Cunning Lawfare Maneuver – House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate…

Seemingly overlooked by most, when the House voted on the ‘rules of impeachment’ they removed the traditional appointment of House Managers to a later date.

Normally the House Managers would be appointed at the same time as the impeachment vote; however, by withholding the appointment House Democrats are indicating they will not immediately send articles of impeachment to the senate but will rather hold the articles as support for pending court cases toward their judicial authority.

A cunning Lawfare ploy.

As interested observers will note the House never voted to authorize the full judicial impeachment process; instead they voted to approve an inquiry into whether an impeachment should take place.  By not voting to authorize articles of impeachment the House never gainedjudicial enforcement authority‘.  The absence of judicial authority is now working its way through the courts in various cases.

It appears the absence of appointing House impeachment managers; and the decision to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate; is now a specific design.

As the process appears to be unfolding, the Lawfare contracted lawyers representing the House: chief legal counsel Douglas Letter, Barry Berke, Norm Eisen and Daniel Goldman will now argue before the courts that all of the constitutionally contended material is required as evidence for a pending judicial proceeding, a trial in the Senate.

What the house crew have assembled is an interesting back-door attempt to position a valid claim for evidence against the accused without having first gained judicial authority for it.  The Lawfare crew will argue to the lower courts, and to SCOTUS, the blocked evidentiary material is critical evidence in a soon-to-be-held Senate trial.

The material they have been seeking is: (1) Mueller grand jury material; (2) a deposition by former White House counsel Don McGahn; and less importantly (3) Trump financial and tax records.  Each of these issues is currently being argued in appellate courts (6e and McGahn) and the supreme court (financials/taxes).

The House impeachment of President Trump succeeds in applying the label “impeached president” that was their primary political purpose. President Trump is marred with the label of an ‘impeached president’.

Now the delay in sending the articles of impeachment allows the House lawyers to gather additional evidence while the impeachment case sits in limbo.

The House essentially blocks any/all impeachment activity in the Senate by denying the transfer of the articles from the House to the Senate.  Additionally, the House will now impede any other Senate legislative action because the House will hold the Senate captive. Meanwhile the Democrat presidential candidates can run against an impeached President.

Lawfare’s legal svengali Lawrence Tribe recently penned an op-ed with this type of  recommendation; and it appears the community that worships Tribe, including the House lawyers writ large, are following his advice.

While Politico outlines the plan from a position if the scheme as a new idea, the fact the House impeachment rules were changed to drop the appointment of the managers speaks to considerable forethought on this type of plan.

It does not appear this is a new idea; rather it looks like this is a pre-planned procedural process by design:

Washington – House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, the second-ranking lawmaker in the House, said Wednesday that Democrats must discuss a last-ditch gambit to delay sending articles of impeachment to the Senate and prevent the Republican-controlled chamber from summarily discarding the case against President Donald Trump.

“Some think it’s a good idea. And we need to talk about it,” Hoyer said just as the House began debating articles of impeachment that charge Trump with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

In recent weeks, some legal scholars have suggested Speaker Nancy Pelosi could consider refusing to transmit articles of impeachment — likely to pass the House Wednesday evening — to the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has declared he is coordinating trial strategy with the White House.

[…] Notably, House Judiciary Committee Democrats huddled with Tribe earlier this month as they practiced behind closed doors for their series of impeachment hearings.

[…] the House could use the delay to continue to build on its evidence for impeachment, and possibly to score additional legal victories that could unlock troves of new evidence and witness testimony that the Trump administration has withheld from Congress. Some of those court cases could be decided within weeks. (read more)

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751 Responses to Cunning Lawfare Maneuver – House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate…

  1. andy says:

    meanwhile
    SPACE FORCE FUNDING!

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  2. California Joe says:

    I disagree with SD! The two articles of impeachment have no relation to the the three court cases headed to the Supreme Court. Neither abuse of power or obstruction of Congress hinge on President Trump’s tax returns fIkeda years ago, grand jury evidence related to debunked the Russian collusion hoax and his long gone attorneys testimony none of which have anything to do with withholding aide to Ukraine or defying a Congressional subpoena! The Lawfare Bolshevicks have something up their sleeve but I don’t think it’s too help the SC court cases.

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    • Sprawlie says:

      Agreed. They ‘have something up their sleeve’ because they are illusionists. They know RBGs time is short. They may not be able to stop appointment of her replacement but they are setting up to try. And if they fail, their fallback is the horrible optics they’re conjuring on Republican Senators. An election year appointment by an impeached President to a Supreme Court that is set to rule on separation of powers issues would be the best campaign issue they have to try and win back the Senate.

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    • Jan says:

      No, it gives them a treasure trove of information upon which to find crimes and draw up more articles of impeachment and/or more smears for the 2020 election.

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    • Mike says:

      Agree. Too clever by half. The unintended consequences of such a strategy could wreak political havoc including the further loss of public support and the sucking of oxygen from the Dem presidential primaries that are scheduled to begin in early February. And then there is Mitch who can throw a monkey wrench into their plans. Add to this possible indictments and revelations from the Durham investigation.

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    • zekness says:

      one has to understand the corrupt dems do not expect to win any cases or even gain access to grand jury mueller material..if they do succeed, which is very very unlikely, that’s a bonus.

      the goal here is to frustrate a process and delay it…

      the reason to continue to delay sending this to the senate is obvious:

      they cannot win anything on the arguments/articles in its present form.

      there are BOTH house and senate dem seats that are vulnerable from the expected blowback from a failed impeachment outcome (left voters aren’t as party loyal as the press makes them out to be..they are still human…and can’t stand losers….they will defect and retaliate at the polls from this miserable ineffective bunch of clowns..that’s a very real risk that is almost certain of the dems allow this senate trial to go forward.

      by delaying, they can achieve an interim temporary demonstration that they are doing something..anything…and that might help them somewhat politically to not have a complete party mutiny on their hands. It also has the effect of continuing to cast a dark cloud over the president and gives them chances to have the complicit media spin the narratives that is open ended.

      by delaying, they are also working to find other paths (corrupt fraudulent intentions) to find another series of political weapons they can use to continue this fraud against the president. I would expect the dems to find another whistleblower, or perhaps even another stormy daniels they can slap together to impugn him with.

      this is all about delaying the inevitable.

      there are no advantages in seeking a trial in the senate for the dems. that ends the show.

      it ends the charade.

      it ends their very power

      it also results in many seats getting lost in congress AND back at home states!

      this is why they do these things…it a desperation move…one, I do not consider cunning or even intelligent….unless you allow yourself to consider a thief is smart.

      the left does these things, because they are caught out with a failed coup attempt.

      and everyone is noticing it now..

      big time.

      as they should!

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  3. Deplorable Saint says:

    Sundance,

    I was watching Laura Ingraham a few minutes ago. She and her guests were nibbling around the edges of the discussion of why the Dims are not sending the articles to the Senate. Why are the Dims doing this is basically their question. They touched on the “other evidence” …without really grasping why the Dims are manipulating the process hoping to get what they want from the pending court cases. Laura and her guests are not quite sure what is going on. Laura needs to learn to read the tea leaves better.

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  4. MaryOk says:

    The whole thing seems harebrained and half baked. Legal maneuvers all around. Who cares? The average person won’t want to grasp all of this. Be interesting to see the media explain this and make it sound like a good idea.

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    • Mary Ok says:

      The House is controlled by staff lawyers. This can’t be positive for the elected officials.

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    • A Moderate Man says:

      The Democrats are not running this impeachment for the average person, they are running the process to get a kill shot at the President. Schiff has already started the process of going after Pence… that is on his 2020 “to do list”

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    • Pokey says:

      You can count on the media being already apprised of what their role will be in this legal ruse. I say the Senate can just refuse to accept the impeachment articles if they ever do arrive. I also say Pelosi and her accomplices at law fare have just put large targets on themselves. This could end up being the Constitutional crisis the Communists have always wanted. fubar.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Lawfare should really rename themselves the,Wiley Coyote Acme supply company.
      Sesie their record on scemes is now at about 300 failures, to -0- successes.

      They ‘win’ some at lower courts, but always lose on appeal.

      I can’t see SCOTUS giving them victories on any of this, even if Roberts is,compromised, as this is too basic (seperation of Powers) for them to mess up.

      I guess the novel argument they are going to make, is that this material they want would be for,ADDITIONAL charges, but they can’t make the,charges, without the evidence.

      Its a fishing expedition, and both SCOTUS and the Constitution just LOVE fishing expeditions.

      But, it draws out the process, until at least March, if they are going to wait for court decisions.

      So much for “Mitches bitch Lindseys “get it over with quickly, to CYA,…er I mean for the good of the country you should resign ,..er dammit I have rehersed that line so often, I say it without thinking, I meant to say, get it over quickly for good of COUNTRY.

      The plan is to draw it out, and continue the drumbeat on MSM, day after day, after day.
      Time to start releasing the,kracken. Start having classified info off of Sundances wish list, read on the floor into the Congressional record.

      And the statements Giulliani brought back from Ukraine, as well.
      Start lobbing some mortars their way, and work up to nukes.

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      • Yes, our side HAS to raise the stakes on the Leftist theocrats. Go after them, their families, friends, and staff lawyers.

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        • zekness says:

          I agree with this. But not in the same approach as the radical left throngs.

          what is required is to maintain a order of decency…I would be opposed for example of attacking someone’s child! (baron anyone?_

          what would be a good tactic, is to chase after them in public settings, in town halls meetings where they group togethers…and challenge them on camera for maximum impact the very real failures of their political actions.

          a. why are you opposed to a good economy?
          b. why is your party wanting to tax the hell out of americans in the middle of the single greatest economic growth period in history…with trillions of dollars of debt with a radioactive obama care 2,0?
          c. why are you against rule of law and due process?
          d. why aren’t you investigating a clear case of extortion of joe biden?
          e. why are you looking the other way, as elected officials in congress have made millions of dollars in corrupt schemes to use their office and powers of influence with foreign countries?
          f. what are you doing today to reform fisa laws, partiot act, to prevent the lawlessness we are now aware of by the FBI?
          g. why are you opposed to investigating criminality and misconduct of top fbi officials ?

          and so on.

          make solid arguments..on facts.

          let them hang based on credible straight forward evidence of corruption

          make the democrats pay for being complicit in the attempted coup.

          expose them for inaction…at least that.

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      • GuessAgain says:

        If Ukraine investigates the Bidens and/or Ukraine that would blow the “There has been no investigation” part of OUR argument out of the water. As I see it, its also to cover up/stop Ukraine investigations. Anyone else see this?

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        • Dutchman says:

          Well, no I don’t. Our argument is no “quid”, and no “quo”; POTUS (past tense) didn’t withold the aid, and they had their WH meeting, and Ukraine didn’t ANNOUNCE that they were starting investigations, which as I understand it is the allegation.
          That “Trump” wanted them to publically announce they were investigating Biden.

          Doesn’t mean that forever more, throughout history, they are forbidden from opening an investigation of Biden.

          Its spin, vs reality, again. In the age of Trump, which began with the escalator ride, spin has proven to have lost much of its umph.

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  5. BitterC says:

    Can’t Mitch just write Senate impeachment rules that say articles expire after 1 or 2 weeks? 🙂

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Better would be to assume the House has voted and now it is the Senate’s turn. he can write a rule that allows a motion for dismissal as prelude to trial.

      Pelosi has two options, do nothing or say NO impeachment has occurred, which scuttles their judicial authority claim..

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  6. CanaCon says:

    It’s really quite astounding how everything has proceeded almost exactly as Sundance has predicted from the beginning, even incorporating the trade deals into the timeline.

    Even so, with their impressive long-term planning, there always seems to be something unexpected up the sleeve that they can rationalize with the media sales job so enough people on the coasts buy in.

    Still, they have to know that most people realize that their intelligence is being insulted.

    Being so blatant could indicate that they think they have voter fraud just about perfected and can change just enough votes in the right places to steal 2020.

    Proof of that theory will be if Clinton throws her (pussy) hat in the race.

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    • American Heritage says:

      A critical issue! What, if anything is being done about the Left’s blatant, habitual use of voter fraud? I guess the Uniparty corruptocrats just don’t care.

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  7. thedoc00 says:

    Pelosi and her unelected Lawfare contractors may have put themselves over a barrel.

    If they claim the Articles are approved and President is impeached, then McConnell can immediately create a rule that says he can pick them up and make his motion to dismiss as a prelude to the Senate Trial.

    If the Pelosi says they are not complete, then NO impeachment has occurred and the democrat arguments before the courts for documents suffers.

    NcConnell does not even need to ask if the House has Impeached. All he has to do is assume the vote is done and the Senate can now deal with the Articles. The House cannot have not both ways.

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    • Sgt Stryker says:

      Ain’t video recordings great?
      The Articles were read and the votes taken; all on video.
      That “OLD” custom of delivering the Articles on the wood box…..meh; who needs ’em?
      It’s in your court Mitch.

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    • signfollies says:

      Democrats always have it both ways.

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    • zekness says:

      I want to also point on that wikipedia has recorded Trump as “impeached”..

      I have formally challenged that mistake: it isn’t accurate or even logically.

      it’s not the correct description.

      the house has voted on articles, but short to two very important aspects:

      a. the House HAS NOT named managers, which are prosecutors, thus the impeachment is not sound. This reality is not some mere footnote of trivial significance….it literally means the president IS NOT impeached. It ONLY means that the house has voted on the articles.
      b. the House has not sent the articles TO THE SENATE…again, this is the duty of the impeachment managers. The house managers take the articles, to the senate and formally hold a hearing and present the articles before the senate. Then they report back to the House …etc….etc…

      I want everyone that can to contact wikileaks and demand they remove the incorrect documentation and write it clearly and accurately about the current status of this fraud.

      here is the link …below it is the instructions to report/comment/dispute inaccurate information.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Formal_federal_impeachment_investigations_and_results

      in the upper right hand corner of each wiki page is “talk” link…you will need to be logged into the wikipedia website to use this functions.

      here is my boilerplate:

      correction needed for the following page:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Formal_federal_impeachment_investigations_and_results

      Number 20 of the table, Donald Trump…last column reads:

      “Impeached on December 18, 2019 after an inquiry by the Financial Services, Judiciary, Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, and Ways and Means committees.[60][61][62][63]”

      This information is factually inaccurate and incomplete.

      The House has ONLY voted to approve Impeachment articles. This does not imply the President has been Impeached. The House has refused to:

      a. name impeachment managers
      b. have impeachment managers present the articles to the senate formally.

      the best description of the active and current status of this impeachment process should read:

      ongoing…

      or that

      House has approved Impeachment articles but have not yet fulfilled the formal process to name impeachment managers NOR has the house fulfilled the formal process to send named impeachment managers to the senate to present the articles.

      these two basic procedures have not been completed. it is not accurate to suggest “impeached” with respect to this process at this time.

      even this wikileaks article in the former sections lists out the entire process by which impeachment happens and each critically necessary step in procedure to render “impeachment”…

      the process at this current time, shows clearly there are two vital steps missing to assert “impeachment” has actually happened.

      Please update your wikileaks pages in this matter to simply “ongoing”..or with a better more accurate description of where in the impeachment process this matter exists.

      it is certainly not “impeachment” this implies that all the process has occured…Plainly, this is not the case.

      r,

      Tim

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  8. An says:

    Can they sit on this for a year, then try to pass it to the next Senate?

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  9. IMHO this is like a shutting down the govt play , I don’t think it will poll well ,the Dems had their bonfire , but time to move on one way or other , voters are tired of shannigans and stalling tactic to get better odds seems a bridge too far , will not generate support , will lose it . Only fanatic TDS crowd will think it is a brilliant meunver.

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  10. todayistheday99 says:

    Why can’t POTUS hire 23,000,000 lawyers to work on his case?

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  11. Mike says:

    If the dems thought they had case they would send it. They don’t.

    To me, using a football analogy, this is like going for it on fourth down and one. But instead of running a play, they “green 19, green 19, hut. Green 19-HUT,” trying to draw an offside. The play clock winds down and they either waist a time out, or take a five yard penalty.

    The dems are LOSING. Even as pathetic as Judge Collyer’s press release was, it was still so bad for the Coup Rats that three networks ignored it.

    The demonrat true believers think this will work. The truth, which is too slowly, but still coming out says it won’t.

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  12. Truth seeker says:

    Charge her with obstructing congress.

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  13. Jennifer Verner says:

    That’s fine. And Lindsey Graham needs to start doing anal probe investigations of all the Democrats involved in this sham, especially Joe Biden and his money laundering kid. That should work. Eric Ciaramella May know something about it since he went to Ukraine with ole Joe a couple of times.

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    • todayistheday99 says:

      The problem with that is it would lead to Lindsey shining a flashlight up his but hole.

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    • Biden’s kid, Pelosi’s kid, Kerry’s stepkid, and etc.

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      • zekness says:

        all fair game….

        but don’t expect too many republicans to back that effort.

        it’s sad, but the level of nepotism is straight up RIFE in congress (and at the state level).

        it will be entirely up to the real free press to expose that …

        I am not too sure how well this will work for the impeachment process however.

        there is a timing consideration.

        me thinks it would be best to prioritize actions now…and keep these other matters on hold, after the major threats to this nation are corrected.

        it might be very counter-producting to introduce neutron bombs rights now. That plays nicely for the dems cause.

        remember the main press is a decidely corrupt club…they will just ignore the left’s failures.

        let the current battles play out, with the expected re-election of this president.

        then we can get back to business of cleaning up ….

        it’s sad this has to be this way…

        it would be very much a disaster if the conservatives create a situation where the very people that can be useful in destroying the deep state, are neutralized from that goal right now.

        we will “use them” and then deal with them when they have served a greater priority.

        that’s my view.

        I know it isn’t very popular…but it’s the long game one has to consider.

        we have to play this smarter than the left…be clear on that .

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  14. Tom says:

    Don’t play by Pelosi’s attempt to set the field of play and the rules.

    With Collyer’s letter basically accepting that the FBI violated the rules for FISAs, POTUS should direct AG Barr to assign another US Attorney (not Durham) to immediately indict everyone that signed either the original FISA or subsequent reauthorizations on Carter Page. Indict them for 4th admendment violations. Start at 20 years and disbarment. Seems to me these should be pretty cut and dry cases where the parties are guilty of not verifying the contents of the FISA applications that they signed off on. Signatures need to mean something.

    This should get some folks attention and create a line to Durham’s door with offers of “assitance”.

    My $0.02

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    • Carmela DonVito says:

      It’s in the process….and a big surprise that will be…..Go Barrrrrrrrrrr!

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    • zekness says:

      yes, this!

      there are other strategy reasons to do this also.

      once you have open cases and indictments, this captures all prior grand jury materials these people orchestrated…

      essentially making it ilegally problematic for the left dem corrupt congress from getting the traction or the access of any of the mueller grand jury material.

      even if these cases go no where..it frustrates the left’s ambitions to use the grand jury material.

      we have to consider the possibility that a corrupt judge might be tempted to allow them access to grand jury material.

      thus, immediate action to take away that opportunity is necessary right now.

      we need to be thinking big picture and removing all opportunities for these corrupt schemes to have any movement.

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  15. TMonroe says:

    What’s to stop the Senate from taking the matter up as some suggested and dismissing? As the House certainly can’t show an adherence to precedent (let alone constitutional standards), the Senate could act to dismiss and make the fishing expedition moot by doing so as it relates to what was just passed in the House, no?

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  16. I just cannot understand one thing – with all due respect to Sundance, but every time he mentions “lawfare” it is like they are the ultimate lawyers in this country and there is no lawyer or group of lawyers that can counter their bullschiff moves.

    I understand, that what we are seeing is pretty much how Sundance is analyzing and laying it out for us in layman terms for folks like us to understand what is going on. But C’mon man! There has to be equally ruthless lawyers on our side who can take a wrecking ball to these “lawfare goons” strategies.

    Question is – where are they and why they have not shown up yet on the scene?

    After thought (original comment ended at the “Question is”) – I do play a little bit of chess so anyone coming with 3d-4d chess theory explanation …. they don’t understand that in a game of chess, if you keep playing defense all the time, then no matter how many players you have left on your side, it doesn’t matter, because time, one of your most valuable and important player, is one player that you have lost. Another analogy is – my kid plays a boat racing game on XBOX and is usually greedy to collect her “nitros” but never came first till I explained her that collecting nitro is good, but it is of no use if you will not use it at the right time. It took her a while to understand what I was saying until I showed her few times – and I rarely play the game – but after seeing that after only few attempts I was able to come first, she understood the importance – use your ‘nitros” to your benefit, rather than being happy that your boat is showing that it has full “nitro”, because at the end of the race, what matters is – did you win against your opponents? From my point of view – declass documents and Comey / McCabe / Brennan / Clapper etc. documented lying to the FIB / congress (real crimes for which Cohen, Roger Stone and General Flynn are probably going or went to jail) “were/are” our “nitros”, I hope we use it on time.

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  17. BeebleBrox says:

    Guilty! Now let’s find the evidence…

    Democrats would make Stalin proud

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    • Pokey says:

      They have. But most of our poorly educated citizenry don’t even know who Stalin was, and much less do they care. The whole Demcommie case is wrapped up in the idea that the citizens are very ignorant. It could be working for them, too.

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    • The Devilbat says:

      Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.” – Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria (Head of Stalin’s secret police).

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  18. rayvandune says:

    The immediate gratification available from criminality is intensely seductive, and those lacking a moral compass are thus uncontrollably attracted to it.

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  19. GTOGUY says:

    The longer they drag it out the worse it will be when it gets to the Senate. Closer to the election it will be dragged up again on how much of a farce this whole thing is.

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  20. MaineCoon says:

    FTA: She declined formally to transmit the articles to the Senate on Wednesday evening after the House voted to impeach President Donald Trump.

    Unfortunately for them, the Senate can act, regardless — and would vote to acquit.

    That’s because the Constitution is absolutely clear about the Senate’s authority. Article I, Section 3 says: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”
    ———-

    “Shall” is the key word, legally meaning mandatory. I fit had said “may” is would be discretionary.

    IF this information is accurate I don’t see the problem. Senate goes forwad without the House naming their managers. Wouldn’t that be a benefit?

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/18/pollak-senate-can-acquit-even-if-house-doesnt-transmit-articles-of-impeachment-constitution/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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    • Johnny Boost says:

      Agreed. Mitch should have the Senate dismiss the whole thing for a variety of reasons, one of which being how irregular the whole process is.

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      • zorrorides says:

        “How irregular is it, Mitch?”
        “It is so irregular, the impeachment charges shall be rejected by me as Leader on behalf of the Senate.

        “The Senate does not accept these Articles the House passed, whether they are ‘sent’ to the Senate or remain in the House. Let me explain. The charges list no crimes. The charges list two unexplained concepts as cause to take Elective Office away from the citizen lawfully elected as President. It is a Bill of Attainder.

        “This is forbidden to Congress by the Constitution. The Senate will have no part of it and will not cast any vote regarding it. The Senate declares the House is acting against the Constitution and will have nothing to do with their actions.”

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      • bruzedorange says:

        I think Dems and their media megaphones would be very happy to have that issue for their Senate campaigns–“Republican senators just simply dismissed years of work in order to protect their corrupt Republican president.”

        “Orange man bad; his lackey, do-worse-than-nothing senators, badder!”

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    • Pokey says:

      This is true. Is there anything that our founders didn’t think about? Our Constitution is the greatest legal document ever written, and it gave us the first real chance at securing a Republic of free people.

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      • zekness says:

        the genius of the men who created this system cannot be overstated.

        imagine if you were to bring them from the grave and have them evaluate how their dreams were fulfilled against the very corrupt HOST OF SCHEMES by the demented dims?

        founders: this is what we were most fearful of! We prayed for guidance…and God have us the answers that would be helpful to all time.

        that’s what they would say….they understood the duty the had was to preserve and to protect the natural rights of man against corruption.

        it’s marvelous…and it’s worthy of celebrating..even and especially in these very dark miserable tests of good versus evil.

        if we follow these laws, we are directly obeying god.

        a point that needs to be very clear to all americans…even and especially the unwashed detractors.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Yes to both pokey and zekness. The work of God through the authors of our Constitution makes it the greatest document there is. USA is the only counrty other than Israel that was founded on Godly principles and guidance. I commented yesterday that President Trump is a Christian and has honored God in all his presidential actions and although the impeachment was/is extremely disturbng to me, I know God is sovereign. Scripture states He does not do evil, but we have evil on this earth now due to sin and satan. But, in Gen 50:20 God can use evil for good in the lives of those purposed for Him.

          As bad as this all seems to me, I do believe Scripture and believe God’s overall plan for these events will be used for good in President Trump’s life and his term. There is a big, big picutre here, and God is using PTrump for great and good things for His glory. Only God can fix this mess in a way that brings good.

          Merry Christmas.

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  21. Texsun says:

    Either William Barr will go down in history as the biggest patriot our nation has ever seen or the biggest Benedict Arnold traitor. Which will it be?

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  22. mopar2016 says:

    I think the left is more frustrated than PDJT.

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  23. MustangBlues says:

    No articles of impeachment filed with senate, ergo no charges filed, charges dismissed. Ergo These articles are fruits of intentional poisonous negligence, ergo articles void in toto for future impeachment filings.

    Lawfare is so cute, all 13 year old smart boys are the darlings of the elites who are fixated 13 year old smart asses, but now the grown ups are back and reviewing busy boy law work.

    Old anarchist expression, when you destroy the law, there is no law to call on for protection,

    Except, the law of the jungle,

    how well will the lawfare boys fare in that case law word parsing environment?

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  24. GTOGUY says:

    I think the Republicans need Joe DiGenova to handle the defense for Impeachment.

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  25. Nan says:

    Can’t see what the Senate’s gonna do until they have the articles of impeachment

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    • hokkoda says:

      They can write rules which bar 599 out the the 600 pages of the fake articles of impeachment, and which bar articles that depend on evidence nobody has seen.

      It’s just more proof that these articles are a fraud, and should be treated as such.

      The House cannot dictate the Senate rules. Like I wrote below, the answer to this is to have HJC subpoena Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, anybody Giuliani wants to call, the fake whistleblower, Adam Schiff, etc. then send criminal referrals to the DOJ regardless of what they say.

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      • dallasdan says:

        IMO, McConnell wants the trial. He is going to “play it straight.” He will not procedurally scuttle Pelosi’s tactics to delay and influence the Senate rules.

        SD’s observation that the associated court cases can now be leveraged as evidence-enabling requirements for the Senate trial is accurate, and it will likely elongate the impeachment process which will do maximum possible harm to the President.

        I don’t expect McConnell will respond aggressively in support of the President.

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        • bentley1blog says:

          I have that same feeling. Pray we are wrong.

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        • hokkoda says:

          I guess we’ll see, right? What the House is doing, however, is so ridiculously lawless and absurd that this is pretty easy for the Senate to slap down. The House GOP voted unanimously against impeachment yesterday, and even picked up 3 Democrats, making the “no” vote the bipartisan vote. In D.C., being able to claim a vote is bipartisan is practically a saintly act. I don’t see the House GOP voting 100% no and the Senate being a risk. At all.

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  26. neev1031 says:

    Looks like Sundance is the only person in the republican population to have read & understood the rule changes implemented by Pelosi in 2018. I would suggest, therefore, that Sundance would have the most effective countermoves figured out.

    Sundance – could you lay out the options?

    My two cents worth:
    – McConnell has stated that the Senate has to hold a trial if articles of impeachment are forwarded by the House. Without a formal submission and subsequent review, trial specifics would be moot. I know he is not reliable but this new twist should piss him off;
    – Announce list of witnesses that Senate cannot agree to – Biden, Schiff, Ukrainian prosecutors, whistleblower, Vindman, Pelosi, Nadler, …..
    – Delay Senate cooperation till Durham investigation is complete;
    – If impeachment by the House does not impact PDJT’s executive order authority, the ‘suspended’ impeachment process would be the perfect excuse to bypass Congress through EOs (House obstructing Executive function): (I) accelerate border wall construction, (II) suspend availability of lottery visas, chain immigration, … (III) accelerate deportation of criminal illegal aliens, (IV) order priority investigation & prosecution of classified info leaks, (V) disband & reconstitute the NSC, (VI) order review / study of intelligence & law enforcement agency practices & create new oversight department to prevent abuse, (VII) change intelligence & law enforcement classification authorities to prevent everything being lumped into ‘sources & methods’.

    My point here is two-fold: (a) demonstrable activity that addresses current problems, and (b) all Executive branch focused. I do not know if the President can sue the Speaker for a rigged, pre-determined process that trashed his basic rights. Even if ultimately unsuccessful, it may prevent any further action while it is being litigated & appealed.

    An indefinite hold in forwarding articles to the Senate works for PDJT too – just like a nuisance lawsuit filed only for payoff / afraid of what Durham will find or has found / do not want anyone to know about Biden corruption etc.

    Apologies for the length of this post – just really angry at what this President has to deal with. St. Teresa once said that God will never give us something we cannot handle. Maybe PDJT’s trials are needed for our country to return to its roots.

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  27. Theckman says:

    This is an all time low for politics. Pelosi looked like she was going to a Xmas party right after. Disgusting, unpatriotic, criminal that needs to address the filthy conditions in her own district and while she’s at it help address the corruption in the Catholic Church she belongs to.
    This is how she’s chosen to end her career. You can only imagine the skeletons she has in her closet, to be the face of this sham of an impeachment.
    It’s repugnant when she brings up the constitution. I truly do not believe she will go down in history as anything but a very corrupt politician. What a shame, when she had the chance to be held up as a trailblazer for future female politicians. I can’t picture too many parents pointing to her as a role model for their daughters.
    I don’t trust the Republicans and hope that the polls continue to keep them in line. All these politicians that have been around decades want Trump out.

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  28. Bryan Alexander says:

    Just an average guy here with an opinion:

    Just wait a couple of days. If the House does not assign managers by Friday, Mitch McConnell should just hold a news conference and announce:

    “The Democrats in the House of Representatives initiated a precipitous rush to impeach the president. They claimed over and over that they COULD NOT WAIT for the election, they had to remove him NOW.

    After rushing through hearings that denied him due process, they hastily got to the point of voting Articles of Impeachment….. and now decide that it isn’t necessary to actually have a Senate Trial.

    I will tell you why they are waiting: They are gauging the best time POLITICALLY to send the articles to the Senate. This is all political. POLITICAL. Playing politics with impeachment of the President of the United States.

    Well, we have a remedy for that kind of political activity. These Articles of Impeachment are dead. DEAD. They will not be considered in the Senate If they are transmitted to the Senate, we will convene and will dismiss them the same day. We will not allow bitter partisan politics to paralyze the country and the United States Congress.”

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    • mr.piddles says:

      “Just wait a couple of days.”

      Just wait a few months. Nobody will remember and/or care about any of this except for the likes of Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck, Jake Tapper, Lawrence O’Donnell, Don Lemonpuss, et al. Folks still riled up about that Weissman/Mueller Stale Fart from six months ago? Uh, thinking no. That’s why the Dems are trying to dig it up again… because everybody’s forgotten about it already.

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  29. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    Once the final House votes were tallied and the two articles passed Nancy Pelosi’s job was done.

    McConnell should summarily take up the Impeachment matter tomorrow afternoon and ask the House to send their prosecutor over to the Senate within 24 hours. If no one shows up on Friday take a Senate vote to dismiss the case entirely.

    If the democrat smartypants lawyers don’t like that let them file suit … somewhere.

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  30. hokkoda says:

    THIS is why you do not want a Senate trial. These people are f$@&ing evil.

    McConnell should advance rule changes which state that the Senate will not consider articles of impeachment older than 2 weeks, all hearsay evidence is prohibited, as is ________ evidence still working it’s way through the courts. This would be the equivalent of inventing a crime in hopes of later obtaining the proof.

    Literally, write Senate Rules stating automatic dismissal without a trial unless the articles of impeachment are legitimate. Which these are not.

    Throw it right back in their faces with a senate rules barring the articles. Give that bitch a taste of her own medicine. Then tell Lindsey Graham to subpoena Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella, and ICIG Atkinson.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Senate Rule: Articles of impeachment passed with rules not approved of by the Senate are hereby considered null and void.

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    • rayvandune says:

      Mitch also needs to say that the articles of impeachment that were passed by the House, in the exact form they were passed, are now the ONLY articles the Senate will accept from the House on this matter. Let Nancy talk her way out of that!

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  31. doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not trump is branded as impeached by the msm jackyl’s.
    the mueller,report with possible obstruction charges and tax returns are pending as SD noted, i believe they are just stalling to see if the courts uphold em or rescind em.if they rescind em then the dems will say they need em to add to the impeachment,but would (should) the court deny them access as they did not have the full formal vote to move it to the judiciary?if i was the courts i would say no.then this forces them to hold a formal vote if they want those tax records etc(which they will)BUT then would they want the minority to have a day to call witnesses.this the dems do not want.then the bidens,and schiff get called as witnesses.the SC said it will not get to the tax returns til march or so ,so they might string it along til then.

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  32. the drunk that jumped into a taxi but forgot where she lived, act II

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  33. Theckman says:

    The William Barr comment makes me nervous. I don’t buy all this lavish support from the Republicans, it just doesn’t feel right. Something is going on behind the scenes.
    Look at what they tried to do with Russia. That did not work so damage control with that and msm is even throwing bones about the FiSA abuse.
    The media and corrupt politicians on both sides are counting on the public’s lack of sustained ability to pay attention. They are doing this around the holidays another distraction. The delay is because they have damning information that they feel gives them a real shot at getting enough of the public sentiment to change. Once that happens the senators can get Trump to resign. They believe the public will tire of it enough and notice how every channel on msm keeps talking about the historical significance of Trump being impeached.
    That is BRAINWASHING. It should be reported that it is a travesty that impeachment is now being used as a tool to get rid of a president that was elected by the people. The arrogance of these politicians is vile.
    This is how the holocaust started. We should be up in arms NOW.
    This is not acceptable. There are too many unknowns about what happens next. Too many politicians powerful figures pulling the strings to predict what’s up their sleeve next. We can not be complacent.
    If they’ve decided Trump doesn’t get four more years this is not a half ass plan, it’s a methodical one. Just watch Pelosi she looked like the cat that swallowed the canary!

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  34. My God! That picture of those 7 old, ugly, unhealthy looking people at the end of Sundance’s post is very eerie and sickening.

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  35. That’s because the Constitution is absolutely clear about the Senate’s authority. Article I, Section 3 says: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.” You’re in Cocaine Mitch’s court, now.

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  36. islandpalmtrees says:

    Based on this “Such a partisan vote would deny constitutional legitimacy to impeachment.” the President Lawyers should challenge this impeachment in the Supreme Court before the Lawfare Group can react. I would probably start with a FARA violation on the Lawfare, now.

    “All House Democrats will vote for impeachment and nearly all House Republicans will vote against it. Such a partisan vote would deny constitutional legitimacy to impeachment. It was because of this fear of partisanship in the House that the Framers left the ultimate decision to remove an official to the Senate. The framers intended the Senate, which was not popularly elected at the time the Constitution was written, to be less partisan and act more like judges.

    The Supreme Court chief justice presides over the Senate removal trial of a sitting president, and adding that key judicial element would seem to demonstrate a desire by the Framers to have a presiding officer whose very job description is to do justice without regard to party or person. In both of the previous removal trials of former Presidents Andrew Johnson and Clinton, however, the chief justice played a traditionally symbolic role.”

    http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/468483-a-partisan-impeachment-vote-is-exactly-what-the-framers-feared

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  37. 2Alpha says:

    MAKE NO MISTAKE- This maneuver has the sole purpose of damaging President Trump so the voters will turn against him in 2020.

    The Communist Democrats never intended to remove The President with impeachment and never intended to allow a full trial in The Senate. Pelosi likes the show… She cannot give up control.

    Any Senate trial will expose massive criminal wrongdoing by both Democrats and Republicans. As he has publically stated, Sen Graham has vowed to kill impeachment quickly without ANY trial. But now the House Democrats have pulled the rug out from The Senate’s plans.

    It remains to be seen if Sen McConnell can simply create a new set of rules to deal with this development.

    In the meantime, all the Democrat 2020 Presidential candidates will not be pulled off their campaigns to attend a Senate trial and they can create slogans and ads with the language that they are running against an ‘impeached’ President. But the ‘progressives’ underestimate the strength of We The People. We will re-elect Donald Trump over their objections, by hook or by crook!

    This is not what The Framers had in mind when they created our system of government. The criminal Pelosi and her Bolsheviks mean to take over our government.
    Vladimir Lenin would be proud of Comrade Pelosi.

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  38. OlderAndWiser says:

    You know, it’s a funny thing. I’ve been watching the news about Impeachment, but also have been living a life. Went on a vacation. Sold a house. Watched my investments. And I love PDJT, and love what he’s done for the economy, the markets, the country. And I never wanted him impeached.
    And the funny thing is that my emotions were not what I expected – the impeachment thing didn’t really hit me hard at all. It’s like all the other arrows they’ve thrown at PDJT. And I would bet that 100 years from now (if not much sooner), the Dems will be shown to be the poor players they are – and the Trump Impeachment would be nullified. The stain on his presidency will be washed away.
    And then I saw snippets of Trump at his rally. And he’s acting the same way.

    I think we all act the same way – what Impeachment? Ignore the bastards. Keep doing what we’re doing – except we work harder to re-elect Trump. That’ll drive them even crazier – if that is at all possible.

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  39. FPCHmom says:

    Lin Wood has an interesting 6 tweet string about what needs to happen (constitutionally) if the house refuses to send articles over.

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  40. The Red Pill says:

    Best check your constitution.

    The Senate DOES NOT have to wait for anything. They can dismiss at anytime.

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  41. TMonroe says:

    Remember how “fair” Grassley was in the Kavanaugh debacle, and how that spun out of control?

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  42. Thomas Raymer says:

    If McConnell does not swat Pelosi down tomorrow then he is working WITH HER

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  43. PMadison says:

    I’m pretty confident that even if they won all 3 court cases, these fools still wouldn’t have anything.

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  44. Austin Holdout says:

    I think I read that after impeachment the Senate can’t take up any other business until it’s resolved. Anyone know if that’s true? If so, the strategy may be to prevent the Senate from confirming any more judges.

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    • Mortimer says:

      It is true, but the Senate can end this on its own. Don’t need anything from the House.

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      • zorrorides says:

        It’s not a real Article of Impeachment, the crimes are unexplained, the only purpose is to punish the elected citizen and his voters/ supporters.

        Bill of Attainder is the definition that fits it, and the Constitution forbids it to Congress. The Senate does not need to vote about it; only declare the Articles are rejected and will not be accepted.

        The House is welcome to start over and strive for an acceptable new product.

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  45. icanhasbailout says:

    It’s published on the House website, therefore the Senate should deem it transmitted since in actual fact it has been. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/755

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  46. S. Armaticus says:

    I am very heartened that those commenting are identifying the true root cause of this #fakeimpeachment debacle. The key to understanding what is happening is that we are dealing with Marxism and the democRats are in fact neo-Marxists. He is the primer to understand the present state of play.

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  47. Why aren’t we making life more difficult for Tribe? Where does he live, where is his office. Where are his classrooms? Why not make him uncomfortable for a change? Why not make Harvard uncomfortable for a change. Set up a date, name the locales to visit and lets organize a visit to the Narcissist Prof.Tribe and his enablers…

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