Report: Six Saudi Nationals Arrested Following Attack at Pensacola Naval Air Station….

Following a possible terrorist shooting early this morning at Pensacola Naval Air Station, six Saudi nationals have been arrested.  Three of them were reported to have been filming the shooting. The shooter was armed with a handgun and was killed by sheriff’s deputies responding to the dawn incident at NAS Pensacola.

(Via Daily Mail) – Six Saudi nationals have been arrested after an Air Force trainee – also from Saudi Arabia – opened fire at a naval base in Florida, killing three people and injuring eight.

The men were detained near the scene of the shooting, which took place at Naval Air Station in Pensacola early Friday morning. It is currently unclear why they have been taken into custody.

Three of the six Saudis were seen filming the entire incident as it unfolded, a source told The New York Times on Friday evening.

No officials have yet stated whether any of them were students inside the classroom where the shooting occurred.

Authorities are probing whether the incident is terror-related.

The shooter, who was shot dead by police, was first identified by NBC News, citing unnamed sources, as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani.

US officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation, said the suspect was a second lieutenant attending the aviation school at the base.

Military from around the globe attend the Naval Air Station in Pensacola for flight training. (read more)

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Congressman Matt Gaetz is the Florida panhandle representative for the district that encompasses NAS Pensacola:

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365 Responses to Report: Six Saudi Nationals Arrested Following Attack at Pensacola Naval Air Station….

  1. RLTW says:

    China doesn’t fok around with Islam. The Chinese put all their Muslims in concentration/ re-education camps. My guess is that all those Muslims are going to end up deaducated.

    Japan doesn’t allow any immigration unless you can prove pure Japanese bloodline. My Japanese wife regrets not getting that confirmation from her Father. We were seriously considering fleeing to Japan before Trump became President.

    My point? These cultures have thrived for thousands of years precisely because they are culturally homogeneous.

    We have founded a culture that is superior to the Japanese and Chinese culture and any other culture. It is a Christian/Calvinist culture of ironclad work ethic and values and freedom.

    Just as with the Chinese and Japanese, if our culture is to survive and thrive, we should be absolutely intolerant.

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    • ATheoK says:

      Japan has remained somewhat isolationist for the last few hundred years. But their genetics illustrates substantial DNA mixing and closely resembles Korean DNA.

      China has absorbed multiple conquering forces.
      Their method is to turn invaders into Chinese; e.g. Kublai Khan.
      China’s great attempt, under the Khan, to invade Japan was destroyed by severe storms; much as Spain’s attempt to invade England was destroyed by storms.

      The difference is when invaders do not advance a culture. Muslim invaders tend to regress cultures.
      Once upon a time enlightened Muslim kingdoms advanced science and culture.
      Sadly, none of the current Muslim countries practice enlightened Islamic culture. Instead, only a few are allowed to learn and practice science. Far more Muslim citizens are allowed to become doctors while most of their populations are kept at much lower education levels; especially the women.

      Our culture is different than China or Japan. That doesn’t make ours “superior”, just different.
      What makes Western culture stand out is that ordinary people, male or female, can better themselves and reach great prominence solely by their achievements.

      That individual achievement capability is almost impossible in any society where royalty, class or caste are societal driving forces. A list that includes China, Japan, India, Muslim countries, and even former monarchies.

      Chauvinistic patriarchal countries restrict or prevent at least half their populations from achieving prominence or bettering/improving the society.

      Patriarchal countries whose males are hung up on ‘male honor’ further complicate cultures and directly prevent equality in the culture. Some of these ‘male honor’ countries are amongst the most corrupt on Earth.

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      • nobaddog says:

        You say our our culture stands out but not superior. The reasons you mention makes our western Christian culture superior.

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        Pfffft……I was married to a Japanese woman for over twenty years.
        She could trace her family history back over 1500 years.

        In Japan all family events are and have been recorded over thousands of years

        My marriage to her and my son’s birth have been recorded.
        His Grandma sent a copy of that record to him so he could “renew” his Japanese passport. He has two passports: Duel citizenship.
        American and Japanese

        I lived / worked in Japan for over two years and my son graduated from American and Japanese high school.

        Your opinion on the Japanese society is not accurate…..at all….
        Just one point…..Japanese women are very powerful in Japanese society.
        They raise the family, control the money…My ex mother-in-law owns a steel making business.

        I kindly suggest you update your lack of knowledge.
        Sounds like you read books

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          I didn’t know that about recording family history in that manner. Fascinating. I took a course on the history of Japan and have been fascinated ever since.

          You’re absolutely right about the role of women in Japan. The modern Japanese language actually comes from the ancient feminine Japanese language which was deemed superior and adopted for all.

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        • Conservative_302 says:

          Korean culture is similar. I’ve never met a more thankful people than the Koreans, who appreciate our help in the Korean war.

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          • Jimmy Jack says:

            Funny because when my partner was a Marine and the ship stopped in SK while touring they were refused service in some areas and treated somewhat hostly. He was taken aback. This was as a whole, not a small group of rowdy young men.

            Canada refused to allow them to disembark their plane on a long layover headed to Iraq. I don’t know who’s friendly to us anymore when this is how they treat American service members.

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          Japanese women are very powerful in Japanese society.

          I think that depends on what you mean by “very powerful”. If all about the family, maybe. But in the working world absolutely not. Women are severely underrepresented in managerial positions and political offices. Last year a top medical school admitted to having manipulating entrance exam scores for years to keep women out.
          “Under the discriminatory system, female applicants were only able to receive a maximum of 80 points out of 100 even if they answered all questions correctly”

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          • Kenji says:

            Well … I know this much: I worked for a Japanese man (a professional) who took his wife’s name in marriage, because it was the more honorable one with a longer family history. So much for the Japanese “patriarchy”.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        Individual achievement thrives in western cultures with monarchies, the most obvious being Great Britain which is the primary basis for our own culture.

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      • FarmerBoy says:

        First. Time. Posting! I sit on an old branch, though.

        I’m no historian but I think the ideal that is taught about the Islamic society of yore is a complete fallacy. Another example of how the truth we are all taught is bent to shape a narrative. I suspect that enlightened achievements credited to an historically Islamic society throughout the Middle East and Mediterranean were most likely achievements absorbed from the conquered lands that Islamic invaders overtook for millennia.

        No doubt, there are examples of that culture excelling. My wife is from Spain and there are Moorish structures dotting the southern half of the country. There is some exquisite Moorish art in churches there as well. The churches were either converted from Moorish mosques or converted back to churches once the Moors were repelled. In her family home of Caceres (Al Caceres from the Moors) the old part of the city is built over an enormous ~180,000 gallon cistern built by the Moors called El Aljibe and another has recently been discovered there.

        Given all the socio-political turmoil in the Islamic world that I have seen over my lifetime of 40+ years how am I to believe that the culture was once great? It appears to me that the culture has been mired in oppression and cultism and you are not allowed to think outside of the box which, I believe, is a necessity for a culture to thrive (it also alludes to my belief that Islam is not for the faithful). How could an enlightened culture ever evolve from that?

        Americans’ ability to innovate is what makes the US different the world over. Our innovation stems from our independent spirits! I constantly remind people that independence is the number one thing we as Americans should strive for. It requires constantly thinking outside of the box and keeping an open mind. Grow your own food, build your own buildings, fix your own car, just start doing something, anything for yourself! Stop consuming and start creating! It is liberating and feels oh so good!

        Thanks for reading!

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        • jackvan says:

          You need to watch a 30 minute college lecture. “Why we are afraid, 1400 years of history” by Bill Whittle. His explanations will fill in some of the blanks in the history of the contacts between Islam and the west.

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          • FarmerBoy says:

            Yep, I have seen it! I like that he refuted the contemporary idea that the crusaders were the “bad guys” since the number of offensive battles that they waged paled in comparison to those waged by the Musulman.

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      • Fergus Boone says:

        I watch as Western culture dies and is corrupted by cancers that were unimaginable a few decades ago. Are you willing to bet that Western culture will outlast Japanese and Chinese societies as viable societies in the next century. Iam not and I am willing to bet most Americans do not believe that an America of today would be able to relate or recognize the “America” of 2120. Certainly Sweden, Germany, UK, France will not be what they have been for centuries. Some cultures change, most commit suicide.

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    • 2Alpha says:

      I keep hearing about the cultural differences between the Arabic Islamist and American Idealism. I’m not yet convinced the ‘threat’ of Islam is a cultural one. I see it more as a military action…

      These people constantly tell us they do not intend to assimilate and that they do intend to rule the world. I take them at their word and do not apply any of my own values in trying to interpret what they say.

      I’ve studied Islam and how they operate. Everything about Islam is focused on jihad. Few leaders of the ancient world dealt with the threat of Jihad as successful as the Wallachian Prince, Vlad III.

      Prince Vlad was a member of The Order Of The Dragon(A Military Order of The Nobility), which was fashioned after the military orders of the Crusades, requiring its initiates to defend the cross and fight the enemies of Christianity, in particular, the Ottoman Empire.
      After constant military incursions into his country by the Ottoman Empire, Prince Vlad realized simply defeating these zealots was not that effective and more drastic measures might be needed… He came up with the plan to ‘impale’ the defeated Ottomans and place them as a warning in the fields and along the roads into the area that is now Romania.

      He was somewhat successful until neighboring Kingdoms betrayed him.
      It was a dreadfully violent time in history.
      But Vlad’s methods did give the Ottomans great pause…
      So more military and less culture for me…

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        When people show you who they are believe them.

        It is both a cultural problem AND a problem rooted in Islam. One decreases our standard of living and the other decreases our chance for survival because the belief system poses an existential threat to all non Muslims.

        The enlightened kingdoms and science talk are laughable, the latter being a talking point of Barack Hussein Obama. Any honest review of those claims easily debunks them. It’s propaganda.

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Nancy is a lot like the cult of islam. Gotta keep an eye on her at all times.


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    • El Torito says:

      Gotta love these people who reap the benefits and flee when things get a little tough. If you won’t fight for freedom you should flee.

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    • Bob says:

      How many more have to be killed by Saudi Nationals. We know they were involved in 9-11 and several other acts of violence. Saudi doesn’t allow Americans or any other foreign people to live and pray in their country, a very lopsided situation. As mentioned in many articles, their belief is to kill all non Muslims. They take it seriously and so should we here in the USA. They can be vetted to the tenth order….but if they are radical then they are and will wait till there is an opportunity and will kill more Americans. The fix is easy….no more Saudis…like none.

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    • Christian, Catholic and Calvinist.

      It’s not Calvin that Sundance cites during Lent and Advent.

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  2. zekness says:

    The sickening reality is that the SA military ranks are indoctrinated, first in family and culture just like the “regular kids” but then when entering military service, and it is ramped up past volume 11 on some of the most crazed forms of islam:

    Wahhabism. If you are not familiar, think Osama Bin Laden level islam..an extreme puritanical form of sunni.

    This is a particularly very radical faction and is almost exclusively located and ENFORCED in SA..and somewhat in quatar.

    None of this is to suggest that “lessor” form of islamism is acceptable..they are all in various levels, a death cult.

    I spent some time in country..I’ve never seen a culture that embraced such deep conviction with what amounts as 11th century forms of “justice”..It’s barbaric as much as it incredibly wide spread, even among otherwise intelligent and well educated and skilled peoples.

    the notion that a muslim born and raised in a culture that actually makes most of its laws based on wahhabism, could then suddenly become “radicalized”…is nonsense.

    the moment you enter into wahhabism as your preferred way of living..you ARE RADICALIZED.

    All that is required is that you demonstrate your convictions…and wahhabism is very clear on this matter: you have a duty and a responsibility to kill infidels where you find them…If you DO NOT, you WILL BE PUNISHED..here on earth by your fellow death culture associates..AND also in the after-life.

    it’s not so much that these people go looking to kill people…it’s that the religion itself is TOTALLY incompatible in every single way with any person who ISN’T the same practicing death culture.

    The Kind of SA is a wahabbist…he demands the same from his military..within the military this is taken to an entirely different level of hellish behavior.

    it’s important to distinguish this radical form…it is rooted in Allah, but its gets it teeth and violence directly from a false prophet from only within the last 200 years or so.

    Most people have this false notion that its most celebrated practicioner of wahhabism, OBL, was exiled from SA and found refuge in afghanistan…this is not true at all.

    He was never forced to leave. He left the “kingdom” because at the time, it was not possible to recruit the kinds of people within the kingdom necessary to grow Al Queda. The people in SA had grown “lazy” and had begin a relationship with the corrupt west.

    and it was far more strategic for him to remove his plan from the seeing eyes of the west and recruit an almost “ready to go” afghan rebel culture that was nearest to wahhabism if not by name. And they already had an axe to grind with the US for abandoning them after the Russians decided to call it off…the americans broke many promises, and as such OBL simply exported his radical form of wahhabism and his billions and ties to military grade weapons and recruitment logistics resources to a people he knew where just stupid enough to start something with the US.

    it was OBL plan that such a war would lead to SA throwing the US out of the Kingdom and he would return the hero for restoring the sacred protections that wahhabism demands of a dedicated true believer. He thought he could be a hero..and would be blessed by Allah.

    so, if you have any illusions about what this SA pilot in training was “on”…he was addicted to the same death culture koolaid that entire country consumed with deadly effects.

    The real surprise is this has not happened MORE often.

    But I can point to a few cases where it has..this one is NOT isolated.

    Fort Hood comes to mind.

    and there are others.

    I am opposed to allowing ANY islamists in this country and never any from SA or quatar…

    which raises the issue of what trump campaigned on:
    he promised to block certain terror countries from visiting here.

    perhaps it’s time trump move quickly to direct the DOD immediately..and the academic institutions to send these demons back to home.

    if they want training…send them to some european nato training facility.

    they can deal with it.

    and frankly the benefit the US receives from any intelligence “bank” from SA and Quatar academics and researches are a rounding error, closer to zero that noone would notice their absence.

    time to stop dealing with SA simply because it is an oil rich country.

    it’s a liability..and always has been.

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    • zekness says:

      adding some additional material wrt wahhabism, which would be the death cult version of island that this pilot in training from SA was almost 100 percent indoctrinated, read this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#Loyalty_and_disassociation

      Loyalty and disassociation
      According to various sources—scholars,[39][290][291][292][293][294] former Saudi students, [295] Arabic-speaking/reading teachers who have had access to Saudi text books, [296] and journalists[297] – Ibn ‘Abd al Wahhab and his successors preach that theirs is the one true form of Islam. According to a doctrine known as al-wala’ wa al-bara’ (literally, “loyalty and disassociation”), Abd al-Wahhab argued that it was “imperative for Muslims not to befriend, ally themselves with, or imitate non-Muslims or heretical Muslims”, and that this “enmity and hostility of Muslims toward non-Muslims and heretical had to be visible and unequivocal.”[298][299] Even as late as 2003, entire pages in Saudi textbooks were devoted to explaining to undergraduates that all forms of Islam except Wahhabism were deviation,[296] although, according to one source (Hamid Algar) Wahhabis have “discreetly concealed” this view from other Muslims outside Saudi Arabia “over the years.”[291][300]

      In reply, the Saudi Arabian government “has strenuously denied the above allegations”, including that “their government exports religious or cultural extremism or supports extremist religious education.”[301]

      let me highlight the take-away here

      “had to be visible and unequivocal” it literlly means what you think it means…you must KILL all non-wahhabist…period..

      it’s a death cult.

      if you read a little more into how it is practiced, it helps to understand WHY the King of SA sanctioned the hit on the WAPOST muslim reporter …the method of death is elaborated in wahhabism…they did not torture him to get info out of him..they did not cut his body into parts, likely while he was still conscious..

      nope..they did it, because that is the exact precise PUNISHMENT for a non-wahhabist who commits the crime of talking badly about SA..which is a direct affront and is the highest crime one can committ against the state of wahhabism.

      now you know what we are dealing with.

      I do not understand why former administrations blocked american citizens from going forward with law suits against SA for the 911 attacks.

      its one of the single greatest destructive coverups in the US history.

      and it has CIA all of it.

      I will never forget the americans who were murdered not just once, but twice..the second time by their own government in not seeking proper justice.

      this is where we are at.

      delayed justice is justice denied.

      kill them all I say..every single one.

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      • margarite1 says:

        I always thought the lawsuits against SA were prevented was because of oil.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          And Saudi Arabia’s strategic position in US-Mideast policy. We’ve been building/improving basing and supply depots and protecting the compliant royal family for many decades now.

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          • margarite1 says:

            Now that we’re energy self-sufficient (for now) I wonder what POTUS will do about SA – if anything.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              We still will need to protect the Saudi royal family and the country as we need them as a forward operating base in the area.

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              • not2worryluv says:

                I’d like to think that SA needs us more than we need them.
                I see no reason to “train” their military here in the USA.
                Give them training in at the USA Bases in Saudi.
                Ditto for all the other Countries sending their citizens for military training on our soil.
                Doesn’t NATO have a Training Program for their Soldiers?
                Another instance where our taxpayer dollars are supporting questionable “allies”.
                Where is our Foreign Aid designated as Military Aid going to in these Countries?
                There never seems to be accountability on our end of the Deal.

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                • czarowniczy says:

                  We’re training them on our equipment and to be compatible with our tactics. We’re also trying to build a rapport with their officers which we hope will pay off in the long run. We can also control who’s being trained whereas we build a training center there they could, at some point, gain control and just train anybody. There’s also the fact that we’d be placing our military in a dangerous and uncomfortable environment – just ask ARAMCO US employees with families there how much fun it is.

                  In all, much easier and advantageous all around to bring them here to an established training ground where our trainers are more comfortable. The SAs wanna be fighter pilots then let them learn what it’s like to be in a hostile job while living in an uncomfortable environment.

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        • zekness says:

          it goes much deeper than that.

          if the cases were to be allowed, would lead to some exposure of very corrupt schemes by former administrations….and most of that remains classified and protected for all the wrong reasons by the BOTH bush administration..and some by clinton..and some by obama.

          the reality is that these victims will never be allowed to seek proper justice, because the US has dirty hands.

          it was obama that blocked these cases from going forward..he was not really interested in protecting SA, as much as the IC and DOD and former administration probably told him in no uncertain terms: we will tear your life apart if any of this is allowed to see the light of day.

          now contemplate that for a moment and realize the terrible situation our own president is in wrt publishing very damaging material about corruption within fbi and the IC ..

          the rabbit hole runs very deep.

          the powerful have dirty hands..they will end ANYONE ANYWHERE that dares to even contemplate making a move that threatens

          this is where God comes into play.

          God will provide an opening..we will have justice.

          as certain as the sun rises tomorrow, we will have that door opened.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          I suspect they were also blocked to cover up US involvement in ways most Americans can’t even conceive of such as terrorism and false flag warfare. The oil is only part of it.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        The Saudis were (and probably still are) the largest single funding agent for mosque construction in the US. Wahhabi is their preferred flavor but if they can convert Americans to Islam (the big step) they can fine tune those secular details later.

        As I’ve said before the Wahhabists ran a vigorous outreach program for years pre-911, targeting some of the most violent inmates in Federal and state prisons. This was funded by the Saudi government too and was outlined in a BoP report pre-911 that post-911 was pulled from circulation and from Federal libraries. You’ll have a helluva time getting BoP to cough up a copy now.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          You’re right and they’re funding them all over the world. Look at what they’ve turned London into.

          And when they build these mosques and cultural centers they build them far bigger than the current populations require. They have a plan for rapid expansion.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            And that expansion will occur from conversion and immigration, obviously. Problem is that we can’t tell what the resulting culture will be like. If the current example of how the Islamic world is largely a bastardized version of Western culture…it should be interesting.

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            • Super Elite says:

              Don’t forget the increase from births of Muslim immigration. Muslim women do not work. They have half-a-dozen children. I recently found out that Muslims are driven to Mosque free on the transportation provided for and to the disabled in the Seattle Area. Seattle has a very large population of Somalian Muslim immigrants.

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              • czarowniczy says:

                And the question is why do the Moslems take better care of their adherents than Christians? We have some churches around here that provide transportation for those who can’t drive but it’s not that organized. It’s like how they also provide so many trips for the Haj to those who can’t afford it on their own.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        Khashoggi wasn’t a Wapo journalist. That’s a cover. He was a deep state CIA asset just like his uncle was. If you think he was killed because he wasn’t a Wahabbist you’ve missed the entire reason for his murder. Wahabbism is a convenient cover for it and perhaps a how to in terms of methodology.

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    • margarite1 says:

      Hugely interesting post!

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    • Tim says:

      Saudis ONLY accept $US for OIL. then invest in USA. its called the petrodollar.. This means oil is priced in $US, so all other countries have to sell something of value to USA to get $US to pay for oil. USA only has to print money. Printing is easy. In return USA guarantees security for Saudi govt. This also helps to make $US a global reserve currency.
      While the Saudis have oil, US cant dump them.

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    • Jan says:

      I add to your wisdom: the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer, (except for ristvan)… the same applies to ANY Muslim who embraces sharia law & lives in America.

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    • old white guy says:

      How about just recognizing that all of islam uses the book. the book is the law, the way of life, commands what is to be done. The koran, read it.

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    • Conservative_302 says:

      I live in the middle east for 10 years. There are good and bad people in every country. Most Arabs are concerned with job security and raising good kids. US has it terrorist groups, but they only want to harm US citizens. The middle east has their terrorists groups who want to harm US citizens. These groups are made up of poor, sometimes rich, lonely, uneducated and sometimes not people who have no life and have lost their way. My point is that we shouldn’t make this bigger than it by condemning an entire country based on a group of terrorists from that country. If the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn’t want to be condemned for the bad acts by antifa.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        Academic research shows most terrorists are educated and from middle class or better households. The poor and disenfranchised theory is a myth conveniently propagated by the likes of Marie Harf.

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      • 7delta says:

        I have studied Islam for longer, from Islam’s own sources and from its own leading clerics…when their audience is Muslim. I’ve read a lot of relevant original historical documents. Let’s just say I’m a believer in getting info straight from the horse’s mouth, unfiltered.

        Islam isn’t easy for the logical rational western mind to figure out, but it’ll click, if we turn off our filters and accept that the only interpretation that matters is what Mohammed said and did, how Islam sees itself, its world view and what its doctrine/shariah law says. It doesn’t matter what you or I think or what liars and the misinformed tell us. A quick reference to understanding Islam is ISIS. They did not do one single thing Mohammed didn’t do and that wasn’t compliant with shariah law.

        Keeping in mind Islam’s perspective…despite disagreements and infighting between sects and sub-sects, there is a consistent bottom line: There is no such thing as a radical and a moderate Islam. There is only Islam. Neither is there such a thing as a radical and a moderate Muslim. There are only devout Muslims and apostates. The penalty for apostasy is death. Mull that over. Muslims, like all human beings, vary in how they do or don’t practice Islam, but Islam is what it is.

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    • MGBSE says:

      I remember an Afghan Freedom Fighter…cannot think of his name…essentially begging Clinton to help him, or fund him, in his fight against OBL and the Taliban…clinton did nothing (he was being blackmailed by our muslim enemies over his phones£x with Monica)…the man was assassinated about 30 days prior to 9/11.

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  3. Bigbadmike says:

    Let’s face it. Volunteer military are 80% pussies. This never happened when we had the draft. Even Gomer Pyle would have been wise to these sand bangers.

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    • emeraldcoaster says:

      Hope you really don’t mean such disrespect to the volunteers.

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      • zekness says:

        I didn’t read it that way…but clearly there is some non-patriots who are withing the ranks who clearly do not belong.

        manning comes to mind and any other homo and vindmann types.

        it was that way in the 80’s and 90’s…diversity..don’t ask don’t tell.

        the fighting force today is fantastic ..many great warriors..but it’s unfortunate that it is dragged down to a lessor state of readiness than it could be….

        the influence of “progressive” culture has made it weak, compared to our adversaries.

        getting back to proper military order and discipline with men and women who actually represents american values should be the goal.

        I have a friend telling, working at whiting field in pensacola (I was a liaison officer there for a time, quite a few years ago)…and this pilot student would appear in full wahhabii dress…

        and made it known his particular views about american culture.

        this is the PROBLEM…this guy was KNOWN to be a death cult hand grenade.

        why?

        why the lazy weak leadership?

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        • Kenji says:

          Yep, where are the transgendered soldiers when you need em? Those Saudi’s would have fled quickly had they seen a shim coming after them swinging a purse!

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        • fractionalexponent says:

          Bill Clinton had to back track his intent to openly allow gays in the military. He didn’t know the UCMJ existed, and that it is a law passed by Congress and immune to Executive Order override. He specifically didn’t know about UCMJ Article 125 Sodomy prohibition, so he just said “Don’t ask, don’t tell”.

          Not to but heads with President Clinton, the military started strictly/strongly enforcing prohibition against fraternization, which accomplishes the same thing without citing Article 125.

          IAW “We caught you doing something against good order and discipline and we’re calling it fraternization, instead of what it really is.”

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          It’s not lazy weak leadership. It’s corrupt and complicit leadership that allow this bc it benefits their agenda.

          We use incompetence as an excuse bc the truth is unthinkable to most Americans.

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    • Lurker1 says:

      The generation before you didn’t put jihadis in your squadrons/platoons/etc.

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      • zekness says:

        that is exactly correct.

        but I will say, the soldiers of today, given the decision making authority would not approve it either. for many solid reasons..mostly because these people are a morale problem and due to both cultural and religious practices and religious behavior, they are afforded special provisions and loose disciplinary that approach disorder and that presents a natural resent to the command.

        we find this both in combat with forced joint operations..and also in training facilities.

        it even occurs in military training centers, in the medical and health sections…these muslims do NOT want to assimilate in the fine traditions of the American forces…constantly complain they are denied certain protections that no one else is permitted.

        it literally sets in motion tensions that should never even exist for your soldiers sailors and airmen.

        I spent some time studying this at camp smith in Hawai’i…when it comes to muslims in the military ..its striking the amount of “administration” and morale issues involving repeated offenses that seemingly never get properly resolved.

        So from the soldiers view..there is a profound level of mistrust about what the intentions really are from leadership.

        imagine being forced to comply with military orders and you do so willingly because it is your duty..and you are proud to honor that code.

        then you watch and see this white dressed towel headed camel jockey flaunting that he can get away with nearly anything …

        it’s a problem

        and yes, it happens in whiting field in pensacola.

        the student pilots pretty much have their own special rules..and even those are rarely enforced.

        when was the last time a muslim student pilot was held to account? or sent packing.

        never happened.

        this is the problem

        our military leadership is not adequately designed to work with these radical.

        period..non stop.

        now they are killing us on our own country..in our military training sites.

        why isn’t it so difficult to acknowledge this was predictable?

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        • Lurker1 says:

          At Whiting we called it PASS THE TRASH.

          We didn’t want to send the AL BROTHER home because we joked that his hands would be cut off if he failed. (Not that it would affect his flying). It was merely a saying but maybe true. Anyhow, they all sucked. There was no best or worst.

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          My Marine partner made similar comments when he was at Pensacola. This has been an issue there for well over a decade or two.

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    • zurizara says:

      Are you quoting Kerry and forgot the /sarc . If not this is despicable.

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    • Pale rider says:

      Hmm lets review. When a man walk in a woman bathroom I see little resistance. When a man dresses like a woman to win at sports where are the ‘justice league’? When kids are dragged into a Dr office to get their junk cut off who stops that abuse. Need I go on?
      Point is Gomer was taught, now all kinds of lies are substituted for truth, like how many genders? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW93CV6m-JU

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  4. czarowniczy says:

    What is it with Saudis, airplanes and dead Americans? Let’s hope that DoJ does a better job of investigating this Saudi/dead American crime then they did with 911.

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  5. hang them.

    hang all 6 of them.

    and hang them in public.

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    • zekness says:

      transfer to a black site…

      enhanced interviews…(using non-us persons to conduct such special arrangements)

      determine everything there is to know about how they got here, how they make money, who they belong to, where their families live, how they were monitored, if at all. trace bank transactions, social media and travel links. then keep them alive long enough to verify the leads are solid and actionable.

      then kill them

      and dump them in the sea..

      and don’t announce any of it.

      just explain it this way: we have returned these person to their countries of original

      and that would not be lying..they belong back in hell from where they slithered.

      nuke them from orbit, its the only way to be sure

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      • WSB says:

        And if these are hangovers from A-Waleed, let Bin Salman know we will not tolerate this, and will obliterate any site he still has A-Walleed sympathizers, domestically in SA or in the US.

        We are DONE with this satanism.

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        • zekness says:

          this is two strikes against the king…

          a. he was let off the hook for killing a WAPOST reporter..who was dual citizen and a NON-Wahhabi who temped fate by reporting the truth to the world about SA and the king…a very corrupt and tyrannical moron!..for that he was tortured and torn apart….
          b. SA does not take any care vetting on their side, what kind of student pilots they are sending to our country…this one they have ownership over. apologies do not cut it.

          why do we need a third strike to acknowledge what the facts are showing here:

          SA is NOT a country we should be doing business with.

          this president needs to send a message that will invite a serious reaction.

          the first order of business would be to announce the immediate removal of all US forces from SA…post haste.

          we can run ops from italy just fine…its air ops anyway…a one hour difference isn’t going to lose the strategic national security predicate.

          within a week, SA will start culling the herd..as it should have about a thousand years ago, and start a cultural revolution..

          very much like what is playing out in Iran..anyone here paying close attention to the Iranian spring happening right now?

          that is what is necessary with SA…time for the KING to meet his fate..and relinquish his “anointed death cult” power. time for them to have their own spring.

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          • WSB says:

            Kashoggi was the nephew of
            the arms dealer Adnon Kashhoggi. He was no journalist.

            The CIA tried to frame MBS. This is why the blowback failed. The Turks and MBS’ own holdovers from A-Waled failed.

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            • zekness says:

              I am aware…the familiar red flags

              but he WAS a journalist, who wrote prolifically a very anti-SA, anti-wahhabi message…consistently..for a long period of time..for several outlets in several countries and spoke often to many conferences.

              are my sources incorrect in this information?

              you are asserting the CIA had him ended?

              first time I’ve read that.

              care to elaborate?

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              • WSB says:

                I would love you to read this…

                keep in mind,
                the CIA may have been attempting to take out Mohammed Bin Salman, the one who removed Hillary Clinton’s criminal sect in Saudia Arabia…A-Waleed.

                “The point made by that last paragraph is critical. “Freedom and Democracy” is a common phrase touted by Marxian-inspired revolutionaries. And Islamist revolutionaries are exactly that. Thriving in the swamp of Washington DC, Khashoggi no doubt not only found himself among willing peers but cheerleaders among the Deep State apparatchik, with those ties neither recent nor random. His tale is one of deep alliances with what we now know of as the Deep State, made of the Marxist-inspired and academia-groomed bureaucracies of the Washington elite. The Muslim Brotherhood to which he refers is the revolutionary party of Egypt, spearheading the so-called “Arab Spring” which plunged the stable nation into chaos and directly endangered the control of the Suez Canal, keeping fuel prices affordable, in the hands of Islamists. Mohammed Morsi, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, found a quite inviting home in the White House and among the leftist administration of Barack Hussein Obama. Wasting no time eliminating political rivals and religious minorities, most notably Coptic Christians, the Egyptian Army stepped in to remove the leftist cancer that had been installed as a proxy of the Obama administration.”

                I studied in Egypt right after Mubarak was installed, so I have an understanding of Egypt trying to evade the moslem brotherhood. Had they ever taken over, the counrty would have been doomed. The only entity the country has is tourism. And by reverting it to totalitarianism, the country would be doomed.

                And then we saw Al Sisi and the people of Egypt fighting back. Thank goodness.

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              • Jimmy Jack says:

                Journalism is a common cover for CIA assets. Even the movie Spy Game illustrated this. It allows for easy insertion into other countries and hot zones with the added benefit of providing propaganda when needed.

                There are people who’ve covered Khashoggi extensively, one is a female journalist who I think is in Turkey but her name escapes me right now. She’s a former US intelligence officer I think. George Webb also talked about it as it relates to his other work.

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            • Jimmy Jack says:

              You’re 100% right.

              Even normies should have known when the MSM, politicians and even foreign politicians attacked Trump for this relentlessly there was more to the story.

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            • lolli says:

              👍WSB

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          • InAz says:

            @ zekness

            Kashoggi was not a reporter for the Washington Poo(st)

            The reporter angle was a cover.

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        • Dixie says:

          Removing Alwaleed from everything he owns in the US will take a nuke. He’s deep into everything and despite what we learned about his so-called punishment in SA, he was sprung from that and never lost not one piece of investment nor any of his wealth.

          https://www.cnbc.com/id/42037137

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          • WSB says:

            A true snake…and the timing of this is suspect.

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            • Dixie says:

              Sorry! That isn’t the right one, WSB. I was hunting for the interview Maria had with him after he was released from incarcerated in the opulent surroundings of a hotel in S.A. I’ll go look for the most recent one.

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              • WSB says:

                Oh, I see. I was wondering about the date.

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                • Dixie says:

                  Someone posted it here in the past couple of weeks and i clicked on it and read it but now I can’t locate it. Maybe it’s been purged. It was an interview Maria Bartiromo did with him AFTER he was released from being having been incarcerated in S.A. I found others which backed up the fact that he didn’t lose any of his wealth nor did they strip him of his investments in the U.S. but none of them was the one I was looking for. Sorry!

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                • WSB says:

                  That’s quite alright. We’ll find it. And I completely believe you. I wonder if he may be on a tight rein by MBS?

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                • Dixie says:

                  Wondered the same thing. They, S.A. or U.S. censorship, might have shut him down.

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      • Remington says:

        Zek….I concur. Impliment the lost art of rendition. Who knows…they may even come to live the Hindu Kush. Expand the program to DC. Many folks in that cesspool that need disappearing.

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        • zekness says:

          there is a place nearby..its well known..

          people of corruption, violence, and other disgusting acts, go missing there routinely.

          it’s kind of sad it is to be done this way…but there are some thing you just can’t trust the law to take care of properly..and swiftly…

          I have heard there are other places like this all over the country too.

          Perhaps it takes hold near washington DC…and other “hotspots”..

          Looking forward to hearing some good news for a change.

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  6. dufrst says:

    I guess Trump won’t just have to decouple the US from China but from Saudi Arabia too! Who got us into these entangling relationships?

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  7. George says:

    Perhaps instead of “Protecting the Syrian Oil”, we should be protecting the Saudi oil.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Ain’t no ‘Syrian’ oil top protect, Russia got the rights to exploit the Syrian gas and oil fields before it entered the Syrian/ISIS fight. They save Assad and keep him rich and he’ll insure their exploitation rights are secure.

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      • George 1 says:

        I don’t doubt that Russia got something for stepping in. According to the President we have sent troops to Eastern Syria to protect the oilfields there. Maybe the troops are protecting the Eastern oilfields so the Russians can’t get access to them. In fact we are building two new bases there according to reports from the Pentagon.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          It’s going to be tricky. As I’d said a couple of years ago, the Turks wanted those eastern Syrian provinces that had been part of the Ottoman Empire returned to Turkey…and it looks like they’ve got them.

          Russia wanted to retain the bases it’s had there for decades and the oil/gas rights…and they’ve got them.

          Russia’s gas/oil plans predate the Syrian civil war by a long time, Syria’s been the important part of diversifying Russia’s compromise of Europe/NATO by making Europe almost totally dependant on Russia for natural gas…and Russia’s done a damn good job of it.

          Questions are how big those bases will be there and how big they’ll be.

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  8. Eric says:

    In no way, shape or form represents the Saudi people.

    But guess what they do represent?

    Motives are unclear.

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  9. George 1 says:

    I hope Mr. Gaetz is equally concerned about the thousands of Americans killed by aliens of all types every year and not just those who work for the Air Force.

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    • zekness says:

      I was slightly bothered by his initial response…I get the impression his talking points unnecessarily raised into the discussion some higher security issue rather than just focusing on how to prevent this from happening.

      I hope he will return with a more focused tone.

      I now he is young..but he is also a very smart young man. I do not deny he has a very partriotic bone…and yes, it is a little too soon in the crisis to toss around severe solutions.

      but I hope that the young senator can help our military out here..and start moving to a policy view that starts with how to deal with SA radical islam as the problem.

      that has to be acknowledged and solved.

      not saying war with SA..but a permanent solution to arrange a much higher standard of vetting from both countries…

      we have to be right every single time..the enemy only has to get it right, once.

      so the filter has to be top shelf.

      moving training for SA pilots to nato facilities in the meantime, isn’t a bad idea.

      he should consider it.

      pensacola is a great facility..but candidly I can say, there isn’t ANYTHING uniquely special about the place that can’t happen in europe that already does exist….

      let the europeans deal with these wahhabists…

      seriously.

      why are they even allowed here with those badges?

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  10. Broadsman says:

    We’ve had military from around the world train at NAS Pensacola. This is a good program. Let’s not jump to conclusions or rash actions here. It might well be that better screening is required.

    However, looking at the dude, I’m guessing he’s an INCEL who got dissed by the local females.

    Just a guess, but I think it is a plausible scenario.

    Where the hell was the Shore Patrol? When I worked at NAS Pensacola way back, they had 45s on the hips and M16s in their trucks. Now they have to call in the Sheriff’s deputies.

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    • WSB says:

      This ass only needed one brief look to know he was a problem. Really.

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    • Lurker1 says:

      We’re coming up on thirty years of Al Brothers pranging main mount struts in Evergreen Alabama, screwing up radio calls at Point Charlie, calling wheels down and locked to tower at home field with the wheels actually up and locked, and stinking up the briefing spaces (before the flight).

      Exactly what year and how many Saudis did you witness down in Trader Johns, Seville Quarter, or Flounders scoring with a local girl?

      Does this guy look different or less attractive to the 911 hijackers or AL SHEET MADRAWERS.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Incel? With what, his incel friends all recording this? That’s ridiculous and it parrots the leftist narrative about incels which is a thinly veiled way to attack White males who aren’t leftists.

      Incel is a pejorative with an agenda just like “deplorables” was.

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  11. Jennifer Verner says:

    Send them all home NOW. ENOUGH!

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    • WSB says:

      Suspend the program until there is a 100% guarantee nothing further will happen.

      And there cannot be a 100% guarantee.

      And we should not be spending time on these idiots over in SA either.

      Sorry, MBS. Get your house in order.

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      • WSB says:

        Hey, MBS…convert to Christianity! Just to show us a good sign of faith.

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        • 🍺Gunny66 says:

          Don’t they have a bunch of pilots already trained in SA?

          Train them in their own country…….

          Do you really know what this is?

          This is a bunch of Rich Saudis sending their kids over to America for “pilot training”……when it is actually sending them here for a vacation on their parents…..dime…..Think about it….

          You are young…….you live in Saudi Arabia…What have you got?

          Women who cover their entire bodies…..oil…..and Sand……nothing but Sand…

          Send my butt to America….yeah….a normal young person would break a window…..steal a car…..

          “Hey…..all I got is sand….I want to kill someone”……

          Send em to Gitmo

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          • WSB says:

            I agree, Gunny. Done. Gone. Stop. Rip.

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          • Dixie says:

            BINGO!

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          • Woogumz says:

            Exactly. Longer comment below.
            The Saudis have enough “experience” to do their own training in their own AO and have enough American, British and French “advisors” who ensure familiarity with NATO/Allied systems, equipment and “interoperability”.

            The ones here are politically connected rich brats who don’t care if they ever become competent or not. It is seen as a status symbol and a perq.

            American lives are more important than pandering. Maybe the knowledge that there will be no “escape” to the US/UK/France for their rich will force the much needed and overdue “reforms” internally.

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            • WhiteBoard says:

              its about spending the fully annual budget. training is a good place to lump sum the remaning numbers before the year is up.

              our issue it money handlers. they dont account for any of it worth a sh i t! including impeaching our president for making sure foreign aid is worth it to even give.

              We are not slaves to other countries, and our tax dollars are not theirs to discipline us when we question giving it to them.

              this is sick – 2020 arrest all traitors.

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    • cindylou62 says:

      How about we get Lockheed and Boeing to set up an offshore school to do the training of these people. Why should taxpayers pay for it in dollars and blood.

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      • Woogumz says:

        The Saudis pay for the training, but someone needs to follow the money trail. I am sure that not all of that money gets sent directly to the Navy and solely for training. The money trail will show that the Saudis are here because it’s yet another slush fund to pay off American politicians and/or their families.

        Its time for the Deplorables to decide if American lives mean something or not, or will the WH and Congress be allowed to soothe us with pretty words and insincere rationales why the status quo must continue?

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  12. Loren says:

    It makes me think! Why again do we train pilots from foriegn countries, ‘somewhat rhetorical’ question.
    (1) We could train 5/10 pilots and they could go back home and train their own pilots, (2) Now we have pilots trained by us that do not seem to like Americans much.

    It all seems like a bad idea!

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    • WSB says:

      Why bother training the enemy?

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    • zekness says:

      there is a national security interest…for similar reasons we have nato considerations, US policy acknowledges the threat from Turkey (they just gamed a serious military arms purchase from russia, and likely to posses nukes.)

      but the real reason is that stability in the region ensures that oil markets are not destabilized from regional warfare. The ME is and has always been a hotspot.

      If SA oil supply were to be disrupted in a serious way, it would have global implications far worse than just you and me paying more at the pump.

      1973…do a quick read on the oil crisiss…to get a little suggestion about why protecting and having a deal with the devil in SA is necessary.

      remember, US forces operate in that region …it’s vast..having a reliable local source of fuel oil and logistical strategic home plate, well protected, is a serious deterrence to regional escalation.

      there is also the mission of containing terrorism to that chunk of earth as we have learned the hard way, that taking your eye off the ball even for a moment can produce a vulnerability for the every present threat.

      so the relationship is complex, but necessary

      that is NOT to suggest this idiocy of allowing SA student pilots or students or travelers of any type into this country is an acceptable risk.

      there are nearly 30 separate cases of islamic terrorists who have murdered americans on american soil post 9/11 …many of whom are of SA origin or associates of a SA connection. they all practice radical islam…and this is KNOWN…

      by their acts they will be known.

      one does not have to be a scholar to notice the difference in behavior between a radical islamist and a moderate westernized “civilized” islamist…It’s s a shame our government does seem to want to invest the time to notice that difference and monitor it for our military exchange and joint agreements in training.

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    • CTH Fan says:

      If they buy our very expensive war planes we should at least train them to fly them. Having said that, I would recommend sending flight instructors to their home country and instruct them there.

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  13. pigletrios says:

    WTH! Seems like we never learn….they can all “train” someplace else. This is ridiculous! Prayers to the families for the loss of their loved ones

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  14. Devil in the Blue Drapes says:

    Gosh, if only our IC had some type of surveillance system, whereby they could “keep an eye” on foreign nationals, say from “certain countries”, particularly those with known Islamic terrorism tendencies. Especially those embedded with our military. It would be “proactive” measures per se, and MAYBE these “lone wolves” could’ve been stopped post haste.

    Or if only we had some sort of an AMERICAN social media company, contracted with DoD, possessing capabilities to know in real time what nefarious actors are planning.

    Perhaps a company like Google, who seems to know my inner most thoughts, (probably as I type this in the privacy of my own home), and could respond in kind by reporting to the “hard working men & women, the public servants, dedicated to protecting Americans. I’m thinking Chris Wray’s FBI.

    I demand Congress get busy and enact some measure of national security legislation that would grant our IC authority to proactively surveil foreign actors who would do us harm, while at the same time protecting US citizens 4A rights.

    We could call it something silly, like The Patriot Act. We could even set up a special Court solely for this purpose, to be petitioned only in times such as these. We could call it something specific to ensure it’s used only for terrorists, like the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

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    • zekness says:

      would it surprise you to know that SA elite have a massive share position with google as well some very specialized seo’s agreements from both the browser, os and apps that run in a closed garden in SA?

      yes, you are asking the wrong company to do anything about a SA citizen..

      that dog ain’t ever gonna hunt

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      • Devil in the Blue Drapes says:

        Perhaps I shouldn’t have been so vague in my sarcasm. Silly me, I thought sarcasm by its very nature is nuanced, thus requiring the recipient less of a deep dive into the minutia, instead focusing on the overall intent of the message.

        Yes, I’m aware the Sauds are major shareholders in US “developed” SM companies like Google, and are the second largest shareholder in Twitter, as well as a 2.3% investment in SnapChat. I’m also aware China owns major media companies in Hollywood. What’s your point?

        Pointing out SM companies, by their very nature are designed to capture all our data to use as marketing tools to manipulate our behavior was not to suggest they are responsible for surveillance in matters of national security. Nay, that would be our very own governmental agencies such as NSA or The Company’s Vault 7 programs….The Hammer.

        Regardless of the surveillance apparatus, whether its a US sanctioned agency or our Five Eyes partners, or even social media companies contracted with govt agencies, the fact that our govt has allowed a San Bernardino, a Pulse Nightclub, Garland Tx, Las Vegas, Pensacola Naval Base….I could go on,
        to happen, while laser focused on ppl like Flynn, Page, Trump, is THE point.

        I didn’t think it necessary to draw a conclusive line between the surveillance of US citizens BY US IC agencies v the “failure” to utilize said surveillance designed to prevent/capture foreign actors.

        But thanks for the “lesson” in pointing out the relationship between browser/OS/Apps. That was helpful. Now do AI.

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    • 2Alpha says:

      You raise good points, but neglect to understand that the Saudis own most of the social media companies and have operatives like John Brennan in our so-called Intelligence Community.
      So… We’re already at a disadvantage. It’s gonna take the military to get involved here at home… God Bless The Marines!

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  15. Magabear says:

    All 6 I’m sure were austere religious scholars……..besides being murdering lunatics.

    The religion of peace. Yeah, right.

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  16. Trumpeter says:

    Wow, a Saudi pilot in training kills Americans.

    WHO would have even thought that was possible?

    /s

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  17. Elric VIII says:

    We’ve been training foreign pilots in classes with our own pilots at Pensacola for almost 50 years and this is the first incident. Would it be better to send our trainers over there? The possibility is always there, but there is no doubt that we need to tighten up our vetting regimen.

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    • Lurker1 says:

      Our Pensacola area squadron had several Saudis when 911 happened (I had just landed with my first student). When the Ari Fleischer press conferences started focusing on the NETSAFA passport and Pensacola Davis Hwy apartment complex found on one of the Al Ghambdi brothers, I checked my logbook. Thankfully I didn’t train them. Our skipper gave us the option of calling in sick with the remaining students when we started scheduling them again months later. Once again, NETSAFA became news. A May 2002 midair involved another Al Ghambdi in Pensacola, two T39s, I think everyone died. An Al Ghambdi was the instructor in one of the jets. Kind of a family business I guess.

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    • Woogumz says:

      You are wrong. This is not the first incident with Saudi students, it’s just so over the top that the press must report it.
      There have been MANY incidents with Saudi students training at Pensacola.
      Stop being so naive. Ask yourself, why are they here, and who benefits?

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  18. Mike in a Truck says:

    Aviation students. Saudi nationals. Its “deju vu all over again”.

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    • Woogumz says:

      Yep.
      And apparently several of them that were in training at Pensacola have gone “missing”, just like the Afghans brought here who immediately went AWOL.
      Let’s not forgot all the Iraqi interpreters brought here after petitioning by US troops who have committed absolutely vile crimes, including the brutual rape of an American woman who had to be surgically repaired.
      The Saudis need us alot more than we need them, esp with Texas bringing US energy independence online bigly. It is time to put our security and our values first.
      I have lived in Riyadh during the “modernization” MBS is attempting. Their values are not compatibile with our values and it’s time we stopped pretending otherwise and speak truth.

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  19. Gary Lacey says:

    Apparently, GOD will deal with the muslim pestilence.

    3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

    4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

    5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

    6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

    7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

    8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the *latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

    *Note: In the latter years…………..I believe that is very soon!

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  20. Jimmy Jack says:

    To call this terrorism oversimplifies what’s really going on with these Saudi nationals who train with the US. I know it sounds crazy but George Webb has been exposing this for several years now and Pensacola has come up numerous times regarding Saudis. They’re all over Florida and in flight schools – not just the military trainees but their civilians as well. I’d encourage anyone interested to find him on YouTube. There’s probably a playlist but he’d also direct you to which videos to watch.

    Saudi trainees were also at the Las Vegas shooting. I really hope this renews public interest in that obvious cover up and starts a vigorous investigation on that incident. I don’t think we’ve gotten the truth on that either.

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    • Woogumz says:

      Not to mention the Afghani officers brought here for “training” who went AWOL and melted into the US and have yet to be found.

      POTUS tweet that King Salman called him was a signal to us deplorables that corrupt Saudi money is more important than American lives and security. All of these muslims from all these countries “training” in our flight schools, hospitals, etc are huge security risks to us. POTUS seems content to accept a faux apology and continue with the status quo. Heck, he even has the FL delegation rushing to the microphones to “explain” why the Saudis are here, and will continue to remain here, righteous Deplorable anger and concerns brushed aside. It is sickening.

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  21. digleigh says:

    REMOVE ALL SAUDIS.FLA TRAINED Pilot REDUX 911…….WTH??? Stop use of any oil from the Middle East…The INTEL’S are useless….too busy covering up a coup, covering for Marxist plotters,Dem activists, following folks they prevented NOTHING!!! LAS VEGAS coverup, pulse night club, Boston bombing fail,San Bernandino slaughter…..just off the top of my head… Have they actually stopped any besides a handful of lone wolves that they provocateur themselves?? MEN OF AMERICA STAY VIGILENT AND DEFEND THIS COUNTRY….FORGET DEPT. HOMELAND SO CALLED SECURITY, FBI,CIA, DNI, STATE DEPT. ETC….THEY ARE TOO BUSY FRAMING a President…..And do not rely on intel from the Middle East…they are busy trying to cover up their blackmail Mossad operations ( Epstein/Maxwell/Maxwell )……
    ..

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  22. Les Standard says:

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  23. digleigh says:

    To be nonpc but Biblical….. Ishmael and his descendants…Genesis 16:12….angel of the Lord to Hagar…” He will be a wild man;his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren “………YEP Omar. ” SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING”..WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

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  24. digleigh says:

    To be nonpc but Biblical….. Ishmael and his descendants…Genesis 16:12….angel of the Lord to Hagar…” He will be a wild man;his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren “………YEP Omar. ” SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING”..WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

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    • IGiveUp says:

      Never understood the point of that story. In my opinion, to me, that is one of the weirdest stories in the bible. Abraham basically makes Hagar his wife, they have a child together, his first born son, and later Hagar and Ishmael are kicked out in favor of Sarah and Isaac. But God comes and speaks to Hagar and promises a great nation would come from Ishmael but the Jewish nation would come through Isaac.

      Why why why? What’s the reason, the point. I’ve read some religious explanations of what this means, literally and allegorically, and it goes way over my head every time.

      Islam is a violent dangerous ideology. But that doesn’t mean I get why God would bless and curse Hagar and Ishmael, or what the point is of making their line so powerful and yet so problematic. What’s the point of this story?

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  25. IGiveUp says:

    Our intel agencies –all 17– are understandably unable to vet, and watch, or even prevent foreign Muslim men who are allowed access to our military installations from committing terrorist attacks in the US as they are too busy running the coup and spying on Americans.

    As for making pretty speeches, save them for AFTER you’ve done you job.

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    • Les Standard says:

      1. Defense Intelligence Agency
      2. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
      3. National Reconnaissance Office
      4. National Security Agency
      5. Military Intelligence Corps
      6. Office of Naval Intelligence
      7. Twenty-Fifth Air Force
      8. Marine Corps Intelligence
      9. Coast Guard Intelligence
      10. Office of Intelligence and Analysis
      11. Central Intelligence Agency
      12. Bureau of Intelligence and Research
      13. Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
      14. Office of National Security Intelligence
      15. Intelligence Branch
      16. Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence
      17. Director of National Intelligence

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  26. Richard Boyd says:

    Just a little history garnered first hand when I worked for the Ministry Of Defense and Aviation, in Saudi Arabia, from 1983 to 1987. The Royal Saudi Air Force has always been a problem for the Saudi monarchy.

    In 1969, the Saudi Air Force attempted an overthrow of the monarchy. Bombing and assaulting the palace. The fight lasted several days, and was finally put down by the Armored Corps. (I worked directly for the son of the Armored Corps general who lead the attack against the Air Force, and eventually defeated them). As a result of the failed coup, there was a purge of Air Force officers, and for decades after, the Air Force was the least favored branch of the Saudi military.

    The Air Force also, in 1979, shot down a Pakistani jumbo jet full of ~300 Hadjis returning from Mecca. The original cause was reported to be Hadji’s cooking in flight with charcoal stoves (which indeed did happen on more than one flight). However, the actual cause was later found to be that a Saudi Air Force missile battery on the outskirts of Jedda, actually did it. In yet another attempt by the Air Force to embarrass the monarchy in the muslim world, as well as to damage relations with Saudi Arabia’s strong ally, Pakistan. There was another, smaller purge of officers after that one, too.

    Then again, in the early 80’s (82, or 83), a Saudi F-14 shot down one of the King’s (Fahad, I think) favorite nephews as he flew his private plane over what the Saudis call the Gulf Of Arabia (aka the Persian Gulf). From that point on (at least during my time there) Saudi pilots flew their planes, but Americans (contractors, primarily) were the weapons officers.

    I’m sure there have been other incidents of insubordination from the Saudi Air Force, since I was there, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Air Force played a roll in the latest attempted coup when Salman, his son, Mohammad bin Salman (MBS), became King, and Crown Prince, respectively.

    I view this latest act by Saudi Air Force officers to be just another attempt to embarrass, and damage Salman, and MBS, and to damage Saudi relations with the United States. I hope, as I write this, there are members of the Royal Saudi Air Force, being thrown naked and near death, from helicopters into the empty quarter.

    May God bless and keep those Americans killed in this cowardly terrorist attack. May those responsible for it rot in prison, and burn in hell!

    —————-
    BTW, After my three years immersed in islam, Saudi Arabia, and the Middle East, I came home and did my best to warn and inform anyone I met of the threat coming from islam, and how not one muslim is a freind of the United States. I was continually appalled by the total lack of concern, and how my views were considered crazy by almost everyone I talked to here. I still feel that things have not changed much …

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    • IGiveUp says:

      Thanks for that insider view. It will be interesting to see how long that family holds on to power in Arabia. Here and there you see inklings that they’re not as secure as the media generally portrays them to be.

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    • Mike says:

      I can add a observation. I lived in Kuwait for a year and was asked what was my religion. Told them I didn’t have one and this cause a heated discussion among 3 Muslims. One asked me what religion my parents were. I replied Christian, another heated discussion among themselves, then they turned to me and said I was a Christian. In that moment understood the difference between our cultures. Muslims are yoked to Islam by birth not by choice.

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    • Mad Mike says:

      Thanks for posting Richard.

      You know, I can’t help but wonder why now?

      This does make me think back to the beginning of the Trump presidency and the flak that he got from leftists for advocating the (selective) Muslim travel ban, along with enforcing the border.

      I’m not so sure it’s a simple terrorist attack but then I’m always looking for manipulation anymore. Wouldn’t the media love some ammo for their racist accusations? It seems the rage over the border and “holding cells” has died down and impeachment needs fans in the seats.

      Maybe the hope is that President Trump takes some action that can be used against him? If I got to make the call on what happens to this guy and what we do next, the Left would have me painted up and presented as an Islamophobic racist before I could finish my statement. I expect (and see) many here feel the same.

      Is it possible that someone in our government or military could have been behind this? I know there are some that hate our President so badly, I can’t imagine any tactic being off the table.

      Then again, maybe it’s just another terrorist attack on our home turf. The timing just makes me very suspicious.

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    • My position on islam and muslims, in general:

      Islam is not a religion, it is a murder cult that spreads because it commands its followers to kill all those who won’t convert or submit. Sure, some of its followers don’t have the stones to actually carry out that command, but they’re going to side with those who will, when things come to a head.

      No muslim will ever be my friend, or welcome in my home. They should be expelled from America if they refuse to abandon their vile ideology.

      Their organizations like CAIR, ISNA, AMA, MSA, etc, should be designated as terror organizations and treated accordingly. The leaders should be rounded up and tried for supporting terrorism. If they are not natural born citizens, they should deported when their criminal sentences have been served.

      Their mosques should be closed, and the property seized as reparations for their crimes. Let them suffer the fate their vile cult manual commands them to do to others.

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    • Woogumz says:

      There is NO reason for Saudi Nationals or any other muslim country to be here training or attending our service schools. My spouse went through primary training at Pensacola in the early 90’s, the Saudis then were all politcally connected, incompetetent, arrogant and treated all American women like they were whores, including fellow student officers. They were never reprimanded or made to conform to Western standards or ideals. In the late 90’s, a Saudi student officer raped a small child in Blackwater State Park. It became a
      “diplomatic” incident and the officer was quietly removed from country. No closure or justice for the family or the victim. It should be noted that students from the middle east are no longer welcome at the major private commercial training schools either, and not because of 9/11, but because of their attitude and treatment of staff and refusal to accept corrective training/guidance.

      The Saudis have the capability to do their own training syllabus in country. They have the facilities, the space and the money to buy the requisite pre-jet training aircraft and simulators. The Saudis are essentially, IMHO, lazy and still maintain many American contractors as advisors to their forces and continue to treat the Americans like the hired help, rather than advisors/trainers. One company, Vinnell Arabia, has had the same “training” contract through the DOD-OPM-DOS since 1973 to provide staffing and advisors to the Saudi National Guard. No learning has occured, but I am sure the training contract, administered by a company jointly owned by a Saudi National and a retired American general, is nothing more than a giant slush fund for fund redistribution.

      President Trump’s suck up to KSA and their false “apology” is very, very disconcerting to me.

      Again, there is no reason for any Saudi or officer from any muslim country to be here in training. Don’t forget the Afghani officers brought here for training who “disappeared”
      once they arrived in the USA. They went AWOL and have yet to be found.

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      • MelH says:

        President Trump has an over-flowing plate right now, and i wonder what you THINK he should have done instead of accepting their apology. If he had his way, there would be no Muslims in this country, but YOU try discussing the Muslims and Sharia Law with your family, friends and neighbors. You’ll be fast labeled a “bigot against diversity.” I don’t mind the label. In my day, those who prized diversity put their kids into student-exchange programs. Yes we believed it was good for kids to learn about different peoples, but mainly because we believed it gave our kids greater appreciation for having been born a citizen of the USA.

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        • Woogumz says:

          He should have made a very strong statement condemning the violence from one of our “guests” and promised a thorough investigation. He should leverage this tragedy to get rid of them and reset the relationship with KSA and with Israel. KSA sends petrodollars which we recycle back to Israel while major well funded leftist Jewish organizations push diversity and unlimited immigration from non-European countries to destroy the cohesiveness of our culture and society. KSA and both Israel demand the right to be ethnically and religiously homogeneous states. If KSA wants to be a part of the Western world, they need to accept Western values. They fund extreme Wahhabi schools here, while Christians are not allowed to practice their religion. Heck, Americans got reported to the Religious police for holding Masonic meetings inside KSA. Enough of this one-sided BS. America First means standing up for American values and refusing to make exceptions for others when there is NO reciprocity. When muslim countries are willing to reciprocate with freedoms etc including tolerance of other religions inside THEIR borders then maybe we can revisit the issue.

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          • MelH says:

            I’ve long admired the President’s timing , which is designed for maximum impact. I trust him to “strongly condemn” when the timing is right. The Democrats have long criticized him for not condemning Putin, seconds after inauguration , but two quotes come to mind; “You catch more flies with honey”, and “Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.” Patience and trust have worked for us Treepers, so far.

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  27. Emuuuu says:

    Yeah, open those fokking borders now. Let this evil walk right in. (sarc of course)

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  28. Emuuuu says:

    Show of hands democrats … who among you are demanding removal of guns from citizens after this? Oh wait, that whole diversity thing is getting in the way isn’t it?

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  29. Zachary Navarre says:

    Gaetz gives the Democrats a run for their money and exposes in less than 5 minutes the chicanery that is the impeachment.

    Days later some saudis shoot up his district.

    Coincidence?

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  30. Jimmy Jack says:

    I believe this was a targeted hit, not all random targets. There will be collateral damage do cover this up though unfortunately. The larger number of people recording this than shooting confirms that belief for me. Guns are easy to access so multiple shooters would have given them a higher body count if that was their goal. While the videos could (and will) be used for recruiting jihadists they also offer proof of death.

    I plan to look at the names of the dead and wounded carefully but I hope someone with far more knowledge than me dives into that rabbit hole.

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  31. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    That was a really great statement by Matt Gaetz. He explained why these people are here and promised “extreme vetting”.

    We live in a culture that seems civil, right? But there are still plenty of uncivil people around who will take advantage. We need to be more vigilant. The pressure to be tolerant and accepting, to be kind to others before we even know who they are … it’s not conducive to survival.

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    • Woogumz says:

      Yeah, and we all heard that same BS argument when complaints were lodged about Saudis at Pensacola pre-911. And that’s what it is, complete BS.

      The objectives – making sure there is “Interoperability” with “allied” (snort) Saudi forces and they feel “comfortable” working with American officers is complete and utter horse hockey. They don’t need to be HERE to achieve that direction. Are we to assume that they must be here because they will be defending US airspace? Better that they gain this “training” and “interoperability” and “comfort” in their own AO.

      As far as the BS about “feeling comfortable” around American officers, again, this is complete garbage. Any Saudi in any branch of the Saudi military has alot of experience around American officers, because they don’t do anything for themselves. Their American, British and French contractors and “advisors” do and their third nworational mercenaries do their dirty work for them.

      They are here because it is seen as prestigious to train in the US or UK. It has nothing to do with the need for training. I am sure there is a giant tidal wave. of hidden payments, kickbacks, slush funds to keep the status quo.

      We need to wake up and express our outrage and demand ALL of them go and go NOW. Just think of the economic boost for American defense contract ors when the Saudis and the rest of the Gulf Cooperative Council (GCC) has to buy all new training aircraft as they set up their own in-house training programs. There are enough American trained Saudi pilots now that they can have their own in house training with their own in house American trained Instructor Pilots.
      GET. THEM. OUT. NOW.

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    • Dixie says:

      I’m cynical and not politically correct. I am suspicious of anyone who even looks like they might be from the Middle East, so I profile too. And if they have their head wrapped in a towel, even the women are suspect including that female who hands my order through the drive thru window at McDonalds. They all have the same purpose and it’s not our so-called freedoms they seek. They’ve been invading for 1400 years and they’ve never been secretive about their purpose to kill.

      This thread has been a real education and nothing short of sending them all home will make me feel secure.

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  32. DSP2 says:

    The United States needs to stop being a whore to Saudi oil money. We do not need their culture, religion nor alliance.

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  33. wtd says:

    No individual who identifies with Islam should be trusted and should immediately be disqualified for any degree of national security vetting.

    …”war is deceit” (Hadith 4:269) and Islam specifically provides the
    coinage of jihad economies :
    tools better known as taqiyya, tawriya, kitman and muruna https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a23d4c8bc075084cae09f19a1d8f5d3f7ddc77eb29866cc4679e43d751486082.jpg

    The great purge of these details must be revisited and addressed:

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  34. repsort says:

    Where the hell were the MPs? The Sheriff had to come in and put a stop to it..
    That’s freaking embarrassing if you ask me.
    hang em all, quickly and publicly.
    What we’ll end up doing is guaranteeing safe passage back to KSA on a private jet…
    We should be at the steps of the White House with pitchforks demanding embargo of KSA, or worse. This is unacceptable and they should be held to account.
    But we won’t – we’ll hoist our flags to 1/2 mast, donate blood, send our thoughts and prayers from the safety of our couches as we peck away at our keyboards…. til the next thing catches our attention.
    America is dying of “I don’t give a f(*&”.

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    • Woogumz says:

      All international students were treated, and I am sure, still are, treated with kid gloves for fear of offense or any other career-ending “diplomatic/international” incident. How many people died because there were “discussions” about jurisdictions and appropriate response? In the modern military, optics and career safety trump the right thing, every time. This is the logical conclusion to an exquisitely tuned social justice warrior officer cadre. Better the locals (Sheriffs Dept) respond, solve and absorb the fallout of any “incorrect” or “heavy handed” response to our special snowflake “guests”.

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  35. coltlending says:

    Those eyes alone scream that guy should have been launched from the area before he went allah.

    Simple test renounce militant Islam and eat a ham sandwich once a month.

    Prayers to the families of the victims.

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  36. Diddian says:

    Certainly we can find at least a small number of soldiers who can be trusted and trained to conceal carry on base, so that at all times there is a present and ready response to threat of our forces that cannot be detected until their action is called for.

    It is beyond insane to expose them to this risk.

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    • zekness says:

      there are, we do..

      however, there are spots that are not rigorously protected….some of this has to do with threat assessment determinations.

      and in other cases, there are stated policies that direct armed security to NOT be present. Areas, such as chow halls and training facilities.

      as you would imagine this “insider” had plenty of months to case the weak unprotected areas. and chose his attacks accordingly.

      having spent a great deal of time forming risk assessment and force protection plans with the military in Hawai’i, I am focusing now, on what went wrong with gate security.

      It doesn’t matter to be in this view, the assailant was a radical islamist, the force protection and technology and body scans should have been mandatory because it enforces “base” regulations. Basically, I question how the force protection could not have detected that this student pilot had a weapon….and how it was transited from off base to on base.

      that needs to be the focus…

      and not simply for a radical jihad scenario.

      there are other types of risks that a proper functioning force protection team must be zeroed in on.

      It’s a sad reality, but the likelihood of active shooter and killing has increased quite a bit from inside the “walls”.

      internally, NAS pensacola needs to determine what went wrong. was it training? was it a lack of operational awareness? was it a lack of intermittent monitoring ? was it something that was allowed to pass as low threat? was it that certain classes of personnel are not checked rigoously?

      many questions.

      I will presume that NAS and all other military facilities, ramp back up to post 911 requirements…

      it will help mitigate against these threats ..

      and obviously the matter of allowing islamists who are KNOWN to be radical needs to stop immediately.

      There is NOT going to be any reduction in US national security from a pause from taking these appropriate measures.. If anything it will produce a higher state of readiness.

      The navy needs to resist any efforts of politics here. It’s too important.

      I find it comforting that trump recently ejecting the secretary of the Navy. The timing to attend to this matter with the seriousness is quite remarkable.

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  37. Luz Maria Rodriguez says:

    So, “diversity” as defined and pushed by the progressives is the way of the future?
    Only for fools and the suicidal.
    Other civilizations fell ill to that idea too and they self selected out of the race.
    Discrimination and discernment, in fact, are required, silly people.

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  38. Sue says:

    So very sad for these fine young men and their families. Heroes, all. One of the casualties was a young man who had recently graduated from the US Naval Academy.
    This trajedy is reminiscent of 9-11. Why are we still training foreign pilots? Saudi Arabia has plenty of money to train its own pilots.

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  39. Fergus Boone says:

    How did a foreign nation get firearms onto an American military base? Presumably the other three Saudis filming the attack were also Saudi military types. The terrorist spent the night before partying with fellow jihadists by watching terrorists attack films? What sort of vetting is done.

    Which then leds one to ask why should Muslims be trained in the USA rather than in Muslim countries?

    The Saudi government should be forced to pay a massive fine to the families of the dead and wounded, and I mean massive so that these morons will realize that should it occur again their nation will have to beg to buy another camel.

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  40. Jimmy Jack says:

    I haven’t seen the list of the names of the wounded yet. The names of the killed do ring an alarm and further support my theory that there was a specific target that ties to ratline trafficking etc. Mohammed Haithan of St. Petersburg Florida (Panella’s County I believe) sets off my spider senses and rings all kinds of alarm bells. Florida is a swamp of globalist deep state trafficking.

    I will pray specifically that this is a catalyst to exposing this ongoing lawless treason and criminality. I hope others will join me in this prayer.

    I feel terrible for the parents of those young kids, killed in the US on a military base no less. I can’t even imagine.

    https://nypost.com/2019/12/08/second-victim-named-in-deadly-pensacola-shooting-was-also-a-navy-trainee/

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      It’s also telling that Haithan’s photo is the only one included even though others are available and linked to in the story w hyperlinks.

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  41. AloftWalt says:

    IMHO, this act is another false flag. Follow the money. Think about it. This guy was a trained military jet aircraft pilot expected to graduate in Aug 2020. If he were indeed radicalized, he could have taken an aircraft, gone rogue and crashed it into a populated target within a hundred or so miles surrounding PNAS and taken out 10’s or even 100’s of people.

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