Dobbs and Fitton Discuss Vindman’s “Deep State” Coup Effort….

Fox Business Host Lou Dobbs and President of Judicial Watch Tom Fitton discuss the testimony of Lt. Col Vindman and his congressional admission to usurp the executive power of the President.

The word “coup” shifted to a new level of formalized meaning last week when members of the political resistance showed up to remove President Trump wearing military uniforms.

Not only did U.S. military leadership remain silent to the optics and purpose, but in the testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman he admits to giving instructions to ignore the instructions from a sitting United States President.

In the absence of push-back from the Joint Chiefs, from this moment forth, the impression is tacit U.S. military support for the Vindman objective. (read more)

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211 Responses to Dobbs and Fitton Discuss Vindman’s “Deep State” Coup Effort….

  1. mefotobug says:

    “…from this moment forth…” Well said, Sundance! If this is not the case, they need to make that abundantly clear to the citizens of this country, immediately!

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  2. All Too Much says:

    How many more of Schiff’s ‘witnesses’ show up in uniform?

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  3. graficgod says:

    don’t go thinking those in the bureaucracy think you’re the boss. they’re gonna have to be shown. most likely the hard way.

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    • The Boss says:

      That may be why the tubby colonel is being left where he can be watched. And listened to. And. maybe even [redacted]

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Well, the military certainly had no problem being purged by O’bama.

      Or, that’s what I was led to believe by officer turnover. I have no idea maybe the turnover was in line with historic trends.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        it was around the time the nuke went missing in the States – and the generals in charge were later fired for gambling and other stupid crap.. almost like a dirty bomb was authorized by obama to go off, and they rebeled against him .

        Mattis was fired by obama also – which is why im not convinced KELLY is a bad guy. Haley is playing her angle , but she did tell us she told the president when tillerson and kelly talked of resisting..

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        • Elle says:

          “Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country … Tillerson went on to tell me the reason he resisted the president’s decisions was because, if he didn’t, people would die.”

          I think “resisting” is a loaded word. So they weren’t “yes-men”. What is wrong with that?

          Now I haven’t followed this so if they got to the point where Trump said to execute and they went behind his back to resist his orders, then that’s a big deal. But letting it be known that they strongly disagreed seems like a good thing..

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          • pbr22 says:

            She said in an interview today that Trump ordered Tillerson to not send money to some country and he went ahead and sent half anyway.. Bad actor.

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        • Linda K. says:

          I never thought Kelly was a bad guy. I went looking for an article that said he had done something wrong…did not see one. I can’t believe how many people, reporters and so on, are writing books. Haley is not charismatic. And Sundance has branded her the female Mitt Romney. She is dead to me now.

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  4. Zorro says:

    Perhaps in a country with presumption of innocence, due process, and rule of law this wouldn’t happen like it does in Washington, DC (Demo Communist).

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  5. Actually, Sundance, I really just can’t share in your draconian opinion.

    This soldier – nevermind his rank – is just one guy. Although he is certainly enjoying his “fifteen minutes of notoriety” while wearing his government-issue uniform, while basking in the glow of an extremely-absurd government committee, I cannot by any stretch of my imagination thereby conclude that he actually represents the official policy nor position of the United States Military.

    Therefore, I hardly see any reason for “the Joint Chiefs of Staff(!)” to give answer to this idiot. (Don’t they have far more important things to do?)

    Neither do I see reason to believe that the foreign persons to whom he gave these “instructions to ignore the President” would have actually interpreted those instructions to be anything other than – well – “the mouthings of a self-important and excessively-politicized … idiot.” It is entirely likely (IMHO) that they merely rolled their eyes.

    The mere fact that you are legally entitled to dress yourself in the symbolic trappings of the US Military does not(!) mean that ‘you symbolize’ the US Military, nor its viewpoints, policies, nor contemplated actions. Neither does the failure of the command structures within said organization to “immediately transform you into a pillar of salt” equate to any sort of seal of approval regarding your actions.

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    • luke says:

      You certainly make a good point Mike.

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    • G. Alistar says:

      NSA Director Robert OBrian mentioned Sunday that Vindmann would be moved out of the NSA as part of a downsizing move. Nothing else said about why in that interview. Perhaps to avoid making him a martyr to the ult – left, resistance and media. Anyone who thinks the Vindmann interview, even with highly partisan lawyers working hard to protect him, helped Schiff’s impeachment coup, is smoking mind warping drugs. This entire fiasco is falling apart.

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      • 1stgoblyn says:

        He will be moved as part of a downsizing b/c he is on a ‘Detail’ to his current position. He will be gone from there in another 7 months or so. VSPGPDJT is doing what needs to be done to this bloated government by downsizing, but not fast enough IMHO.

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    • Justin Green says:

      I think it boils down to whether he’s still military or simply ex-military.

      If he’s currently military, he should be courtmartialed. If he’s not, then he should just be fired and brought up on charges of colluding with a foreign country. Either way, this guy is a damned disgrace to the uniform.

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      • tucker7518 says:

        Vindman can be charged with a 18 USC 798 for sharing a classified call with others

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        • Yes, he is a disgrace to his uniform and he might one day be court martialed, but right now I think he’s most valuable to continue to hang himself however he may. Give him some more rope and watch what he says next.

          Also remember: “he is a liar.” He didn’t share a classified call because he didn’t actually hear one – he is only there to say to the committee whatever it wants and to make a symbolic image for the TV cameras. Now that Schiff & Co. realize that they don’t have any actual criminal offense, they’re literally trying to make one up, then adorn the House with judicial powers that Constitutionally it does not possess, and pass off a Bill of Attainder – expressly unconstitutional – as “justification” for the punishment of impeachment. They are gathering false testimony anywhere they can find it, in an effort to eject a President who is a threatening to expose their crimes.

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      • pbr22 says:

        If you are an officer in the US military you are always reserved, even after you leave or retire.

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    • G. Alistar says:

      Q: did LTC Vindmann volunteer to do this interview or did Schiff’s team subpoena him? I note that Vindmann’s lawyers would not let him answer any questions about his prior contact with Schiff or his committee.

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      • Justin Green says:

        I don’t know the answer to that, but I did note Ratcliffe did a fair job of bring up the issue of outright insubordination to the Commander in Chief. If he’s still considered part of the military service, he should be facing a court martial right now.

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        • Absolutely the insubordination and hubris is writ in Neon Lights a hundred feet tall and the righteous administrative retribution for it should be SWIFT and DECISIVE. That Vindman puke should get an insubordination reality check like few enjoy, all day every day using a sledge hammer and making little rocks out of big rocks somewhere in Alaska would seem about right.

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      • steph_gray says:

        I thought I read here earlier that what the SchifForBrains have been sending out are actually strongly worded letters. They are without any force of law, because the “impeachment” “inquiry” has no force of law for actual subpoenas without an actual impeachment vote.

        Did I understand that incorrectly?

        I don’t like using the perfectly clear English words “spy,” “subpoena,” and “whistleblower” the lying way the leftists do…

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        • eguthr3 says:

          YES, they are NOT subpoena’s, they are just letters because issuing subpoenas means going before a court of law. A subpoena can only be issued by a clerk of court, magistrate, attorney, or judge. The person responding to the subpoena typically has 10 days to respond, and can request longer response, depending on the circumstances. Issuing a subpoena cost $8.00 and serving one can cost between $75 to $100 depending on the jurisdiction or state. They can ONLY ISSUE A SUBPOENA if this was a ”real” impeachment inquiry, which Nancy Pelosi still hasn’t brought that up for a House vote. She knows she still doesn’t have the votes to officially call for a House vote. What they voted on that Thursday morning was on the ‘rules” of impeachment. This was to provide cover for the democrats who represent a district or a state that President Trump won in 2016 and they fear losing their seat if they did. These democrats really think the people are as stupid as they are or their base. If they were real subpoenas, these Trump administration officials could be arrested and face jail time, but that won’t happen here because THEY ARE JUST LETTERS TO APPEAR before the House committee.

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    • GB Bari says:

      While yours is not an unreasonable position, Sundance is focusing more on the “optics” of the witness which, we are constantly reminded bye the media, is so important.

      This is not an inconsequential activity going on in Schiffty’s Star Chamber, this is the potential fraudulent, politically-motivated removal of a sitting US President. The US military command better darn site be aware of the optics of the situation when **any** military are involved. Despite Vindman not being a flag officer, the optics are still the same as far as Joe Sixpack may be aware.

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      • WhiteBoard says:

        it would be a nice gesture for the military to correct him or make a statement they are not involved in this.. versus allowing an officer to create the impression they are involved thereby tricking the public into thinking pdjt is so dangerous the military might step in.. Tillerson, kelly, etc.

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        • GB Bari says:

          I think that’s what Sundance is implying with his noting of the optics. Unless the top brass distance themselves from Vindman, they are signaling tacit approval, despite Vindman’s admitted insubordination.

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      • Republicanvet91 says:

        Speaking of optics…

        “In the absence of push-back from the Joint Chiefs, from this moment forth, the impression is tacit U.S. military support for the Vindman objective.”

        I would ask, what kind of public action would be considered appropriate enough push-back by the Joint Chiefs to show they do not support the coup?

        What action could they take in the middle of this coup without being accused of undue Command Influence?
        Again, this is a political issue regardless of what Vindman is wearing. Optically, he is also considered a “star witness” by Schifty and the rest of the rabid left. I could hear them screaming now that POTUS was obstructing their investigation if Vindman was fired now. Hell, they are already claiming retaliation.
        Wherever he ends up, his career is over. He will never be trusted again.
        Is something happening to him now? How would we know if a military investigation under UCMJ is happening?

        We know much more of the Barr and Durham investigation, and that has been going on for some time. Military investigations go on all the time, and the public hears even less about them.

        Do I like it? No. I would rather see Vindman stripped of his rank and exchanging his uniform for a Leavenworth prison uniform.

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      • shirley49 says:

        I would love for Flynn to show up in full uniform when he goes to court.

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    • Realist says:

      Actively issuing instructions to directly disobey the Presidents expressed will is the perfect example of TREASONOUS BEHAVIOUR.

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    • WSB says:

      Understood, Mike.

      I take SD to imply that no matter who advised this guy to don his uniform, the ante was just upped. So, if Schiff asked him, Schiff may have a conspiracy problem.

      And no one from the armed services has said,”Boo!” Yet.

      Now, this afternoon, I saw a vet and past NSC soldier being interviewed on OANN who was making the same point.

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    • 4220ma says:

      He will I believe, pay for his actions. Just wait and watch. There seems to be a lot of wait these days. He will be given a command spot over nothing. He will never make full bird and all of his peers will shun him. He is a disgrace to the Army and to the uniform he was wearing.

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      • meow4me2 says:

        What is the appropriate response to insubordination? What if the insubordination is part of a coup attempt? What’s the appropriate response then? Not military, so I don’t know how these things are typically handled – plain insubordination, not coup. Anyone with knowledge who can enlighten me, please speak up. Thanks.

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        • Chip Doctor says:

          It looks like everyone is getting away with what is going on. IMO, justice is coming. If Durham charges all these people with conspiracy, the more that get smoked out the better.

          If there was ever any naivete on the side of PT that there would be a peaceful transfer of power and that he would be allowed to be president like those before him, it died the day Rogers paid him a visit. I can only imagine how he felt and what he thought when he learned that he was being spied on and set up. And remember….we don’t know exactly what all Rogers told him. Nor do we know what Nunes told him the day he came out of the SCIF looking like he had seen a ghost.

          “I caught them all. Nobody but me could have done that.” Those words sound like they came from a man that has been running the biggest sting operation ever.

          The more these people are allowed to run free breaking the law without fear, the bolder and stupider they get. Every single one of these bastards are outing themselves in front of the American people. This is part of the effort to inform the public of what is going on.

          I still think that PT has asked Lindsay to hold off on hearings. If he has the goods on exposing the coup, why stop it three months ago? Why not make sure that Ciaramella, Vindman, and all the others go down too. Schiff’s sedition is being exposed to everyone.

          President Trump is one smart man. He has proven to be smarter than ALL of them. He can play dirtier than all of them, he just does it lawfully. When these people are brought down it will be a beautiful thing to watch. He’s got this and the hammer is going to fall soon.

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  6. JohnCasper says:

    LTC. Vindman was cut from the same putrid cloth as was General Kelly. I wonder if those two disgraces to the uniform have been in communication, directly or through intermediaries,

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    • Former lurker says:

      I’m holding fire on Kelly. Not working well with PDJT isn’t a crime, nor does it erase the service and sacrifice that General Kelly and his family have made for this country. Having Nikki Haley talking smack about him in her book doesn’t change my opinion of him one inch to the negative.

      Lt. Col. Vindman is another kettle of fish, and wasn’t playing politics as a retired military man. He wore the uniform to do so.

      In such a high profile case, when others have paid a price for writing letters to the editor critical of the CIC and while merely identifying themselves as military officers, it is important the the Army depoliticise themselves publicly, loudly and quickly.

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      • Roni says:

        I agree with comments about General Kelly.
        And, FLOTUS like him….which counts for something.

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      • dimbulbz says:

        I am chocking up General Kelly’s issue to arrogance, not sedition. He was a big deal in his own mind. That’s not sedition, just a bigger ego than brains. and His brain is a big one.

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      • CM-TX says:

        Remember, it was Kelley who was isolating PDJT, & blocking information & people from reaching him. It was never his place to make those judgement calls– WITHOUT consulting his Boss.

        Rep. Rohrabacher’s effort to speak with PDJT was blocked for MONTHS. PDJT only learned of thanks to a Reporter, having asked him if he would be willing to speak or meet with?

        Based on PDJT response– he was genuinely surprised/confused, stating he did NOT know anything about it (2x). He then said he would be happy to speak with Roh.

        Recall, Roh had a direct message for Assange of PDJT. (Hint: It wasn’t Russia!)
        That sealed Kelley’s fate for me. But then I was already suspect of, & not the first time such things were said regarding.

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      • CM-TX says:

        I believe his son was just a better man, & made the ultimate sacrifice.🇺🇸 (See my earlier post as to why.)

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      • pbr22 says:

        Kelly is a retired officer. You can advise your commanding officer, but you do not dissent. Bad actor.

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  7. todayistheday99 says:

    If this traitor had on ounce of integrity he would have resigned. Staying on … just shows how every federal employee has become a leach on the country. I hope that as many federal government employees as possible lose their retirement benefits at the worst possible time in their lives in the future.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      I can only assume he is staying on to avoid the whole “retribution” firing. If this whole multiple coup attempts collapses as it seems it is then his reckoning may come later anyway.

      But, then doesn’t that make him available for all internal government inquiries, should such ever happen?

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      • JimFromNH says:

        I agree with Robert S. & 4220ma. Vindman will eventually get his payback, but a “retribution firing” is not best for DT.
        Sundance suggested the Dems are replaying the whole Sessions/Rosenstein/Mueller thing again.
        Vindman is just the latest wriggling worm on the hook. This needs to play out, & Vindman already looks like pretty iffy.
        The so-called whistleblower has been exposed & can be lampooned as another loony lefty. His lawyer (Mark Zaid) looks worse, with his prescient 2017 comment about a ‘coup’. Zaid’s ‘Whistleblower Aid’ pursuit also needs to be exploded more.

        I’m just a long-term lurker, but I think Kelly and Tillerson both had a place & role to contribute during this last 3 years. Tillerson provided transition from Kerry for a short bit. And I doubt the guy from Queens was too taken aback by the ‘moron’ comment. Kelly provided stability after all the leaks during the Priebus period.
        And eventually he needed to exit too, just like Nikki Haley.
        A good skipper must be able to extract what’s best from an erratic crew.

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        • G. Alistar says:

          Yes and for those who have taken the time to actually read his testimony, Vindmann presents several big problems for Adam Schiff and his cabal. Overall, he is hurting the Democrat coup, hurting his The Army and destroying his reputation. In time, he will regret going public, his testimony and his actions at the NSC which unquestionably subverted the President’s policy in Ukraine and Europe.

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        • CM-TX says:

          FYI: That one woman on Twitter… TraceyBean?? She did a further dig into. He was willing to answer further questions in writing for her. There was a video of it, posted on here last week by someone.

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        • In regard to your last paragraph, score two points for New Hampshire wisdom! Good observations.

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    • mopar2016 says:

      NSC is part of the executive branch. This traitor works for the president.
      I’ll bet he has a picture of Bowe Bergdahl in his living room, and a picture of Bradley Manning in his bedroom.

      I guess good help is hard to find these days.

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  8. Muthaucker says:

    “the impression is tacit U.S. military support for the Vindman objective.”

    Perhaps that is your impression, it’s not mine nor anyones I know on active duty impression. My impression of Vindman is that he is guilty of mutiny/sedition. My other impression is that far from tacit military support of Vindman, the opposite is true. As a retired military officer I can also tell you that silence is the required response from the military to political issues. Civilians control the military. Traitors like McRaven, McCafferty, and Vindman will be dealt with.

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    • JohnCasper says:

      There sure weren’t silent on LTC Lakin. They gave him a Kangaroo Court Martial and sent him straight to prison.

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    • … and: “do these extremely-radical Congressional committees even represent ‘civilian political issues?'” I daresay that most ‘civilians’ such as myself plainly realize that they do not: these people actually represent no one other than themselves. Their agendas are their own. Their viewpoints are their own. And, in the end, “their Doom will be their own,” exactly as has turned out to be the case in every incident throughout History that has preceded them. There is actually nothing new here. Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, and all the rest will in due time be hoisted upon their own petard, and they will take their “witnessesses” with them: stars, stripes and all.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      I agree who heartedly. The Army has to tread carefully and 100% correctly in this case because the entire front end of the deposition is filled with democrat congressional and Lawfare staff verbiage promising allot of protection, that may or may not legally exist in reality.

      Yes, LTC Vindman can be charged under several regulations of UCMJ related to Mutiny, Sedition, Gross Insubordination, Violating Orders and Handling of Classified Materials. If the Army is in fact serious about handling this guy, an Article 32 investigation will be initiatiated as a prelude to any legal and/or disciplinary actions taken. That investigation will be done silence as well.

      The first words of any Army actions will be either the announcement of Article 32 results or if LTC Vindman chooses to go public as part of his defense, which may draw even further administrative punishments if he does so against orders. Note, LTC Vindman can still be held in the service should he try to resign pending the result of the Article 32 investigation.

      The other administrative action that can be used, immediately, to get this guys attention is an adverse Officer Efficiency Report, due because he is changing assignments.

      As with civil courts of law, the scum often get to talk all they want in public to spin their story while the good guys have to sit silent until hearing is over.

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    • Your statement “silence is the required response from the military to political issues” is correct. However, any violation of the UCMJ should be dealt with swiftly and decisively without ANY consideration to politics. LTC Vindman’s testimony is not only in violation of the UCMJ (in my humble opinion) it is detrimental to the good will, morale and discipline of the service and should likewise be dealt with – – – harshly I hope.

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  9. Zy says:

    The V man sure is a disgrace to the day devoted to our vets.

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  10. Zimbalistjunior says:

    Love me some Matt Gaetz. He is a star.

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  11. KJinCton says:

    Does anyone other than me have a sinking feeling that once the House has impeached the President, the Senate will actually treat the vote seriously, and move forward with a legitimate trial?

    All of the RINOS will then stress that even though they know there is no substance or illegality to the articles, they realize that history will judge them poorly if they don’t give this the proper attention it deserves.

    Everyone will view this as a show trial, with no chance that Trump will be convicted. However, some mysterious “October Surprise” will arise that shocks the conscious of the nation and someone like Mittons will give an impassioned speech from the floor that moves 18-20 Senators to support conviction.

    The vote will be held, and before you can say Lawfare, Trump will be out for good.

    We’ll all be dumbfounded and shocked, but as Sundance has told us, this path to impeachment in House has been preplanned since inauguration….and never forget….there are trillions at stake.

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    • Green Bucket says:

      If they do this, then Civil War 2.0 goes hot

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      • GP says:

        Hi Green Bucket I understand your thinking, but please tell me exactly what Trump supporters are going to do in this “hot” civil war. If you have a plan, man I’d love to hear it.
        So what you do with your guns. Start shooting people at random-or shoot people you know are liberal and/or Never Trumpers? Saying there will be a civil war is absurd. I’m sure it makes you feel better, but anything like that will be stopped before it can get started. The DS has their spy/surveillance network in place. With Trump gone we get Pence. And I am telling you Pence is not a MAGA guy.

        I mean, I’m just saying is there a playbook for a second civil war I’m not aware of? Most Patriots that back Trump can’t walk to their mailbox-never mind lock and load and be capable of any sustained effort. Making threats give one a good excuse not to do anything NOW. Right now-as in next week right now. And I’m all for prayer, but that’s another cop out. Thinking that praying is gonna get us out of this mess is naive at best. God gave man free will, as I understand it, and is not gonna step in and stop the Dems…or send locusts swarms to DC. If you want to do something to help POTUS, the time is NOW. Because if The Senate convicts, it is curtains my friend. The Left will never take a chance on losing power again

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        • cantcforest says:

          “Most Patriots that back Trump can’t walk to their mailbox-never mind lock and load and be capable of any sustained effort.”
          PDJT’s rallies paint a different picture. A few ‘rallies worth’ of armed supporters marching on Congress might seriously change the dynamics.
          However, I agree with your sentiment: We need to step up now and get in Congress’ face.

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          • Chip Doctor says:

            i agree that once PT is ousted, it really is too late. However, the time is not right now. Let this play out until after the IG report drops and we see the fallout. Let’s see how Barr and Durham respond. It is entirely possible that the whole impeachment scam collapses. But if articles are sent to the Senate and Mitch doesn’t kill it on arrival, then I think deploreables should show up in mass to express our cold anger peacefully and lawfully. If enough show up, they will fear and they will kill it.

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        • CC says:

          There is a “playbook” called the marriage of DHS and FEMA. The pre-nupt includes what agency responds to who…it further defines the ‘marital’ responsibilities.

          They prepare for “emergencies”…or an “Event of National Significance”….Does anyone here doubt that we are approaching a significant event?

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        • askmeanythinginthelight says:

          Horribly frightening, but real, scenario. Call your senators now and call them often demand they support our President.

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        • Green Bucket says:

          GP, I’m no soldier and I don’t have a CW 2.0 plan in my back pocket, but I do know that people are fed up with all the crap coming from the left like communism, socialism, aunty-fa, welfare, advocating for illegals but never for Americans, lawless and corrupt federal and state agencies etc. We’re at the boiling point and yes, at some point, I’m sure there will be a spark that will light the fuse.

          Nobody knows how it will manifest itself – maybe we will decide splitting into two nations is the answer, or we wall off and give the liberals California and New York and let them have their socialism / communism. It will be over within 3 months.

          We can also save America by deporting all democrats. Send them to Venezuela since they’re so fond of communism. America is over if the left wins this one

          One final note. The American revolution was won with just 30% of the population participating. We can win again!

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          • CM-TX says:

            My ancestor was one of those 30% Patriots (S.C.)… & even as a woman/mother, I WILL STAND! The Senate does NOT want to go there! 🤨 🇺🇸

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    • All Too Much says:

      Yes.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      I don’t think there is a chance that McConnell will say invalid/unconstitutional and toss it.

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    • Except for one small thing: “Lawfare, Inc. doesn’t know WTF it is talking about … and, it never did … and, it never particularly cared.”

      The Lawfare lawyers realized that there was within Washington, DC a group of people who simply could not believe and would not accept that Donald Trump had just won the election. They were savvy enough to realize that, “with a little lawyerly persuasion,” all of them were ready to be convinced – not only that “they were right, all along” – but that Lawfare, Inc.® would be their savior. Well, we may never discover just how many millions of dollars these lawyers have billed these gullible Congressmen, but we continue to witness the success of their self-promotion efforts.

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    • If it gets to this point, We will need to descend on Washington and throw all the bums out!

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    • G. Alistar says:

      More important than the $ trillions at stake, the potential lost of their senate seat. I don’t think there is a snowballs chance in hell that your scenario has any possibility. More and more RINOs are moving into the Trump camp. They fear losing their seat in the house or senate more than anything. Look how Nikki Hailey has warmed up to the President, look at how many never Trumper’s retired, look at the POTUS increased popularity due to a laundry list Iof breath taking accomplishments. Don’t give counsel to your fears….this this the President’s finest hour. May God bless.

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    • tucker7518 says:

      Doubtful, Mitch McConnell has said he has all the votes except for Pierre Delecto.

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    • Jeff says:

      I think it’s a lock that if the House presents Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, they will swiftly vote to convict. In my eyes, it’s a given.

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      • steph_gray says:

        Oh jeez another full Eeyore.

        Never go full eeyore. 🤣

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        • CC says:

          In defense of Eeyore…#1–There are trillions at stake, in both houses. #2–This is not about POTUS 45….its an attack on “We The People”, who elected him #3—the wheels of justice move slow,

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          • Green Bucket says:

            CC, it is an attack on President Trump, they can’t control him or make him cower in the corner like they have with past Republican presidents. This one is different and he threatens their very cushy way of life. Yes, they are pretty much ALL in on it.

            They need him gone so they can continue with their congress /senate enrichment plans.

            Everyone keeps saying they’re only treating Donald Trump this way because they don’t like him, I disagree. The Deep State and their media enablers don’t like Republicans (until they’re dead like Reagan, Bush Sr.) and the fact that they’re getting away with this treatment of the President is shameful. It will only get worse in the future, the next Republican President will get even worse treatment by the press, but they most likely will not be strong enough to counter punch the way President Trump does.

            If/when the US falls to socialism because of idiot millennials, and the press, I wonder what they’ll say as they’re being moved into high density 500 square ft apartments for their family of 5? Gee, maybe those mean conservatives were right after all…

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        • Jeff says:

          I apologize for my unapproved thought.

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    • cboldt says:

      Whatever is done is serious as a heart attack. Assuming for the sake of argument the House sends over an article of impeachment that rings of “extortion” of Ukraine or “obstruciton of justice” for simply asserting privilege, the Senate has a duty to clean up the mess in a most serious fashion.
      I doubt the institution is up to the task.

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      • railer says:

        They’re not, but they want to be reelected, so there’s that.

        Trump’s attacking the Bidens harshly right now. He’s taking the corruption fighter angle, and yes that’s what this is all about at root. So the Senators are either with the corrupt Bidens or they’re with the corruption fighter. Putting aside all the pettifogging blowfunk, that’s the ground upon which all this will ultimately be fought, Deep State corruption, and Trump force-marched them to it almost immediately, like it was his plan from the moment he dialed that phone.

        When Trump said the words “Biden” and “Crowdstrike”, even as he also knew those words would get out immediately, he set his plan in motion, I believe. He knew what was coming.

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    • David A says:

      Kjin, your scenario may be their objective.

      Yet, Dan Scavino of the Trump admin has tweeted his own Tick-Tock click, and the President said “I caught them ALL”

      Thus is very big, yet ignored by ALL reporters, no follow up questions, very little commentary. Very strange.

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    • Bubby says:

      KJ that is a very likely scenario and one that gives me the vapors from time to time. President Trump has exposed the massive corruption in Washington DC by both parties. He has also exposed the Democrats need for illegals as voting members. He has also exposed how the American worker has been screwed by the very people voted in and sent to Washington DC to represent them. But they didn’t. They voted for their own pocketbook and the hell with WTP! We no longer have a representative Republic. Globalists have run our Federal Government for longer than I can remember and put America dead last! The world’s money tree – “money for nothing”! I also believe God has anointed President Trump to not only expose all the DC corruption but also to end it. That doesn’t mean there won’t be very difficult days ahead for there will be for all of us. But once again America is the last best hope in a corrupt and godless world! Godspeed President Trump!

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  12. TarsTarkas says:

    Sundance: I have to disagree with your reasoning behind the inaction of the Joint Chiefs or any of Vindman’s military superiors. We are in the middle of an impeachment effort, where every cough and nod by Trump or his people is considered a treasonous offense. I’m surprised O’Brien was allowed to remove Vindman from the NSC. Schiff will undoubtedly consider that action retaliation against a loyal citizen and react predictably.

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  13. anthohmy says:

    I spent yesterday and today reading aloud testimony from Vindman, Volker, and Hill to my favorite hippie. My voice is hoarse. It seems like Trump extended the invitation to the White House, the State Department was pushing for it, Vindman and Bolton were blocking it and Bill Taylor erroneously came to believe Trump was the one blocking it.

    Interesting piece of Fiona Hill’s testimony: Bolton tells her to go downstairs and find out what is happening in meeting with Sondland and Ukrainians, instead Hill interrupts the meeting and lectures Sondland in front of the Ukraine delegation. Volker later things the meeting went south because the Ukrainians introduced *too much content* to the meeting, but the meeting actually went south because Sondland was following the lead and urging of everybody at the State Department to get the meeting going.

    Vindman was slow-rolling the meeting, Sondland was right, Volker just didn’t get it.

    Also very interesting that Hill saw fit to pull Vindman out of a meeting because a staff member said Trump wanted to talk to Kash Patel. Hill was apparently worried that Trump’s inner circle didn’t realize Vindman was the Director of Ukraine portfolio, so instead of picking up the phone and straightening them out, she made sure Patel was cut out of communications he was authorized to receive and prevented Vindman from attending the meeting.

    Now Hill was concerned that Patel was leaking (without offering any proof) so she cut him out of access to information. She had no concerns about Vindman and apparently no problem with whoever was leaking to the whistleblower.

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  14. JohnCasper says:

    ‘Not only did U.S. military leadership remain silent to the optics and purpose, but in the testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman he admits to giving instructions to ignore the instructions from a sitting United States President (and Commander-in-Chief).”

    Perhaps those old Founding Fathers guys were a lot wiser than most of us now days when quite a number of them, each in his own way, expressed the opinion that there was nothing more dangerous to liberty than a standing army.

    Just imagine if Vindman had done toward Obama what he has done toward Trump.
    This same “U.S. military leadership ” would have skinned him alive by now.

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  15. Jonathan Galt says:

    This is all being delayed to buy time for Judge Reggie Walton to let MCCabe slide first. Walton is the judicial fixer. Look up Sibel Edmonds case. Then notice how he was the nexus for Mueller and Comey on multiple cases including the Scooter Libby case.
    Mueller and Comey knew that Plame had been exposed even before Armitage. It gets even more interesting when you realize Walton and Roberts connections to the FISC. This is precisely why Hillary’s server was so important. The blackberries and the server would finish them all off and linked all of them to the whole litany of corrupt deals and fixing.

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    • WES says:

      Galt: Isn’t this Friday November 15 the deadline set by this judge to charge McCabe or he skates free?

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      • cboldt says:

        Whatever the deadline is, the consequences are that DOJ must produce evidence to McCabe, not that McCabe gets a pass on criminal prosecution.
        McCabe might well get a pass on criminal prosecution, but it won’t be because a judge ordered DOJ not to charge McCabe. Judges don’t have that power.

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  16. JohnCasper says:

    There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation, and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors, that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot, but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.
    – Thomas Jefferson

    In the days following the American Revolution, Jefferson became increasingly concerned about two tendencies he believed were intrinsically connected: the concentration of power in a centralized government and the establishment of a [career class ] standing army.

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  17. When Joe Biden demanded a Quid Pro Quo firing of his boy’s investigator for a billion in foreign aid in March 2016, it was the second time the Ukrainians had heard the demand. The first time was at a White House meeting held two months earlier by…Eric Ciamarella. He’s a Whistle-Defendant, not a Whistleblower.

    If Ciamarella could help Democrats, Schiff would have him testify. But Schiff is hiding Ciamarella because his testimony can only hurt Democrats. That is the same dangerous posture Jeffrey Epstein was in.

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  18. California Joe says:

    The chubby tubby Russian Colonel Vindman should be fired immediately. Let him sue like other whistleblowers in federal court and wait three or four years to get his decision then appeal the decision if it’s an Obama judge until he runs up a $500,000 legal bill, loses his house in foreclosure and his wife divorces him. That’s the fate of most federal whistleblowers so why not a traitor?

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  19. Perot Conservative says:

    Don’t forget, there is a third brother in international finance. This brother:

    – has a business listed in Moscow.
    – his business website looks odd (thin for such a serious, high-finance business); a one man shop that also references his wife’s art business?
    – his Russian wife has an art business listed in London.
    – he was based in Moscow for many years.

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  20. Right to reply says:

    I really worry about grassy knoll part two…

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  21. SR says:

    This whole impeachment is just a cover up for future IG reports or DOJ investigations. The whole fake msm, dims will jump if any deep state gets indicted. This impeachment is bargaining chip for no indictments and dims will roll back impeachment.

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  22. Tazio Nuvolari says:

    It’s obvious now that the military is part of the coup.

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    • G. Alistar says:

      Not helpful Tazio ….at all. Happy Veteran’s Day.

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      • JohnCasper says:

        Tazio’s opinion is very close to Sundance’s of “In the absence of push-back from the Joint Chiefs, from this moment forth, the impression is tacit U.S. military support for the Vindman objective”. In fact, it’s a basic summary of it.

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        • G. Alistar says:

          Sure…..all 550,000 active duty Army and 1.8 million the the active, guard and reserves of the Armed Forces? Come on….a sample size of one (LTC Vindmann) does not constitute that “the military” is part of this. The vast majority of the military in fact, support President Trump.

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          • Tazio Nuvolari says:

            That’s a straw man and you know it. No one is accusing every single member of the military, just the brass. We all know what would happen to a soldier in somewhere like Afghanistan if he told a group they were working with to ignore what his commander had told them. He’d be court marshaled. This is no different.

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      • Tazio Nuvolari says:

        The military has busted better men that Vindman for far less.

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  23. rigst4 says:

    So, the real question here is why hasn’t this Vindman character been arrested by MPs and charged with crimes under UCMJ? He clearly admits his guilt in his own testimony. Nothing ever happens to the conspirators who aide the democrat party.

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  24. Troublemaker10 says:

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    • Mikey likes it! says:

      He looks like a someone acting or trying to hide something. You have to choose sides in this battle and I don’t think he would be friendly towards Treepers.

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    • MILupper says:

      Ratcliffe said to Vindman. “And what I understand you to say is that you weren’t certain that there was anything improper with respect to the law, but you had concerns about U.S. policy. Is that a fair characterization?”

      Vindman: “So I would recharacterize it as I thought it was wrong and I was sharing those views,” Vindman answered. “And I was deeply concerned about the implications for bilateral relations, U.S. national security interests, in that if this was exposed, it would be seen as a partisan play by Ukraine. It loses the bipartisan support. And then for — ”

      According to Vindman Ukraine investigating PDJT is not partisan, but investigating the dems-Ukraine election interference or Burisma is partisan. The dems would be the ones to withhold aid.

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    • Justah says:

      This is a very good article – it gets to the very heart of what is going on. Vindman explains that it is the “interagency” that sets US Foreign Policy & not the President.
      President Trump is the fly in their Ointment & must be removed.

      “Could you just explain what that consensus policy is, in your own words?”

      “What I can tell you is, over the course of certainly my tenure there, since July 2018, the interagency, as per normal procedures, assembles under the NSPM-4, the National Security Policy [sic] Memorandum 4, process to coordinate U.S. government policy,” Vindman said. “We, over the course of this past year, probably assembled easily a dozen times, certainly at my level, which is called a subpolicy coordinating committee — and that’s myself and my counterparts at the Deputy Assistant Secretary level — to discuss our views on Ukraine.”

      That is a classic bureaucrat’s view of government and the world. Needless to say, Trump does not do that sort of thing. The president is remarkably freewheeling, unbureaucratic, and certainly not always consistent when it comes to making policy. But he generally has a big goal in mind, and in any event, he is the president of the U.S. He, not the interagency, sets U.S. foreign policy.

      Still, Vindman was deeply upset when Trump, relying on Rudy Giuliani and others, turned his attention to Ukraine. “In the spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency,” Vindman said in his opening statement. The outside influencers, he suggested, were undermining the work of his “interagency colleagues.” In the words of the Washington Post, Vindman was “deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the president to subvert U.S. foreign policy.”

      Byron York gets to the heart of it.

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  25. jambo says:

    Vindman doesn’t strike me as the type to go it alone, he seems to be an order-follower.
    If he disregarded, and actively went against, the instructions of his C-in-C then whose orders was he following?

    Court-martial him and anybody in his chain of command who was complicit.

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  26. Vince says:

    “…he admits to giving instructions to ignore the instructions from a sitting United States President.”

    Just like Nancy Pelosi recently did while in Jordan, and presumably Obama did at various times when he traveled around the world to countries just after President Trump went there. Who game him the order to ignore Trump’s orders?

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  27. Elle says:

    Sometimes I think Schiff and Nadler are working for Trump, tricking the Deep State tools into lying under oath, committing acts of insubordination/sedition and exposing the intertwined relationships of the players colluding in the coup..

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  28. sarasotosfan says:

    “In a significant legislative victory for the American Legion, President Trump signed a bill that declares the United States has been in a continuous state of war since December 7, 1941.”

    Trump signed into law S. 504, the Let Everyone Get Involved in Opportunities for National Service Act on July 30, 2019.

    Also known as the LEGIONS Act, I wonder if this might butress the case that the legion of deep staters looking to overthrow the duly elected president had specific language inserted into the law to support the charge of treason that Trump so often mentions these days.

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  29. Deep state coup uniform show up with fully of lie’s

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  30. steviedawn says:

    I’ll be shocked if dumpy dough boy is still in place once this is all over. I suspect he’ll end up in a broom closet in the B ring.

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  31. HJR27 says:

    Why is there no movement to IMPEACH Schiff, the criteria is certainly ALL there?

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  32. L. E. Joiner says:

    Why hasn’t the President told the Pentagon to get Vindman out of the White House and begin court martial proceedings for insubordination, spying, and leaking confidential information? Mr Trump is the Commander in Chief, isn’t he?

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  33. anthonydog says:

    “THE HAMMER is the key to the coup” U.S. Navy Admiral James A. “Ace” Lyons (Ret.) proclaimed to U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (Ret.). Admiral Lyons, who led the largest military command in the world as Commander of the U.S. Navy Pacific Fleet, spoke those words to General McInerney one final time as General McInerney sat beside Admiral Lyon’s deathbed.

    THE HAMMER IS THE KEY TO THE COUP – The American Report |
    https://theamericanreport.org/2019/11/10/the-hammer-is-the-key-to-the-coup/

    x22report:

    https://bit.ly/2X6rw1O

    Justinformedtalk:

    https://bit.ly/2KdEYMp

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  34. Linus in W.PA. says:

    If many of you don’t already know it, Vindman is the blow-up pilot from the movie, “Airplane!”

    I think his military career is over.

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  35. 6x47 says:

    I was in the Marine Corps from 1988-1998; enlisted in the reserves and then a commissioned officer on active duty 1993-98, got out as a captain.

    I see nothing at all wrong or improper with LtCol. Vindman appearing before Congress in uniform. He is an officer on active duty appearing before Congress on official business.

    I DO, however, have a BIG problem with an officer who disobeys a lawful written order in violation of Uniform Code of Military Justice Article 92; uses contemptuous words towards the President (or any other elected official), a violation of Article 88.

    General McChrystal was sacked by President Obama after contemptuous comments about Vice President Biden, referring to him as “Vice President Bite Me.” It goes without saying, Gen. McChrystal was a far more distinguished officer, and his offense far less, than this fatboy LtCol.

    Somebody in the chain of command needs to prefer charges against LtCol. Vindman. I know I would if he worked for me.

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  36. This scumbag should’ve been dishonorably discharged…

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  37. All that I can say is that guy gives me the creeps.

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  38. This comment was from an article on the GP this morning: “The whistleblower form in the Intel community was updated to allow for second hand information. This was not allowed before this complaint.” Determining who changed the form and who authorized or requested it will be “key” to moving forward – – – imho.

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  39. CM-TX says:

    Not a good look for our military. Are they really going to let stand this DISLOYAL, DISHONORABLE, TRAITOROUS Pillsbury Doughboy– proven to be a LYIN’ LIAR who likes to LIE– be the Poster-Boy of the Armed Forces? Seriously?! 🤨

    Those at the top who remain SILENT, should hang their heads in SHAME! Then go think long & hard about all the countless who’ve sacrificed their blood, sweat, tears, limbs, & LIVES! Disgraceful!

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  40. LULU says:

    Byron York has written an absolutely splendid “analysis” of Vindman, the petty bureaucrat. Based upon York’s careful reading of the transcript of Vindman’s testimony, he (and his lawyer) will not show well in his televised hearing.

    In his analysis, York points up Vindman’s mindnumbing bureaucratese and his surprising lack of knowledge about key issues in Ukraine. He also makes it clear that Vindman believed that his “interagency consensus” was a higher policy authority than the President of the United States.

    ANALYSIS: Democrats have a Colonel Vindman problem

    An excerpt:

    Vindman has not yet been scheduled to appear before the Democrats’ public impeachment hearings. When that happens, he will undoubtedly again play a prominent role. But there will be a difference. The public now has a transcript of Vindman’s deposition. And those who have taken the trouble to read the 340-page document will have a different picture of Vindman’s testimony than the one presented in early media reports.

    Yes, Vindman testified repeatedly that he “thought it was wrong” for Trump, speaking with Zelensky, to bring up the 2016 election and allegations of Ukraine-related corruption on the part of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. But the Vindman transcript also showed a witness whose testimony was filled with opinion, with impressions, who had little new to offer, who withheld important information from the committee, who was steeped in a bureaucracy that has often been hostile to the president, and whose lawyer, presumably with Vindman’s approval, expressed unmistakable disdain, verging on contempt, for members of Congress who asked inconvenient questions. In short, Vindman’s testimony was not the slam-dunk hit Democrats portrayed it to be. And that raises questions about how it will play when Vindman goes before the world in a public impeachment hearing.

    More here, well worth a read:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/analysis-democrats-have-a-col-vindman-problem

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    • LULU says:

      It becomes pretty clear, even with Vindman’s evasion (or because of his evasion and his lawyer’s going ballistic) that Vindman included the rumorblower Ciaramella in his group of “need to know” colleagues – the ones he spread the word to about his “concerns” about the Zelensky phone call.

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    • Great analysis! You inspired me to read the article, and it was very informative.

      Vindman does not make a favorable impression, at any level… a haughty bureaucrat of average intelligence, with a grossly over-inflated sense of self-importance. What a great witness he’ll make for Mr. Schiff!

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  41. Dutchman says:

    If Fitton didn’t ‘mis-speak, he made a very important statement, that I haven’t heard previously stated, on the boob-tube by anyone.
    Something to the effect of ;
    “I bet there are, right now, federal employees that are WORKING WITH THE MAJORITY IN CONGRESS, to further the coup.

    He did NOT say “the Majority in the HOUSE, he clearly said “the Majority in CONGRESS, and he is knowledgeable enough to know Congress means the,House AND the Senate, and that while Dems are the majority in the House, that Republicons are the majority in the Senate.

    Was this an open recognition that the ongoing coup attempt against PDJT is fully supported by Mitch and the Republicon leadership?

    I’m down to my last Faux news political commentator; Lou Dobbs. I held out as long as I could with Marie Baritomo, but after her contract renewal, she seemed to become too much like the others, spinning and blocking. Even before that, I was dissappointed how she continued to repeat the “Russian interference in 2016” mantra that was the predicate for coup 1.0.

    Dobbs must have an interesting contract, as he is the only one left who doesn’t seem to be self-censoring, or censoring his guests.

    His little joke about “you mentioned the WB, so gotta take a break,..just kidding was really sticking a thumb in the eye of Faux news,…funny AND serious at the same time.

    Hope his contract isn’t up for renewal any time soon.

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    • CM-TX says:

      Dobbs was very smart after his treatment by F/CNN… he now owns the majority of rights to his show. 😏

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      • Dutchman says:

        He seems to be the only one, on faux, thats free to speak his mind. So refreshing, no tick tocks, no interupting guests who stray outside the lines.

        Lots of tut tutting, but thats o.k. LOTS to tut tut about!

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  42. hokkoda says:

    From the speech known as “Duty, Honor, Country” – Gen Douglas MacAruthur, 5/12/62*

    “Others will debate the controversial issues, national and international, which divide men’s minds. But serene, calm, aloof, you stand as the Nation’s war guardians, as its lifeguards from the raging tides of international conflict, as its gladiators in the arena of battle. For a century and a half you have defended, guarded and protected its hallowed traditions of liberty and freedom, of right and justice. Let civilian voices argue the merits or demerits of our processes of government: whether our strength is being sapped by deficit financing indulged in too long, by federal paternalism grown too mighty, by power groups grown too arrogant, by politics grown too corrupt, by crime grown too rampant, by morals grown too low, by taxes grown too high, by extremists grown too violent; whether our personal liberties are as firm and complete as they should be; these great national problems are not for your professional participation or military solution. Your guidepost stands out like a tenfold beacon in the night: Duty, Honor, Country.”

    Vindman has abandoned his duty, lacks honor, and seems to think his allegiance is to another country. Plain and simple.

    One of the amazing things about MacArthur’s speech at West Point is that he was 82 when he gave it, and he delivered the entire speech without using notes.

    *full text here: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/America/United_States/Army/USMA/MacArthur/1962_speech_to_the_Corps.html
    *or listen here:

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  43. RAC says:

    It’s interesting, and maybe gives away Vindmans leanings/motives when he’s talking about his interactions with the Ukrainians.
    On page 159 he says “I counseled them to stay out of US politics”. That’s how he perceives it, but it isn’t politics any more than a bank robbery is about banking. It is about potential crimes that may involve people who were politicians, or close to politicians, or working for politicians. It’s about crimes, it’s of course about politics if you have an ave to grind…..Mr. Viandman

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  44. chemman says:

    The Joint Chiefs don’t have Command Authority over Vindman. His immediate Commanding Officer should start the ball rolling with a referral to a Courts Martial.

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  45. shipley130 says:

    Vindman is shaping up really nicely to be the scapegoat.

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  46. deannalaurence says:

    He looks like a weasel.

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