IG Horowitz Senate Testimony on FBI FISA Abuse During Election – 10:00am ET Livestream…

The Senate Committee on the Judiciary hearing entitled “Examining the Inspector General’s Report on Alleged Abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act” will be held today at 10:00am Eastern.

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1,794 Responses to IG Horowitz Senate Testimony on FBI FISA Abuse During Election – 10:00am ET Livestream…

  1. islandpalmtrees says:

    I am back to saying declassify! This kind of corruption will continue without it! These people now saying just how great the FISA process is.

    Liked by 2 people

    • boogywstew says:

      I would be singing the praises of the FISA process if the people that lied and judges who didn’t do their job would be severely punished. There are laws and penalties that are simply not being applied. If people routinely ran red lights and cops and judges did nothing, my solution would be jail for these cops and judges. I wouldn’t dismantle the red lights and install crossing guards. It’s like many similar problems … LAWS ARE BEING IGNORED … PENALTIES ARE NOT BEING APPLIED. Are all these FBI – CIA – Federal and State judges covered by a union??? That would explain a lot.

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  2. jeans2nd says:

    Tucker Carlson should enjoy this one

    may i have a Tucker Eric Wemple mug now?

    Liked by 3 people

  3. Patience says:

    Was Carter Page ever charged with anything: with a court date?

    Liked by 1 person

    • Justin Green says:

      No. Carter Page wasn’t charged with anything.

      Liked by 1 person

    • ezpz2 says:

      No, he was not charged, which makes me think all the more that he was assigned to the Trump Campaign by the CIA.

      Something about the whole CP thing has felt and continues to feel off.

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      • Zippy says:

        Not so much since, as we now know, the CIA sent both an email and hard copy to the FBI stating that Page had served as a CIA asset, that this explained his Russian contacts and, as a result, he shouldn’t be considered to be a Russian agent. As we also now know, that email was altered to remove that exculpatory evidence.

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        • ezpz2 says:

          Yes, but the basic question about Carter Page, at least for me, is:

          Why was a CIA agent/asset even working in the Trump Campaign as a volunteer in the first place?Who assigned him there? Was he freelancing? Did someone from the campaign recruit him, and if so, who and for what purpose?

          Not expecting you to answer these questions, but that they remain unanswered is more than a little curious to me.

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          • Beau Geste says:

            Another one of the questions that Inspector clouseau-horowitz and his 400-investigator staff didn’t ask.
            “Say, doesn’t it show illegal bias to delete evidence from the CIA, and then swear to a federal court that carter page is a foreign spy”?
            Why didn’t Inspector clouseau-horowitz ask carter page in for a chat? Carter was perfectly willing, and even volunteered, but Inspector clouseau-horowitz refused.
            “Carter, why did you try to join the GOP campaign? Did you discuss it with anyone? who was your direct or indirect contacts at the FBI, CIA, and any other Government agency, over the past 20-30 years? What have your assignments been? Did you make any reports to anyone?”

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  4. Jerry Hodge says:

    Maybe I have overlooked it, but has Sundance commented on whether and how many classified documents on his wish list been released as part of the OIG Report?

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  5. Justin Green says:

    Really telling that Horowitz can’t possibly imagine any information existing that could contradict his conclusion that this was properly predicated, lol.

    What a shill.

    Liked by 2 people

    • FPCHmom says:

      Barr will have to prove that is was opened using faulty info, which it was.

      But according to the virtually non-existent guidelines for opening these FBI investigations, any reason, however preposterous, is okay as long as you fill out the forms correctly and notify the boss after the fact.

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  6. strateshooter says:

    I have just lost all links to this hearing ?

    Are YouTube censoring ??

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  7. LULU says:

    Worthwhile read from Jonathan Turley:

    Horowitz report is damning for the FBI and unsettling for the rest of us

    The analysis of the report by Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz greatly depends, as is often the case, on which cable news channel you watch. Indeed, many people might be excused for concluding that Horowitz spent 476 pages to primarily conclude one thing, which is that the Justice Department acted within its guidelines in starting its investigation into the 2016 campaign of President Trump.

    Horowitz did say that the original decision to investigate was within the discretionary standard of the Justice Department. That standard for the predication of an investigation is low, simply requiring “articulable facts.” He said that, since this is a low discretionary standard, he cannot say it was inappropriate to start. United States Attorney John Durham, who is heading the parallel investigation at the Justice Department, took the unusual step to issue a statement that he did not believe the evidence supported that conclusion at the very beginning of the investigation.

    More here:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/473709-horowitz-report-is-damning-for-the-fbi-and-unsettling-for-the-rest-of-us

    Liked by 7 people

    • 6x47 says:

      Key point: The FBI was OK to open the investigation based on the sketchiest of rumors.

      It was WRONG to not close the investigation after the preliminary inquiry found not only no basis for the sketchy rumors, but direct exculpatory evidence disproving the allegations. Oh – and not providing a defensive briefing to the Trump campaign about suspected Russian infiltration attempts.

      And it was even “wronger” to expand the investigation after it knew it was without merit, and knowingly submit false information to the FISA court to get warrants and renewals.

      But other than that – everything was on the up and up. Which is to say, NOTHING about this was on the up and up.

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      • WRB says:

        and beyond knowingly submit false information, to doctor evidence to change its meaning from exculpatory to accusatory. i.e. Clinesmith editing an e-mail from the CIA to change it from “carter page is a source” to “carter page is not a source”.

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        • mushr45m says:

          And…it’s only the POTUS, so the absolute minimum standard is understandable.
          And…since its OMB POTUS, let’s go ahead and impeach him on inuendo and hearsay.
          Makes sense.

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    • ann says:

      Good to see journalists pushing beyond the accepted “purview”, and questioning the
      pre fab predicate of Russia.

      Why have no AG’s called for IG report, given the highly disturbing content revealed in FISC Judges Collyer & Boasberg(?) DoJ compliance reviews?

      I had not known IG’s were hired from & part of their deptments. Or that their investigatory authority was handcuffed, no subpoena outside their department, only current employees or voluntary discretionary interviews. That their scope was delineated by the AG.

      This prevents whole systems analysis, in other words an authentic capture of the dynamic functional drivers : intraagency, task forces, JD -State,-presidential staff- that intersectional post Rice held- Nat Sec Director or something.

      This unwise fusion of power is masked behind an antiquated construct, that we have a government which is functioning as a controlled, responsive, & rational mode.

      accountability for USAID for example, how, where & who are the decision makers & policy crafters? Discretionary? Doesn’t appear to be, Congress, DoD, NSC & State all behave as if each is vested w immutable prerogatives. That’s not good,

      I’d questioned if Barr even had control over his DJ.
      Now I’m sceptical that any are under control, compliant & responsive,

      This has merged into a Blob, while it is presented as 3 separate branches, etc. & a reasoned directed org that respects limited authority and has internal integrity, ie separate fire walled divisions .

      Sorry for the length. These thoughts emerged from watching this debacle play out.

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  8. bullnuke says:

    Liberals sure do mention Wray a lot of times. They love him. Says a lot.

    Liked by 8 people

  9. Justin Green says:

    OMG!! More Muh Rusha DNC hack!!

    The one the FBI never verified.

    Liked by 2 people

  10. bullnuke says:

    They still don’t get the joke about Hey Russia, if you can find the emails,,,

    Liked by 3 people

    • Coast says:

      Oh I think they get it….its just that they are masters at SPIN….and liberals eat it like candy.

      Liked by 3 people

    • dd_sc says:

      It’s a corollary of the Mamet Principle – the liberals (Uniparty in general) have to pretend not to get the joke.

      Liked by 2 people

      • ann says:

        Also pretend her bleached emails are actually gone. Far too much dirt, international , they cannot cope with the idea of daylighting the reality. That’s why no one says the obvious: “but the NSA has everything, and likely 4 or 6 other countries.”
        In my opinion.
        . “If you want to tell a lie, tell a big one, and don’t vary.” That’s Ol Hillary. And the stale “Blame Russia” offload. Typical of her confabulations.

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    • 6x47 says:

      Perhaps they should consider Russian hacking is precisely the reason why we don’t conduct official business and store classified information on a SERVER IN THE BATHROOM.

      Liked by 2 people

      • ann says:

        Also why we have a Bureau and 17 other agencies! .
        Yes Six,
        One would think with all that funding, someone would detect Awan Paki House , or keep a wary eye on Ol Crooked , to detect PROMPTLY and prevent such breaches.

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  11. jeans2nd says:

    Good grief, the Socialist democrats just cannot stop trying to win the 2016 election.
    These people are sick. Truly sick.
    smh

    Liked by 4 people

    • TarsTarkas says:

      They want to do-over the 2016 election because that way they can undo MAGA because it was all instituted under an illegal president.

      Like

  12. Reserved55 says:

    Bureaucrats are the problem, Sassy.

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  13. MNBV says:

    But Horo already told us there was / is no DoJ FBI bias. As I told you he would.
    No need for him to waste time “testifying”, we know what Horo’s bias is and what he’s trying to protect.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      No he did not say there “was no bias”. That statement is is an abbreviation, incomplete and totally misleading. You have not read his actual words. Posters, here on CTH, have already commented on two key points related to this topic.
      1. Horowitz said none of the people he interviewed said there was bias. Duh, he interviewed coup members, were they going to admit bias.
      2. Horowitz stated he found no evidence of instructions calling for bias. Another big duh, as if the coup plotters were going to leave a set instructions calling for bias.

      The IG investigates and says what he found. Its up to the AG to act on all the information in the report.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Newpapa says:

      Horowitz admits that a DOJ lawyer created a fraudulent document that he then submitted as evidence to justify the renewal of a FISA warrant.

      The fact that a person involved in the investigation is willing to commit a crime and risk suffering the potential consequences in order to extend their investigation is clear evidence of bias.

      Liked by 1 person

  14. Reserved55 says:

    Russia did not hack the DNC.

    Liked by 4 people

  15. Jim Comey is a weasel_Doug says:

    My Congressman is having a town hall this Saturday. He’s a Demonrat that used DNC Russian propaganda to smear my congressman and win with ballot harvesting.
    I’ve made a reservation and plan to attend. Just not sure what my sign will say…suggestions??

    Liked by 4 people

  16. Troublemaker10 says:

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  17. Reserved55 says:

    The DNC The CI hacked our election.

    Liked by 2 people

    • cboldt says:

      Exactly. Our own government did way more, a thousand times more election meddling than Russia or Ukraine did. Between non-stoip news stories based on leaks of “Russian collusion,” firing up the Mueller operation, and asoorted other dirty tricks made “legitimate” by demand and acquiesence of Congress, our own government is the biggest villian in election meddling.
      The public needs to come to grips with the fact that not only can things like this happen, things like this are going on at this moment.
      Congress will of course deny this. The system is a creation of Congress, it is funded by Congress, it is endorsed by Congress, it is praised by Congress.

      Liked by 7 people

      • TarsTarkas says:

        It wouldn’t have worked without the MSM actively aiding and abetting them.

        Liked by 4 people

      • YeahYouRight says:

        Remember last administratio, our concerns, really, fear, about FISA, metadata, and potential for abuse. Privacy concerns and Ron and Rand Paul et al, were laughed off during last administration. Obama and his buddies would certainly never allow such abuse.

        I guess these disgusting post-constitutionalists were taking notes while they laughed. Our worst fears were apparently a great idea! They abused everything we entrusted them with. Attempted coup, IRS targeting, election interference, (suspected) forced congressional retirements through fisa blackmail. Who knows what else. Shut down all of the FISC and FISA search capabilities. There simply aren’t enough white hats, and the black hats even abuse these tools to find each other. No more.

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  18. bullnuke says:

    We must reform FISA. Pretty sure there are safeguards in place but were not followed.

    Liked by 1 person

  19. MNBV says:

    A most excellent hint that PDJT will be replacing Wray with” someone more suitable to fix the ‘miscommunications’ at FBI”.
    Excellent news.

    Liked by 2 people

  20. Bogeyfree says:

    Not one has said, you couldn’t impeach the President via Russia Collusion so you came back with a Ukraine fraud to impeach the President.

    Non stop fabrication to take down a sitting President and virtually zero outrage from our Republican Senators.

    Just a dog and pony show to look like they are mystified by all this but really no one is horrified that PT is getting impeached by a coup.

    Why is that?

    Liked by 2 people

  21. thedoc00 says:

    Yes the president is quite upset with FBI Director Wray, with good reason. Yet before one thinks Wray is headed for the ash heap, consider linking the following two statements together and let’s see what unfolds:

    1. two crucial statements made by Horowitz:
    “… no one is vindicated by my report …”
    “… referred the entire chain of the FBI for further investigation…”

    2. The last paragraph of Wray’s comment on the report:
    “Finally, we will review the performance and conduct of certain FBI employees who were referenced in the Report’s recommendations — including managers, supervisors, and senior officials at the time. The FBI will take appropriate disciplinary action where warranted. Notably, many of the employees described in the report are no longer employed at the FBI.”

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    • IGiveUp says:

      “1. two crucial statements made by Horowitz:
      “… no one is vindicated by my report …”
      “… referred the entire chain of the FBI for further investigation…””
      ———————————
      re. “entire chain of FBI.” Who does Director Comey report to? That would have been AG Loretta Lynch and DNI James Clapper. So are they included in the entire chain?

      And who do Lynch and Clapper report to? That would be President Obama. Is he included in the entire chain?

      If they’re not “vindicated” does that mean there are criminal referrals being sent to Durham on the people mentioned above?

      We fear not vindicated means guilty but no charges.

      Liked by 3 people

      • IGiveUp says:

        Oh my! Seems like Loretta Lynch has just piped-up. What do you know…
        ——————————————–
        Troublemaker10 says:
        December 11, 2019 at 2:53 pm

        BREAKING: Ex-AG Loretta Lynch swore to IG Horowitz’s investigators that she “did not recall receiving a briefing on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,”even tho case targeting 4 officials in prez campaign of opposition party so sensitive that it wd have required AG signing off

        — Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) December 11, 2019

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  22. Reserved55 says:

    Yes they were biased against him.

    Liked by 1 person

  23. Tl Howard says:

    Senator Hawley just hit a home run:

    “Which is worse? To have a foreign country meddling in our elections or to have our own government meddling in those elections?”

    Liked by 11 people

  24. beach lover says:

    Wow.. way to go Hawley!! Putting it to the DNC

    Liked by 5 people

  25. Bulldog84 says:

    I’m not a big fan of Sasse, but he makes an excellent point about Bruce Ohr being in a high position in DOJ and acting as a conduit between Steele and the FBI.

    The IG concludes that many, many mistakes were made in an important investigation which FBI could expect would be subject to future scrutiny. To the contrary, however, no one expected Trump to win and therefore they did not expect their actions to see the light of day — until after he was elected. After that, they still withheld info from the DOJ and FISA court, and in Clinesmith’s case actively altered evidence. The resistance kicked in. Horowitz looks weak in not recognizing the implications of particularly reckless conduct beginning in January, 2017.

    Liked by 3 people

    • cboldt says:

      They bet on Mueller or other events taking Trump out. Any event that removes Trump from power stops the investigation cold.

      Liked by 3 people

      • YeahYouRight says:

        I can see why they thought he wouldn’t last. Every other Republican should have cowered in fear, resigned, and slinked away with tail between legs to be “dignified.”

        This is why we LOVE VSGPDJT!

        Liked by 1 person

    • MNBV says:

      “many mistakes were made in an important investigation”

      If you believe that there’s a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap.
      No friend… this was a malicious, deliberate, illegal attempt to destroy Trump by Institutions who hate his guts and will do anything to get rid of our President……nothing to do with a “mistake”.

      Liked by 4 people

  26. FPCHmom says:

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  27. Justin Green says:

    I can’t believe that Democrats are claiming that Comey illegally exonerating Hillary Clinton was political bias in favor of Trump, lol.

    OMG. Democrats are dishonest degenerates.

    Uh, Hillary was actually guilty, libs. Trump, not at all.

    Liked by 3 people

  28. paulapatriot says:

    Why didn’t Lindsey swear him in?

    Liked by 2 people

  29. Tl Howard says:

    Finally, we a few GOP senators bother to link Fusion GPS with the Hillary campaign and the DNC.
    Gop needs to make the DNC a dirty “word” every chance they get since it will be said a lot in Nov.

    Liked by 4 people

  30. Reserved55 says:

    Bias motivated the whole damn operation.

    Liked by 6 people

  31. Hawley just NAILED IT. Great work!

    Liked by 7 people

  32. 1togetready says:

    To heck with these BS hearings. We need hearings by the people with a group of informed citizens and savvy lawyers (Sidney Powell!).

    Liked by 6 people

    • FPCHmom says:

      I don’t watch Hannity, but he could to a televised town-hall with all of the MAGA heavy-hitters and lay it all out for the viewers, and it would be good.

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  33. Reserved55 says:

    Ukraine hacked the election.

    Liked by 1 person

    • rashomon says:

      See PFC Patrick Bergy’s attempt to be a whistleblower via his book “Victim of the Swamp” and interviews with George Webb, Jason Goodman (Crowdsource the Truth) and Mark Kulacz at Housotonic Llive over the last two weeks.

      PFC Bergy joined the Army at age 40 to bring is extensive IT knowledge to our military and served at high levels in South Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan thanks to his expertise that the military sorely needed. He left in disgust with the abuse of advanced technology developed by the Army with taxpayer dollars being used for private profit by Gen. James L. Jones through his company, Dyology as well as other abuses of psy-ops. He wants to get to the D.C. Congress Critters who can publicize the many ways the Trump administration also has been abused. All who have interviewed him are now assisting this effort.

      Twitter @PFC40Book
      https://pfc40book.blogspot.com/

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  34. Troublemaker10 says:

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  35. Coast says:

    Has the FBI ever been non-corrupt and non-political? I don’t think so.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Reserved55 says:

      Ask J Edgar

      Liked by 1 person

      • Jim in TN says:

        J Edgar was an equal opportunity abuser. He spied on and blackmailed everybody. The object was to keep himself in power.

        Where that fell apart was after his death. Felt wanted to step up and replace Hoover, but Nixon passed over him. Not getting what he wanted, the spying and blackmail turned to taking revenge. And thus was born Deep Throat and the taking down of President Nixon.

        Liked by 4 people

        • rashomon says:

          My late neighbor used to entertain us with Hoover stories gathered while he worked for J. Edgar at the FBI. He left way before Felt resigned in 1973, but had little respect for the “job” Felt did on Nixon with Woodward (CIA) and Bernstein at WaPo.

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  36. gsonFIT says:

    I think there are going to be a lot of FBI agents doing ropes courses and falling backwards into the arms of other agents

    Liked by 3 people

  37. Reserved55 says:

    Wray is a Deep State Communist

    Liked by 1 person

  38. Tom22ndState says:

    Wow, Sasse was a man and admitted he was wrong to trust the FBI/ DOJ. Maybe he’s teachable after all?

    Liked by 4 people

  39. TANGO268 says:

    Uh-oh. Da Nang Dick has their back.

    Liked by 2 people

  40. MR52 says:

    Blumenthal looks like an alien. He really looks evil.

    Liked by 5 people

  41. trumpthepress says:

    Senator says…”We should have your back FBI”

    The same FBI that committed fraud and treason! No thanks!

    Liked by 2 people

  42. LULU says:

    Klobuchar (“did you know I was a prosecutor?”) giving yet another campaign speech…

    Liked by 2 people

  43. beach lover says:

    Good grief.. whats the average age of the Dem senators on this committee?

    Liked by 1 person

  44. Bruce_Dern's_Finger says:

    Is rational thinking a prerequisite for employment with the Department of Justice?

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  45. Reserved55 says:

    The FBI hacked the election, Danang Dick.

    Liked by 1 person

  46. Reserved55 says:

    No Dick, Russia did not.

    Liked by 1 person

  47. Troublemaker10 says:

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  48. jeans2nd says:

    We’ve had so many straw men set up by the Socialist democrats today, we could start our own FBI and DOJ with nothing but Socialist democrat straw men.

    Liked by 1 person

  49. beach lover says:

    I hope Hillary gets in the race.. Im sure it will be OK with everyone if Trump has the FBI spy on her campaign, right?

    Afterall. she has some very suspect connections with foreign governments.

    I kidding of course. … sorta.

    Liked by 2 people

  50. Reserved55 says:

    Danang you are blithering scumbag idiot.

    Liked by 1 person

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