Trey Gowdy Warns Everyone to Lower Their Expectations…

Former congressman Trey Gowdy warns everyone to tamp down expectations from the IG report on FISA abuse. One point of focus from Horowitz’s letter today is that he *only* looked at the singular FISA issues surrounding Carter Page, nothing more.

…”Relating to a certain U.S. person.”

Therefore if Carter Page was not a victim; meaning if Carter Page was an active participant (mole) in the FBI operation – willing to be the vehicle by which the Steele Dossier could be injected into the investigation; then there will likely be no criminal conduct outlined by Horowitz.  The head of the tick-tock club was not happy with this possibility.

…”to a certain U.S. person”…

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452 Responses to Trey Gowdy Warns Everyone to Lower Their Expectations…

  1. 300 says:

    Noting is going to be done to these people, If anyone thought for a second that it was, maybe you should check you mental health. The rantings on TV are nothing more than an appearance of a legitimate investigation to make you think “Justice will be served”. This has been my stance now since this shit show started. Roosterhead is a mouthpiece of the DS he’ll keep you hoping for justice and none will be served to you, instead you get a shit sammich and will take a huge bite and swallow it with a smile. This is not going to change, the uniparty will see to that. Our way is corrupt and those who hoist this corruption upon us will do so as long as they can protect themselves and this will embolden them. So sit down and shut the hell up until you are told to do otherwise by your betters. That is your future

    300

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    • Helen Pearson Souza says:

      The bottom line on all this is..without accountability of those in power we no longer have a country. When this corruption was first reported, we all felt sad and frightened. The decision will show us if Barr loves the DOJ/FBI more than he loves his country. Then if our president does not act swiftly, the die will be cast. And we become Venezuela.

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    • f.fernandez says:

      Gowdy is showing his true purple colors (resistance). He’s not trying to temper people’s expectations; he’s trying to change the narrative of what these seditious SOBs attempted to do. Lying to a judge is a criminal act and perjury regardless of whether you’re an attorney or not. So attorneys will feel punished more if they lose their law license than if they’re put in prison?! GTFO Trey…………whatever dirt they (DS) have on you I hope it’s revealed anyway.

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    • Joe says:

      Same show different story (Benghazi)

      False positives and now we see that there is so much shade, no sunlight can penetrate the corruption.

      Its been going on a long time.

      I am thankful for this website and others at least some will know the truth and can pass along to any who will listen what out republic had become.

      I am still of the opinion that America is on its last days – 10 years max.

      Let them have their cake and eat it too.

      Maybe a few will wake up by then and we will have a political revolution. History tells us otherwise.

      De Oppresso Libre.

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  2. teeheeman says:

    Is Gowdy looking to fill in for Marilyn Manson with that hairdoo?

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  3. wightmanfarm says:

    That hair and glasses is … well … creepy. Is he toying with coming out of the closet ?

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  4. Trey is a rino, is he not??

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    • Masterman says:

      He is a half Rino. I think he’s genuinely disgusted by what that is going on in the deep state, but he’s not someone who will fight to fix the problems.

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      • Sharpshorts says:

        He has been proven to be ineffective at getting results although he did help to bring the corruption that exists in Government more into the open.
        Whether he is a RINO tool that covered for the corruption or he was stifled by the extent of the corruption…well, take your pick.

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      • getouttahea says:

        He’s 100% RINO. He’s someone who will not fight and doesn’t give A F about the deep state/swamp because he’s part of it. But he does provide somewhat convincing lip service to the public;

        beTREYal.

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      • PBR says:

        Trey’s family has been threatened.

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      • Linda K. says:

        Trey got bought off when he wasn’t looking and the next thing you know, they were telling him what to do and say.

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        • Linda K. says:

          So, Sidney Powell filed her knockout brief with Sullivan listing all the Brady material that will help clear Flynn and expose the Deep State players in their coup attempt. Next, we get this let down expectation about FISA abuse, and the Steele dossier. Oh, and by the way, Carter was never a victim. What has he been so public for all this time?
          I am sorry, I am sure the Deep State and CIA and FBI use questionable tactics,but they are exposed as a political organization here and their abuse of power and corruption should be our focus.
          Will the release of the info Sidney has requested saveFlynn from his predicament and expose the actions of the FBI to the public? I hope so. If Barr thinks they can keep a lid on this and keep on chugging along, with seminars on ethics and training, he is wrong.

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          • Raptors2020 says:

            Flynn is still a bargaining chip to the Deep State. When (?) the Comey Memos are released, Flynn will be added to the pot, by one side or the other.

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      • Linda K. says:

        Is that like a little pregnant?

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    • Nathan Hale says:

      Thanks for returning to topic. Too much energy is wasted by posters on petty comments on personal appearance.

      Sometimes I just have to shake my head and think of Pogo, “we have met the enemy and he is us”.

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      • zorg2 says:

        Wrong.
        The ‘petty’ comments about Gowdy’s hairdo are hilarious and provide comic relief, which God knows, is needed in this whole DS farce.

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        • Nathan Hale says:

          A little levity is expected, but I believe most come here for information and perspective on perhaps the greatest attempts to overthrow the government since the civil war.

          And humor based upon a person’s physical appearance in pretty low grade.

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        • Nathan Hale says:

          A little levity is expected, but I believe most come here for information and perspective on perhaps the greatest attempts to overthrow the government since the civil war.

          And humor based upon a person’s physical appearance in pretty low grade.

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  5. waicool says:

    If carter page is not a victim then the conspiracy is proven

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    • flyoverfuji says:

      I don’t trust Carter Page.

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      • YvonneMarie says:

        Why ?

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        • PBR says:

          Carter Page seems duplicitous. He has admitted that he has heled the FBI plenty times in the past. Now he presents as if the FBI was spying on him and ruining his life.

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          • Linda K. says:

            It almost seems like Trey was sent out to soften the story, but I don’t quite understand why Barr does not want to prosecute FISA abuse. If we know Comey, Rosenstein and Yates were all complicit in spying illegally on the incoming administration and no justice is served, the reputation and effectiveness of the FBI and CIA is gone.
            The next demand is to ged rid of these corrupt secret police, and the FISA court, which is also corrupt. They sunlight is shining on them and now that we see how it is, they have to go.

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            • Toenail says:

              It is obvious the FBI and CIA must be closed or at least scrubbed of the culture that has developed. I didn’t say it will be scrubbed but to avoid an America much like the old KGB ran Soviet Union it must be scrubbed. The future of our grand children is not good because most likely nothing will be done except it will get much worse.

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          • Summer says:

            I don’t know whether Carter Page is an innocent victim or a willing participant. It is even possible that he was manipulated into ”helping” FBI without being told who was the real target.
            Whatever the case may be, the moral of the story:

            1. Never contact the FBI
            2. Never cooperate with the FBI
            3. Never talk to the FBI without a witness present, preferably your lawyer
            4. Never trust the FBI, especially when they tell you, “trust us”

            And you will be fine. Maybe.

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          • warrprin1 says:

            It wouldn’t be the first time the FBI has eaten one of its own.

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      • YeahYouRight says:

        Me either. The texting “lovebirds” alluded to an operative being blown, that it was an acceptable risk. This guy is too happy-go-lucky about this ordeal and his lawsuits seem more like a fig leaf.

        Everyone Page was in contact with via the “two hop” rule is a victim, however. So him being complicit doesn’t seem to me to make this a victimless crime. More like he should also be prosecuted for running CIA operation on US soil.

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      Right. There are no charges available from FISA abuse per se. Gowdy just strongly hinted Carter Page was part of the conspiracy, and Gowdy would know.

      The FISA abuse proves the conspiracy. Charge Sedition or just move on, like Karl Rove wants. Charging Sedition brings in both parties, many powerful people. It’s been Trump versus Washington, all along.

      Go big or go home. There’s no safe harbor left, for our country.

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  6. Emuuuu says:

    Gowdy is just yet another player in this entire scheme. He has followed the script since day one. There are many powerful people out there who want our weapons, to whom we must declare that the only way that will happen will be through a revolutionary conflict. This Horowitz, Barr, Durham stuff is just all part of the show. Keep your heads on a swivel, patriots. This is going to be HUGE!

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  7. prairiedayz says:

    Before and after Congress, Gowdy has personally lowered expectations every time he appears to comment on the rancid corruption in our government.

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  8. chipin8511 says:

    Flynn Page Pappa D Bannon all plants on the Trump team per George Webb at various times.aka spies

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      Page has always been an obvious plant. The cockiness of Comey, McCabe etc. must flow from their astonishment that we fell for Carter Page’s guff. We’re still far from the truth.

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  9. burnett044 says:

    the rooster can talk the talk ,,but not walk the walk…..
    yep he`s chicken when it comes to follow thru..

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  10. Don McAro says:

    Well Hannity seems a bit nervous… He has a lot riding on this Horowitz report an so does Greg Jarret… Will Hannity become the New Rachel Maddow when nothing happens….
    I guess we will find out soon enough.. Tick Tock

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    • Loggerman says:

      I don’t know why you guys hammer away on him, the debate was a bit heated, Hannity was clearly angry about it. Sundance does the same exact thing, take the current information and connect the dots and yet we throw Hannity under the bus.

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      • albertus magnus says:

        This is an absolutely ridiculous comment. If you want to defend that idiot Hannity, knock yourself out. But to compare the BS he spews with the researched, reasoned and well documented analysis that we get from Sundance is the height of insulting.

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        • Loggerman says:

          That’s because being a snowflake, you’re easily insulted. Both men are vital to this and I agree Sundance has a lot more information, I just don’t see any reason the throw Hannity, or any other conservatives highlighting all this under the bus.

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    • Hannity could never be Madcow Maddox! We KNOW there was illegal spying and a coup against a duly elected president… what we don’t know and what Hannity and Jarrett and others can’t control, is if true, real justice will occur in our obviously corrupt banana republic!

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      • Zippy says:

        When it comes to equal justice under the law for those at high levels in the fedgov, it pays to be a cynic. You’re always disappointed, but never surprised. And you get a few smiles from those who still believe this isn’t a banana republic simply because they haven’t properly investigated the VAST amounts of past proof.

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    • Zorro says:

      It’s not that Hannity and Jarrett are wrong if one looks at it from a perspective of true justice and not the commie justice we are transforming into.

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    • Right to reply says:

      Hannity looks angry, and at the point of giving up. I think he’ll leave FOX next year. I honestly believe he thought something would be done, and as big character on FOX, what can he say? He can’t be responsible for starting a riot etc

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  11. Zippy says:

    Oh ye of too much hope…

    FISA Court Rolls Over, Plays Dead
    Aug 28, 2013

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/28/fisa-court-rolls-over-plays-dead/#2b26114763ae

    A newly declassified opinion shows FISA court “oversight” in the face of egregious, unconstitutional and potentially criminal government misconduct means nothing.

    Last week, thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s excellent FOIA work, we got the gift of a newly declassified 2011 FISA court opinion. The opinion finds that the government misled the FISA court for over three years about the details of its illegal and unconstitutional surveillance programs. These lies hid from the court the fact that every year, the NSA is collecting at least 56,000 emails – and possibly many more — between innocent Americans who have no foreign connections and are suspected of no crimes. That’s bad, but the worst part of it is, when the government’s lies were finally exposed the FISA court demanded … that NSA analysts read our private messages right away, so they can be used or deleted more quickly. In other words, the government got not a slap on the wrist, but a pat on the back.

    This was the third lie in less than three years that the FISA court had learned about. The judge described one such pattern of lying in Footnote 14 of this newly declassified opinion. There, the clearly outraged judge said the NSA had misrepresented so frequently and systematically how it conducted its program to collect and query Americans’ phone call records that the agency had utterly subverted the Court-mandated oversight regime for that program.

    So what did the court do when it found out it had been lied to, that purely domestic communications were fair game, that untold numbers of innocent people were being illegally spied on, and that all the safeguards in place needed to be rethought?

    Nothing, really. The court suggested the NSA should train its analysts to notice when their queries turned up an MCT – i.e., an Internet transaction containing multiple messages — and then to look carefully at all the by-catch. If existing procedures allowed them to use anything in those purely domestic messages that they were never supposed to have collected in the first place, great! Otherwise, only after collection and review, should the information be deleted. The NSA adopted this approach, and continues to blithely collect Internet transactions containing wholly domestic communications between innocent Americans to this day.

    So in the face of illegal, unconstitutional and potentially criminal conduct — conduct about which the NSA repeatedly lied to the FISA court — the FISA court “corrected” the problem by requiring … banner warnings that something might be an MCT, and an extra round of review by NSA analysts. The real problem – that the NSA regularly collects Americans’ most private communications that the law does not permit it to collect and lies about it to the FISA court – was simply waved away.

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  12. bizchuck says:

    It has always been highly unlikely that any of the players in this scandal would be criminally charged.

    Shamed, yes.

    Jailed? Probably not.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      They are incapable of feeling shame. If you think they’ve been laughing at us through all this, just wait. We haven’t seen anything yet in terms of their scorn, and their disregard of our Constitutional rights. Their real par-tay has just begun.

      As far as the internal workings of the FISA Court go, since the FISC is clearly broken, We, the People, need to demand that it be dismantled. Thank you, W, Obama, and John Roberts. Failed your sworn oath, all three of you. Symbols, all three, of the Uniparty writ large.

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  13. Mike in a Truck says:

    Felicity Huffman will do more hard time than these coup plotters.

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  14. NJ Transplant says:

    I have been wondering for a while if Carter Page is a mole and the FBI used him with his knowledge and then turned on him. Why did Carter Page contact the Trump campaign to be an advisor? I understand Carter Page wasn’t the only FISA warrant. George Papadapolous was told by reporters that there was a warrant on him. What about Michael Flynn?

    Why would the IG only look at the Carter Page FISA?

    There is still no justification for the FBI and DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign.

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    • They (meaning EVERYBODY, including especially Barr) are OBVIOUSLY compartmentalizing the many criminal acts of the individual plotters in the ongoing attempted coup d’etat, in hopes that each tiny bit will get thrown out (like Comey’s lying and leaking to get a Special Counsel), until the whole rotten government mess can be put in their rearview mirror, without consequences for the treason on the part of the previous President and all of those who worked for him.

      It’s famously known as “Divide and Conquer”.

      And the REAL “justification” for the spying on the Trump campaign was the infamous “banality of evil”, in which shadowy “global elites” (in thier own minds…and pocketbooks) used the personal grudges of Obama/Soetoro and all in his cult of “transformation” (i.e., revenge, on the part of black muslim racists/supremacists — that’s really why they rave about “white supremacy”, to misdirect from their own — and every other radical, illiberal grouup frustrated by the forever-failure of their fantasies, of dissolution and decay) to defend their plans for total control of America’s and the world’s wealth and not-so-inalienable-after-all freedoms.

      Since we KNOW what has been going on now, the divide-and-conquer “cover-up” end game is now in play for them (everyone who works for Washington DC).

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      • warrprin1 says:

        Good one, harry. They’ll make it all go away, one little piece at a time, until there’s nothing left of the grand scheme that was launched to “fundamentally transform” our Nation.

        Thus, the “transformation” project within the Deep State continues, hamstrung only by the incalculably hard work of PDJT and a few trusted patriots who work for him and for us.

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    • TPW says:

      Was it not through the Carter FISA and 2 hop that they were able tp spy on Trump Campaign?…….and yes I too am suspicious of Carter wanting to be part of the campaign ….had he shown interest in doing such things in the past?

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  15. Cisco says:

    “It’s harder to indict a high-profile defendant”…
    Of course unless their dead.
    Can ya’ say Arkincide?
    Sure ya’ can.

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  16. LULU says:

    Therefore if Carter Page was not a victim; meaning if Carter Page was an active participant (mole) in the FBI operation – willing to be the vehicle by which the Steele Dossier could be injected into the investigation; then there will likely be no criminal conduct outlined by Horowitz.

    If Carter Page had been part of the conspiracy, couldn’t he then be indicted for criminal conduct?

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  17. repsort says:

    If justice is ever going to be done, it’ll take a general strike with millions of us marching on DC – willing to stay there as long as it takes to see it done.

    But let’s face it. Who here is willing to do that?
    Not many, is my guess. We’re all hopin that one man can save us. He can’t.

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  18. gary says:

    the fact that mueller said he had no idea what fusion GPS is,is proof of conspiracy. that and they have fought tooth and nail to hide everything we have gotten out of them. we have been surprised at some things that have gone in favor of justice, lets hope for more surprises.

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    • BitchyPants says:

      “hide” I think you mean “destroy”
      If anyone doesn’t think Mueller/Weissman did not destroy hard evidence they had in their possession – they are delusional
      Horowitz can interview until he is blue in the face
      If charges are to be brought what you need is “EVIDENCE”
      Evidence of criminal acts were in the shredders starting on that night in Nov 2016

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  19. Gunner says:

    ‘Expectations’? You serious? The only ‘expectation’ I have is that politicians like Gowdy will continue yapping and deep state criminals will continue doing what they do because of ‘yapping’ politicians.

    Meanwhile, President Trump and millions of deplorable bastards like me will continue fighting for our great Republic.

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  20. John-Y128 says:

    It’s great that the USA has a Trey Goudy (with a new doo and glasses) to front run Americans with any kind off expectations for real justice, like Mike Flynn got, while Dir. Wray and AG Barr sanitizes the latest unreleased IG report. – “Failure is Unacceptable”

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  21. Carrie says:

    You know, I was just thinking, I really don’t want to hear Gowdy’s take on this whole thing- what abut Ratcliffe? Or Jordan or Nunes? And whatever happened to Meadows? I haven’t seen him in ages!

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    • Linda K. says:

      Gowdy is doing it because he is out of office. The sacrificial lamb.

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    • dwpender says:

      Gowdy is out of Congress at this point, and far removed from the loop regarding what’s really going on with the IG/Barr/Durham. Now he lacks even the veneer of that “I’m in the know, but I can’t tell you YET” smirk as he delivers his insights.

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  22. Linda K. says:

    We have learned that we cannot trust the FBI or CIA and that is a valuable lesson. But our way is not corrupt and we will change course.

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    • George 1 says:

      Linda K. The FBI, CIA, State Department, DOJ, most large state justice agencies, the Five Eyes and many of our other so called “allies” around the world and all their intelligence agencies. Not to mention most of our politicians.

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  23. butch cassidy says:

    Earlier this week Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows talked as if this report would cover all 4 fisa apps, per today’s washington examiner. I assumed, as most people here did, that’s what this report would do. What the hell is going on? They did a lot of review and interviews for one person. Our trusted white hats are either giving out bad info or they are misinformed. I will remain patient,no other choice, however I am concerned about this wrinkle.

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  24. There goes the indictment of any of these FBI agents! Lost hope!

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  25. McGuffin says:

    Rooster’s trying to hard to be hip. The new do rooster is sporting only works on millennials…and even then it’s fugly.

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  26. Moe Grimm says:

    What the devil am I missing in this? “…meaning if Carter Page was an active participant (mole) in the FBI operation – willing to be the vehicle by which the Steele Dossier could be injected into the investigation…” Anybody?

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    • Chewbarkah says:

      You aren’t the one missing something. For Carter Page to have been a “willing participant” makes the FISA application an even more blatant fraud. Contrary to turning the case into a victimless non-event, it would be a fraud on the FISA court, in which Page was a participant. In no way does it reduce culpability for those who produced, reviewed, and signed an intentionally false FISA application. Further, it establishes that Page and the FBI/CIA conspired to spy on the Trump presidential campaign by placing Page in it as a covert agent. They then used Page as primary fodder in the Steele Dossier, etc. Knowing the dossier was fraudulent precisely because it used their agent Page to smear Trump by association, the DoJ, FBI, CIA, the OSC and Page said nothing publicly or in testimony to Congress to disclose the truth.

      If the IG discloses that Carter Page was a willing participant, the entire plot is exposed from bark to core and there is no way Barr can fail to pursue the biggest political crime since the Lincoln assassination. I would be shocked if Gowdy does not realize this. Perhaps he desires to play it down during the IG Report pre-review.

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    • Mac says:

      Chewbarkah is correct. But, it goes far deeper than this.

      The first thing to remember is that the series of “Get Trump” operations were not a carefully planned and executed program. They were hurriedly slapped together operations which resulted from unforeseen incidents.

      1) Servergate was supposed to disappear into the black hole of FBI/DOJ investigations. It failed to do that and was resurrected in late 2015 by the Trump campaign.So, HRC had to be protected from a blatant criminal offense. Enter Comey and Stzrok to perform the whitewash.
      2) Adm. Rogers shutdown the NSA 702 spy operation, including that on the Trump campaign, in early 2016. Somehow, surveillance of the campaign had to be reestablished. Enter Brennen, the CIA, the FBI and DOJ intelligence units and several foreign governments and intelligence assets. They were supposed to develop the predicate for electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign, largely by smearing Papadapolous, Montefort and Flynn as being foreign agents. While that was going on, human surveillance was put in place, in the campaign. This was probably Page, who had performed similar services for the FBI before.
      3) The ops using Papadapolous, Montefort and Flynn fell through, largely becaause the DOJ could n ot sell the foreign agent narrative to FISC made skeptical and defensive by the Rogers’ reported and previously documented NSA abuses. So, they tried using Page. This failed to work, so then the conspirators introduced the wholly fabricated Steele dossier and its leaked media “validation” to obtain a Title I FISA warrant on Page. possibly with the help of a sympathetic FISA judge. The Steele Dossier was originally supposed to be a political smear campaign, not part of the legal assault on Trump.
      4) This was supposed to insure a HRC win. But, that failed to happen. Now the final Get Trump operation was launched in earnest, the Get Trump out of office campaign. That failed as well.

      Now the evidence of the most egregious government actions in the history of the Republic are surfacing. And those involved go all the way to the Oval Office of the Obama Administration and deep into Congress. This not a conspiracy to cover-up a penny ante political burglary, after the fact, or committing perjury in a sex case. This is French Revolution territory. And, the Powers That Be are not going to go down without a fight. Barr, et all, is in position to control the information released as well as who gets prosecuted and for what. The last thing that the Establishment wants is to produce another John Dean. So, we will see prosecutions avoided, cases slow walked and finally plea deals made for minor offenses. All to “Save The Union”. Do not be surprised if no major player gets charged or, if charged, is charged with anything significant.

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      • warrprin1 says:

        Thereby, in their quest to “Save The Union”, they will have destroyed every last vestige of equal justice under the law. But, they don’t care.

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        • Mac says:

          Possibly. The far greater danger is that no matter which direction they choose, the Union will not stand. We are very close to a no-win situation, at this point. Too much has been revealed. If nothing is done to correct this and punish those responsible, then the “deplorables” might just revolt. Especially if Trump fails to win reelection and there is any hint of tainted results. If the government actually follows the evidence and prosecutes those involved, it is equally likely that the liberal loons will revolt. Either way, civil war could be the result.

          IMO, the existing government, faced with the probable outcomes, will attempt to tread water for as long as it can, in the hope that a miracle will save the nation. I suggest that people prepare for very troubled times.

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  27. ozymandiasssss says:

    Yeah, that is about as clear a warning that there are problems with the case as can be. The problem is we have a tradition of slapping the wrists of prosecutors and agents that file false documents in court. Cases get thrown out, section 1983 civil actions get filed, but criminal actions aren’t brought.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that lying on an affidavit is perjury. They could bring a perjury case if they wanted to.

    And if the entire case was riddled with fraud, they could bring a criminal action for conspiring to violate the civil rights of a person-probably candidate and president Trump’s rights. Presumably that is what Durham is investigating.

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  28. CopperTop says:

    Page worked both sides. He sent a letter to Comey asking to be interviewed to stop the intrusion into his life. If he thought DOJ was going to screw him…he inoculated himself with that letter

    I have mentioned in the past but good time to remind. Even if Page never ‘owned’ his role in agreeing to being ‘listened’ to, the whole business with Cohen being in the FISA also provides cover to DOJ.

    There are Woods review angles that can be covered if there is no ‘possibility’ of subjects being interviewed by the DOJ. A prevention to an ‘interview’ would be if a person has attorney client privilege. All the affiant had to assert to upper mgmt is that there is atty client privilege attached to a subject of the FISA.

    The dossier whether verified or not included the President’s atty. False FACT. But didn’t matter.

    The whole business of arresting Cohen was to get POTUS to assert that Cohen WAS his atty.

    Therefor the FISA valid.

    BASTARDS.

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  29. For Eyes says:

    It seems to me there are a couple of options in play, none of them good.

    1) Gowdy is playing for the Black Hats team. Perhaps because he was threatened or bought off. Perhaps more innocently that he just feels an affinity for the institutions of the DOJ and FBI. So with this option he is lowering the call to justice to give DOJ more running room to go easy here.

    If this option is in play, then the only antidote is for Barr to come at all of this with more strength and vigor than I fear he will. I’ve said before my confidence in Barr is now low as a result of the actions we know to be facts. I fear if we have to depend on Barr, we will be disappointed.

    2) Completely separate from #1, we have the beginnings of a narrative that the coup actions were “really bad, really immoral, really unethical, BUT LEGAL.” Tick Tock turns into tisk-tisk to those folks involved, and we have a scolding lecture for them to not do that again.

    This the “by the book” end game.

    If #1 is false and Gowdy and is indeed a patriot with a strong knowledge of the law, and he saw #2 to be the case, then what do you do? Perhaps do what he discussed in one hearing about wanting to do: just retire back to quiet SC and spend his evenings on the sofa with his wife watching cheesy Hallmark movies, and try to live out a life where none of this touches him or his family. Yeah, cash in with some TV contracts and perhaps a book deal on the ethics of all of this. Retire with his two pensions, one from his prosecutor days and a second one as Congressman.

    3) He knows or has a strong sense as an insider where Barr and DOJ are going with this, and he’s just front-running the ultimate conclusion. DOJ can soft-peddle this by focusing on some weak statutes and ignoring others that have more promise.

    Notice how Gowdy raised the straw man of weak statutes to Sean that are easily knocked down, but when Sean pointed out some stronger ones discussed by Jarrett, Gowdy chuckled and said “go tell that to Barr.”

    If you are Barr, ways out of this are: a) focus on statutes that are either too hard to prove, and then decline to prosecute; b) put in the JV team and lose; c) run out the clock.

    If you are Barr and you actually want to convict people for what has been done, you get busy with low hanging fruit cases now and get rolling. More complex cases to come in time. But since there’s a lot to do, get busy now. That ain’t happening so far.

    I don’t like any of the options I am seeing.

    And that begs for conclusions about where that will leave us going forward, as a nation, and implications for the next election, and the next Presidential term for whoever sits in that chair.

    It feels like a good time to quote Edmund Burke again: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    And these:

    “There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue.”

    “To speak of atrocious crime in mild language is treason to virtue.”

    “Kings are ambitious; the nobility haughty; and the populace tumultuous and ungovernable. Each party, however in appearance peaceable, carries on a design upon the others; and it is owing to this, that in all questions, whether concerning foreign or domestic affairs, the whole generally turns more upon some party-matter than upon the nature of the thing itself; whether such a step will diminish or augment the power of the crown, or how far the privileges of the subject are likely to be extended or restricted by it. And these questions are constantly resolved, without any consideration of the merits of the cause, merely as the parties who uphold these jarring interests may chance to prevail; and as they prevail, the balance is overset, now upon one side, now upon the other. The government is, one day, arbitrary power in a single person; another, a juggling confederacy of a few to cheat the prince and enslave the people; and the third, a frantic and unmanageable democracy. The great instrument of all these changes, and what infuses a peculiar venom into all of them, is party. It is of no consequence what the principles of any party, or what their pretensions, are; the spirit which actuates all parties is the same; the spirit of ambition, of self-interest, of oppression, and treachery. This spirit entirely reverses all the principles which a benevolent nature has erected within us; all honesty, all equal justice, and even the ties of natural society, the natural affections. In a word, my Lord, we have all seen, and, if any outward considerations were worthy the lasting concern of a wise man, we have some of us felt, such oppression from party government as no other tyranny can parallel. We behold daily the most important rights, rights upon which all the others depend, we behold these rights determined in the last resort without the least attention even to the appearance or colour of justice; we behold this without emotion, because we have grown up in the constant view of such practices; and we are not surprised to hear a man requested to be a knave and a traitor, with as much indifference as if the most ordinary favour were asked; and we hear this request refused, not because it is a most unjust and unreasonable desire, but that this worthy has already engaged his injustice to another. These and many more points I am far from spreading to their full extent.”

    “A good parson once said, that where mystery begins, religion ends. Cannot I say, as truly at least, of human laws, that where mystery begins, justice ends?”

    “It is an advantage to all narrow wisdom and narrow morals that their maxims have a plausible air; and, on a cursory view, appear equal to first principles.”

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  30. Carrie says:

    This corrupt cabal is trying to splice this massive network into many different little issues in attempt to obfuscate the big overarching spy network over PDJT and his team. The only answer is to declassify the lot of it and then have great researchers like Sundance, Rosie Memos, Techno Fog and others pour through it and show the master plan. Otherwise this will just be a bunch of crumbs and the public won’t be able to follow it.

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    • For Eyes says:

      That has in fact been done.

      Conservatives in the broad mass of people have tuned out because they can’t follow the story or have the energy to do it.

      Liberals (MSM) have used the confusion to cherry pick facts to support their own narrative. The mass of people who listen to CNN and MSNBC truly do not believe what we believe. They have been pounded by the alternative narrative for so long they believe it.

      From the standpoint of governance of the nation going forward, that is a real problem.

      And that problem explodes in scale by Barr’s inaction. Because the sole way to knock down this problem is convictions of a multitude of big players. It seems Gowdy is telling us to not expect this from Barr.

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  31. Rockindubya says:

    Trey Gowdy… I once liked the guy. He talked a good game in the Benghazi hearings, then nothing came of it. He talked a good game in Cankles e-mail hearings, then nothing came of it. One can only hope… My supply is dwindling…

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  32. GB Bari says:

    President Trump has on multiple occasions implied that serious (but unspecified) actions were being undertaken so that “this never again happens to a president.” One would hope he extends that thought to victims of government prosecutorial abuse like Flynn, Caputo, Cohen, Stone and others.

    I think it’s getting close to a time when someone needs to ask the President how is he ensuring that future presidents and citizens will be protected from this criminal abuse by the corrupt Deep State and DOJ zealots when it’s being steadily revealed that the DOJ refuses to hold anyone criminally accountable who illegally conspired and abused national security apparatus and processes, and also lied about it, against him

    I think it’s a fair question.

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    • ozymandiasssss says:

      We can leave Cohen out of that. He deserves everything he is getting. A lawyer that records his client surreptitiously to try to trap him deserves nothing.

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      • GB Bari says:

        I don’t think that Cohen’s offices were raided and his confidential files seized by the FBI because he recorded his clients. That unethical act by the FBI occurred ONLY because he was DJT’s lawyer.

        So my including him was because of the actions of Weismann and the FBI, not because I have any personal sympathy for Cohen (I don’t).

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  33. So since there is no hope of ridding us of the Deep Swamp , …. it is hopeless…. foiled at every turn…. WHY WAS DONALD TRUMP SO FOOLISH to go down this path ?? WHY DID HE RUN FOR POTUS ?
    When he is out of office , the D S TEAM will punish his remaining family in every way possible. They will be third class pariahs. staying at MOTEL 6 !!
    WHO KNEW TRUMP WAS A FOOL ! ?
    HE IS SHORT SIGHTED , AND THINKS NOTHING THROUGH.

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    • warrprin1 says:

      So I guess, Richard, you believe that no one should challenge malevolence if the price of defeat is sufficiently high. Then what the hell constitutes heroism? Is it possible to be a patriot without risk or peril?

      What do you think our Founding Fathers were facing, had the Revolution failed and the Crown prevailed? A day in the park?

      Be grateful there are courageous spirits like Donald Trump – and each member of his family.

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  34. dwpender says:

    Joe DiGenova assured us as early as May that Horowitz had concluded that the last three warrants on Carter Page were “illegally obtained” (his words). Shortly thereafter, he told us the IG had “virtually concluded” that the first warrant was also “illegally obtained.” Despite his imperfect record on the predicting the internal operations of the DOJ/OIG, I’m presuming Joe to be right on this one until proven otherwise.

    Much is riding on one simple issue: How does the IG come out on whether the discernible, rampant, rabid “bias” (which he already found among the same players during the MYE) influenced or affected the DOJ/FBI’s collective decision to apply for the warrants on Page (or at least the way they crafted the applications)? If Horowitz tells us, like he told us regarding the MYE, that he could find “no evidence” that the bias impacted the decisions regarding the warrants, then we have ANOTHER whitewash. At best, we’ll see “internal disciplinary actions” and new “policies and procedures.”

    IF, on the other hand, Horowitz says a reasonable observer could conclude that the systematic bias among so many participants in the DOJ/FBI decision process DID impact the decision to apply for the warrants and/or the manner of crafting the applications, we’re in an entirely different ambit. I’ll leave it to others to work out the collateral consequences (in other proceedings) such an admission by the DOJ would involve. But I think the possibility of REAL (not process) indictments would increase dramatically.

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    • For Eyes says:

      1) In the edit and redaction process Barr can still massage the narrative.

      2) Barr can still decline to prosecute, as he has done with each of the referrals for prosecution he has received so far.

      The report will likely provide some more details we would like to see.

      The history has been that matters not, so far as next actions are involved.

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  35. For Eyes says:

    I fear you are correct.

    Were that coupled with some sense of contrition it would become a reasonable outcome. But it isn’t.

    It is more a case of the hard left lives to fight another day.

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  36. TradeBait says:

    No perp walks – confirmation of two systems of justice. I caution the DOJ because the undercurrents in this nation are running hot. If they want credibility restored, justice must be restored. Gowdy is fooling nobody. He is still a part of the DS and the their plantation.

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    • WDS says:

      After leaving the swamp (sorta anyway) Trey “the eviscerator” Gowdy went to work for the largest law & lobbying firm in the southeast. I repeat, LAW & LOBBYING firm.

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    • LafnH20 says:

      Imho, TradeBait, they want the “Appearance” of credibility restored.
      (Perceived Justice)

      You know…
      Horse and Pony shows
      Get everyone all hot and bothered
      Lotsa heated arguments and gavel pounding
      Then… may be… we’ll see…

      2 week “Prison” sentences (Why bother)
      “Community Service” (Blah, blah, blah…So sorry 😔 “I” won’t do it again)
      Bias training (Riiiiight) That’ll do it. Who knew?
      Followed by…
      A Strongly worded letter inserted into their “File” (Immediately Misplaced)
      – oh no’s😣
      and the obligatory extended VACA at their Villa in Paradise.(Recently Aquired… dontcha know)
      And… then… poof… Move along..

      Next…

      Actual Justice????
      How quaint.

      Iirc, there are some 15,000 laws (on the books since USA founding) regarding “GUNS”.
      Of all the laws (collectively) on the books (🤔 who knows)… and specifically with respect to the topics of the day… The “Bad Guys-n-Gals-n-whatevers” not to mention the “Lawyers, Politicicians and Pundits” seemed to have avoided violating ANY OF THEM?!!

      What are the odds that a miriad of individuals, acting individually out of an abundance of caution, without conspiracy or premeditation, over the breadth our Government Buerocracy and the Monstrocity we know as the “Globalist Corporate Media”, have avoided stepping on a single Constitutional Landmine!?

      Not a SINGLE ONE!

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  37. WDS says:

    Don’t worry Trey, we lowered our expectations long ago about justice in your former workplace.
    BTW, cute “smart glasses”.

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  38. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    All the more reason to go after anything and everything that is available. Was Comey’s ‘no indictment’ the same as McCabe’s?

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  39. ggmppv says:

    What if all of this a distraction ? The DS knows they will never get brought to account. They know no one will dare do it. Mad Maxine let the cat out of the bag a few years ago. What if the Huber, Horowitz, FISA investigations, etc are all just a shiny object to keep us distracted from noticing the real plan.

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  40. namberak says:

    10,000 years from now when archaeologists begin to excavate the swamp, they’ll find bits of the fossilized remains of Horowitz, bent over a pile of unpublished documentation. The only way this guy could work more slowly would be if he were comatose or deceased.

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  41. Doug Amos says:

    It’s President Trump, us and very few others. Nothing is going to or change on the Beltway, in the homes of Rinos or to the media agenda, no matter what happens. Shelve dreamland and get ready for a long hard battle with gains measured in inches. President Trump is all in; that is all we need to know; his is the voice that matters.

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  42. BigTalkers says:

    No matter the subject, the one thing I learned over the years about Trey Gowdy was if he said, “It’s a beautiful morning,” the actual time must be close to Midnight!

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  43. OlderAndWiser says:

    I’m not sure what all the commotion on this board is about. Here’s my humble take on what Gowdy said (which I thought was eminently reasonable):
    1) It is hard to take down well-connected people. We all know this to be true. The well-connected have well-connected lawyers who can thread the needle in the prosecutor’s case – because criminal statutes are not so cut and dried as we all think they should be. (Remember Clinton’s “Depends on the definition of is is”.) While he didn’t explicitly say this, but by giving Greg Craig as an example, he also implied that it is hard to take down a Dem or a deep stater in left wing DC. Folks, remember that a criminal case must be approved UNANIMOUSLY by a jury. What are the odds of finding 12 non-partisan (or non-D) jurors in DC by random selection? (Do the math – the odds are zilch.)
    2) In its stead, it’s easier to prove that a lawyer did not meet his obligations. The penalty for this – to remove his law license – is actually a quite serious penalty in the minds of most lawyers. Secondly, he also said that one can go to jail for contempt of court. So, I’m not sure why anyone thinks he is saying that people will not go to jail.

    What is left unsaid, and what I strongly suspect is what Durham is doing, is that a conspiracy case is being built against the main players. This is the big one. All the others – FISA violations etc. – are peanuts compared to the conspiracy case. If we prosecute – and then lose – the small cases, it will be harder to prosecute the big one – and we will also lose the public’s perception of what truly occurred here.

    So folks, I think we should take a deep breath and settle down. A conspiracy case – if it’s a well structured and written one – can move the public at large to remove the Dems from power for a generation. To me, that is a prize well worth fighting for. And if it can be proved in court and the conspirators have criminal consequences, that would be the icing on the cake.

    Let’s keep an eye on the ball. The conspiracy was a political conspiracy. If the consequences are only political and financial, that should be a victory; not the victory we would like, but an achievable victory. Draining the swamp is the first step to getting our country back.

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  44. mylabs5 says:

    I believe that the whole group of conspirators will pay even though a bunch of current and former DOJ is implicated.
    Here is why. It has to do with Jordan said a while back. Heads have to roll and people who were involved have to go to prison…including the highest up in the coup including Obama. Or else the public will have no faith in those agencies involved or the government in whole.
    “No faith” translates to millions and millions of Americans who have been waiting patiently for justice to be done, will leave the law abiding system we have and be laws unto themselves deciding what they will and won’t adhere to. Just thinks of what that means. Tens of millions of citizens disobeying any law they themselves deem to be arbitrary and contrary to their worldview. That civil disobedience will spread across local, state and federal jurisdictions. A blanket refusal to obey……
    The country can’t handle that type of soft rebellion against tyranny. The Dems know this. Thus the blatant call to disarm the public. Bet’ya was the trial balloon launched at the debate. That was a planned Tom Perez DNC guided announcement to see how the public will react. Trust me. This is their last shot to take over everything. They were on the track with Hillary but when she lost they had to up the timeline. Like atheists and Darwinists, who try to disprove Divine intervention and presence, settled on attacking Creation. If you destroy the foundation the rest falls.
    Same with Constitutional rights. Destroy the 2nd amendment and the rest falls.
    That’s their plan.

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  45. Carly says:

    The only available option for the little people is to play dirty like these folks do. Not sure what that means, what that looks like, and how we can band together, but that’s the clear takeaway.

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  46. Carly says:

    Another takeaway, law enforcement and agents can lie with abandon – it is 100% legal. They can take (fake) notes and not record. That leaves the little people with pleading the 5th, in any and all cases, even if you are pure as driven snow. You must protect yourselves from these predators and never cooperate. If anyone in the swamp is burned, it will be the weakest link who can’t provide any more leverage – they have no problem sacrificing their own. The only true justice they will receive is in the afterlife.

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  47. MR52 says:

    So what ever happened to Huber? Was he a Session setup? I mean if Page (FBI) was in on it and Manfort (Podesta) was in on it Is Session in on it? Was Hillary so bad that they had to do all this to try to stop Trump and they stilled failed? How the heck did Trump win with all huge effort to cheat the system?

    https://spectator.us/waiting-huber-investigation-fbi-abuse/

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    • michael says:

      This is all theater. Trump is on his own. The Deep State will stymie Trumps agenda, letting through what they and who like and killing off anything or persons giving them a really hard time. The new Red Flag laws are chaos causers and a new round of “Swatting” will start.

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    • farrier105 says:

      When you see in a legal filing by Ed Butowsky that Seymour Hersh told him that Andrew McCabe told Hersh that Seth Rich stole the DNC emails and sold them to Wikileaks, you have to wonder what is real in this thing and what isn’t.

      The biggest thing about that story was the fact that the 2017 dust-up about the Seth Rich story came from LEFTIST SOURCES from the very beginning. It was Ellen Ratner who asked Butowsky to tell the Rich family that Julian Assange told her (it was really most likely her former sister-in-law who told her) that Seth Rich provided the emails to Wikileaks. Ellen Ratner, though a contributor of some kind to FOX News, is a left wing radio host in Cleveland when not “contributing” to FOX, where other liberals work as well since everyone complains about them.

      Ellen Ratner’s former sister-in-law, Margaret Ratner Kunstler, divorced Ellen Ratner’s brother, Michael Ratner, to marry radical left-wing lawyer, William Kunstler. It was Margaret Ratner who was still one of Julian Assange’s lawyers as Michael Ratner was before he died along with William Kunstler.

      The Seth Rich story, as we know it, originated with these leftist sources, and, allegedly, Andrew McCabe was providing it to Seymour Hersh for some reason. As of now, I don’t know who else could be responsible for it. It exploded in 2017, with Butowsky taking Ellen Ratner’s bait and running with it.

      Alternative media figures have been dodging the background of Ellen Ratner and Butowsky’ allegations about McCabe pushing the Seth Rich story while emphasizing how Butowsky recorded Seymour Hersh’s story about Seth Rich and his brother being responsible while McCabe publicly parroted the Russian Hack story about the DNC emails. Why won’t they include Ratner’s left-wing affiliation and McCabe’s role as alleged in Butowsky’s legal filing?

      It doesn’t fit the narrative which is a left-wing, and possibly an Andrew McCabe (meaning FBI/CIA) production.

      This is just one example of how some story like this can emerge that gives rise to the suspicion that something like Trump-Russia/Spygate, etc. could just be scripted drama to keep Americans fighting each other while the One Percent keep chugging along. It has accomplished little else than more Divide-and-Conquer.

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  48. CountryDoc says:

    We the People, are the only ones who really care about the whole process. We the people are the ones ultimately responsible. That is what a republic is.

    Our president has made it a personal task to represent us, at great expense to himself. I can see very little secondary gain on his part for all the trouble he is bearing.

    The swamp is trying to bait us to overreact: with Arms, with violins, with prejudice, by breaking our own Barry laws. They also strategically hide behind our laws and morals.

    The real answer is to cut off the funding. That’s why the ways and means committees are the most powerful. All of the progress our president is making is via control of funding.

    If we cut off the money, the sausage making in fragmentation mentioned above will stop.

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  49. platoriusnepos says:

    So the DOJ leaks to Fox this morning that the US Attorney wants to indict McCabe. Too funny if it was not so serious.

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    • platoriusnepos says:

      Didn’t mean to be off topic of FISA- Horowitz report;intent was that we are being pulled one way and then pushed back the other way; two extremes with no sense of what will come.

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      • LafnH20 says:

        And we always seem to end up where we began…

        A couple of folks at the front of the “Tug of War” rope get a lil mud splashed on em, maybe one or two take a tumble…
        yet no-one of any significance ends up in the mud pit!

        Time expires and it ends in a stalemate… On to the next event..

        Same Same. Over and Over and Over…

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  50. platoriusnepos says:

    Didn’t mean to be off topic of FISA- Horowitz report;intent was that we are being pulled one way and then pushed back the other way; two extremes with no sense of what will come.

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