Judge Denies Bail in Epstein Sex Trafficking Case – Full pdf Below…

“Starting with my conclusions, the government’s application for continued remand is hereby granted and the defense’s application for pretrial release is respectfully hereby denied.”  That’s how Manhattan federal Judge Richard Berman began to explain his ruling (full pdf below).

Judge Berman continued: “the government has established danger to others and to the community by clear and convincing evidence, and the government has established a risk of flight by a preponderance of evidence.”  The Judge presented a 37-page ruling outlining the reasons for the denial of bail:

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254 Responses to Judge Denies Bail in Epstein Sex Trafficking Case – Full pdf Below…

  1. Thank you! I’ve been looking for this all afternoon.

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    • chinstrap says:

      Wow…
      That’s huge.

      I can’t believe that Jeffrey wasn’t able to skate again or be put under ‘massage-therapy house arrest’.

      Someone must have given the judge a *real* compelling reason to deny bail.

      Looks like Jeffrey’s starting to run out of ‘friends in low places’.

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  2. Slowkid says:

    Take every little victory.

    Liked by 14 people

  3. alligatriot says:

    Pssst, hey, Jeffie. Say hello to all your new little friends …..

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  4. TarsTarkas says:

    Good!

    Liked by 4 people

  5. Arrest Soros says:

    37 pages to say NO.

    You are alleged to have commited serious crimes.
    You are a rich basterd with access to planes.
    You may run to escape life long incarceration.
    No, you may not have bail.

    Done. No need for 37 pages of bluster.
    Sometimes I think these judges write this crap as resume fillers for future appointments.

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  6. thedoc00 says:

    Glad the legal system did the right thing in this case, yet consider this very same legal system has no qualms about protecting equally (if not more evil) MS-13 and Islamic Terrorists as they enter the country illegally or commit crimes yet cannot be deported.

    Odd this has not been mentioned by the MSM??

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    • Super Elite says:

      Odd? You say “odd” considering who the MSM is?

      Liked by 3 people

    • Robert Smith says:

      Sanctuary Cities just outright release illegal alien criminals in many cases.

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    • underwhelmingposter says:

      Can anyone answer this question? Is this ALL resulting from re-opening of the Florida case? If so, and he has not done anything illegal in 14 years, then why the denial of bail? Please help.
      Is is that once they raided his mansion in NY, they found money, diamonds and pictures of girls that looked young? If I was lucky enough to have money and diamond, they would not be laying on my dresser. The pictures are troubling. So, what was the “predicate” to conduct the raid? The issue seems more to throw shade at PDJT than the Clintons. And one last time, if he has not done anything illegally for 14 years, why this now?

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      • sdharms says:

        could it be a result of the NXIM convictions?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        They DID NOT reopen the Florida case.
        This is a new one.
        This is a federal as opposed to a state case filed out of NY.

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        • JTR says:

          I believe one of the reasons for not giving him bail, was what they found at his residence, lots of cash, diamonds and a foreign passport. There’s no telling what they didn’t find.

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      • We the people know says:

        The predicate for the arrest and raid was either forced on Federal prosecutors to cover their asses in advance of the document release or a planned step 1 & step 2 strategy to finally put Epstein away.

        US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release of approximately 2,000 pages of documents, likely over the next several days, which may reveal sex crimes committed by “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders,” according to the court’s three-judge panel.

        That they’ve only got 2 charges against Epstein is oddly reminiscent of the 2 charges in Florida so many years ago.

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      • Helen Loughman says:

        Watch George Webb to find out what he really has been doing. Nothing is what it seems.

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      • “If so, and he has not done anything illegal in 14 years, then why the denial of bail?”

        Here’s a coupla reasons…

        While he was SERVING his 13 month SENTENCE, and was out on work release, he was having sexual relations with young girls (18-20 year old) on an almost DAILY basis. (It’s not known if any of the girls were underage; he was very loosely monitored, but it was reported that there was a constant stream of young women, going up to his office, in the building in which he ‘worked’.)

        During the investigation for his first arrest, he hired PIs to find out which of the young girls might be cooperating with the police; then, either he or his Private Investigators would threaten those girls with anything from embarrassment to death, if they were to testify against him.

        So, Epstein’s an unrepentant pedophile who’s a flight risk, and has a history of threatening witnesses in legal actions that involve him. That’d be enough for me to decide to deny him bail.

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        • Mary Hysmith says:

          Be weary of what you read in the press. The first charges were from the same old case in Florida. The story of his sexual advances when he was out on work release in the first case came after SDNY filed this latest. There were no young girls in those allegations. Just a couple of women who said they were invited to his office and he then made passes at them. In that first case in Florida, Epstein hired one of the top firms in this country. His lawyers included Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr. AG Barr worked for that firm. It is highly unlikely they ran around threatening witnesses. They did have PI’s do background checks on the accusers which may have intimidated those girls, teenagers at the time, likely some with stories they didn’t want told.

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      • Mary Hysmith says:

        SDNY refilled the Florida case, claiming they did not have to honor the Non-Prosecuting Agreement made then when Epstein pled to prostitution charges. By virtue of that indictment, they then got a search warrant and yelled, hey we have new evidence. Going public bought attention and they claim they have new victims. Expect his attorneys to be arguing double jeopardy and the legalities of what they have done. I can appreciate everyone wanting Epstein properly held accountable, but I have concerns over what they have done. I remind people that SDNY filed on Manafort after his other charges had been adjudicated for the same offenses. They then tried to move Manafort to Rikker’s but I think they lost that.

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        • We the people know says:

          You’re right Mary…it’s a little screwy:

          The indictment unsealed today alleges that, between 2002 through 2005, EPSTEIN sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls by enticing them to engage in sex acts with him in exchange for money. Epstein allegedly worked with several employees and associates to ensure that he had a steady supply of minor victims to abuse, and paid several of those victims themselves to recruit other underage girls to engage in similar sex acts for money. He committed these offenses in locations including New York, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida.

          https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors

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      • Tparty says:

        Brif explanation of the origin and handlers of Epstein.

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  7. L4grasshopper says:

    Why did it take 37 pages to announce such a common sense ruling?

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    • Fools Gold says:

      Can’t wait to hear a similar ruling for those behind the witch…sorry I’m know I’m off topic. Jeffery the perv needs some special treatment….

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    • Clearly the judge doesn’t want Epstein’s lawyers to find a loophole that will get him out. This is to cover all the bases.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Easy.
      Comprehensive record as protection against future appeals.
      A judge’s CYA.

      Seems especially necessary in this case as it’s high profile defendant who:

      “poses an acute danger to the community ” and a
      ” risk of flight, particularly given the defendant’s exorbitant wealth, his ownership of
      and access to private planes capable of international travel, and his significant international ties.”

      Judges don’t like their rulings overturned on appeals especially when the defendant is like the one described above.

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  8. WSB says:

    Saw this on Fox earlier. Prince Andrew is now being identified as someone who engaged in sex with one of Jeffrey Epstein’s slave girls.

    This is the beginning of the house of cards falling, IMHO.

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    • MM says:

      How long will he be allowed to live?
      I think his days are numbered…

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    • Clintons house of cards ???? if so about the time….

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Vanity Fair reports that as early as the next few days the US court of appeals for the Second Circuit will release 2000 pages of documents. Lot of nervous people out there.

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        • Waymore says:

          The 2nd Circuit “panel” of three judges voted to release the documents, but yesterday attorneys for Maxwell (who allegedly procured the underage girls) appealed to the “full” 2nd Circuit, arguing the documents should remain under seal. Someone was quoted as saying that the full panel rarely overrules the smaller panel; however, you can bet that the Clinton Mafia, Prince Andrews, the “involved” politicians, and other powerful elite people will be exerting enormous pressure on the judges to keep these documents sealed.

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      • underwhelmingposter says:

        Will never happen! Should. But won’t!

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    • MaineCoon says:

      Tony Blair is referenced sporadically also.

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      • Right to reply says:

        Tony Blair’s wealth should be examined VERY closely! Look at how rich he is now

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        • JohninMK says:

          I suspect that was probably much more due to him following TPTB instructions during his time in power. In particular taking the UK into the Iraq war which made fortunes for many, including politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. Other UK politicians, like George Osborne and John Major, have similarly benefited post retirement. This is not post action bribery I don’t know what would be but has probably been the way of the World for a long time..

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      • WSB says:

        Me thinks the list is a long one. Jeffrey is quite a gift to us.

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    • mr.piddles says:

      Well, if Pussy Hat wearin’ Charlie Rose can turn out to be a wanker-waggin’ Dirty Ol’ Perv, then anything’s possible, IMO. I think there’s bound to be a lot of names to come out… probably mostly rich and very powerful, less movies stars and whatnot. Who knows. These people live on a different plane than the rest of us Human Bilge. At least, in their collective mind they do. Hence Jeffrey Epstein and his Lolita Express that everybody knew about but nobody wanted to say anything. Just one of those Dirty Little Open Secrets… like Weinstein on Steroids with a Turbo Shot.

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    • DJ says:

      “Prince Andrew is now being identified as someone who engaged in sex with one of Jeffrey Epstein’s slave girls.”
      ———————————————————————————
      Now? Well, I guess he is being mentioned more often lately, but his name has been out there in this regard for many years. There was even some speculation that the reason Epstein got the “sweetheart” deal 10 years ago was that the Bush administration was trying to shield the Prince at at time when the British were our largest backers in the Iraq war.

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      • MM says:

        Prince Andrew name was mentioned last time Epstein was charged in Florida….

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      • underwhelmingposter says:

        Interesting observation. Weinstein has already had some of the cases against him thrown out. If the victims do not testify, the case dissolves. These case rely on the credible testimony of the victims (and witnesses which they are trying to find, give immunity to, even if they actively participated). Once the victims and the turncoat partygoers have their collective say, then the Feds can hang Epstein!
        Of course, subject to my above previous posts.

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      • WSB says:

        Yes, the msm can no longer keep the lid on the jar.

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    • luke says:

      I think this guy was probably a political hack to lure sicko politicians, foreign dignitaries, and anyone with power into an offer they could not refuse…..now you own them.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        The big question is who owns Epstein?

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        • Julia Adams says:

          Since the Epstein arrest story broke, I asked myself a similar question several times. It’s quite possible he was a useful tool…a FBI asset…used to blackmail wealthy businessmen, politicians and celebrities. The reason I say that is the actual source(s) of his wealth is not really known or understood. No Wall Street investment banks recall JE as a counter-party in trading activity. If JE was running a hedge fund, the Street would know of him due to the size and frequency of his trades. His bank accounts are allegedly held offshore.

          Quite possible his arrest was a calculated need to bring him in—shut his federally funded blackmail operation down. Quick trial, quick verdict, little information gets disclosed, public led to believe Feds did their job the second time around, JE is not to be heard from again. Elites are protected.

          Wouldn’t that be…rich?

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      • WSB says:

        Such a blatant plan…and everyone fell for it.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      WSB
      Check out this one from Vanity Fair..
      https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque?

      This doesn’t appear like the normal leaked narrative manipulation…..
      this seems like people fumbling in the dark, not knowing.

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      • dawg says:

        I agree 100%. Thats what Ive been noticing the last couple of weeks too. I think that the Clintons and everyone else involved was not prepared for any of this and this is not their doing.

        Sure, they are going to try to spin it and magnify every possible connection that PT ever had to Epstein in defense. But I dont think they would have brought this up on their own.

        The response just seems to unorganized, ineffective . I mean, that article BARELY makes mention of BILL Clinton. Bill CLINTON! Whose name was ON the Lolita Express flight logs dozens of times! I mean talk about “Elephant in the Room”. And of course when they did mention it, they had to throw Pres Trump’s name in there as well.

        It just seems obviously weak to me.

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      • WSB says:

        Tangled mess, no? Everyone running for the exits!

        Well, little Virginia is getting justice.

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    • convert says:

      kind throws an interesting angle to the Brits involvement in the “insurance policy” doesn’t it?? As the Laugh-in folks used to say, “vewwy Interwesting”.

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  9. H.R. says:

    The only surprise to me is that it took the Judge 37 pages. Just based on the “preponderance of evidence of flight risk’ the Judge was well within his purview to deny bail.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Why?
      Judge needs a comprehensive record as protection for future appeals.
      Especially in a high profile case against a defendant with “exorbitant wealth” and influence.

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  10. starfcker says:

    He’s going to be a lot tougher to Arkancide sitting in a jail cell. A lot of very nervous people are upset about this I would bet. So sorry.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Tell that to Whitey Bulger. I am sure he will be reassured,….

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      • Katherine McCoun says:

        Wow, exactly my line of thinking in front of me in the comments section. I thought, well, maybe he is safer there than out and then Bulger came to my mind (I remember how predictable that situation was and then when it came true…nothing, crickets)

        I am concerned for him so that there is a reason to have the trial so that all of the evidence can come out – whether he talks or not, LOTS of evidence already associated with him.

        I am equally concerned about the evidence itself. I hope it is safe from getting “lost”, stolen or tampered with.

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        • dallasdan says:

          The SDNY is handling it, aka AG Barr. IMO, he withdrew his prior recusal to interject himself into this case, for the wrong reasons. I may be completely mistaken.

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        • Dutchman says:

          As for the evidence, they will keep it SAFE and SECURE. Right next to the weiner and awan laptops, and one shelf down from Hillarys 30,000 emails,….

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        • underwhelmingposter says:

          We cannot assume that the Fed’s reasoning for pursuing this is honorable. We now know that it is not the FBHI, (Federal Bureau of Honorable Investigations), it is the FBI, plain and simple. And we all know about that!!

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      • Rhoda R says:

        Was Bulger in solitary? I’d think that adds a measure of protection.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Didn’t help him. He was transferred, and left in unsecured area. Looked like a hit.

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          • underwhelmingposter says:

            No doubt! And it was probably known by Admin, of course with “plausible deniability”.

            Jeffery Dahmer was mopping a floor with no security guards around, or at least their heads were pointing in a different direction so they did not see anything!

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            • Dutchman says:

              Its amazing what you can do with a sharpened tooth brush, and how FAST it can be done.

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              • anthonydog says:

                Helen Loughman,
                George Webb has CIA connections and is close to Obama and Clinton – and like Jason Goodman, Webb is an agent of disinformation.

                He twists the truth and mixes truth with lies. Trust nothing from George Webb. He is part of the war on for your mind.

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                • Mary Hysmith says:

                  I take guys like Webb with a grain of salt, but listening to him this morning, his claim that Epstein was an agent makes sense, and certainly a blackmail operation of people in high places fits also. So far, no one can figure for sure how Epstein made his money. He was always giving it away, paying for all those parties. He certainly seems to have been the socialite. It would be easier I think to figure out who did not have association with him. They found a fake passport in his house and a chunk of cash. And of course, his own private island in the Caribbean. One of the victims says there were cameras everywhere, filming the other guys having sex with minors. His was not a normal lifestyle, for sure.

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    • Stress has been known to cause heart attacks…

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    • MaineCoon says:

      It’s hard to decide where he’ll be safer – in or out of jail.

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  11. geoffcsaltine says:

    So, now if he does not get off on double jeopardy,we might see more people in his circle of pervs go to jail.
    However, these are Federal charges. All Federal courts are under the same rules. Florida Federal courts have the same weight as NYSD and they are bound by the same rules. He can not be charged twice on the same charges in Federal court.
    They need new victims to come forward,or he walks.

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    • Dutchman says:

      I thought that theory had already been discounted. Admittedly I didn’t follow the details,..

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      • Seriously Dutchman ? 😉
        If they want you they will get you. Law really doesn’t matter.
        Paul Manafort is in solitary why exactly?
        This guy is now a loose cannon and loose cannons can capsize ships.
        Over the side he goes.

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        • Dutchman says:

          McCarthy, I think it is, a nevertrumper lawyer columnist wrote Epstien could beat these new charges, cause of double jeopardy.
          Then someone else refuted that argument.
          Again, I didn’t follow, cause only so much that one can keep up on, ya know?
          Anyway, the current criminal justice system is NOT the one I navigated as a defendant, 30 years ago.
          It was never perfect, but it was, by and large EQUITABLE, and strove to err on letting guilty off, rather than incarcerating the innocent..

          It is corrupted, and is going to take a LOT of work, to repair, if its even possible.

          So yeah, if THEY want this guy to get off, he gets off. If they want to lock him up, hes locked up. And, if they,want to silence him, he’ll get a dirt nap.
          Cause “Thats da way it is,…”

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          • I’ve lost a lot of innocence. Used to anchor out in Christmas Cove had no idea what was going on. Turns out everyone in the USVI knew but me. ;-(

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          • dallasdan says:

            “Then someone else refuted that argument.”

            I recall it was ristvan, and he explained the charges were sufficiently different in NY than in FL, so double jeopardy was not relevant.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Thanks, figures it would be. As I say, was a little distracted, noted double jep doesn’t apply, moved on.

              Memory is either the firstcor last thing to go,…
              But I can’t remember which,…

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              • We the people know says:

                These are NEW accusers/victims.
                Epstein’s non-prosecution agreement does not apply to NEW crimes.

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                • Actually it covers all new crimes, as long as it was before 2008. It doesn’t matter if they find new evidence or additional victims. This guy should fry, but this is definitely double jeopardy. As much as he deserves to be in prison, if the principal of double jeopardy can be ignored for him, it can be ignored for us too.

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            • Mary Hysmith says:

              They are not suppose to take the same offense and call it something different. They also cannot re-charge you because of new evidence. Both are double jeopardy. The Supreme Court has ruled that both the state and the feds can charge you because they are separate sovereigns. On the last opinion, the SC supported this because they did not want to call the state and fed as one sovereign, but there was descent from Ginsberg and Gorsuch. Put yourself in his shoes and think of having to defend yourself twice for the same crime. In Epstein’s case, the SDNY is saying they are a different sovereign than the district there in Miami and do not have to respect that Non-Prosecuting Agreement. Excuse me, they are both the federal government. My concern is state rights and the federal government ever increasing its own powers and authorities. For Epstein, I think the key is what is in the Non-Prosecuting Agreement, and then whether the SC will hear on it and how they will rule. I’ve seen a number of attorneys giving their opinions who have not read it and speak in general.

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      • Mary Hysmith says:

        It’s all in the details. Generally, either the state or the feds prosecute so to avoid double jeopardy. Supreme Court rulings are not that clear, some for and some against. The federal government does not have a crime for age of consent violations. That falls under state laws. Also rape and prostitution are generally considered the domain of the state. For them to get Epstein, they had/have to make a case of sex trafficking. In Florida, the feds did not really have much of a case for that. The state prosecutor took the evidence to a grand jury and got an indictment for prostitution. The federal prosecutor, Acosta, interjected in, raised threats, threw a fit, etc. and got Epstein to plea guilty to prostitution in agreement he would serve two years, be listed as a sex predator, and agree to a ificking. That was to cover everything and every possible victim that may come in later pertaining to a particular period of time. I think it was 2001-2005. I might be off a year or so. New evidence to the same charges would not be justification to retry the same case. The SDNY now claims they do not have to honor that agreement because they are a different district. I am not an attorney but as a citizen, that alarms me. Now after they have filed charges, they are saying they have girls making claims to crimes in New York. If that is the case, the State of New York should be prosecuting, not SDNY. This case has risk of being thrown out by the Supreme Court. If it isn’t thrown out, then remember, a plea deal with the federal government is worthless.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Isn’t there still the Mann act, I think its called? Transporting across state lines for purposes of?
          Surely he must of done that, with his lolita express numerous times?
          If they can get Jerry lee lewis, should be able to get Epstien?

          Anyway, case is not at top of my radar, unless/until it leads to exposure of his,..clients?

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    • WSB says:

      These are new charges, from what I have read.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      The Florida prosecution was at the state level. The SCOTUS has recently ruled that someone can be tried at the state level and later at the Federal level is it isn’t double jeopardy since it isn’t the same crime being tried (ie the state law is different from the Federal law). At least that is my understand of their rationale. From Justice Roberts.

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      • Mary Hysmith says:

        Rhoda. The state had the case as it should have because it started with a parent making a complaint. There was a lot in the press in Florida back then that I found so my opinions are based on that and current press, trying to cipher through the riff raff. The lead cop on the investigation at the time thought he had a good case for 4 girls, but he thought the prosecutor was not pursuing it as he should. So, that cop went to the FBI. So enter the FBI and Acosta who start investigating and trying to make a case for sex trafficking. I think that was a stretch in terms of what Epstein was doing. He was not running a prostitution business. The state prosecutor presents the case to a grand jury who give him an indictment for 1 count of prostitution. (Epstein was paying all those ‘poor little’ girls.) According to Acosta’s version which is supported by Ann Coulter who was closely monitoring it all back at that time, Acosta didn’t have a good case and got alarmed Epstein was going to walk paying only a fine. Acosta intervened in the state case threatening sex trafficking charges. They end up making a plea conditional on Epstein accepting a guilty plea with two years in prison, registration as a Level III sex offender, cooperation with the FBI on other cases, and Epstein will pay settlements and legal fees of 20 girls should they seek compensation. With that, the FBI agreed to a Non-Prosecution Agreement of sex trafficking for any future allegations pertaining to 2002-2005 activities from then complainants or any to come forward later. and immunity was given to Epstein’s employees. So the charges were settled by the state but included this agreement by the federal government.
        The Supreme Court just ruled this summer that both state and federal can prosecute charges since they are distinct sovereignties. Tradition however is that only one prosecutes. And to SC rulings, there is still grey area in there. More importantly, this is a situation where the Southern District of New York is saying they can prosecute because they are a different district of the DOJ than the one in Florida. So they filed on that case prosecuted and resolved by the State of Florida back in 2008 with that non-prosecution agreement. Excuse me? And yes Epstein’s lawyers are already objecting to this.
        After filing the indictment, the SDNY then got a search warrant for Epstein’s home in New York. Then they went to the press and started asking victims to come forward. They now claim they have new evidence from that search that can support their charges, and they have new victims of acts committed in New York. This is not how our legal system is suppose to work. They cannot search first. This is the fundamental wrong of the Mueller investigation.
        I am just a common people, southern by very long heritage which includes a man’s word being the ultimate legal and binding point, and I am forever a believer in strong states rights. That is to say, when you make an agreement, you hold to it. And second, here the feds go again violating states rights. So, the SDNY had no right to file charges and their search warrant was in reality, a general warrant and illegal. If new victims come in and request charges for crimes committed against them in New York and they are willing to testify in court, then the STATE of New York has every right to investigate and file charges against Epstein. The feds do not.
        So none of the legal stuff has set right with me and it has caught my attention. As I have explored it, I don’t think this is a story of a pedophile. There is something else going on.

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    • underwhelmingposter says:

      My thoughts exactly. I am NOT supporting Epstein, but if he had a legal plea accepted and has adhered to ALL the terms of the plea, then what is going on here!

      Is it to throw shade at PDJT? We all know it is NOT to get at the Clintons. Otherwise it would be the FBHI (Federal Bureau of Honorable Investigations) which it isn’t.

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      • Mike Dennis says:

        “Is it to throw shade at PDJT?” I think you are close. There is simply no way in hell the SDNY is doing this to get Epstein/Bill. Nope, they know someone was on that island that they can leverage against Barr on Russiagate — foreign dignitary/royalty/Republican leader etc. desperate times here.

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        • Mary Hysmith says:

          It is either to get PDJT or PDJT is doing payback. An earlier post suggested to listening to George Webb. So I am. I don’t know the answer but there is more to this story. Two things. One is in the Non-Prosecuting Agreement made back in Florida. Epstein committed to cooperate with the FBI on other issues. Organized crime? Second is the victim Virginia Roberts. In her stories, she says Epstein had cameras everywhere. When she slept with someone, it was important to get a good recording. Blackmailing?

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      • Mary Hysmith says:

        Maybe it is to get PDJT, or maybe it is PDJT out to get the Clintons and others. Maybe it is just fate setting the record right. I’m not sure. To get the Clintons, they need witnesses, victims willing to testify.

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        • dallasdan says:

          Perhaps the most timely and relevant summary of the proceedings is to say it is too soon to declare anything with surety, because we don’t know what we don’t know.

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  12. Trump Train says:

    Wow, a judge not on the blackmail list?

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  13. flatlandgoober says:

    I bet he’s despondent enough to bludgeon, hang, and then shoot himself. Several times.

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  14. alliwantissometruth says:

    In other news, ex-President Bill Clinton was seen baking a cake with metal files inside, and asking what cell Mr. Epstein was in

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    • Last I heard he is vacationing in the DR.

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    • mopar2016 says:

      I think that judge Berman was appointed by Bill Clinton.
      I’m glad that he made the right ruling.

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      • Kristin DeBacco says:

        Mopar: After he saw what happened to Secretary Acosta. There is no way any judge is going to be lenient!!

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        • CM-TX says:

          I hear Acosta when asked if this case would present a later problem for the admin, if appointed… he said: No. He was ordered by higher-ups to leave it alone– b/c the guy (Epstein) was way above his pay-grade, & an intel asset. 🤨

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          • tampafan says:

            Charlie Crist, was Florida Attorney General at that time. Did the state AG play any role in the FL case?

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            • Mary Hysmith says:

              I saw an interview on Fox with Pam Bondi over the recent case. She said these cases are extremely hard to prosecute. She could believe the prosecutor taking what he had to the grand jury and they giving him just an indictment for prostitution. She said it was the judge who dropped his jail sentence (for prostitution) from 2 years to 13 months. It was the jailing system that gave Epstein a work release program. Acosta stated that most of the victims did not want to testify, he didn’t have a good case. Those that did were going to be shredded in court. One had had an abortion which would be thrown her face. Some were not good witnesses. If you listen more closely to the victims testimony, those teenagers were going over to Epstein’s house for money, being abused but going back for more money and bringing their friends so to get even more money. Yes they were legally ‘children’, but in my book, teenagers who knew durn well what they were doing was not right. One, note one, told their parent which is what opened the case to legal authorities. Now most sued and got even more money. I don’t mean to attack the ‘children’ but good lawyers are going to rip this up unless the SDNY comes up with much better evidence and turns it over to the State of New York for prosecution, if it is not too late for that.

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      • Stickboy says:

        “I think that judge Berman was appointed by Bill Clinton.
        I’m glad that he made the right ruling.”
        _________________________________________________________________

        A Bill Clinton appointed Judge, presiding over a case which obviously, at some point, will involve and possibly destroy his benefactor Bill Clinton…….nope, color me skeptical.

        Do they make Judges who actually follow the law as opposed to following the crowd?

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        • underwhelmingposter says:

          Absolutely agree with this. On the other hand, if Epstein will keep quiet, then the Judge can be tough, understanding the Clinton’s are safe. But the above concerns resonate strongly.
          IMO, Acosta was speaking truthfully about being “instructed” as to how to handle the case, but once again when $hit hits the fan, the only one in the wind stream was Acosta. Sad.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      It wasn’t metal files…..

      It was a plane.

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  15. Suzanne says:

    Earlier today I read somewhere (can’t find it now) that there will be a document drop of around 2,000 pages shortly. Apparently it contains LOTS of names and referred specifically to members of congress, prime ministers, past presidents and the like. Time to buy some more popcorn!

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    • Suzanne says:

      Oh I remembered… it’s over at Red State! Head on over… it’s an amusing read.

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    • Not to be Eeyore but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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      • Stickboy says:

        “Not to be Eeyore but I’ll believe it when I see it.”

        I’m in the same boat, there’s been far too many letdowns from the Justice system. When I see a list of names, big names, not just some ordinary pedo…..then I’ll believe there’s some chance.

        I still think it’s all a game to get Trump though.

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    • they may find plenty new evidence in his penthouse (black out) or on his -love nest- island….

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      • JimInNH says:

        Hmmm. Do you think that the NYC power outage last Sunday night was staged?
        Kind of odd that it was on the anniversary of the former 1977 one… And it lasted for only 4 hours.
        I read that it covered pretty much a square from 5th Ave (East), and from the west 40s north up to 72nd street.
        Now that Jeffrey Epstein townhouse/mansion exists at 9 E 71st St, New York, which is really about half-a-block from that power grid locale.
        I wonder if SDNY (or someone) needed to surreptitiously cut power to that building.
        Perhaps time-locked safes that needed opening? Or documents someone wanted?
        Any thoughts?

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        • John Bosley says:

          From Die Hard .
          Master safe cracker says to Hans “We need a Christmas Miracle to break the last lock “.
          Hans says ” I give you the FBI “.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      I’ll believe it when I see it. If for no other reason that such a document drop would screw up the Government’s case by tainting the jury.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      “Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents that could reveal sexual abuse by “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders,” according to the three-judge panel’s ruling. The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell.”

      VANITY FAIR
      https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque?

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      • CNN_sucks says:

        Oh, they are going to blocked out the names of these “important” pedos. We have two tiered justice system and we are not on it.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Vanity Fair (see link below)
      Left wing media is reporting this as well.

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  16. Southern Girl says:

    Excuse me. God is not mocked. This man gonna have to pay. His time is up. You live ugly and you pay ugly.
    Truth.

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    • Super Elite says:

      Sometimes it isn’t the legal system that gets them. Some of these criminal-types have died awful deaths from health problems. Think King Herod. Herod died a horrible death according to historians. I think it may reference Herod’s horrible death in the Bible too.

      But in all fairness, what about serial killers?

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  17. jakeandcrew says:

    Two of his victims were able to speak at his bail hearing. It was unexpected according to one of their lawyers, but they did it, with Epstein about four feet away from them. It’s the first time any of his victims have been able to face him in a courtroom, and tell a (small) part of what he did to them.

    Judge Berman mentions it in his ruling.

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  18. Stickboy says:

    I’m not buying into this deal being what it seems. With Epstein’s connections, there is no way he didn’t know he was gonna be arrested when he got off his jet. He probably knew the name of every agent waiting for him…….someone would have tipped him off.

    I’ve yet to see pics of him being hauled off in handcuffs, seen really nothing concerning his arrest…….something just smells off on this. I have to wonder if he’s really suffering in his tiny cell, or living it up in some high class “jail”.

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    • InAz says:

      Agree. The Commies made sure Roger Stone was on live television when he was arrested.
      When Epstein was arrested his media friends, all Communist Comrades, did not want the arrest shown.
      Epstein is very good friends with the Communist media presstitutes.

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    • JohninMK says:

      He might have believed that, given the info he held, that he was safe and just wanted to get it all overwith. We will see if he was right or if the confidence was misplaced..

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  19. emet says:

    I wonder how the judge would have determined a bail amount had he decided to grant it. I have not seen a believable analysis of where Epstein gets his money. And without knowing the source, how can the court determine what is available to him?

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  20. Jerry Joe says:

    Similar charges – involving minors – brought against R. Kelly in federal court. He was denied bail last week. Notwithstanding differences between the two cases, letting JE out on bail could easily present, for the media, an appearance of disparate treatment. Not questioning the decisions, just noting the potential appearances had one been allowed to bond out.

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  21. TreeClimber says:

    Well that’s a lot more civil than I would’ve been. I was thinking more along the lines of “You’re a sorry son of a bitch and if I had my way you’d never see sunlight again.”

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  22. GB Bari says:

    One more step in the right direction.
    Arrest.
    Denial of bail.

    But No way could I predict anything more.
    We’ve seen far too many high profile crooks walk recently.
    So this case will have to simply be watched.
    Could get interesting.

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  23. ristvan says:

    Lurking Lawyer here.
    The MSM comments are an example of why the law is not so simple—although it should be.
    Epstein is a classic flight risk, so bail was properly denied.
    His lawyers tried every argument to the contrary, including $100 million bail—nothing if you are worth multiples of that with a G5 personal plane at the ready to escape, along with many cash equivalent diamonds in your safe RTG.

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  24. Chris Ridgeway says:

    Interesting, a passport found in Epstein’s safe had his picture but not in his name!

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    • emet says:

      Could be a photo substitute. Be interesting to see if he was able to use it for admission (admission stamps inside?) . And I would be willing to bet that with his Clinton connections he has a black US diplomatic passport in a different name.

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  25. babrightlight says:

    So the ideal scenario would that Epstein gets in a fight while in jail, and is rushed to hospital. During surgery they implant a tracking device. Judge becomes sympathetic sets bail at $200M cash. Epstein liquidates assets to pay bond. Gets out, skips bail. Forfeits bond. They easily track and arrest him, throw him back in jail with no bond, then use the $200M to prosecute Spygate, FISAgate, and Lolitagate.

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    • mike says:

      Epstein would have a fast foreign registered jet to flee with. Outta sight, way offshore, by the time bounty hunters or Feds blink that the tracker signal is wrong or gone.

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  26. Chris Ridgeway says:

    See here

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    • Rileytrips says:

      Wonder if Creepy Uncle Joe is in there…

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    • Kristin DeBacco says:

      How come they are so fast to release these documents? The prosecutors for sure want these lists to get out….fast. We are waiting years for DOJ documents on the Russia hoax….
      suspicious…?

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      • Stickboy says:

        “How come they are so fast to release these documents? The prosecutors for sure want these lists to get out….fast. We are waiting years for DOJ documents on the Russia hoax….
        suspicious…?”

        ________________________________________________________________________________

        I think it’s suspicious, it seems as if the system is working like it’s supposed to, and that in itself is suspicious. I figure they’re gonna build a huge incriminating case against Epstein, there’ll be no way he can defend himself against it.

        Then, a list of names will be released, all low level and dead people. After a great buildup, they’ll suddenly find incriminating evidence involving Trump, even if it’s circumstantial……..then they’ll very strangely screw up the case against Epstein, letting him walk, but leaving Trump fatally damaged.

        Sure, tin foil hat stuff, but does anyone believe these people wouldn’t give almost anything to get rid of Trump?……at any cost?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell.

        Different case.

        Could be that the new charges in NY were timed to match the release of these documents NOT the other way around.

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        • dawg says:

          I agree. We seem to have the same line of thinking on this.

          Ive been wondering where all this came from. This indictments against Epstein just seemed to come out of left field. What prompted it?

          I think it was exactly this. Dershowitz called Virginia Roberts Giuthrie a liar, and she sued for defamation. Thats about when the DOJ had their “oh shit” moment. Thinking, “this is all gonna come out and Epstein is a free man? That wont look good. Its time to CYA”

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  27. Sentient says:

    The real question is where Epstein got his money – who he works for.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Occam’s Razor says the pizzagate theorists are right. Where did he get his money? Why did law enforcement aid and abet him for so many years? How did he have access to all the rich and powerful? Only thing that answers all 3 questinos

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      • Mary Hysmith says:

        So I went researching who the rich and powerful were who associated with Epstein. So most were democrats but truth of the matter, he got around a lot, even Republicans like Trump. As Bill Clinton described Epstein, he was a philanthropist. Epstein gave money away, lots of it to lots of people and institutions. That is why those young girls went around him. They admit it. Dershowitz defends his meetings with Epstein in that they were about setting up a donation/foundation to Harvard. Yes, Larry Summers. Is money not the root of all evil?

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        • wondering999 says:

          In response I’d say no, money is not the root of all evil. Neither is sex the root of all evil. (Nor is political party the root of all evil. However, absolute power does tend to corrupt — therefore the Founding Fathers attempted to have balance of powers, for our wellbeing)

          More to the point, abuse of power is an indication that power ought to be removed from the abuser (if we don’t want to live in some sort of hellhole, through our own resignation and complicity)

          So we have an obligation to
          (a) first control our own behaviors, to avoid unnecessary levels of corrupt government
          (b) recognize, teach and encourage responsible behaviors and where we are now,
          (C) take back power from those who abuse power and authority in all its different forms

          It’s pretty clear that we have been tolerating very high and obvious corruption, the use of our labor and taxes to fund deeply dishonorable and abhorrent deeds

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    • ParteaGirl says:

      Trafficking and blackmailing is my guess.

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  28. Patriot1783 says:

    So here’s a question…does a pedophile go thru (for lack of a better words) withdrawal symptoms when deprived of its victims? Like an alcoholic without alcohol goes thru DTs? Idk if does but if so I hope he is suffering something fierce.

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    • Patriot1783 says:

      ^^ me, sorry 😪

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    • We the people know says:

      He’s pleasuring himself like a monkey in a zoo. Is there a surveillance camera in his cell?

      I want to mention that most people talk about the Lolita Express (flight logs) and forget about his helicopter and boats. I bet plenty (most) of the girls and guests on Little St. James were ferried on and off the island with no records whatsoever.

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      • Rob says:

        Why is everyone leaving out the island? Why no raid to recover evidence of who visited and what they were doing there? Is it off limits to investigators? Why?

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        • John Bosley says:

          From what I have heard , all unproven, is that this last year he has been busy filling the tunnels in and scrubbing that island clean of evidence.
          BTW, he does have another private island .
          Perhaps something might be on that one, or could be at the bottom of the sea in Davey Jones locker.

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        • dawg says:

          There was a big explosion and fire on the southwest corner of the island in late 2018. Thats the corner where that weird temple thing was that most have suspected of being an elevator shaft.

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  29. thehawkeyehoneypot says:

    Those of us who have been following our lucky #17 friend will help you make sense of it all.

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  30. dallasdan says:

    The lack of readily available liquor, drugs, pornography, and daily conjugal visits with underage girls is probably giving him sufficient time to contemplate the enormity of the trouble he is in. The party is over.

    I support the massive and swift document drop. The more info that gets into the public domain asap should greatly complicate efforts to obfuscate, delay, and cover-up the heinous facts.

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    • dawg says:

      Multiple people have said, including the FBI after the raid, that he had a huge mural in his NYC place of himself standing in the middle of a prison yard. Apparently he said he had it commissioned because he always knew that he might go back to jail one day.

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  31. Crazy says:

    I read Alan Dershowitz name quite a few times pop up! Haven’t seen him on Fox news lately…oddly

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    • dawg says:

      I think that he is the one that got this started, albeit by accident.

      Virginia Roberts Giuthrie said Epstein pimped her out to Dershowitz and others, multiple times, Dershowitz called her a liar, she sued Dersh for defamation, and then DOJ says “oh s#!t, this is all gonna come out now, we gotta indict Epstein or we are screwed.”

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  32. MAGADJT says:

    Dershowitz on Ingraham tonight talking about his being accused by Boies in all this. Claims he has hard evidence to the contrary. He mentioned that they are accusing him, Hillary/Bill, Richard Branson and mentioned a few other names including DJT. Found it odd he threw DJT in there. Hope DJT doesn’t get pulled into this black hole.

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    • soozala says:

      One never knows…….there could be an “Ballsy-Ford” practicing her “nutty as hell” act right now…..I don’t put ANYTHING past these losers as the election draws near!!!

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    • We the people know says:

      Here’s Alan denying knowing anything…but Mr. Hotshot Harvard lawyer forgot he was sitting in front of a painting of a naked girl. Alan and his wife are quite the art collectors. The art market is another racket.

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    • dawg says:

      I had a feeling Richard Bransons name was gonna come up. Interesting.

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    • Mary Hysmith says:

      Trump did have an accuser back just before voting in 2016. She first filed in California, then disappeared. Then she refiled in New York and disappeared again. Highly unlikely she was legit. Bare in mind, there is money to be had in being a ‘victim’ of guys like Epstein, Trump, Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, etc. Be fair.

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  33. diogenes says:

    I wonder if Epstein is going to hang himself in his cell or “get shot trying to escape.”

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  34. Cheese says:

    A dollar to a doughnut he never makes it to trial. Even convicts have children. He’ll get cut into little pieces either by a pedophile hater or a paid assassin Of WJC

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  35. cdnintx says:

    Are their any lawyers on? Would Epstein be required to appear in person for this bail request yesterday? If yes, I find it interesting that there are no court reporters with sketches of him from the hearing or even a fleeting photograph of him arriving/leaving?

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    • cdnintx says:

      If Epstein really was a true “intelligence” asset then this whole thing could be a set up operation to take down Pres. Trump. Even Allen Dershowitz through out Pres. Trumps name on TV yesterday in conjunction with Epstein – almost like if I’m going down you’re going down too.

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      • cdnintx says:

        *threw

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      • dawg says:

        I dont think they have anything on Trump. Candidate Trump was calling out Bill Clinton as having a problem with “Epstein and his little island” in 2015. If Donald Trump had done anything wrong, I dont think he would have been bringing attention to that issue.

        I think this issue was forced to the forefront, and not on purpose. It was the victims filing suit that forced the DOJs hand.

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    • BitchyPants says:

      One sketch of Epstein was on Fox – Did Not Really Look Like Him
      I don’t think that is really him which is why they are keeping him in solitary
      And 3,2,1 here comes the Trump accuser…
      Count On It!

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  36. scrap1ron says:

    Is he off to Rikers or Club Med?

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  37. 1970novass396 says:

    Select one

    A-Epstein returned to the USA (to be arrested) because he had no fear of the coming events due to his assumed protection by Mossad.

    B-Epstein returned to the USA (to be arrested) because he had Major fear of being killed by the Mossad.

    C-Ham sandwich

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  38. Rob says:

    So why isn’t pedo island being raided for evidence? Is this how they will protect Clinton and others?

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  39. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    We’ll wake up to headlines that Epstein is murdered in his cell and the only evidence left at the scene is a MAGA cap.

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  40. Mike in a Truck says:

    Hear those footsteps Bill? Getting closer now.Epturd will sing like a little yellow canary cause at this point he has nothing to loose and is lookin at a looooong time in prison- with no little girls.

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  41. Brenrod says:

    I believe that everything will be done to keep Epstein incommunicado and unable to communicate the names of the swamp. It reminds me of what was done to Noriega by Bush. I expect his case will be full of reasons as to why information cannot be released because it is classified, etc. it is rumored that he was an informant for the FBI Mueller. It is likely that all the incriminating evidence he has on everybody will be kept under lock and key. I expect him to be murdered in jail as he is too dangerous for too many.

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  42. dawg says:

    I like how the judge started out with “No”, then proceeded to go on for 37 pages about “why not”.

    Made Epstein squirm and sweat for a while in misery after he knew he wasnt getting out.

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  43. Brenrod says:

    I believe there are very many people out there who would be very happy if Epstein was suddenly found dead. Their only concern would then be who has the evidence now, how to keep it quiet and how to destroy it.

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  44. dawg says:

    In that ruling, it says that 2 days after this article in the Miami Herald came out on November 28, 2018….

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

    ….that Epstein wired $100k to someone named as a potential co-conspirator.

    And 3 days after that, on December 3 2018, he wired $250,000 to another person named as a potential co-conspirator.

    A month later on January 4, 2019, is when the explosion and fire happens on the corner of his island where the underground lair is expected to be.

    https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/01/05/massive-fire-spotted-on-private-island-owned-by-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

    This article from March 4 of 2018 says he had been spending most of his time on his private island up to that time. (Which private island they were referring to is unclear, because he has two, but probably Little St. James.)

    https://www.jdjournal.com/2018/03/14/appeals-court-grants-stay-in-epstein-trial/#disqus_thread

    Not sure where he has mostly been from there until now, but probably destroying evidence ever since.

    I have to think he had to keep some dirt, in order to save himself, and maybe thats what they found in his NYC residence. I think its interesting reading the extraordinary lengths they were willing to go to get him released and kept on house arrest in that residence. $100 million, plus houses, planes, cars, etc…..installation of cameras, guards at the house, etc……

    Im sure there are a lot of people who wanted him released, and were willing to put up their own money so he could go destroy that evidence.

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    • dawg says:

      I guess my point is, he has probably been destroying evidence for at least a year and a half. But he has basically been a professional blackmailer, extorter(?) for decades. So one would think that he would have to have kept SOME for his own sake, for leverage.

      Another point,

      The FBI saying they found pics of nude minors in his NYC residence is a good sign. Now we know they exist.

      But now we need to press them to find out if there were other people in those pics with them and who they were, and when are you going to charge them?

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  45. Sunshine says:

    It’s better that way. He might get killed. I was reading he’s willing to divulge names.

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  46. Louisiana Tea Rose says:

    I would remind everyone that the charges and prosecution of this Epstein case have been generated by THE PUBLIC CORRUPTION UNIT….sex, yes, but the CORRUPTION means big players in high places….NO DOUBLE JEOPARDY, methinks…

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  47. dawg says:

    The arrest of Epstein came just days after the judge ordered 2000 pages unsealed in the Virginia Roberts Giuthrie defamation case.

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  48. dawg says:

    https://www.salon.com/2019/07/09/i-was-a-friend-of-jeffrey-epstein-heres-what-i-know/

    Apparently Epstein offered the “names of individuals who paid for sex with minors”.

    Thats the kicker, “individuals WHO PAID”. Bill Clinton, or any of the other high profile guys who he had down there or on the Lolita wouldnt have needed to pay, and Epstein wouldnt have asked them to. THEY were giving EPSTEIN something by simply committing the act. Power, leverage, etc…

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  49. Ned Zeppelin says:

    I think it is not out of the question that TPTB wanted to keep old Jeffy locked up tight pending negotiations among certain elites as to who Jeffy will get permission to squeal on in the coming days.

    As far as the length of the opinion, my observation is that the strongest arguments can be made with fewest number of words. After that, you are dealing with quantity not quality and no doubt there was a strong push to lock him up regardless of the legal niceties that would otherwise apply. Maybe it’s as easy as not wanting to be the judge who let Jeffy out.

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  50. clodfobble says:

    I suspect Epstein could easily put half congress and a lot of other elite politicians in prison if… and only if… the prosecutors wanted to. Sadly, I also suspect the deep state will NEVER allow that to happen.

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