DOJ Official Bruce Ohr is Not Fired, and That’s Okay – For Now….

There are several dozen critical issues that stem from revelations about the DOJ and FBI conduct in/around the Carter Page FISA application (2017) and Steele Dossier writ large; but DOJ official Bruce Ohr still being employed isn’t one of them, and here’s why.

Bruce Ohr on right

What exactly would Bruce Ohr be held accountable for?

What Mr. Ohr did wrong was back-channel information from dossier author Christopher Steele into the FBI; made worse because this is after Chris Steele was persona non grata; and done by Ohr without telling his bosses at Main Justice.  Obviously, not good.

However, considering the time-frames of the FD-302 reports written by Ohr’s handler FBI agent Joseph Pientka, Bruce Ohr was channeling information into the Crossfire Hurricane team in 2017.  That same FBI team became the Mueller investigation FBI team, and from the 302 notes we know Ohr was channeling information from Christopher Steele into the Mueller team after the administrations’ changed.   Again, not good, but…

Bruce Ohr wasn’t the only non FBI person back-channeling information from corrupt source Christopher Steele into the FBI and Mueller team in 2017.

SSCI Vice-Chairman Mark Warner was doing exactly the same thing.

Senator Warner was having secret contacts, “would rather not have a paper trail”, with Steele through liaison Adam Waldman, and then relaying information to Robert Mueller.

 

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So how is the DOJ going to hold Bruce Ohr accountable for back-channeling unverified information from corrupted source Christopher Steele to the FBI (Mueller), when SSCI Vice-Chairman Mark Warner was doing exactly the same thing?

The impeachment coup was a plan, an insurance policy of sorts; a coordinated effort between corrupt politicians and hold-over allies in the executive; however, because she didn’t want to participate in this – Senator Dianne Feinstein abdicated her vice-chair position to Senator Mark Warner.  [Background Here]

This is the pre-cursor to utilizing Robert Mueller.  A plan that was developed soon after the 2016 election.  The appointment of a special counsel was always the way they were going to hand-off and continue the investigation into Trump; but they needed a reason for it.

The continued exploitation of the Steele Dossier was critical; Chris Steele was the wildcard… they needed Chris Steele to be solid.  And the continued manipulation of the media was also critical; thus they needed Fusion-GPS to continue.  [Dan Jones paid both]

Through the spring of 2017, while Mark Warner was communicating with Adam Waldman and Dan Jones as a conduit to Chris Steele, the FBI/DOJ team was communicating through Bruce Ohr to Chris Steele (and by extension to Nellie Ohr and Fusion GPS).

Part of Warner’s role was to weaponize the Legislative branch to advance the ‘Muh Russia conspiracy’, a fundamental necessity if a special counsel was going to have justification.

Quite a navigation issue for U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr.

Again, no rush on this one…  Until someone works out the final decisions on how to handle Warner, if at all, there’s no consistent way to tackle Bruce Ohr for the Steele contacts.

The ultimate disposition of Senator Warner could likely be an aspect of a multitude of unprecedented issues that no-one would think about.  Vice-Chair Warner is a member of the intelligence oversight ‘gang-of-eight‘… so that makes things even more complicated.

That politically complex dynamic is likely why the former DOJ knuckeheads, together with Robert Mueller, decided to let SSCI intelligence leaker James Wolfe get away with little accountability.

Now AG Barr has to re-navigate these issues… John Durham is investigating… Meanwhile Bruce Ohr opens mail, or something.

“Complicate business folks, complicated business.”

Gang of Eight, 2019

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Bruce Ohr, 2019

 

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784 Responses to DOJ Official Bruce Ohr is Not Fired, and That’s Okay – For Now….

  1. Soooooo, can anyone explain why McCabe STILL hasn’t been indicted yet?

    Seriously, what’s the explanation for that?

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Because Barr is doing it HIS way, and not yours?

      Liked by 16 people

      • You’re right, covering it all up has always been “HIS way”. Quit lying to yourself.

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        • JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

          How many Justice Departments have you run?

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          • Zero. How many of the coup conspirators has Barr even indicted? Also zero. Go figure.

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            • gary says:

              anyone that believes that bill barr is going to allow these cucks to trash his name,in history,aren’t thinking straight.

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              • History? Leftists write whatever they want in the history books and all these Marxist professors teach what they want.

                Case in point, I was watching a documentary on Pearl Harbor last night. Several professors were on it talking about the reason Japan attacked us. You wanna know what they pinned it on? RACISM! That’s right, Japan attacked the USA because of the white man’s racism towards the Japanese. I almost spit my beer out.

                Leftists simply do NOT play by the rules. They make them up as they go and they CONSTANTLY lie. Barr’s place in history will be whatever they say it is.

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                • Pale rider says:

                  Did you watch sessions on Laura Ingram last night? Seems republicans do it too.

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                • The whole “Republican vs Democrat” thing is a farce. 99% of DC are on the same side and it is NOT the side that Trump is on.

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                • Ken Lawson says:

                  While it’s possible you may be correct (although it may be remote), the fact is that if Barr is a good guy (and none of us know for sure yet), then in order to take down the corruption, which is so much deeper than anyone can even fathom it, he must time his work to hit all at once. Not one indictment her and another there or the Deep State would see it coming and end the entire process. People would mysteriously commit suicide, disappear, be accidentally killed, and evidence would disappear forever. If there really is going to be an effort to solve the mess we’re in, then it has to be one big moment of impact. To do it your way would guarantee failure.

                  So, while you may be correct in your doubts, you may also be unknowingly wishing for failure if you want an indictment here and there until they all pile up to include all the guilty. It must be all at once or there will be no success. At this point, after waiting for so long, I’m willing to continue waiting to see what happens. Justice moves extremely slow in our system. I’ve been around the legal system for over 40 years and can tell you that big cases that are successfully prosecuted take time, diligence, and patience to come to fruition.

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                • Ken Lawson says:

                  Indicting McCabe now, or anyone else who is/was in a top position, lessens the chances of the coup plotters keeping their guard down. If you want charges to be a surprise, you don’t want to allow any action too early. I’d love to see McCabe or any of the others in top positions be indicted, but I’m not willing to accept getting only a couple people indicted when there needs to be a busload sent to prison. It’s very hard to be patient in these situations, but time is best used to our advantage.

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                • Zippy says:

                  “lessens the chances of the coup plotters keeping their guard down”

                  LOL! Please! Like indicting McCabe would cause that.

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                • He needs to prove himself to me. He is boarding on a POS along with Wray and the rest of the pond scum. Excuse me, suppose to be swamp scum. IAW POTUS Boy have they got him fooled.

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                • Bill says:

                  Happily, history in not a monopoly of leftists and seditionists. However, they certainly have held the stage for far too long.

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                • William the Comptroller says:

                  The Left has not heard of the Imperial Japanese superiority concept ‘Hakko Ishiu’ propagated initially by Tanaka. If racism against the Japs by the West was the driving force, why were the Japs so brutal towards Koreans and Chinese and Burmese and Filipinos? They believed Hirohito was a demi-god descended 2600 years ago through the first emperor Jimmu.

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                • jingosam says:

                  Ken Lawson thinks that “Indicting McCabe now, or anyone else who is/was in a top position, lessens the chances of the coup plotters keeping their guard down. If you want charges to be a surprise, you don’t want to allow any action too early.” I wonder if a true coup plotter would ever keep his/her guard down? And wouldn’t a true coup plotter love the extra time that a delay in indictment would provide … you know, to get ready for when the hammer does fall? And surely, if Mr. Lawson has figured out the hammer is going to fall … sometime … don’t you think those rats have also. Unless, of course, they are confident it never will, if Barr is on their side.

                  But if they’re going to be effective, indictments can’t come too early … if they make main stream media at all … they will be long forgotten. Too close to November 2020 and they will be looked upon as a ploy to win the election. And, worse case scenario, if Republicans lose the election, it won’t be happening at all.

                  So, timing it right is key. Somewhat like those old movies where you want to blow up a railway trestle or mine shaft … you have the dynamite, you have the match, you have the fuse … but that fuse has to be long enough to allow you to get to safety before it blows. Let’s hope President Trump … and Barr and Durham, if they are truly on his side … time it perfectly!

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              • CM-TX says:

                TBF, Barr said early on he couldn’t care less about his reputation. He also said he’s lived a long life. So…

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            • DWC says:

              Well we know two things: (1) You’re an excellent naysayer and (2) Barr like most folks who have dealt with the legal system seem to know about the process than you do. Now, to say it for the millionth time, given the complexity and multitude of people involved in this coup, if you want to indict and convict not only the foot soldiers but leaders you need a lock tight case and that process takes time and is done behind closed doors

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              • You need to quit lying to yourself. They’ve had years and I’m still hearing, they just need more time. I’m simply a realist and the REALITY of it is that NO ONE has gotten in ANY trouble AT ALL. Not only that but several KNOWN conspirators are still in power! LOL It’s unreal. It goes way beyond wishful thinking. Some of you are delusional!

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                • YvonneMarie says:

                  But you are not, ever.
                  It does look hopeless.
                  But it is not anyone on this website’s fault.

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                • Pokey says:

                  I tend to agree with your assumption that Barr will not prosecute anyone that the Durham investigation doesn’t completely destroy first. But my question to you is, if we can’t trust Barr to do the best he can to expose this whole mess through prosecutions, who do we have that can do it? Also, it will only take one prosecutorial fail to shut down the whole investigation forever. This is why I want to think Barr is doing what he can in a situation that pits PDJT, Durham, Barr, and a few Republicans from the House against the worldwide Globalist Gang. And they have had more than 30 years to entrench themselves in the governing structures around the world.
                  We should be happy with what we can get until we can expose the whole mess to the whole world, a task that may include the disappearances of a lot of good people spanning at least a generation. These people mean to be our masters and have virtually accomplished it already. The politicians are almost powerless at this point.
                  fubar.

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                • Zippy says:

                  “it will only take one prosecutorial fail to shut down the whole investigation forever”

                  Upon WHAT do you base THAT?!

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                • Calm down dtb…Mr.Barr will prosecute those DS beauties on his term not your…..and HE WILL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                • Zippy says:

                  “You’re replying to the wrong person. I think Ken Lawson is saying that.”

                  Yep, sorry. Like you, I’m completely done with the “it’s all part of the strategy” BS. It’s a sign that “the system” is merely pretending to hold itself accountable. Look what it took for the 9/11 families to get even a half-arsed 9/11 investigation. When it comes to government, cover-up and damage mitigation is always THE name of the game. Period.

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                • Ohio Teacher says:

                  Dtb- you’re conflating 2 different things.
                  You say they have been investigating for years. Not true. Bill Barr was confirmed in February 2019. He’s been in charge for 10 months.
                  I rarely comment in the treehouse but I come here at least a dozen times a day to read. When I read the negative comments about things that we dont even know I get almost as aggravated as when I read through a spoiled rotten liberal’s tantrums.
                  None of us have a crystal ball (although Sundance just might)
                  However, I am very confident that Barr is a good one. There will be justice for Donald Trump!

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                • Before Barr there was Sessions and Huber and some people on here were saying the same exact thing.

                  Things like this take time, everyone has to be taken down at once, the AG is on it. lol I wouldn’t even call myself a smart person but I’m certainly not NAIVE like so many are here.

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                • trialbytruth says:

                  Your plan please

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                • trialbytruth says:

                  You will have to talk to Teddy Roosevelt. Removing a civil servant is easier then removing a stump with a trowel. So now what is your plan?

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                • trialbytruth says:

                  Lol you have just made yourself look foolish. Now your plan is to have the swamp suddenly go Red Dawn and take our side? Or perhaps you have a full insurrection in mind. We don’t need no stinking law.

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                • Mr e-man says:

                  As a realist you should probably take note of some real things that have happened. Your statement about no one has gotten in any trouble at all is not real. Many of these people were fired, demoted, or disciplined. People like McCabe lost part of his pension. Many of them are also under criminal investigation. That is real.

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                • mopar2016 says:

                  Mother Superior or what?
                  Sounds like you know all about delusional.

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              • stevelbrown says:

                Yea it takes time. And it has been quite a lot of time already. It has been going on for more time than is left to get it done by a lot. If this gets into fall, it is over.

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              • Steve Lontano says:

                I’d be willing to let McCable cop to a lesser crime and shorter imprisonment if he’d provide evidence that would lead to locking up Comey, Clapper & McCabe.

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            • Keln says:

              How many mafia documentaries have you watched? Guessing none by how simple you think taking organized crime down is.

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              • Keln says:

                Ok, since you are an expert, how long did it take the federal government to take down the mafia, from start to finish?

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              • CM-TX says:

                Boy are people gonna be pissed when they find out they’ve been using actors! 🤫 [🤡🌎]

                Will the real “Lisa Page” & “Peter Strzok” please stand-up?

                Note: Unfortunately, I’m fairly sure I’m not kidding.

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              • swissik says:

                I agree with you that the Mafia is not dead, but it has become “respectable” business in all kinds of fields, public, private, finance etc. According to Italian friends of mine living in Italy, “everybody who pays attention” knows it to be true. We hear in the US about the drug cartels from south of the border but we never seem to hear about the drug and human trafficking managed by the Mafia. But I digress….

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              • Linda K. says:

                You like to argue dtb, and cast a gloomy picture, but your arguments are as one dimensional as the name you have chosen for this site.

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            • inspectorudy says:

              Barr doesn’t indict, his selected prosecutor Durham does. By leaving these people employed by the FBI, Durham has more leverage over them than if they are fired. There are several grand juries going on as we speak so just wait a few more weeks instead of making a fool of yourself. AG Barr is the only hope the American people have to show some form of justice. If he fails then we are circling the drain as a nation.

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            • muckeyduck says:

              I hear your doubt, but I have to agree with grasshopper. Did you see the MSNBC interview? This sure did not sound like a “Cover Up” Barr to me. And besides, Durham is doing what Durham does. The result of Durham’s work, if I understand anything at all, will be an “it is what it is” flavor regardless of Barr, who could only engage in “post findings turnover” after conclusion have been reached, right?

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            • dtb….calm down.. take long walk in wood….

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          • LULU says:

            LIKE

            I’m inclined to let the trolls go unanswered. Pretty much took over yesterday’s Horowitz thread until their fingers got tired.

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            • swissik says:

              This is the one issue I have with this site. Anybody who doesn’t sing the praises of individuals that are deemed wonderful, capable, smart etc. etc. is generally dismissed as a troll. It happened to me a long time ago when I didn’t share the enthusiasm about Manafort. “concern troll” used to be a favorite expression. Well so be it, I’ll still keep checking this site because whoever runs it does good, solid research, imo.

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        • I see that the “Trust the Plan” types are griefing you today.

          It’s the same/same as when “Stealth Jeff”/Brian Cates and the Qidiots tried to convince the world that Sessions was actually working WITH Bob Mueller to ensnare “Dumbledore’s Army” holdovers concealed throughout our bureaucracy.

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        • deguello13 says:

          If you can’t get rid of them, just assign them to some hellhole like Bayonne, N.J. Or the North Slope.

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        • Oh, so your Barr’s neighbor, his boss and your credentials for irrefutable credibility are stupendous.

          good to know.

          I must have missed the Pulitzer, Nobel, man of the year, rhodes scholar and legal prestige attributed to you.

          Please forgive our daring to doubt you.

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          • You need to read up on Barr’s history. Some of you are ALMOST as brainwashed as the Leftists. This is unreal. So much faith based on absolutely NOTHING but WORDS.

            All someone needs to do to fool you is release a strongly worded statement. That’s it! Pathetic.

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            • You make me smile. You have ZERO idea of the credentials of the people who you THINK you are educating.

              And your thin skin?

              Might you be an academica ….or an unemployed basement dweller? YOu readily meet the profile.

              Ta ta, ye who deserves your own ‘pathetic’.

              Hubris ALWAYS ends up biting its own rear.

              And so MUCH free time!…

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              • Well if you know Barr’s history and you still support him then you’re a lemming.

                You’re accusing me of being unemployed because I’m on here? So what does that make you?

                And I’m not trying to educate anyone on anything. I’m trying to wake you naive mfs up to the fact that NOTHING IS HAPPENING!!! F you!

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                • swissik says:

                  Well that wasn’t necessary, tsk, tsk, tsk.

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                • It ain't over till it's over says:

                  Your anger should directed at the RNC and that party. Why? I’m glad you asked. What party was in control o the Senate Select Committee on Intel,the House Committee on Intel the Republicans.Why did those committees give their blessing to the President Obama intel leaders to start going after candidate elect Trump and continue into Pres. Trumps admin? The UniPartys control is still there and when you have deadly snakes on both sides of you moving slowly is great progress!

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                • “And I’m not trying to educate anyone on anything. I’m trying to wake you naive mfs up to the fact that NOTHING IS HAPPENING!!! F you!”

                  Nothing like contradicting one’s self while spewing your own personal rage on someone else’s website simply because no one, literally it appears, is interested in your hateful repetitive rhetoric. It’s akin to the rantings of any average phake liberal… not peaceful, tolerant and totally lacking in any semblance of diversity! The ONLY THING that you are doing is trying to “educate” people in your own uninformed opinion!

                  Yeah. Funny thing about your posts, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Not in the least… unless you ARE Bill Barr, you couldn’t possibly know what he has or hasn’t, is or isn’t doing… not yet. No one can tell the future or the inner workings of another person’s mind. Not even you.

                  Not that it matters mind you, you have just called anyone that isn’t goose-stepping to your one-track thought process “naive mfs” while professing that only you can wake them up, followed up in particular to the last unfortunate victim of your constant brain fart with a big ole F you!

                  Stop sharing your @$$hole with everyone, it’s just a ROLCON opinion! ICU

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          • I didn’t realize this would be buried so far. This was to don’ttrustbarr’s sneering reproach to L4grasshopper at the top.

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    • tav144 says:

      Now that Liu is on her way out, I believe you will see that occur. In fact, I believe that is why they kept pushing off on it, because they had to get her out of the way first.

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    • cboldt says:

      I doubt you’d accept a good faith explanation if one was prepared.
      I recommend you study criminal statutes and compare with the actions McCabe took, as well as historical US Attorney reaction to similar misconduct.
      Shocking as it may be, lying to the public — even making false accusations by the FBI against a president — is not a crime. False allegations in an affidavit to a court might be perjury, but you likely have not studied exactly what it takes to get a perjury conviction, especially against the government.

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      • Seriously? McCabe lied under oath multiple times. Did you not know that?

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        • cboldt says:

          Yeah, seriously. Study perjuy law and practice. I hear what you are saying, BTW, I know the accusation “McCabe lied under oath.” The devil is in the details, and I laid out several study angles that inform Barr, that you need to come up to speed on in order to sustain an informed discussion on the subject.
          Government lawyers “lie under oath” hundreds of times a day. It’s an inherent part of the investigatory and prosecutorial swamp. Shouldn’t be, but it is. The “line” for securing a conviction involves many elements, including one called “materiality” and another one called “intent.”

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Why don’t you look up what happens to those people ‘making false allegations to FBI investgators to hide your own involvement’ and ‘lying to FBI investigators’.

        McCabe blamed New York agents for the leaks he made. This caused the investigators to waste a lot of time proving he lied to them. Then McCabe changed his lies to ‘Comey gave me authorization’.

        A man who has authorization doesn’t start off falsely blaming others. And sure enough Comey denied giving McCabe authorization. But I won’t blame anyone for not believing Comey.

        McCabe still lied to FBI investigators. Any normal joe, or even Republican, who did that would already be serving time. Even in DC.

        Hillary’s crime buddies and Obama’s choom gang on the other hand never serve time, especially in DC. (McDougals excepted.)

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        • Despicable Me says:

          Uh, people lie to FBI Agents all the time and they aren’t prosecuted for it but if they lie to a prosecutor, well that is usually a different story. The gloves come off and it is game on for a false statements charge but ONLY if there are no other provable substantive charges available. If everyone who has ever lied to a cop, federal agent or prosecutor was prosecuted we wouldn’t have sufficient prison space for them all.

          What is so troubling about the Mickey Mouse false statements charges pursued by the Special Counsel’s is that they couldn’t make any other case against the subjects so they had to settle for or manufacture (in some instances IMO) a false statements case based on what seems to be simple misremembering of facts. This is a true and chilling paradigm shift in prosecutorial discretion.

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    • Somewhere in Dixie says:

      Because our entire government is a criminal enterprise. That is why they want the revolution to get rid of the President. They only way to get rid of the deep state corruption that has been going on for years is to go there, surround them, arrest them ALL, put them in Guantanamo and sort them out via military court. This will empty DC for sure. Oh, don’t forget the lobbyists and the staffers who are the ones that actually write the bills.

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      • That whole GITMO dream is NEVER going to happen. Please don’t cling to that. It SHOULD happen, don’t get me wrong, but it never will.

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      • Pale rider says:

        It’s actually a good idea. Instead of “all” at once just get one or two maybe a few at a time in a location away from the help. Something to force movement in a lawful way. It may need a little work and they may go right back into the public but the point gets made. ‘We know and won’t put up with it.’
        I was thinking this morning of just how bad it’s gotten in our government and why I believe it’s this way. We don’t force law enforcement to act. It’s that way at every intersection of community. If you need police to check up on your neighborhood you have to call and raise cain to get a response. Same here. Either money or agitation.

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        • Despicable Me says:

          Perhaps it is the community in which you reside. I find the police where I live to be fairly responsive. But there are always exceptions. Some people just don’t want to do the job they are paid to do. I made a complaint to the parks and recreation department for my county concerning hazardous access to a local park in my community and mentioned how the contour of the cross street coupled with speeding traffic endangered people in the community who attempted to venture across the street to the park. Within one or two days and for several days in a row (and a number of times since then) the local police have run seed traps precisely where the problem is. I acknowledge that it could have been coincidental and also highly likely I might not have gotten such a quick and/or sustained response if I had called the police directly. It is also possible the department was short on the monthly ticket quota and merely deployed to meet that. Nonetheless I was pleasantly surprised.

          The local police routinely and professionally respond to all matter of calls whether the calls are for vehicular vandalism, front porch theft, trespassing, domestic violence, etc.

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    • D3F1ANT says:

      I can explain it. NONE of them will be indicted. Wake up. This is a LONG process designed to fatigue Americans until they “forget” the problem and then all of the criminals and insurrectionists collect their graft and filthy lucre and ride off into the sunset (that is if they’ve had their fill…many will just stay on to keep skimming the coffers). Republicans aren’t a huge part of it…but they are a part. Some are on the make along with the Left…others are simply cowards and don’t want the mean Leftists to railroad THEM too.

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      • Wake up? I totally agree with you that none of them will be indicted.

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        • free2313 says:

          Well perhaps, America can hire you and D3F1ANT to take care of it…
          Which could start a revolution and voilà , the slate can be cleared!

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          • That’s funny since it seems that Sundance himself along with several of the legal eagles on CTH agree with me. Nothing is happening to these people! WAKE UP!

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            • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

              Sundance states his case but he doesn’t insult people who disagree with him.

              You state your case but then get all up in your emotions and hurl insults at people who disagree with you.

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            • I don’t think you read Sundance carefully enough. He is giving his view FOR NOW. But if you have been here long enough DTB, you’ll know that as he gains new information he is not averse to revising his opinion….which doesn’t agree with your personae in the least.

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              • Well then you’ve read me wrong. If I’m wrong about Barr I would celebrate. You’re seriously going to judge someone’s “personae” from a few posts online? That’s ridiculous. And don’t say I judged SD either. I’m simply saying it SEEMS that he agrees that Barr is Bondo. He’s been hinting for months now.

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                • When one calls people they don’t even know “naive mfs” while SCREAMING his OPINION about ONE SUBJECT before signing off with “F you!”, it’s not a reach to say they have a good idea of your “personae”… why don’t you try some melatonin and a nice cup of warm milk? lol

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        • Buzzsaw says:

          Barr won’t do enough which is why I compiled a list of traitors involved in the coup.

          MICHAEL HOROWITZ
          CHRISTOPHER WRAY
          JOHN “DeLay” HUBER
          ROBERT MUELLER
          JOHN BRENNAN
          JAMES CLAPPER
          JAMES BAKER
          Michael Steinbach
          E. W. Priestap
          Trisha Anderson
          Carl Ghattas
          ANDREW WEISSMANN (Mueller team)
          ROD ROSENSTEIN
          LORETTA LYNCH
          BRUCE OHR
          NELLIE OHR
          KEVIN CLINESMITH
          GLENN SIMPSON
          DANA BOENTE
          VICTORIA NULAND
          PETE STRZOK
          LISA PAGE
          JAMES COMEY (wrongfully exonerated by Horowitz and the DOJ multiple times)
          ANDREW MCCABE (wrongfully exonerated by Horowitz and the DOJ multiple times)
          GREGORY BAKER
          TERRENCE DUDLEY
          JOHN CARLIN
          ZAINAB AHMAD (Mueller team)
          GREG ANDRES (Mueller team)
          ANDREW GOLDSTEIN (Mueller team)
          MICHAEL DREEBEN (Mueller team)
          LAWRENCE ATKINSON (Mueller team)
          ADAM JED (Mueller team)
          SCOTT MEISLER (Mueller team)
          ELIZABETH PRELOGAR (Mueller team)
          JAMES QUARLES (Mueller team)
          JEANNIE RHEE (Mueller team)
          BRANDON VAN GRACK (Mueller team)
          AARON ZEBLEY (Mueller team)
          AARON ZOLENSKY (Mueller team)
          ERIC CIARAMELLA
          SEAN MOSKO
          ALEXANDER VINDMAN
          MARIE YOVANOVITCH
          DANIEL GOLDMAN
          BARRY BERKE
          MICHAEL ISIKOFF
          DAVID CORN
          WILLIAM TAYLOR
          GEORGE KENT
          GORDON SONDLAND
          JOHN KERRY
          ERIC HOLDER
          LOIS LERNER
          PAUL RYAN
          BARACK OBAMA
          JOHN MCCAIN
          DAVID KRAMER
          VALERIE JARRETT
          HILLARY CLINTON
          SUSAN RICE
          MARK WARNER
          STEFAN HALPER
          JONATHAN WINER
          DAN JONES
          MICHAEL GAETA
          JOE PIENTKA
          GEORGE SOROS
          ALEXANDER SOROS
          KEN DILANIAN
          JENNIFER BOONE
          JAMES WOLFE
          ED O’CALLAGHAN
          JESSIE LIU
          JOHN KOSKINEN

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          • jwmson says:

            Amazing…the # of criminals and crooks actually involved and destroying OUR govt. And, don’t believe for 1 second BHO didn’t know..may not have known everything and all, but he was aware and these were his soldiers.

            Amn citizens have been scammed. How many of our neighbors, friends, family members been convicted OF MUCH LESS and paid the price….???

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          • cboldt says:

            And (other than press which is inherently exposed) that is the tip of the iceberg that dares to poke head above water.

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          • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

            Barr won’t do enough

            If you expressed that in the form of an opinion I would have more respect for it. But you have zero idea what he’s going to do. There are actually plenty of positive signs about Barr that many of the pessimists willfully ignore.

            We all need to wait and see. I am optimistic about Barr, I see lots of signs that he’s going to break open the coup plots and expose the traitors, but I might be wrong. We will all see in the somewhat near future, Barr did say he expects this investigation to wrap in Spring of next year IIRC. Plenty of time to encourage more people to escape from the Dem plantation prior to the 2020 election.

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            • mazziflol says:

              The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. To get a guage for what Barr will do… All I have to do is look at how Barr protected the FBI and covered for his agents during the Ruby Ridge incident.

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              • mazziflol says:

                But please… By all means ‘trust the plan’. And while you are doing that… Can you tell me how that declassification directive the President handed down to Barr is going? How long has it been now?

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                • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

                  I was never a Q follower, always a Q detractor.

                  YOU want declassification. That’s fine. But your timeline is not Barr’s timeline. Remember when people theorized that the President allowed Barr to declassify documents because they might be used in a grand jury? That seemed reasonable to me.

                  I’m patient. Spring or Summer 2020 is fine with me for the Barr/Durham investigation to wrap. I just want it to wrap before November 2020.

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                • mazziflol says:

                  it’s one thing to be patient when faced with single short-term annoyances, like the driver who cuts you off or having to stand in a long line because of a chatty cashier.

                  It’s quite another when unacceptable behavior is repeated over a such a long period of time and there never seems to be a shortage on excuses.

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                • There is quite a difference in being cut off in traffic or being annoyed by a “chatty cashier” and prosecuting a swamp full of career thieves and traitors.

                  Just sayn. We all want the same thing, but none of us are in charge and might just find that we can and will GET WHAT WE NEED.

                  Had to leave this here, the other comment where this was had no reply box. All said in a friendly manner too, despite the caps there… 😉

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          • Buzzsaw-Did you sent names of those beauties to Mr.Barr ?????

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          • Your Tour Guide says:

            Excellent list. Consider adding Sally Yates to
            it. It’s hard to keep track of all the filth, but she
            belongs among them, IMO.

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          • farmerren says:

            Great List Buzz.
            I trust Barr/Durham for now. Seems like I may have to wait till early/mid 2020 to see some of those creeps on your list indicted.

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            • I believe- my inner feeling- is Mr.Lavrov (current visit to DC)delivered phone calls of his Highness Hussein O …this is maybe reason reason of delay to deal with higher up beauties till spring 2020….Mr. Lavrov could not watch on worst relations with USA since CUBA crisis since 1962 only because because of bolshevics actions in CON gress..

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          • Everett Miller says:

            amazing list. thank you. i do believe a couple additions are in order:
            Jeff Sessions. Guilty of 18 U.S. Code § 4 – “Misprision of Felony”
            Mitch McConnell. Guilty of taking foreign bribes through his wife from ChiComs.

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          • redline says:

            CONTRERAS!

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          • redline says:

            And, of course, David Laufman.

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          • Great start, Buzzsaw.

            🤔 How about the JUDGES …

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          • 1togetready says:

            Thank you! A quick count (could be off 1 or 2) of 75!

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        • Bladerunner says:

          You have to be the biggest stick in the mud here. You seem to think or want the Lone Ranger to ride into town and just start hauling people to Gitmo. Trump can’t just do that. He’s not a dictator. Is that what YOU want? He’s playing the long game because he has to get the public to see all the rot first, and then start getting indictments and then trials and hauling people off to jail. And try doing this when night and day for three years he’s been fighting a false Russian collusion narrative and investigation and now an impeachment. Don’t you see the DS is trying to corner him yet every time he gets away, but what that does is stymie him. All the while the lowest unemployment in 50 years and a booming economy, winning a trade war with China, manufacturing jobs returning, wages for middle America increasing, yada yada.

          You can’t just expect to wide out a DS that’s been entrenched for 30 years. It’s Trump, Barr, Durham, Nunes, Collins and Gaetz against thousands of DS employees and a complicit media. How did you expect it to turn out???

          My take is Trump will turn on them after he wins re-election. That’s when you will see Trump bring out the hammer because he will have nothing to lose and the public via the investigation and the sham impeachment will see that the rot needs cleaned out. Besides, you can’t just make some simple case against an army of lawyers that Comey, McCabe, et al get indicted. You have to cross your Ts and dot your Is. It has to be rock solid and air tight. Oh, and try finding a hundred Fed attorneys who you can trust. Good luck.

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          • Who’s exposing the rot? LOL NO ONE IS. Your theory doesn’t mesh with reality. It’s wishful thinking at best.

            “Oh, and try finding a hundred Fed attorneys who you can trust”

            Your words. And we both KNOW that will never happen. There probably isn’t 10 Fed attorneys in DC Trump could trust.

            And honestly, I’m only responding to my alerts. If you’d stop replying then guess what? You wouldn’t see me. lol Sucks you didn’t accuse me of ROLCON.

            You could have been #45. haha

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            • Despicable Me says:

              Disclaimer: Prior to the deep state actions against candidate and then POTUS Trump (and also before many actions taken throughout the Obama administration) I’d always considered most DOJ attorneys I’ve known or worked with to be too cautious and usually possessing a preference to err on the side of caution when it came to prosecutorial discretion decisions.

              Having worked in the USG for over 30 years I got to know a number of excellent lawyers (iI almost choked while typing that!) who have served with distinction and honor and above all were what I would call fair minded. I didn’t know nor care to know the political affiliations or proclivities of many of them except the few with whom I also socialized. Sadly, over those 30 years the quality and character of government lawyers diminished to where a large majority were either afraid to aggressively pursue a readily probable case or recklessly pursued a conviction at all costs in often very murky cases. It wasn’t until the last decade (maybe as far back as post 911) or so that I noticed that political affiliations seemed to drive and inform the decisions made by some people (mostly those who were left leaning).

              There are still some good lawyers there who are nearing retirement and surprisingly a number of really good solid youngsters. Many went into exile during the Obama administration and questioned whether they wanted to emerge to join and support POTUS for what they accurately foresaw would become a “sh!t show.” A few surfaced while others remained buried in the bureaucracy.

              I know a retired paralegal specialist who had worked under Barr at one time in the late 80s/early 90s and upon learning Barr was being tapped for the AG slot volunteered directly to him to return to service. This same person (who is a conservative) also recently surmised that the only reason they were initially hired into the DOJ all those years ago was because they were then a registered Democrat.

              I pray G-d raises up solid men and women of character to take on the rot in the USG (particularly within the DOJ and FBI) and stiffens the spines of those still there so they remember and seriously adhere to the oath they took when they entered on duty,

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      • Linda K. says:

        I disagree. If Barr can nab a few big fish, the criminal system will start to fold. I am struck again by the difference in outcome two good honest men, Devin Nunes  and Adm. Mike Rogers, have made in this coup.
        Creepy Warner in his communications says Assange will be a disaster for the dems, Obama , CIA and national security. Then he talks about the good of the country. Deluded,
        What about McCarthy, he seems like he is trying to shoot straight lately?

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      • jwmson says:

        I’m of the opinion, nothing as well. Or, at least back to HRC, BHO, Biden, Lerner, Holder, Susan Rice, Lynch…..those trails are likely closed-loops at this point. By DJT NOT firing, removing all the rank & file (and who knows why he was not informed/pushed/directed to do so) that ‘clean-up’ was done or is likely done at this point. Thus, the 2-3 tiered legal system will continue. HRC got her $millions, Biden, Heinz kids got their $millions, BHO, Holder, Rice, Lynch, etc were enriched and will never be prosecuted, just like Lerner walked away (a puzzle why allowed or was that permitted???)…

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    • Because in federal court, a defendant has a right to a trial within a very short time (I think 90 days) after indictment. Most state courts indict then wait until they are ready to try the case and there is no right to be tried within a short time period. In federal court, a prospective defendant defendant may receive a “target letter” letting him know he is going to be indicted, but the feds don’t indict until they are ready to try OR if the defendant receiving the target letter and lawyer agree to waive the speedy trial provisions.

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      • So the old, they can’t go after McCabe yet because they have to get everyone at the same time nonsense. Got it.

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        • LULU says:

          It isn’t nonsense. It’s a process with which some are unfamiliar.

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          • Chilidog says:

            So, how long do you think it will take the DS to get Giuliani’s indictment? They’ve only been investigating him for a few months. Maybe 1-2 more years? I’m being facetious. Under Barr it may or may not happen. Under Sessions / Rosenstein it would be guaranteed to happen prior to the Senate impeachment trial.

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          • Despicable Me says:

            DTB – I truly understand your frustration and admire your passion, but (there’s always a but isn’t there 😉) the difference between how the Mueller/Weismann investigation was conducted and how the Barr/Durham investigation appears to be being conducted is a study in stark contrasts.

            The M/W investigation was based on unserious and made up allegations and was injudicious from the start (though earnestly pursued) based on nothing. Many of us on this board didn’t agree with much (more like openly and violently disagreed with most) of anything they said or did. NONE of their investigatory results bolstered their investigatory or prosecutorial hypotheses but actually detracted from it. They churned out Mickey Mouse bogus false statements cases like they were candy (which they truly were prosecutorial candy…Hey, I got a Manafort, what did you get?) and dusted off a prior investigation of Manafort that had been sitting idle for several years. The M/W report has been discredited and was anything but praiseworthy.

            The B/D investigation (which started before the IG report was released) OTOH is based on serious allegations (supported by a-lot of evidence already in the public domain) of a conspiracy to undermine and overthrow a duly elected POTUS; it is being handled seriously and judiciously and the glimpses of the investigatory and prosecutorial hypotheses offered by Barr show a methodical and consistent movement in the right direction…….

            his initial letter which many believe lead to POTUS tapping him as AG,
            initial statements about his belief that POTUS was spied on,
            shutting down the M/W investigation,
            getting ahead of the M/W report,
            moving Weismann and Rosenstein to other pastures,
            the designation of Durham to conduct a review,
            the separation of powers speech at the federalist society which is consistent with his initial letter,
            the announcement that Durhams review is now a criminal investigation and has empaneled a grand jury (just heard Joe DiGenova mentioned empanelment of a FGJ by Durham during an interview in the Larry O’Connor radio program),
            the proposed movement of Liu to other pastures,
            the long awaited release of the IG Report which was updated in less than 24 hours removing some unnecessary redactions and
            strong statements by both Barr and Durham disagreeing with the IG’s overall conclusion.

            The IG report significantly bolsters and does not conflict nor detract from the B/D investigatory/prosecutorial hypotheses. I suspect things are actually moving very quickly right now behind the scenes which we probably won’t and should not see at this stage of things. Just for a point of reference, at one time, your run of the mill public corruption investigation took 1.6 years from inception to indictment/information. I wrote and lost a previous posting of a listing of over two dozen potential charges that we can expect the B/D investigation to bring which included conspiracy, bribery, mail fraud, computer fraud, obstruction of justice, wire fraud, money laundering and possibly though remotely sedition. While some of these charges seem innocuous, they are the building blocks to fleshing out the full conspiracy. We don’t have a year and a half amount in which to start seeing indictments which is why I believe things are moving much more quickly than would be typical.

            By your screen name, you are obviously not predisposed to trust Barr and I am not asking you to blindly do that. However, trusting but verifying is not a bad way to go. That’s what I’m doing and why I acknowledge that what Barr (and by extension Durham) has already accomplished (in this matter only) is significant and praise worthy. I think things bode well going forward. I’ve stated this before that while I’m not into hope porn, I’m also not succumbing to doom porn either (just yet).

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      • The Right to a Speedy trial is guaranteed in the 6th Amendment and applies to ALL prosecutions, State and Federal. But, THAT clock starts with a defendant’s first court appearance, and is usually waived by the defendant’s representatives so that a proper defense can be prepared.

        This is different from time limits imposed by Statutes of Limitations, which stem from Common Law and whose clocks start on the date of alleged offense.

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    • Because Bill Barr is Jeff Sessions 2.0 and the entire “Investigate the Investigators” narrative is yet another performance by the gatekeepers of the DC Status Quo.

      NO ONE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE WILL EVER BE PROSECUTED for crimes associated with Spygate, FISAGate, or the Soft Coup “Insurance Policy”

      Barr and Durham will simply repeat the lame excuses raised by Comey when he let HRC off the hook:

      “No proof of intent…”
      “No reasonable prosecutor…”

      Blah
      Blah
      Blah

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      • Get ready for a dozen angry replies telling you how wrong you are and how Barr is just getting his ducks in a row. The whole thing is a farce. Thankfully SOME of you are catching on. They’re conning us.

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        • Yup

          LOL

          I’m already being called a “ShareBlue Troll” for saying Barr’s a Uniparty Gatekeeper.

          Pfffft.

          I judge him by his actions (he’s prosecuted NO ONE so far in relation to this) and I don’t give a DAYUM what the “Trust the Plan” acolytes call me.

          Remember how the Statute of Limitations was allowed to let James Clapper walk?

          Yeah, Trust THIS…

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          • That, or are unable to hold an honest debate from differing viewpoints while maintaining the understanding that we ARE on the same side on the most basic issues.

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          • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

            I judge him by his actions

            Your impatience is clouding your judgement. Barr and Durham are doing the work. They are setting the timeline, not you.

            Barr has already given some clear signs that he’s intending to do the right thing. First, he publicly stated that he believes the Democrats spied on Trump. He handled the Mueller fiasco PERFECTLY. (I believe Barr is the person who got Mueller to wrap in May because prior to that Mueller had stated he was going to start “investigating” other things that would have dragged everything out into 2020.) But the biggest and best sign is that he OPENED AN INVESTIGATION and he assigned a federal prosecutor to it. They have reportedly acquired Mifsud’s phones, they have interviewed key players. Barr and Durham have also been vocal that they disagree with Horowitz’ laughable FISA conclusions. You have to ignore an awful lot of positive evidence in order to be pessimistic about Barr. But like the other Treeper said:

            If someone really, really wants to step out into the path of oncoming traffic just because they aren’t intellectually and/or emotionally capable of enduring a process that MUST play out, then so be it.

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          • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

            Reality? Your opinion is not necessarily reality. We’ll find out in the end if you are right, but right now you just have an opinion and it seems to be founded on your impatience and lack of knowledge and nothing more.

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      • And ever since Trump was elected I’ve been praying he would do a Camacho entrance at a State of the Union. haha

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      • Joemama says:

        Shareblue trolls are quite active on CTH today.

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        • LULU says:

          And they are being fed. Same bunch from yesterday. Scripts in hand. They are having a swell time hijacking this thread as they did the Horowitz thread yesterday. Some here are helping them along… Best ignored. Can’t talk to themselves forever…

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          • carterzest says:

            #ROLCON, or, even better, #TROLLCON

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          • Ray Runge says:

            LuLu, what remains help, IMO, is to have a personal “measuring stick to judge where in the process as a country we are in regard correcting a corrupt 2 tiered justice system.

            However long the process takes, until there are indictments and prosecutions to address the coup criminal of the past 3 years, We in the USA will remain with a Two Tiered Justice System.

            Until there is legal redress and punishment, there will exist adverse incentive to reproduce illegal hoaxes to subvert out government and duly elected POTUS>

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          • trialbytruth says:

            So now you reintroduce another riff which you were successful with earlier can I be 45,46,and 47
            Rolcon, rolcon, rolcon

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          • Linda K. says:

            Barr announced a criminal investigation. This involves a Grand Jury, to get evidence under oath.

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          • mikeyboo says:

            “Can’t talk to themselves forever”… but they sure are giving the old college try!

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        • Chilidog says:

          What’s a “shareblue troll”?

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          • ann says:

            Yes, I want to know too!,
            Often I’m torn both ways, each post makes pertinent posits.

            not qualified to discuss legal points
            In my amateur & humble opinion, wo timely & effective intervention working within the legal/judicial legislative system as it presently is structured, the solutions are found OUTSIDE the artificial construct of fed law. Without mutuality, reciprocity, respect, we have tyranny.

            This was Created in my childhood, consolidated & now made manifest ,

            Put much thought into this painful situation. My decision is to fight, hard, and sacrififice , to dismantle this two tier exempt lawless federal insiders network rather than the alternative: passing on this crappy legacy to younger Americans.

            I do believe we have compelling evidence that the DoJBureau has gone rogue.
            But I hope for active signs of DOJ structural & procedure revisions, that deletes the present rigged fall back system .

            I’m watching for internal indicators that the Blob is being tamed.

            One big need is to change Rules, statiates, protocols, whatever it is labeled, so prosecutions are free of compromised personnel , (unlike Manaforts) & performed in districts outside the dirty prosecutor district’s & tainted jury pools.

            Does the org WANT to self reform? Hell no. Just read the texts of Warner, Page & Strouck, observe the hi func socios at the top of the chain of command.

            So I’m not glum, sad, or resigned. I’m happy with the bigger picture, the increased transparency that helps make our youth more aware & realistic,, and prepared to take this where it goes .

            I don5 know how to identify or deal w trolls, ad rem is a pillar of Treehouse preservation.
            I pretty much assume everyone comes here for the real low down Sundance and Treeper tutors give us.

            Merry Christmas to everyone. Ann 🌲✝️🇺🇸

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          • Joemama says:

            I’m sorry. I remember being so frustrated about these kinds of things back when I was first learning what the real world is about. Please forgive me.

            Here is a link that explains everything that the one world government/communist/progressive/socialist front has been executing for a few years now:

            Unfortunately it is quite long, but it explains quite completely the plans of the one world government communist activists.

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        • 4gypsybreeze says:

          Donttrustbarr. Even your name sums it up. Many Treepers have been here on their limbs for years. Before the election. During the Zimmerman trial. I remember when we hit 50K and thought that was a lot of people.
          We HAVE been following all of Sundance’s articles. And in some cases we are finally seeing a lot of what we have learned reach the sunlight. Zimmerman case and the date redactions are the most recent.
          So, here you are. Donttrustbarr….and you come here and highjack the threads, throw insults for people to wake up, etc. You are being insulting-and obnoxious.
          Here is a bit of advice .Go back a couple of years on this site and read Sundance’s articles. But first begin by reading the About Us and Guidelines.

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Why do you have a Pinocchio tato?

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Why do you have a Pinocchio tato?

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        • Joemama says:

          Dude – If you are who you say you are, and I am beginning to believe you, please, please try to relax.

          I totally understand your frustration, if you are real.

          Everything is going to be OK, kind of by definition. I’m not going to try to expound upon the detail, but it is going to end up OK in the end.

          Please “mellow out”.

          Thanks.

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          • Real as in I’m actually a Trump supporter?

            Yes, I’m a massive Trump supporter. I’m not a Leftist activist, I’ve just recently woken up to the nonsense going on in the GOP. Mitch, Graham, Burr, Romney, etc are ALMOST as bad as the Dems. Some would say they’re even worse since they pretend to be our allies. They all need to be lined up with the Commies.

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    • LULU says:

      Grand jury indicts. Read up on the process. You’ll find the explanation there. Common sense and how large scale plots are handled would help, but…

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    • Rick says:

      The big apple is sedition, and it’s the hardest to convict. You don’t start handing out indictments on small stuff until you get all the pieces of the puzzle together. And like Sundance said, it is a big complicated picture they’re trying to piece together, a giant mess created by lying lawyers who make a living slithering like snakes around the letter of the law.

      These people are more dangerous to our republic than ISIS Iran, Russia. They’re the enemy within.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      This comment by another Treeper is again appropriate:

      If someone really, really wants to step out into the path of oncoming traffic just because they aren’t intellectually and/or emotionally capable of enduring a process that MUST play out, then so be it.

      Your impatience and lack of knowledge is not a legitimate reason to criticize Barr.

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    • California Joe says:

      Lindsey Graham kept saying that the Crossfire Hurricane team was hand picked yesterday!!! So, he’s on to McCabe because McCabe handpicked all the Trump haters. I don’t think McCabe is sleeping very well now. Do you?

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      • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

        If you want to have a pessimistic opinion that’s you’re right, but when you start to criticize others for being more objective then you are crossing over an unacceptable line.

        You remind me of the Sessions cult who used to harrass anyone who dared to criticize Sessions. They were just as rude as you are, not only disagreeing but hurling insults too, and ganging up with other like-minded cultmembers to try to silence anyone who didn’t share their opinion. They took over entire threads. Look what happened to those people … you don’t hear from them any more, because THEY WERE WRONG. Like you, they were SO sure they were right and it turned out they were totally wrong. Trump is ultimately at fault for appointing Sessions but Sessions is the cause of much misery for Trump and now everyone understands it and nobody defends him any more. What’s really sad though is none of those loud mouthed boors apologized to the rest of us.

        If I were you I’d tone down the criticism of others because you might end up as red-faced too. If you want to state your reasons for lacking faith (which right now just seem to be limited to “no indictments yet” which isn’t really valid since you presumably aren’t privvy to any of the investigation details) that’s fine. We don’t all have to disagree. But stating your baseless opinion as fact and then shouting down anyone who disagrees with you is pointless.

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          We don’t all have to agree, I mean.

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          I have never stated that Barr is going to save the world, that he’s going to imprison people, etc. You can look back through all of my comments. All I have done is express some faith based on positive tangible evidence, some of which I mentioned elsewhere (above or below). I might be wrong in the end, we’ll see, but at least I’m employing logic and reason and not being driven by pure emotion.

          You can insult and swear at me all you want but it only makes you look bad, not me.

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          • So if that’s not your position then why are you bashing me for taking the opposite position?

            “Faith based” That says it all.

            And why on Earth do you think I care about what people here think of me? Stop responding. Better yet, respond when Barr actually does something to these people. Same thing.

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          • mazziflol says:

            Hey thought police… Just because I say three minus five equals negative two (3-5= -2) does not mean that I’m making a pessimistic statement. Just stating a fact. All I have done is express some pessimism based on negative tangible evidence. You actually have audacity to tell people how to express themselves.

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            • Given the vitriol and your defensiveness, you obviously are offering thoughts that you are not well prepared to defend as anything other than impulse.

              Insults always tell who lack real substance to their opinion.

              And hint: scolding someone with words like ‘audacity’ about their being thought police..

              …IS thought police.

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          Calm down.

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        • 4gypsybreeze says:

          Donttrustbarr…please read the guidelines.. Many of us have been around for years. We have been following for years. To have someone who insults other Treepers to the extent you have, high jacking threads with none related posts. You definitely earned this—

          AD REM—-CLEAN UP ON THIS AISLE!

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        • LULU says:

          He’s just needling Treepers for the exercise. Pinochet was in power in Chile in the late 70s and 80s. What interest does a Pinochet fan have in the Conservative Treehouse? Pure BS.

          If he’d been sincere, he’d have stated his opinion once and moved on. He’s a troll.

          Any minute his Mother will call down the cellar stores to send him on an errand to the grocery store…

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    • hokkoda says:

      If I was placing bets, I’d say that McCabe’s status is inextricably intertwined with the Russia-hoax investigation run by Durham. It’s leverage for McCabe to plea down to a lesser charge in exchange for his cooperation against Comey and Brennan who are probably the principal targets of Durham’s probe. Strzok, Ohr, Baker(ONA), etc. being key foot soldiers, but not the ringleaders, and McCabe somewhere in-between.

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    • jmuniz1 says:

      At least the put Nunez in the gang of eight and got rid of Rubio that is a good sign

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    • fhb says:

      was the need for the FBI surveilence of the Trump campaign ALWAYS intended to be
      AN October SURPRISE dirty trick…. by hrc obama and the dnc?

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    • rondonmonson says:

      Barr wants to use all the LEVERAGE he has in each case. Why Indict and try McCabe before the others ?If others are under indictment then McCabe will think, hey I got to make a deal before I get ratted on. Its all about leverage. If they bring a charge before they get all their ducks in a row some people may skate for lack of cooperation.

      For instance, if you got Gotti on trial, he might skate, when you have Gotti and 10 others the rats start ratting on each other. Its all about leverage.

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  2. Sentient says:

    Is the state of Virginia so far gone that they would re-elect Warner in 2020? Warner’s total corruption + state democrats’ big gun-grabbing efforts + Northam being a pro-abortion extremist and Klansman (or was he the blackface guy?) should make Virginia a possible flip to red for the president.

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    • DeWalt says:

      Is the recent state elections any indicator?

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      • Bill says:

        Actually there were more votes for Reps here in Virginia then there were for Dems this November. They just weren’t in the right districts. And now with the 2a gun grab there is a ground swell against the Dems. Not sure why these idiots that didn’t vote, or voted Dem, thought they wouldn’t try to take our guns, but they seem awake now. It could tip it for Trump on a national scale.

        Not sure we can regain the state level with northerners sprawling out into the far reaches of the suburbs. Prince William would have never gone blue back in the 80’s. But they were the first area to really get an influx of latin Americans back then. And now that self hating white socialists are moving in, it’s a disaster.

        The major problem is, people from up North moved into my beloved Arlington and Fairfax (once strong conservative counties during my youth and young adult life) to take jobs on the hill and K street and their outside beliefs have slowly eroded both counties. And those counties hold the largest voting power in the nation. I hate what has become to both. And now that we lost the govt here we will be Maryland in no time flat. I’ll be in SC within 3 years. Shame I have to leave my home but I’m not living under a Nazi regime.

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    • Trumpstumper says:

      Uniparty is alive and thriving in Va… GOPe is happy to lose and pretend to play second fiddle.

      Overlay a current 2a Sanct kerfluffle map on the red/blue maps of the past few elections and it becomes painfully obvious.

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    • lindashawn says:

      I bet a campaign ad showing some of Mark Warner’s text messages would do wonders for his opponent.

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    • 2zymos says:

      Discovering your premise is false:
      (Its a longer post so we’ll go with the short version…)

      Many of the “elections” are “elections” in name only.
      With the advent of media control, narrative control, fraudulent ‘fact’ (think polls and polling)
      and then !!VOTE FRAUD AND VOTE COUNTING MANIPULATION!!…

      So the result is obambam ‘election’: clearly fraud constructed narrative persona, not even eligible, fraudulent birth certificate, fraudulent Benghazi narrative, massive fraud injection of other ‘data/info’ plus media coordinated operations in support and vote suppression and funding through computer manipulation… followed up with vote counting operations..

      At what point do you ‘discover the truth’: these people are NOT elected ACTUALLY and are deemed ‘elected’ eventually–in many cases.
      Warner is an easy call.
      Obama yep.
      California elections this year (more obviously than in past years) vote harvesting:
      Schiff
      Waters
      Somebody want to look into feinstein
      How bout them odds on ‘kamala’ in a free-flow of truth and honest vote environment
      AOC is an op
      Alabama was an op
      most recent VA = yep an op
      Trump called out the vote rigging in FL at his Sunrise FL rally!

      I guess people didn’t get a ‘clue’ after Florida Vote Fraud Disaster 1 = 2000 bush gore ‘fight’.
      So, let’s bury this “the ‘voters’ got what they deserved” BS– not reasonable when they do NOT NOT NOT actually control the outcome of the voting.

      !Ready for a red-pill-truth-bomb!

      The CIA. ExecutiveObama, FBI DOJ IRS NSA DNC RNC, Senate, House, SCOTUS and parts of the JCS…
      MADE. STUFF. UP.
      to defeat Trump, install hillary — and when it failed to function — ‘delete’ Trump

      Its about way more than Trillion$ (meaning Sundance is still right on the truth but not the whole truth…) WAY. MORE.

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      • ann says:

        I get you, safe seats in Sanctuary State & city, feels like living in a DNC zone of occupation.

        The SCOTUS rulings basically monetised CONgress, although that was before my lifetime.

        Agree, Votes in a captured system aren’t sufficient means of getting control back.

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    • stevelbrown says:

      yes

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    • JonS says:

      As a resident of the Old Dominion, I say yes. Only four or five counties in three regions of the state determine these results. The rest of us are damned upset and frustrated.

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    • twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

      By Joe Schaeffer

      The former red bastion of Virginia has been toppled and turned blue thanks in large part to massive demographic change spurred by Third World immigration.

      Do not believe those who would downplay what has happened in the Californicated commonwealth formerly known as the Old Dominion. An invasive wave of immigration spanning the past 30-odd years has ushered in an era of Democrat dominance that will not be overturned any time soon.

      “For example, in 1990, Virginia’s foreign-born population stood at only five percent. Fast forward to 2017, and Virginia’s foreign-born population now makes up 12.5 percent of the state’s total population — a near tripling of immigrant residents in less than three decades,” Breitbart’s John Binder reported in the aftermath of Tuesday’s election catastrophe for Republicans.

      “To put that data into numbers, in 1990 there were less than 312,000 foreign-born residents living in Virginia. Today, there are close to 1.1 million, almost four times what the population was three decades before,” Binder noted.

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  3. bulwarker says:

    Warner is up for re-election in 2020, seems like Barr would rather leave it up to the voters hoping Warner is removed by the ballot (unlikely) than through legal action. This fits nicely with Barr saying Durham won’t conclude his investigation until the Summer, and by then the DOJ will cite its own ruling on non-prosecution during an election year.

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    • gary says:

      sorry to see your hopelessness. no way barr backs down,especially after eric holder has now attacked him. holder also put durham on notice. hahahaha

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    • 2zymos says:

      There is neither a ‘good’ season of the year nor a ‘good’ year for war.
      War comes when intolerable arrives.
      Events are no longer governed by timing but governed by will and energy to complete the defined task ‘we’ are ‘forced’ to take when the only other option is some-sort-of-surrender.

      Our choices for timing is worse v. worser!

      When governed by psychopaths and criminals and their enablers and co-dependents on their drug of choice (power) — as we were governed from daddy bush through obama and as we still have for many of our reps, senators and federal judges…

      ‘better’ sooner than later to oppose/fight ‘it’ and suppress ‘it’ for another two+ centuries or so.

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  4. Sentient says:

    Simplistic but interesting graphic:
    https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/
    The president’s approval rating in Virginia seems to be no worse than in several other states that could plausibly be expected to vote for his re-election.

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    • JonS says:

      Can’t happen

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      • Sentient says:

        That’s what they said about the Blue Wall – and then Trump won WI, OH and PA. He’s going to win at least one state that Hillary won and I think it might be VA, although NV, NH and even my own MN are also possibilities. Hopefully Dems are complacent about VA. Bill’s comment above about how there were more R votes than D votes a month ago is important data that I’d been curious about (but couldn’t find data on). Parscale and Kushner know.

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  5. L4grasshopper says:

    WRT Orh still on the payroll……in my 35+ years at the Puzzle Palace, I saw a few employees get in trouble and get put into “time out” but not fired. A couple were assigned to the loading docks, while a couple more were assigned to an office where there was no classified work being done. I have to believe Ohr is doing something way way way below his pay grade right now.

    I also have to believe he is either cooperating, or promising to cooperate, either to protect himself or his wife. No other explanation for still getting a paycheck.

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      If Ohr wasn’t cooperating, one would think he would have jumped ship like some of the other rats.

      I mean, why stay on board if you’d then be accessible to the IG? Ohr could have jumped ship several years back and been somewhere in private practice or in-house counsel. Frankly, he would have had a better chance of landing a cushy job BEFORE he got all dirtied up with this IG report.

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    • Chilidog says:

      “Cooperating”? How much more evidence do we need that no one in the deep state is cooperating to bring the coup plotters to justice. There is no reason for Ohr to “cooperate.” He is in no danger. What is his crime? Do we really expect anyone in the deep state to confess to conspiracy or treason? Or anything else for that matter? Ohr is most likely a doj lifer and he remains to protect his lucrative pension benefits. Not everyone is looking for a book deal or cnn gig.

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  6. waawash says:

    This report filters and distills the muddy media/deep state swamp water that’s been poured upon Americans. Thank God for The Conservative Tree House.

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  7. MLK says:

    Perhaps a bit off-topic but here it goes anyway.

    Here’s a few thoughts on impeachment. it really is mind-boggling the number of moving parts to consider. It really was only with the breakthrough on USMCA — Pelosi being snapped like a butter bean IMO — that we could begin to see the contours.

    Don’t discount the importance of the U.K. election results on the mood of the two sides in the U.S. Labor/Corbyn are running on almost a parody of Identity Politics/Coalition of the Fringes:

    In stark contrast to Tories/Johnson:

    The bigger the Conservatives win, the more demoralized the Left/Progressives in the Democrat Party will be. An unexpected win by Labor would, of course, further embolden them.

    Though I don’t for one minute believe that the range of outcomes in the House impeachment vote includes voting down both articles. Besides being impossible to spin as a glorious win, despite media willingness to try, I don’t think it gets them anything, even defensively, per the 2020 election.

    Their plan at this point seems to be to dump their bag of rubbish on Senate Democrats, claiming regardless of the vote count in both the House and Senate that Democrats voted to protect and defend the Constitution, and the terrible awful Republicans to be partisan in blind loyalty to the POTUS. What a plan!

    Further complicating any predictions is the prospect of a challenge to the Supreme Court of the impeachment articles before even getting to the Senate. But, first, consider the lay of the land once this gets to the Senate, assuming it does. There, under the rubric of not missing the forest for the trees, I think that McConnell and Senate Republicans will have delivered a win if all Republicans, including Human Scum Romney, vote to acquit; and having failed to deliver if not. Failure will make no end of trouble for McConnell and the UniParty re the primaries and heading into 2020.

    The entirety of the Supreme Court, not just Roberts, is desperate not to be dragged into these waters. But the Democrats seem hell-bent to put The Court on the hot seat with these two articles under this tainted process. The reason, I believe, is because at this point it fits their partisan political needs internal to the Democrat Party. The threat to Democrats is that the Supreme Court kicks impeachment back to The House and kicks resolves the other, related cases until next year.

    Senate Democrats are between a rock and a hard place because they may well have to vote to conviction/acquit on what amounts to a motion for summary judgment. That’s a big problem for a number running for reelection in 2020.

    The obstruction of Congress article is utterly problematical for the Supreme Court. If it were challenged, which I suspect it will be if passed by The House, I can’t see how the Supreme Court can uphold it for Senate trial without in effect undercutting its core role of resolving Separation of Powers disputes between the branches. I will not be at all surprised to see it voted down by the House, with the abuse of power passed. That might well be part of a deal by which the POTUS, House and Senate Republicans, do not challenge the other article ab initio to a Senate trial; with, as I said above, a rocket trial which is really a synthetic summary judgment, with all Republicans voting to acquit and at least a few Democrats doing so as well. In this scenario, the Supreme Court would get to stay mostly clear of the partisan morass by not having to hear and rule on the actual articles. In return it would have to rule in favor of the POTUS on the three subpoena cases or kick them until well into next year. The latter being more likely, at least in part.

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    • IGiveUp says:

      Good stuff on the court. I’d add that Roberts’ FISA court was criminally deceived(. So far nothing but crickets from him.

      (Someone cynical might even wonder whether the FISA court wasn’t complicit.)

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      • gary says:

        contreras.

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      • Zy says:

        Roberts might be compromised but the very “monitoring” he supposedly oversees.

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      • MLK says:

        Good Call, the FISC is another moving part of astounding import!

        Once again, the one man wrecking ball Peter Strzok is the responsible for unwittingly peeling back the curtain by bragging to the lovely Lisa Page about his friendship with the FISA judge.

        I’ve mentioned it before — there simply is no way for the FBI to satisfactorily explain how that Knucklehead rose so high in the organization. From an institutional standpoint that is as big a problem as the CIA, Obama, and the Senate, have explaining how in the world psychopath Brennan was ever able to become Homeland Security Advisor, let alone CIA Director.

        We’re a serious country. We ain’t supposed to end up with dangerous knuckleheads and Beria-like filth in important positions where they can do so much damage to the national interest and important institutions.

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        • IGiveUp says:

          I believe covfeffe here has made connections which indicate that Strozk was CIA working in FBI. That might help explain how/why he rose so high.

          While I’m at it, I’m still wondering why Carter Page revealing that he works for the CIA makes him a good guy, and why we should care that an illegal FISA warrant was given on him. If he works for CIA then he knows that it goes around the law. Yet some are hoping–even Senator Graham, that Page sues the US govt and that we the taxpayers give him millions of dollars for his trouble.

          Is Page a double agent posing as just a regular guy victimized by the Deep State while simultaneously working for the Deep State? Or was his involvement in the Trump campaign purely coincidental?

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          • MLK says:

            I agree with your wariness toward Page. Indeed, I applied that throughout to everyone other than Trump.

            I think it’s important to remember how Page came to be associated with Trump. It was one of those numerous bright ideas that popped up and just happened that didn’t make any sense to me at the time. What I’m referring to was the idea in the summer of 2016, that candidate Trump needed to put forth his foreign policy team. If that was a conceptually reasonable idea, how did it make any sense to have nobodies like Page and Papadopoulos at the table?

            In the case of Page, regardless of how he ended up associated with the Trump campaign, rather obviously he was viewed by both CIA and FBI as an informant. When the malefactors in the FBI got desperate they decided they needed him to be a patsy. He’s always struck me as a knucklehead, not to overuse the term. If I were involved in these malefactions, and now knowing the available options, he’d be top of the list as to who was going to be the patsy.

            So, I’m with you on Page. Though I think Papadopoulos has proved he just got the short end of the stick. Despite being Mr. Swamp, Manafort deserves the nation’s thanks for not breaking and fabricating the means they needed to bring Trump down. As genuinely bizarre as it seems to write it, I think Manafort comes out of this as a truly heroic figure, though he definitely didn’t start out this saga that way.

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          • islandpalmtrees says:

            This is only my speculation. But the known facts seem to fit together.

            There is perhaps something that needs to be understood, Peter Srozk was a legal double agent he was both CIA and FBI at the same time.

            If there is any doubt in your minds about this then check the CIA website the position actually exist.

            This put Peter Srozk in a very unique position he was not only according to the recently released FISA report controlling crossfire hurricane. He apparently was able to do it directly since he was CIA or should I say with the CIA had on.

            So the question for me is who else besides Brennan, Comey and Peter Srozk were involved. According to the law, the CIA had to keep the Gang Of Eight informed.

            So this means to me that the Gang Of Eight must’ve known a great deal more related to the FISA warrant on Carter Page

            It seems likely, that the Gang Of Eight less one, knew that Carter page was a CIA plant and that Comey and Brennan were using Peter Srozk as a bridge, to coordinate this coup.

            I think it likely, that Carter Page and Eric were being handled by Peter Srozk.

            I also understand, that Peter Srozk, was a friend, of one of the Judges of the FISC court. Maybe this friendship with this kind of person, was more than it appears?

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      • Beau Geste says:

        The crooked “where do we sign to get 2-hop political spying from CIA-plant carter page to the GOP Presidential Candidate” FISC was not deceived. They were complicit. The FISC thought hillary would win, and was helping. The FISC didn’t limit the crazy “2-hop” spy dance to exclude GOP candidates. The FISC did not, and still has not, wothdrawn its phony warrants or disciplined the lying coup plotters who lied to the court.

        The FISC judges who completely failed in their extra heavy duty to protect the Constitutional rights of unnamed US Citizens should be removed. An independent Public Defender Office needs to be created with authority to cross examine DOJ/FBI oath-swearers, move for discipline of malfeasnce and misfeasance before the FISC, and notify the Office of the President, the Supreme Court, and Congress of bad behavior of the FISC.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        Or, someone who is objective would recognize the “where-do-we-sign” super-duper-secret FISC completely failed to protect even a GOP Presidential candidate from illegal political spying. That the FISC has not withdrawn its fraudulently-issued Presidential spy warrant, and kept extending it despite no evidence, and has failed to discipline the DOJ/FBI lawyers and oath-swearers, demonstrates complicity,. The failed judges need to be replaced, and an independent Public Defender Office needs to be established.

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    • Elle says:

      Love this site … great! comments. I may be unworthy to post here given all the heavyweights, but…..
      MLK great post.

      Regarding them burning the vulnerable Dems forced to vote, I think the leaders don’t give a $:&! about them. If they don’t stop Trump NOW the very people forcing the fatal vote are completely screwed. if they don’t get Trump out it doesn’t matter if they lose the house. They KNOW Trump will be re-elected. They intend to use other means to accomplish the goal.

      Which leads me to the point that I hope all of you smart people will seriously consider. I can’t be the only one hearing minor chords play every time someone says the Senate will acquit as if that is a given! The margin of error is too small. I think we are getting played. Everything I see indicates that they are 100% going for broke!!! I can see them selling a BS narrative with Dems holding firm and just enough Romney’s throwing themselves in front of the bus to get a conviction. The danger is this IS their plan and why not? it’s all the’ve got! Why are we thinking these R senators, up to their elbows in corruption, are going to play nice? This really reminds me of when everyone said the Turkish generals would step in and allow us to use their airspace for the Iraq invasion. Kept hearing that talking point just like I’m hearing the “Senate will save us”. I think it’s a dangerous error to write off the senate acquittal as a given.

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      • No, some others see that. On the other hand, many in the Senate are not unaware that the 63 million who voted for TRump are only refraining from behaving like the rabid leftist mobs out of restraint.

        Should they let these criminals grow no one in the Senate will have any support from their constituents.

        VOTING will not be the limit to the response that they will receive.

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      • Battleship Wisconsin says:

        Elle says: …….. Kept hearing that talking point just like I’m hearing the “Senate will save us”. I think it’s a dangerous error to write off the senate acquittal as a given.

        Nothing is certain when conducting political warfare through lawfare means.

        On the other hand, President Trump has approval from 95% of the Main Street GOP faithful. Most Republican Senators know that the blowback from the voters who elected them will be severe if they vote to convict.

        President Trump’s team will be constantly reminding them of that fact once the articles of impeachment are on their way to the Senate.

        What is yet to be seen is how far President Trump will go in exploiting the Senate trial for his own political gain.

        I’m predicting that Trump and his defense team will turn the Senate trial into a Political Battle of Gettysburg — assuming Mitch McConnell allows it to happen this way, as opposed to quickly imposing what amounts to a summary dismissal of the charges.

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        • Both McConnell and Graham have likely profited from the deep state (e.g. Ukraine) stuff. It’s unlikely that Trump is unaware and so I wonder very strongly if the three of them are in discussions, because as the noose tightens those two are going to HAVE to cooperate with Trump or face the great possibility of his releasing the information that all too likely DUrham and Barr will be finding.

          Trump is a wild card that these two pampered bureaucrats have never encountered…and for which neither of them have the experience or the courage to combat against effectively.

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      • MLK says:

        I completely agree about the commenters here (you and me included)!

        Fearless leader here (Sundance) deserves all the credit. The POTUS should give him The Medal of Freedom after his second inauguration.

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  8. IGiveUp says:

    ” however, because she didn’t want to participate in this – Senator Dianne Feinstein abdicated her vice-chair position to Senator Mark Warner.”

    Is it because she didn’t want to participate in something illegal or because she’s smart enough to make sure nothing sticks to her? The former makes her sound virtuous–something I’m unwilling to give her the benefit of the doubt about. And if she was being virtuous, why didn’t she blow the whistle?

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  9. tav144 says:

    I dunno but I’ve been told that,

    “NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.”

    I believe that includes Mark Warner. And Bruce Ohr.

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    • Zorro says:

      Shout it!

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    • cboldt says:

      That’s one of many BS platitudes used to blow smoke up our asses.
      File it with “objective media” and “nonpartisan law enforcement.”

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      • Zippy says:

        Exactly.

        And when you vote “incorrectly” everything is done, illegally or otherwise, to nullify your vote. Think Trump and Brexit. Because of the latter not being enacted three years after it was voted for, the following also obviously applies to the UK. No surprise at all.

        Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
        Princeton University, 2014

        https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

        Excerpts:

        A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.

        Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

        In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

        …the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of “affluent” citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically-elite citizens who wield the actual influence.

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        • cboldt says:

          “The vote” is a sham. By and large, none of the people running for federal office subsrcibe to a US-first outcome, but one of managing a transition into globalism.
          The political parties have erected substantial barriers to entry, and entry is all the more difficult on account of universal suffrage.
          History being a guide, the US we kknow and love, the US of the Declaration of Independence, will eventually collapse of its own weight. Trump is a substantial setback to the schedule, and maybe we even get a few generations of relief.

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  10. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    His wife Nellie is the lady who satisfied her mid-life crisis by getting into shortwave communications, buying a HAM radio, and getting licensed to use it. We never did get a satisfactory explanation for that new hobby of hers did we?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/02/confirmed-nellie-ohr-lied-about-ham-radio-to-congress/

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  11. Jederman says:

    “So how is the DOJ going to hold Bruce Ohr accountable… when SSCI Vice-Chairman Mark Warner was doing exactly the same thing?”

    I don’t see this as a tough call, unless politics is more important than justice and the good of the American system of governance.

    So what is Barr’s dilemma? Is it how to selectively apply the law because some are politically powerful and will have to skate? If that is the case then how can he hold ANY of them accountable? Clinesmith doesn’t count.

    Barr may well “navigate” his issues with the swamp and make it to the other side, but his dilemma will be his de facto, public endorsement of the often talked about (now official) two tiered justice system in this once great country.

    Tough spot. I recommend he surround himself with an iron fist of true blue Americans with the skill and determination to meet the challenge before them and let the cards fall where they may.

    I mean seriously, the approval rating for congress is dismal. Most of us don’t give a rat’s if R senators and congress critters are in the burst radius. Let the cards fall where they may.

    There are no institutions to save. Lipstick won’t help this pig. We need to clean house. The American public, at least the informed ones, are not going to let this go.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Just my speculation

      We know from Sundance’s earlier work that Warner was protected by one or more members of the DOJ. If Bruce, knew about this arrangement then he could quickly claim the same protection by blackmailing the DOJ cabal.

      It seems, the only choice opened the Barr is to revisit Mark Warner’s case and in so doing expose the corruption in the DOJ.

      Or Barr is already on to the involvement of the Gang-Of-Eight. So in taking down the Gang-Of-Eight, Barr removes Warner’s protection and exposes Bruce.

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  12. Linda K. says:

    I looked up Adam Waldman and I found this messy little story about him.https://www.proekt.media/article/adam-waldman-eng/

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  13. I won't back down says:

    Certain folks in hearings keep wondering aloud when the gang of 8 will get another briefing but Comey was helpful in pointing out that it’s just tradition, not required

    With warner and schiff in, the answer is it may never happen again

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  14. Bogeyfree says:

    Dear AG Barr and US Attorney Durham,

    For the sake of a murdered man and for the sake of getting to the truth, please, please depose Jullian Assange before he possibly dies in prison.

    His testimony could put an end to the phony narrative that it was Russians who hacked the DNC server and fed the DNC emails to Wikileaks and could possibly aid in solving the Seth Rich murder.

    This single step is huge for transparent purposes and getting to the truth where justice for all is the fundamental guiding principle.

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    • Assange may have the same thing in place as Giuliani does. Something that can be released upon his death. Or the guy in Russia (the guy who informed after working in the white house who sought refuge in Russia) may have stuff to release.

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  15. Zippy says:

    This guy does exactly what I’ve previously suggested that a huge agency of a 4.2 thousand trillion dollar government should be able to do to determine BIAS:

    The IG **Admits** DOJ/FBI Attempted A Putsch

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=237580

    Excerpt:

    The IG report, after reading through a good part of it, states that seventeen “errors” were made by the FBI.

    May I remind you of an indisputable fact: Errors are randomly distributed.

    That is, let’s assume you intend to drive at 40mph. If you make an error you will operate your car some of the time at 38mph, and some of the time at 42mph. The errors, if they are actual errors, will be randomly distributed around the correct action. Some of the errors will place you inside the correct action and some of them will be place you outside of the correct action. Approximately an equal number of errors will fall on each side of the correct action; some will help you, some hurt, but given enough errors there should be an approximately equal number in each direction.

    If your speed, as measured at 1 minute intervals, is 40, 42, 45, 43, 41, 40, 46, 50, 42 and 45 mph that is not “error.” You are instead driving with a floor of 40mph; your intent is to drive at no slower than 40mph.

    The probability of an error is 50% in each direction. Therefore half the errors should have been to Trump’s benefit.

    However, exactly zero of them were to Trump’s benefit.

    The odds of this being random chance can be computed.

    The probability of the first error being to Trump’s detriment is 0.5 (50%.)

    Each successive “error” is also equally probable to be of either benefit or detriment. So when the second error occurs for them to both be to Trump’s detriment by random chance — that is, if it’s an actual error without motivation or bias, is 0.50 * 0.50, or 1 in 4.

    ***For seventeen “errors” to be all in the same direction is 0.5 ^ 17, or exactly 1 in 131,072.***

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    • Zippy says:

      ALL persons prosecuted as a result of an ILLEGAL operation (SpyGate) should BY LAW be released.

      IG Declares US Constitution Dead

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    • cboldt says:

      The odds of the FBi doing this accidentally (there are feedback loops involved that SHOW, so the odds at each step are only 50/50 when nobody looks) are about the same as the odds that Jefrey Dahmer accidentally drilled a hole in a victim’s head.

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      • Zippy says:

        See my reply immediately above which was intended to be a response to your post, not mine.

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      • franz dorn says:

        And, How do you accidently forge something?

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        • Beawu Geste says:

          “mistakes were made”.

          CTH posters here sometimes accidentally leave out a “not”. But this is quick and informal, and we typically correct the typo. But in a federal court filing for anything (and especially for a political spy warrant on the GOP Presidential candidate), there is an immutable obligation to formally correct the error. So, when the DOJ/FBI “accidentally forgot” to tell the FISC that carter page was a CIA and FBI agent, and instead swore he was a foreign agent, the DOJ/FBI was required to “correct” the misrepresentation.
          The FISC os obligated to withdraw the falsely obtained Warrant (so it does not “justify” wrongdoing carried out under the fraudulent Warrant), and discipline the DOJ/FBI counsel and oath-swearers. That the FISC has not done so shows them to be complicit in this scheme. The failure of the FISC to withdraw its fraudulently-obtained ” spy-on-the-President” Warrant demonstrates that this court is incompetent to protect Constitutional rights, or even the integrity of its own secret proceedings.

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        • Zippy says:

          Yep, that even FURTHER conclusively proves bias, even beyond the statistical analysis which, for reasons we can easily guess, the IG doesn’t do.

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        • Beau Geste says:

          “mistakes were made”.

          CTH posters here sometimes accidentally leave out a “not”. But this is quick and informal, and we typically correct the typo. But in a federal court filing for anything (and especially for a political spy warrant on the GOP Presidential candidate), there is an immutable obligation to formally correct the error. So, when the DOJ/FBI “accidentally forgot” to tell the FISC that carter page was a CIA and FBI agent, and instead swore he was a foreign agent, the DOJ/FBI was required to “correct” the misrepresentation.
          The FISC os obligated to withdraw the falsely obtained Warrant (so it does not “justify” wrongdoing carried out under the fraudulent Warrant), and discipline the DOJ/FBI counsel and oath-swearers. That the FISC has not done so shows them to be complicit in this scheme. The failure of the FISC to withdraw its fraudulently-obtained ” spy-on-the-President” Warrant demonstrates that this court is incompetent to protect Constitutional rights, or even the integrity of its own secret proceedings.

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          • Zippy says:

            Yep, everything submitted to the FISC after it was KNOWN that the Steele smear document (“dossier” is far too flattering) was nothing but pure, unsubstantiated BS, which includes everything submitted to the FISC after the first request is FRAUD upon that court and if EVERYONE involved in that doesn’t go to BUBBA PRISON for a long time, the Constitutional republic can be considered to be OVER since there will be no adequate deterrent to prevent the same from happening again.

            Actually, I think it’s been over for a very long time. When the ULTIMATE law enforcement agencies do not follow the law themselves, it’s over…

            LICENSED TO LIE: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice
            by Sidney Powell

            https://www.amazon.com/Licensed-Lie-Sidney-Powell/dp/1732767602/

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            • Once again recommending to find Mark LEvin’s interview with Sydney back last spring I think on “Life, Liberty and Levin”

              I think you can find it still on youtube. This was prior to her deciding to represent Flynn, but you could see that she’d already stepped away from her retirement by writing that book in response to Weismann’s horrendous malpractice as prosecutor.

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  16. Patience says:

    “Were here because of fraud; not by the President, but by the DOJ”. ~Mr. Gohmert

    JUST said as House Judiciary Impeachment Debate

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  17. Bogeyfree says:

    Questions:

    1) Would Durham need a FISA to conduct surveillance, including the 1 hop/2 hop rule on an American’s communications with a foreign contact?

    2) If yes, can the FISA also be on a Congressman or Senator, including a Gang of 8 member?

    3) Sundance – Do you think there is an active FISA being used by Durham’s team?

    4) Sundance – If yes, who do you think are the most logical names it might be targeted to to provide the biggest bang for the buck knowing 1 hop & 2 hop capability?

    If #3 is yes, IMO it would make #4 a great future thread.

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  18. Marcia says:

    I am a retired Magistrate/Attorney. In my opinion, AG Barr may be pursuing a RICO action. If that is the case, these actions are quite involved and do take time especially with a corrupt process that has been going on for over three years.

    I believe AG Barr wants to put together the best possible case because he really has only one shot at this and it will take place in DC. He has had a successful career and I don’t believe he will want to ruin it by not doing anything or putting together a sloppy case.

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    • Greg1 says:

      Makes sense. One thing about Barr that seems solid is that he’s not going to take any action without irrefutable proof. So when he acts, it’s going to be exceptionally difficult for someone, or a collection of people, to beat.

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    • :-) says:

      Q: Do you know how you can immediately tell the difference between a dead lawyer on the road versus everyday roadkill?

      A: Brake marks on the highway before the roadkill.

      🙂

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    • PinotNoir says:

      @ Marcia If RICO happens six months after the shooting starts it just doesn’t matter. Perfection is the enemy of good enough.

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    • Midnite says:

      Agreed, listen to both Nunes and Barr in their recent interviews and you’ll notice a commonality in the language they use to describe the actions of those involved. Consistent referrals not to select individuals, but to this cast of characters as a whole with a singularly defined purpose. This is especially evident with Barr’s WSJ interview, where he often uses the term “they” rather then a personal pronoun when talking about the actions taken against the President. He’s consistently lumping the diverse actions of the CIA, FBI, Intel, DOJ and State Department together as a coordinated effort to take down the President. If you ask me they man “get’s it” and I think that’s why he is cautioning us that this “process” is going to take time.

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      • mikeyboo says:

        I agree. Do we want it done fast or do we want it done right?
        I don’t think Barr is stalling. I think he realizes the enormity of this undertaking and is doing everything possible to make it right for the US.

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  19. Things we’ve been saying for three years were finally discussed in a televised Senate hearing and by an Attorney General. I find that extremely gratifying.

    It’s taking so long because Sessions assisted the Coup, either by design or by incompetence. I say design. And the fact that mutineers are still in every agency. But Barr did not go this far to punt.

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  20. Amy2 says:

    Thank you Mr. Sundance for turning down the heat on my boiling blood! Bruce Ohr continuing to get a paycheck (and his wife receiving the benefits) from MY paycheck is infuriating!

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  21. 13wasylyna says:

    ZeroHedge headline is Trump caves on China..hmmmmm?……….
    China White McConnell threatens Trump with impeachment so he is going to drop tariffs

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    • Zippy says:

      I saw that, but waiting for anything OFFICIAL on that.

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      • dd_sc says:

        ^This, because at the end of the Zerohedge article:

        Just one last thing before everyone gets carried away: the WSJ cautions that Trump still “hasn’t made a decision on whether or not to delay the scheduled new tariffs, or whether to accept a rate cut on existing tariffs.”

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  22. Talkofthetown says:

    Love this place have been here for years. Favorite night here was Trumps election night. Come here multiple times a day every day. Read all the comments. Sundance is the best in the business!!

    With that said, I get a kick out of everyone here thinking they know better than everyone else of what’s “going to happen” “How long it takes” !!!!!
    There will be indictments there won’t be.
    People called trolls for either choice.😂

    For those certain of both situations. I would love love love to see y’all come here and say hey I just bet all my retirement, my house the whole nine. On either situation.Nothing happens or mass indictments.

    If ya can’t do that. I believe people need to realize there both in the same boat. It’s frustrating. I’m sure everyone here wants indictments. Thing is no one here can say beyond a shadow of a doubt how it plays out.

    Myself some days I see it happening others I don’t. I for one would love to see indictments. Yet I’m not going to fully commit myself either way. Due to the first IG report and the continuation of NO Biased Shown.

    What I will commit myself to is what I’ve been doing Voting straight Republican straight down the list.

    Last but not least Rock ON Sundance! Good day Treepers.

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    • Mac says:

      Okay, little will happen with this whole fiasco. There, I said it. Of course, I have said it before. And, as to what I am betting, it is the same thing that the Barr “Leave Trump Alone And This Will All Go Away” factiion are betting, armed civil insurrection of it goes totally either way.

      Look, the illegal surveillance was just the tip of the iceberg. While it had been going on since 2012, to further liberal goals in Washington, it became necessary when HRC got caught in Servergate. The Clintons were the bag men for a huge amount of international bribes and corruption which directly benefited the political establishment in DC. If she went down, she would not go down alone. The “coup” against Trump, was not a well planned and executed operation, it was a series of slap dash operations designed to allow for wide spread surveillance of the trump campaign as well as to build political opposition to Trump’s election. It was necessary, because Adm. Rogers had closed the door on the FISA 702 access to NSA records. While the CIS built a foreign “intelligence” predicate to allow for the FBI to “legally” conduct extensive surveillance on the Trump Campaign, it also inserted agents into the campaign to develop real-time intelligence for political use. When the operation was unable to produce enough evidence to generate a Title 1 FISA warrant, then the conspiracy had to turn to other means. They decide to burn one of their own agents [we know this from the texts between Boris [Strzok] and Natasha [L. Page], in order to obtain the warrant. Now, we know that the only FISA warrant application which fits tht time frame is the warrant in on Carter Page. But, they still have two huge problems. The first is that Page is a longtime undercover asset used by both the CIA and the FBI and used in at least one high profile case against Russian businessmen in the US. The second is that the FISC is now seemingly more reluctant to simply rubber stamp FISA warrant requests. So, the Page/CIA/FBI connection was hidden from the court and the Steele Dossier was modified to make it seem that Page was a Russian agent and touted as verified. Likely coupled with a sympathetic FISC judge, the warrant was issued. This is chapter one of the story.

      Chapter two is the story of the actions taken, by official government agents, to remove an elected President. While the MSM prepared the populous to accept the illegal ouster of Trump, official Washington began another slap dash operation to impeach him. They began with the Russian Collusion meme, knowing that it would go nowhere legally. The more esoteric options, such as the 25th Amendment, were examined and discarded. So, knowing the level of frustration which the President was feeling, as his every action was hindered and blocked, they start building a case for obstruction. Finally, it becomes necessary for Comey to be sacrificed, or to scrifice himself, in order to generate enough reasonable suspicion to open a criminal investigation into obstruction; which McCabe does the day after Comey is fired. This investigation is then overseen by the very man who wrote the justification for firing Comey, Rod Rosenstein. The obstruction investigaton was necessary in order to get the SC appointed, as an SC can not investigate counter intelligence operations, which is what Crossfire Hurricane was. An Sc can only investigate crimes. So, the SC was established to investigate the obstruction complaint, BUT this was camouflaged using the Crossfire Hurricane CoI operation which was also transferred to the SC’s office. Everyone involved, both directly and indirectly had knowledge of the aims of the investigation and that it was wholly unwarranted.

      Chapter three is the ongoing assault on Trump. Trump goes on the offensive and, using Giuliani, begins to investigate foreign interference in the 2016 election. This leads him to Ukraine and this opens the Ukrainian/US political establishment can of corruption worms. Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg. A single actor, Hunter Biden, ties Ukrainian corruption and China corruption to the US political establishment, but also ties in the family members of other political figures. This could easily snowball into the largest and most egregious public corruption scandal in US history. And, the problem is that almost no one in DC, over the last quarter century, will be immune. So, the “Get Trump” faction is terrified and feels that it must remove Trump immediately.

      Now, we come to chapter four, the future. What happens now? If Trump is removed from office, will there be wide spread civil unrest? No one knows. If he is not removed, will the same thing occur? Again, no one knows. If the lid blows off the corruption in government scandal, what will happen? No one knows. So, a faction of the Establishment steps in. This is “The Leave Trump Alone” faction. Its purpose is to keep the lid on the boiling pot and not allow it to boil over. Trump has indicated a willingness to ignore Washington peccadilloes, if allowed to further his MAGA agenda, which is largely economic. So, enter Barr, et al. Barr’s mission is two-fold.The first is to tamp down the activities of the “Get Trump” faction, before everything blows up.The second is to find out how far reaching the “coup” attempt is and who is involve, and who can be sacrificed to reduce the level of outrage building in Middle America, without triggering too large a liberal backlash. And, that is why we have seen no significant action taken against any member of the government who was involved in this whole fiasco, even though the evidence against them is strong, and in some cases over whelming. And, to protect the establishment, it is unlikely that any significant action will be taken in the future.

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      • Han Solo says:

        Excellent analysis…I would add something that Barr said in his two interviews earlier this week. In order to prosecute, he has to collect evidence that will stand up in court while he puts the whole scheme together along with Durham. People are walking right now for the sole reason that real justice is slow…he said early spring, summer next year. My guess is that he has the picture already, but the cases are still being made through methodical, airtight collection of real evidence and flipping witnesses. Also, how he will roll it out, if he does, is still in the works. I am a bit more optimistic that something will happen, but also cautious not to expect everything we desire…at least right off the bat.

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        • Mac says:

          Don’t get your hopes up, The amount and depth of the corruption in DC is unimaginable and it touches nearly everyone there. The problem that Barr, et al, faces is the John Dean problem. If the wrong person is indicted, that person could blow the lid off the corruption in the US government. If that happened, there would be very a good chance that the People would take matter into their own hands to change the government in this country. This is a very, very dangerous situations which has been ginned up by the media.

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  23. California Joe says:

    Bruce Ohr is a window into the whole Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller debacle. He told Horowitz that he warned the FBI (Stzrok?) that Steele hated Trump and wanted him out so we know that he’s cooperating. Why run him out of DOJ? It’s a small price to pay for getting the coup plotters!

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  24. Jus wundrin says:

    The senate is just as corrupt as the DOJ, and must be held accountable. Nanzi said that no one is above the law, so be it. If these criminals escape justice, then we are what we deserve to be: less than a banana republic.

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      WE are the ones who hold the Senate and House accountable. And unfortunately if we keep voting stupidly we will continue to see these kinds of problems.

      Utah elected Romney. Wisconsin elected Ryan until he decided to leave on his own. Nebraska elected Sasse. Alabama and Arizona elected Dem Senators, which is even worse than electing RINOs because it affects majorities. These are all just off the top of my head, I’m sure I could name many more if I took the time to compile a list. And don’t get me started on the House, we gave that majority to the Dems and I’m perpetually angry about it.

      Weed out the RINOs during the primaries. Vote straight GOP in the general elections. Keep doing this every 2 years and we will see progress. Fail to do this and we will have perpetual swamp.

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      • It’s mind-boggling that voters put in Dems in the House in districts Trump won…what did they expect? We do have some really good Republicans in the House and they are all being really loyal to PDJT. But the Senate seems to be pretty much 100% corrupt. The problem is finding people to run…

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      • Yep. Trump is WAITING for us to stop checking if ‘all is clear’ before we engage.

        Now, I’m in communist California and so it’s far better to use elements like film and other genre that can distract and draw them in first before deprogramming them.

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  25. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    So now you’re going to bash Trump too?

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  26. LDave says:

    Mark Warner is up for re-election in 2020.

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  27. daylight58 says:

    I’d rather have her back in the Treasury Department than continuing her behavior in the Justice Department.
    She can’t cause as much trouble there as she would if she remained at Justice.

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  28. Johnny Dollar says:

    Bruce Ohr is a white hat in all this. Well, maybe a grey hat. Here’s why.

    From his testimony to congress:

    “So when I provided it [Steele info] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information. I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to — who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware —

    Mr. Gowdy. Did you tell the Bureau that?

    Mr. Ohr. Oh, yes. Mr. Gowdy. Why did you tell the Bureau that?

    Mr. Ohr. I wanted them to be aware of any possible bias or, you know, as they evaluate the information, they need to know the circumstances.

    Mr. Gowdy. So you specifically told the Bureau that the information you were passing on came from someone who was employed by the DNC, albeit in a somewhat triangulated way?

    Mr. Ohr. I don’t believe I used — I didn’t know they were employed by the DNC, but I certainly said, yes, that — that they were working for — you know, they were somehow working associated with the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Gowdy. And, again, you thought it was important to tell the Bureau that for bias —

    Mr. Ohr. Yes. Mr. Gowdy. — motive, interest in the outcome, all of the reasons that you have to produce ore about this topic

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/transcript-of-bruce-ohrs-private-testimony-to-house-task-force-released

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  29. PinotNoir says:

    After a few years on a small branch this is the first article I have entirely disagreed with. Indict Ohr. Let the b@stards on the SSCI know they are not above the law. These “powerful politicians” are the wizard of OZ. Yank back the curtain and you have a grifter who wound up in the wrong place. Warner is as dirty as they come.

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  30. Yadent says:

    Lieu’s pick must be true. It’s sourced from the Washington Post, a most trustworthy news site…….I’ll wait till it’s officially announced before going into delirium.

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    • Sporty says:

      Dude you’re just speculating like anyone else so just chill. Get your own website.

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      • yadent says:

        I’m going to feed into your posting one last time. Have you EVER been involved in ANY legal circumstances within the criminal justice system? Do you have any clue as to how long some of these cases take to build then prosecute, not to mention the level of political power and money involved here, the likes of which the ordinary citizen can’t comprehend? I have. Currently have family involved in a nearly 5 year old case that includes home invasion, assault, and robbery. Justice has been served on some of the principals but not on the monied ‘master minds’. My previous occupation provided interactions with individuals who avoided justice for YEARS while their cases were being built then meander thru the courts.

        Justice is sometimes slow/nonexistent , especially where influence and money are heavily involved. This may/may-not be resolved to your satisfaction. The question becomes, What are YOU prepared and WILLING to do if it’s not??? And simply posting snarky remarks behind the safety of a computer screen does not count………..

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        • Yeah I’m done hearing that whole “it just takes time” nonsense. I understand it take time, it’s just that NOTHING has ACTUALLY BEEN DONE! What do you not understand about that? Now stfu. Seriously. I’m tired of all these alerts from mfs on here who can’t even see what I’m trying to say.

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          • boogywstew says:

            “yadent” takes time out of their day to reach out to you and you tell them to “stfu”? What a brave soul you are … a regular keyboard commando!

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            • boogywstew says:

              The “glass half empty/glass half full” analogy is completely lost to you? I feel as you do occasionally but I don’t bring it here. You are giving in to your anger and it shows. Some people bashing you are Treepers coming to the defense of other Treepers who are more reticent. There are folks here who bash me on a regular basis and though I don’t agree with them I can appreciate their wit. What’s with the “stfu” … can’t you do better than that? When you comment here it is everyone’s business.

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          • Linda K. says:

            Define mf, no abbreviations please. Is that you Talib?

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      • boogywstew says:

        “don’t trustbarr” shows what happens when your parents read to you every night from “The Little Engine That COULDN’T”.

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        • 4gypsybreeze says:

          Boogywstew…also shows that smarty pants-knows everything DTB didn’t even read the guidelines for posting. I am seeing so many insults to fellow treepers from him that it is time for us to bring to attention to Ad Rem. We definitely need a clean up

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          • boogywstew says:

            If DTB is booted off here he’ll have more time to get his dentures adjusted. Someone routinely telling others to “stfu” can’t have all their own front teeth!

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            • Yadent says:

              DTB has the markings of an intellectual punk. I dealt with many as an California state employee. The usage of terms such as ‘stfu’ just exposes them as a lightweight within the arena of ideas in spite of their self appointed intellectualism. DTB amuses me……

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    • yadent says:

      Well, then I guess delirium is the next course of action as there appears to be ABSOLUTELY no hope. Hope you have either a viable escape plan or a course of ACTUAL action to correct this obvious affront to the republic.

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  31. Sherri Young says:

    Oh my goodness, Matt Gaetz just nailed Hunter Biden and gave a recitation of Hunter’s crack cocaine issues.

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  32. Jimmy R says:

    Ridiculous arguments upthread about whether Barr will seek to indict the crime ring of coupsters. “Yes, he will!” “No, he won’t!”

    The answer is that no one has the slightest basis for prediction. On the one hand, no one has ever cleaned up the swamp before or indicted scores of members of a crime ring infesting the federal government. So, it would be a black swan event. On the other hand, Barr and Durham would be warranted by evidence and justice to seek these indictments, and there is no good evidence one way or another that they are swamp or cowards.

    No one has a clue whether Barr/Durham will seek indictments. It is therefore 50-50.

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    • What is telling is how effective the socialist repression has been on these naysayers. LEss than a century ago people fought back and there was not a relentless surrender to the smothering/strangling bureaucracy.

      You take out God and replace it with interests that almost laughably resemble the worst case scenario in ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’ (where Bedford Falls turns into the evil and sordid Potterville), and you get people with a default to pessimism and fatalism.

      Logic dictates that you are absolutely right. What is more there was a 100% certainty we were pummeled with that Hillary would win.

      …Clearly it worked, as Hillary is more than half believing that she DID win, courtesy of a media narrative that has pervaded every venue of conversation and influence.

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  33. Spooky says:

    Sorry but I am not buying the “gee it’s complicated so lets just wait and trust Barr some more” line.
    I don’t see any rational connection between what Mark Warner did and firing Bruce Ohr. If Ohr can’t be fired then the Deep State really is unassailable, Barr is a phony and Trump is doomed as are the rest of us. Stop trusting the plan when you don’t even have evidence that there is as plan.

    JUST REMEMBER – NO ONE HAS BEEN INDICTED AND NONE OF THE CLASSIFIED DOC’S HAVE BEEN DECLASSIFIED BY BARR.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      At least we should get some pictures of the hot blond “Azura Turk” that Papadoc described as having lots of prominent “curves” . Are her “curves” classified for national security purposes? If we see them (with her face photoshopped out for security purposes), would we immediately be under attack from the Russians?
      And, why aren’t even the “consensual” recordings of Papadoc made public? Papadoc would approve it! If these open public “consensual” recordings, what possible reason could there be for withholding them ?

      I have always thought it should “consentual”

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      • TreeClimber says:

        ??? Advocating for porn on the Treehouse??

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        • Right?

          In the middle of Advent yet, a season which Sundance clearly observes.

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        • Beau Geste says:

          Treeclimber, no porn, just “curves” as an audit to see how our tax dollars are being efficiently spent.
          And since, according to bumbling IG closseau-horowitz, this was a proposed “consensual relationship” rather than “consentual” one-way recording, papadoc ought be able to approve a one-way “consensual” release of all his recordings.

          Completely off topic, but assuming communist-votong john brennan still has his security clearance(?), IG clouseau-horowitz and his merry band of 400 questioners must have subject brennan to thorough, extensive questioning, eh what?

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    • mostlyogauge says:

      How do you know no one has been indicted? Grand Jury indictments are secret and sealed until served.

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  34. rayvandune says:

    Barr strikes me as relatively unflappable and aware of his duty to his position by avoiding even acknowledging his critics. But now Holder has made it personal. By impugning his integrity and competence (and now Durham’s) Obama’s “Wingman”, Eric Holder has probably stepped on the tail of a sleeping Doberman.

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  35. Brenrod says:

    Actually it’s not complicated at all as all senate intelligence committee members are guilty of sedition and treason and should be brought to a military Trial as a result. Any investigators that avoid those charges become implicated in the same sedition and treason by covering it up. As citizens we must demand that they be arrested and tried for sedition and treason. It also becomes clear that Schiff Nadler, and Pelosi are engaged in covering up the same sedition and treason by creating this fake impeachment as a distraction. They must also be arrested for Sedition and treason. I wish Trump would exert his executive authority and have them arrested.
    On top of this it has now been admitted by Horowitz that Carter page was an intelligence agent working for the USA and since we know that Carter page testified on behalf of the DOJ-FBI in 2016 it is now completely proven that the CIA-DOJ-FBI Intentionally engaged in a coup d’etat on a sitting president.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      And the FISC helped them. The FISC still has not withdrawn its phony “political spy on the President Warrant” by a crooked, deceitful “2-hop to violate the Constitutional rights of thoudands of unknown, innocent US Citizens”.

      This crooked, secret Star Chamber court, that was forced to admit massive illegality by Admiral Rogers, needs to be replaced, and monitored. The judges should be investigated for denial of civil rights under color of law.

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  36. Is there some naivete here? Is it understood that Soros, Rothschilds and names that have been lurking around deep state for nearly a century are among those who we need to take down? They have been masterful at protecting themselves for DECADES. Soros is merely one example. A man who is an actual wanted criminal in three other countries is allowed to interfere with our elections and economy.

    To take someone like him (with Gates, Buffet, whatever Vanderbilts, Rockefellers and others also are simillarly embedded) down requires PRECISION work.

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  37. RobD says:

    How many of you knew the Feds were investigation a college admissions scandal before the story broke? I didn’t and when the story broke my wife and I were thinking “Holy Cow!!” But we weren’t necessarily surprised given the types of individuals involved in the bribery and money laundering scandal to get their kids into the elite colleges. But we didn’t know the investigation was happening or who was being investigated.

    My understanding the investigation was ongoing for over a year once Rick Singer was busted and became a cooperating witness outing all the high profile individuals involved. Do you think if the Feds reported they busted Singer and were investigating who was involved with him, they would have arrested over 50 individuals a year later? I’m thinking not! The Feds investigated, got all the documents they needed, found the evidence of money laundering, bribery, etc, and then dropped the MOAB. And now we’ve seen plea deals, convictions, fines, jail time, etc.

    The point is this scandal, and it involves more than just spying, is massive and details of those involved and potentially involved is only known to the extent of what has been reported. None of us have all the details! None of us know exactly who is/was involved, how everything is connected, how or why, specifically, it started! We don’t! Sundance does a really good job tying a lot of stuff together, but even Sundance doesn’t know everything. But we know Durham is investigating and Barr directed him to extend his investigation into the events post election.

    This investigation is HUGE!!! And as Rush said, it involves some of the most powerful people in the world. Durham and Barr will have to have ALL of the facts to convict beyond a reasonable doubt to bring down these forces that targeted POTUS, his family, his administration, and US. And what has been reported in the media is not enough to bring down the “DC house of corruption”. Indicting McCabe and others now is a complete waste of time. Others (the big fish) will start covering their tracks by any means necessary. Indicting McCabe now for lying DOES NOT undo the years of corruption in DC across all three branches of government.

    I can go on and on, but I will leave with this: I am going to trust that Barr and Durham are going to do the right thing until they give me a reason not to. As of today, they have not given me a reason to NOT trust them that they are going to indict and convict every single one of these bastards. I and none of you know what they know. They are going to keep this close to the vest, no leaks, nada. When the time comes, they’ll drop their MOAB!

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    • EXACTLY. It is incomprehensible to me how so many think that they have the inside track on how matters will unfold regarding a situation, that is only slightly less historic and precarious, than that with which our founders were confronted when they chose to go up against King George and a mammoth military.

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    • JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

      Sundance has apprised us of sufficent background information to consider “caution” to be a decent posture with regard to Bill Barr.
      OTOH, Barr seems to old school wherein the the announcement of indictements is the first tell. Maybe some folks have gotten used to the “slander first, ask questions later” approach of the CrazyCrats and want to see the same approach with this set of criminals.
      I’m happy in Camp Wait And See.

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      • I also am happy. Being a revert to my faith, I remember learning how the apostles had to realize that Christ coming again did NOT mean he’d be back next week! 🙂

        WE live in a time of immediate gratification, deliberately inserted so that emotions could get the better of us and hasten this diabolical trend toward frustration, despair and surrender.

        HOPE.

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    • Sherri Young says:

      McCabe needs to be indicted anyway. Other than that, I agree – bigly.

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      • RobD says:

        I’m sure McCabe will be and I hope so. 🙂 Now is just not the right time. I have a feeling several bad actors would like to be indicted now, so they get the opportunity corrupt/spin the narrative enough to negatively impact the outcomes of the investigations into them and, potentially, future investigations into others. Rather than get tried against the facts, they’re now getting tried against the public court of opinion. And with their lawfare defense attorneys, these bastards are smart enough to set that trap. Best to wait until all the facts are gathered, so the only play for any defense attorney has is to tell their client to take the plea deal. McCabe with his lawfare defense attorney will beat a perjury wrap.

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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      Rob, I agree. This is a fight. This is a battle. To drain the Swamp. They are not going to go willingly. Barr and Durham are the next phase of this battle. And as President Trump says time and again…..you don’t announce your plans to the enemy.

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  38. FPCHmom says:

    I, for one, am getting tired of one person hijacking the comment threads at this place.

    This is a very interesting post that includes 12 pages of Mark Warner’s emails discussing his (and Senator Burr’s) efforts to influence testimony and witnesses in their effort to remove PDJT.

    Barr finally taking action to remove two problem people from the DOJ opens up the possibility that these senators and congress people who were part of the coup might actually get exposed for their actions.

    AG Barr’s comments about the IG report and how he is navigating the complex terrain of the coup is a positive indication that he is serious about his job.

    But instead of discussing this development in a civil manner, one person has managed to turn the place into a shouting match.

    In the old days, this person would be considered a troll. I guess the new term is ROLCON.

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    • Troll still works,as does ROLCON, if that stands for relentlessly overbearing loudmouth’s comments overtly narcissist?.

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      • Yadent says:

        You know you’re dealing with a troll/ROLCON when one is told to stfu.

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        • Linda K. says:

          Time to ask yourself why that might be.

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          • yadent says:

            Could be DTB is alright. Long time CTH participant (different name of course….), sports some ‘special’ ink, wears a red hat, and has affirmation from their boss of ‘conservative’ credentials. Might just be that they just need some polishing up with their communication skills, especially the art of persuasion. Although the usage of terms such as ‘stfu’ and ‘mfs’ indicates more than mere polishing may be required………….

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            • I didn’t call dtb a leftist.
              “ROLCON, if that stands for relentlessly overbearing loudmouth’s comments overtly narcissist”

              and ‘laughing so hard’ is also a dead giveaway. When they have nothing for rebuttal trolls (be they of left or some other derivation) always claim to be ‘laughing’ when their entire profile exposes a humorless and defensive personae.

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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      FPCHMom unfortunately with Sundance gaining in popularity, this is the price periodically we pay for the popularity. Thankfully Sundance does have guidelines for posting and behavior. It usually doesn’t take long to weed out the trolls, rolcon ….but it can be annoying.
      I have been reading Sundance for years now. There have been times when even I, who really very seldom posts…gets tired of the antics of those trolls, ROLCON, ShariaBlue types and step in and ask for Ad Rem to step in.
      But other than those obnoxious types, still THE best place/source for information!

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    • gda53 says:

      I already pointed out the same troll vomit on another thread, but for some reason Ad Rem seems willing to tolerate the smell and annoyance.

      It’s been a busy week. Troll crushers gotta sleep sometimes I guess.

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  39. Andy Krause says:

    A guy’s got to make a living.

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  40. Is it just me or does it seem like one person who has 99.999% negative comments on the posts of nearly everyone else is hogging all the air time?

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  41. Everett Miller says:

    Bruce Ohr is a pivotal character by all accounts, and, as such, keeping him in place while having him”turned” could be a brilliant play by AG Barr– when (if he is actually going to do so) he drops the indictiments, Ohr and his wife may be singing like songbirds to save their seditious necks, thereby helping Barr lock up main High Level Conspirators from the Dept of Justice, FBI, State Department, Obama White House, Intelligence Community. These 2 people (conveniently married for this discussion) have hooks both upstream and downstream tying to all these entities and criminals. Waiting for Godot may just be worth it when the hammer drops.
    It’s one really good explanation why Ohr is still employed.
    It’s also a straw to grasp while hoping that The Rule of Law can still be salvaged.
    Pray for Donald J Trump to continue to have the God-given strength to withstand the whirlwind of satanic attacks 24/7 and for his and his family’s physical safety.

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  42. OmegaManBlue says:

    Warner is up for reelection in 2020.

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  43. TreeClimber says:

    Sundance already explained this in another post. One doesn’t get rid of federal employees, one moves them to where they can cause less damage. You really think Sec Mnuchin is going to let her get away with crap?

    Here on the Treehouse, we refer to him as the President, abbreviated or not. You’ve just tipped your hand. #ROLCON

    (Further worth noting, the ROLCON is attacking Barr. I’ll take this as mildly hopeful sign.)

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  44. I was listening to John Carlson talk show on KVI up here in WA State and a Liberal caller phoned in this morning. The caller stated that he listened to 7 hrs of the Senate questioning Horowitz yesterday and he WAS STUNNED when he found out that Bruce Ohr had a Wife that worked for Fusion GPS. He said this is the biggest political scandal that he’s ever seen.

    I called in and spoke with Carlson’s producer and asked him if they record these calls, and if so, this guy’s phone call in should be played over and over for the next week. People are waking up to what we’ve all have known for the last 3 yrs and read about here @The CTH 🙂

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  45. JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

    Ya’ll gotta see this!!!

    THIS is how you fight the scummy CrazyCrats! Shove their filth right in their filthy faces!!

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  46. rvsueandcrew says:

    It is evident that this thread is being dominated by a person (or entity) who wants to tear us down. Don’t engage!

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  47. California Joe says:

    Best to let AG Barr and Durham get the low hanging fruit like McCabe, Stzrok and Page as well as Samantha Power before working up to Brennan, Clapper and Susan Rice. The likes of Warner can wait until the end.

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  48. MustangBlues says:

    This thread has been hijacked by trolls, self-hating types, who spew vitriol at other posters, and for someone reason can continuously post new comments over and over.

    This a pitiful waste of this blog, and do not understand why there is not a posting limit on posters; really, 50 or more comments by one poster in a single thread???? Good Grief.

    Now have a list of poster nutcases, and improving my scroll speed. Bye.

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  49. For those of you who wonder why negative pessimism is rebuffed, it’s because 99.9% of the web is filled with this stuff.

    Sundance has created a site with cogent and educational updates, respectful of the intelligence of his audience and aware that ‘facts’ can change.

    Since the negative commenters have the tendency to be defensive, combative AND condescending, as well as implying that their future predictions are SOLIDLY impervious to any change of circumstance, they are generally regarded as trolls and not serious and substantive contributors.

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    • rcogburn says:

      SD’s tireless work has also created a Treeper community of fellow travelers that is the best on the web: intelligent; insightful; thoughtful; funny; generous with news and information; wildly opinionated; eager to debate and discuss; always supportive of SD’s work and respectful of each other’s point of view.

      Sure, we have our Eeyores and our Polyannas, and that’s part of what makes the Treeper community here lively and relevant. Plus, Eeyore and Polyanna can be the same poster, depending on the news of the day (we’ve all been there).

      Trolls have that condescending tone, make sweeping statements; refuse to discuss or cite sources; repeat themselves ad nauseum; and make personal attacks. Around here, they stick out like sore thumbs.

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  50. TarsTarkas says:

    On a small website (sports-related) whose blog I frequent there is a ‘lock thread function’. that is used when the comments get too abusive (they’re rarely political in nature). Considering the trend of some of the conversations here which are starting to approach the abusiveness I see on Vox, Federalist, and other sites, it might be a good time to use it.

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    • I think I remember in the distant past that a moderator got rid of many posts that had gone south.

      It seems that the moment of awareness has recently arrived and I’ve seen new more on topic posts.

      🙂

      Nothing drives them off like being ignored. Snowflakes, as we know, melt away fairly quickly upon being exposed to sunlight. 🙂

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    • I too have noticed that the comments on The Federalist and on AmericanThinker are nowhere near the level of interest/discourse/factual/relevance that they once were.

      We tolerate all opinions here, but it becomes quickly annoying when one or a couple of commenters need to REPEAT their opinions, over and over and over again. This entire page has been wasted.

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