live animal market, where they eventually wound up in someone’s stomach.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

    Chew on that for a minute.

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  31. Guyski says:

    If something is created by nature, there is a (somewhat) lineal path to it. If something is created by natured, then altered man, who knows? 🤔

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  32. seanbrady says:

    It started because of a video.

    Liked by 5 people

  33. Rudy says:

    Well if a Biological Weapon is going to kill me, I hope I at least live until my new Corvette C8 is delivered and I can drive it around a bit. I’d hate to die and have lost the deposit I made on it. Cruel world.

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  34. markmurraybooks says:

    My initial thought was, well, there’s China testing how quickly a “bioweapon” can spread. No, this was not a bioweapon, but I wouldn’t put it past China to use this as a test to see how far and how fast something they put out can spread around the world to gauge what a real bioweapon would do.

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  35. Phil McCoxwell says:

    So, the communist party has lost their grip on the America money tree. Their economy is collapsing and what do they do? They revert back to population control. Job number one for the commie dictators is self preservation. If their people get restless they end up in quite a pinch. If their people are more focused on not dying from a virus, the commies have time to plan. Since their outsized population has always been a problem, as the economic situation worsens, the problem becomes bigger. This biological warfare might very well be aimed at their own population because they know we would have this contained right away. Knowing that, why do they keep our scientists at bay? They want to control the damage, my guess is that they already have the fix, but if they control it, they control the narrative and the outcome. I have no clue if any of this is true, but it is a thought worth pondering. These people are nasty pieces of sheet. Their evil has no limits.

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  36. mandy says:

    I REALLY do not want POTUS and FLOTUS to make that India trip, y’all.

    Liked by 1 person

  37. stenwin77 says:

    I find it so strange that this all started almost to the day the phase I China deal was signed.

    Hmmmmm.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Zippy says:

      “I find it so strange that this all started almost to the day the phase I China deal was signed.”

      And they flew a delegation to DC and visited the WH even though by that point they knew there was an epidemic in their country.

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  38. Scott McNay says:

    I’ll use an example here involving global warming / cooling / climate change / climate disaster / climate justice, in which we are told that we must panic because we only have a few years left to fix the problem. However, the people telling us to panic, quite simply, are not panicking as fly / yacht to wonderful locations to discuss how to combat the climate while spewing vast amounts of disaster causing C02 into the air. When they actually start to panic over the climate, maybe I will too.

    The coronavirus however, well, they are telling us not to panic, but their actions speak as if they are panicking. Clearly this is a man made disease and they are doing everything possible to stop it. I’ve continued to read that it’s far less severe than the flu, but I’ve not seen many people in bio suits trying to stop the flu from spreading.

    That to me tells me that this thing is far worse than the flu.

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  39. TwoLaine says:

    China sent the whole world on FAKE mission during the worst epidemic the ever started with FAKE NEWS/Propaganda.

    This should be a clear sign to all that China can never be trusted for or with anything. They don’t care about killing MILLIONS of people worldwide, while they play around and Lie, Lie, Lie.

    Personally, and this is the first time I have said it here, I think they buried many of their dead victims under that hospital they built in record time.

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    • sDee says:

      “This should be a clear sign to all that China can never be trusted for or with anything.”

      I always ask the naive or starry-eyed, just exactly which part of “Communist China” they don’t understand.

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  40. sDee says:

    Can’t have flu viruses getting out of the lab before Pharma’s had the time to make vaccinations for them – now can we?

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  41. railer says:

    China is facing a huge demographic bubble caused by their past one-child policy. They’ll have lots of older people with a much thinner band of middle-aged people who have to work and support those elders.

    We face something similar, with a huge mass of baby boomers who are nearly all in or very close to retirement age.

    Our betters have (misguidedly) chosen mass immigration as a path to fill that middle aged band, but could the Chinese Communist Party have explored a means to thin their elderly demographic band of folks, and eliminate the demographic bubble entirely, sparing the expense of supporting them? I say yes, it is possible.

    These are the same totalitarian zealots who have sent tens of millions to their early graves, so we can’t preclude them at least experimenting with these things. The US government has experimented with dirty business as we know. Margaret Sanger was a totalitarian zealot with truly inhuman ideals, and some worship her. For any reason or no reason, coronavirus could be a man-made creation.

    I believe the Masters of the Universe of any stripe are truly amoral and unethical. They are severed from us. They truly believe reshaping the world is within their grasp, and more, is their obligation, no matter what is involved. This zealotry ignores reality and the nature of us all. And when they fail, as they must, additional measures are required for them to maintain their station as Masters of the Universe. We’re here and we want to stay here, in other words. We see this attitude in play constantly.

    Introduce some of this garbage into the “wisdom of the crowd”, and it inevitably gets cast aside. Of course, the “crowd” is then termed a “mob” or “populist” and other such rot. But what’s wrong with sunshine and openness? Even Gorbachev understood this, that “glasnost” and “perestroika” would bring “openness” and “restructuring” to a totalitarian society. It was ugly and it somewhat still is there, but so is it here as we see, we just have a rich land and a higher standard of income, but the rest is much the same. Human nature is to fall. I do so, despite myself, despite knowing this. It’s the shamelessness of me as a human that too often makes me ignore my nature and sever myself from it, much as the MotU sever themselves from it. They fall because we all fall. We are fallen. and Redemption is the thing, for us all. But first things first, we have to admit we’re fallen.

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  42. lolli says:

    If anyone is interested in research and analysis this sight updates daily
    All medical research. No MSM involved.

    Today is very interesting. Describing infected pilgrims path from Israel. Now Israel and Lebanon have a case, will see if their numbers rise.

    The biggest problem with the numbers is lack of test kits. This is addressed regarding Iran.
    Of course, the US is not testing unless you have been to China, so we have no idea either.

    Please read today’s postings on COVID-19 update.

    International Society for Infectious diseases
    https://promedmail.org/

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  43. lolli says:

    Does anyone think Italy would cancel their Venice Carnival to stop the spread of the virus if it was truly a nothing burger?

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/italy-cancels-venice-carnival-in-bid-to-halt-the-spread-of-virus/507-78890b1e-c056-4b52-bbe8-ede0653eddd0

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  44. tommyd22 says:

    It was a YouTube video that started it all.

    Liked by 1 person

  45. lolli says:

    S Korea, now at 556.

    From the article:

    “South Korea reported there were 556 confirmed cases of the virus, mostly linked to a church and a hospital. “

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/south-korea-coronavirus/507-fe60178e-3d1d-44c4-95c6-8b12bff44ae2

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  46. Marcia says:

    Retired Magistrate here: Just some common sense pointers to help stay well. Wash your hands. I understand this probably won’t help with the corona virus, but it will help with the common cold, regular flu and stomach flu.

    Don’t fly or go on a cruise right now if you don’t have to. Do your grocery shopping and other shopping early or late in the day when the stores are less crowded. Cook your own meals and eat at home as much as possible. Be sure and wash all vegetables and greens thoroughly. Even in cold climates get out and walk or exercise at home just by walking in place or doing something; move and get the blood circulating.

    Don’t know if this will work for everyone but I have found great success with green tea. I have a connective tissue disease and it has helped a lot with that. Also has helped with colds, sinus infections, etc. No, I don’t get the flu shot because with my connective tissue disease it could cause a lot more harm than good.

    GOD bless President Trump and this country.

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  47. Zippy says:

    It Begins: Samsung Shutters Smartphone Factory In South Korea After Virus Outbreak
    23 Feb 2020

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/it-begins-samsung-shutters-smartphone-factory-south-korea-after-virus-outbreak

    On Saturday, Samsung Electronics reported that a Covid-19 case was confirmed at its smartphone factory in the southeastern city of Gumi, resulting in a complete shutdown of the entire plant, reported Reuters.

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  48. Zippy says:

    “In a video recently posted to twitter, a doctor from a hospital in Hunan confirms that he counted 50 new patients the other day and submitted those numbers to health officials. In turn, they included only 1 case in the official count”:

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  49. kleen says:

    This thing is beginning to scare me.

    Laugh if you want to, but I decided to prep like one of those end of the world preppers.

    First of all, we have Flu every year and it’s nothing like this

    Doctors don’t wear hazmat suit and/or get hospitalized with some dying from it.

    Cities don’t go into lockdown. Companies don’t shutter operations for the Flu.

    Something is up, be scared enough to prepare for what’s coming. It’s coming.

    There’s NO WAY to keep a virus from spreading.

    This virus lasts about 9 days on surfaces, found in urine and feces, air. Good luck with that.

    Bleach and hospital strength alcohol kills virus (as far as disinfecting things around you) But anti-bacterial stuff doesn’t.

    You can bring this virus into your house in your shoes, hair, clothes… how do you disinfect your whole house?

    It’s impossible!

    Lockdown only works if you haven’t been exposed to the virus and it’s not in your house at the time. Otherwise, you are keeping it as pet.

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    • Gerkmonster says:

      I was in Singapore when it took root there. No deaths. 80-90 infections. It’s not that bad unless your body is weak… and many people in the 3rd world are nutritionally deprived. The precautions (suits, etc.) are being taken simply because it is contagious and health workers 1. don’t want to get it… and 2. don’t want to spread it.

      But the economic damage will be huge. They would be better off spraying it from the skies and exposing the entire population to it… Then in 4 weeks, it’s all done. The way we handle it now, it will take 1-2 years for it to run its course.

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      • kleen says:

        If we develop immunity I would agree with you. But we don’t know that yet.
        I’m waiting to hear more about the rumor that you can catch it again and the second time it’s worse. Until they don’t clarify that aspect of this disease I’m not so sure this is not a big deal. Why is everyone shutting down entire cities if it’s just like the Flu? Because there’s a lot they know and have seen enough to worry about it.

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      • Zippy says:

        “I was in Singapore when it took root there. No deaths. 80-90 infections.”

        An epidemic expert who was involved in the MERS, SARS, and Ebola outbreaks said explicitly that Singapore has THE best system by far in place in the entire world for such epidemics because of their SARS experience… so DO NOT use them as a guide to how it will be able to be handled elsewhere.

        This book was just released on 1 Nov 2019. Steven Hatfill is the bioweapons defense expert the FBI seriously harassed and defamed after the 9/11 anthrax attacks. He sued them for a bunch of money and won:

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      • kleen says:

        Gerkmonster says: would be better off spraying it from the skies and exposing the entire population to it… Then in 4 weeks, it’s all done. The way we handle it now, it will take 1-2 years for it to run its course.”

        Coronavirus: Wuhan to quarantine all cured patients for 14 days after some test positive again
        Recovered and discharged people were sent to designated centres from Saturday onwards
        Decision follows several instances in which recovered patients were found to be still carrying the virus and able to infect others
        “This is dangerous,” Zhao was quoted as saying by Southern People Weekly magazine. “Where do you put those patients? You cannot send them home, because they might infect others, but you cannot put them in hospital because resources are stretched.”

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      • You know it WOULD be better getting it now and avoiding the rush, because during the rush we will not have enough ventilators and ICU beds for the seriously affected. I understand the thing is to try to get ‘time’-time enough to come up with procedures (maybe anti-virals, IDK) and for a vaccine to be developed. This place says they have already developed one, although animal and I assume human trials still have to be done
        https://www.dailywire.com/news/houston-company-weve-created-coronavirus-vaccine

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      • jake49028 says:

        Actually, the annual flu is WORSE than this. 300,000 die worldwide from the flu, every year.

        This is a media event and I am suspicious because I have this feeling it was orchestrated to tank the market and economy by screwing up trade. I don’t trust the timing of it either.

        Take a deep breath (mask if you must) and wash your hands, don’t touch your face or eyes unless you just washed.

        This will pass.

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      • PAM says:

        Spraying what?

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    • Dwayne Diesel says:

      I’m sorry the reason why so much precaution is being taken is because the media is hyping it up. They want mass hysteria and mass fear. It keeps people tuned in.

      If it was so deadly, as the MSM alludes it to be, then more of the passengers on the cruise ship would have perished. They didn’t.

      This virus is being turned into a super-virus by the media. They are the hype artists that are causing the hysteria. The suits are just a precaution and are used whenever biological contaminates are a threat.

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    • oneondet says:

      You are not the only one, this is virus starting to worry me also.

      Liked by 1 person

    • theresistanceisfutile says:

      I work in the OR, and for the first time in my like stole from the hospital. A big box of surgical quality masks.

      Liked by 1 person

    • NorgeX says:

      Current lethality rates for coronavirus are at the .02% level, or about 2 per 10,000 known infections, and here the key word is ‘known’, as there may be millions of cases undiagnosed because the symptoms were so mild. The probability is that the lethality of the coronavirus is much lower.
      I’m a prepper, but prepping for a ‘plague’ of an unknown or untreatable illness is pretty pointless, unless you can implement a ‘total isolation’ scenario and have the means to do it. Even then, the odds of outliving the ‘bug’ once supplies are exhausted (and re-supply requires exposure) are infintismal. Prepping for this offers hope only if there is a reasonable possibility or a vaccine or cure being produced before re-supply is necessary. Better to prep for a more likely scenario as political/societal upheaval, EMP, or nuclear war.

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    • Frank says:

      “Hospital strength” disinfectant alcohol is just plain ol’ 70% IPA. You can get it at the dime store or dilute some yourself if you like. Higher % also works, but it’s no better than 70. Hospitals also use UV lights which will neutralize pretty much anything. Something that produces UVC or far-UVC will kill viruses like COVID-19. If you seriously want to get such a light, far-UVC is safer to use.

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    • Nan says:

      I work at home so don’t have to go anywhere; I have bleach, alcohol, soap and hot water, food and tea. I probably need to do a big shop this week so I don’t have to go out again for awhile and put gas in my car so I have a full tank. I’m at half a tank which is a respectable time to fill in winter.

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