Conflict Clarity – The Reason for Conflict Between Horowitz and Durham is Crystal Clear on Page 2…

U.S. Attorney John Durham issued a statement contradicting a key and consequential  conclusion of Inspector General Michael Horowitz, and reads in part:

…”last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

The reason for this conflict, and immediate rebuke by Durham, is stunningly clear on Page ii of the executive summary as highlighted below.  This is a very important element, and needs to be contemplated in its totality:

What inspector general Horowitz outlines in that key section is that: (A) he has reviewed everything, and talked to everyone (current and former) within the FBI; and (B) the ONLY evidence they FBI cited for the opening of Crossfire Hurricane is the singular conversation between George Papadopoulos and Australian Ambassador Alexander Downer and/or Downer’s asst. Erika Thompson.

That’s it.  Nothing else.

There is no other predicate evidence from the FBI investigative unit other than a singular conversation between Alexander Downer/Erika Thompson and George Papadopoulos.

Nothing before that July 26, 2016, contact by Australian High Commissioner Alexander Downer relaying a conversation with Downer on May 10th, 2016, is cited by the FBI as having anything to do with opening Crossfire Hurricane (started on July 31st).

That conversation between Downer and Papadopoulos was George Papadopoulos relaying a rumor he heard from Joseph Mifsud is the totality of evidence used to initiate Crossfire Hurricane.

This investigative predicate is where Durham and Horowitz have a conflict.  Horowitz says the predicate was justified, Durham says not-so-much.

So the totality of the variables to create a conflict is very small.  Papadopoulos, Downer and Mifsud.

Durham says: “last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened“.  This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

Therefore for Durham to state the predication was not justified, has to come from his contact with Ambassador Downer or Joseph Mifsud.

However, stay with me, Alexander Downer is not really a variable in this dynamic. Assuming Downer is honest, and there’s nothing indicating inconsistency in the public comments he has made about this contact.  Downer had a conversation on May 10th, weeks later he relayed what he felt was his best interpretation of that conversation on July 26th. There’s not a lot of variable in that sequence.

The variable in this small group dynamic is Joseph Mifsud, and the only variable within the Papadopoulos-Mifsud interplay is the background and purpose of Mifsud.

Horowitz has eliminated all predicate variables on his end by stating all FBI witnesses and all FBI documents agree the Downer contact with the FBI initiated the investigation.  The only variable on the Durham end is…. yep, the background and purpose of Joseph Mifsud.

If Durham is disputing the validity of “predication and how the FBI case was opened”, then it’s the predicate behind Joseph Mifsud driving the dispute. This almost guarantees that Mifsud was *NOT* the Russian operative that current FBI and Intelligence Officials have stated he was or is.

From Page 56 of the IG report:

We also asked those FBI officials involved in the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane whether the FBI received any other information, such as from members of the USIC, that the FBI relied upon to predicate Crossfire Hurricane. All of them told us that there was no such information and that predication for the case was based solely on the FFG information.169

We also asked Comey and McCabe about then CIA Director John Brennan’s statements reported in several news articles that he provided to the FBI intelligence on Russian contacts with U.S. persons that predicated or prompted the opening of Crossfire Hurricane. Comney told us that while Brennan shared intelligence on the overarching efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections, Brennan did not provide any information that predicated or prompted the FBI to open Crossfire Hurricane.

McCabe said that he did not recall Brennan providing the FBI with information before the FBI’s decision to open an investigation about any U .S person potentially cooperating with Russia in the efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. Priestap and the Intel Section Chief also told us that Brennan did not provide the FBI any intelligence that predicated the opening of Crossfire Hurricane. We did not find information in FBI or Department electronic communications, emails, or other documents, or through witness testimony, indicating otherwise. [Page 59 IG Report pdf]

Chapter 3 of the IG report clearly outlines a presumption by all FBI officials that Joseph Mifsud was acting on behalf of the Russian government.  Again, Horowitz eliminates more variables.

The only thing remaining is the conflict between Durham and Horowitz on this predicate issue; and eliminating all other possibilities for the strength of the disagreement expressed by Durham only one reasonable aspect remains to reconcile the disparity:

Joseph Mifsud wasn’t an FBI operative (not in the CHS database); but also Joseph Mifsud was not a Russian operative (hence predicate issue).

Someone else was running Mifsud on behalf of the background effort.

My hunch is CIA asset Stefan Halper was running/instructing Mifsud, thereby creating plausible deniability for the CIA and John Brennan.  Whoever it was, Durham knows.

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403 Responses to Conflict Clarity – The Reason for Conflict Between Horowitz and Durham is Crystal Clear on Page 2…

  1. donnyvee says:

    Apparently all that is needed to bring down a President (and a country) is one errant comment.

    Liked by 19 people

    • Except this President is not coming down — he’s being reelected.

      Liked by 43 people

      • Zombie says:

        Then it’s ok.

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      • luke says:

        I was listening to Trump’s statement about the IG Report. I’m paraphrasing a bit but he said he couldn’t wait for the Durham report and he started talking about all the horrible crap that was pulled on his campaign. Then Trump said that “he made a move and if had not made this move it would have been even worse.” I heard it again on Levin playing cuts of his statement.

        Does anyone know what Trump means regarding a move that he/campaign made? It’s probably something simple I’m overlooking but I don’t know Trump was pretty adamant whatever decision the campaign made it was important…..Thanks in advance.

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        • ElTocaor says:

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          • highdezertgator says:

            ElTocaor … Ya’ Beat my by 3 minutes…. and Sundance is the Master!

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          • Tl Howard says:

            It’s THIS stuff, the spying shit, that the public needs to hear about. Hell, Americans go crazy over speed traps. They will identify totally w/ an innocent person spied on by the most sophisticated of surveillance agencies. Most of American knows nothing of Adm Rodgers warning Trump and the move out of Trump Tower.

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        • Chgonana539 says:

          About when he was warned and then moved to NJ??

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        • highdezertgator says:

          Maybe it was the moving of the transition team out of Trump Tower to Trump National in Bedminster, NJ!… on 11/17/2016 MAGA Move

          “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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        • jonhabart says:

          I think he was talking about moving his transition headquarters to Bedminster from Trump Tower after Admiral Rogers made an unscheduled visit to President Elect Trump in New York where he presumably shared his knowledge of the active government surveillance operation opened against his campaign.

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        • This is a vague and speculative answer…but it could be about the initial notification by Mike Rogers to President Trump when NSA Director Rogers became aware of improper access to raw FISA data. I think subsequent to that, he took measures to counter deep state surveillance and leaks…conducting important affairs off-site and possibly even debugging the oval office. Or in a related sense, the ‘move’ could have been shutting down the improper database queries by rogue FBI/DOJ entities.

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          • luke says:

            Thanks I’m getting that answer repeatedly and it makes sense. I can tell you after digesting this there is absolutely no doubt to the reason behind the impeachment sham. Yea they hate Trump yada yada but that’s not it….it’s what was learned from Durham today. Get ready fellers these lunatics are really going to got bonkers.

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        • Admiral Mike Rogers is the HONORABLE MAGA Patriot NSA Whistle Blower who told President elect Trump there was NSA wiretapping of Trump Tower as part of an ongoing Deep State coup attempt using NSA/CIA/ FBI surveillance and various asset involved entrapment schemes were also underway, recommending that Trump should take all communications countermeasure steps and personal security measures needed, including tasking the Secret Service accordingly and moving the headquarters for the transition team because Trump Tower was bugged, and all of the Trump team and Trump himself were being TARGETED by seditious and mutinous bad actors who are Deep State holdovers from the previous administration.

          Trump moved his transition team to his New Jersey golf course.

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        • Cam Heck says:

          Speculation has been that he’s referring to the fact that he moved once he discovered he was being wiretapped.

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    • zorrorides says:

      D V, there’s a sarc tag for commenters: /s

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      • sickconservative says:

        Really Sarc is better perceived than stated in my opinion. Maybe just me but dislike the sarc tag.

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        • GB Bari says:

          Too many troll/wackos are dropping drive-by comments in CTH with statements that should be labeled /sarc but the posters are unfortunately quite serious.

          I’m my experience the best practice is to use the /s tag somewhere after or below the comment. That leaves NO one guessing and you look smart to everyone, instead of being wrongly perceived as a moron by those who don’t infer your humor.
          It’s just a suggestion.

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        • Baby El says:

          SickConservative – See Poe’s Law

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    • billrla says:

      donnyvee: Yes, in a bar, in another country, preferably over a beer.

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    • Mayo says:

      I would call it an “innocuous” comment.

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    • Armageddon T. Thunderbird says:

      Actually, there is another….they have to be a republican too.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      The spying on Trump was going on since 2015. Crossfire hurricane was months later. Private contractors were using FBI computers.

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    • California Joe says:

      Meanwhile back in 2015, Hunter Biden returns from China on Air Force One with the Vice President of the United States and a check for $1.5 billion from the same government responsible for the launch of ICBM missiles over Japan at Hawaii and the FBI investigates NOTHING?

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  2. Muthaucker says:

    A foreign government reports to the FBI about a months old rumor and the FBI immediately opens an investigation? Puhleez…

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  3. Alison Wilson says:

    I keep fighting this feeling that I want to yell “I demand satisfaction!” and slap someone across the face with my glove.

    Liked by 16 people

    • RobInPA says:

      Don’t fight it Alison! Go with your feeeeeelings! You know that our enemies would in a heartbeat!!

      Liked by 2 people

    • I hear there’s a new resident in Martha’s Vineyard you can start with…

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    • Heika says:

      Alison, may I offer you a 4×2 plank of solid wood as a replacement for that glove?

      Liked by 9 people

      • Akindole says:

        Soak that 2x in water about a week before anyone uses it…it will never split.

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        • zekness says:

          water and wood..

          old admiralty maritime law for crimes while at sea.

          keel hauling…one part ocean..one long slow part, heavy barnacles across wooden keel along the mutinous bastards hide.

          it was almost always a death sentence.

          used most often when punishing pirates.

          and we have pirates here folks..make no mistake about it.

          we can hang them by the yard arms.

          walk the plank

          or keel haul

          so many options to choose from.

          I recommend all of them, randomly selecting one of the other for the pirates who dared to scheme against the captain..who represents the king (or if you will, in present day: you and me..the people!)

          keel haul is my own “favorite” sentence.

          it requires alot of effort and all hands on deck to rake the lines from both starboard and port…no running lines…takes about 20 men to do the work….and about 5-9 minutes from fore to aft.

          one does this to the captains of these pirate ships, with their criminal crew as witness.

          then you make the crew walk the plant.

          for some crew who committed other crimes beyond simple piracy theft, like murder or firing on a flagged ship…they are hanged by the yard arms.

          and hanging here isn’t like what you imagine like the wild west..it isn’t sudden breaking of the neck..nope..they are “raised” by the neck from the deck to the yard arm, until they become

          two blocked.

          exercise these methods of punishment to these pirates…

          trivia: if you ever have a chance to go into the supreme court, notice the special US flags…these are unique and decorated to signify a special ancient authority.

          as an originalist, myself, I advocate maritime law penalties for pirates.

          SO I will supply the correct flags if so requested. and the rope..I’m sure we can commission a tall ship to accomplish what needs to be done.

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        Alison, I would gladly hand you a cekic, a good old fashioned hammer, a very heavy one.

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    • jj says:

      slap away!

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    • Glove? How about the butt of my M14?

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    • The Devilbat says:

      Slap them with a dead fish.

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    • Instead of slapping them across the face with your glove, put a pillow over their face and stick a Glock muzzle into the pillow and start pulling the trigger. You’ll get less smart mouthed backtalk and it’s easier on your knuckles.

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    • gda53 says:

      Here we go

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  4. TheWanderingStar says:

    FFS why can’t the report name names? “FFG” – what is this a clear text redaction? The American people need to know which ally(ies) have betrayed the USA.

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    • Heika says:

      Sick of it… its like the ‘Eric no name Whistleblower’, its designed to destroy our minds and its working…my eyes are crossed, and my hair is standing on end! I just want to run away to the desert and get a huge canon and sit in a turret on the roof and …. or something crazy like that

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    • rayvandune says:

      Acronym for “Friendly Foreign Government” I believe.

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    • Lizabeth Hill says:

      I’m pretty sure FFG is Friendly Foreign Government – and I think they are referring to Halper with this reference..

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    • ATheoK says:

      “Friendly Foreign Government”.
      Likely a change requested by the State Department and acquiesced to by the IG.

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    • deepdivemaga says:

      If you read the article, and the image posted within, it’s literally spelled out for you. “Friendly Foreign Government” aka most likely a Five Eyes Intelligence member

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    • Rooster Cogburn says:

      It’s Australia.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        Why not say “Australia”? Using a generalizing acronym is creepy, imprecise, and intentional imprecision. The IG gets an “F” for bad writing. And an “F” for bad conclusions. And an “F” for identifying Downer and his “female assistant” Erika Thompson.as the same person (obscuring a date discrepancy in Downer’s “evidence” of the alleged Papadoc discussion. (which is innoccous anyway…). Also, the “FFG” gave clinton $25 million, which is a VERY “friendly government

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    • Rhoda R says:

      In this case we know it’s Donnelly (or something similiar) from Australia. I don’t see any reason to be coy about it.

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  5. Lion2017 says:

    POTUS needs to Declassify everything now!

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  6. Arrest Soros says:

    All roads lead to Brennan (and his plant in the FBI Strozck)
    Various FBI and DOJ people ASSUMED that Trump colluded with Russia and pre-judged their work.
    Confirmation bias was rife. They twisted evidence and ignored evidence contrary to their confirmation bias.

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    • zekness says:

      umm…Im pretty certain they designed a collusion angle. MANUFACTURED IT WHOLE CLOTH.

      lets not mince words here..this was not some psychological error…this was a group effort that recognized a threat and rapidly set in motion a well oiled complex set of programs that would get rid of that threat.

      trump showed who he was many years ago..he isn’t going to be bullied or pushed around.

      how do you compromise someone like that…..?

      said every IC holding power through corruption.

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    • Linda K. says:

      We have not heard from Brennan yet…

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  7. Heika says:

    What “Democrat donor and supporter” Horowitz says here is just mind blowing if he then goes on to say that Crossfire was NOT set up wrongly, that it was all okey dokey to start a full blown investigation into a presidential candidate based on ‘one gossiping ambassador. This completely misses the point! If this is all it takes – that tells you instantly of the political bias hunger the FBI had. Surely more is needed than this, and as we know, all this was fed into Downer anyway by Halpers games. Its just mind boggling – the Horowitz clown show continues.

    “What inspector general Horowitz outlines in that key section is that: (A) he has reviewed everything, and talked to everyone (current and former) within the FBI; and (B) the ONLY evidence they FBI cited for the opening of Crossfire Hurricane is the singular conversation between George Papadopoulos and Australian Ambassador Alexander Downer and/or Downer’s asst. Erika Thompson.”

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    • Fwiw, if – and I realize that this is a big if – Durham and Barr are now prepared to disprove, and expose the bad faith behind, that one flimsy thread holding together the traitors’ fake predicate, then it’s probably better that Horowitz be a Democrat hack trying to cover up the illegalities. That’s one way to win an argument . . . get your opponent to agree to a particular proposition, seemingly on “friendly” and favorable terms, then use that concession to dismantle the proposition and leave them with nothing left to stand on.

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      • luke says:

        I’m not so sure that Durham and Barr need to disprove anything in the IG report. The IG report is full of damning evidence. It seems that Horowitz cannot prove “intent” (politically motivated) like the FBI couldn’t prove intent with HRC’s emails. But I think looking outside the Bureau and beyond the US borders Barr and Durham have found that so called “intent.”

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    • bubblesmcb says:

      It’s impossible for me to believe that Crossfire Hurricane was opened on such a tiny pretext … But then, the impeachment “inquiry” was started by a fake “whistleblower’s” complaint.

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    • spoogels says:

      DOJ INSPECTOR GENERAL MICHAEL HOROWITZ WAS HANDPICKED BY THE “ESPIONAGE MACHINE PARTY” RUN BY SOROS & ROGUE SPIES FOR AN UNELECTED CORPORATE COMBINE

      INCREDIBLE BACKSTORY
      HOROWITZ HAS BEEN GROOMED BY GEORGE SOROS VIA DNC BARNEY FRANK, THE CLINTONS, AND JAMES CHANDLER SINCE HARVARD LAW SCHOOL

      HOROWITZ & CLINTON ROAMED THE PLANET USING SPEECHES TO ORGANIZE THE “ESPIONAGE MACHINE PARTY” TAKEOVER OF THE USA

      HE COACHED LEGAL & CORPORATE CRONIES HOW TO SKIRT U.S. SENTENCING & ETHICS LAWS
      Read it all

      https://aim4truth.org/2017/12/17/doj-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-was-handpicked-by-soros-co/

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  8. doohmax says:

    If Halper was running Mifsud, then who was running Halper? Hmmmmm………Or was Halper running a rogue operation on his own? Don’t think so.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Brennan? (Overseas)

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      I think there’s evidence of payment records from some US agency to Halper.

      So, it may be that the ‘link’ between Halper and the USA is already documented.

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    • Me says:

      Now you know why this is going to be a fight between good and evil in our world.

      See, when the CIA, like other hidden intelligence agencies around the world – at least those who worked with us to overthrow governments (i.e. Ukraine, Libya, etc …DJT (USA)) and/or do illegal activities – go out and do the actual dirty work, you then have to start asking yourself a new Q:

      Who is the major benefactor here (in most cases), is it people IN government or those people OUTSIDE of government??

      For example, take the Bilderberg Group or Council on Foreign Relations, do you think they just get together for drinks, waste time, or do you think they ‘plan’ ways to get richer and use governments to enact their agendas while ‘compensating those IN government’ for helping to accomplish their goals?

      Hands down, you are getting warmer because you are starting to describe people OUTSIDE government, for sure, those with major motives and big pockets, people who can make lots of money by corrupt decisions, while they leave scrapes for corrupt government employees and/or those near the top IN government (Biden, Obama, McCain, etc, etc) who directly benefit because, well, that’s what they do and have gotten away with for many, many years.

      So, again, think about your original question once more, expand it, but this time look beyond the bowels of the #CIA and/or government, and I think you’ll start barking up the right tree on who was/is behind the attempted overthrow of DJT and many other nefarious activities over the decades.

      Hint: those people with LOTS of money, LOTS to lose, and CORRUPT

      Of course, JMHO. 🙂

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      • The problem with this theory, in relation to this particular coup, is that it’s been so clownish and incompetent all the way through. It didn’t matter how incompetent these pseudo elite corruptocrats were in the past, before PDJT’s popularity threatened them, because the media, pseudo-elite institutions, federal worker bees, powerful lobbies, academia, etc., etc. we’re all on their side. Indeed, you could argue that they became progressively sloppier, lazier, and more brazen because they rarely got tested or challenged.

        When you start talking about shadowy, uber “Bilderberg” global elites pulling the strings from behind the scenes, though . . . if such persons exist and operate as you suggest, it simply wouldn’t be in their DNA to be so clownish and incompetent and/or tolerate it from their inferiors. Moreover, why wouldn’t they take their coup to the next level?

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        • Me says:

          Well, besides trying to take out DJT Kennedy-style, what options did the coup actors have besides taking clownish actions to try and accomplish their goal? Not to mention, what would the government coup actors say, ‘My bad. I thought Trump was a bad guy. Just ignore our illegal activities and we won’t do it again.’?

          Again, no matter how you look at it, seeing how things are/were going and how many Americans have been buying the Dems argument for either current impeachment and/or their previous ‘Trump being a Russia agent’ hoax, can you honestly say it’s been clownish on their part when they’ve been somewhat succeeding in convincing non-thinking Americans to smoke their crack pipe and to believe DJT is/was a threat to the country?

          Because no matter how you look at it, clownish or not, knowing even conservative polls recently (not in the past few weeks, though) were showing >50% for impeachment, I’d say their ‘clownish acts’ were working on many Americans.

          Or, better yet, wouldn’t you agree the Dems took back the House Majority based upon the Russia hoax, knowing that issue wasn’t resolved until this year, and how the 2018 polls were swayed, based upon their clownish actions, that many people believed it?

          So I guess we can agree they were clownish but successful at the same time? Because without the House majority today, today we wouldn’t be taking impeachment, right?

          Clowns: 1
          Us: 0
          ;(

          Now when it comes to shadowy characters outside government doing things clownishly, you have to keep in mind Trump isn’t an average Joe citizen, and seeing how he’s got some cash, not well liked and/or wanting to be part of the ‘club,’ so to speak, and considering he’s had his own loyal security detail for decades which works with Secret Service each and every day since taking office, we don’t know what may or may transpire regarding your ‘next level’ theory (JFK?), but I think we can conclude his chances to stay safe is much greater than if he was just an Average Joe, that’s for sure.

          Moreover, if you don’t think global elites make themselves look clownish, even though Trump was for the Venezuela overthrow as well as many ‘think-tanks’, not me, but seeing how Russia helped put a stop to it, wouldn’t you say that’s another example of ‘elites’ looking clownish when Guaido is only occasionally now popping his head to say, ‘I am Presidente of Venezuela!’? (me: rotflmao each time I see it 🙂 )

          Let’s just hope Durham and Barr aren’t going to take down the ‘little fish,’ if any at all, because we will find out soon enough if this country is doomed once and for all, especially when, which you’ll probably agree, I don’t think another President will come along anytime soon that somewhat cares about the Average Joe …of course, that is unless a revolution takes place between now and then, and a new George Washington rises from the ashes. 🙂

          Cheers

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    • twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

      James Baker. Not FBI Baker but Pentagon, I believe. It gets confusing with too many Page’sand Bakers.

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    • OlderAndWiser says:

      I think SD’s guess is right – that Halper was running Mifsud. As to your question, here are several options:
      1) John Brennan. Obvious so no further explanation.
      2) Ready for this? John McCain or Jeb Bush or some other Republican. Remember that a Republican had first contracted with Fusion GPS…this could have started the ball rolling.
      3) HRC – via a host of intermediaries. Including Fusion GPS. Or so many others.

      Of the lot, I think 3 is the one I’ve always thought was the creator and ringleader. I suspect Brennan was somehow part of it. (If he wasn’t, then the CIA ain’t worth shit. Then again…:))

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  9. Sanj says:

    So is Durham the real deal? Will his investigation be out in time? Will any of this matter if the GOP swamp decides to jettison Trump for the $

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  10. Joe says:

    I really must ask if anywhere or any time in his “investigation” did Horowitz ask witnessses if the likelihood of Clinton’s winning/Trump losing the election influenced him or her?

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      If he couldn’t see clear & overwhelming & continuing bias in the Page-Strzok texts, and motivation … he’s more blind than Stevie Wonder.

      He then relied on these slimey deceitful creatures to verify the contents of their own personal email accounts??!!

      LUDICROUS!! Is he this corrupt, or does his wife have his gonads in a vice grip?

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      • David Vicknair says:

        The IG report is like a blind man who after feeling an elephant’s trunk confidently declares that an elephant is a kind of snake… only the IG is not blind.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      Joe, why would he bother asking that question when he knows that the answers would be – 100% down the line – “Of course not!”

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  11. Heika says:

    And WHY would anyone believe anything friggin Comey and McCabe told the Left leaning Horowitz when it would land them in jail!?? Geezus..there is no rule of law, there is no consequence for them lying as we have seen over and over. I keep losing brain cells trying to plough through this crap – because always its all founded on lying. Its like a maze that leads down into a hell hole… pointless.

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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      You must have missed it on page 10 of the report.
      “multiple factors made it difficult for us to precisely determine the extent of FBI leadership’s knowledge as to each fact that was not shared with OI and not included, or inaccurately stated, in the FISA applications. These factors included, among other things, limited recollections, THE INABILITY TO QUESTION COMEY or refresh his recollection with relevant, classified documentation because of his lack of security clearance, and the absence of meeting minutes that would show the specific details shared with Comey and McCabe during briefings they received, beyond the more general investigative updates that we know they were provided.”
      Hope that helps. I see a lot of evidence so far in the report.. Keep thinking….and this is only the beginning! Durham has even more evidence….yikes. Wonder where those absent meeting minutes are. Interesting……..
      Yes, a lot of lying. And now FBI 7th floor management is getting the reputation of being really-really incompetent….and that is just for starters!

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  12. bofh says:

    Durham says: “last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened“.

    Not trying to be a smart-ass, but should we be a little careful here since Durham doesn’t actually say that he believes that the predication was faulty, just that he disagrees with some of the “conclusions”, which could mean just the method of getting to the investigation, rather than the absolute justification (or not). Lawyers and words, you know?

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    • bkrg2 says:

      I was thinking the same thing, but I can’t see it going in that direction. That would mean Durham would say everything was done “by the book”…

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    • ATheoK says:

      Durham will not jeopardize his Grand Jury Arrest Warrants and future Prosecutions stating any more than what he did state.
      Durham’s statement was a clarion bell that there was a lot more on the topic and there will be consequences.

      Comey’s, McCabe’s, Strzok’s and Brennans sleep should be ruined for weeks. They all know exactly what Durham is collecting and presenting to the Grand Jury.

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      If Durham believed somewhat the same as Horowitz, then he really didn’t need to make any statement whatsoever.

      The fact that he elaborated on talking to non-FBI/DOJ people and people outside the US is a clear sign that he’s in disagreement with Horowitz’s conclusions and even told him the same….a month ago.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      So Durham immediately breaks his months long absolute silence
      mere moments after Horowitz’s report comes out…..

      in order to split a hair???

      Oh AND rebukes Horowitz as well…..
      ‘we told this dumbass a MONTH AGO he was wrong”

      Good to be careful….but I don’t think so.

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  13. T2020 says:

    2nd BOOM! 💥

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  14. I need to find out what brand of coffee honey badger Sydney Powell drinks, if I’m to retain any fighting will in this continuing succession of deep state cover-up activities.

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  15. bkrg2 says:

    Holy crap! You mean the FBI used only one third hand comment from PapaD to start this entire hoax??? Tell me this isn’t sooooo… Does that mean the FBI is corrupt? /sarc

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    • Wethal says:

      And didn’t immediately tip off Trump that one of his lower level advisors had been spouting off stuff that might be construed to be in contact with Russians so trump could cut him loose?

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      • Wethal – that is a question NO ONE has asked anybody in the FBI. I also wonder why?

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        • ILOT says:

          Well, if you read the book “Deep State Target” you will see George P never did spout that stuff. As I read it, he said quite the contrary and the feds were frustrated he did not say as much. Same with Halper, Mifsud, Clinesmith and a few others…Geo was apparently offered $30k per month “job” but had to effectively work for “an organization” AND continue to work for the campaign. He passed, said it would be unethical and likely illegal. So, the FBI couldn’t warn the Trump campaign because frankly, there was noting there to warn them about. Recall strzoks own text…”there is no there, there”. He was right and precisely why dems are impeaching for “thought crimes”.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        They couldn’t tip off Trump because they ‘knew’ that he was a Putin stooge. Or maybe a Ukrainian stooge. Or a Saudi stooge. Or somebody’s stooge.

        They KNEW it in their guts that they had to stop this stooge of somebody’s from winning.

        And these are the people who want to lord it over us. To overthrow a POTUS based on a GUT feeling.

        No.

        They had to stop him because they were sure he would upset their applecart. And by trying to stop or overthrow him have made it clear their schemes SHOULD be stopped.

        They have to win. That’s the only way they can survive.

        POTUS
        cannot
        allow
        them
        to win.
        For the sale of his country, not just himself.
        And he knows it.

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      • Debra says:

        And, now, they’re p.o.’d because our VSGPDJT doesn’t put whole stock in ALL their assessments, so they are stomping their impeachment foot . . .

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    • Tl Howard says:

      AND then got a FISA warrant. I mean it’s bad enough that so-called rules of the FBI allow them to start an investigation on virtually nothing, but then to take it to the next level, a FISA warrant, would tell any thinking person what was going on, but 90% of the country, I’m sure, have no idea what a FISA warrant or FISA court is.

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  16. konradwp1 says:

    “Assuming Downer is honest…”

    That would be a huge mistake.

    Downer clearly is not honest. He tried to claim a “chance meeting” with Papadopoulos. The evidence shows his meeting was pre arranged. The Australian High Commissioner to the UK had no legitimate reason to arrange a meeting with an unpaid low level advisor to the Trump campaign at a time when Trump hadn’t even won the Republican nomination.

    Someone who knew that Mifsud had been tasked with seeding Papadopoulos, told Downer to meet George and get him to repeat Mifsud’s seeded rumor and record him doing so.

    Downer failed in his mission. He needs to come clean and reveal who told him to approach Papadopoulos.

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    • BestBets says:

      Don’t forget that Downer is up to his eyeballs with that phonies of phony charities, The Clinton Foundation. I might be incorrect, but I think Charles Ortel who knows everything there is to know about the CF said that the $25M that was received from Downer/Australia was the largest contribution from any country. How much of a kickback do you think Downer got for that? He’s dirty.

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    • Jan says:

      Plus he made sure Australia was a YUGE Clinton Foundation donor.

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    • Jan says:

      PapaD was such a big deal, the FBI didn’t interview him until late January 2017, after they got the FISA warrant on Carter Page 10/21/2016 and they’d just run the sting operation on Gen. Flynn…. Who on Senate Judiciary can nail Horowitz on Wednesday since Lindsay has gone south on us again? Hawley???

      This is truly FUBAR!!!

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  17. A suggestion to PapaD that there was some sort of suggestion from Russia was enough to get this all started??????!!!! You infiltrate an opposing Presidential campaign team in all sorts of invasive ways because of a suggestion?
    Oh, and Downer is a snake…always has been….just MHO as an aussie who has seen this man in action in politics

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  18. thedoc00 says:

    OK so more helpful detail on the mysterious Misfud can be deduced.

    So, we are to believe the testimony of those ex-employees?? Or, if hard stops are put on timelines for purposes of questions asked, it is a situation of “ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies”.

    Who is looking at anything that involved the report and Judges comments about FISA inquiries, exposed by Admiral Rogers??

    I am not buying the FBI innocence story one bit.

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  19. Perot Conservative says:

    Howie Carr & Joe diGenova. Joe on Lou Dobbs tonight. Highlights:

    – disgusted at Horowitz’s report
    – SHOCKED at John Durham’s letter; has never seen that before
    – END the FISC court
    – Durham has … the patina of power of traveling w/ Barr abroad
    – “outside the US” -> Brennan’s operation
    – getting close to first indictments?
    – C. Wray: light heavyweight, candy @ss.
    – Horowitz Strike 3; purposeful
    – ** the report details how President Obama is being briefed on the Carter Pave & HP operations! **

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Edit: Carter Page & GP …

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    • Sparty says:

      Joe rips Boente big time. Hates him. Joe is good people!

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    • All Too Much says:

      Thanks.

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    • All Too Much says:

      Joe needs to read Sundance’s analysis, above, explaining Durham’s statement.
      Durham disagrees because he has evidence Horowitz doesn’t.
      For example:

      “Durham says: “last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened“. This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.”

      I am listening to the interview, and Joe’s outrage at the beginning misses Sundance’s point. He’ll get it after he read’s CTH tonight, but as of the interview, he hadn’t. I hope.

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    • spoogels says:

      Q: SC Justice Roberts is the head of the FISA Court

      HE KNEW

      HE MUST RESIGN

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  20. kleen says:

    PapaD calls Downer, Clinton’s errand boy. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    I love it! PapaD is the best!

    He also said the 2 biggest idiots he met were Downer and Halper, lol.

    I hope he sues the hell out of these idiots.

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  21. kleen says:

    George Papadopoulos Retweeted

    Kristina Wong 🎄 🇺🇸

    This is confusing — the DOJ IG report says Crossfire Hurricane team tasked confidential human sources that resulted in multiple interactions w/Page & Papadopoulos “before” they were affiliated w/the Trump campaign? Yet Crossfire Hurricane opened after Papa/Page joined campaign.

    George Papadopoulos

    Remember: the Durham probe became a CRIMINAL investigation as soon as he left Rome with information on Mifsud. IG said he wasn’t working for the FBI. Leaves only one other option: CIA, and why Brennan and his team have all lawyered up. Bye bye, Brennan.

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  22. gsonFIT says:

    Does Horowitz actually put people under oath and document testimony, or is his role more forensic like an accountant putting available documents together to recreate history?

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  23. Magabear says:

    So the good news here is that Durham, and presumably Barr, are not working in unison with Horowitz but running their own operation. This is a good thing.

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    • zekness says:

      yes and no….DOJ OIG created both! They are both subordinate to Horowitz in that sense…how much independence they actually have is contained in the scope memos that horowitz signed.

      strategically, this about the time, one would expect Barr to announce horowitz retirement ceremony and get him out of the picture should he have a sudden case of “do over itis” wrt those scope memos.

      special counsels are still subject to oversight..and that’s the point.

      if we go with careful whitewashing by DOJ OIG to protect the IC and certain players, it follows that OIG might take issue with plans either SC might have that asserts a completely different trajectory.

      DOJ OIG needs to be sent packing right after his congressional hearing…

      make it so Barr…..you can do this…

      don’t make the president do it….we’ve been through that mess already.

      Barr, you can simply state: I have lost confidence in Horowitz..that works..and its perfectly acceptable. keep it simple, but make it clear what exactly your issue is with his work here.

      and if you can, just pressure him to announce retirement immediately himself.

      everyone can save some face…because I think it’s obvious..horowitz would probable welcome a formal official way to back out of this and quick…

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  24. ben says:

    I think there is a lot more scope for disagreement. For example while the official Crossfire Hurricane investigation started at time X, another investigation may have been in progress before that was less justifiable. The claims from Patrick Byrne start before Crossfire, the About Query abuse is before Crossfire and Steele started his research before Crossfire. It’s possible the FBI had a large unjustifiable monitoring of the Trump campaign before Crossfire and happened to luck into Mifsud/Papadopolous and then conveniently forgot about all the previous investigations.

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  25. rayvandune says:

    Why was FBI spreading dossier stories to the media, then?

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  26. Jaap Titulaer says:

    A few corrections & additions seem to be in order. While the gist is fine, there are some quite interesting additions that make the whole shitshow even more of a joke.

    The real story.

    There is no other predicate evidence from the FBI investigative unit other than a singular conversation between Alexander Downer/Erika Thompson and George Papadopoulos.

    Actually there were TWO ‘conversations’.

    The first on May 6th, 2016 (hence date in MR) in a rowdy bar with lots of drinks with a group of staffers, Papadopoulos & Erica Thompson. Downer was not present obviously. It was at this get together that a discussion erupted which candidate was unfit for office. Erica said some nasty things about Trump, Papadopoulos replied with a comment about Hillary’s emails (+ may have added ‘who know who may have them now’, a threat to national security).

    The second was on May 10th, 2016, Downer was present (see his calendar) as well as Papadopoulos & Erica Thompson. Nothing of any real importance was said at this meeting, contrary to what people have said.

    Nothing before that July 26, 2016, contact by Australian High Commissioner Alexander Downer relaying a conversation with Downer on May 10th, 2016, is cited by the FBI as having anything to do with opening Crossfire Hurricane (started on July 31st).

    Actually the MR is quite clear that the date for the relevant conversation is the one on May 6th, not the one on May 10th where nothing of relevance was said, even though Downer seems to have tried.

    Note that this is now confirmed by the IG report, It states that they decided to retry to get Papadopoulos to make these kinds of statements again, but now on tape, by RECREATING the original conditions: a bar, drinks, and a nice lady. I.e. the circumstances of May 6th, not 10th.

    That conversation between Downer and Papadopoulos was George Papadopoulos relaying a rumor he heard from Joseph Mifsud is the totality of evidence used to initiate Crossfire Hurricane.

    Several issues with this.
    1) As indicated above, the faithful conversation was wit Erica and all it was it rehashing of popular talking points.
    2) Also, Papadopoulos first must have heard about the theory that the Russian may have HRC’s emails BEFORE he was on the Trump campaign (as per his statement, see indictment). This is true (contrary to the indictment) because his colleague, professor Gregory (also on foreign relations team in the Carson Campaign) had published the first article describing that theory in February 2016 in Forbes.
    3) He may have discussed HRC’s emails in general with Mifsud (Mifsud denies this), as it was a popular subject of discussion in those months. In April Obama felt compelled to say at a news conference that HRC ‘did not intentionally’ bring harm or risk national security with her private email server (hinting that in fact, she had). Late April the real Guccifer stated that he had seen multiple other hackers entering HRC’s system. In early May (9th) it was the subject of Napolitano on Fox News (etc. etc.).
    4) There is no evidence that Papadopoulos ever fingered Mifsud as the actual source for the theory. That is just something cooked up in 2017 by the FBI. And they got Papadopoulos to ‘confess’ to that. At most he would have agreed (see indictment) that he may have talked with Mifsud about it. But he also said that he had heard about it before he joined the Trump campaign (perhaps his memory is not so good, but that must have been correct, see #2 above).

    Ergo: it is even worse than you may think.
    And by now Durham would know or suspect most of the above.

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    • Jaap Titulaer says:

      sorry, a bold mark went astray 😦

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      One other correction:

      “Bill” Priestap, who approved the case opening, told us that the combination of the FFG information and the FBI ‘s ongoing cyber intrusion investigation of the July 2016
      hacks of the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) emails
      , created a counter intelligence concern that the FBI was “obligated” to investigate. (pp 4)

      In other words, CROWDSTRIKE’s report was the other thing.

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  27. Ned Zeppelin says:

    I noted the above – the EC is it, and its about Papa D, Downer and Misfud. A mighty thin predicate. And after that, a cascading lack of any procedures to stop the ridiculous investigation juggernaut as it propelled itself through the FBI – Horowitz says Priestep authorized the opening of Crossfire Hurricane (can Mick and Keith sue – nevermind) page 52 after discussions with Strzok, Page, McCabe and Comey (as McCabe recalls). Crazy. I think may of us assumed ole Billy was a good guy in this somehow. And how about that rigorous Woods Procedure? You funny. Or better said, how about the Woods Procedures documentation loophole if your source is an outside CHS? All you have to prove is they said it, not the veracity of the statement or any supporting info. File is E-M-P-T-Y. Then make up stories about how great the source is. Crazy x 2. You really have to shake your head about what is written in here. No rules, do what you want, no consequences.

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    • Otherwise they will just keep looking only where they want to look…

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    • jackokie says:

      Yeah, let’s just publish in the US newspapers Normandy is our target and Patton’s operation in England is a spoof – ’cause by golly we want to know! There was an actual incident during WWII where the Navy told a congressman that the Japanese were setting the depth of their torpedoes too deep, and then that bonehead told the newspapers.

      Not all of the miscreants know all of the details in the unredacted documents – so the more uncertainty the better, including who is ratting out whom.

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      • WES says:

        Jack:. I think you have it backward! Japs setting depth charges too shallow not realizing US subs could run deeper! Big mouth part correct however!

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  28. doofusdawg says:

    Exactly. Did Horowitz interview Halper. Has Durham interviewed Halper. And I haven’t seen any mention of the letter delivered to Rice from the UK disavowing Steele. Who did she give the letter to or was she instructed to ignore it and claim that she had no knowledge of fisa warrant. This is where the nsc comes into play imo… the place where plausible deniability goes to die.

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  29. Zy says:

    Mifsud is in hiding because?

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    • Greg1 says:

      Because he fears for his life. It’s why he recorded a deposition. And made it possible to get his TWO cell phones.

      This is someone who knows the ins and outs of this activity. And he knows and behaves as if everything is much more serious than the conclusions in the Horowitz report would indicate.

      I think Barr and Durham are going to deliver when the time comes…….but not until.

      Mifsud went into hiding for a reason. He KNOWS who he was dealing with…..

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      • willthesuevi says:

        Greg1 said – “He KNOWS who he was dealing with…..”

        Yes, because he trained many of them in the dirty tricks at Link University in Italy.

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  30. Amy2 says:

    So Horowitz spoke with all the key players in the FBI, and none of them could recall. This is a surprise?! That said, Rush gave a BIG shout out to CTH today! Praised Mr. Sundance for his (their-Rush) excellent research. You go Mr. Sundance!

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  31. Bill Dumanch says:

    James Comey-
    Man who is able to “come down from the mountain” with his
    Contemporaneous Notages
    “Ah can’t RECALL”…something about Brennan.
    1st on the plane to GITMO

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  32. Elric VIII says:

    Of course Horowitz determined that there was sufficient predication. As far as the FBI is concerned, they have plausible deniability. (Cue Bart Simpson: ” I didn’t do it, nobody saw me do it, there’s no way you can prove anything.”) Horowitz simply didn’t know that the predication was fabricated by the CIA.

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  33. Ah, if only TCTH had ears in Durham’s office.

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    • OlderAndWiser says:

      What makes you think the DOJ doesn’t monitor open source information?
      Additionally, if Rush gave a shout out to CTH (as have others), then that megaphone is heard around the world.
      Personally, I came here after looking at RCP, following a link from RCP to some publication (can’t remember which) that gave a shout out to CTH.

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  34. GenEarly says:

    The American Public is Not going to read this IG Report, the MSM Newz are going with the Summary and it’s Sanitized Language, and then Continue The Lie…… Russians!!!! The FIB had to respond and investigate!!! Even Lindsay Grahamnesty says the same thing that Russians “hacked” the DNC servers.
    It’s all a sham flim flam from Campaign to now, and the impeachment…….
    democRats are Marxists, and this is a Coup by the Feral Gov Deep State. Mere words are probably going to prove wholly inadequate to stop them…., Because most people do not Read!!!
    And of those of us who do read, How many can handle even conceiving of anything beyond this verbosity Insanity???

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  35. hokkoda says:

    And, like I wrote the other day, CIA could have “reprogrammed” CIA money to send it to the DoD. DoD, through the Office of Net Assessment (James Baker), puts Halper on contract. The ONA.contract provides the funding mechanism for Halper to pay Mifsud (and anyone else). CIA maintains operational control of Mifsud via those Blackberries, and ONA is just there to launder the money and an “air gap” for plausible deniability. This is similar to how Clinton paid for Steele via her lawyers hiring F-GPS who contracted with Steele. Air gap, plausible deniability, etc.

    It required a court ruling to reveal that money chain…and up to that point the IC, FBI, Media, etc we’re still standing behind the Steele dossier to support the Russia hoax.

    Of note, the James Baker at ONA I believe is suspected of leaking the Flynn SIGINT transcript. That gives Durham extraordinary leverage, if true, to flip Baker. Leaking SIGINT isn’t like taking some confidential info home in your briefcase…SIGINT is among the most classified data in the IC and DoD. Many historians credit Allied SIGINT with winning WW2 (Magic/Ultra). If he leaked it, they’ve got Baker by the short hairs.

    Anyway, there’s probably a million ways from Sunday for CIA to reprogram $1M and send it over o DoD/ONA…which through separate media reporting is suspected of being a bit of a black hole where money goes “in” but no contracted work comes “out”.

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  36. California Joe says:

    Of course. it was Halper who funneled the $$$ to Mifsud sort of as a crew chief to insulate the $1 MILLION payments from the DOD. Furthermore, does anybody think Obama appointed Horowitz because he was a patriot or because he knew Horowitz was a good Leftist operative who would come through whenever he was needed….as in right now. On top of that, Horowitz would never do anything to harm Rod Rosenstein or any of the Lawfare group on Mueller’s team because it’s against his upbringing!

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  37. Publius Syrus says:

    The curious case of the dog that did not bark…
    Explains the respectful collegiality amongst Barr, Wray, and Durhams restraint…
    And the earlier reports of lawyering up at Langley…
    Do I hear shredders running and drives being hammered into bits, or is it my imagination?

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  38. zimbalistjunior says:

    it would be nice if some intrepid reporter would do a little digging…maybe speak to don segretti, and find out if halper is indeed connected to that classic of american idiocy, watergate

    his background sure suggests theres a high possibility

    one would think that the entire american public would finally understand that this was yet another example of rat f-ing if it sees that an original rat f-er is behind this mess.

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  39. Garavaglia says:

    zero indictments and counting

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    • hokkoda says:

      Barr/Durham statements say you’re not going to be disappointed on this. I bet sometime in the next few weeks we get a public outing with indictments. The IG wants readers to suspend reality and pretend we don’t know what these agents were saying to each other while conveniently making dozens of “mistakes”. It’s clear more is coming.

      The Carter Page FISAs are frauds. The same people and same investigation entrapped Flynn. That domino and Papadapolous conviction are going to get thrown out. It was FBI policy under Comey to operate on razor thin evidence, ignoring exculpatory facts, and making up facts when needed.

      The report is good news, and much more is coming.

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      • I still don’t follow the logic: If it was the ‘suggestion’ from papaD that started all this, why was the FISA warrant on Page and not PapaD? I got a feeling that my thought that Page was a patsy that was used and then thrown under the bus was the correct one.

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        • hokkoda says:

          They used PapaD (they claim) because it’s not “the dossier”. This is their fallback rationale. If we hadn’t found out about the Steele-Clinton connection, they’d still be implying that the dossier was the trigger. The PapaD thing is so utterly flimsy – he basically passed along a rumor – that they would not have got the FISA approved. They needed someone they could plausibly say (by withholding exculpatory facts) has met with Russians and might be a Russian agent. He also appears in the dossier, which they ALSO used for the FISA warrant.

          If they don’t use Page, and the dossier, there is no FISA and the spying on all Trump communications would have collapsed. Page was their “door” to access EVERYTHING.

          PapaD is the cover story.

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          • TarsTarkas says:

            PapaD was trying to get Trump election team to contact Russia. He is part of the plot. When he failed at his job they tried to shut him up. The Keystone Kops routine they used on him aroused his suspicions, and for the past couple of years he’s been trying to both clear his name and make everyone seem he was on the right side all along.

            If he had succeeded at tarring Trump with Russia, he’s be a secret hero of the coup.

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            • hokkoda says:

              I honestly don’t know. But he clearly was a weak link and not adequate for a FISA.

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            • hokkoda says:

              Btw, I’ve always seen him as an “easy mark”. The coup plotters flattered him with meeting”important people”, writing papers, giving talks, puff him up, make himself “somebody”. The $10,000 thing fell through, which I don’t know if that’s ever been explained. It’s almost like it was intended to be a cash transaction for emails or dirt. Very weird. But mainly I think they were looking for a guy they could prop up, get him into the campaign, and take it down from within by entrapping him.

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              • Scott Miller says:

                Fairly tempting, when you put it that way…
                1) Professional ego: speeches, papers, travel, connections
                2) $10k (ironically, just at the transaction declaration limit)
                3) Eager hot chick (operative)

                If you think about it, that would be special #1 on the batchelor “easy mark” menu. I recall times in my life where this would have fooled me.

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                • hokkoda says:

                  I think sometimes people are too smart by half in terms of the motivations and so forth. Basic spycraft says you try to find an EASY way in, not a hard way. I saw a post by somebody who said the Russian gal (the one who got deported) wasn’t much of a spy because she wasn’t all that attractive. THAT’S THE POINT. Good spies don’t look out of place. They don’t attract a lot of attention. Although I’m sure there are stupid politicians in the world, a hottie in a red dress is a red flag. You send in somebody who is fit and a bit on the skanky side who won’t arouse suspicion, but is still capable of arousal.

                  PapaD was an easy way in. Unfortunately, he was such a bit player that he didn’t get them anything. That’s why they ultimately defaulted to Page for the FISAs. Maybe there was one on PapaD, but I don’t know, and I’m pretty confident even if there was one that they didn’t get anything useful from it.

                  But anyway, basic spycraft is you find low hanging fruit, compromise them, flip them, and get them spying for you. They just never got to a point where they could flip PapaD due to a mix of him actually appearing to have a conscience (called Russian offers of Hillary’s emails “illegal” and “would never happen”), and the short timeline.

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  40. Your black suit of armor glove?

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  41. TwoLaine says:

    I know. I was reading through it immediately after it was released and couldn’t even get a few pages along without getting hot under the collar.

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  43. SmilinJackAbbott says:

    The problem is if Mifsud was an asset of the UK. They don’t have to tell Durham and probably didn’t. They know if they simply refuse to confirm Mifsud works for them this all goes away just like Mifsud has gone away. The alternative is a huge international scandal between two allies.

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  44. Newhere says:

    Wouldn’t the proper posture for Horowitz — upon learning from the PROSECUTOR that there is important information contradicting a key conclusion — wouldn’t the proper posture be to refrain from ANY conclusion for lack of complete evidence? If someone asks me how cold it is outside, and someone from the yard informs there’s a monsoon — I’m not going to say it’s a little chilly because that’s all I can tell from my covered porch! I’m going to say that from where I sit, it’s chilly, but that I DON’T KNOW. It’s blatantly misleading to produce a CONCLUSION on knowingly incomplete information. He should have said it’s not my job to settle the question of proper predication because I don’t have all the evidence.

    This is ridiculous. This is WORSE than a boring IG report. It’s a misleading report, with more confusion piled on by Barr/Durham. We can’t blame the media for a hopelessly misinformed populace. Of course the media plays it’s part; but everything coming from our governing institutions UNDER TRUMP has been mind-bendingly confusing and obtuse. One can only conclude it’s deliberate. The result is a fractured body politic, fueled by rage and confusion.

    If the new mantra from the Tick-Tock club is that we have to wait for the election — that Trump has to win in 2020 for justice finally to be served — cynicism is going to set in big time, and credibility will be eroded. I’m not blaming Trump, any more than I blame him for DC sabotage over the wall. But there’s no denying that if the new message is “wait til after 2020” it’s a significant failure. And failures down fuel movements.

    Trust-the-plan people have their heads up their you-know-whats. The country is not being awakened, it’s being abused by shell game after shell game and I don’t blame people for not knowing what the hell to believe, if this is what comes from the build-up and hype. The tweeting is counter-productive, because it’s never been clearly and unequivocally vindicated. For those ready to jump on that statement — the key is unequivocally. THIS IS NOT WINNING.

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    • QCM says:

      Wrong! This report cuts off all alternatives on how the traitorous and seditious Coup members originated the investigation on a Presidential candidate, and continued it on a sitting President.

      THERE IS NO OTHER BASIS!

      Once TPTB finally announce that Halper and Mifsud, at President Obama’s direction through CIA Director Brennan, planted the rumor with Papadoupolus and sat back and waited for someone, ANYONE, to interact with him and for him to repeat the rumor (or a favor was called in from a fellow traveler from Australia to set up a meeting with Papadoupolus to discuss topics surrounding the planted rumor).

      This was the sole predicate for a three year attempted coup.

      They all knew from the beginning, and the pain will be real.

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  45. Sherri Young says:

    Wait for Durham to wrap up the investigative phase of his work, Lisa.

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  46. DiogeneseVindicated says:

    The problem I see is that the incredible conclusion of no bias takes a large part of the why off the table for the gatekeepers of the deep state traitors. The MSM is going to jam that position up our wazoo until something can be done to bring bias back into the picture.

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  47. California Joe says:

    What is about McCabe’s statement that “FIRST WE “F” GENERAL FLYNN AND THEN WE “F” PRESIDENT TRUMP” that Horowitz didn’t understand? LOL! Horowitz like Wray is just another empty suit!

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  48. I can’t wait to see how Sidney Powell uses this information.

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  49. DiogeneseVindicated says:

    …and then this tweet from mona lisa pops up.

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