President Trump is 100% Correct on Syria Withdrawal – Here’s Why…

Eight years ago Zurich Mike penned an analogy of the ‘Islamist Spring’ that still rings true today, when he said: President Obama helped kill the zookeepers and unleashed the big cats…. The Turkish movement into Syria is all part of this continuum.

When President Obama ignited the “Islamist Spring” with his speech in Cairo Egypt, what he really articulated was a shift in U.S. foreign policy to support The Muslim Brotherhood.

Political Islam, writ large, is represented by The Brotherhood.  Turkish President Recep Erdogan sees himself as the modern leader of political Islam using the Brotherhood to recreate the Ottoman Empire.

Ben Ali (Tunis), Hosni Mubarak (Egypt) and Khadaffi (Libya), were the first zookeepers removed.  Obama’s U.S. foreign policy supported Muslim Brotherhood replacements like Mohamed Morsi in Egypt.  However, Obama failed in the effort to remove Bashir Assad in Syria; as a result all extremist factions of the Brotherhood gathered to form ISIS.

Factions like al-Qaeda, al-Nusra and ISIS all fall under the umbrella of The Muslim Brotherhood.  The exiled Brotherhood leaders initially fled Egypt to Qatar until they were further driven-out by the Gulf Cooperation Council and ultimately given safe-harbor in Turkey, by Recep Erdogan.

As a gatekeeper between radical Islamist elements and Europe, President Erdogan holds the ultimate leverage and blackmail over his NATO allies.  If Europe does not acquiesce to the whims of Erodogan, he can open the gates and flood the EU with extremists.  Erdogan loves to play this power game against the EU and ultimately against the U.S.

President Obama embraced President Erdogan because ideologically the Obama administration and Erdogan both supported political Islam, The Muslim Brotherhood.

Erdogan’s regional arch nemesis is Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.  As a general al Sisi had to deal with the outcomes of Muslim Brotherhood extremism, and ultimately remove Mohamed Morsi from office.   President Sisi formed the Arab coalition that is now aligned with President Donald Trump against the radical elements of political Islam known as The Muslim Brotherhood.

The U.S. Arab coalition includes Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Yemen.  Additionally the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) are aligned against the radical elements within political Islam (The Brotherhood), and the U.S. is supporting the coalition with self-defense military purchases.

Regarding the Northern Syria border with Turkey, many of our U.S. politicians want the U.S. military to continue the role of zookeepers to keep political Islam in check.  In essence the Lindsey Graham position is for the U.S. military to remain in Syria to keep the big cat cages closed.  Graham’s policy viewpoint means no exit from the middle-east, ever.

However, Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan wants to be the biggest cat in the zoo.  His goal is the recreation of the Ottoman Empire and his alignment with The Muslim Brotherhood is purposeful to achieve this goal.

Ultimately the largest stakeholder in this dynamic is Europe, because they stand the greatest risk if Erdogan is successful and then turns his assembly toward Europe.  Remember, Erdogan as President of Turkey is now the gatekeeper; and Erdogan is also a member of NATO.

Unfortunately Europe will not defend itself; will not kick Erdogan out of NATO; will not take their own ISIS fighters back for trial and punishment; and instead, just like Lindsey Graham, the EU demands the U.S. remain as perpetual zookeepers.

Additionally to further provoke antagonism in policy, the EU will not pay for the U.S. to remain as zookeepers and the EU simultaneously fights the U.S. on trade agreements so they can continue their one-way financial benefits.

So what has President Trump decided?  What are the outcomes?

Turkish President Erdogan was going to enter Syria regardless of what the EU, NATO or the U.S. said about it.  Erdogan has the support of political Islam, that’s what is important to his objectives.  The EU is so weak, they won’t kick Turkey out of NATO.

Ultimately President Trump is highlighting the reason why the U.S. should withdraw from NATO by spotlighting the insufferable weakness of the assembly.  NATO won’t even vote to defend their own interests, so why should the U.S. be their crutch?

With Europe refusing to stand-up to defend their own interests, President Trump is removing U.S. forces from the untenable position of guarding all the big cat cages, ad infinitum, to keep the zoo status intact.

Instead, President Trump is going to support the Arab coalition and the GCC that has been assembling a military coalition to protect itself from the Muslim Brotherhood.

That is why President Trump is willing to support Saudi Arabia with more troops, while withdrawing from Syria where the U.S. was having to stand alone to protect the interests of Europeans who will not protect themselves.

In one regional area the U.S. will support and defend Israel, Egypt and Jordan. In the Southern region the U.S. will support the Gulf Cooperation Council (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain and Qatar).

Will political Islam likely have a resurgence in the region, and will Recep Erdogan rise as the head of the Ottoman Empire once again?   The former is likely, the latter is unknown.

President Trump is correctly withdrawing U.S. troops from a position of adversarialism against a NATO member.  Why should the U.S. protect the interests of allies who will not stand-up to protect themselves…

President Trump is correct.

President Trump will use economic weapons against Turkey…. And, in keeping with the doctrine, Europe better watch out.  President Trump will likely use economic weapons against the EU for creating this mess and refusing to defend themselves.

President Trump will use military weapons to protect allies that are: (A) willing to protect themselves, and (B) willing to pay for the support of the U.S. military protection.

It is really a common sense doctrine… Help those who help themselves.

As if on cue….

“Complicated business folks,.. complicated business”…

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248 Responses to President Trump is 100% Correct on Syria Withdrawal – Here’s Why…

  1. Michael Brower says:

    Excellent Analysis as always, Sundance. Thank you. This will help me explain it to others.

    Liked by 21 people

    • mikebrezzze says:

      Take that Obama! Winning!


      • inspectorudy says:

        In reality, what we did with the Kurds is the same thing Republicans do with Demorats when there is a national crisis like a war. We work and fight together but when the war is over so is the alliance. The Kurds have been fighting with Turkey forever and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The Kurds are in three nations, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. They want their own land. NONE of these three nations is going to give it to them. So what are we supposed to do? If your son or father was there would you be defending Graham’s position? Let Lindsey grab a rifle and go there himself!

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      • Jederman says:

        The fact that not a single major msm outlet took obama to task for the Arab Spring nonsense (or anything for that matter) indicates their membership in the “Big (globalist) Club.”

        Their continued behavior vis a vis PT is more un-need proof of their anti-Americanism.

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    • The Boss says:

      A link to this article will be emailed to many I know who want to be brought up to speed on Turkey, the Kurds, etc. I hope Howie Carr talks about this matter too. He’s great at attributing stories to CTH.

      Liked by 2 people

    • bkrg2 says:

      “complicated business” is the undersatement of the century for all these endless ME wars.

      The Gulf Wars started when I as eligible to be drafted. This made me question “why?” “what is USA purpose for sending soldiers to die” “whats the end game?”

      Here we are 30+ years later… stil with the same questions.

      Then along comes Trump. He tries something different – let the locals decide thier fate.
      I know it is a good plan and I support letting it play out.

      How do I know its a good plan? Well, besides Sundance great explaination, you will notice that every Demonrat, Unitparty NeoCon, Never Trumper, Obozo lover, and MSM pundit thinks it is a horrible idea… thats all need to know!

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  2. warrenjay13 says:

    Wisdom at work!

    Liked by 2 people

  3. Heika says:

    YES, yes, yes and yes Sundance. You are spot on. Thank you for that. So much ignorance around this topic. For those who want the truth on the matter, you would have to read the news of Syria, Russia and other places to get it, because NOT ONE media outlet (main stream) in USA reports this accurately. Fox is the WORST for telling war mongering lies on it. Except for one man with a brain left on that channel – Tucker Carlson. I don’t know how he has gotten away with it … and not received his marching orders from the ‘corrupt old bustard’ – who is really showing his colour of late – Murdoch. Probably because Murdoch has shares in the Golan Heights gas fields..

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  4. Sentient says:

    Seems to me the Kurds of Syria should go hat in hand to Assad to cut a deal for their protection.

    Liked by 3 people

    • jeans2nd says:

      They just did, Sentient. The Kurds have aligned with Assad to take on Turkey.
      All is as it should be.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Heika says:

      They already have ! Didnt take long… They have asked for help from Syria, and Russia has been loyal in backing Syrian sovereignty the entire time, consistent, so Putin well get to be the fixer but he is not as stupid as US war hawks (or as vested in the MIC) so no doubt the ‘cleaning’ up will be more efficient that the decade constructs of the likes of ‘war lobbyists’ like Lindsay Graham and John McCain. Russia has its reasons, and good luck to them. The area is more relevant to their geopolitical interests than USA, which was only ever about ‘keeping the trillion dollar’ war machine rolling so vested interests could keep those profit margins up. What a disgusting mess it has all been. Trump is the truest voice on all this, and thank god he is giving the middle finger to the protestations of the hawks in the Republican swamp

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      • M Droy says:

        Sounds like a swamp plan to have Turkey fighting with Russia.
        First the US paid ISIS and al qaeda to fight Assad, then they paid the kurds to fight round up ISIS, put them in prison and prevent Assad from making progress anywhere near the oilfields. Now they are watching their former ISIS pals escape while they betray the Kurds and have Turkey openly fighting Assad instead of by proxy.
        I can’t see how any of these steps were smart.


      • NYMinuteman says:

        Putin is no savior… he seeks to destabilize and exert shadow control over energy production and transportation globally. The dismantling of the vast Venezuelan energy complex was a long and arduous process, undertaken while the world was mesmerized by the distraction of a “socialist” totalitarian. Maduro is a puppet put in place (using similar “voting” techniques to those in Crimea) to assure the removal of 3-4 mbpd of heavy crude from the market, supporting Russian market share and prices while what has been leaking out goes strictly to Moscow and Beijing’s ports (mostly Moscow).

        He seeks a similar outcome in Iran… fostering conflict with SA to kill two Petro birds with one missile, while controlling pipeline routes to Europe. The survival of Assad allows Putin control of a large and well-armed military and permanent military bases in an important trade nexus. If it means bombing hospitals (see today’s New York Times – shocking that someone there remembered their jobs as investigative reporters long enough to shit on Bashir and Vlad’s lies) so be it. You gotta keep the opposition terrified…


        • Rhoda R says:

          Long before Putin’s time, Russia has wanted a warm water port and has been at odds with the Ottoman empire to get it. This is just another move in the eternal cockpit that the ME has been throughout its history. No good guys, no bad guys, just a lot of people with conflicting goals since forever.

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    • Mary Hysmith says:

      The Kurds have cut a deal today with Syria and Russia for their help, as should have been done before now and would have been done had the US pulled out when Trump first wanted. Syria has wanted the Kurds to rejoin their home nation, participate in their new constitution, etc. The Kurds have wanted their own state which is never going to happen and not wise anyway. This is the path to restoring peace in Syria. Note that Turkey is invading Syria, not Kurdsville. Erdogan wants that northern territory and control of a major highway that runs through it. It’s Syria’s battle, not ours.

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  5. TheLastDemocrat says:

    There is one part of this story I lost track of.
    An opening move by Trump. Isolating Qatar as an incubator of radicalism terrorism. And getting some of these allied Arab countries line up to be a u tied force against the terrorism via Qatar. Qatar in the hot seat.

    Now, Iran is in the hot seat. Deservedly.

    At the time, I thought isolating Qatar was a brilliant move. A chess move in which he was also developing the Saudi Arabia Alliance.

    What did I miss? How did Qatar get off the hot seat?


    • vfm#7634 says:

      The other GCC members haven’t let up on their Qatar embargo yet, but Qatar has been doing a lot of talking with PDJT, and it’s possible they’re trying to mend their ways and disavow the Muslim Bros. We’ll see.

      Also, Iran and their mullahs aren’t the Muslim Bros. Two different things — Muslim Bros are Sunni and Iran Shiite. Although maybe Iran’s mullahs are basically the Shiite version of the Muslim Bros.


    • Mark L. says:

      You mentioned Iran. Where does it sit on the chess board?


  6. A2 says:

    Watched this yesterday. A Global questions round table in Istanbul. Participants, a Turkish gov think tank spot, a former leader of the opposition party, an ‘independent ‘ Turkish journalist and the former British ambassador to Turkey.

    With questions from the audience.

    Turkey’s role as a regional power


  7. theresanne says:

    Excellent analysis. President Trump really is a Very Stable Genius!

    Liked by 3 people

  8. Heika says:

    Enjoy this one – Ilhan the dirty little skunk – a Muslim Brotherhood infiltrator – a disgrace that this has not yet become public knowledge – her and her filthy squad and their ‘doings’ are alot more sinister than climate issues. No wonder she hats Trump, no wonder Obama is ‘quiet’ right now… about all this – his wonderful construct. Lets start asking questions of the loyalty of Muslim brotherhood convert John Brennan?

    Liked by 3 people

    • Heika says:

      Jack is onto it… the ‘agents’ of the brotherhood infiltrating US politics are writ large.

      Liked by 5 people

      • spoogel says:

        Ilhan Omar is a Qatari agent


        • spoogels says:

          HUGE NEW @IlhanMN

          US Federal Lawsuit against Qatar’s Royal Family could expose many of Qatar’s other illegal activities in the USA, especially: Ilhan’s ties to Qatar

          (Read this quoted thread for context if you’re new here, otherwise continue below!)


    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      The times of Israel link is just a shallow name-calling rant. No genuine relations to MB explained. And, the author advocates for religious tests for American elected offices.

      MB may be active in US. This may include close guidance of I Omar. That idea does not surprise me.

      But this link is shallow, and un American. We won’t preserve our union by banning Muslims from public office.


  9. Dave Hunter says:

    An excellent and cogent analysis as usual from CTH. You’ll never hear anything like this from, say, Chris Wallace, who pestered the SECDEF today with idiotic questions about the U.S. withdrawal. He wanted us to keep 50 troops in harm’s way as a “tripwire” against Turkey’s invasion! To do what? Die? What an absolute tool.

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  10. A potential problem is, if we take a coordinated hit from Islamic savages here in the homeland anytime soon, guess who everybody is going to blame it on.

    Liked by 1 person

    • jeans2nd says:

      The communist mayor of New York City. Odds are the hit will be there, and everyone knows the communists are aligned with the Islamists – just ask Obama.

      Liked by 1 person

    • mikeyboo says:

      Clivus-No doubt these Islamists have been planning such actions for the future just as they have attacked us “right here in River City” in past years. And certainly many will feel that Pres Trump emboldened them by leaving the Kurds to fend for themselves AND emboldening Erdogan/Turkey.
      There is no such thing as “the war over there”. We have imported these people to our shores via our appalling immigration system-both the legal system and the illegal system of porous borders. Perhaps he believes our troops will soon have to fight these bastards/the enemy within on our own shores.
      Pres Trump is a great man and probably there is really no “good” answer to our dilemma short of public will to enforce very draconian laws.

      Liked by 2 people

    • If we took that hit, POTUS might need to declare Martial Law in Sanctuary Cities.😎

      Liked by 4 people

    • The blame should go right to Congress and their inability to close our borders and stop the border crossing of people from all over the globe- they are on record no for over two years speaking out a giant the wall and have not worked to keep the citizens of the USA safe.

      Then there is the prior administration and how much they stepped up bringing people in.


  11. Bill says:

    One wonders what role Russia may play now that the U.S. is extracting itself from Syria. Can we expect Putin to protect the Syrian government from Turkish aggression?


    • Heika says:

      My best is he will negotiate and put an end to it efficiently by whatever means. They are not wealthy enough to ‘indulge’ a lengthy war game like the Military Industrial Complex global interests have been. He will gain more points by showing loyalty to a peaceful outcome. Russia is close to Syria, geographically. It makes more sense. The problem will be ‘the sultan’… that part I am going to be intrigued to see.

      Russia needed co-operation with Turkey to get their big alternative gas and shipping routes to Europe through when Ukraine went all nasty on them and started blocking everything off. That too could change now with the new Ukraine President who may well be open to better relations with Russia, (I have heard hints of it) and in that case, Putin might be able to have more leverage of the arrogant Erdogan, but Putin is not an idiot, he will not shut down options for Russia (by making an enemy of Erdogan who is an emperor), as he knows that things (entire trade routes) can blow up with one “Victoria Nuland”…. (so to say), however, that being said, the pro Muslim brotherhood O’Bama plants and mongrels such as the sacked ambassador to Ukraine – are being plucked off…and removed so things are going to be very interesting in regards to Russia’s moves.

      One thing I know, Putin is NOT impulsive. And Trump would prefer to get along with him, and he has not been able to to date due to the Military bomb heads and their propaganda outlets the media who are determined to keep ‘the Russians under the bed’.


      • mikeyboo says:

        I believe Putin is very keyed in to the Islamist threat given the terrorists attacks that have hit Russia and the war in Chechnya for just 2 examples. In this area, the the US and Russia have a mutual interest in keeping their populations safe from these bastards.


    • donny2837 says:

      No. Russia, like the USA, has done enough. They will stay out of it, only defend any attacks on their base. Putin agrees with President Trump. Both worked together to wipe out the MB caliphate. Syria armed forces are strong enough, the Syrian peoples are united enough, (Kurds just called on Damascus). USA & Russia sitting back, letting Syria and their regional middle east allies knock the crap out of Erdogan and his MB misfits.


  12. Freepetta says:

    Why would anyone disagree with President Trump’s extremely right outlook?

    People like the that stupid German chancellor open their doors for “refugees” and they are terrorists who go back to ISIS to destroy them. How stupid is the European Union? Unbelievable imbeciles!!

    Liked by 5 people

    • CountryDoc says:

      Bannon said Merkle did it for cheap labor, I believe, and votes. Globalists want a level playing field world wide, with them at the top, and chaos below.

      Liked by 2 people

      • spoogels says:

        She could have taken poor white South Africans who live in squatter camps
        Many have German, Dutch, French and British ancestry
        AND they are Christians
        Instead she took soldiers of Allah

        Liked by 1 person

  13. TwoLaine says:

    The idiot pundits keep talking abut President TRUMP’s go it alone attitude. We call it “LEADING”, and NOT from one’s behind.

    I think most Americans totally get it. The only ones who don’t are the “surprised” idiots at the Pentagon, who should all be FIRED.

    If the Kurds are our allies, where are their other allies in this fight? It’s time for them to stand up and show their true colors. Oh wait, they already did. Coward yellowbellies.

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    • sundance says:

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    • Dutchman says:

      The Kurds were not our allies; they fought ISIS for their own self interest.

      Part of Economic Security is National Security, and exposing bltatant truths everyone has been ignoring ; the EU are NOT allies of the U.S.

      They have been robbing us, JUST as much as China, for at least as long.

      And, JUST like,China they have a long history of renegging on penned agreements, and verbal promises.

      AND, Just like,China, the EU can NOT truly accede to PDJT’s reasonable demands, as to do so would destroy their system.

      Ergo, there can never be Trade deal with EU, any more than there can be one with China.

      POTUS said if he, in his wisdom, detirmines that Turkey goes too far, he,can crush them economically.

      He’ll let Erdogan get bogged down, fighting the kurds AND assad, and then lower the hammer. Just cause EU is too weak sister to deal with Erdogan, doesn’t mean PDJT isn’t.

      Let this be Erdogans Viet Nam or Afcrapistan, and let everyone see Economic warfare applied by PDJT.

      An,…Object lesson.

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  14. Bill says:

    One wonders what role Russia may play now that the U.S. is extracting itself from Syria. Can we expect Putin to protect the Syrian government from Turkish aggression??


    • Mary Hysmith says:

      For the record, Russia’s main support to Syria, by request of Assad in accordance with international law and a century old treaty, was air support and defensive equipment (SU-400 system ). Russia has also participated in peace negotiations and the writing of Syria’s new constitution. They have been trying to get the Kurds to rejoin Syria for some time now, preserving the Syrian state for all its various ethnic groups as top priority.


  15. Doppler says:

    Another great contextual piece, Sundance. It is easy for me to get lost in the neocon conniving that brought about Benghazi, CIA efforts to arm ISIS, false flag chemical attacks in Syria, etc., etc., etc. Like a Westerner trying to find a deal in a Persian market. But I understand a little about the Muslim Brotherhood vs the Arab establishment, and I understand a little about the history of Islamic Caliphates encroaching into Europe. And a little about the fact that there are more tribes than I can name – Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Egyptians, Libyans, Persians, and many others – who have histories vis a vis each other that make policing them a big challenge.

    Former empires sought to conquer and rule and police, and extracted tribute from the conquered. Our constitution and founding principles do not allow us to be an empire, although the military industrial complex has that as its business model. It’s the US tax payers who pay tribute, to the war industry, and Trump is right to stop that corruption, and violation of our principles.

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  16. A2 says:

    Report from an hour ago.
    “Turkey-Syria offensive: Kurds reach deal with Syrian army
    The Kurds in Syria say the Syrian government has agreed to send its army to the northern border to try to halt Turkey’s offensive against them.”

    Liked by 9 people

  17. joeknuckles says:

    Yes, we need to stay the hell out of Turdistan.

    Liked by 4 people

  18. Elric VIII says:

    NATO is dead. The U.S. should exit NATO – and the U.N. – as quickly as possible, before they bring down unavoidable troubles and expense upon us. We should deal with countries on a bi-lateral basis, and only with those will hold up their end of the bargain. Too many NATO countries will not, and Erdogan has lit the fuse.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      So is the U.N. We should exit both STAT!

      United Nations Running Out of Money!
      10 Oct 2019
      by Ann Corcoran

      Kick them out of the USA too, but make sure they pay USA for the aggresgiously expensive building remodels 1st.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Judith says:

        The EU is running out of money because they haven’t been emptying OUR wallets for 3 years now. We pulled out of their Paris “Climate” Accord scam. Even pensions in Commiefornia were bankrupted by that move. Go figure!

        USA also pulled away from the TransPacific Partnership (TOP) which was a DISASTER in the making, giving over full authority of USA’s economic future to the EU Globalists! You can bet that Angela was counting on that largesse to fund EU socialism and open borders policy. Our Wolverines renegotiated NAFTA and initiated bilateral trade deals. Now, EU must pay for their own military defense.

        We are winning all over the globe. And all it took was a President who put America’s sovereign interests above all else. A president who could not be bribed like the rest. And a president with rich life experience as a CEO, with the vision to accomplish his goals efficiently, below budget and ahead of schedule.

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      • Bubby says:

        Agree move the UN to Mogadishu that’s where it belongs!

        Liked by 3 people

      • mikeyboo says:

        UN running out of money-aww cue Fats Domino: Ain’t That A Shame”

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  19. mikeyboo says:

    “Turkish President Erdogan was going to enter Syria regardless of what the EU, NATO or the U.S. said about it.”
    I don’t think Erdogan would have proceeded without the belief the US would stand down. I also don’t think he took Pres Trump’s warnings seriously-particularly as he knows our NATO “allies” will be passive-in essence supporting Turkey and NOT Pres Trump.


  20. RJ says:

    Be very careful of what you think might happen in the middle east! From “musical chairs” we seem to be proceeding to “hot potato” where the “radical muslims” become the hot potatoes that may get thrown back and forth not only in the middle east but as suggested Europe.

    What game gets played after hot potato? Trump suggests he will play “economic war games” via the sanction route. Squeeze your enemy’s ability to make war, supply troops, then shrink the currency value via inflation…rile up the citizens into a frenzy where revolution could take place and then what….?

    Real, honest to goodness WAR comes into focus with those who have their backs up against a wall and see no way out of the mess that encompasses them.

    Trump is betting he can bring these “evildoers” to the “let’s make a deal” table. However, there just may be a party who prefers all out war instead of making a Trump deal come into being.

    Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen!

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  21. Tom Hansen says:

    It is time for the U.S. to only support those members in NATO that are paying their fair share. For those that don’t, they should not expect any military support from the U.S., if they get into a kinetic war with other nations.

    Furthermore, the U.S. should reduce its financial share to NATO to 2%, down from its current 4+%, which is the minimum requirement. On that point, the U.S. should only pay the minimum to the U.N as well, which will effectively cause it to go bankrupt. The U.N. has outlived its original mandate and is no longer a functional or effective organization under its current charter.

    By the U.S. re-positioning its funds on what it saves on NATO and UN payments, it can direct funding to those increase defensive measures relating to Russian, Iranian, Chinese, N. Korean, and now Syrian threats.

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  22. CountryDoc says:

    From the Article:
    “Factions like al-Qaeda, al-Nusra and ISIS all fall under the umbrella of The Muslim Brotherhood”. “President Obama embraced President Erdogan because ideologically the Obama administration and Erdogan both supported political Islam, The Muslim Brotherhood.”

    Weren’t we at and aren’t we still at war with islamic terrorists? Did we not fight Al Quaeda?

    Cannot we connect the dots and show that:
    1. Obama/Clinton aided and abetted our enemies: Muslim brotherhood, Al Quaeda,
    2. Obama/Clinton/Deep State, CIA/FBI/DOJ spied, broke laws, and orchestrated multiple cover ups to prevent the constitutional election of our President
    3. Obama/Clinton Obama/Clinton/Deep State, CIA/FBI/DOJ, and Media Giants conspired to take down via violation of the laws and constition to take down a sitting president
    4. Obama/Clinton/Deep State, CIA/FBI/DOJ, Media, Lawfare group, RINOs, Democratic party are colluding with our enemies to cover up the above, impede/obstruct investigation of the above, AND illigally through lies impeach a sitting president.


    • mopar2016 says:

      The old adage: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” doesn’t really play that well in the Middle East.

      According to the Graham / McCain type neocons the US can be fighting al-Qaeda in one country, and arming them right across the border in another country.

      I don’t think there are any good guys to defend in the cult of islam.

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      • Judith says:

        I agree. USA has declared a war on terror, which has been ongoing in places like Syria and Afghanistan. One positive aspect of this quagmire is that the war on terror checks a very important box: The co-conspirators who colluded with foreign entities in an ongoing COUP, to remove a duly elected President, can therefore be charged with TREASON.


  23. CountryDoc says:

    Hey, guys — lets pretend like we’re fighting. Those hawks in ‘merica will give one of us lots of weapons. We’ll split them and use them to kill the Infidels!

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  24. TradeBait says:

    Outstanding analysis, sundance, as well as doctrine by PDT/admin. PDT know the status quo is totally unacceptable. When the stupid wars stop the deficits die as the economy churns. New, more productive alignments with shared interests. Participants know the rules for America being in their corner. It has been 75 years approximately since WWII. Enough coddling, Euros can stand on their own or go down. We have a number of allies developing to keep the region relatively stable.

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  25. ann says:

    Thank you This explanation tracks, it makes sense

    Also explains why huma abedin, ie MB had Clinton & intell access. Also Mueller’s transformation of the Bureau training material, personnel & focus.

    I realize these questions are naive , etc, but sticking my neck out to ask.

    Is erdogan creating a containment for political Islam?

    Is the intent aggressive or defensive?

    Is Erdogan’s regime strong enough to control this potential explosive force?

    I suppose the implications contain hinges, external factors, like how staunch & cohesive the above allies are. The 2020 election. Is this so?.

    PS the EU makes no sense to me, other than being supine & greed driven .


    • mikeyboo says:

      Erdogan stands for militant Islam-politically and militarily. The fact that some nincompoop in the West missed that very outstanding fact is beyond stupid and beneath contempt. Erdogan does not seek to contain militant Islam. He seeks to lead it and re-establish the Ottoman Empire.

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      • ann says:

        Thanks Mikey for clarifying.
        43 & 44 decreed ME foreign policy,& steamrolled over us.
        We got propaganda, not objective data, or transparent decision making!

        I became all muddled, it made no sense
        Assad seemed reasonable, after all, Syria’s
        no picnic to govern.
        Quaddafi , even Sadamm H, were stabilising “allies”,
        I felt we destabilised, turned on partners, using false excuses & thin rhetoric

        But what do I know, right?
        Never served, my father forbid & sent me to college.

        🇺🇸🦅. 🌺

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      • spoogels says:

        Erdogan said:

        “There is no moderate Islam, there is only Islam”
        “”The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” “

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  26. Alec Rawls says:

    Great analysis Sundance. I tried to explain to JPost crybabies on Friday:

    There is no train wreck, no betrayal. There is only Trump’s preferred form of warfare. He wants to utterly destroy Turkey. He understands that THEY are the terrorists, that Erdogan’s Turkey is the real seat of the new caliphate, but he is not planning on fighting them militarily. He wants to fight them the same way he is already fighting and destroying NorthKorea/China and Iran: he intends to use U.S. economic might to sanction them to death, but for that he needs an excuse.

    Opening the door for Turkey to attack the Kurds provides that excuse, and he has stated it perfectly explicitly for all to hear. We are stepping aside, leaving the door open for Turkey to try to annihilate its ancient enemy, and if they walk through that door Trump has already promised that he will impose “sanctions from Hell,” “destruction like has never been seen before,” the exact same language he has used and acted on in his economic wars with NK/China and Iran.

    Seriously, can any intelligent observer actually misunderstand this? Trump WANTS to destroy Turkey, and he IS going to do it. He doesn’t need a big excuse either. It’s not like he has to let Turkey actually commit genocide to have an excuse. Note that he has also said that we will go back in militarily if we have to, and that if we do it will be “in a very big way.”

    So he might jump back in to wipe out Turkish attackers but that is still not how he is going to destroy Turkey as a whole. Trump has pioneered economic warfare as super inexpensive alternative to armed conflict and he has telegraphed his plan. He might send in air power to cripple Turkey’s attacking forces but to destroy Turkey itself he is going to systematically degrade their economy until they look like Iran or Venezuela.

    THAT is how you end the new Muslim Brotherhood caliphate. You reduce it to ECONOMIC rubble, and then you smash the rubble, and not only is this very inexpensive but it can actually be a boon for the U.S. economy. Trump is massively deregulating, allowing the U.S. to re-industrialize, and Turkey has a LOT of manufacturing that can be pulled over to the U.S.. Yes, they won’t be able to buy much from us but that’s okay. Our friends will grow by even more than our enemies shrink, and we’ll sell to them. It’s all good. Stop crying.

    Europe, for its part, only needs to do one thing: “Build the wall! Build the wall! Build the wall!” Erdogan already declared a war of Islamofascist invasion with his threat to send another 3.6 million jihadists to teetering Europe. Europe either musters the will save themselves by repelling this invasion or it doesn’t.

    If they don’t they need to know that the U.S. cannot let Europe’s nuclear weapons fall into the hands of Muslim Brotherhood invaders. A defeated Europe will become our enemy and will have to be destroyed even more aggressively than Turkey, as in militarily.

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    • mikeyboo says:

      Wow! Alex I actually feel a little better now. Let’s hope it plays out as you describe.


    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      Alex, great comment.
      And here is the window of opportunity we enjoy. Other nations have no room to join up with us and muddy the plans. So many EU are buddies up with these ME groups, including financially, that they cannot throw their weight around.

      Also , our economy is super strong, and theirs are wavering. Trump has all the room to maneuver.


  27. alliwantissometruth says:

    When Western civilization wakes up

    When nationalism expels leftism and the war machines political enablers from the political landscape

    When people decide their children’s futures are more important than making the global elites wealthier

    Then and only then will radical Islam be rendered impotent and the Middle East can begin building an actual modern civilization

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  28. C-Low says:

    The Kurds are good allies but when you look at a map the US position was untenable. Iraq a fair weather ally at best now that they have a horde of Iranian militia on par with the Iraqi regulars that would cause absolute chaos on your supply lines. Supply lines that would be substantive to support a force large enough to stop counter a Turkish invasion or even supply a Kurdish long term defense. We can fly in enough stuff to beat a rag tag of irregulars like ISIS but you can’t fly in what would be needed to face off against Turkey. If Turkey had stayed on the team we could have done such against a Iranian/Syrian march north via the Turkish supply lines which we use today for our supply lines short the bit we fly in.

    Trump is a business man you know when to cut your losses via value vs cost in the longterm in these conditions Northern Syria Kurdish areas is just not there. With US forces in the middle Irans Shia radicals would be natural allies with Turkey aka Brotherhood Sunnis. We would have now supply lines unless we intend to make some with another US invasion and our forces would be caught fighting a multi front pincer. With the US gone they will consolidate then turn on eachother. Poland would be a pretty apt analogy, sad story but in big boy games you just cannot win them all and geography is a strong card on the table of war that must be respected. We can now stack sanctions on Turkey to contain their growth just as we have currently on Iran and choose a better field of battle.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Allard Otten says:

      Turkish & Iran sanctions would hurt EU military tech to those countries. Looks like we’re trying to smoke those dealings out. INSTEX a bridge too far for POTUS?

      Re: supply lines. IIRC problem in Iraq II buildup was rail transport from Western Europe. Alpine tunnels not wide enough. So the push east to Poland and maybe dropping NATO for a Visegrad or 3 Seas alliance may be the best way forward. for US and Eastern Europe. This would restore rail supply capabilities points south with those countries getting help with migrants in return. Migrants in Western Europe has to be a nightmare for US bases there. I remember the RAF/Baader-Meinhoff to Libya to Gulf War I buildup years. Having the EU basically invite the terrorists in next door has to be a deal breaker. East block would be safer in that regard.

      I think this forces Iran into a two front position, too. GCC build up down south to worry about and kinetic activity north.

      I have no idea how Russia reacts and if Iran will ally with Turkey or not. Russia, for sure, needs to defend the naval base in Syria. I think the proposed Qatar to EU pipeline was a major precipitant in this quagmire, and if Iran is a supporter of that pipeline, what does that
      do to Russia / Iran alliance?


    • mikeyboo says:

      Reportedly, General Mattis heatedly disagreed with Pres Trump’s analysis/troop withdrawal. I respect Mattis’ intelligence and courage and would like to have heard his reasoning.


  29. Bruce_Dern's_Finger says:

    An illegal alien, foreign interloper, and unconstitutional POtuS Obama did everything illegally.


  30. Rose says:

    Reminds me of the Balkans, the UN sent in Peace Keepers but the fact was there were no good guys. The Islamists, against the Serbs and Croatia. Islamists would kill innocents and the media would blame the other two groups. Even today the Islamists are considered the victims but keep in mind a friend who served over there as a nurse ten years ago- told me the Islamist use girls as bomb sniffing dogs and if one gets blown up they send in another one. I just don’t care anymore.

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  31. leftnomore says:

    You reminded me why I so detested that villain called Obama. May he wrought in L.


  32. kevin king says:

    What is missing from this analysis is the fact the Saudis are radicals too and are sponsoring the building of Mosques across Europe as a means of ultimately turning it in to a Saudi controlled Islamic Caliphate. In this endeavour they are assisted by the Pakistanis who already have a significant political presence in the UK. Don’t forget it was the Saudis who perpetrated 9/11. It is a big mistake to trust them and I do hope Trump realises this. Sometimes his decisions do make me wonder though.

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  33. Daniel says:

    Why did you change the name from Arab Spring to Islamist Spring?


  34. hokkoda says:

    President Trump is simply returning US foreign policy to the tools that were used successfully for decades before the neocons started their empire building. Mainly economic.

    Also, an even shorter answer: the people trying to make political hay out if this have NEVER, not once, sought voter approval for the Obama/McCain misadventures in North Africa.

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  35. hokkoda says:

    President Trump is simply returning US foreign policy to the tools that were used successfully for decades before the neocons started their empire building. Mainly economic.

    Also, an even shorter answer: the people trying to make political hay out if this have NEVER, not once, sought voter approval for the Obama/McCain misadventures in North Africa.

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  36. davidberetta says:

    Perpetual “Warring” sucks for the Taxpaying Citizens of the USA!

    It is “wonderful” for corrupt politicians, the Deep State parasites and their partners all over the planet.

    Liked by 3 people

  37. Reserved55 says:

    Surprise Surprise. Not.

    President Trump isn’t owned.

    Liked by 1 person

  38. As an ex-Brit serviceman, I appl;aud his decision, whilst feeling sorry for the Kurds.The EU have brought this on themselves.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Child of Morning says:

      I only feel sorry for the Kurds who thought that USA soldiers would hang around forever in a foreign country. Waiting patiently to put their lives on the line to defend their Kurdish “allies”.

      Let that be a lesson to all ME. USA is the big dog. If we dean to arm you and fight alongside you, remember that YOU are forever in our debt. When we decide to leave you guys only lament that you will no longer be able to kiss our balls everday.

      The Kurds are not “allies” to anyone. They are illegitimate opportunists that require the constant sponsorship of foreign powers. Look how quickly they cut a deal for a new partnership.


  39. Reserved55 says:

    Read the thread.


  40. trapper says:

    And it got real interesting real quick. Assad is sending forces to its northern border to aid the Kurds. Will the Turks and freed ISIS fighters now square off against Syria(Assad), Russia, and the Kurds? (Best part: WE AIN’T IN IT.) Pool time! Who wins in THIS match-up?

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  41. Jim in TN says:

    Turkey’s desires in regards to the Kurds and being a mid east power have been well known for a very long time. So has their thwarting of US plans in the region, together with our military’s wanton desire to keep military bases in Turkey that Turkey prevents us from using.

    Of course, that has been a major topic of discussion in all military and national security and statesmanship and political discussions with Trump over the past few years. There have even been big public brouhas over Syria.

    So Trump has been drawing down troops in Syria, knowing this is a likely response from Turkey. It seems to have been much more a question of when Turkey would do this, not a question of if Turkey would.

    I had been thinking that this was an unavoidable consequence of doing the right thing. But this presentation gives me a point of view that Trump has planned out long term goals for the good of the region and NATO.

    Trump never ceases to amaze.

    And so do you Sundance. Without you, I would be trapped in the relentless negativism of the Never Trump and the obligatory put down Trump, no matter the good he does, charlatan conservatives.

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    • spoogels says:

      Apparently Erdogan announced a week ago he was going to attack the Kurds–that was before Trump announced the troop withdrawal


  42. Sundance: This is one of your finest posts … EVER.

    Brilliant assessment … boiling complexity down to its essence … and elegantly laid out.

    Absolutely awesome!

    Liked by 5 people

    • trapper says:

      Yeah. I expect to find this level of analysis at serious foreign policy sites. Unfortunately, what we get over at those other sites is spotty at best, with a seeming compulsion to put up opposing views even if they are nonsensical. There are certain exceptions, such as Claremont, but they are not a dedicated foreign policy site. The only other option is to just follow Srdja Trifkovic at Chronicles. See here for example:

      Liked by 1 person

      • spoogels says:

        THIS-from the above–what i sadi

        In a phone conversation on October 6, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Trump that Turkey would no longer abide by the joint border arrangement and was preparing to send its army into the area.

        Hours later the White House announced that “Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into northern Syria” and that U.S. soldiers would be removed from the area of operations.



  43. bessie2003 says:

    Should Erdogen make headway toward his vision of empire, he will then have to contend with Iran/the Persians, who have their own grand designs which most likely do not include being subject to Turkey.

    Am so very happy our President has made this decision. Thank you Sundance and Zurich Mike for these insights.

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  44. Jase says:

    All anybody needs to know is that despite the worldwide handwringing and pear clutching, not a single group, country or governing body has volunteered its troops to play the role vacated by PDJT; not Germany, not France, not the UN, not the Kurds’ supposed blood brothers the Iraqi Kurds.
    This first withdrawal was the toughest, but this move has paved the way for further withdrawals of US troops. Afghanistan next.

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  45. Publius2016 says:

    Actually, Saudis are the key to everything! Oil and Mecca!!

    There is a reason we formed a 21st Century Intelligence Network in the Kingdom of Saud…remember, without water, the desert turns to dust…Radical Islamic Terrorism is the Globalist’s Army…Turks are the gateway to EU Invasion: this is the real threat and why 45 formed the three seas agreement!!!

    Liked by 3 people

    • Rhoda R says:

      Turks ARE the gateway to Europe, and Europe gave them the keys to the gate when they let them into NATO. Of course, at that time Turkey was secular. Atta Turk must be rolling over in his mausoleum.

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  46. Yeah but with the SA and the GCC PDJT gets them to do the job. PDJT is good at that. Think Mexico “helping” with immigration.

    Liked by 3 people

  47. davidberetta says:

    It’s 100% about US Business interests. US Businesses cannot set-up-shop outside of the USA without the the “military-fear” of the USA. Sad but true. Trademarks, Copyrights, Inventions, etc. do not exist without the “threat” of US Military might. Otherwise, Iphones, Nike sneakers and all the other gadgets with US inventions would be copied in each Nation and sold independently in every Nation under an assumed name. They still are but corralled in the domestic market of the USA.


  48. B Woodward says:

    Sundance, thanks for the great article. Unfortunately you neglected to mention that Sec. of State Clinton had a role in some of Obama’s dealings. Just as a refresher, here is one article that you wrote on the topic:

    Protecting Hillary – DOJ Drops Case Against Libyan Gun-Runner “Operation Zero Footprint” Architect…

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  49. Somebody's Gramma says:

    When all the peoples of the world vote to put Americans in charge of their lives, I think we should get involved. Until then, stay out of as much as possible until a direct threat appears to be emerging.

    Just my personal opinion freely expressed.

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