President Trump is 100% Correct on Syria Withdrawal – Here’s Why…

Eight years ago Zurich Mike penned an analogy of the ‘Islamist Spring’ that still rings true today, when he said: President Obama helped kill the zookeepers and unleashed the big cats…. The Turkish movement into Syria is all part of this continuum.

When President Obama ignited the “Islamist Spring” with his speech in Cairo Egypt, what he really articulated was a shift in U.S. foreign policy to support The Muslim Brotherhood.

Political Islam, writ large, is represented by The Brotherhood.  Turkish President Recep Erdogan sees himself as the modern leader of political Islam using the Brotherhood to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

Ben Ali (Tunis), Hosni Mubarak (Egypt) and Khadaffi (Libya), were the first zookeepers removed.  Obama’s U.S. foreign policy supported Muslim Brotherhood replacements like Mohamed Morsi in Egypt.  However, Obama failed in the effort to remove Bashir Assad in Syria; as a result all extremist factions of the Brotherhood gathered to form ISIS.

Factions like al-Qaeda, al-Nusra and ISIS all fall under the umbrella of The Muslim Brotherhood.  The exiled Brotherhood leaders initially fled Egypt to Qatar until they were further driven-out by the Gulf Cooperation Council and ultimately given safe-harbor in Turkey, by Recep Erdogan.

As a gatekeeper between radical Islamist elements and Europe, President Erdogan holds the ultimate leverage and blackmail over his NATO allies.  If Europe does not acquiesce to the whims of Erodogan, he can open the gates and flood the EU with extremists.  Erdogan loves to play this power game against the EU and ultimately against the U.S.

President Obama embraced President Erdogan because ideologically the Obama administration and Erdogan both supported political Islam, The Muslim Brotherhood.

Erdogan’s regional arch nemesis is Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.  As a general al Sisi had to deal with the outcomes of Muslim Brotherhood extremism, and ultimately remove Mohamed Morsi from office.   President Sisi formed the Arab coalition that is now aligned with President Donald Trump against the radical elements of political Islam known as The Muslim Brotherhood.

The U.S. Arab coalition includes Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Yemen.  Additionally the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) are aligned against the radical elements within political Islam (The Brotherhood), and the U.S. is supporting the coalition with self-defense military purchases.

Regarding the Northern Syria border with Turkey, many of our U.S. politicians want the U.S. military to continue the role of zookeepers to keep political Islam in check.  In essence the Lindsey Graham position is for the U.S. military to remain in Syria to keep the big cat cages closed.  Graham’s policy viewpoint means no exit from the middle-east, ever.

However, Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan wants to be the biggest cat in the zoo.  His goal is the recreation of the Ottoman Empire and his alignment with The Muslim Brotherhood is purposeful to achieve this goal.

Ultimately the largest stakeholder in this dynamic is Europe, because they stand the greatest risk if Erdogan is successful and then turns his assembly toward Europe.  Remember, Erdogan as President of Turkey is now the gatekeeper; and Erdogan is also a member of NATO.

Unfortunately Europe will not defend itself; will not kick Erdogan out of NATO; will not take their own ISIS fighters back for trial and punishment; and instead, just like Lindsey Graham, the EU demands the U.S. remain as perpetual zookeepers.

Additionally to further provoke antagonism in policy, the EU will not pay for the U.S. to remain as zookeepers and the EU simultaneously fights the U.S. on trade agreements so they can continue their one-way financial benefits.

So what has President Trump decided?  What are the outcomes?

Turkish President Erdogan was going to enter Syria regardless of what the EU, NATO or the U.S. said about it.  Erdogan has the support of political Islam, that’s what is important to his objectives.  The EU is so weak, they won’t kick Turkey out of NATO.

Ultimately President Trump is highlighting the reason why the U.S. should withdraw from NATO by spotlighting the insufferable weakness of the assembly.  NATO won’t even vote to defend their own interests, so why should the U.S. be their crutch?

With Europe refusing to stand-up to defend their own interests, President Trump is removing U.S. forces from the untenable position of guarding all the big cat cages, ad infinitum, to keep the zoo status intact.

Instead, President Trump is going to support the Arab coalition and the GCC that has been assembling a military coalition to protect itself from the Muslim Brotherhood.

That is why President Trump is willing to support Saudi Arabia with more troops, while withdrawing from Syria where the U.S. was having to stand alone to protect the interests of Europeans who will not protect themselves.

In one regional area the U.S. will support and defend Israel, Egypt and Jordan. In the Southern region the U.S. will support the Gulf Cooperation Council (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain and Qatar).

Will political Islam likely have a resurgence in the region, and will Recep Erdogan rise as the head of the Ottoman Empire once again?   The former is likely, the latter is unknown.

President Trump is correctly withdrawing U.S. troops from a position of adversarialism against a NATO member.  Why should the U.S. protect the interests of allies who will not stand-up to protect themselves…

President Trump is correct.

President Trump will use economic weapons against Turkey…. And, in keeping with the doctrine, Europe better watch out.  President Trump will likely use economic weapons against the EU for creating this mess and refusing to defend themselves.

President Trump will use military weapons to protect allies that are: (A) willing to protect themselves, and (B) willing to pay for the support of the U.S. military protection.

It is really a common sense doctrine… Help those who help themselves.

As if on cue….

“Complicated business folks,.. complicated business”…

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248 Responses to President Trump is 100% Correct on Syria Withdrawal – Here’s Why…

  1. JustScott says:

    Just came back online 7:20EST

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  2. Abolition Man says:

    One wonders if there is a possibility of cooperation between Syria/Russia and the GCC. I for one think that a big part of the whole Russia Hoax was Chicom money used to finance bad relations between the U.S. and Russia. China is deathly afraid of closer ties between us and Russia. That may explain part of the DemoKKKrat hysteria since part of their M.O. is to sell American jobs, businesses and technology to the Chinese. Hunter Biden is just cup or ladle in the bucket.

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  3. Mary Hysmith says:

    Contrary to the grandstanding of our politicians, we do not form alliances because we see their leaders as ‘nice’ guys. Rather it is about US interests. The Middle East has always been about oil. While we now do not need Saudi oil, the world market is dependent on it. We are aligned with Saudi to maintain stability of that market. Nothing more.

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    • jx says:

      The Saudi’s can protect their own interests. We’ve sold them enough military equipment. There is no need for us to be mercenaries for these creeps.

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    • Old Dawg says:

      How true! Your analysis with regard to alliances based upon ‘nice guys’, reminded me of Disraeli’s comment made more than a century ago, “…the only kingdom that runs on piety is the kingdom of heaven. The kingdoms of earth run on oil”.

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    • GGHD says:

      Donald Trump and most Americans are religious. … Donald Trump understands the Transforming power of religion in people. … The men that crashed two airplanes into the Twin Towers in New York were religious >Jihadists. = They killed themselves and all those people with the idea, that such a deed would open a religious paradise for the men that hijacked the two planes. There is a large number of religious people in the Islam World that supports a Jihad of War.

      Most of the people in Russia are religious. With the fall of Communism, the Russian Orthodox Church reemerged. Putin professes religious beliefs. = But religious or not, Putin sounds like he would enjoy hammering on Turkey with the Big Russian Hammer. … Will Trump allow Turkey to hide underneath the USA portion of the NATO umbrella, if Russia hammers Turkey? … Trump just might tell Germany, England and France to provide the NATO umbrella for a conflict between Russia and Turkey.

      Christianity has really waned in Europe. Most of the devoutly religious people in Europe are now the Muslims. … Asking a non-religious group of people to maybe suffer and die during a grievous war would be difficult; the non-religious group would rather enjoy sitting in a Bistro eating a cup of Gelato.
      “Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry”. [Not for the devoutly religious]

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  4. jx says:

    Why should we be allied with Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar or Yemen?

    Saudi Arabia spreads Wahabism. Qatar armed ISIS. Yemen has nothing to offer. Kuwait? “Dumping babies in incubators onto the floor”. Bahrain, Oman? What do they offer us?

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    • ALEX says:

      Kurds don’t have oil. The other thing they will be fighting over is fresh water….soon enough

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      • Sherri Young says:

        IIRC, Syrian Kurds don’t have oil. Iraqi Kurds do have oil.

        Remember those convoys of oil tanker trucks that Obama viciously pelted with leaflets? Weren’t they coming down from the Kurdish area of Iraq?

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      • Hanuman says:

        You make me cringe.
        Wrong.
        Look on map.
        Don’t be ignorant and give us bad name.
        See below
        Hanuman on October 13, 2019 at 8:10 pm
        Oil in Eastern Syria

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    • Bert Darrell says:

      Jx says: “Saudi Arabia spreads Wahabism. Qatar armed ISIS. Yemen has nothing to offer. Kuwait? “Dumping babies in incubators onto the floor”. Bahrain, Oman? What do they offer us?”

      Bert’s answer:

      A little effort put into research shows that, as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Oman are oil producers and exporters (Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait to have a beach mansion there). They contribute to keeping oil prices at a reasonable level. Yemen is the back patio of Iran right now (that’s where they play proxy war games against the Saudis).

      Qatar loves the Muslim brotherhood but Erdogan has shown that he loves them even more. What do most of these countries (except Turkey) offer us? Some headaches but occasional help and $billions spent on military equipment. If we don’t deal with them, then China and Russia will rush in to fill the gap. Not good for us.

      Saudis are spending quite a few $billion in modern American war equipment (thousands of jobs) and our participation if needed (more than NATO does). PDJT says: no freebies anymore, guys. Want to save your skin? You have to pay us.

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      • jx says:

        The Saudi’s can spill their own blood to protect their infrastructure/interest..

        As for oil, we can support ourselves. Europe depends on their oil. How about France and Germany, the bigshots of the EU, spill their blood being mercs for the Saudis? Or better yet the Saudi do it themselves. Why not the Saudis?

        The Saudi’s are scum. I sick of spilling American blood for these scum.

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        • Somebody says:

          Technically, I believe we still import Saudi oil because somehow it’s easier to refine into gas than the fracked oil. However, we export our oil so net/net we’re energy independent. I know there are supposed to be a couple of new refineries coming a two I believe are being revamped. I don’t know, but I would assume the new or revamped refineries might be better able to refine the fracked oil.

          None of that is to say I support endless wars in the ME, I don’t. We’ve spent too much blood and treasure there.

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    • big jim says:

      @jx
      so people should hate the US;
      because Dems support;

      planned parenthood, BLM and antifa?

      and certain factions of US .gov did guns for drugs?

      What if the majority of the Saudi PEOPLE
      have wanted to overthrow wahabiism but were not supported by king?

      All the things you list are agregious wrongs
      hoewever not all Saudis suppprt them

      Help Good PEOPLE;
      Punish Evil People for Evil

      President Trump sees this and is trying to support it.

      listen to his first UN Address and reread this article
      you will have the answers
      and
      more importantly the peace you seek

      be well

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    • Marina Sapir says:

      Saudi Arabia is our outpost in stopping the influence and power of Iran in the region. Iran is our sworn enemy, terror sponsoring nation.

      ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban are manifestations off Islam. You destroy one group, Islam produces another, as a hydra with many heads. It is pointless to spread our military all over the Middle East to try to clump down of each one of these terrorist groups. You can not teach Muslims how to live.

      But Iran is in different category. We need to stop them.

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  5. ALEX says:

    This move will be respected in the region and I’m done with the endless war and false honor crowd.

    Turkey is still a NATO member and regardless has to respect the Syrian border under international law. The Kurds have to deal with their host nations and our protectorate was false hope,

    We can stay along the northern Iraq border and still be engaged with the new alliances, which will be close to the norm.

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    • wendy forward says:

      Traditionally, up until the rise of Erdogan and Islamism in Turkey, the military was the most respected profession in Turkey and the guardian of Kemalist secularism. After Erdogan secured power, he broke the military using the attempted “coup” in 2016. So now he fantasizes about reestablishing the Ottoman Empire, conquering the same countries Turkey ruled before, with a broken military.and no Janissaries (local forces working for the Turks). Yeah, no.

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  6. Devil in the Blue Drapes says:

    The US (we the taxpayers and military families-All gave some and some gave all), have armed, trained and fought along side of various ME countries for decades. Hell, we walked off and left Iraq with enough equipment than most countries have in their own arsenal.

    We continue to buy “security” in the ME. It’s time for the EU to fish or cut bait. Aside from Beijing, I suspect the EU will be prolific meddlers in the 2020 election.

    That said, I’ve posted this in a previous thread, and highly recommend this podcast to understand the complexities (historically thru today) among the ME countries/tribes/political.

    “Conflicted” as told by a former Al Qaeda bomb maker embedded with Bin Laden, who awoke to the realization that AQ’s jihad wasn’t what he signed up for, Aimen Dean left to work as a double agent for MI6.

    Interestingly, Dean maintains, that because of their beliefs and history, ME countries are not “wired” for democracy, and instead, the countries who enjoy “stability” thrive best under a monarchy.

    The podcast consists of 6 one hr episodes. I’ve kept it in my favs and plan to listen again. It’s available on numerous streaming platforms.

    https://messageheard.com/conflicted

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  7. DiogeneseVindicated says:

    I think the older elements on the sidelines of power within the kingdom are on the side of the brotherhood but I see MBS as a true reformer. I think SA has crossed a point of no return in regard to reform. MBS has done a good job of keeping the lid on the radical elements. The further SA transitions to international norms the more unlikely they will be subject to subversion. I disagree with you in saying they have not reformed. I hear divorce is on the table, women can now drive and recieve education. If they change any faster it would be destabalizing.

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  8. CountryDoc says:

    This is a side point in the POTUS tweet posted by Sundance above. “If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom determine to be off limits…”

    Don’t flame me for being a concern troll. I’m a fan of our POTUS. I am coming to like his New York Street talk and its effect as a disruptive influence. But I treat people in my office who cringe and shudder at that kind of talk. It goes against the wisdom of humility (which is not meekness) “Pride goes before a fall”. POTUS has humility. He uses advisors. He delegates.

    So here is my question: Why does he say stuff like that? I knows exactly how it sounds. He knows the negative effect it will have. What is the positive? My guess is that those who see with practical eyes see his wisdom and trust him and it doesn’t matter and he is just purposely widening the divide between patriots in this country and enemies. (Patton and Churchill talked like this. I think Grant and Sherman did as well. Mattis does (and he has some admirable qualities).

    Also, you can’t really refute, based on his tracks, that his wisdom is great and pretty unmatched….

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    • NC Patriot says:

      It was 1/2 sarcasm and half humor——-and he knew he would trigger the naysayers! Haven’t we watched him long enough to recognize that? Chill.

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    • My thought is because POTUS had a pretty good idea that Syria, Russia, and the Kurds would TCB and we wouldn’t have to do anything.
      In 6 months when the Ottoman Empire joke of an idea has imploded, and Turkey is relegated to a poorman’s Iran, POTUS May say “see I told you so.” The question is will it be before or after calling out the fake news and swamp politicians.
      Additionally, the aforementioned alliance may do what we aren’t allowed to do when it comes to wiping out a group evil people from the face of the planet.

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    • lotbusyexec says:

      Trump is not only a very stable genius BUT he is also a showman of the best kind, Just finished An American Life Barnum by Robert Williams and wondered what it would be like to have lived during his time period and then I quickly thought I kind of am 😉 LOVE my VSGPDJT! Lucky to be alive and watch his genius in action.

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    • Redzone says:

      Doc- in my opinion, that is PT being PT. Importantly, though, if PT wasn’t who he is, I doubt he could withstand the unrelenting attacks he has been under since he started running for President.

      For all those who want to point out what they perceive as shortcomings, I would suggest that those are traits necessary to withstand the neverending Democrat attacks of him, his family, and our country.

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    • Larry says:

      Think of Donald’s “pomposity” as “altitude” in a dogfight. If his opponent doesn’t rise to the bombastic heights, they will be at a disadvantage if/when events challenge their sensibilities. His opponents will be seen as meek or unsure if they cannot rise to the occasion.

      Donald can drop the attitude/”altitude” and it is seen as something of a joke… “That’s just Donald…” After a period of time, he can climb to new heights.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        That’s my perception as well. Problem is I have to listing to all the patients who come see me as a doc all melting down over his “Unchristian”, “Unpresidential”….. you name it. Seriously. Not able to function. The treatment …. Red Pill therapy. 🙂

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        • wendy forward says:

          Maybe tell them if they stop worrying about POTUS’ language they’ll get better faster:)

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        • Joe Blow says:

          I love my brothers and sisters in the Lord, so what I say here I say out of love: some of them really need to get over themselves where POTUS’ language and methods are concerned. Half the time he says things like that, it’s not even meant seriously, rather only to rile up the enemy.

          All they need to remember is that the Lord raised our president up for a time such as this. They need not agree with everything he says or does, but they should be less quick to judge. There is unfortunately an element of discontent that exists among some because his speech and actions do not always reflect what they themselves would expect of a fellow brother. Since I am sadly resigned to the fact that a born-again Christian would have virtually no chance of ever becoming president in this country, these people should stop looking for what is their idea of a “perfect president” and do as the Word says, instead praying for the one whom God chose.

          You might also ask them if they would rather have President Hillary, who quite possibly sacrifices babies to Baal.

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          • Jan says:

            IMHAO, the Dimms were going to do this to any Republican candidate in 2016 and if another Republican other than Pres. Trump had been elected, he/she would have been treated almost as badly unless he/she were a RINO/GOPe. This will continue with any conservative in the White House until we kill the swamp. And I know of no conservative who could have survived all of this Dimm/MSM/GOPe/RINO onslaught except for Pres. Trump.

            IMHAO, Pres. Trump has no choice but to constantly defend himself on twitter and elsewhere. The media has made it so.

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            • cattastrophe says:

              Jan, what is hated most is the fact Pres.Trump does it successfully. Even those who say they are on his side never fail to criticize even though he succeeds in harassing and humbling the enemies. None of those critics would last an hour from the onslaught Pres. Trump has endured for years. I ignore all naysayers no matter which side they say they’re on.

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          • ichicinnabar says:

            Joe,

            Thank you. We all see the world through different eyes. I have never been bothered by President Trump’s language or turn of phrase. He is very clever and I enjoy his quick wit. I enjoy his refreshing honesty. I am so, so, tired of the lying and posing in this world. He is a fresh spring of mountain water.

            I have half wondered if those complaining of his language are not being honest with themselves. Others actually do speak crudely, President Trump does not. He is honest and as some have said is a showman. This prideful complaining is selectively focused on an honest President.

            What honesty does is it expose the dishonesty within. It is the truth that makes them uncomfortable and not the language. Are they afraid of others and cowtow to the opinions of those who they think are their betters. Maybe. At this point those complaining about language, still after all this, do not get much sympathy from me.

            “I tell them the truth and they say I am giving them hell” – Pres. Harry Truman.

            Its not a problem. Get over it.

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        • Austin Holdout says:

          Doc-I have a daughter who struggles with the same things and I often wish I didn’t have to respond to “but he’s such a jerk”. I have gotten in the habit of sending her stories about policies he supports or the Dems oppose with a note saying “Personalities are irrelevant. Vote for those whose policies benefit your family”. Maybe some version of that approach would help your patients and you. Good luck.

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    • wendy forward says:

      That’s the only kind of talk the Turks respect.

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  9. Great analysis; I agree with Trump. Very clever approach.

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  10. Steven King says:

    A long time ago I read the articles of NATO. Nations would come to the defense of a member nation if they were attacked. Not obligated to support a Nation’s war of conquest. So, if Turkey were attacked as a counter to their attack on another nation they should be SOL. I’m not sure on this.

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  11. 1gr8dane says:

    When you’re a master strategist – you make the moves that win the game. NATO was instituted as a buffer against communist Russia should a war erupt. Since the USA was the key to making it work when it was built – we now have a President that will make those who are in it – support it, defend it and step up to the plate. If these nations want to stand back, rip us off and then whine – let them! This President has had enough, and is stopping the bloodshed of American military lives in support of those countries who refuse to support themselves. It is way past time for them to put their military on the ground to do the job they refused to do.

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  12. keeler says:

    Turkey is a bad actor.

    Withdrawing US troops draws this fact into the open.

    IMO US withdrawal, in addition to the points outlined above, allows Erdogan to jump out on a limb. Northern Syria is now a spike to impale his neo-Ottoman project on.

    I don’t foresee how either success or failure helps the Ottoman Empire rise from the grave. Success in northern Syria should isolate the Erdogan government from neighbors, allies, and the international powers; failure to defeat a small state weakened by a decade of civil war speaks for itself. In either case the would-be sultan is left in a worse off position than he was before, at least from an international standpoint.

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      One of the things that has seemed awry to me recently was the early days of the narrative concerning the man purportedly killed in the Saudi embassy in Turkey – the way that the story of the Apple watch was transmitting the ongoing assault/murder when there is no way that could have happened but I didn’t hear it shot down right away as bogus and BS –

      the so-called “journalism” on the story was clumsy, cloddish and timid, not questioning a storyline proffered by totalitarian actors used to not being questioned along basic lines of logic, common sense or technical insuperabilities (e.g. Apple watch doing things in a place where it would not be able to communicate in the way they said)

      so, it makes this critical-thinking child of the Cold War era go either, “huh?” “uh-no” or “hmm”

      and the “world of journalists” trying to convince us that the Saudis are the only bad actors
      in this scenario but that there is not anything wrong with the Turkish side because they have the “evidence” from the Apple Watch . . .

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  13. sunnyflower5 says:

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    • Allard Otten says:

      I wonder if the Turks, Syrians, Russians, GCC or whomever will be giving these prisoners trials, conferring with the ICC about proper protocol or requesting the EU to repatriate their nationals?

      Must be a lot of meetings in the EU now discussing whether to bitch about it now for propriety’s sake or to just STFU until it’s done with just in case somebody decides to call their BS and drop their nationals at their border, along with their closest hundred friends and relatives.

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  14. Stringy theory says:

    Great piece, Sundance. I have been hoping President Trump will pull us out of the worse than useless NATO. Graham and the perpetual warmongers can go to hell as far as I am concerned. I am so proud of our POTUS for all he has done, and continues to do.

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    • Southern Trumpette says:

      “Ultimately President Trump is highlighting the reason why the U.S. should withdraw from NATO by spotlighting the insufferable weakness of the assembly. ”

      Same thing is true of the U.N. ….. x 1,000.

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      yes, thank you, Sundance for all the work on this – printed it out for my Mom to read, too (she is pretty resolute about not allowing any more garbage reporting from the tv on this)

      our President is the greatest – we are so proud of him and pray for him and all of his people throughout the day

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      it would be interesting if the Kurds were ultimately able to work WITH Syria and broker a one-on-one transaction with Syria for their mutual benefit, long-term –

      is Lindsey Graham trying to perpetuate the “legacy” of John McCain to villianize Assad?

      if Lindsey Graham’s chief concern is what will happen to the Kurds but Assad WORKS with the Kurds to their mutual benefit and safety, where does that leave Lindsey?

      John McCain is gone but Adam Kinzinger and Evan McMullin are still around – maybe we could get them to reminisce how it was that John McCain took on the job of going after Assad – was he given the job of going after THAT “zookeeper” while the Muslim Brotherhood was working on Tunisia, Libya and Egypt?

      Did the trio (McCain, Kinzinger and McMullin) ever consider the impact on the Kurds when they went to meet with the ISIS guys?

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  15. RJinAlberta says:

    Highly educational, thank you Sundance. I’m ordering Pres. Trump’s book. See if I can pick up a few tips, he’s the greatest problem solver I’ve ever seen.

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  17. Terra says:

    Amazing to watch all the war mongers…Congressional reps have plenty of time to spew their days away on cable news but not one has made a move to authorize military action! If i recall they didn’t in the first place with Syria. Not one other country representative has said boo about the POTUS decision to move the troops to safety, as they were merely “support” in the destruction of the ISIS caliphate. What would be the penalty for a POTUS green lighting a combat stance against a NATO ally? The talking heads would sound the same…and likely worse as the NATO allegiance is likely the ONLY thing saving Turkey’s ass right now. The Kurds were not abandoned by Trump…they were abandoned by the EU hell bent on the status quo…minimal responsibility with almost NONE of the cost! He is always right…and they will never keep up. Their obsession with chasing ghosts of elections past have made them into some of the dumbest people with a platform I have ever seen!

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    • CNN_sucks says:

      Solution on all these politicians pearl clutching. Congress can declare war. Put them all in record and drafted all their adult children to war.

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    • Austin Holdout says:

      You’re absolutely right about what the pearl clutches would be saying if Trump had left our troops there (“made them sitting ducks waiting for slaughter between the Turks and Russians”) or if he had added troops (“authorizing war against our NATO ally without congressional approval”). As is always the case in 2019, 99.9% of these goons’ policy opinions are directly driven by what opinion they believe will hurt Trump’s re-election chances more. They haven’t the slightest concern for our national security interests, nor our troops sandwiched between the Turks and Russians without adequate resources, nor a mandate. I had to turn off Chris Wallace today before his whining about our “duty” to our Kurdish allies made me throw something at my own TV.

      My son in law is an active Marine. Having spineless nitwits like Wallace, a mere journalist (and a very poor one) wag his finger at one of the President’s top military advisors and try to shame him for moving out 1000 troops with no congressional mandate in that country for the sole purpose of indulging his TDS infuriated me. We allied with the Kurds for the limited mission of destroying the ISIS base. We helped them, they helped us. We didn’t take them to raise. If congress wants the US to take the Kurds to raise forever, let them get off their duffs and pass a declaration of war. Otherwise, not one member of Congress, and certainly no second rate journalism degree flunky has a single leg to stand on in this debate. Until Chris Wallace wins a Presidential election, he doesn’t get to make decisions reserved for the Commander in Chief. Meanwhile, his constant ankle biting of the real President does nothing but provide fodder to our enemies, making him one of them in my book.

      Thank anyone who read my rant all the way to the end and who is part of this community of like-minded patriots. I feel better having a place to rant.

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  18. kallibella says:

    I thank God for His mercy for allowing President Trump to be our 45th president and not the Crooked One.
    Once again, President Trump is right on this issue. Bring our soldiers home.

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  19. gofer says:

    I Lived Through Jihad, the diary of a lady, in Egypt, showing the horrors of the Arab Spring and MB:

    http://www.cheriberens.net/i-lived-through-jihad-heres-what-it-was-like.html

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  20. CNN_sucks says:

    Germany and France has stopped sending arms to Turkey. Kurds and Damascus are joining forces to stop the excursion. Erdogan can unleash all these refugees/terrorist at Europe doorstep. Let us see first how far Turkey can continue their aggression without ammunition and what Europe are going to do with more terrorists at their doorstep.

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  21. JackB says:

    This is a smart move by President Trump to withdraw US military from Syria if he can make it stick. He should also get our military out of Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. Not only will he be fulfilling a campaign promise but he’ll also be pulling us out of a blackhole that’s been draining trillions of dollars and precious blood of our soldiers.

    “Factions like al-Qaeda, al-Nusra and ISIS all fall under the umbrella of The Muslim Brotherhood.”

    Is this correct? I’ve read that al-Qaeda and ISIS are Salafists backed by Saudi Arabia who are opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood.

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  22. William Schneider says:

    I too thank you Sundance for helping to make sense out of jungle of complexity in the mid east. Bless you for the great analysis and thanks God Trump has a brain trust to help him navigate this mid east mine field.

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  23. Mike in a Truck says:

    Who gives their kid a muslim middle name? Not Christians that’s for sure. And the Warparty/Uniparty/ Welfare party has been proven wrong- again.Americans would do well to remember this next time these frauds wrap themselves in the flag and want to send our kids off to die for nothing.

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  24. Do stop thinking about tomorrow says:

    Simple way for President Trump to turn this on its head. Demand a Join Session of Congress explain to situation then ask them to declare war on Turkey.

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  25. Petrel says:

    The ‘Kurds’ occupy a mountainous (i.e. sheep and goat grazing) region in border lands of Iraq, Syria and Iran. The ‘Kurds’ comprise a multitude of different ethnic groups and tribes — some of which were mentioned in the Bible, 3,000 years ago, as lethal foes of ancient Israel and which are now reduced to 600 very poor shepherd families and 16,000 sheep.

    As you might expect, the terrain and shepherding have never permitted much concentration / education / interaction. While some ‘Kurds’ dreamed and continue to dream of nationhood like Switzerland, these ethnic groups do not really think of themselves as a unity. Some discreet tribes have invaded adjacent oil-rich fields in Iran, Iraq and Syria during times of instability, but don’t seem to have shared their oil wealth, while a Maoist inspired ideology has infected others.

    Needless to say, President Obama and Senator McCain recruited, trained and championed the Maoists, who form part of the US hired ‘Free Kurds’ platoons, which drive President Erdogan into a panic.

    When Russia stepped into Syria in 2015, Moscow offered the ‘Kurds’ the same terms offered by Damascus earlier: 1) Amnesty & Reconciliation, 2) Withdrawal from oil-field occupation, 3) Recognition & Participation in Syrian politics. The ‘Kurds’ refused.

    When ISIS began to implode in 2017, the ‘Kurds’ grabbed as much of lowland Syria east of the Euphrates as they could, while threatening Damascus with terrorism. Despite, having grabbed oil-rich Syrian land, the ‘Kurds’ felt safe behind US Force protection and turned down Moscow’s repeated offers of mediation and reconciliation with Syria.

    18 months later, with the US withdrawing from Syria and with Turkey gearing up to invade these oil-rich fields of Syria, the ‘Kurds” have had a change of heart. Suddenly, the ‘Kurds’ are reaching out to Moscow and Damascus for protection. In a CNN interview, Kurdish General Mazloum Kobani threatened he would cut a deal with Moscow and Damascus if America would not defend his folk:

    “I need to know if you [ Americans ] are capable of protecting my people, of stopping these bombs falling on us or not. I need to know, because if you’re not, I need to make a deal with Russia and the [ Assad] regime now and invite their planes to protect the region.”

    Alas for General Kobani and his followers in the oil-rich fields, Turkish and Syrian troop movements are racing to clash on those very acres and the time for ‘Kurdish’ reconciliation many have passed.

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    • rashomon says:

      Thank you for pointing out that “The Kurds” are actually dozens and dozens of tribes, many having distinctive religious practices and culture that differ from other tribes, who have occupied the ME for thousand of years. The Brits and French trying to democratize anything in that area always has been a futile waste of time and, after WWI when the U.S. was drawn into the fray by our globalist and mercantile leaders who smelled oil, the turmoil became a never-ending game of Risk.

      The Assad family has battled the Muslim Brotherhood since its inception. Why Obama/Clinton/Kerry/McCain et. al. were allowed (by our Congress) to “take down” one country after another to benefit the MB boggles the mind. No wonder they have a list of “insurance policies” to destroy PDJT for fear that he will expose their treachery and exploitation of those sovereign nations. That evil regime weaponized our entire country.

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  26. JoeMeek says:

    “Erdogan’s regional arch nemesis is Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. As a general al Sisi had to deal with the outcomes of Muslim Brotherhood extremism, and ultimately remove Mohamed Morsi from office.”

    And don’t forget Graham and McCain went over to Eqypt and tried to harangue the Egyptians into bringing Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood back to power.

    MSM Blackout? Egyptians Enraged by U.S. Outreach to Muslim Brotherhood

    “These two men (McCain and Graham) have made more shameless demands than the Brotherhood themselves would dare. [McCain and Graham] is not a man elected by the American people to speak on their behalf; today, he speaks on behalf of an armed terrorist organization — the Muslim Brotherhood. … We had expected [better] from these two men(McCain and Graham) who came to speak with the tongue of the Brotherhood’s leadership, as if they had been recruited as two new leaders of the Brotherhood, which killed, destroyed, and burned in al-Muqattam, and now in Rab‘a al-Adawiya [the main Brotherhood militant camp].

    The only thing missing is to see them (McCain and Graham) in Rab‘a, surrounded by armed groups, and in their midst Muhammad Badie [supreme leader of the Brotherhood] and [U.S. Ambassador] Anne Patterson [whom Mattis tried to make Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy] . That’s all that’s missing! Here comes Brother McCain [and Graham) today saying that we must “release the [Brotherhood] prisoners”.

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  27. Larry says:

    I think if you want to get rid of Erdogan, you need to kick Turkey out of NATO and blow up their economy. All the dominoes are moving into position, and Erdogan is doing the moving. (As Napoleon was fond of saying, Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.)

    I guess Jordan Peterson’s comments about an IQ threshold of 83 rings true.

    Maybe Erdogan can buy weapons from Russia, China, or the Ukraine?

    I don’t expect Erdogan to be around in a year’s time.

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  28. US says:

    I am delighted that Zurich Mike has made his mark here. I read him many years earlier at Lucianne. Bravo.

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  29. arze says:

    One-way financial benefits

    The most avoided topic of the Bush/Cheney invasions – occupations — of Afghanistan then Iraq: American blood and treasure wasted on adventures for which there was: No Benefit for We the People.

    Zilch.

    We did not even get a loaf of bread out of these calamitous and destructive catastrophes.

    Obama Gang continued and expanded these.

    Sundance’s statement: [one-way financial benefits] – is the nub of the matter in many ways.

    The US is the big dog; medium sized dogs like Russia and China have watched two decades worth of the US bleed themselves with the purposeless, wasteful, and expensive military adventures/disasters.

    Though those countries have opposed this Bush/Cheney/Obama/Biden Neo Con destruction, they have also consoled themselves, as it were, knowing US was going broke in the process – and thereby making them more powerful as a direct result, viz. US.

    Smaller dogs like Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia all had their own agendas too, and those agendas also meant US squandering scarce resources – on their behalf, not ours — for which none of us here at home would even get a loaf of bread: nothing was in it for us.

    I voted for President Trump precisely because he communicated a change, a new direction away from all of the above that was destroying our nation, financially, militarily, economically, spiritually, and of course the mammoth health costs to treat and heal the soldiers.

    A further consequence of this US madness birthed by Bush/Cheney and expanded by Obama/ Biden is the wrecked families whose loved ones were killed, maimed and who committed suicide after returning from active duty overseas — all for nothing.

    It is worth taking a moment to watch Trump’s remarks last week, especially near the end of that news conference when he spoke about this particular dimension. He recounts how when the dead soldiers are returned home, and the loved ones are there….he mentioned that some of the family members, so overcome with grief. . . . watch it, listen, in the president’s words, describing what he’s seen . . . it is the most emotionally I have ever seen him. [Sundance posted this news conference last week]

    +++++

    PS
    The US press, when Morsi lost power, and was jailed…the US press did a horrendous job explaining what actually happened in Egypt.

    At least ten million people demonstrated, demanding Morsi’s ouster. [the protests so intense, emotional, hatred for Obama’s action so despised, the American embassy in Cairo, among its most fortified in the world, nearly overrun; I believe a bit of it was breached at the time]

    It was a popular revolt, even if our media apostles claimed it was a military coup.

    Obama’s Ambassador to Egypt, the pathetic Anne W. Patterson, check out how she was treated during this popular revolt to oust Morsi.

    “GET OUT!”, Egyptians shouted at her.

    Protesters carried signs calling her: HAYZABOON, Arabic for ogre.

    Patterson was trying to order Egyptian General Al-Sisi to release jailed Muslim Brotherhood who had been killing people in cold blood, that were protesting against Morsi.

    Stop for a second…Here is Obama, via the idiot Patterson, directly interfering in another country. [Obama/Biden/Clinton/Kerry succeeded in toppling Libyan and Ukraine leaders] [The next brain dead person that tells me Trump is “interfering” in Ukraine, is more than brain dead—newsflash: toppling other governments and trying to is the ultimate interference—and ultimate corruption, and obstruction of justice]

    Al-Sisi, who continues to fight the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, especially in the Sinai, has common cause with Syria’s Al-Assad, who, along with the myriad Sunnite terrorists Sundance alluded to in the essay, also includes the Syrian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    As a footnote, the CIA first attempted a coup in Syria in 1949.

    As for the question/perplexity Sundance mentioned:
    [[Will political Islam likely have a resurgence in the region, and will Recep Erdogan rise as the head of the Ottoman Empire once again? The former is likely, the latter is unknown.]]

    There is zero chance President Erdogan’s dream of becoming Sultan Erdogan. Zip, Zero and Nada.

    Asia Minor, or Anatolia, where Republic of Turkey sits, is the extent of Turkish rule. [And Turkey has a long border with a resurgent Russia.]

    Erdogan can’t even rule the Kurds, and he thinks he is going to rule the myriad tribes and nations and sects and denominations, Christian, Muslim, Jew, other, in the Arab East, in the Hejaz of Mecca and Medina, in Jerusalem, and for that matter, historical Palestine which is now the state of Israel, the greater Levant, Mesopotamia, never mind the Nile and Egyptian heartland?

    Erdogan would do well to heed what Trump has been trying to do since he took office [in spite of The Resistance] – extricate America from the obligations and costs and blood and tears and destruction of Empire.

    Turkey’s economy was not on life support prior to its Syrian adventure — as is it is now – a direct result of him going all in on Obama’s war on Syria. Erdogan obeyed Obama. That’s a fact.

    Ukraine’s economy was not on life support until Obama decided to create war in Ukraine, circa 2014. Thanks to Obama, Ukraine is split apart.

    These are just some of the “messes” that the ‘scandal free’ Obama left behind – that Trump is forced to address.

    Someone should have told Obama to wipe his ass before he left the Oval Office.

    Were Obama the “wise” man he imagines himself to be, he would go on national TV and apologize for his crimes, apologize for lying to us, and for trying to destroy America. [As time passes, I suppose it might be fair to say: we’ll see if he actually succeeded in destroying America]

    He is not a wise man, not yet aware of what he sewn.

    Like Comey, Obama is criminally insane.
    -30-

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  30. thedoc00 says:

    Consider, the Syrian Kurds falling under the control of Assad and the Russians is exactly what the Turks want. The Kurds wanted the US to enable homeland building which leads to conflict with Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria. Their homeland building is a distant and bloody pipe dream, and I do not want US servicemen to be among the fallen. This goes beyond the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Of those criticizing the President:
    For US Politicians its a payday from lobbyists from both sides.

    For the Kurds, its US soldiers shielding their Islamic nation building efforts.

    For the media its headlines and rating ($$$) as well as TDS.

    For the EU, see SD’s article.

    The common thread is US soldiers in danger for no strategic purpose that benefits the US and nota single one of the parties mentioned gives a darn about US soldiers in danger and US tax payer dollars wasted.

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  31. Rynn69 says:

    Sundance! This was an excellent Middle East foreign policy 101 tutorial. TY again.

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  32. Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired says:

    My Fellow Americans:

    RE: A first! A president with the courage to: 1). Stand up for America’s warriors. 2). To tell the whole damn military/industrial complex, the damn establishment, the swamp, idiots far and wide to sit down and shut-up!

    Four points. 1). Our Commander-in-Chief (CINC) is keeping a promise that made many veterans and active duty personnel rush to the polls to support him. 2). Donald Trump is the first CINC in my lifetime who is actually telling the military/industrial complex to sod off! 3). Those of us who have spent many years dealing with many of the groups in the muslim world know the real Kurds, and know they are only allies with infidels when it suits their purposes. 4). The veterans of this nation are fast reaching a very dangerous place regarding corruption/incompetence in the political community, the bureaucracy, and the media. I am afraid that not even the CINC can calm them!

    Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired

    Note: The message below was submitted earlier. Considering the absolutely criminal/cowardly behavior of many in political community, the bureaucracy, and the media think it is appropriate to remind Americans that many of the military community are growing very weary!

    America’s Military History/Destiny/Hex: “Never to win a war save the revolution via leadership and then only one, that being via logistics! The rest only served to enrich the elites among them with power and wealth, while stripping their youth of their lives and/or souls!”

    First Mr. Kennedy, then Mr. Johnson, and finally Mr. Nixon; none wanting to hear the cries of those returning to their homes un-welcomed, nor the silence of those left in the jungles! Then Mr. Bush (the younger) in revenge for his father paid us no heed as he rushed into Iraq! Next, Mr. Obama surrounded by his brilliant young advisors so blinded by their arrogance and ignorance only to bring rise to un-imagined horrors. Now comes Mr. Trump with his Commander-in-Chief tasks divided for having to fight multitudes of self-serving cowards at home, while facing an enemy sworn to serve an unseen master to the death!

    The only prayer left to those of us who have shared the horrors of war is that God welcomes our brothers and sisters who’s souls have gone on to be with him, while we do not neglect those who still walk the earth today with souls just as dead!

    An old vet who cannot forget!

    TROOPERS LONG LOST & FORGOTTEN

    We killed and crippled in the name of freedom; in the jungle we planted our young with only prayers to lead and feed them.

    Blinded to the enemy the death march began as the jungle screamed the beginning of their end.

    In subhuman conditions healthy flesh bred rot, while in the trees hung bodies stripped of only God knows what not.

    Some sought their own release unaware if friend or foe; thrusting against a shield to kill hidden foe, often never to show.

    Only the dead pained no more, the living were in hell forced to bear the daily death and gore evermore.

    Years uncountable passed while vast numbers died; others came home without welcome and with wounded souls who could only cry.

    Some retreated to the hills never more to be heard, unable to cope or live in a world grown so absurd.

    Others were productive and went on to multiply, but carried scars to affect the apples of their eye.

    We should have cleansed their mortal hurt instead of sweeping them under carpet like long forgotten dirt.

    For some the nightmares never end, haunted by a war that should have never been.

    They left as boys and returned as men; made old after seeing more than they could ever contend.

    They paid the price for a debt society can never repay; robbed of their youth and left with scars affecting generations today.

    Soldier, US Army

    PS Whether it be jungle or desert, the horrors are the same!

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  33. Levon River says:

    Anyone who believes there is any brand of Islam that is *not* “political Islam” is an uninformed loon. So why need adjectives? Why not just call the totalitarian imperialism what it is, which is ISLAM.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      Today they bake, tomorrow they brew
      Then all humanity in shariah and death they plan to stew
      For still far too few understand the devious game
      And fewer still will say it aloud, that simply Islam is the evil’s name!

      Islam is to Humanity and Human Rights as anti-matter is to matter – they can not exist in the same place at the same time – certainly not for very long.

      At some point either Islam dies or Humanity dies.

      “In the end, there can be only one.”

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    • JoeMeek says:

      Whenever any Mohammad and Koran commanded murder, rape, torture, enslavement was committed it became usual to attribute it to “Radical Islamists” presumably practicing “Radical Islamism” or sometimes even simply “Extremists” practicing “Extremism of unknown origin”, rather than Muslims simply practicing Islam itself as it has been practiced for more than 1,400 years. In fact many of these claims begin to sound completely ridiculous to the objective mind that has any grasp of reality. Of course, the Islam Deniers mission is to keep everything confused and misdirected in the minds of the Sheeple Infidels as they are prepared for shariah and slaughter.

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  34. Republicanvet91 says:

    “President Trump is correctly withdrawing U.S. troops from a position of adversarialism against a NATO member. Why should the U.S. protect the interests of allies who will not stand-up to protect themselves…”

    In the absence of responsible media reporting honestly, this is a very good explanation.

    Many of those dopes are simply reporting whatever because ORANGE MAN BAD! A few might have a clue of what is going on and reporting the anti-Trump position which isn’t much different than ORANGE MAN BAD!

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  35. Admin User says:

    thanks for this article. i finally understand WTF is going on…

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  36. Jay Currie says:

    Excellent analysis, Sundance.

    The only thing missing is the position of the Kurds. They are most certainly not Muslim Brotherhood aligned. Nor are they Arabs. They are a huge problem for Turkey as they are a majority in Turkey’s four eastern provinces and their birthrate is huge. A Kurdish genocide is not out of the range of possibility – although the Kurds would go down fighting. However, a more likely outcome is that the Kurds will hold the Turks to a standstill much to Erdogan’s embarrassment.

    There is no reason for the US to be in the Middle East and Trump knows it.

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  37. railer says:

    Good outline, covers all the bases.

    It’s historically underpinned, too. Russia and Turkey have often been at odds over the past centuries. So let Russia square off with Turkey. Let them shoot it out if necessary. I bet they don’t, as the Turks want no parts of the humiliation that would surely follow. In the aftermath, the neocon dreams of overthrowing Assad evaporate, the Turks are knocked back in their box, our troops are pulled back from one of our many endless wars, we save money and blood, and the eurotwits get a dose of reality. That’s winning.

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  38. StanH says:

    Simply flip through the pages of the Old Testament, ancient Sumer, Babylonian, Egyptian texts are replete with warring nations in the Middle/Near East. Push forward to the 5th & 6th centuries CE and you introduce Islam into this hellhole and the later divisions of Sunni and Shiite exactly what the hell are we doing there. “Standard Oil!” Also the ME is one of the best distractions the NWO has and is great for MSM ratings and the news actors become famous. A good time had by all, except for the American people and the West as a whole.

    Once again our Great President Trump has it exactly right. Extricate the USA out of protection distraction racket, and if they insist on killing each other let Allah sort it out.

    Great job President Trump, keep up the good work.

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  39. Mike Robinson says:

    Historically, it’s also important to know why and when the Ottoman Empire went away, and what happened next. Basically, the Empire aligned itself with Germany near the end of WW1. (It probably was lured into doing so.) When Germany lost, the same powers who hog-tied it with the Treaty of Versailles also carved up the rich Ottoman territories with their proven oil and mineral reserves. The British drew all the lines in the sand (literally…) that we have today, imposing “nations” on these tribal people and installing governments that would do the King’s bidding. And please notice that during WW2 and thereafter to this day, nothing was done nor suggested to in any way change this. Because it was advantageous to Western powers, although unknown to the people who live there.

    “It is still unfinished business.”

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  40. dufrst says:

    Superb analysis of the entire big picture in the Middle East by Sundance and I completely agree with this take. The only thing I would add is that Trump always warned against starting WW3 over Syria. You have Turkey, Iran, Russia, and US in the same area backing different factions. The Kurds backed by US, Syria and Russia trying to keep control and Turkey concerned about their own territorial integrity.

    Frankly, I believe Erdogan was responding to the looming power vacuum in Northern Syria that was going to be left by the US. I believe it was Trump not Erdogan that forced the issue by notifying Turkey of his withdrawal from Syria. In response, Turkey had to intervene and create a buffer region between the Kurds in Syria and the Kurdish dominated areas in Turkey. I believe Trump allowed this so long as Erdogan destroyed ISIS in the area and didn’t allow the ISIS prisoners to escape (Trump would not mind them being killed since the EU is not taking them back). If Turkey reneges on that deal, Trump will slap economic sanctions on Turkey.

    Trump is a brilliant strategist and he realized that Iran, Russia and the Kurds would have common cause to maintain the territorial integrity of Syria and would resist the Turks. This would cause the best possible scenario, where you have stalemate or a balance of power confined to that area (think Iran vs Iraq when Sadaam was in power). It’s a return to the policy of stability in the Middle East (Trump essentially sucked Turkey in to achieve this).

    What was happening before this brilliant decision by Trump, was a growing alliance between Russia, Iran and Turkey. The interest of these three powers were converging with the US in the area. Now, with the US withdrawal, the interest of these three powers will diverge. Russia (along with Iran) will arm and back Syria (along with the Kurds) against Turkey.

    What we are seeing here is the reestablishment of the Syrian state. Now that the Kurds and Assad are allied against Turkey, Syria can now properly establish its borders again. The Kurds can now help Assad against this Turkish incursion in return for some autonomy in the Northern areas as Senator Rand Paul alluded. In the meanwhile, the US can have the outcome that we wanted but could not publicly declare, Syria reestablished as a state under Assad and ISIS utterly demolished.

    The NeoCons are apoplectic about this state of affairs because they want Assad out of power. But as with Libya and Iraq, Assad leaving power would create further chaos in the Middle East, which may serve Israel’s purposes but doesn’t serve the interest of the US (stability).

    Last point to tie this all in a bow. It is well known that Saudi Arabia (or GCC) was funding ISIS and other militant Sunni groups in Syria in their proxy war against Iran. I believe it is not coincidental that Trump sent forces into Saudi Arabia while withdrawing forces in Syria. These are chess moves. I believe Trump made a deal with Saudi Arabia to stay out of Syria and essentially allow Assad (and Iran) to retain control in exchange for an increase US presence in the Gulf to deter Iran.

    I can gone on and on about the power dynamics at play here, but the bottomline is Syria (Assad and Kurds now) backed by Russia will repel Turkey or achieve a stalemate that reestablishes Syria’s borders. The US and Turkey have a deal concerning ISIS that the US is watching keenly to determine whether or not to slap sanctions on Turkey. Either way, the US only interest is keeping ISIS in check. To that aim, the US in my view, has a deal with the GCC to stay out of Syria by repositioning troops in Saudi Arabia. Also, if Turkey reneges on their deal, the US can always supply arms to the new Syria-Kurdish alliance after the stalemate to go and clear out ISIS behind their established borders. It’s a brilliant move by our president. It’s a move that could have only been done by a person not beholden to the Washington NeoCon consensus. It’s a move that will ultimately result in stability in the region. Another Mount Rushmore worthy decision by Trump! MAGA!!

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    • dufrst says:

      I will quickly talk about the other major power involved here and that’s the EU. Trump made this move as a response to EU intransigence on the issue of the ISIS fighters. I believe Trump would not have so quickly succumbed to Turkish pressure to invade norther Syria, if the EU had taken more definitive action on the ISIS issue.

      When Trump saw that the EU was not going to take back their ISIS fighters, he allow Turkey to invade Northern Syria granted they take responsibility for killing ISIS and keeping them imprisoned. The Kurds were initially sacrificial in this decision but in the end, Trump realized that the Kurds and Syria (Assad & Russia) now had a common interest to keep Turkey out. Either way, ISIS would be taken care of. The key now is to keep Turkey from getting completely out of control.

      The EU at this point is weak bystander even though they were the impetus behind the US withdrawal. All the EU can hope for now is for Syria to re-establish its borders and annihilate ISIS along with the Kurds throughout Syria. The EU should essentially back whatever US effort is made to contain Turkey.

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  41. Brenrod says:

    Most of the Middle East is a quagmire full of disinformation. The media is constantly conjuring up fake massacres given to them by local reporters because they don’t send their own reporters or their own reporters stay in hotels. In my view Isis was created by the GCC and CIA to fill the void when Obama was unable to use the false flag chemical attacks to invade Syria. Furthermore, the Syrian Kurds follow a different secular communist ideology than the Iraqi Kurds which is important to this issue. Trump is simply allowing the situation to return to the way it was before Obama and the Muslim brotherhood invented their Arab springs. The Syrian Kurds did not have a problem with Assad but they did want more autonomy.

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    • Brenrod says:

      The EU did not support Trump against Iran so why would trump support the EU in Syria?

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    • Brenrod says:

      There is another factor that nobody ever discusses: There is an advantage to having unstable, violent, Jihadi states fighting each other rather than fighting outside their area. Isis brought a lot of terror jihadis into the area to fight and die there. I suspect that is a good thing for the world to send their Jihadi terrorists to somewhere in a desert area to kill each other. Releasing these Isis terrorists in the area may simply keep them all busy. I would not advise anyone to take them home and give them trials it’s best to have them kill each other far away.

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  42. Doug Amos says:

    Also, it should be noted that the Kurds are highly paid mercenaries; they do the job well. They are not pillars of democracy (Iraq, excluded) nor has the United States ever underpaid them for their efforts.

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  43. kinthenorthwest says:

    Anyone know what this is…Heard its over 10,000 troops and they can’t be in contact with family. Hmmm

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  44. kinthenorthwest says:

    Oh we knew Obama was not for us

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