Fraud Continues – Nancy Pelosi Promises House Impeachment Subpoenas Will Not Have Legal Penalties – House Will Not Authorize Impeachment Inquiry…

According to Capitol Hill members, via Politico, House Democrat leadership has taken a climate assessment of democrat House members and Speaker Pelosi announced they will not hold a House impeachment authorization vote.   As a direct and specific consequence all committee subpoenas do not carry a penalty for non-compliance.

A judicial penalty can only be created if the House votes to authorize an impeachment inquiry.  Absent a vote, the Legislative Branch has not established compulsion authority (aka judicial enforcement authority), as they attempt to work through their quasi-constitutional “impeachment inquiry” process.

Instead of subpoenas, Adam Schiff (House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence); Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (Committee on White House Oversight; and Chairman Eliot L. Engel (House Committee on Foreign Affairs) can only send out request letters.  The compliance is discretionary based on the ideology of the recipient.

It is likely, highly likely, Nancy Pelosi does not have the votes to proceed with a full House  impeachment authorization; so Pelosi, Schiff, Engel and Cummings have to rely on the duplicity of the media to help them hide their scheme.  So far the media is complying.

(Via Politico)  Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democratic leaders will hold off on a full House vote authorizing an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, according to multiple lawmakers and aides.

[…] Trump, White House official and Republicans on Capitol Hill have seized on the absence of such an vote as an unacceptable break with House precedent and have vowed to resist what they describe as an illegitimate probe.

[…] Pelosi and other top Democrats could not come to an agreement among themselves during discussions on Monday over whether to move forward with the vote, which would have been a dramatic escalation of their impeachment battle with Trump.

House Democratic leaders quietly reached out to the most vulnerable members of their caucus to gauge whether they would support a formal vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry against Trump, according to multiple Democratic aides.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn’s (D-S.C.) office lead the outreach effort, and the issue was discussed at a closed-door leadership meeting.

[…] The idea has been met with anxiety among some of the battleground Democrats, who fear it could distract from the agenda, according to multiple aides.  (read more)

Speaker Pelosi & Lawfare’s impeachment scheme can only succeed with a compliant media protecting it.  So far the media has been entirely compliant in not explaining the fraudulent basis for the construct.  If the media would ask questions the fraud would collapse.

Adam Schiff has to hide his hearings because the foundation of the impeachment fraud is to create a public impression.  There is no structural impeachment process or guideline being followed.  The committee leadership are using the closed door hearings to leak information to the media to create the needed narrative.

A legislative “letter” or demand request needs to carry judicial enforcement authority –A PENALTY– in order to be a “subpoena”.

There is no penalty that can be associated with these demands because the Legislative Branch has not established compulsion authority (aka judicial enforcement authority), as they attempt to work through their non-constitutional “impeachment inquiry” process.

It has long been well established by SCOTUS that Congress has lawful (judicial authority) subpoena powers pursuant to its implied responsibility of legislative oversight.  However, that only applies to the powers enumerated in A1§8. Neither foreign policy (Ukraine) nor impeachment have any nexus to A1§8.  The customary Legislative Branch subpoena power is limited to their legislative purpose. 

There is an elevated level of subpoena, made power possible by SCOTUS precedent, that carries inherent penalties for non-compliance, and is specifically allowed for impeachment investigations.  That level of elevated House authority requires a full House authorization vote.

In this current example the Legislative Branch is expressing their “impeachment authority” as part of the Legislative Branch purpose.  So that raises the issue of an entirely different type of subpoena:… A demand from congress that penetrates the constitutional separation of powers; and further penetrates the legal authority of Executive Branch executive privilege.

It was separately established by SCOTUS during the Nixon impeachment investigation that *IF* the full House votes to have the Judiciary Committee commence an impeachment investigation, then the Judiciary Committee has subpoena power that can overcome executive privilege claims. 

There has been NO VOTE to create that level of subpoena power.

As a consequence, the House has not created a process to penetrate the constitutionally inherent separation of powers, and/or, the legally recognized firewall known as ‘executive privilege’.   The House must vote to authorize the committee impeachment investigation, and through that process the committee gains judicial enforcement authority.  This creates the penalty for non-compliance with an impeachment subpoena.

A demand letter only becomes a “subpoena”, technically meaning: ‘a request for the production of documents with a penalty for non-compliance’, when the committee has judicial enforcement authority. That process establishes an enforcement penalty.

The current demand letters cannot carry a penalty because the demands do not contain judicial enforcement authority…. because the impeachment investigation was not authorized by the chamber.

The reason judicial enforcement authority is constitutionally required is because creating Judicial enforcement authority, creating the penalty for non-compliance, gives the Executive Branch a process to appeal any legislative demand via the Judicial Branch (federal courts).

Absent a penalty for non-compliance, which factually makes a subpoena a ‘subpoena’, the Executive Branch has no process to engage an appellate review by federal courts. This is the purposeful trick within the Pelosi/Lawfare road-map.

Pelosi and Lawfare’s plans are designed for public consumption; she/they are creating the illusion of something that doesn’t exist.  The purpose of all this fraudulent impeachment activity is to create support for an actual impeachment process.

Because the current Lawfare/Pelosi roadmap intends to work around judicial enforcement authority, the impeachment process is destined by design to end up running head-first into a constitutional problem; specifically separation of power and executive privilege. That predictable constitutional issue will end up with arguments to The Supreme Court.

THAT appears to be why Democrats and left-wing activists have been working for months to de-legitimize the Supreme Court. They always intended to run into this problem. They planned for it.

The Lawfare impeachment road-map is designed to conflict with the constitution. It is a necessary -and unavoidable- feature of their impeachment plan, not a flaw.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her Lawfare allies can change House rules (they did). Pelosi and Lawfare can also change House impeachment rules (they did). Pelosi/Lawfare can change committee rules (they did); and in doing so they can remove House republicans from the entire process… Which They Did.  However, what Lawfare and Pelosi cannot change is The U.S. Constitution, which they are destined to collide with.

Speaker Pelosi’s ‘Lawfare House rules‘ and/or ‘Lawfare impeachment rules‘ cannot supersede the constitutional separation of powers.

Nancy Pelosi cannot decree an “official impeachment inquiry”, and as a consequence nullify a constitutional firewall between the Legislative Branch and Executive Branch.

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253 Responses to Fraud Continues – Nancy Pelosi Promises House Impeachment Subpoenas Will Not Have Legal Penalties – House Will Not Authorize Impeachment Inquiry…

  1. DJ Snyder says:

    Yeah, who saw this coming? (raises hand)

    Liked by 27 people

    • GB Bari says:

      All Treepers should have seen it provided they have been reading Sundance’s astute observations and reports here in CTH.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Y’all Know What Time It is says:

      Democrats and left-wing activists have been working for months to de-legitimize the Supreme Court. They always intended to run into this problem. They planned for it.
      The Lawfare impeachment road-map is designed to conflict with the constitution.

      The plan is to create a situation where Trump can’t appoint a successor to Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s seat because Trump is the part of an upcoming SCOTUS decision.

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      • Pedro Morales says:

        Lawfare is 0-22 last time I checked. Virgil Solozzo “You over estimate them kid, they aint that clever”. Bottom line is the swing democrats heard back from their voters during the break. NO impeachment. The swing democrats know what Schiff is doing and dont want to go out on a limb for him. they have heard his bold promises and then saw what happened to cohen dean and lewindowsky. Those impeachment polls are going to collapse if hearings are held and Secuolow gets to cross examine. The Dems and Nancy know it. There cant be hearings. And the Senate uniparty is not going to let the Dem uniparty kick this over to them to handle. Nancy is going to have a vote that comes up short to end this. Or she will announce in November that it is too late to have a vote due to the election. The uniparty can never allow hearings.

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      • Kintbury says:

        Pretty sure Clinton nominated two judges while being investigated.

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  2. bkrg2 says:

    BOOM!

    Liked by 3 people

  3. Bogeyfree says:

    Break their Blackberry encryption and my guess is things will change instantly!

    I wonder who in Congress still carries a Blackberry.

    Can Tom Fitton FOIA a list of all congressional members who have been issued and still have in their possession a government Blackberry?

    I wonder if Mr. Binney can look at the two Mifsud Blackberry phones and tell us anything?

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  4. Tiffthis says:

    So then no penalty for lying during questioning either. What a crock

    Liked by 8 people

    • livefreeordieguy says:

      Is that true? If people honor the non-subpoena “subpoena” and come to testify before the Intel committee (that has no Impeachment jurisdiction), are they not put under oath? Aren’t they still testifying? No matter what the auspices for their appearance, if they are under oath and lie, it would seem that lying is still perjury. But who the hell knows? Understanding what is going on is difficult when it’s a phony, rule-less impeachment, I guess. Thoughts?

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      • Tiffthis says:

        I’m not sure, but it seems like no penalties either way. We would never know if people were sworn in because it’s behind closed doors 🤷🏼‍♀️

        Liked by 4 people

        • livefreeordieguy says:

          I’d like to think that the Republicans would at least leak THAT!

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        • tarheel69 says:

          Anyone who has been paying any attention should know that commiting purgery under oath testifying in front of Congress is not a crime unless you are a Republican, does Louis Learner or Hillery Clinton ring anyone’s bell. To be more matter of fact ,lieing and being a democratic advances your careear in the swamp party..
          Is there not one honest person in the people’s house. If these evil fools are the best we can find to repersent us.How can it be that so many people can just throw our way of living away for no other reason than hate..I’m going to keep praying and believing that Gods will ,will be served.

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      • Of course they can and they will lie, if it serves the greater purpose…..OMG!

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      • Lester Smith says:

        Lying in a hearing is still perjury even if you volunteer to testify. Now even in a depositions if executive privilege is invoked can the white house have a lawyer present. If so that would be away to represented even if in a minor way.

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  5. H. Hawke says:

    Brilliant explanation!

    Even I got it (most of it).

    Kudos!

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  6. Bob Parker says:

    I have to believe that the Dems continued albeit WEAK pursuit of impeachment is akin to their building a house of cards. The house of cards will eventually crumble & fall because there is no solid FOUNATION to it!!

    The Dems have literally been DEFANGED here. What is so terribly sad & WRONG is that there continues to be -0- action out of the Senate. Hey Flimsy Lindseed Gramnesty & B*tch McConnell, THAT MEANS YOU YOU SPINELESS< FECKLESS COWARDS!!

    Note to Hannity- It's time to pull the chord on Gramnesty's TV time. RIGHT NOW!! You want more air time Senator, than show us that you are willing to start DOING SOMETHING with your Judiciary COMMITTEE!!

    President Trump cannot go this alone. HE NEEDS HIS PARTY'S SUPPORT & HELP!!

    RIGHT NOW!!

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    • FrankieZee says:

      Are you talking about Mr. TICK TOCK, the guy who says 95% of the FBI are good guys. I could never figure out why he treats Lindsey with kid gloves.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Bogeyfree says:

      I said it before we should get the list of registered Republicans and independent in both SC and KY and mail them a copy of Sundance’s thread and then ask them….

      Why is Lindsey and McConnell not more engaged in having PT back?

      (Note: we start a go fund me account to cover the cost of this messaging)

      Lindsey could easily be bringing folks before his committee to testify under oath in a public forum but continues to sit on his hands and Mc Connell could have ensured the Senate was in recess so PT could make recess appointments like every President before PT.

      SC and KY are these guys really MAGA worthy? Or is it time to find others who truly have PT back all day every day?

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      • warrprin1 says:

        This Senate, in its present composition, has betrayed all of us along with the POTUS we elected. They refuse to represent us. They exclusively represent the interests of others, they depend on the 💲contributions of others, and they are undoubtedly compromised by others’ ability to expose their entanglements, ruin their careers, and in all likelihood send them to prison for malfeasance.

        I’m no genius and do not pretend to know how to run these entrenched hyenas out of D.C., but I like Bogey’s suggestion above about starting with Kentucky and South Carolina. On multiple occasions I have griped in these threads about “my Senate RINO” from PA: Pat Toomey. He’s not a high visibility creature, but he is treacherous to PDJT and he’s gotta go. He will be up for re-election in 2022, with two years remaining in PDJT’s 2nd term.

        Like so many people, I have known for decades that the elected pols were on the take, but I believed it was simply about lining their pockets to enjoy the good life. We have all learned that this is not the case. The slippery money is the tip of the iceberg, and there is grave danger to our Republic from the power hungry monster that has digested the souls of those we send to D.C. as “our” elected officials and career functionaries.

        The “Republican” majority in the Senate remains unmoved by our insistence that they support President Trump’s agenda. They must believe that we are bedazzled by their work on confirmation of judges, and they are hiding behind this marquee, all the while working against the POTUS, and against us, to subvert the President’s clearly expressed projects. Subvert is the operative verb, the operative mindset, and the operative determination in the United States Senate, circa 2019.

        There is not a single one of these gutless wonders – losers – betrayers – who deserves to be returned to the Senate in his or her next election. Not even one. It’s up to us to clean house.

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        • warrprin1 says:

          If the House votes to impeach, I do not trust this Senate to acquit our President.

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        • tarheel69 says:

          Anyone who has been paying any attention should know that commiting purgery under oath testifying in front of Congress is not a crime unless you are a Republican, does Louis Learner or Hillery Clinton ring anyone’s bell. To be more matter of fact ,lieing and being a democratic advances your careear in the swamp party..
          Is there not one honest person in the people’s house. If these evil fools are the best we can find to repersent us.How can it be that so many people can just throw our way of living away for no other reason than hate..I’m going to keep praying and believing that Gods will ,will be served.

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    • Ray Runge says:

      In the Dimmocratic USA a house of cards and how to contrive a governing scheme with smoke and mirrors are both PHD level research projects at the better political science departments at multiple coastal institutions.

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    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      I fear that Linseed Grahamnesty has been leveraged/ compromised/ blackmailed.Take your pick.
      If he doesn’t step up soon , patriots will mount a campaign against him funded by ‘cold RAGE’.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      I fear that Linseed Grahamnesty has been leveraged/ compromised/ blackmailed.Take your pick.
      If he doesn’t step up soon , patriots will mount a campaign against him funded by ‘cold RAGE’.

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  7. Somebody's Gramma says:

    I listened to that press conference. When asked if they would take the vote, Nancy shooed that question off with her hand and said, “we don’t need to”. Wow. Unbelievable that a Speaker of the House is deliberately moving forward in an UnConstitutional manner. What hubris.
    #BurnItAllDown
    #DemsGotNothin

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  8. mugzey302 says:

    This amounts to an unofficial inquiry for the purpose of harassing a sitting president. Is there really no recourse to censure them? How about Scalise ask Pelosi about her son’s involvement in Ukraine (if they turn his Mic back on)?

    Liked by 14 people

    • Ray Runge says:

      Scaliness and republicans should come equipped with hand held P. A. Systems.

      Liked by 5 people

    • donna kovacevic says:

      These Republicans are chicken govna. I watched Nunes who I respect, Scalise and another Congress critter on Laura, she asked them what they will do and all they did was, same old talking points did not answer the question. Govnari!

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  9. The democrats got back from their breaks and didn’t find what they heard from their constituents at home very supportive of this impeachment thing is my bet.,

    Liked by 15 people

  10. dissonant1 says:

    The idea has been met with anxiety among some of the battleground Democrats, who fear it could distract from the agenda. ROFL. What agenda? Their whole freaking agenda has been to go after PDJT. What they are really scared of, of course, is losing their seats because they know there is no “there there” for impeachment and why commit political suicide for a hopeless cause. The Democrat Party is really the Feckless, Conniving, Deceitful, Fake, Cowardly Party. (I could add other adjectives but you all already know what they are. You can start with the Seven Deadly Sins and go on from there.)

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    • lotbusyexec says:

      If any of the democratic congress people had a brain they’d SWITCH parties now. Two can play at this game. Would love to see all those “red dog” democrats give Nancy and the rest of the leaders of their party the bird and just Walk Away”. There is still time. Wonder if any of our Republican leaders have reached out with the incentive of history will be on your side… Rep Amash (R) did it (went from a R to an I) and they can too except if the democrats do it (go R) they will be hailed heroes in their districts and not as a traitor like Amash.

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  11. WES says:

    It seems the ebb and flow of impeachment is directly related to President Trump’s Middle East policy.

    Leave ME and impeachment pressure is ratcheted up. Stay in ME and impeachment pressure dies down.

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  12. CNN_sucks says:

    The mifsud blackberry will be blackout due to national security. All call numbers registered probably from Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Warner, Burr, MacCain and maybe even Obama.

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  13. Ono says:

    It is hard for me to grasp the fact that elected Democrat representatives; who are paid by taxpayers, believe that they can get away with a “Let’s pretend” Impeachment while refusing to pass leglislation that will benifit their constituents?

    Liked by 12 people

    • mr.piddles says:

      They can call it what they want. It’s just politics to them, whatever it costs. “Impeach!” is just the Battle Cry of the #Resistance.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Pew-Anon says:

      They are paid, alright. But not by taxpayers.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Abolition Man says:

      You make great tacos but did you miss the part where the DemoKKKrats have been selling out the American people for about thirty years! Reagan’s amnesty, Clinton’s sale of high tech to China, Bush brought along the “Patriot Act” and the housing bubble and Obama showed you how little he cared. All along the way the Uniparty, comprised of RINOs AND DemoKKKrats, did their best to beat the American voter into submission. And they almost succeeded but for President Trump.
      That’s why they have to do everything they can to delegitimize him; four more years of a Trump presidency might undo 30 years of Uniparty sedition and corruption. If VSGPT gets his way they might have to stop robbing the American public blind and get real jobs, or prison sentences.
      I’ve said for years that politicians should be limited to two terms; one in office and one in prison! The DemoKKKrats have been avoiding their due reckoning with help of MSM urinalists but maybe their about to meet their Karma (judgement of God!)

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      • Ono says:

        Regans policy changed dratimatically after the attempeted assignation by G. H W. Bushes best freiends son.

        Ca is red and rich. and will be again.

        My family goes back to 1849.

        Ono is my nick name because I surf and paddle fast.

        Wahoos (Mexican name for the fastest fish in the ocean) is a restrauant that serves fish tacos… believe me . I know them well.

        Please do not coment about the state of my state without real info.

        Lets fight on on own territory!

        I have over 800 valid signatures to remove Gavin Newsom!

        I print, buy postage and mail tomake sure my efforts are worthwhile…you?

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  14. TradeBait says:

    And the winning continues. MAGA.

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  15. BL says:

    So it’s in their job description they can hold an impeachment inquiry but they also have other duties & responsibilities they shouldn’t draw pay to sit in a basement all day. Question is.. aren’t they in dereliction of duties or something along those lines. There has to be something we are missing to nail them on.

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  16. Scooger says:

    OK – so what is the mechanism to launch investigation into house leadership abuse of power (acting as judicial branch without authorization, criminal disclosure of classified, grand jury and/or deposition testimony, violation of Logan act vis a vis Ukraine, Iran, China, GB, Italy, Aus, Romania.

    The alinsky gang of Pelosi, Schiff Cummings, Engels have usurped executive and judiciary powers not authorized under the constitution to further their seditious conspiracy.

    As part of executive branch – DOJ needs to step up – Mr. Barr……

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  17. Heika says:

    How about #investigatepelosi? https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/donald-trump-questions-nancy-pelosis-corruption/
    When will the Republicans get more savvy… go on the offensive? Give these frauds something to worry about and put them on the back foot.

    Liked by 7 people

    • TeaForAll says:

      I totally agree. Gloves off. no holding back. We need to dig deeply on all of theme and their family. Look at Biden. If anything, they all have alot to hide. Time to fight back , as President Trump would say, hit theme harder,What they have done to our Constitution is a total DISGRACE.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      The Republicans – part of the House and almost every, last one in the Senate – are.part.of.it.

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  18. Senator Graham’s committee can end this fiasco in a heartbeat. Subpoena the same people who testified in the House; put them under oath and ask the questions. The charade would be over in a week.

    Just get Graham to grow a set or get him in for a double gonad transplant.

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    • Heika says:

      Trouble is, Mr Graham is part of it and very cross about Trump pulling from Syria to boot. The degree of swamp can be seen right now in that he has NOT done anything. He is fall of lies, and a weak spined conman. What a pathetic human being.

      Liked by 12 people

      • yep….he’s a piss-ant.

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Graham is another crooked RINO, his top priority is convincing regular voters that he’s not just another crooked RINO.

        Other than that his priority is to pull off an amnesty without ever using the word amnesty.

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        • jebg46 says:

          Let’s not mention that the entire House and Senate want continuous wars! How many are earning behind the scenes in the war machine? Plus lining their pockets from Chamber of China-commerce. They’re all despicable. They want everything to stay the same as the last 75 years. President Trump is the disruptor of the money flows.

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          • Abolition Man says:

            I LIKE THAT jebg46! The Chamber of Chinese Commerce or maybe the Chamber of Chicommerce! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
            Between using the Military-Industrial Complex and the Chamber of Chicommerce as ATM machines; the pols in DC have gotten fat and sassy selling out American workers and small businesses. President Trump is an existential threat to them and their crooked business model. How can their families and friends get RICH if Orange Man keeps rocking the boat!?

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      • noswamp says:

        Graham has LIED day and night. What a spineless person! The people of South Carolina should be ashamed of him.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      There is a reason underlying Lindsey’s dead battery. I can smell it.

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    • neal s says:

      I would like to see one or more hosts such as Tucker or Hannity to have Volker and others who testified in the house, to be interviewed and to answer some questions in public. They could even have Jim Jordan join to also ask questions.

      I think some people who only hearing second-hand reports might be doubting, would be much more likely to be convinced by the words of Volker and others.

      While I don’t hold out much hope for uniparty republicons to do what is right, I would hope that Tucker, Hannity, and possibly others might help out.

      I also think it is time to prosecute some people under the Logan act or for foreign corruption.

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  19. Maybe time to change tactics. The simple question asked by Congressman Scalise is ignored by democrats and shed by MSM as ‘partisan’.

    New tactic, we the people need to go directly to the MSM and start asking them the uncomfortable questions directly. Go to dem town halls and don’t ask the rep… turn around and ask the MSM. Flood their phones, send them letters.

    Ask them the questions they won’t ask.

    Here are a few (please contribute others). I will research and post MSM phone #’s and addresses, etc soon:

    Has the house of representatives been authorized to conduct an impeachment inquiry into POTUS Donald J Trump?

    Why are house committees not divulging all testimony transcripts to sunlight?

    What is the penalty for someone giving testimony if they lie?

    Is the minority party being allowed to ask questions of those giving testimony?

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    • wondering999 says:

      I like the way you think… the media wants to choose our President for us.
      OK, let’s start holding them accountable for their execrable choices.
      Let’s ask them why they have chosen these losers and their disastrous policies.
      Ask in detail.

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  20. Sloth1963 says:

    Distracts from the agenda? It is the agenda.

    Liked by 5 people

  21. gnome says:

    The impeachment process under shif is fubar but how can they climb down without looking even more stupid than they already do?

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  22. MAGADJT says:

    Additionally, the longer this goes on with daily news outlets, morning shows, etc incessantly using the term impeachment, without anything happening, the more the less-engaged political folks will tune it out and assume it is a sham. They had a window at the peak of the hype, and that window has closed.

    What’s more, Pelosi wouldn’t have made this ‘announcement’ if she even thought they were relatively close at getting a vote. This announcement takes all the winds out of their sails, and is in effect, a surrender.

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  23. Burnt Toast says:

    Pelosi calling a dog’s tail a leg does not make it a leg.

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    • Greg1 says:

      You can’t get more wrong. Pelosi calling a dog’s tail a leg makes it a leg and alllllllll of the mains stream media will bring on experts to say that the tail is trans-limbed and therefore a leg. And if you disagree with the trans-limbed you’re a whatever they wanna call you and if you fight back you’re a….a……a…..racist or something……somehow.

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      • donna kovacevic says:

        My local news at 6pm had a bit about the US impeachment, I was pissed I called them and told them they were fake news. The newscaster I spoke with seemed surprised asked me why I said that? I told him if they were to report on this, explain to the people it is NOT a legal impeachment procedure etc etc I went on, he said all they do is report what they are told. At the end of our conversation, I told him they were following american talking points and FO idiots and I would change the channel when they report fake news.

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  24. jeans2nd says:

    The GOPe should retain Pelosi’s new rules when the GOPe takes back the House, which they will do, eventually..
    The RepublicCons will not do this. But they should.

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  25. Magabear says:

    Maybe wishful thinking, but at some point a few dopey media people will have to think to themselves “how come there are no legal consequences for not complying with these “subpeonas””. Then, maybe, they’ll ask the right bleeping questions.

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    • mikeyboo says:

      I suspect many in the media do KNOW why there no legal consequences for failure to comply with these subpoenas. But they don’t want the public to understand the political shenanigans so shush!

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    • jus wundrin says:

      Maybe not so wishful. The first release of the Project Veritas CNN report, CNN people are heard saying that theyre getting tired of the 24/7 Trump hate fest. A crack in the mold?

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  26. rayvandune says:

    Nancy told the troops to go home on break, and dip their toes in the impeachment waters. Sounds like they came back missing toes, and even a few missing feet.

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  27. Where’s Nadler’s bucket of fried chicken to set the tone?

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  28. Judy says:

    Makes me so sick to see Pelosi desecrating our American Flag by wearing that flag pin. Grrrr

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  29. Sprawlie says:

    What a farce! I’m almost starting to think that our politicians are really just outstandingly incompetent rather than evil schemers selling us out to the highest bidder by how badly the Democrats are handling themselves. Almost.

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    • hoghead says:

      “…just outstandingly incompetent rather than evil…”

      Spraw, isn’t that a great blessing? They surely are evil, but if they also are efficient/competent, everything would be much darker.

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  30. jus wundrin says:

    The part of the equation that the dims seem to be missing, is how their rabid base will react. Theyve wanted Trumps head on a platter for nearly 3 years. If nanzi doesnt deliver, and it appears that she wont, things will get really ugly in the deepest blue parts of the US.

    I imagine even they are beginning to see this sham for what it is.

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  31. Loren says:

    A Republic relies on a check and balance system. If Trump can reverse the welfare state, which has taught the people the ease of idleness, he will have changed the country forever. Idle people are a danger to civilization.

    The Founders of this Republic would be the first to sound an alarm of the parallels between the U.S. and Roman fall, the willingness to sell out individual freedoms and local autonomy for a mess of centralized statist and a give me all at no cost society.

    If Trump changes that mentality, he will be know as the greats President since Washington.

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  32. sunnyflower5 says:

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  33. GB Bari says:

    So maybe the strategy is to drag this out as close to next years election as possible. But it’s almost certain that everything they are doing is somehow tested against a control group before it is done.

    I’m thinking that, beyond just the internal House DemonRAT polls, Pelousy has hired DemoncRAT’ pollsters to run continuous polls in key states to see the level of support for what the House is doing.

    At some point, her (Dem) private external polls may indicate the Dems have reached a point of diminishing return for further dragging out the impeachment scam. I’m thinking that PDJT may have some spoilers he hasn’t yet released that’ll toss a monkey wrench into the DemonRAT scam..

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  34. Vince says:

    I don’t see how the democrats can get out of this mess.

    – If they vote to impeach, the senate will not convict, and the evidence will be made public so that the American people know democrats were faking this whole thing.

    – If they give up and stop investigating, their base will stay home for the election, and President Trump will win in a landslide.

    – If they slow walk the “investigation” all the way up to the election in order to suppress the President’s support, Republicans will have free reign to attack their secrecy, their rules, their methods all the way up to the election. They will again lose in a landslide. Not only will they lose, they will lose their base from then on, because the true believers will hate them for not impeaching him while they had the chance, and the rest will finally see the impeachment investigation for what it was, a dirty campaign trick.

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  35. ledygrey says:

    OK, I’m confused. Today, Jim Jordon, made a distinction between last week’s impeachment interviews which were under “transcribed interview rules” and this week’s interviews which were under “subpoena deposition rules” (his words). Which means he can discuss the content of last week’s interviews but not this week’s since they are under subpoena. It sounds like Jordon believes the subpoena “letters” are legal subpoenas and therefore the testimony is secret. I have not heard anyone else bring up the difference.

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    • Zy says:

      Schitt changed the hearing proceedings from “interviews” to “depositions” and trying to convince the sheep that the hearings are now like grand jury proceedings with the inherent secrecy and protections of testimony. That means Democrats can leak favorable narratives and Republicans can’t have anything to counter (like Jordan did with the Volker testimony}.

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  36. Dee Paul Deje says:


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  37. This write-up fits exactly with the latest Project Veritas exposure, CNN is “pushing” nothing but impeachment. Literally making something non-existent the all day every day story.

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  38. 2013gti says:

    So I guess since no vote that ends the fake House impeachment inquiry hearings?

    Yeah….I didn’t think so,

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  39. “Give it up, Nancy … Adam … Jerry … you don’t have a case.”

    The Founders of our Country already anticipated what you are up to – having lived within a Government that recognized “maladministration” as a valid cause for removal from office.

    Instead, they required: “high crimes and misdemeanors.” However, they further carefully stipulated that the Congress could not find anyone “guilty of a crime.” Instead, their powers were limited to “removal from office” – nothing less, and, nothing more. In this way, the Founders intended to firmly enjoin a determination made by the third, Judicial, branch, without strictly requiring that Branch to make the first move. And yet, even though the Judiciary was not required “to have moved first,” they clearly intended that “the Judiciary was, or inevitably soon would be, moving.”

    Nancy, Adam, Jerry … “you have nothing.” Nothing but politics. Nothing but your unabashed hatred for an Officeholder who … like it or not … does not hold his Office “at your pleasure.”

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  40. Linda K. says:

    I think Nancy Pelosi’s latest facelift (her impeachment lift) makes her look like Joan Rivers.

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  41. donny2837 says:

    Without the duplicity of the media. Yep. That’s why the long-awaited counter attack (today D+16) is focused on the media. Media under attack from all sides.

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  42. BL says:

    I tried to find something doesn’t look promising

    https://www.quora.com/Can-the-speaker-of-the-House-be-removed-by-a-motion-to-vacate-the-chair

    With the election of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker (again), new rules have been adopted. Previously, one congressperson could call for a vote on the Speaker.
    Now, it takes a majority of the majority party (e.g., at least 1/4 of the House; more than half the Democrats, regardless of Republicans) to call for reconsideration of the speaker.

    In my travels I found this.. they have been trying to get rid of Pelosi since 2009
    https://www.petition2congress.com/ctas/remove-nancy-pelosi-from-office-now/comments/page/54

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  43. Jase says:

    On the plus side, it makes it easy to identify participants in this latest Brennan/Schiff conspiracy. Odds are that if you appear you are a Brennan creature.

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  44. Pew-Anon says:

    “Speaker Pelosi & Lawfare’s impeachment scheme can only succeed with a compliant media protecting it. So far the media has been entirely compliant in not explaining the fraudulent basis for the construct. If the media would ask questions the fraud would collapse.

    Not just the media. How about all the so-called Freedom Caucus members who have stood in front of TV cameras non-stop and simply sugar coated the whole thing, complaining that’s it “unfair”, or some such drivel. They could have blown this to pieces by simply reading a CTH article verbatim on air. But, no. They are just as complicit as the MSM.

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    • Zy says:

      The Freedom Caucus is all that POTUS has but, yes, the messaging could be way better. Will there ever be a day when they are giving a press conference and there are a couple dozen R’s standing with them supporting fairness and justice if not Trump himself. I wrote a letter to my Congressman asking him essentially to “get his ass out there”,

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  45. Ok, lawyers:

    Can Demo☭rats issuing unsupportable subpoenas be prosecuted as an Abuse of Power?

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      • ledygrey says:

        Another question:
        Since the “subpoena letters” are not legal subpoenas could Jordon, Zeldin, etc, reveal what was said in the “depositions” without legal consequences? If not, why?

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      • jebg46 says:

        All of what Pelosi is doing appears to be a gross abuse of her speakership power. When it was revealed that the ruling majority can change House Rules, I was shocked that our founding fathers had not established any protections from a rogue speaker. As a result American citizens are feeling very vulnerable and there appears there are no remedies except our right to bear arms which, as an old granny, is rather frightening. Surely there must be some way to stop this travesty? I am really trying not to panic.

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  46. thedoc00 says:

    So much for the 51% supporting impeachment. What say you Fox Network?? /sarc

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  47. A2 says:

    The impeachment That is not an impeachment
    Subpoenas that are not subpoenas

    Seems clear to me that this s**t show is actually the DNC campaign for the 2020 elections now being run out of the House, since from what I have read their donations are down and they need to restore their coffers no matter who is revealed to be their chosen one. So the primary debates are also not primary debates.

    Thus, no vote legitimising the impeachment enquiries, because they most certainly will lose. Much more lucrative to run their campaign out of congress and get the taxpayers, all of them to fund it.

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  48. ristvan says:

    There is a more sophisticated discussion over near the end of todays Presidential thread, after a posting of Giuliani’s lawyer Sale short defiant response letter,
    That defiant “ ‘pound sand’ to your ‘subpoena letter’” response is legally brilliant on several separate grounds.
    — cites last Tuesday’s Cippolone letter as a justification
    —cites attorney/client privilege
    —omits mention of the still hidden ‘nuke’ that the House under present long established SCOTUS circumstances has no legitimate subpoena powers.

    Is a further baiting of Schiff and co into a court subpoena enforcement process they cannot in the end win.

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  49. ZurichMike says:

    So everyone called to testify should send a copy of the October 8 letter from White House counsel and say “sorry, not showing up to you sham ‘inquiry’ — and there is not a blessed thing you can do to force me to — please see attached letter”

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  50. Snow White says:

    Ugly, evil beeeotch- she is insane and power drunk. I want to see her tarred and feathered out of DC.

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