Senator Kennedy asks President Trump to Declassify FISA Application…

The original requests to declassify the Carter Page FISA application came in January 2018 as a result of the Nunes memo.   A classified and heavily redacted version of the application was released July 21st, 2018.  A month later, in August 2018, Congress again requested the Trump administration to declassify the document(s).

In September 2018 DAG Rod Rosenstein told the President if he followed through with the request Special Counsel Mueller would consider that an obstruction of his investigation:

As a consequence of the Rosenstein threat President Trump reversed course (tweets above) and announced after Horowitz completed his investigation the FISA would be declassified and released.

The mid-term elections were held in November 2018; democrats took over the House.

In March 2019, after the Special Counsel finished his investigation, a now minority in congress again formally asked President Trump (3rd time) to declassify the FISA application.

On May 23rd, 2019, President Trump announced he was giving Attorney General Bill Barr the authority to declassify the FISA application, timed to support the IG investigation:

The DOJ has argued in court that President Trump has delegated his declassification authority to the U.S. Attorney General, and the AG is under no requirement to make any information public.

On December 9th, 2019, IG Horowitz published his 500 page report on the details of the FISA application; but did not include the application itself.  It was not declassified.

Today, Senator John Kennedy (R-LA), again asks President Trump to declassify the FISA application.  This is the fifth request from congress:

WASHINGTON – Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) is calling on President Trump to declassify the record of the FBI’s use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to surveil former campaign adviser Carter Page after the Justice Department’s inspector general found errors in the applications.

“The Inspector General report showed the FBI was willing to do anything in order to spy on Carter Page, including making 17 significant inaccuracies and omissions. The American public deserves to know everything the FBI did,” Kennedy said in a statement Friday.

“I’m asking President Trump to declassify the entire record so that Attorney General Barr and FBI Director Wray can release it to the American people. If the FBI wants to continue the employment of rogue, politically-motivated agents, then let the public read the entire record.”  (read more)


This is only one document; however, the intransigence of the DOJ and FBI to release the declassified material to the public is based on one objective: protect the institutions and the officials within those institutions from exposure of their corrupt activity.

There is no investigative value in hiding the FISA application from public review.  This willful effort to conceal damaging material to the DOJ and FBI is similar to the reason why the DOJ refuses to provide the origination material, scope memos, for the special counsel.

It has been 200 days since President Trump empowered AG Bill Barr to release the original authorizing framework of the Mueller investigation which began on May 17, 2017.

The Mueller investigation concluded nine months ago, and yet we are not allowed to know what the authorizing 2017 framework was?…. Nor the 2nd DOJ scope memo of August 2nd, 2017?… Nor the 3rd DOJ scope memo of October 20th, 2017?….

Amid the twists and turns many people have forgotten about the material congress asked President Trump to declassify two years ago.  Additionally there has been some material cited that just seemingly slipped away without follow-up.  Consider:

  • Whatever happened to the forty pages of Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe text messages that Catherine Herridge noted nine months ago?  Herridge only published four of the pages in March 2019.
  • Why are the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages still redacted two years after their original release (December 1st, 2017)?
  • Where’s the release of the Susan Rice inauguration day memo to the file?
  • Why didn’t the DOJ/FBI release all of the Bruce Ohr 302’s without redaction?  Will those fully unredacted 302’s be part of the IG report release?
  • Where’s the unredacted David Archey FBI declarations that were previously ordered to be released by a DC judge?
  • The Mueller investigation ended 9 months ago.  Why are we still not able to see the  unredacted three authorization memos that Rosenstein gave to the special counsel on May 17th, August 2nd and October 20th, 2017?

Those simple questions (and releases) are in addition to the original list that congress provided to President Trump back in the summer of 2018.  A declassification list that DAG Rod Rosenstein asked President Trump not to release until after the Mueller investigation. Again, the Mueller investigation ended nine months ago; President Trump authorized AG Bill Barr to declassify the material six months ago on May 23rd.

This was the second list from congress in the summer of 2018:

  • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (FBI) (ODNI).
  • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI) [Without redactions]
  • All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI). All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI) [Without redactions]
  • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
  • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)  Presumably this would include the recently revealed State Dept Kavalac email; and the FBI transcripts from wiretaps of George Papadopoulos (also listed in Carter Page FISA). [AKA ‘Bucket Five’]
  • All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
  • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

Additionally, since the 2018 list was developed, more information surfaced about the underlying material.  This added to the possibility of documents for declassification:

♦ The August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to expand the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also the October 20th, 2017, third scope memo that expanded the investigation again, and targeted additional people including Michael Flynn’s family. The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

♦ The July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus.  The CIA operation  created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]  Release and declassify the declarations of FBI Agent David Archey that describe the purpose of the Comey memos:

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Did anyone question former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why did John Carlin quit immediately thereafter?

♦ The Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent, and likely based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]  What version of the FISA application will be released (if at all)?

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is likely why Page and Strzok texts were redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s without redactions.  And FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And did anyone get a deposition from this Pientka fella?] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

Yes it is good the FISA investigation report was released December 9th, but if all of the underlying documents are not declassified there is a risk the information therein is subject to interpretation and/or manipulation.

There is a lot of material the public is aware of; and if the DOJ IG doesn’t release the underlying material then what exactly was the purpose of AG Bill Barr asking President Trump for the declassification authority?

Declassification authority is not internal.  The purpose of declassifying documents is to allow a public release… Accountability requires transparency.

If you wonder why FBI Director Christopher Wray is still employed… that lack of transparency is exactly why there’s a lack of accountability.

Wait for President Trump to be impeached, and then release documents?

Great plan!


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426 Responses to Senator Kennedy asks President Trump to Declassify FISA Application…

  1. Matthew LeBlanc says:

    I want Declassification for Christmas!

    Liked by 10 people

    • Zippy says:

      I suspect the only way we’re EVER going to get ANY significant declassifications is for the POTUS to send these guys heavily armed and with no-knock warrants to the DO’J and FBI HQs:

      District of Columbia National Guard

      “The president of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the District of Columbia National Guard.”

      Liked by 6 people

      • jeff montanye says:

        “Wait for President Trump to be impeached, and then release documents?

        Great plan!”

        it may actually be a great plan. if trump gets a reasonably fair trial rather than just a quick vote not to convict.


        • old white guiy says:

          It is all BS, no trial, no more lies. Arrest all those involved for the sedition and treason they are committing. Stop it now!

          Liked by 1 person

        • Countrywatch says:

          I believe President Trump will use the trial to best advantage i.e. to expose the deep state characters and all their skulduggery. Witnesses will have to testify under oath, and President Trump’s legal team will choose those carefully in order to reveal the crimes of the deep staters, plus relevant documentation/intelligence that they have on the deep state characters. The Dems do not actually want a Senate trial as they know their crimes will be exposed. They just wanted all the drama/symbolism up to that point. However, it hasn’t worked out as they had planned and support for them is fading…

          Liked by 1 person

          • iconoclast says:

            I’m not sure many Senate Republicans want a trial either. Many are part of the Deep State, and don’t want the exposure. It looks like Mitch wants to be done with it ASAP, with little discussion.

            Liked by 2 people

            • TPW says:

              It has occurred to me that That is Nancy’s plan….get to impeach the President even present their side knowing the Senate will not hold a trial ….then none of them are exposed and Trump’s name is soiled.


      • littlebird160 says:

        U.S. Marshals

        Liked by 4 people

    • swal106 says:

      I would love that also, but I’ll take it a step further. Just as soon as the House announces the vote outcome for impeachment, EVERY redacted copy needs to be released totally unredacted. As soon then as the Senate is through with their hearings, EVERY person involved in the attempted coup, and the attempted cover-up since then needs to be fired, prosecuted and ALL retirements forfeited. There needs be a SERIOUS example set here that leaves no question unanswered as to what will happen if you include yourself in such an adventure.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Redzone says:

        swal- That’s a great approach. This is not as complicated as they are making it. If they could simply remove their foggy political goggles, the solution would be much easier to see.

        Liked by 1 person

    • richard verney says:

      I do not understand how one can begin to assess the IG report into FISA without all the FISA warrants being declassified and attached to the report as an Appendix.

      Likewise, I do not understand how one can begin to understand the Mueller report without seeing all the scope memos. They should have been declassified and form part of his report.

      Context is everything, and at the very least, one needs to see what was being investigated, alternatively what ws put before the Court when the FISA warrants were sought.

      Obviously, I would like to see everything on the bucket list, but perhaps there are reasons not to release these whilst Durham investigations are on going.

      Liked by 1 person

    • You’re not getting it Matthew. You’re getting an impeachment of President Trump, instead.

      Merry Christmas America!

      Love from your faithful, loving House Democrats!


  2. Zippy says:

    Excellent column:

    What’s Wrong With FISA?
    13 Dec 2019

    “My intelligence and law enforcement colleagues tell me that two generations of FBI agents have come of age believing that if they have a weak case, if they lack enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant, they can always get one from FISC.”

    Liked by 7 people

  3. MDNA I says:

    What was going on at the FBI seems as bad as the stuff at the CIA that became the subject of the Church Committee. I mean I guess it’s different in that there were no LSD experiments or brainwashing experiments (that we know of)…. I don’t think protecting the integrity of the FBI is ipso facto an impure motive but that’s a can of worms & there’s something more immediate\ on my mind

    Nobody really seems to “LIKE” FBI Dir Wray or think he’s doing a great job.

    AG Barr only says “full faith & confidence” which I read as pretty banal, certainly not a compliment. Almost sounds like “I haven’t cut you loose (yet)” From Joe DiGenova we know Barr wasn’t happy w/ Wray’s response to being challenged on the word “spying”. Joe DiG also spilled more tea on Wray just being someone Gov Christie knew from his past brushes w/ the law. At the time of DiG’s comments both AG Barr & POTUS were unhappy w/ him

    Obviously, POTUS is unhappy w/ him now. So my Q is: the FBI Dir position is difficult to fill. Difficult to find a nominee for. But not impossible. According to Axios Trump considers Barr ‘inner circle.’ I’m sure they’re able to talk about replacing Wray. So why haven’t we heard of any such thing yet?

    Liked by 7 people

    • Zippy says:

      “So my Q is: the FBI Dir position is difficult to fill. Difficult to find a nominee for. But not impossible.”

      I’d LOVE to volunteer. I’ll work for NOTHING.

      Liked by 6 people

    • Nobody got fired for ignoring the Parkland shooter- tips, either.

      Hell, they didn’t even miss lunch.

      Wray has got to go.

      Liked by 6 people

    • JC1974 says:

      Wray was US AAG Criminal Div when Comey and Mueller staged their “mutiny” against the Bush (Gonzales and Card) administration in 2004. He volunteered to mutiny with them. I don’t know what to believe regarding the TPS renewal… He also oversaw ENRON, and was Christie’s atty in Bridgegate. It reads to me that there was a chain of succession for FBI Dr, and despite Bob Mueller and Comey being posed against the President, he installed their little buddy Chris.

      How do you go from “valiant defenders of civil liberties from NSA spying” to “knowingly use bogus info, probably leavened with abuse of the NSA database, to spy on a political campaign”? It just doesn’t square to me, makes me question the reporting from 2004 and 2007. The Bush administration didn’t have the balls to do anything with the press.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Thinker says:

      Sundance in my opinion you left out a very big item–at least I didn’t think I saw it. What about the supposed 15 emails or communication between Seth Rich and Julian Assange? What purpose would he have to communicate with Assange? My theory is that Rich downloaded the DNC files onto a thumb drive and sent to Assange. If this is true, the DNC would certainly have motive for having Rich killed.

      Liked by 1 person

      • zekness says:

        likely seth was instrumental in “validation”…remember wikileaks publishes anything from the state that is of public interest. Namely, validation evidence. But wikileaks is not stupid. They are not going to publish unless they can verify through a number of methods the material is authentic AND complete. One has to admire and respect the level of professionalism with such a “rogue” org. If only the MSM had such a gold standard..sigh.

        anyway, what is likely is that wikileaks needed an insider who could validate that the material was authentic, and complete.

        Seth Rich was likely “approached” to perform this task.

        probably went something like this:

        WL: Seth, this is WL…we have what we believe to be a full capture of DNC emails. We are going to run with, but before we do, we need to be absolutely sure it is authentic and complete. We WIILL find someone to do this. You have some choices here a) you can refuse and we will respect and protect your refusal. We have no reason to out you. b) we can show you what we have and you can tell us, simply..yes or this authentic and complete or not

        SR: (reads all of it, and is shocked his campaign that his suspicions are correct, as he wades through the swampy deep end of it, and swallows down a bit of his lunch)…Yes, unfortunately, I have gone through it, and the files you have sent are authentic.

        WL: ok, thank you ..and we are very sorry for your situation. As agreed we will protect you as much as we can. We are know going to pass this call to someone who is going to walk you through the necessary steps to maintain opsec about your involvement here.

        SR: (throat tightens) ok..umm..yeah, well…I really need to think about this…

        WL: agreed, we think you should do that…but we also want you to be aware that if you get exposure, we will do everything we can to protect you as a source, and your laws for the press are very powerful, but it would be disengenous to imagine there would not be serious political failout on your head. so be safe and discuss this with nobody…Do that for your own protection.

        SL: yes, I will do that. I mean what choice to I have

        (then SR against his own best interests tells someone….because he isn’t very good at opsec…and discovery of a mole, leads to some violent reactions….)

        just a theory.


    • Jederman says:

      If Barr would have over-ruled Wray et al and released un-redacted documents would it have prevented the dems from impeaching PT?

      Who knows, but it would have made it much harder or they would have had to confer up a different scam. On the other hand IF they had info that would have saved PT from being impeached and refused to release them that would be one of the most depraved acts of cowardice in our history.

      If wray sat on the documents for the next 1k years in a vain attempt at “saving the institution” it still wouldn’t matter to half the country that knows wray isn’t about saving the institution, because the institution is gone, destroyed from within.

      Wray is simply obeying orders and “saving” the perps. Institutions, pfft.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Redzone says:

        Hopefully, by now, PT’s team has assembled all things needing declassification and they are all available for dissemination at a moment’s notice.

        Anyone that impeded that process for more than 60 seconds should have been / should be fired on the spot.


  4. FISA 101, from our host:

    “The FBI didn’t need the FISA warrant for additional investigation. The FBI needed a Russia narrative and to protect themselves from Trump. The FBI needed the Steele Dossier to justify their pre-existing investigation and mount a defense in the event of a Trump victory. …The FBI didn’t use the Steele Dossier as a way to exploit Carter Page for a FISA warrant against the Trump campaign. The FBI used Carter Page as a way to inject the Steele Dossier into a pre-existing investigation of the Trump campaign.”

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  5. mark says:

    Lets not forget…April 7, 2019 Nunes sends 8 criminal referrals to Barr. I know I know….we are just waiting for Durham to call a grand jury and charges will be filed.

    ………House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes exclusively told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” that he is preparing to send eight criminal referrals to the Department of Justice this week concerning alleged misconduct from “Watergate wannabes” during the Trump-Russia investigation, including the leaks of “highly classified material” and conspiracies to lie to Congress and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court.

    The dramatic step comes as Republicans have pushed for the release of key documents to uncover the origins of the now-discredited narrative that the Trump campaign colluded improperly with the Russian government. President Trump recently told Fox News he would release the entirety of the FISA applications used to surveil one of his top aides, and other related documents.

    Nunes said he has been working on the referrals for more than two years, and wanted to wait until the confirmation of Attorney General Bill Barr.

    “We’re prepared this week to notify the attorney general that we’re prepared to send those referrals over,” Nunes said. “First of all, all of these are classified or sensitive. … Five of them are what I would call straight up referrals — so just referrals that name someone and name the specific crimes,” Nunes told Maria Bartiromo. “Those crimes are lying to Congress, misleading Congress, leaking classified information. So five of them are those types.”

    Liked by 2 people

    • Ray Runge says:

      Nunes’ criminal referrals and ZERO response from Bagpipes is the initiation of the “Paging Bill Barr, Paging Bill Barr” response to his do NOTHING attorney Gen regime.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Julian says:

        Why doesn’t Nunes indict these criminals? Why send referrals? He’s acting like Hannity. I haven’t seen Hannity indicting people to solve the problem.

        These people need to step up.

        President Trump and his handpicked Attorney-General Bill Barr can’t do everything!!!


        • CM-TX says:

          Nunes CAN’T indict anyone. He can only make criminal referrals to D0J.

          That’s why this whole process by Congress, “hey guys, let’s have a HEARING,” is a shitshow RUSE!
          There’s absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY w/o any FOLLOW-UP in Criminal CONSEQUENCES!

          It’s a BROKEN SYSTEM. We’d be wise to STOP letting them get away with it!

          Liked by 1 person

        • CM-TX says:

          Also Nunes is the only one I know of, that has personally filed civil lawsuits against Twatter, F/CNN, & possibly whoever was behind stealing his phone records.
          He’s trying the only way he can.

          He also begged PDJT long ago to declassify certain material. But it never came to fruition.

          Liked by 1 person

    • mark- thanks for posting. It seems those 8 referrals are about 1000 times worse than anything in the phony articles of “impeachment.”

      Liked by 1 person

  6. MR52 says:

    Question, the DNC paid GPS to get dirt on Trump and that was ok, but Trump having his personal attorney to do research is not? Something is wrong with that picture.

    Second thing, by un-classifying during the impeach trial, does it not protect Trump from an appearance of obstruction. I suspect that it does not make it out of the house to go to the senate.

    One in the Senate, there is going to be a lot of damage. I think both from Dems and GOPs. Romney might even go down in the process. Lets hope. Who can Gary Herbert replace him with. Same with the douche bag in Georgia. Wonder if Sessions will be able to tell where all the dead bodies are too. Christmas is coming.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Carly says:

      The left is used to Rs taking a dive or having their arms and hands held back while the left delivers repeat gut-punches. Any other way, in their minds, is unfair.

      Liked by 2 people

    • CM-TX says:

      PDJT declassifying to EXPOSE the FRAUD– is NOT Obstruction.

      The only thing I will give Barr credit for in having said in hearing: (paraphrasing)
      In order for their to be Obstruction, there HAS TO BE an underlying CRIME for BASIS.
      No Crime = No Obstruction.

      For some reason… PDJT keeps believing the opposite.
      Meanwhile, the Left keeps distorting the Law.

      Liked by 1 person

      • CM-TX says:

        Looking at it another way…

        HRC’s team DELETING 30,000 emails, scrubbing a server, smashing blackberries with hammers, having FBI destroy laptops – while under a Order of Subpoena to Preserve Evidence = OBSTRUCTION.
        *(Hey Comey, you missed a VERY relevant EMAIL conversation!)

        It’s also Consciousness of Guilt.

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  7. Putting On Its Shoes says:

    Reposting here from another thread — more on-topic here.

    Maybe off topic for this thread, but on topic for the general coup efforts:
    So it turns out — doesn’t it? — that the Horowitz “FISA” review only ended up looking into a small fraction of the illegal and improperly predicated spying on the Trump campaign because the only FISA warrant was for Carter Page.

    But we know there was surveillance of Papadopoulos, Flynn and Manafort that was likely just as intrusive, that probably was done with “National Security Letters” and other methods, which were falsely predicated as well. It appears Horowitz didn’t get anywhere near this other surveillance, and the press/democrats (I repeat myself) are pretending this illegal spying on those people did not even occur. I am sure the FBI committed just as many or more improprieties in that spying.

    Lastly, no one has disclosed the full range of information that was obtained through the Page warrant, which would really illuminate the extent of illegal FBI activity. And no one has disclosed the full range of information scooped up in the Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos spying,
    So the Horowitz review probably disclosed a fraction of the illegal spying done by the FBI/DOJ on the quad of Page, Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos (and those people in the orbit of the quad). We still no nothing of the extent of this terrible abuse in the DOJ/FBI alone.
    And that still excludes everything outside of the DOJ/FBI, including the NSA, CIA, Britain, Italy, Australia, etc.

    Nor did Horowitz even review the illegal NSA database searches. Certainly Nellie and/or other Fusion people got access.

    There is still a gross covering of illegal government activity.

    Liked by 5 people

    • LDave says:

      Id like to know how the information obtained from the warrants was shared with Hillary’s campaign.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Redzone says:

        I’m guessing from all the leaks to the MSM. Just turn on the TV. Russia, Russia, Russia. Plus, I’m sure a few hard copies made their way around like the one to McCain that he shared with Graham.

        Liked by 4 people

        • zekness says:

          yup..the leaks were not simply to circle back with “cause” for the fisa was to alert DNC/hilary in broad daylight: take it from here.

          also note that feinstein pulled the same but for different reasons: to alert potential defendants how to get out ahead of the troubles ..narrative shaping was added for bonus points.


    • Guffman says:

      And how about the IGs report stating that the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was started by the FBI solely as a result of Downer telling them that Papadopolous told him he knew about the Russians having Crooked Hillary’s emails.
      The problem with that is that PapaD has consistently denied ever discussing anything about Russians or Crooked’s emails in that one and only meeting he had with Downer.
      So how did the IG just accept that fairytale as fact from the FBI? The BS never ends….

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  8. Raptors2020 says:

    We found out the answer during Schiff’s hearings. The bureaucracy is the true government. They get to decide what we know. Elections are for show. Most of these documents will never be released.

    Royalty locks their idiot relatives up in the tower. They don’t present them at court to foreign ambassadors. And bureaucrats make their mistakes disappear in the bureaucratic style, into the shredder, or at least behind the filing cabinet.

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    • Patrick Healy says:

      Great comment and your analogy about locking up the crazies in London tower could not be more apt with one pedo Prince and one global warming nutter as king in-waiting over here.
      Sadly we do not do that any more. Come to think of it, the tower is not big enough to accommodate them plus Corbyn and Soreass with all his little Antifa rioters on the streets of London. Then we have the Mayor with his ‘religion of peace’ followers.
      At least crazy Boris won.

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  9. jus wundrin says:

    Every senate repub should be standing behind Sen. Kennedy on this. Otherwise their silence is extremely deafening.

    Liked by 6 people

  10. MaineCoon says:

    Wray recommended Sally Yates for DoJ. Both practiced at King & Spalding.

    Wray won’t produced many of the unredacted documents. He is covering-up the illegal actions of many.

    Why is Barr complicit is this cover-up? Who is he covering for? During Barr’s first AG tenure, were any of the other King & Spalding attorney’s at DoJ also, ie Larry Thompson, Wray’s first stint there, Gary Grindler, Griffen Bell?

    Is Barr complicit in this cover-up of not releasing these redacted dcouments due to a conflict of interest concerning some of these K&S attorneys who he might have served with during his first AG timeframe, including Wray?

    I smell a real conflict of interest, somewhere, somehow. Why else would Barr allow an innocent president to be impeached?

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  11. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    As I read through the FISA application again I’m reminded, at the very end, that it was Sally Yates who signed off, not Loretta Lynch. Lynch has reportedly claimed she doesn’t remember anything about the FISA warrant. How convenient. If you were the DAG, and the target of the FISA warrant was someone working for the GOP nominee for President, and you knew that nominee would be caught up in the surveillance, wouldn’t you at least tell your boss??? To say “Hey, I’m not sure we should be doing this”???

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      That’s a snowball of crap that would melt from the heat put on pencilneck Yates.

      Liked by 1 person

    • zekness says:

      its likely she was not involved…not with paper to prove it anyway…no, lynch would not be able to have official involvment or this exposes here boss, that black woman who loitered in the whitehouse for 8 years….

      think compartment opsec….but also realize these are not the sharpest knives either.

      me things Barr would do well to have a full email and official record of between comey and lynch office. not impossible to know this.

      how to use it? therein lies the lever…

      what is one way to destroy your enemy…annihilate them..or make them kneel to your demands? choices


  12. zekness says:

    I am meeting with Representative Clay Higgins Tomorrow!

    ***********Join me for a town hall meeting to discuss impeachment.
    My congressional office will host a town hall meeting on Saturday, December 14 in Lake Charles at the SEED Center to answer questions and discuss my objective opinions of efforts to impeach President Trump.

    As a member of the Oversight Committee, I’ve participated in the secret SCIF depositions. I’ve attended or lead many, many meetings and briefings, and I have collected a massive compilation of research, data, and notes. As a Constitutionalist with a background in law enforcement, I have carefully studied and reviewed this impeachment effort as it has developed. Now, Democrats have introduced actual Articles of Impeachment. I’ve been inside the belly of the beast. You have questions about impeachment. I have answers. I encourage you to join us at this town hall. We’ve moved quickly to arrange this gathering because I serve We, the People.

    The full event details and a link to RSVP are listed below. It’s an honor to serve you, and I hope that you can join us on Saturday.

    SD and Others:

    can you please post a list of questions (prioritized) that would be helpful for me (and others) to raise to other representatives ?

    Here is the THREE questions I am proposing:

    1. Should the President of the United States declassify and release the entire fisa application and associated memos and filings right now ? If so, why? If not, why?

    2. What is your position in the Patriot Act/Freedom Act in its current practice? Do you believe that the FBI and other IC’s have expanded an authority, beyond the powers that congress gave it, to spy and monitor US citizens violates a basic limit under the constitution?

    3. What are your priorities to reform the patriot act to prevent any future abuses of spying on US citizens?

    I really want to laser focus my questions and make sure my representative can respond to the surveillance state authorities and loopholes that enabled this russia-gate to happen in the first place.

    So I ask for your input in refining a series of questions that will best represent the concern and at the same time give Mr. Higgins the opportunity to go back to D.C. with a clear set priorities from one of his constituents.

    the format of this meeting is an open public town hall. It is unlikely this local (Lake Charles, Louisiana) townhall type of engagement will be recorded or replayed by national MSM. My team will be there to videotape the entire meeting, openly with audio. There will be an expected 500-2,000 people in attendance.

    I will not be the only person asking questions. I may not get the opportunity to be called to ask questions.

    Tonight I plan to send Mr. Higgin’s directly a set of questions that he can be prepared to address.

    thank you for any help in getting to the fundamental set of issues that he can be motivated to examine and actually work with other members to correct.



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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      Mr 52- apples and oranges. Rudy is over in Ukraine doing research concerning corruption. Our previous aid money, Burisma, bribes, etc. Mob type stuff. Who in the world better than Rudy to do that….nobody. And not like the Fusion –it is no secret what he is doing. Rudy is upfront about it…not sneaky and underhanded.
      And have read where Ukraine has people who want to come and testify …but strangely the State Department won’t give them Visas to do that. Wonder why.
      OANN just did a series of interviews with some of those people in Ukraine. You should watch.
      And that Burisma was even known by the Obama Administration and Ambassadors to be corrupt, that politicians even questioned giving aid during the Obama Administration.(watch the excerpts where even those ambassadors admitted it) ..Yeah…Rudy will be the one to know what to look for. Rudy is over the target. That is why they are upset.
      And that Hunter Biden worked for Burisma, I really don’t think that was covered very much on the Fake News…ha-ha
      And that POTUS is standing up to Congress and calling them out, and refusing to be bothered by their childish demands, hey….that’s a winner for sure. About time that someone stood up to them. “Appearances” can be deceiving….but his standing up to them….only wins points for a lot us…we are not too fond of politicians.

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      • Zabadak says:

        “And have read where Ukraine has people who want to come and testify …but strangely the State Department won’t give them Visas to do that. Wonder why.”

        Yes, we have.

        Where’s Pompeo?

        The State Department is up to their collective necks in all of this. They are the tyrannical force governing our Country.

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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      Zekness, please take notes and fill us in on the townhall! You have a pretty good set of questions….thanks.

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      • zekness says:

        will do. I am recording all of it… I will release a full uncurated video doc of the entire town hall. We have limited av equipment but I have asked Mr. Higgins to also record the event and share it with the public in full.

        I am really running out of time. I was only informed of his town hall today..and the even it 1030 AM local (CMT) tomorrow, saturday 13 Dec 2019.

        looking forward to sharing the big tickets items here for everyone to read for themselves.

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        • Austin Holdout says:

          Zekness, I like your questions. I wonder how creative and forthcoming Rep Higgins if you asked: “Other than voting and participating in meetings like this, what are the most effective ways for “we, the people” to get Congress’ attention and try to stop this impeachment?”

          Good luck and thanks for sharing.

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          • zekness says:

            I can predict this question WILL be asked by at least 40 other people I know who will be raising it.

            His response is unpredictable He is first and most, a staunch conservative “rule of law” law enforcement peace officer. He was voted into office on the basis of some spectacular and sensational media pieces depicting him as the rough and ready “sheriff” who will aggressively seek justice.

            that the criminal element is at the highest levels of government will be a real test of his spirit and political substance.

            I think he will be very careful about how to respond to even the suggestion of anything that even remotely casts him in favor of town justice…but I do know he is a strong advocate for citizens to be forceful in law enforcement matters. he really cares about justice. His entire image and experience has been to leverage the public in helping fight crime.

            I think he will have alot to say about what we can do…but I do not believe he will go as far as saying outright, grab your guns and strap up on the mall….I’m not sure that would be safe or wise for anyone to suggest it. We aren’t at that moment…should that crisis become a reality however, I see Higgins leading the militia here in a heart beat. No doubt about it.

            but we are not there ….and hopefully, god help us all, this crisis is resolved in a way that avoids direct armed conflict.

            but being prepared, as always, is a good practice..

            I really believe that.

            there is a reason why we have some very specific protected rights…the threats are real, and unpredictable. One does not understand this, if they are ignorant of history and these threats that do exist.

            Higgins is our representative that can make the necessary changes…but he isn’t the only source of our true natural rights. And he would agree.



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    • Redzone says:

      Zekness- this was posted on the 12/13 Presidential Thread. READ THIS article, print it, and bring him a copy.

      You can likely come up with a solid question or 2 that will get his attention on why PT is not guilty of anything.

      lgstarr on December 13, 2019 at 2:03 am
      Sundance, this little “accounting error” seems like something you would address:

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      • zekness says:

        I may forward this to Mr. Higgins separately..I believe its important, but understandably the format and time limit seems not adequate to dive really deep into details of this magnitude. Understand that I do not want to present Mr. Higgins with material that he is unprepared to entertain, and I also realize there is no value in aggravating the rest of my fellow neighbors here in the community by diverging into topics that really require a huge amount of time to digest. I am also not familiar with these issues, they are new to my knowledge, so I would not represent these issues accurately or completely.

        I do appreciate the feedback, and I will forward this to his office for consideration.

        What I have to keep in mind, is that the amount of time is limited and I DO recognize my concerns are but one of many that should be heard tomorrow.

        My questions therefore, must be efficient, knife edged, and presented so that everyone in the room can understand them and relate to them and gain mutual respect and support.

        If I had to guess, Mr. Higgins will want to hear from as many person in the group as possible AND still have time left to make his remarks her has prepared.

        I do not have a total time alloted for the town hall, but if history is should run about 3-4 hours max…with about half of that time for Mr. Higgins presenting his agenda and goals. I plan to sit near the front and I have asked Mr. Higgins to recognize me with some pre-agreed questions. I have agreed to ask him at least one of the three questions I have listed above. I have also stated that I may offer up some other questions, if time and opportunity allows it. These town halls are unpredictable in some respects. There may be some discussion areas, that gain much more attention to the group than he or I can predict and I respect the value of setting aside my own selfish purposes …even if I think they are more important than lets say “why is my parish increasing local sales tax by 1.5%”…etc.

        Right know only 10 hours and thirty minutes before the town hall.

        I plan to meet with one of his staffer onsite one hour before the town hall and hand deliver the three main questions I have, in writing. In case, I do not get called, he can, if he so chooses, to bring them up as his own.

        In this way, I am hoping he can speak to some very critical parts about this impeachment that go to the very essence of what this impeachment really are about:

        patriot act/freedom powers that need to be re-examined
        FISA abuse controls and checks.
        proper justice for those held criminally liable for abusing their official powers to surveil american citizens with false and manufactured predicate.

        I think these are the three major issues…eveything else, in my view, is just symptoms of the disease.

        I want Mr. Higgins to acknowledge that his constituents are best served by him taking a serious position on how to reform these and mitigate against the weaponization of a wholly unconstitutional abuse of powers made possible by a weak a train sized loopholes located in the patriot act and fisa procedures.

        basically, I want Mr. Higgins to speak to the secret police state and seek to eliminate it and re-direct the surveillance programs back to its intended purpose as originally designed: fighting foreign terrorism..and only that. For all other domestic investigations, it’s court warrants..all the way down.

        His law enforcement experience should be helpful in getting these issues some traction in my community of patriots. We see this new development as the most dangerous existential threat to both security and privacy.

        There is one thing that binds common interest with people in my area: we are very very distrustful of big government. As our state has a storied history of corruption at the highest levels (Louisiana), we look at the direction of top law enforcement as a clear and present danger to our way of life and liberty and freedoms.

        Our local law enforcement personnel are of like mind.

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  13. Spending Galore....Spend More says:

    i’d love to state for the record in the here and the now….

    I’m not happy about another spending bill agreed upon by both sides, while they force feed this impeachment sham down our throats. This is all the more reason the R’s shouldn’t have been giving the D’s the legitimacy by sitting in any of these hearings.

    I find it interesting SD hasn’t brought this out yet….

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  14. Yy4u says:

    Hubby and I saw “Richard Jewell” today. It is a fantastic film, fantasic acting esp by Kathy Bates as Jewell’s mother. I recomned everyone see it no matter what you think of Hollyweird. Had I seen this film 10 years ago, even tho it is based on reality, I could not have believed the FBI would behave as it behaved toward this American citizen. I knew the media were vultures but Eastwood stripped them nude in Bates’s speech about two of the most powerful entities in America (FBI and media) focused on destroying her son (an innocent American citizen). Everything they did to Jewell, an average American, they did and are doing to Donald Trump, (a billionaire) and now President Donald Trump. Jewell had a great lawyer but what happened go him makes me wonder how many innocent people were destroyed by these two out of control entities (press and FBI) now conjoined twins. Dont miss this movie.

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    • Zippy says:

      Steven Hatfill

      Hatfill became “the subject of a flood of news media coverage beginning in mid-2002, after television cameras showed Federal Bureau of Investigation agents in biohazard suits searching his apartment” and then Attorney General John Ashcroft named him “person of interest” in the investigation on national television.[1] Hatfill’s home was repeatedly raided by the FBI, his phone was tapped, and he was extensively surveilled for more than two years; he was also fired from his job at Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC).[2] “At a news conference in August 2002, Hatfill tearfully denied that he had anything to do with the anthrax letters and said irresponsible news media coverage based on government leaks had destroyed his reputation”.[1] Hatfill filed a lawsuit in 2003, accusing the FBI agents and Justice Department officials who led the criminal investigation of leaking information about him to the press in violation of the federal Privacy Act.[1]

      In 2008, the government settled Hatfill’s lawsuit with a $4.6 million annuity totaling $5.8 million in payment. The government officially exonerated Hatfill of any involvement in the anthrax attacks…

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    • Garavaglia says:

      Thanks for the recommendation. I was falsely charged with a felony, in Ms., and it was scary. 3 days in nonviolent offenders pod, had to hire a lawyer to fight off false felony charges (lawyer charges higher fee for felony over misdemeanor, even when the charge is false. He was able to finally get the substance tested (they laughed at me when I begged them to test it, said they were “fresh out of testing kits). Once it was tested, they couldn’t release me fast enough. What they thought was an illicit substance ended up being crushed cashews I had in my jacket pocket. I was probably looking at 5 years. My view of government and law enforcement was changed forever from that experience. The “matrix” was unveiled. I am the last person a prosecutor wants sitting in that jury box. Better have video or DNA buddy. I don’t think it is possible to understand how wicked these people can be (all levels) until it happens to you.

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      • CM-TX says:

        Not surprised. But sorry you went thru that. Until they start holding LE/Prosecutors liable for willful negligence, a/o malicious prosecutions/persecutions – nothing will change.
        They should face at least equal the time faced by victims for their BS. Double it if the person served actual time.

        In such cases by Gov Justice hacks- the same, (plus) personally liable for any financial restitution [not taxpayers!]!

        Actual OVERSIGHT with Real CONSEQUENCES is the only way the ABUSE STOPS!

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  15. Bogeyfree says:

    If no indictments come about and/or the public never gets to see any declassified documents then……..

    This would be Obstruction of Justice on the American people IMO.

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    • Jederman says:

      Like Epstein?

      I’d be more confident in Barr if he hadn’t put the cherry on top of the cover-up with …suspicious, but a perfect set of once in a life time mistakes that resulted in the untimely death (the first in over ten years in that facility) of one of the highest profile inmates in recent history… .

      There are only a few options that explain that position. Against incalculable odds suicide is the truth, he/they are covering up for someone/others he (and PT?) didn’t want to take on… .

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  16. go boondock saints on the whole lot of them

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  17. Those documents can be used in the Senate trial and the entire country can see direct evidence of the coup in real-time. The greatest courtroom drama in our Reality TV Republic’s history!

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    • ezpz2 says:

      They can be used in a senate trial even if they’re released now/soon.

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      • If they are released now, then apart from a few fringe sites like this, most people will hear If they are released now, then apart from a few fringe sites like this, most people will hear of them through the distorted spinning lenses of the media. A trial is a focused, one-off national drama.

        Also, until they are releases, they are leverage. Trump is pretty good with leverage.

        Until he absolutely has to, I don’t think he wants to release them, as happy as that would make many of his supporters calling for the jailing and execution of some of the coup perpetrators.

        Also, until they are releases, they are leverage. Trump is pretty good with leverage.

        Until he absolutely has to, I don’t think he wants to release them, as happy as that would make many of his supporters calling for the jailing and execution of some of the coup perpetrators.


        • ezpz2 says:

          Truth, facts, sunlight should be separate from politics, and should not be used as ‘leverage’ imho.

          The public has a right to know, and in light of the sham impeachment, now more than ever.

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  18. flyboy46 says:

    I don’t think we will see this “stuff” till John Durham is done indicting people. He doesn’t want his targets knowing more than he has to let out. Bill Barr didn’t come out of a comfortable retirement to cover up this “steaming pile” of stuff. He came out because he wants to see real Justice done. Patience friends, “Mr. Durham has a monstrous job ahead of him, and I’ll put my money on him.

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    • ezpz2 says:

      From this article, Sundance:

      “There is no investigative value in hiding the FISA application from public review…”

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      • mr.piddles says:

        The Durham investigation extends (at least) into 2017. TBH honest, I don’t think we know what he may or may not require as evidence for a Grand Jury, etc. I could imagine the Carter Page FISA Warrant being Exhibit A, B, or C as key evidence of a criminal conspiracy involving many players. Who within the DOJ/FBI promoted the fraudulent evidence in direct support of the Carter Page FISA Warrrant … and why? Who signed and re-signed the Warrant (we already know this, of course)… and why (for this, we don’t “know” the true motivations)? What role did the FISA Warrant play in the Mueller investigation? Was it the entire episode just abject idiocy… or a carefully crafted conspiracy to bring down The President Of The United States with just some useful idiots on the periphery (Rosenstein, likely Mueller, and some others)?

        We already know about doctored evidence. Pretty big freaking deal, IMO. And that’s just the proverbial tip of the proverbial iceberg that we’ve been allowed to see so far.

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    • CM-TX says:

      Hold up…
      Consider the sheer numbers of those involved, the countless crimes committed – the ones we already KNOW about. ALL of it is connected, & part of “The Resistance”.

      Do you honestly believe ONE man who was doing a “REVIEW” of the “MATTERS”– or until just recently– really has a handle on much of this? Does he remotely grasp the monstrosity of what’s been done here? It ain’t going back in the bottle.

      Consider HORowitz had something like 300-400 staff, & 2 YEARS– & look what he produced… squat! He couldn’t even find ANY BIAS, despite the most OBVIOUS of motives, & a ROADMAP!

      And if Durham were truly a career-long badass people feared… then how the he11 did ALL the agencies get so thoroughly CORRUPTED– from TOP to BOTTOM??

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        Horowitz likely has dozens and dozens of cases happening simultaneously, as well as reports and such.

        There weren’t 400 people working on this report; I doubt 40 worked on it. Part of their MO is slow walking investigations and reports. No urgency. They didn’t even interview Carter Page.

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      • zekness says:

        its tempting to make that general assumption..and I DO understand standing on the outside looking in, there is sufficient reasons for doubt and skepticism.

        But I am also aware because I do not have the knowledge of how much coordination has happened in these last two years, that some patience is required.

        If we follow history (admittedly, there isn’t really anything of this scale to compare), there is a great deal of coordination that takes place, and justice seems to be delayed, but is justifiable when looking back when it become more apparent.

        here is what I do KNOW

        DOJ OIG is no the final authority on these matters.

        DOJ OIG has fact and finding advisory authorities, but not of prosecutorial authority.

        DOJ IG has scoped and re-scoped at least TWO Special Counsel investigative units (durham and huber). Durham has recently clicked into a criminal indictment mode. This is significant.

        DOJ OIG is understandably keeping many of these cooperative and overlapping iinvestigations very tight to chest. There have been no leaks. This tells me the matters are serious and of extremely sensitive protected legal process.

        Durham investigations, what we know, is also very tightly controlled. This also suggests given the implications of what we do know through open source (flynn, horowitz reports, page, comey, brennan, clapper, struckout, and mccabe, and other matters), there is likely a very complex set of challenges to be completed before a full investigative and criminal proceeding can be made and made publicly. Being in the dark about these things do not bother me much. I would not like the justice department to be managed in the same way as the prior regime. It’s due process and rule of law and staying within policy and regulation…nothing more..nothing less. The space must be free of spots and partisan chicanery. Otherwise, it dulls the impact, invites criticism and damage the integrity of what should be objective unbiased solid police work…period…full stop.

        the goal, to me, ultimately is to make cases where the facts support them. And these investigators must be allowed to work freely without the pressure of politics and the non stop pressure from the press to allude to gossip and hearsay and rumor mill. That only gives the corruption a place of harbor and a defense at expected trials a wedge on matters of bias or pre-text and a questions about due process.

        so generally, the reasons for not releasing declassified materials that are likely to be used in criminal proceedings outweighs any advantages perceived by placating a hungry public for an insider view. It also keeps the defendants who may be indicted or directed to testify as fact witness from collecting intel about how the investigation will develop,

        It would be wrong to assume all the witnesses and assumed defendants DO KNOW everything the prosecutors have knowledge to.

        One has to be very careful here, as we have learned..there is an element of a conspiracy that goes to the very highest levels of government that generated this fabricated predicate to attempt a coup. One should not underestimate its ability and capacity and desire to literally chop away at each and every release into the public domain.

        You don’t blow out the fire, until all the candles are lit.

        birthday surprises ..the really great ones….never happen according “to plan”.

        lets have some faith these prosecutors have a strategy to overcome what they must realize they are dealing with.

        It’s our role to have faith…to be patient.

        to force justice at this point, in my opinion has more risks that advantages.

        let it unfold for opsec reasons..and release the facts and the indictments on a principled and a maximum impactful means.


        because this is also a political matter..and there is an election coming up. and there are seats in the house and the senate coming up..

        you release the indictments accordingly to provide the proper justice and treatment to those that conspired against the constitution.

        this advises the voters accordingly at a time and a place when it has the corrective, timely, appropriate, most impactful consequence.

        One has to consider this. If the indictments fail for any reasons, there is a political element that needs to be achieved.

        releasing it now, allows that political machine to work in ways that these cases would be forced to react to.

        it’s well past time for justice to roll on the defensive….the time for an offensive strategy is now.

        the strategy has to take on this matter in ways and methods and timelines that accomplish a greater more measured response to the treasonous conspirators who abused the most powerful law enforcement tools and technologies on planet earth, in order to attempt a coup.

        that is the enemy we are facing….this enemy is real, it well financed and resourced..and more importantly, a massive number of americans do not yet understand the scale or even the existence of this corruption.

        so, the plan to eradicate it and remove it requires a long term, careful measured approach.

        this is a war…let there be zero doubt about it.

        this is good versus evil…text book.

        this war will not be won by making unforced errors.

        I really believe until the prosecutors have at least one good case of corruption leveled at a high ranking official, its way too early to give away where it is truly headed.

        the corrupt conspirators are likely to leak some things to the press also…for cover..they will try to pre-empt with false information.

        one strategy is max pressure to force them to commit further act of corruption.

        so look for that…as the pressure builds..they will desperately seek to leaks highly senstive documents…selectively. This is to be expected. It’s predictable.

        By waiting for this to happen, one seeks to allow the corrupt to further hang itself with its own rope.

        the insiders on both sides right now are playing chess: they know that they know that they know.

        the corrupt will eventually create another misstep. They will foul up. And we should let them do this. It’s how you eat the elephant. First you hunt it down…the you exhaust it…then you aggitate it. for the most part, the hunt it over and you have won. It might takes years to eat all of it…but if you try to take on an african gray without taking the necessary precautions and get too anxious to be a hero…you will find yourself a smudge under a very large foot of the person you once were.

        I want to eat this elephant and live to tell about it.

        I can wait.

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        • Ned Zeppelin says:

          Well said. I think the Monster is bigger than we imagine too. Our only hope is Barr and Durham, and I think they will not let us down.


        • TPW says:

          Trust the Plan…..had enough of that….most of the trust the plan people are too comfortable in their life to get up and do something about the corruption…more like wait and see ….or….lets let VSGDJT do it all…. he is a genius. No it is going to take a massive protest and demands for justice to get something done.If we don’t at this point then we will be like those poor souls in Hong Kong or France. And you can see from UK ….they do not discriminate…..Party wise.I think if we can not be realistic and come together with a plan to fight this, then I would be smart to make friends with the preppers and find out how to be off the grid.and be totally self supporting.Pt is already conceding to McConnell and Graham on no…Senate Trial…..and we all know why the Senators don’t want a trial…..It is not a good look for the President to allow his name to be soiled while not even being allowed to put on a defense. I am not going to have the wool pulled over my eyes while PT says that it does not matter …what ever Mitch thinks……Sorry but caving is not a good look for the leader of the free world. I don’t expect him to be able to battle this on his own….But he could get the ball rolling by revealing the truth and calling on all Patriots to fight for what is left our country…which isn’t much.


  19. Skilled sailors know that jibing and tacking are required when moving thru treacherous waters. And even though it’s not clear to those watching, the journey is unfolding as it must.

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    • zekness says:

      I like this….if the facts are the wind in this example…it can be leveraged to guide your safe journey and find safe harbor.

      if the wind is ignored and you have not set a proper watch and you fail to maintainyour rigging..the wind will be your enemy.

      look at the ocean floor…its scattered with the evidence of failing to respect nature.

      these conspirators still have the force of the wind…we must not become complacent.

      we a still far from a safe harbor. we might, I would argue, be only at the midway.

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  20. CM-TX says:

    And if there was any further doubt about how NOTHING has CHANGED at the D0J…

    Their latest cover-up effort:

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    • California Joe says:

      That’s why the guy was given a slap on the wrist and set free to return to Pakistan….because the investigation was so important? So critical to national security? LOL

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      • CM-TX says:

        Sadly true.
        Do you think they bothered to recover all those devices he’d been sending abroad too? Ones the taxpayers actually paid for! I kinda doubt it.

        Anyone willing to bet those devices were logged onto Congress’s Server before sending/selling … a/o loaded with lots of interesting data?🤨

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        • Redzone says:

          Wasserman-Schultz had her guys from Pakistan, Feinstein had her guy from China, Pelosi has her gal from Ukraine.

          Aren’t there any U.S. citizens that can do these jobs or is it a requirement to have a connection with a foreign government that can provide huge donations and jobs for relatives?

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    • Zippy says:

      GREAT interview with the author of an entire book all about the Awan scandal: “Obstruction of Justice: How the Deep State Risked National Security to Protect the Democrats – January 29, 2019”:

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      • Mike says:

        I read Luke’s book as soon as it came out.

        Luke did a much better, more thorough investigation than the FBI did. (Excellent read.)

        Another indictment of FBI/Justice willful incompetence.

        I would send Wray a copy, but I know he wouldn’t read it. Wray probably has an autographed copy of Comey’s.

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        • Deplorable_Infidel says:

          “I would send Wray a copy, but I know he wouldn’t read it.”


          That is my favorite of all time movie quote. It is from Clint Eastwood playing “Dirty Harry” Callahan in “Magnum Force” (1973).

          Mr Wray would not read it because it is beyond the comprehension of his intellectual capacity. Concepts of things like facts, justice and integrity just “do not compute”.

          He has a hard enough time just being the empty suit that he is. (I wonder how much help he needs with that)

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Not going to win Jessie Liu any new fans, she’s the one who wrote the DOJ response. She says there is a “related sealed criminal matter the Government is prohibited from disclosing certain information pursuant to formal and informal information request in this matter.”

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    • CNN_sucks says:

      Exactly. Gas bag Barr is doing only lip service for the deplorables. s/ He will not do anything while the crazies demonrats impeachment and coup continues.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      So, WHO makes decisions for the DOJ? Is it so compartmentalized a department that the AG simply never sees the “guts” of many cases, even cases that are big? Can’t a POTUS call in his AG and ask, “Why the hell is this or that ‘sealed’?”

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  21. California Joe says:

    AG Barr stated in the NBC interview that the FBI Russian collusion investigation COLLAPSED in January 2017 so why did Jeff Sessions have to recluse himself months later when everyone including James Comey at the FBI and Rod Rosenstein at the DOJ knew there was no there…there! It seems that high level officials at DOJ used bad faith to convince Jeff Sessions that he had to recluse himself because of the Russian collusion hoax when the FBI knew and Rosenstein knew that the Steele Dossier was complete bullshit after interviews with the subsource. The subsource was interviewed by the FBI four times. He said the salacious dossier was bar talk in jest and certainly not true. Jeff Sessions reclused himself for nothing! Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller for nothing! Mueller investigated the President of the United States for two years…for nothing!

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    • mr.piddles says:

      “recluse himself”

      Unfortunate typo.

      Liked by 2 people

    • CNN_sucks says:

      Because the fbi and doj are delusional that they can take out PDJT. I believe Sessions was part of the swamp, he knew the coup plot and was briefed by Rosey.

      Liked by 2 people

      • JC1974 says:

        I don’t know, the more I read about John Ashcroft, his recusal from ENRON, and later incident regarding Comey and Mueller’s threatened resignation, I think Session’s got played by men already practiced in outmaneuvering him.

        Liked by 5 people

        • California Joe says:

          Exactly! These guys at DOJ conned Jeff Sessions to recluse himself and they are probably still working there!

          Liked by 2 people

        • Patriot1783 says:

          Sessions should have come clean to President Trump and/or resigned if he was approached with anything threatening him politically or personally. Even if he was not threatened, he should have resigned long before he did because by his recusal he was crippled enough to not be doing the job he was sworn to do.
          Same as SCOTUS Roberts, the offices are too high and the blackmail affects not only them but the entire United States.

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    • WRB says:

      why did Jeff Sessions have to recluse (sic) himself months later ?

      For starters, the FBI never admitted to anybody that their Russia Collusion Case went up in flames.

      As an aside, Sessions has been a puzzle. My first thoughts were blackmail, or Alzheimer’s (or dementia of some sort), or a weak character, or he was “in on it”.

      The fact that he did not withdraw from the AG nomination speaks to ambition over honor, his recusal from “all things Russia/campaign” to weakness. My current thinking is that he truly believed that Trump may have conspired with the Russians, and was willing to “let the chips fall where they will.”

      Liked by 1 person

      • ann says:

        If Sessions was that gullible,( which by walking into that viper pit alone wo recruits & wingmen) he had ZERO business accepting or staying in the position.

        Even lil ol street dumb me would have known better . Period.


  22. ezgoer says:

    The only conclusion one can draw is that the GOP is full of traitors who were involved in some way in the coup attempt on President Trump. Therefore AG Barr wants to keep their participation from being made public. It’s very likely that McConnell, Paul Ryan, Senator Burr at the least were all involved in the coup attempt. That would explain why Barr after 9 months still refuses to declassify the incriminating documents. I doubt there will ever be justice for the coup conspirators or an airing of the documents that would completely exonerate Trump. That enables all these parties to benefit by keeping a perpetual cloud over Trump so they can have some degree of control over him.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Therefore AG Barr wants to keep their participation from being made public.

      You have to wait and see what Barr does. If he fails to produce any good results, then roast him. But declaring him corrupt now is premature.

      Liked by 1 person

      • rightmover says:

        “You have to wait and see what Barr does. If he fails to produce any good results, then roast him. But declaring him corrupt now is premature.”

        But the tenor of this post by Sundance and the one earlier this week, while certainly not going as far as outright declaring Barr corrupt, certainly sets a tone that would lead many readers to do just that.


      • Ray Runge says:

        Talk to me about the Nunes’ criminal referral to Barr that have been buried. Nunes enjoyed the investigatory powers of both interviews and information supplied to the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

        Paging Bill Barr, Paging Bill Barr.

        Liked by 2 people

  23. mg says:

    i wish they would have waited this long before they threw me in prison.

    Liked by 1 person

    • CM-TX says:

      Lol. You must NOT be a registered Dem… an illegal… a Congressman… etc. etc.

      Had you been, any crime/allegation would’ve been seen as “just a MATTER”. They don’t prosecute those.🙄

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  24. Ventura Highway says:

    I’m sticking with my original theory. This shit is so bad releasing it all at once would cause civil unrest. Also there are a lot of Congress that is guilty of the same shit. They don’t want it all out.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Drogers says:

      Dead skunk in the middle of the road
      Stinkin’ to high heaven

      *not that it all shouldn’t be released but I get your point.


    • mr.piddles says:

      Disagree. Holding people to account is what matters… without which there will never be any trust in “the system” as a whole, let alone the DOJ and FBI (and CIA, for that matter) in particular. And it will just get worse over time, of course. It will have been the cancer that was allowed to run rampant and kill the host. Plain and simple.

      Secret files. Secret Star Chambers. Doctored evidence. Corrupt intent. etc. etc. With friends like that, who needs Vladimir Putin?

      Liked by 5 people

      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “Secret files. Secret Star Chambers. Doctored evidence. Corrupt intent. etc. etc. With friends like that, who needs Vladimir Putin?”

        I have not been reading the threads and commenting like I used to last year, but that is my favorite paragraph of the month, so far.

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    • Randolph Scott says:

      Because it is so bad it must be released. Let civil justice be done and done quickly so that this so called ‘shit’ never happens again.


  25. JackB says:

    This begs the question why has PDJT not declassified?

    Is he waiting for Godot?

    Liked by 1 person

    • Perot Conservative says:

      Attorneys say release of all this information will prejudice a jury pool and be fodder for their legal defense.

      George Papadalolous already said he appeared before a Grand Jury.


    • WRB says:

      This begs the question why has PDJT not declassified?

      The goals are to “clean out the swamp”, prevent a recurrence, punish perpetrators and win an election, not necessarily in that order.

      At this stage, I do not see how releasing or declassifying info helps, in that what we will get is information overload. What we need is an easy-to-understand story of “bad guys getting their just desserts.”, told with bold actions and words.

      I do not know if that is what will happen, but a reality show superstar will be the guy to do it if it can be done.


  26. So what I want to know is this: When did Mueller know the investigation had imploded?

    Horowitz indicated and Barr stated implicitly that as of January 2017, the case against Carter Page [Donald Trump] had collapsed. The FBI interviewed Steele’s source who debunked the whole thing. Is there any possible way Mueller did not know this the moment he was appointed? (Rosenstein had to know it too.)

    But let’s assume Mueller didn’t know until he dug into the existing investigation and supporting documents. He had to know within weeks, right? Yet he kept the investigation going until after the midterms. AND allowed Weissmann to write a path to impeachment as Vol II.

    If the line agents working on the investigation withheld or hid that information from Mueller throughout the entire length of the investigation, he certainly knows it now. And if that’s the case, he has to be outraged that he was duped. Bad enough his reputation is trashed over the results of a 22 month witch hunt, but if that’s because he was duped by his own team then he should be speaking out about it.

    Were I Graham, I’d be calling for Mueller to testify about the actions of his team, and himself, and see if he wants to defend them in wake of Horowitz’s report. By keeping the investigation going and the cloud hanging over Trump’s head, he provided TWO avenues for impeachment- Vol II and flipping the House. He can claim only one of two reasons: he’s a doddering old fool who was not actually running his investigation, or he was part of the coup attempt.

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  27. Charlotte Powell Brooks says:

    Since the President isn’t allowed to defend himself, and the left is never going to stop attacking, declassifying would be obstruction or a national security risk because of revealing sources and methods. There will never be a time the President can be free to bring forth the truth.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      This is why we have to rip the House majority away from the Dems. Take the power away from them.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Charlotte Powell Brooks says:

        IMHO, it’s why the entire uniparty needs to be eliminated. My husband has told me how that can be accomplished, but it’s illegal.

        Liked by 5 people

        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          Well the way we can do it, and it will take many years … weed out the RINOs during the primaries but in the general elections vote straight GOP. The majorities are way too imporant. I always say, if the Dems had the Senate majority as well as the House majority, Trump would have been removed from office already.

          Liked by 1 person

          • rightmover says:

            Problem is, many RINOs don’t start out as apparent RINOs. They campaign as genuine conservatives and, if they win, when they get to D.C., they are taken aside by congressional leaders and told that they will either toe the line and do things the Beltway way, or they will be destroyed. And that’s how many RINOs become RINOs–for self-preservation. You don’t get too many Jim Jordans, who still maintain the courage of their convictions in the face of serious swamp-sourced arm-twisting (i.e., outright threats and blackmail).

            Liked by 2 people

        • mushr45m says:

          I was at a firearms dealer, and the salesmen said sport rifle ownership is surpassing our military.
          2nd amendment was put in place for a reason.
          We the People

          Rocks in Venezuela haven’t worked out to well.

          Liked by 4 people

        • Randolph Scott says:

          You are wrong about taking the power back being illegal. The U.S. Constitution specially states that it is Our Duty to remove these criminals and traitors from office by any means necessary if they try to subvert the Constitution and take away our Rights.

          These people are nothing but government bullies. Can they hurts us? yes but we do not have to take it. All we need to do is stand up to them and stop their madness by any means possible..

          Look at what is happening in Virginia right now. Elected left wing socialists are trying to outlaw guns and the 2A supporters are standing up will not let the State bully them anymore. Punch a bully in the mouth and they will wilt. Send these government bullies to the gallows, to jail, drag their asses into court, fight back and they will WILT.

          We the People will take back our country. The left wing socialists don’t want PDJT, they want US. He is just in the way.

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  28. Joemama says:

    Thank you, Sundance, for documenting all of this.

    I predict that your efforts will result in justice being applied for crimes that might have been missed had you not done such wonderful, comprehensive research.

    You deserve the highest honor that can be bestowed upon a journalist.

    Thanks, once again.

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  29. Magabear says:

    If Carter Page does indeed sue all the people involved in spying on him, I imagine this FISA information will have to be revealed during the trial. May as well release it now. 😎

    Liked by 4 people

  30. Dim Osmab says:

    After IG report Rosenstein looks to me more and more weasel

    So in march 2017 he becomes DAG and in charge of russia probe. We know now that they had nothing, and they recieved exculpatory information from their spies and dossier sub-source.

    But he continues investigation and signs warrants?

    Liked by 4 people

    • California Joe says:

      Exactly! Horowitz indicated and Barr stated implicitly that as of January 2017, the case against Carter Page [Donald Trump] had collapsed. The FBI interviewed Steele’s source who debunked the whole thing. Is there any possible way Mueller did not know this the moment he was appointed? (Rosenstein had to know it too.) So, if Horowitz and Barr knew that the FBI case collapsed in January 2017 so did Rosenstein! Another question is why did Jeff Sessions recluse himself if there was no case and why did Rosenstein appoint Mueller?

      Liked by 4 people

  31. jx says:

    If Sessions had done his job there might not have been a SC and there probably wouldn’t be any impeachment threat. Barr tells us “they’re gone”, as if perps moving on to other jobs solves the problem. The DOJ is rotten to.the.core. They’ve shown they can not police themselves, and worse they can not control themselves and engage in gigantic crimes against the United States.

    Barr’s unctuous words are worthless. ACTION NOT MORE TALK.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Right to reply says:

      But, Sessions did do his job right, and got the intended consequences…


    • jx says:

      Clinesmith altered documents used to obtain a FISA warrant. He worked with Strzok.

      Wouldn’t that be a false declaration before a court? or perjury? or document fraud?

      How about it Barr? Are you going to prosecute either of these two? Or must we wait until next summer at the earliest before you decide to decline?

      Liked by 2 people

      • WRB says:

        There is no doubt (in my mind) that Clinesmith will be indicted and convicted. I also assume he will plead down his crime by cooperating with the prosecutor.


  32. Right to reply says:

    So, why won’t Trump declassify? There are no excuses not to do it! Or, is someone else holding a sword over his head?

    Liked by 1 person

  33. zekness says:

    A member of DOJ inner sanctum needs to dump the entire fisa application, in FULL UNCLAS state…

    send it every single MSM and paper, here and overseas.

    he will of course be tried for a criminal act.

    But the VALUE of doing this overwhelms the illegality of the act.

    Over time, as the case is now forces to proceed and those held to account, this president can then, when it is more clear to the public what this saga really was..and who was responsible..with real indictments and conviction, this leakers will be pardoned. And celebrated in all of history as being a truly noble servant of the truth..and a complete hero.

    so there it is..there is the challenge.

    who will take up this mantle.

    who will step forward and do what the people don’t deserve, but what the people need?

    who will be the DARK KNIGHT.

    who IS the batman?

    unmask thyself!

    we will punish you, and then we will raise you up…

    as sure as the sun will rise and fall…a hero is among us…

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  34. jingosam says:

    It’s not difficult to understand Rod ‘I can wear a wire’ Rosenstein’s motives for dissuading President Trump from declassifying the documents. But Barr? Not so much. Why is he dragging his feet? He’s waiting for the opportune time? Give me a break. For months … no, years now … we’ve been bemoaning the fact that Republicans have not been presenting a unified front against the Democrats. Except for a few like Jordan and Nunes on the inside and Tom Fitton on the outside, the President has been standing alone. It’s time to start getting this stuff out there. In dribs and drabs or all of it at once. Pass out the ‘ammo’, Barr. Maybe then the GOP will grow a backbone and start to fight back.

    Liked by 1 person

    • seekingthetruth2 says:

      Let me try to explain it to you. It is obvious you have no life experience in large organizations. Barr was appointed May 13, 2019. That is seven months from today. He inherited a DOJ that had not been/or minimally cleaned/reorganized/whatever by his predecessor and had to start from scratch with a handful of loyal people. What he has accomplished in this period is actually exceptional given what he inherited. Those who have experienced this know what I speak of (I have been there also, not in government, but in business).

      Liked by 1 person

      • Ray Runge says:

        You speak of institutional inertia to change in a new administration. This becomes a quite simple procedure once the example of “your fired” is the response to bureaucratic intransigence. An mmediate and unequivocal response will either cure the other observers of flush them out in the open out of necessity.

        As institutional inertia become unalienable to change in a new administration then the soft coup is simply a fait accompli.

        Liked by 1 person

      • TwoLaine says:

        Your 1st 2 sentences are uncalled for personal attacks. Take that crap somewhere else.

        Liked by 1 person

      • dwpender says:

        Barr took office on February 14, 2019, not May 13.


  35. mikeyboo says:

    I would like the docs to be declassified NOW. But if the President’s judgement is to wait-then certainly when Pres Trump is acquitted in the senate. I can see no reason not to declassify at that point.

    Liked by 3 people

    • mikeyboo says:

      In fact, declassifying the documents as part of his defense at senate trial would be appropriate. I think the last thing these swamp rats want is declassification. Declassification to them would be like holding up garlic and a torch to a vampire.

      Liked by 4 people

  36. dallasdan says:

    “This is only one document; however, the intransigence of the DOJ and FBI to release the declassified material to the public is based on one objective: protect the institutions and the officials within those institutions from exposure of their corrupt activity.”

    Yep. This could be the Executive Summary for SD’s commentary. Expect nothing from “Bondo” and you won’t be disappointed. JMO

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  37. MustangBlues says:

    ”’Where’s the release of the Susan Rice inauguration day memo to the file?” That is what we need.

    Lots of redactions articles to release, this one, of Rice, is a ball buster. Get it out.

    Shows obama, brennan, biden, et al, as discussing how to screw Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, because they, the elitist careerist deep state wussies, decided they are the rulers of the USA.

    RICO their asses; pure criminal conspiracy, and criminal sedition by bureaucrat flunkies and of course, the corrupt media toadies. Pitiful creatures, all, just flotsam detritus in American Citizens.

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  38. JimFromNH says:

    I’m still not sure if Sundance’s “Great Plan” reply was made mostly out of enthusiasm, sarcasm, or resignation- or a mix of all three…
    But I think Doug Collin’s phased release of the committee interviews was patient yet effective. Instead of one big crescendo, some new stuff arrived with time to digest it. And I looked forward to the next installment.
    I think Trump could do likewise, & start with declassifying a lesser one. Sometimes in cards, etc if you’ve got a good hand, you want to lead with a lesser trial card before bringing out the big guns.

    However, wait too long and Reps Bass, Raskin & others might try to turn declassification into ‘reimpeachment’.

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  39. GTOGUY says:

    Personally, I could care less about the seeing the FISA, I already know that most of it are lies. I want John Durham to run out every ground ball in it and see how many he can prosecute for felonies.

    Liked by 1 person

  40. Julian says:

    Yes this stuff should definitely be declassified.

    What is AG Barr doing and why is he not declassified?

    I have some questions.

    Who put him there?

    Who can get to AG Barr’s boss to put some pressure on him to pressure Barr to declassify and release these materials?

    Why won’t more people stand up for President Trump?

    President Trump can’t do it all. Other folks need to stand up and do their bit – and that includes declassifying these materials.

    And another question. Who put that Swamp Creature Chris Wray in at the FBI and how can we pressure them to get rid of Wray and put in a Trump loyalist to such a vital position?


    • WRB says:

      Who can get to AG Barr’s boss to put some pressure on him

      You can be a better poster here if you research your questions. The United States Attorney General (A.G.) is the head of the United States Department of Justice, a member of the Cabinet of the United States; as directed by the President of the United States, and the chief lawyer of the federal government of the United States.


  41. JPinBalt says:

    Great Post.
    In Re Declassification:
    1,) “The Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent, and likely based on deceptions to the FISA Court.” a.) Why not add the two rarely failed Carter Page FISA warrant applications (99.7% pass rubber stamp test) from June and July 2016? b.) Why not someone like Judicial Watch file FOIA for Dan Boente communications circa since he signed off on first successful Page warrant using DNC funded pissgate dossier. (And in short days when Boente was acting AG after Yates fired and Sessions in confirmation hearings and Mark Zaid whistle blower lawyer tweeted about Boente acting AG “#coup has started. First of many steps. #rebellion. #impeachment will follow ultimately.” – what was Boente doing when acting AG at DOJ? More outrage he is now working for Wray at FBI taking Baker’s place.)
    2,) All Congressional testimony redacted because of ongoing Mueller investigation, hid behind, over now should be unredacted plus closed door hearing transcripts. Trump could order Barr do this. Witnesses could be brought back (in Senate) and not hide under do not answer since ongoing investigation.
    3.) How about we declassify the subcontractors names doing the warrantless 702 “about” queries before Admiral Rodgers shut that down in April 2016 and cross-list for the substitutive FISA court warrants after?

    Corbynization coming in 2020,


  42. timothy says:

    Perhaps President Trump sees the threat of declassification as leverage and said leverage presently more valuable than declass now.

    Thait said, declass it all hang em all. I am tired of these bastards thriving in the dark.


  43. TwoLaine says:

    Is it possible that the two people who left, or are leaving, O’Callaghan & Liu, were standing in the way of this getting done?


  44. RAC says:

    If Mr. Durham is still investigating it follows that there is still stuff he doesn’t know. Any information that seems OK at the present to release may click into place with new facts and subsequently turn out to have been released too soon. I hope he’s just playing safe.


  45. Bulldog84 says:

    My own personal pet peeve — and it’s driving me crazy — is that no one, anywhere, appears to have done a damn thing to confirm the utterly unproven allegation that the DNC was hacked. And yet there it is, right there in the FISA application, like a giant, gaping hole. Has no one ever asked Horowitz to work his post-mortem whitewashing magic to investigate how in Hades anyone in the FBI reached a conclusion that there was a hack, when they never took custody of the evidence?

    As an aside, in my view the FISA procedures can never be fixed. As poorly as they seem to work we might as well just go back to having these miscreants spy utterly illegally, which they were probably doing anyway until Admiral Rogers got the plug pulled on that practice (the only reason the perps resorted to FISA court at all). However, if we are going to keep it I have a few reforms to suggest.

    First, no news articles should be sources in a FISA app. They are utterly untrustworthy, and we now know provide only circular, non-evidence.

    Second, have the sources like that greedy gin-soaked Steele be sworn before a FISA judge and let their credibility be judged by someone other than an FBI hack like Strzok, et al.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Jason Ross says:

      I recall Guccifer or someone named Guccifer 2.0 being blamed in the U.S. media as the source of the DNC hack, and there was a swell of circular reporting on this for a few months.

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    • From a point of view of objective computer-intrusion investigation, I could not conclude that said server existed. Also, the first crime – the enabling crime, and it is indeed a crime – was to put classified information on such a thing in the first place. And the only reason for doing so is to subsequently claim that it was “stolen.”

      Except – the whole thing’s as phony as a nine-dollar bill. No investigator would accept conclusions proffered by the criminals themselves. What we actually know is that the data got to WikiLeaks and that a thumb-drive was used at least at the last hop. Occam’s Razor now kicks in and tells anyone that “a server is not necessary.” If careful pains have been taken to deny any opportunity to objectively investigate this supposed piece of hardware, the natural conclusion is simply that it isn’t there and never was.

      One also notices that the data, while classified, is not particularly interesting. It is a selective data-dump intended to break the law without revealing much actual information. It was, in short, a deliberate plant. We know how much information goes out the front door in shirt pockets. This would be no different.

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    • Jason Ross says:

      That said, if Wikileaks had indeed received the hacked emails from a hacker it seems Wikileaks would have been coerced to divulge their source. That the entire global intelligence community has not done this simply reeks…. and makes it seem the source was NOT a criminal hacker.


    • Bogeyfree says:

      Agree, that the claim by the FIB that the DNC server was hacked by Russians and it was the Russians that gave the emails to Wikileaks, IMO is the simplest and lowest hanging fruit to prove and yet this lie continues to resonate as fact by the media, Congress and other government officials.

      We know from Assange’s and Ratner’s public statements that they said the Russians DID NOT hack the server and provide the DNC Emails to Wikileaks.

      Right there, there is a HUGE discrepancy and one that MUST be investigated. Right??

      So how hard is it for Durham or Barr to go to London and depose Assange? This would take what a day or two at most?

      Assange is a fact witness IMO and is on record as claiming Mueller and the FIB got it wrong.

      This is a critical piece of evidence that the DS and the FIB have been claiming all along and one would think that no investigator would ignore speaking to Assange right?

      And to add another possible reason to speak to Assange, as we know, a person who worked for the DNC just happened to get murdered within days of Wikileaks getting these emails.

      My point of all this is, if we the American public want to know if everything is on the up and up then IMO the easiest way, is someone needs to go talk to Assange and ask the simple question.

      Has anyone in the DOJ in the last 9 months has spoken to you? Think of it as the public’s version of a FOIA except we get it straight from the horses mouth.

      So, why doesn’t Rush or Bongino or Hannity or that OANN Reporter go to London and ask Assange directly? We know he can see people because Pamela Anderson has already said she has visited him.

      Why is no reporter digging to be the “checks and balance” for the public on this issue?

      How tragic would it be if Assange were to die in prison BEFORE anyone got is deposition or story on tape especially with reports of his poor health.

      IMO there is NO EXCUSE why Durham or Barr have not already spoken directly with Assange and the answer to this simple question IMO would tell me pretty much everything I need to know.

      I wish someone would tweet PT and say if no one has spoken to Assange then IMO you should be very concerned and cautious Mr. President.


    • railer says:

      Yes, and Crowdstrike seems to have provided the IT “investigation” and “analysis” that the 3 letter agencies used to go after Muh Russia re that hacking. The FBI did nothing but accept such as the pee dossier as truth, with Fusion GPS, Steele and Crowdstrike providing the framework (likely with cooperation/coordination from Brennan).

      That’s what set off Deep State and The Swamp re Trump’s phone call, that he mentioned the word “Crowdstrike” during that phone call. Sure, Biden’s name was part of it, but it was the obvious Deep State front group “Crowdstrike” that got them rattled, as they’d been a big part of the skullduggery in Ukraine . Trump knew Biden’s name would give the media a bright shiny object to get hysterical over, but it was Crowdstrike that he wanted to get logged into the game, with Biden just a useful tool to get that done, something he’s very good at.

      Notice Crowdstrike’s name hasn’t come up during impeachment. It won’t. And that name is one of the prime reasons Muh Russia wasn’t included in the 2 beach mint articles. Deep State and The Swamp don’t want Crowdstrike to come under the microscope during a trial, for a whole lot of reasons. It’d be a critical element to draining the Swamp, which is why Trump mentioned them.


  46. Anon says:

    Great article with a lot of great questions.


  47. Alot to consider in this piece. I’m going with a “strategic” release of the various documents for maximum leverage leading up to the 2020 re-election of our President. Barr knows what he’s doing. The American public needs to slowly digest all these lies and corruption. Overwhelming evidence the Left isn’t going to like and will have trouble accepting.


  48. Alot to consider in this piece. I’m going with a “strategic” release of the various documents for maximum leverage leading up to the 2020 re-election of our President. Barr knows what he’s doing. The American public needs to slowly digest all these lies and corruption. Overwhelming evidence the Left isn’t going to like and will have trouble accepting.


  49. Eric Thedeplorable says:

    The left is winning the propaganda war. The big lie that started all of this, continues to this day. “Russians interfered in our elections.” This is the big lie that is being used to drive the hatred of Trump. This big lie is what protects all of the criminals. It provides a justification for all of the criminal acts, investigations and prosecutions by the FBI, CIA, DOJ, etc. It is going to be used to justify the FISA program when it comes under scrutiny. It is being used to cover up any investigations into the real origins of the WIkileaks document dumps and the alleged DNC hacks. It is being used to overturn the 2016 election. It is being used to taint the results of our next election. It is being used to circumvent house and senate rules, FISA rules, even basic principles of our law, like innocent until proven guilty or the right to face your accuser. It is being used to shield government officials from investigations into corrupt actions in other countries like Ukraine.

    If you tell a big enough lie, and tell it over and over, it becomes the truth. This has long been a tactic of liars and leftists like Stalin, Hitler, Goebbels, Alinksy, etc. It is being used again today. Hitler believed the lie must be so big that nobody would believe someone would have the guts to tell such a lie, so it must be true. He also believed the message had to be simple enough for even the dumbest person to understand, and that you must stick with only a a limited number of points, or you would risk people forgetting everything and losing the message.

    That simple lie is that the Russians stole the elections. The Russians interfered with the elections and continue to do so.

    That message was being lost in all of this impeachment nonsense. The Democrats kept going off script, changing the charges, moving the goalposts. They are losing on all of these other side issues, and in doing so have directed too much attention towards the Ukraine, which holds the key to exposing the big lie that Russians interfered in our election. So what we have witnessed over the last week is the deep state getting back on message. There has been a bipartisan effort to double down on the big lie. Republicans led by Lindsey Graham, Democrats, the media, the FBI, Inspector Horowitz, and anyone else who can get in front of a camera are all making sure to point out that Russia interfered in our elections and will do so again.

    We are getting lost in the weeds trying to expose their endless lies, while allowing the simplest and most important one to be told again and again. Nobody cares that we are unearthing direct proof of crimes, lies and omissions buried in thousands of pages of old documents, FISA applications, and sworn testimonies. Those things are all quickly forgotten as we are spending all of our time and resources disproving the next false accusation. The masses don’t have the time or the desire to keep track of it all.

    The big lie needs to be proven false. When that happens, the whole thing comes tumbling down. Russians did not hack the DNC and they did not interfere with the election. Every time the lie is told that they did, we need to challenge it. We need a real investigation into who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks. But for now, the big lie continues, and we are losing.

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    • stevelbrown says:

      The problem is that the republicans, in general, are also hell bent on making russia the enemy and have given in the the “russian meddling” nonsense. And as proff they use the insignificant and inconsequential $100,000 worth of facebook ads

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      • Eric Thedeplorable says:

        The Republicans, in general, part of the deep state corruption, which is why they are willingly allowing the big lie to continue.


  50. stevelbrown says:

    They would have impeached anyway. In theory, this impeachment is not related to the russian hoax/conspiracy.

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