Beijing Pledges Fight “To the End” Against U.S. Economic Confrontation – Let It Be So…

An announcement from China on Saturday, pledging a full economic war against the United States, will likely not come as a surprise for most CTH readers.  However, it does serve as emphasis for our 2017 statement: “prepare your affairs accordingly“…

When we followed up a few months later with the warning:

“There is no upper limit to the level of economic pain Team U.S.A. (America First) is willing to inflict upon China. There is no ending perimeter of action too far for President Trump to travel. Trump will battle his adversary far beyond traditional horizons and will follow them in retreat if that’s what it takes to ensure the safety of the our economic nation.”

Those words were not written lightly.  We accept Trump’s history; we accept three decades of his expressed intent on these issues; and we also accept the historic and cultural position of China which takes us into this conflict.   From Beijing today:

China on Saturday said it would continue fighting the trade war with the US “until the end” after the two sides slapped further tariffs on each other’s goods.

The commerce ministry issued a statement calling on Washington not to “misjudge the situation and underestimate the determination of Chinese people” after US President Donald Trump announced new tariffs on Chinese imports. “The US should immediately stop its wrong action, or it will have to bear all consequences,” the statement said.

“China’s will to defend the core interests of the country and the fundamental interests of the people is indestructible, and will not fear any challenge,” the commentary said.

An earlier commentary from Taoran Notes, a social media account affiliated with official newspaper Economic Daily, said China’s countermeasures were akin to a “precision instrument”, targeting industries such as US soybeans, crude oil and cars. (read more)

Donald J Trump is not engaged in this political and economic battle as a matter of creating benefit to himself or his business enterprise.

President Donald J Trump is approaching this geopolitical issue from a perspective of stewardship. President Trump will intensely protect America with the ferocity the same Donald Trump protects his family.

Unfortunately, Beijing has no formative understanding of how intensely this American President views his role of national stewardship. This is not a typical American political adversary Chairman Xi Jinping has ever encountered within the body of U.S. politicians.

President Trump is not a typical western politician from the perspective of self-interest. This president would grind the bones in his own hand to make lady liberty a rib if that was what is necessary to generate a win for America. Believe it.

Adding to the dynamic, China has no cultural or political space between peace and war; they are a historic nation based on two points of polarity.  They see peace and war as coexisting with each other.

China accepts and believes opposite or contrary forces may actually be complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and they may give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another.  Flowing between these polar states is a natural dynamic to be used -with serious contemplation- in advancing objectives as needed.

Peace or war. Win or lose. Yin and Yang. Culturally there is no middle position in dealings with China; they are not constitutionally capable of understanding or valuing the western philosophy of mutual benefit where concession of terms gains a larger outcome.

SIMPLY: if it does not benefit China, it is not done. The outlook is simply, a polarity of peace or war.  In politics or economics the same perspective is true.  It is a zero-sum outlook.

Therefore, when you see China publicly use strong language – it indicates a level of internal disposition beyond the defined western angst.  Big Panda becomes Red Dragon; there is no mid-status or evolutionary phase.

Every American associated with investment, economics and China would be well advised to accept the dynamic, and put their business affairs in order accordingly.

President Trump will not back down from his position; the U.S. holds all of the leverage and the issue must be addressed.  President Trump has been waiting three decades for this moment.  Middle-class America has waited decades for this moment.  This President and his team are entirely prepared for this.

We are finally confronting the geopolitical Red Dragon, China!

President Trump hasn’t been talking about this for three decades only to put limits on his approach; including daring this economic adversary, China, to strike back by nationalizing U.S. private corporate assets.  President Trump is the most accessible and transparent President in modern history… He also doesn’t bluff.  Trump may modify or delay based on his oppositions’ counter-moves, but he doesn’t bluff.

 

President Trump doesn’t apply force, he simply creates outcomes where the best alternative for the adversary is to change their approach according to their own best interests. President Trump positions the location of the interests themselves, he does not need the direct application of force.

President Trump also doesn’t seek to apply force to the mouse running through the economic maze; he simply changes the location of the cheese, and the mouse’s travel responds accordingly.

There’s no limit to the economic squeeze President Trump is willing to apply toward China. The U.S. Treasury, the U.S. Dept of Commerce, the U.S. Dept of State, the U.S. Dept of Agriculture, these are all tools in the sequential approach that are far more powerful than bombs, planes and rockets….

President Trump will use the full measure of economic tools at his disposal.

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311 Responses to Beijing Pledges Fight “To the End” Against U.S. Economic Confrontation – Let It Be So…

  1. Sentient says:

    Help the US farmers ( who understand) and we’ll be fine.

    Liked by 12 people

    • bertdilbert says:

      Ultimately a global recession will lower the consumption of protein and demand for animal feed. So will have to see how Trump addresses this.

      Liked by 1 person

      • TreeClimber says:

        Make it domestic. I’d *love* to be able to afford a steak… I don’t remember the last time we had anything besides chicken or sausage.

        Liked by 2 people

        • bertdilbert says:

          If you subsidized the beef feedlots, the chicken and sausage lobbies would go ballistic.

          A steak in every frying pan beats a chicken in every pot. So here is my plan. Everyone who works X wages and files a tax return, gets coupons for a dozen steaks as part of their tax return.

          This will incentivize work and drive the cow fart people crazy. Trump can call it “The Beef New Deal”. Trump wins in landslide.

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    • USTerminator says:

      When someone claims they will fight to the end. They know they lost the fight. There is no “face saving” for Xi in the card. That ship had sailed. Time to finish the fight. Let impose 50% tariff across the board on China import. Restrict all technology export to all China industries. Any capital investment in China must be approved by Treasury. Mandatory search all package, containers from China origin for fentanyl and IP thief. Make the life of importers measurable.

      Liked by 17 people

      • SharonKinDC says:

        Yes. I thought the same. WHile it is typical Commie regime talk, I cannot help but think they know they’ve got the short end of the stick and the bluster is more for domestic consumption.

        Liked by 6 people

        • USTerminator says:

          Not quite true. That is the talk when commie is in the losing end. When they know they are winning they are much more arrogant.

          https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/chinas-diplomacy-has-a-monster-in-its-closet/

          ” In 2010, then-Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi hinted at this in Hanoi when he harangued the assembled representatives of ASEAN with his admonition that “China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that’s just a fact.” Beijing further affirmed its paternalistic foreign policy in its 2017 white paper “China’s Policies on Asia-Pacific Security Cooperation,” which we might see as China’s own Monroe Doctrine, fashioning China as the security partner of choice in Asia.”

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      • This is not about trade or economics.
        This is the agenda of the Chinese communists to dominate the world.
        Progressives are busily predicting a recession and blaming the world’s ills on Trump, when in reality it is the progressive socialist communist agenda that is choking the world economy, just as it does in the progressive controlled cities around America.
        China’s economy is based upon theft, not true productivity, just as western progressives practice. China is rebelling against reforms that would force them on a level playing field where they KNOW, just as progressives know in the U.S. and much of Europe, that they CANNOT compete.
        This is war, and unfortunately it is not just against China. It is a war with progressivism/socialism…..both ultimately the gateway ideology for communism.

        Liked by 14 people

        • GB Bari says:

          Excellent focus on the real driver behind the political problems in every continent around the world, bar NONE.

          Leftists are the worlds largest single problem. They are determined to force their ideology on everyone and they get increasingly violent as long as free and democratic societies resist their totalitarian methods and prevent them from taking control.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Mncpo(ret) says:

          AMEN!!!!!! I wish more people understood this.

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    • USTerminator says:

      Tell Taiwan that US opens the window for sell of military wares for Taiwan. They can put in their order now. Will be delivered before 2021

      Liked by 3 people

      • amjean says:

        What is amusing about your statement is that prior to the US purchasing cheap
        goods from China, we were purchasing cheap goods from Taiwan.

        Liked by 1 person

        • GB Bari says:

          And before that, low cost goods from Japan. In the 60s 70s and 80s, Japanese products, especially “high tech”, were almost always superior to those from any other Asian nation and several brands of electronics and vehicles eclipsed American brands in quality yet were lower in cost. Then it seemed that many Japanese brands shifted manufacturing to South Korea, then finally to China.

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        • USTerminator says:

          There is no permanent friends or enemies. Only permanent national interest. Taiwan has never been US enemy, just smart competitor, I can not say the same about PRC

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    • Uncle Max says:

      With due respect, the US farmers need to find a market that is not dependent on China. Period. There was NO China market for AG for a LONG time. It’s only been the last 15 or 20 years. Big AG needs to get their ducks in a row and plant what they can sell to other markets. IMO.

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      • It’s not just farmers. Corporate profits depend upon the importation of cheap Chinese goods as they are fare more profitable than domestic made products. These corporations are screaming because they don’t want they gravy train to end. They will talk the markets down and the economy too to put pressure on Trump to fold. They don’t care about anyone or country besides themselves. They will pretend that they provide so many jobs in logistics and sales, like Amazon isn’t going to take that away, while ignoring manufacturing jobs, and worse still the very obvious dependency we have on a Nation that IS NOT our friend….unless it is a friend that provides lubrication….maybe…If we ask nice.

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      • PS says:

        It’s a (seed) bed of their own making.

        In order to get larger crop yield to harvest in fall of 2019, a farmer needs to plant the seed in spring 2019. They order that seed in spring of 2018, so that the seed vendors can plant their crop to produce the seed by fall. Our farmer needs to line up contracts in 2017 (futures), to get the loans to buy the seed, so they can pay back the loan with the harvest in 2019. Industrial farmers don’t have seed reserves for their patented insecticide-resistant plants, and their crops are sterile so they are locked into this seed production logistics. Strike one.

        Now we get to soybeans and corn. 25% of all US Soybeans are exported to China, to fatten the pork that their billions of people need to eat. Mess with tariffs, and suddenly you have too many soybeans, with no logistics for domestic storage and food production.
        Approximately 40% of all US Corn is for domestic ethanol, which is a fiat fuel dictated by environmental controls (but for RPS, we’d have anything else in our engines). Mess with fuel standards, and a lot of farmers suddenly have too much non-human-consumption corn. Strike two.

        Pres. Trump’s writing was on the wall for a long time, and no one wanted to believe it. The Globalist food processing sector who moves products from country to country used the US citizen as “piggy bank” again by charging us much higher prices than necessary for our own domestically produced food, as SD has shown, by cornering a market with M&A. Too many thought Trump would be taken out by Russia Collusion by now, and never boarded the Trump Train. Well, now you have to deal with your own choices. Strike three.

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      • USTerminator says:

        In the cold war, we do not have market of USSR, China, and Eastern Block and our economy was doing great. It is not the market access, it is the globalism is the problem, push by our own leaders (Bushes and Clinton) that designs to transfer US economy to China economy. It is successful beyond every globalist’s dream. What globalists thought that rich China would not challenge them militarily and influent globally turn out to be so wrong which is startling them. The neocons and globalists are more concern about China’s stand on South China Sea than US lost the industrial base telling you all you need to know. They would be happy to push US into Third World country as long as China would not challenging them for world domination.

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    • Michael Kunz says:

      And stupid little Macroleon of France appears to be spoiling for a fight, effectively pitting France on the side of China. I don’t know what the latest figures are at the moment but certainly a couple of Months ago, President Trump was well ahaed of Macron, in the French popularity stakes. Looks like tarrifs will be slapped onto French wines as well, which can do the American wine industry no harm at all. Don’t know American wines at all well, but Australian wines knock the French muck, into a cocked hat.

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  2. Chimpy says:

    We live in very interesting times.

    Liked by 13 people

  3. MakeAmericaGreat says:

    I doubt it will take very long until Xi and China realize their miscalculation.

    Sure, POTUS wants to win re-election. But he’s been waiting for this battle for at least three decades. He’s not backing down now.

    As said in a recent thread, POTUS reinforced his choice several weeks ago after getting word from adviser Michael Pillsbury that China felt he (POTUS) was weak, or in a weakened spot.

    That same day, Powell dropped the interest rates (only) 0.25%.

    The next business day, I believe, POTUS announced the previous “new” round of tariffs.

    He’s not going to back down here. Nor should he. And even if China holds off until the election, they will take massive, massive losses for their trouble. He’s just getting started in the damage he can do, if he chooses.

    Liked by 19 people

    • mopar2016 says:

      Looks like the Chinese economy is going to get worse.

      Liked by 19 people

    • luke says:

      Yep this is where Trump is ideologically motivated. He’s politically savvy unlike I’ve ever witnessed. That is not a slight towards him; thank God he gets it. This China conflict is a calculated risk with the elections coming up next year. I sure as hell would not second guess Trumps instincts. He does what he feels is right and let’s the chips fall where they may.

      Liked by 21 people

    • Hmmm... says:

      The problem is that there is no ability for leadership to admit a mistake which makes this situation quite perilous really. Culturally and pragmatically retreat and admitting error would be incredibly damaging for the CCP. When you rule by fear then it is catastrophic to reveal that you are not as powerful as you have led your subjects to believe. President Trump greatly exaggerates this by demonstrating true power that is seen and appreciated much more clearly by the Chinese people than westerners which makes conceding even more untenable.

      They will lash out and try to find other ways to assert power. They have no choice. This will in turn substantially demonstrate the very real danger that authoritarian China poses which will further strengthen President Trump’s case against them and further undermine their economy.

      Liked by 8 people

      • Garrison Hall says:

        Authoritarian regimes tend to panic and do really dumb things when they face the kind of domestic unrest that results from flagging economies and civil unrest. When Argentina’s economic crisis threatened its military government, the ruling generals decided that they could take national attention off their failing economy by invading the Falkland Islands. The Chinese military has been looking for a fight for quite some time now. They could start a shooting war as a way of focusing attention away from their internal problems.

        Liked by 4 people

      • Uncle Max says:

        I get it that Xi is President for Life, but that is a two-headed coin. He has to walk a tightrope the Trump does not. Xi has a political machine beneath him that follow him, but he’s one car ride into the forest away from not being in charge. Trump knows this too.

        Liked by 3 people

      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        Minor point of order: the Chinese people see only what their government wants them to see. They are cut off from the information flow that most of the rest of the world gets.

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      Xi and his Party leadership may lack the imagination to conceive of the scale of change possible in a few years. Mark Steyn has pointed out that after World War One there was no more Russian Tsar, or German Kaiser, or Austro-Hungarian Empire, or Ottoman Empire, and on and on. Almost no one saw it coming before the War.
      I believe Donald Trump himself has pointed out that we did very little trade with China up to the 1980s, so he has the long perspective.

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      • MakeAmericaGreat says:

        Great point. And you’re right, POTUS does have the long perspective here.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Raptors2020 says:

          Mark Steyn said permanence is the illusion of every age. The North of England was the workshop of the world in the 19th Century. Nothing says that, likewise, the industry can’t leave China, never to return.

          Liked by 5 people

          • MakeAmericaGreat says:

            Yep. Just like that, it can be gone.

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          • China has already invaded the territories of their neighbors. As those neighbors “steal” China’s markets, will they seek to annex them entirely?
            Many are concerned about Hong Kong and Taiwan, but it could be bigger than that.
            China may well attempt the annexation of Taiwan, and if we push back, maybe then, real war. If we don’t respond, Vietnam next.

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  4. Publius2016 says:

    it is so much more than just Communist China! its about our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!!

    Globalists rampage worldwide looking to corner each market and steal in perpetuity our ideas, our independence and our posterity!!! 45 says: “hold my diet coke”

    Liked by 22 people

    • Dutchman says:

      Publius;
      I SO agree, and I hope by now MOST treepers, having passed SD’s “Maganomics 101” coarse, get it to.
      China is just the largest, but by no means only, State sponsor of Globalism.

      They exfiltrate the wealth, manufacturing jobs, and with them the lifestyles, and the American dream from our country.

      PDJT stepped into the Oval office, and said “Ok, this crap ends NOW!”
      He has prepped the battlefield, stocked up on supplies, and we are behind him every step as Grandma says.

      As Chesty Morgan said, when advised his 1 division was surrounded by 21 divisions of Chicoms, “Well, THAT simplifies things!”

      Now, thank God, perhaps PDJT doesn’t have to talk and tweet about “My good friend, Xi.

      Perhaps he will, but if instead he calls him a cerebrally constipated thug, it won’t bother me.

      BRING IT ON !

      Liked by 3 people

      • jbt says:

        A question to now ask my liberal acquaintances: How does it feel to know that Communist China is on YOUR side against President Trump? Communist China!! Slave masters over millions of their country’s people who work for little, have limited freedoms and are even told how many and what gender of children to keep. Do you truly feel comfortable being united with Communist China?

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        • Dutchman says:

          And should China engage in a bloody crackdown in HK, or against its own people, that question reasonates more.
          LOOK, you college indictrinated useful idiots who thing “conmunism” or “socialism” is just grand! DON’T turn away, or close your eyes, or run to your safe spaces,…LOOK! THIS is not conmunism done wrong, THIS is conmunism done just the way its ‘supposed’to be done, the,way it has,ALWAYS been done.

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        • You can’t ask a progressive any challenging questions. Whereas they used to avoid a debate by having cover from their media, today the absurdity is too great for that to hold. So now it’s simply hate speech and you’ll find yourself the target of antifa or worse, set upon you like locust.
          They seek, they NEED our silence. If they can’t stop you, they will simply eliminate the use of those words you use to offend.

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      • Ghost says:

        Chesty Puller

        there fixed it for you.
        😀

        Liked by 2 people

    • US says:

      This is the time the New World Order is replaced by the national interest. Western Christian Civilization is still alive.

      Liked by 3 people

  5. Grandma Covfefe says:

    Bring it on, Chairman XI.
    We Americans are not afraid of you.
    We are not afraid if we have to tighten our belt.
    WeThePeople still stand with our President Trump, no matter what.
    Our Almighty God is on our side.
    Buy American, Hire American…from now on.
    In God We Trust

    Liked by 21 people

  6. bertdilbert says:

    Extra leverage timing for Brexit talks… Everybody is surrounded!

    Liked by 10 people

  7. barnabusduke says:

    Game On…But we don’t play to lose! 😉

    Liked by 13 people

  8. Blind no Longer says:

    This is going to be very ugly! Gird your loins!

    Liked by 2 people

  9. DiogeneseVindicated says:

    China has no cultural or political space between peace and war; they are a historic nation based on two points of polarity. They see peace and war as coexisting with each other.

    Why is this not said out loud? This truth must be elevated in these terms so that they know we know. Why doesn’t someone actually take take them to task over their inability, and yes immorality, of avoiding a mutually beneficial position?

    Liked by 5 people

    • Observer says:

      Don’t buy it just cause an author says it. The same nonsensical argument was made against the USSR. I met some former enemy (I was an Infantry Officer). Turned out they were scared silly of us. Trust that the Chinese know their own cultural version of 50 shades of gray.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Dutchman says:

        Bullies boast. Bullies threaten, meaning threaten things they have no intention of actually doing.
        Its a ‘tell’; a give away. And yes, they are frightened, cause they know they got nothing.

        Liked by 3 people

      • hnrapbm says:

        The Sowjetunion was the successor of the Russian Empire. The Russian Empire was the successor of the Golden Horde. Moscow Khanate was renamed into “Russia” in 18th millenia by Tzar Peter “the great”.

        China and Russia are two sides of one imperial mentality, the mongol empire. And they still act in their brutal, opportunistic and cynical way. The “mandate from heaven” is mongol stuff..

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  10. sundance says:

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    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      Sundance, Love your response!
      Communist China has no idea what’s coming and what we’re made of.
      Thank God Donald J. Trump won in 2016

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    • dufrst says:

      Amen brother! What has China done for us? Look how they repay us for saving them from Japan in WW2, siding with them against the Soviets during the Cold War (Nixon), and allowing them to enter the WTO, where their economy supercharged and soared to heights that put them in a position to rival us. Our thanks for all that is a regime that seeks to dominate the world and spread a version of it’s state driven, authoritarian capitalism around the world!

      They were well on their way to doing that through theft, espionage, cyberwarfare, and pernicious unfair trading practices that allow them to have $300 billion trade surpluses year after year with us. As Trump said, this essentially rebuilt China and is financing their belt and road initiative. Worst still, they send the worse drugs into our country in the form of synthetic drugs like fentanyl that kill thousands of our people!

      If we don’t make our stand now, there will be nothing to stop China from outright global supremacy. Future generations of Americans cannot afford that fate! I believe this was the singular reason, if one was to be chosen, for why Trump won the presidency. We sensed an American decline from China sucking the life out of us economically. It was funding their economic expansion, their military and their global ambitions. Only Donald J. Trump had the courage and personality to this challenge head on. He indeed was the chosen one. God still sheds his grace thee America (for how much longer?)!

      Because of Trump, I know we will prevail against China. If China chooses to dig in to the end as they say, they are only digging their graves! MAGA!!

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  11. roddrepub says:

    China will suffer greatly.

    Liked by 1 person

  12. Impossible says:

    “China on Saturday said it would continue fighting the trade war with the US ‘until the end’” Such a statement underscores that the entire ‘trade endeavor’ was not trade at all, but mercantilism.

    True trade involves the exchange of dissimilar goods (or services). The bulk of Chinese trade (as is the case with the majority of international trade today) is wealth extraction through financial exploitation.

    Liked by 9 people

    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      It’s a big tell for anyone who is paying attention. For a country that just wants fair trade, there is no “end,” just a point at which something resembling fairness is reached.

      But how many people in the west are really paying attention?

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  13. Bluto Ruffian says:

    “Thank you for your attention to this matter”…
    How much clearer does this need to be?
    (powered by mega winamins)
    Just name me anyone else who could have made this statement…

    Liked by 5 people

  14. Scott says:

    We will have to put pressure on our “republicans” in congress to back Trump. Im sure they will be Chicken Littles.

    Liked by 6 people

  15. trapper says:

    China has been waging economic war against the United States for 40 years. It’s about time we started to return fire. China will implode before the Communists will relinquish any power. Unfortunately, that probably means they will murder tens of millions more Chinese before they are toppled.

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  16. sundance says:

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    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      Winning for America is what would happen…and Communist China would be busy holding onto the edge of the toliet to keep from getting flushed down and out.

      Liked by 8 people

    • Dutchman says:

      The,…extraction of American companies from America to China, the developing of the rust belt, occurred o er many years.
      In addition, as new companies, and even new industries developed, they STARTED in China, right at the outset.

      For all this activity to leave China, in a short period of time? There is simply NOTHING, historically than can be used for comparison.

      However, the closest would be the Great Depression, only on a MUCH LARGER SCALE.

      UNPRECEDENTED

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      • MaineCoon says:

        Depression, yes. Internal, economic collapse, hes. Will it ultimately bring down communism in China?

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        • Dutchman says:

          I think so. As others have said, the CCP isn’t popular, they just ,…purchase support by providing prosperity and stability.
          Say bye bye to prosperity, it takes stability with it.
          You can not make an example of the whole population.
          Any government, even a tyranical dictatorship, needs the cooperation of the populace.
          Oh, they can p and m, around the water cooler, complaining about this and that.
          So long as they get up and go tovwork, and pick up a loaf of bread on the,way home.

          But, if 25-40% of the population STOP being consumers and producers, the machine stops working. Commerce, ultimately is the grease that keeps the gears turning.
          Look at egypt; 17 days. Yes, the people,were in Tahrir square, protesting. But truth is, what brought down the government was NOT that they were in the,square protesting, ..its that they weren’t at work, or shopping.
          17 days, of just staying at home. If 25% of the population does that, EVERYTHING comes to a halt, fairly quickly.
          I really AM a fan of non-violence, you see. Anyone who has experienced violence up close is, unless they are,a psychopath.

          Its an extra bonus for me, PDJT’s method of war; I LOVE it.

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          • Dekester says:

            Cheers Dutchman,

            Your insights are greatly appreciated. It is the snowflakes that will suffer.

            The tenacious and resilient CTH supporters will thrive.

            Many that enjoy this site have endured and flourished after hardship.

            We can improvise or “ make do” and maybe most importantly can think for ourselves.

            Stay safe, and God bless PDJT

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          • MaineCoon says:

            TY Dutchman, I appreciate your thoughts. It is difficult to grasp the real enormity of what is going to happen. I just hope the non-creative Chinese, who steal IP instead of think for themselves, can somehow move forward if communism falls. So many people. Such a big country. It’s mindboggling if their government collapses.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Agree. NOTHING like this has happened before. We can look at USSR, for compare/contrast, with its sattelite occupied countries, it was no where near as big, but still pretty big.

              Probably, it will break up into seperate territories, (speculating), without the strong hand of a central government?
              After all different languages/cultures, not unlike with USSR.

              And the expansionism presumably on hold, ‘freeing’ NK, Taiwan, etc.?
              Beyond that, hard to say.
              The mass psychology effect, of bursting the balloon of this ‘middle kingdom’ belief of destiny to rule the world is the hardest to predict.
              Perhaps something like Germany, post WW2?

              After all, they had that whole 1000 year reich thing ,…

              Interesting times, for sure.

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    • Rynn69 says:

      Therein lies China’s weakness. All eggs in one basket. America must decouple from China. In best interest of both parties.

      Liked by 5 people

    • dufrst says:

      Of course, if Trump gave the order, it would be tied up in our courts by the Chamber of Commerce no doubt!

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  17. Scott says:

    China does not care one bit if ita people suffer. Not one bit. I’m sure they are counting on bought congressmen to have their back.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      And there standing army.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Oh, fer petes sake. Their army is a paper tiger. The thing to look at is they spend more every year on intrrnal security than they do on defence.

        I agree that in ‘humanitarian’ terms, they don’t care if their people suffer, but in terms of their own survival, you better bet they DO care.

        They have retained power, in large part because of the tremendous economic improvements they have brought. If those are all jerked out from under a populace that has become used to meat being the main coarse, they are not going to accept sacrifice so readily.

        If CHINA doesn’t crack down on HK, they look weak. If they do, they look oppressive, which of coarse they are.

        Military conflict with China is an absurd notion, IMHO and I simply have better ways to spend my time than repeating for pearl clutchers all the reasons why.

        This is War, we are IN it, and we need to be IN it, to WIN it. But, it is an ECONOMIC war, and will not, can not lead to a shooting war.

        The only way a bully can function, is thru fear, intimidation and EMPTY threats. Call their bluff, and they back down,…every time. Its guaranteed.

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        • JoeMeek says:

          Pete doesn’t have an army and if China turned its army on its people (responding to: “China does not care one bit if its people suffer. Not one bit”), they wouldn’t think it was paper at all.

          When a government wishes to deprive its citizens of freedom, and reduce them to slavery, it generally makes use of a standing army.
          – Luther Martin, Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention

          A standing army is one of the greatest mischief that can possibly happen. Without standing armies (but with the 2nd Amendment) liberty can never be in danger, nor with large ones safe
          -James Madison

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        • JoeMeek says:

          You seem to have gone way off on some kind of tangent of some kind. I was referring to China’s army being used against any Chinese people who might dare to rise up against the Communist party if their economy starts to tank and the people start to suffer, not against us. BTW, I’m not into pearls.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Sorry, Joe. It did post under you, but wasn’t directed AT you. I regret the confusion, we are in accord. Thing is, as velvet revolution showed, and HK is showing, you CAN suppress dissent, when you can make a brutal show, “make an example” of SOME small segment of your population.
            Thats,what brutal ductatorships Do.
            The ‘example’ gets everyine else in line.
            However, doesn’t work, when 90% of the population stands up. What ya gonna do,…kill them ALL?

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        • bertdilbert says:

          Going to war with you best customer is an absurd idea. They never really thought this one through.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Its not so much that they never thought it through, as they they never thought they would have someone as POTUS, who would stand in opposition to them, and exploit the inherent weakness of their position.
            And we,are in agreement,…absurd and counter productive.
            Sucks to be them.

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    • I Do HOPE that everyone has noticed: NOT ONE SCINTILLA OF A SOUND FROM THE CONGCRITTERS!!!

      Ain’t that some magic OUR President is doing!!!

      And he’s doing while the congcritters are out of the building!!!

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      • GB Bari says:

        Congress is composed mostly of lying political cowards, who lie to get elected, lie to stay in power, and lie to cover their engagement in graft and corruption that consumes most of their time in Washington.

        Very few of them have the courage to stand up and support a policy that the Media has come out against, despite the fact that the policy is good for Americans in the long run.

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  18. dufrst says:

    The worse mistake the ChiComs can do is try to play the war card. If China resorts to military action of any kind, know that the end of their regime is nigh. That would be the clearest signal that they have ran out of economic bullets and are in dire straights. Trump being the strategic genius that he is anticipated all scenarios and built up the US military accordingly. China is blowing their opportunity to suspend this dangerous game for them. History is littered with the carcasses of wannabe superpowers (Japan, Spain, and Germany) and actual superpowers (Soviet Union and Great Britain) that thought they could take us on. They all lost their shirts and China is nowhere near the position that these countries were at their zeniths.

    No, the decoupling of China is beginning. I took note that Trump is meeting with of all people Prime mInister Modi at the G-7. India is not in the G-7. What then is the urgency of this meeting? I believe it’s everything to do with the aforementioned tweet by Trump for all US companies to get out of China and Trump tweeting about the emergency powers he has to compel all US companies to do so. Modi needs to be ready to receive the windfall.

    I have said that the US should completely decouple from China and instead focus on nations like Brazil, India and Indonesia (ASEAN) that are large population, democratic, and don’t harbor allusions of grandeur and global domination as China does.

    If China resorts to the military option by striking Southeast Asia to disrupt supply chains, or strike against Hong Kong or even Taiwan, or launching an attack on Japan and/or South Korea through North Korea, their fate will be sealed. Trump is not playing!

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    • China watched Russia play the Crimean Takeover Card … and WIN.

      Any move to play the Taiwan Takeover Card … will LOSE.

      • Global Investors FLEE from ANY Chinese Relationships – Proactively or via Sanctions.

      • China Trade EVAPORATES – first for massive Exports and then for critical Imports.

      • Hong Kong and Taiwan Economies and Currencies PLUNGE in value.

      • China’s ¥uan CRATERS.

      • Rampant Chinese Bankruptcies trigger a Chinese Banking System DISINTEGRATION.

      • The Unemployed-and-now-Bereft Proletariat SHUTS CHINA DOWN.

      • Nationwide Chaos BALKANIZES China into Feudal Enclaves.

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  19. jackphatz says:

    It would not surprise me that China is waiting out the outcome of the elections.

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    • fangdog says:

      Anyone thinking Trump may not win is absolutely stupid. The only thing stopping Trump winning is the speed of heat.

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      • amjean says:

        I recall when conservatives thought there was no way Obama would win his second term;
        we woke up shocked. Don’t think they won’t invent or create chaos, lie, cheat, and steal the election away from Donald J Trump.

        Also, it might be just me, but I see too many stupid people who hate him and cannot
        even give a reason; I suspect to get on the bandwagon of their peers. I also recall
        my granddaughter’s high school classmates loving Bernie Sanders; albeit, I suspect
        they only loved the slogan, “feel the Bern. Yes, too many stupid people that I hope
        don’t roll out of bed and vote.

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    • Bill says:

      Yup. And once the election is over, expect physical conflict. In one form or another, when they know Trump has four more years they are going to panic. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make NK do something crazy just BEFORE the election just to make it look like Trump has been played by a brutal dictator and put Americans at risk for not treating them with kid gloves like past admins.

      But id be willing to bet Trump has game planned for all types of these maneuvers. God willing he has.

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      • JustScott says:

        I put 30% odds on Kim Jung Il “defecting” and requesting the US coalition forces to mass in NoRK to defend their Tumen River border.

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    • neal s says:

      China may think they can wait till after elections, but they would be foolish. China is like a parasite, and the USA is like the host. The host can live without the parasite. The parasite not so much. PDJT is starving the parasite. Either the parasite will willingly stop draining the host so much, or it will be forced to. Either way, feeding off the USA will be reduced.

      All those things the US presently gets from China, the US can either manufacture here, or get from other sources, or possibly even do without. We don’t need to buy so much crap. For well over a decade I’ve thought the Most Favored Nation trade status of China needed to be rescinded. VSGPDJT is right that he IS the chosen one to protect the USA from the parasite that is China.

      I hope that Xi and others in the CCP realize sooner rather than later, that they cannot win a trade war (or any other) with the USA. And with each passing day, our prayers for the safety of VSGPDJT and his family and all who help him, become more important.

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  20. JoeMeek says:

    This is the most awfullest of awful things that could possibly happen. How will we ever get great drywall, house paint and auto tires ever again?

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  21. daveokc says:

    HOW TO SPOT A KING

    Some think when David fought Goliath that God fixed the match to guarantee a victory for the young shepherd. He didn’t.

    He didn’t need to.

    The young shepherd boy had spent years protecting sheep from predators. By the time he faced Goliath, the young boy had already killed a lion and a bear. (Which angered the older shepherds because young shepherd boys were strictly taught NEVER risk your life for worthless sheep!) But David loved his sheep as if they were his children.

    When the young boy stepped out to confront Goliath all knew – all the Philistines, all the Israelites, all the clever strategists and generals, everyone! – knew the young boy was about to get slaughtered.

    Except God. “Hey, come here and watch this!” He called to the Angels. They gathered and saw the boy with his sling approaching the giant with his sword.

    “Do you wish us to help the young boy?” the Angels asked.

    “No. His name is David. He’s the one I was telling you about. He’s the only one down there who does NOT need my help today today. Sit with me and watch why I love David so much!” The bravery in David’s heart, which he built and grew on his own, from years of battling predators, revealed him to be Israel’s King.

    Today, in Heaven, God has gathered his Angels again, “Come here and watch this!” The Angels have gathered and see an American businessman, with a heart as brave as King David’s, approaching the Globalist Deep State.

    “Do you wish us to help this man?”

    “No. His name is Donald. He’s the one I’ve been telling you about. He’s the only one down there who does NOT need my help today. Sit with me and watch why I love Donald so much!”

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    • norm640 says:

      Comment deleted by Admin…

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    • RedBallExpress says:

      People laugh at a sling. Make one some time. You can easily throw a golf ball size rock 300+ feet with lethal force.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Now darn it! You go posting something like that, at THIS time, it makes the screen on mu,..my phone go alllll swimmmy,. And the ketboards ard to read!
      Thank you, daveokc

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    • neal s says:

      Love that story. It may not be literal truth, but there is certainly some truth there. I guess there are some people who don’t like truth. If it hurts to hear the truth, then perhaps it is time to examine oneself and figure out how to get ones heart right so that the truth no longer hurts.

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    • Bowman says:

      People simply dont understand that David was not a child. If you actually read the Bible the evidence is there that he was a grown man of equivalent strength to Goliath.
      The system the Jews had was that the Father and his sons joined the King to fight but the youngest adult son was left to protect the farm and to keep his family at the Front supplied with food etc.
      The King is stated to be a normal big strong man and expert soldier who was keen to take the Giant on. His advisers pointed out that he was the General and had to stay in control of the Army. He was pissed off but could see the point. David then arrived with supplies and said “I,ll have him.” The king offered his own armour to David. Armour is useless unless it fits. The King , an expert , would not have offered it unless David was the same size as him.
      David said ‘I dont need it. I am going to hit him between the eyes with half a brick before he can reach me.” It was like a rifleman executing a man with an axe. David took Goliath,s head and his sword. He took the sword because it was made of iron. The Philistines were the only ones with iron weapons at the time. The Jews had bronze weapons. A sword is a very individual weapon made for the strength of its user. The battle then started and David fought at the kings side all day SWINGING THE GIANTS SWORD and carried it in battle from then on .
      Lets not forget that he had previously , armed with a wooden stick , killed a bear and a lion. It was an execution , not a duel , and David was a big strong man at the time.

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  22. Pa Hermit says:

    There will be no more panda mask! This has become for all the marbles. Dragon vs. Eagle!

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  23. chojun says:

    Don’t forget that China is a classic Communist command economy. Current economic conditions in China are a result of carefully planned, top-down economics. They have very little ability to compensate for changing economic conditions. Everything they are now is based on strategy built on 30 years of United States economic status-quo.

    Someone (thread below) suggested astutely that China is in a position where every action that they take hurts them. Every action that Donald Trump takes, hurts them.

    Trump is engaging China asymmetrically. There is no way that China can confront the US whilst maintaining their carefully balanced status-quo economy. The only way that China wins this battle (which after every action they take, becomes closer to an existential threat to the Communist party) is if Trump is removed from office after 2020.

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  24. CNN_sucks says:

    PDJT is looking and ready for a long haul. Sending all the jobs to China is unsustainable. If we allow them do that by the time they are done, we are all learning mandarin.

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  25. DJT2020 says:

    To the end you say? So be it!

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  26. jus wundrin says:

    This reminds me of Reagan vs the USSR.

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  27. Blind no Longer says:

    For people here that are much more knowledgeable than me, will North Korea now go full blown batsh*t crazy, launching every thing they can find that has a fuse?

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    • Tim says:

      North Korea will not go crazy. Part of South Koreas defence planning is to 1 destroy the homes of all the North Korean generals and 2 make sure the North Korean generals KNOW about this plan to kill all their familys. Its mutually assured destruction on a smaller scale. war planning is nasty.

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      • ann says:

        gracious sakes, Indeed. . 👀‼️.
        I was not trained to think it through so coolly, but am grateful we have people who have this capability.
        🇺🇸🙋🏼‍♀️

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    • yearningabstractly says:

      Why would they do that?

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    • neal s says:

      China controls NK. The USA is of no use to China if the USA is destroyed economically. US forces are adequately decentralized that any nuclear attack can be overwhelmingly countered. The only ‘victory’ over the US would be a Pyrrhic one. Anything that NK could do that would actually harm the USA would also render us no longer suitable as a host for the Chinese parasite to feed on.

      Even if China could ‘win’ a war with the USA, China would still lose in the long run. It would be as if your neighbor had been raiding your pantry regularly for years. You have been overlooking this to keep some peace. You lose your patience and take steps to stop your neighbor from raiding your pantry any longer. If your neighbor kills you or destroys your house, either way that pantry of yours will no longer be stocked and unless your neighbor has another source of food, they will starve.

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  28. Perot Conservative says:

    What could China do next?

    1. Work w/ Democrats to elect Biden
    2. Push more fentanyl into the US
    3. Stop buy US Treasuries
    3. Sell $1.5 Trillion in US Treasuries

    Prepare for all.

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    • I understood that by classifying China officially as a currency manipulator, that nullifies their ability to wreak economic havoc via Treasuries. I could be mistaken, but I read this recently from what seems to be someone who knows what they’re talking about.
      The gist of it was – yes they may hold Treasuries, but they cannot (under status as a manipulator) just cash out and walk away. They can use it to purchase, but ONLY to purchase goods from us. $1.5Tril in goods purchased would make a lot of farmers very happy for sure!

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    • dufrst says:

      The Federal Reserve would sterilize any mass Chinese sale of treasuries. Besides, we have our friends in the Middle East and Asia who could absorb the sale with the dollars they have too. I don’t fear that weapons. Besides what will the Chinese do with all of those dollars? I’ve never feared that scenario. Not much of a leverage point, given our reserve currency status.

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  29. emet says:

    Another way that Americans have been victimized by the Chinese for decades is the shipping of foodstuffs not fit for human consumption.
    Typically , samples are taken by FDA for analysis at the time of importation, and the importer is allowed a conditional realease, that is, they can move the product to their premises but cannot sell it until the tests indicate it is safe.
    What often happens is, the importer does not wait, and sells the product knowing it might not meet standards. Then, when the test results confirm the food is unfit to eat, CBP orders redelivery of the product to Customs’ custody for destruction or reexport. However, you (American public) have already eaten it.
    Now, the importer has two choices,1) substitute some other product and redeliver it (worth a try) or2) Pay the penalty for failure to redeliver, which is usually lowered (mitigated) to an amount we might call the cost of doing business .
    The adulteration of imported food from China (and Japan) btw dates to the 1860s, when prussian blue was often added to tea leaves to make them a more pleasing color.

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  30. olddog35 says:

    “China on Saturday said it would continue fighting the trade war with the US ‘until the end’”

    As Carl Spackler once said, “Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-lagunga.”

    It looks like China has that going for them.

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  31. Terry says:

    “President Trump hasn’t been talking about this for three decades only to put limits on his approach; including daring this economic adversary, China, to strike back by nationalizing U.S. private corporate assets.”

    Does anyone know what would happen if they nationalize U.S. companies?

    Seems like war would be next?

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    • emet says:

      Well, I know Mexico did it to us when they nationalized their petroleum industry and formed Pemex. I don’t think much happened.

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    • Clancy says:

      Not necessarily – if these globalist multinational firms defy their President now, they should be prepared to lose their entire China investment. The American people can’t be expected to give the lives of their sons and daughters to defend the interests of such, and I can’t imagine that President Trump would command this. They had better heed the President’s warning to GET OUT NOW.

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      • Vince says:

        It could be that his “order” was legal cover for just such nationalization. We can’t be expected to go to war to protect the assets of people who disobey an order from the president.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Clancy,
        Agreed. PDJT has set this up PERFECTLY.
        Any companies, like GM that ignored all the warnings, after his election and up to today, have no one to blame, but themselves.
        He can say,”I TOLD you so, you Globalist shill! If your not out by now, you have been a WILLING participant in the,exfiltration of wealth, the robbing of our country, and you DESERVE,to lose that billion $ plant you just built!
        You’ll get NO sympathy from me, and it makes NO sense for the US military to go to war, for the likes of YOU!

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    • lfhbrave says:

      They did that once in 1949 when they took over China from the Nationalists (who ran to Taiwan)..

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  32. pyromancer76 says:

    At least the wording is fighting the “trade war” to the end, using “precision instruments.” This does seem to me to give some wiggle room for later negotiations if President Trump continues developing remarkable strength and support into the 2020 election.

    I wish President Trump would use this move by China to get every Chinese student out of the U.S. Many marxist-controlled universities will be greatly impoverished. Also I hope their move provides the opportunity to end China’s inroads into our ports and any other economic entities they have stolen due to our on-the-take politicians. Google, FaceBook,Twitter might also be considered enemies of the U.S. I hope so.

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    • jebg46 says:

      I do wonder how many spaces in our colleges and universities, plus all the businesses using Chinese laborers, would open up for American citizens, especially those misplaced these foreigners. Also our workers who are under employed.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Pyro;
      The only possible negotiations possible with “China”, will be negotiations with the NEW government, that replaces the,CCP.
      IF or when PDJT invokes that emergency power he mentioned yesterday, all SORTS of things become possible, including charges against anyone ,…colluding with China, sanctioning all their banks, and yes, getting all their spies and IP theives the hell OUT of our country.

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  33. CM-TX says:

    Speaking of China… 🤨

    So, where in the US was this shipment heading? More importantly, what exactly were they planning to do with it? This was enough to kill the entire population, & then some. (FYI: Fentanyl is very soluble in water)

    Also Per T_D comments: [This was approx. 50,706 Pounds! In comparison, the largest Fentanyl bust on record at a Port of Entry– 254 Pounds.]

    ^ Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/cv08cu/geotus_right_again_more_than_23000_kilograms_of/?st=jzqfgvkc&sh=196d1757

    | Fentanyl: China’s Secret Weapon to Destabilize America
    An examination of Communist strategy reveals that there is more to Chinese drug trafficking than meets the eye.
    BY ANDREW MIILLER • JULY 30, 2018 |

    https://www.thetrumpet.com/17535-fentanyl-chinas-secret-weapon-to-destabilize-america

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  34. Linda K. says:

    As the old Buddy Holly song says, “You go your way baby and I’ll go mine, Now and forever till the end of time”. Xi just doesn’t understand America. You don’t learn everything through “studying”, copying or stealing. We are done helping China.

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    • Linda Ronstadt’s politics drive me crazy, (still love her music, though…) but I do appreciate her covering Buddy Holly’s music (and Roy Orbison’s, too) so that another generation could appreciate those great singers from the 50’s.

      Thanks for posting this, Enjoyed.

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  35. Martin says:

    “To the end”? No, to the Pain!

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  36. Next we think about what would happen to the USA when U.S. Multinationals pull back IN.

    POTUS just triggered a stampede to create the greatest Industrial Restoration in global history.

    GDP will surge from economic Grand Slam 1.0 for Business:

    • Imports from China plummet, wiping out the amount they SUBTRACT to calculate GDP.

    • Manufacturing in the USA rockets to replace the above imports, ADDING the above amount to GDP.

    • Supporting Supply-and-Services Chains return to the USA, ADDING a MULTIPLE of the above addition from Manufacturing to GDP.

    • Construction of all of the above over the 2-6 year Restoration Cycle ADDS even MORE to GDP.

    Grand Slam 2.0 then kicks in for the Consumer Economy, reducing Government Deficits & Debt:

    • Incomes surge as our Workforce is massively Expanded & Up-Skilled to produce the Restoration.

    • Resulting growth in Consumer Spending accelerates, triggering a Renaissance expansion of all segments of the Retail Sector.

    • Government Spending is SLASHED as all able-bodied Welfare-State Recipients are drawn into the Workforce to fill the void.

    • Government Debt is WIPED OUT by cuts in Spending and massively-higher Tax Receipts

    Then POTUS hits Grand Slam 3.0 to Fund Future Prosperity through Sustainable Wage-Investment-Dividend Growth:

    • Waves of Reciprocal Bilateral Trade Deals that cut Tariff Outflows & surge Exports to spike GDP.

    • Elimination of Income Siphoned through forced Foreign Ownership for access to their markets.

    • Restoration of Market Share and Premium Pricing Power from ending IP Theft.

    • Waves of Tax Cuts to maintain the world’s lowest Corporate, Individual & Capital-Gains Tax Rates … at Federal then State then Local levels.

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  37. boogywstew says:

    What is an “electorate thrust”? If there’s a “decades long hidden alliance between China and Russia, how did you find out?
    Why do you poke your finger through the toilet paper?

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  38. JoeMeek says:

    Are you already living in China? If not, then perhaps, feeling as you do, you might want to move there.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      The above was in response to a comment (by Norm?) that seems to have disappeared.

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      • boogywstew says:

        Ad Min nuked it!

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      • Dutchman says:

        Hey, but good job Joe,..
        That you were ‘johnnie on the spot’, or joe on the spot to confront him.

        As we are now in a declared war, I am of a different mind on “don’t feed trolls”, being of the mind of “blow that, slap the shiznit out of them, and send them back to breitbart, fox or whatever discus colon they crawled out of.

        I LOVE intellectual debate, and like bouncing my thoughts of of others, to test their validity. Don’t mind being taken to task by posters like A2 on occasion, as he educates me, and slaps me when I get off coarse.

        But dammit, this is war. No patience with trolls, so again good job Joe, and great catch adrem!

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        • john says:

          Dutchman I fully agree with your war comments. This is WW3. Its a different kind of war, but war nonetheless.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Actually, I count the “cold war” as WW3, making this WW4, ..EACH war is different, hence the warning about “fighting the last war”,..
            Funny, most historians agree WW1 planted the,seeds for WW2, and the end of the cold war, (WW3) planted the seeds for this one (WW4).
            Firstly, yes the engagement with China was part of a strategy to isolate USSR, on the part of the West.
            Also, China saw whar happened to USSR, realised their vulnerability, and took engagement as a counter move, with conquering the West from within as their path to survival.
            So, the wheels on the bus go round and round,…

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  39. vikingmom says:

    So, are there any serious suggestions as to where money should be parked for the next one to two years until all of this blows over?

    We know the left will happily crash the economy in order to reward / punish their benefactors / enemies. They did it in 2008, when Sarah Palin didn’t get the memo that John McCain was just a straw candidate who was not expected to win and they will do it again in 2020 if they think it will cause the defeat of Donald Trump’s re-election bid.

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    • joeknuckles says:

      Cash-flowing real estate.

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      • Dekester says:

        My two cents worth agrees with Joe, and we are holders of three such properties.

        Here in Vancouver B.C. Chinese money has virtually disappeared from our Real Estate market.

        A neighbour “ dumped” a home he owned approx 18 mts ago for $1,500,000 ( Can) today a savvy investor may get $1,000,000 for the same property.

        Many Americans are now once again buying our quality Real Estate

        Maybe Hard to believe, but true.

        Good Luck to everyone.

        Let’s all enjoy the experience of a lifetime.

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    • az says:

      Providing Trump wins – small amounts in MSFT, gold, amazon, AAPL, CVX, autozone,BA,MCD, DE, EOG, 3m, & UNH.

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  40. China has completely dropped all pretenses and fully admitted that they have been and are engaged in an economic war with us. The difference now is that our President is willing to fight instead of surrendering.

    The Chinese, for decades, have purchased our politicians and our politicians, in turn, have sold us out. The bullying tactics we see now are that same that have worked in the past. First it was stall and drag it out. Then they reneged and tried to “meet us halfway”. Then they devalued their currency and complained that it was all our fault.

    The Chinese don’t know anything but what has worked before. Why should they? It’s always been successful. This time is different and they don’t have any idea what to do.

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  41. iswhatitis says:

    We’re living out the paradox: What happens when an unstoppable force (President Trump) meets an immovable object (China)?

    Previously “we” (the West) let the “immovable object” prevail. Time for that to end – time for fair trade not “you piggybank us” trade.

    ***

    Interestingly, I find on Wiki that there is a Chinese correlation to that paradox – the “shield and spear paradox” (origin of the Chinese word for contradiction):

    From Wiki:

    An example of this paradox in western thought can be found in the origin of the Chinese word for contradiction (Chinese: 矛盾; pinyin: máodùn; literally: ‘spear-shield’). This term originates from a story in the 3rd century BC philosophical book Han Feizi. In the story, a man was trying to sell a spear and a shield. When asked how good his spear was, he said that his spear could pierce any shield. Then, when asked how good his shield was, he said that it could defend from all spear attacks. Then one person asked him what would happen if he were to take his spear to strike his shield; the seller could not answer. This led to the idiom of “zìxīang máodùn” (自相矛盾, “from each-other spear shield”), or “self-contradictory”.

    Wiki-appropriate citation: [ Irresistible force paradox, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irresistible_force_paradox&oldid=897071090 ]

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    • Esperanza says:

      Well how about when the British sailed up the Pearl river and the Chinese canons were bolted to the ground FACING THE CHINESE and they had to send someone to the capital days away to unbolt them?

      Or the Maginot Line where the Germans just flew over.
      ?

      Or Jericho built of mud and the trumpets just tumbled it down…..

      The Three Little Pigs. … House of straw, house of bricks.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Read an article in AmericanThinker recently by a former University professor. She was describing how her student was pounding her fists on the desk, screaming “But there ARE NO absolute truths!”, and simply couldn’t grasp the paradox, when the Professir tried to point it out.
      The students responce was to pound harder, and scream louder “But there ARE NO absolute truths!”

      The only way China declaring this makes sense, is their hopevthat it will tank the stock market.

      China minions in the U.S. media will no doubt play this up, perhaps even suggesting a shooting war with China if PDJT doesn’t ‘come to his senses’, maybe Dems will try to use this as an excuse for impeachment?

      PDJT will simply make his case to the American people, and it will be clear the American people have reached,…
      “A time for choosing”, which was the title of the greatest political speech ever given, before the escalator ride.

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  42. snowfalling says:

    Let storm be more powerful and our support to PDJT be stronger. We have much better understanding on that freedom is not free than anyone else.

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  43. joeknuckles says:

    I still don’t know why we ever even opened trade up with China. They are culturally incapable of fair dealing. I’ve had Chinese people tell me that. Then there’s the slave labor, the reeducation camps and other human rights abuses. I’m also not a fan of their whole “plan to take over the world” thing either.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      We originally got friendly with China, even courting them, to pull them away from the old USSR.

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    • Uncle Max says:

      To try and keep from going to war with them again. It was thought that it was better to intermingle and understand them, and open up some bridges as opposed to what could go wrong it we did not. During the cold war, this was a big deal by Nixon. All was good until Clinton/Gore went for the money and did the real damage. Just like the Rosensteins giving the nukes to the USSR, Clinton/Gore opening up computer and aviation and missile technology and WTO to China in the late 90’s was not in the US best interest.

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    • Michael Kunz says:

      The whole take over the world thing came from Chinese propaganda in the 19th Century.Britain had just won the first opium war, with ease.The Chinese people were fed up of being pushed around, the Madarin (ruling) class came up with a myth, that China, was the middle kingom, half way between heaven and earth, this promulgated the idea that China, with patience, being closer to heaven that any other race, would end up owning the world.Most Chinese I’ve spoken to in several years in both Hong Kong, and China, believe this to be true.

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      • ann says:

        And peaceful prosperity is the gauge by which each dynasty is judged as ruling by heavenly mandate ,

        Doesn’t leave much space for our worldview of self representative governance, inalienable individual rights or free will.

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    • lfhbrave says:

      After the cold war, the globalists used China to steal $$$ from American middle class where the biggest wealth of the world could be found after the cold war.

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  44. Gary Lacey says:

    It may take a while to wean the Chinese off the Chamber of Commerce tit, The Chinese mind set, is such, that they are unwilling to ink a fair trade deal, speaks volumes about the Chinese

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  45. The Devilbat says:

    To quote Sundance’s 100% accurate statement, “China has no cultural or political space between peace and war; they are a historic nation based on two points of polarity. They see peace and war as coexisting with each other.”

    So true. The problem is that the Red Dragon is a nuclear power who just landed a spacecraft on the far side of the moon. They are no longer a third world country.
    https://www.space.com/42883-china-first-landing-moon-far-side.html

    Meanwhile, due to the communist usurper Obama and our all so crooked politicians as well as the embedded communists throughout our government, the US has been having to pay Russia to launch our satellites because we could not launch them ourselves.

    NASA had become a Muslim welcome group under Obama (He needs to be arrested).

    This article is from only last year on February 01 2018. It made me sick to read it.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/02/01/russia-sucessfully-launches-4-us-satellites-into-space-a60353

    China may well decide to go to war with us and I don’t mean a trade war. Their military is huge and capable of causing immense damage to the United States. We would have a very hard time fighting them. This especially as China manufactures the majority of all our products.

    I myself love our president. I just hope and pray that our military has been made strong enough after eight years of that scumbag Obama and his tranny wife. God Bless America.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      How big is the Chinese Navy? – snip – By tonnage, the US fleet comes in at about three million tons, whilst that of China is just about three hundred and fifty thousand tons with a much lower average tonnage per vessel. ]

      Can the Chinese Navy defeat the US Navy? – snip – The short answer is no, but, they are expecting to build a carrier fleet to rival the U.S. Navy, within the next 10-20 years, so, yes, eventually, the Chinese government wants to be able to defeat the U.S. Navy on the open ocean.

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  46. Leon0112 says:

    Hypothesis: If the Chinese kill a significant number of Hong Kong protesters, it will help re-elect Trump. If that is true and the Chinese want the Democrat nominee to win, the Chinese are in a tough spot.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Leon,
      The CCP are in about 15 tough spots. There are no good options, and not even any least bad options.

      Yes, as a tyranical dictatorship, the MUST ‘make an example’of HK protesters, in order to send a clear message to any who may contemplate dissent. Its the dictatorship way.

      On the other hand, they CAN NOT violently crack down on the protesters.
      They lose ANY international support in their trade war, its a P.R. nightmare, and it makes PDJT stronger.

      Their economy is a put up job, a house of cards about to het knocked over by a tsunami, and well,..sucks to be them!

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  47. fred5678 says:

    After you comment here, send a note of support:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

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  48. TPW says:

    President Trump is like a leader with the strength of bygone leaders. He is almost like someone who was transported from earlier decades. He has a depth of patriotism not felt in a long time.. but yet feels so familiar.

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  49. They don’t know who they are messing with. http://a.co/hyH0DTs

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  50. oldersoul says:

    “To the end” may very well include the end of the Chinese Communist Party. All the downside risk is on the Chinese in this struggle. The US is a self-sustaining economy. China is not, and is more vulnerable than the Soviet economy was in some respects.

    China is already getting the worst of it, and PDJT is just getting started.

    The mainland is an oppressed society, coerced and corralled by fear and surveillance. A sustained economic downturn will quickly re-seed regime opposition. Tiananmen still bubbles just below the surface. Brute force may not work in 2019 as it did in 1989.

    Hong Kong’s significance as a canary in the coal mine increases by the day.

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    • Esperanza says:

      Also, the pay off to the Chinese people for Tien An Men was prosperity. If that goes…

      Dictatorships use stability and prosperity to survive, when that goes, they fall.

      I call the EU the “Dictablanda” the soft dictatorship which is how the Spanish characterised late Franco. It is falling because Europeans are being impoverished by it. I often wonder if Macron and his ilk ever come to France, the state of France breaks your heart. They are killing us out here.

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